Plateau

Last night, at around 7:00 PM, I spoke with Nightwing on the phone, and told him that I was going to flake out on going sargingLook up this term with him. The night before, Friday night, we went up to West Palm. We went to all the usual places where we go. It was not a bad night. I think that we each opened 5 or 6 setLook up this terms. Opening is no longer a problem. Even when the targetLook up this term flakes out or we decide to eject, there no longer is that feeling of rejection. It is just another trial and error experience; another opportunity to experience and learn. It is no longer about trying to get sex; it is no longer about conquest. It is all about social psychology, and learning more aboiut women, appreciating women, enjoying looking at their eyes without shyness or anxiety, enjoying the fact that their cognitive processes are so different that ours and yet they are so lovely. Yes, maybe Mystery only pursues HB10+s, but, I have begun to find beauty and pleasure in the conversations with the 8.5 who is a little plump, but has adorable freckles, and a high IQ. Maybe Mystery and his crew only go after models and actresses, and I admit that after I complete his workshop, for which Nightwolf and I have already registered and bought our plane tickets, I hope to be able to game such women. But, still, the pleasure of talking to a charming, conversationally adept, intelligent 8.0 with a pretty if over 40 year old face and body, is so delightful, that I am willing to forgo the twenty-something girls with their firmness to my wingman. Ross boasts that at his ripe old age of 40-something, he still gets 20 year olds. Who cares? Twenty year olds are easy. They are in that mode of exploring their sexuality. There is something delightful in more rare quarry. You know, the Anjelica Huston sort of a woman. Someone with grace. Of course, you there reading this might be thinking that this is a essay of sour grapes, explaining why I would delight in a woman at whom you would not make a second glance while finding excuses not to pursue the younger models. Well, this past week, I had llunch with a woman who might have been an HB9.0 20 years ago, and it was a truly delightful experience. Before I sarted to study the PULook up this term Arts, I do not think I would have had the inner game to ask her to go for lunch with me, to pursue her as a friend. I am writing this in April, and when I started on this adventure in January, I did not have the friends I have now, or the options in seeking the company of a variety of women that I have now. It took about four months of sargingLook up this term three nights almost every week and being encouraged and encouraging my wingLook up this term to get here. If PUALook up this term was ONLY about getting laid, then I would feel a terrible failure. In my opinion, PUALook up this term is about a way of thinking, behaving and living which is transformative and which promotes a sort of Epicruean setLook up this term of values. The lone wolf is rare, we, like most canids, except perhaps the coyote when forced, are communal, pack animals. Not only have I developed skills which i had already possessed for Pick Up, but, I have developed a circle of friends who share this (and other) interests. The thing which troubles me as I approach the workshop with Mystery and his crew, is that I feel as if I have reached a plateau. I open, neg, DHVLook up this term, tell a story or two, but in certain venues, I do quite well and other venues, I feel as if I am back in January where I had started. I had a discussion about this with Mr. Right. He and I agreed that we both do best in more quiet, lounge type venues, and that we don't do as well in the noisy club, which my main wingLook up this term prefers. I see the loud noisy club and its accompanying club game as the archetype for all other game, so I persist. The women in clubs bore me. I think they know it. The women at those professional networking events which are only nominally about professional networking, and more about single's netwokring aer so much more interesting, and intelligent. So, last night, I just felt tired. I did not want to go out and do the same thing until 2 or 3 AM. I wanted to figure out how to rise above the plateau where I feel stuck before going out again. I have seen Deangelo's latest videos. Many mPUALook up this terms talk about inner game and natural game and about the relavance of technique with a disdain which sometimes sounds like personal disdain for Mystery. Confidence comes from the experience of success. Success comes from trying and learning and observing one's improvement. It's like jazz, you need some basic talent, and consistent practice, and only then after intergrating and internalizing the scales and rules and theory can you then improvise. Imrpovisation without an understanding of music theory is mere discordant noise. Theory without heart is cold and stiff. I feel like I have found a plateau. After opening, I rely on a natural game which is not consistently effective for all venues. If I were merely looking for a girlfriend, I could achieve that goal already with what I know. If I was looking to add to the many notches I already have on my belt, I could call any one of a number of women and try to advance the seduction process. My goal really is to understand women, to develop the skills to be able to walk in to any venue and walk out with friends and #-closes which could develop into something more. Last night, though, I felt tired. Seduction, though, like jazz or painting or sales is ultimately a skill which can be learned. That is why I admire Mystery. He understands that it is not enough to just be skilled in the PULook up this term arts but one must also be able to teach, one must be able to operationalize the skills in order to understand and improve upon one's skills. There are mPUALook up this terms and naturals who are unable to teach and do not understand how they do what they do well. As much as I enjoy the company of a woman, looking at her face and having her look into mine, I enjoy the intellectual, theoretical discussion I have with my wingLook up this terms. We all delight in the image of a revealed woman's breast. When I was in my late 20's, I spent a two year period going to Wiccan gatherings and Rainbow gatherings. At those events, many women, imagining some continuity with the 1960's or an imagined, romantic paleolithic, would walk around in various states of disrobe. One particular summer, before I moved to Florida, I spent a summer in continual attendance of such gatherings and saw many, many breasts. I saw small pert, perky breasts and sagging, earth mother breasts and all sorts of breasts in between. After that summer, my sense of female beauty changed. The emaciated thin sort of model type no longer seemed as beautiful as women of fuller figure. Recently, I had a similar experience. After many openings, beautiful women have begun to feel as ordinary as ordinary women. They are just another face, and they must qualify to me. Whatever they think of their own beauty is not what is important anymore. Their own sense of their value no longer determines my sense of their value nor my sense of my own value. Soon, June will be here and Nightwolf and I will be going to Mystery's workshop. Nightwolf and I have often talked about what we hope to learn and how we will benefit from that weekend.

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D Money's picture
Sun, 04/25/2010 - 23:07

"Their own sense of their

"Their own sense of their value no longer determines my sense of their value nor my sense of my own value"

This is the key. This is the key to it all I believe, so eloquently summed up here. I agree with you that there is a certain joy in that easy interaction with the 8.5. I imagine from what I hear, that you do it quite well these days. I have been spending the last 4 long days in 12 hours of lecture for CEU's for work and doing my best to go sargingLook up this term at night. 3 hours of sleep here, 2 hours of sleep there. Nonetheless, after my hour commute home tonight I was exhausted. So, I went to Hooters for some Crab legs and cheap beers as an alternative to cooking dinner. I saddled up at the bar with a solidly instilled sense of confidence that I would not have rediscovered had events not transpired that lead me to venture out into the field on several excursions with Nightwolf and yourself. I sat there and talked with the waitresses and with little to no energy ran casual game. I threw some negs here, fucked up some other material there, played "the sensitive man of value" with another one, and finally this waitress that I was shooting a "compassionately disgusted" look at through the window from the outside bar, came out to open me. She was 20 years old, firm and flirtatious, and eager to jump through my hoops and qualify herself to me again and again. I kinoed her, IOIed, IODed and left knowing that I can get her number If I want when come back on another night. You are right Shaggy, the young ones are easy to game, and, there is a certain satisfaction to just being able to build attraction and control the frame with hot women. It is a hell of a lot better then sitting in the corner like most AFCLook up this term's pissed at the waitresses because you'll never have a chance at gaining her interest. We have traveled far in such a short time.

That being said, I hit a new point of inspiration this week. Where at the beginning of the week I was was still using 30% material in setLook up this term and 70% natural game. I am now using closer to 80 or 90% material and I am astonished at the results. You and I have a lot of great positive social qualities, so you can understand why it was difficult and painful for me to let go of the wonderful personality I have spent the past 3 and a half decades forging out of raw life experience. However, for the sake of deeper understanding of social science, I enthusiastically hope that you will check out some of this material (Lovedrop's"Mind of Mystery" audio) I have been listening to and try just running a stack of 5 different routines, one on top of the other. You would not have believed the stuff coming out of my mouth last night in WP. I hardly believed it myself but was seriously tickled to see how women responded to it (mostly negs, disqualifyers, roleplaying and "statements not questions" stacked forward in rapid succession with little or no pretense). Chicks love this stuff! They absolutely eat it up. Of course I am in a total calibration phase with it but that alone is enough if a reward right now to see how far off base I was on how to elevate my social and sexual status.

Last night we were out with some really great guys who are aware of, but not at all involved in pick up. One of them rolled in on N Dub opening a setLook up this term and was like "What the heck are you talking about?" N Dub graciously tried to explain to the guy that the ways which he thinks he should talk to women are totally wrong and that you can open by asking if it is "better to floss before or after brushing". The guy protested but then I said "I've never used that opener. Watch and let's see how it works." I was in a 3 setLook up this term immediately, just across the room but in clear sight of the group. The girls were instantly laughing and hugging me with the material I was running. When I tried to tell a story and they started to flake (a recent plague of a sticking point for me), I cut the thread right away and stacked forward. "You know what I'm gonna do with you?" I sat down and locked in. "I'm gonna dress you up like and angel in a sexy little skirt and stockings..." and to the other girl i said "and you, I'm gonna dress up like a devil in red latex with little horns and a tail. And then I'm gonna walk you guys around the club with me, one on each arm, and every time I have to decide on something, you guys are going to fight over who's decision I choose to obey." Thanks to Lovedrop for this one. I kept stacking forward with material until I left them saying "I have to get back to my friends, you guys better not hit me again when I see you later." Though all of our main venues were overflowing with HBLook up this term's last night, it was almost too crowded to effectively sargeLook up this term at this point so we ran a few setLook up this terms of street game and worked our usual warm up venue to end the night.

I hear you on the benefits of the directions that David D and some of the other guys are taking, almost more of a holistic approach to pickup. Pickup is a marathon, not a sprint. I think we all fall into pace realizing that the more time we take to integrate and master and have fun with each little piece of the puzzle, the more unshakable our game will inevitably grow to be. I am grateful to have connected with this crew here in South Florida and feel I am leaving all to soon to go it alone. I will just have to find some new recruits for those nights out in the exotic ports of South America. See you in the filed brother.
D$

ziggaza's picture
Wed, 05/05/2010 - 16:06

just a comment

- 'Their own sense of their value no longer determines my sense of their value nor my sense of my own value.' -
yeah i like this idea. actually i get a feeling that you are trying to convince yourself of something. i dont mean this negatively. i believe you are searching for an answer as to how to interpret your own findings on th PULook up this term or in general women.

Shaggy's picture
Wed, 05/05/2010 - 17:09

@ziggaza

Exactly! We are all trying to search for an answer, and the question is, How to understand women, and ourselves in relationship. What brings you here, hermano?

Influence's picture
Mon, 04/04/2011 - 11:56

Input

To Plateau. In my opinion I got the feeling that you are seeing the 10's as being more shallow type and therefore, not seeing much value you can gain for yourself from using your skills. Maybe its because your not trying to build much of any kind of relationship, or something? IDK and I don't know you, but this is merely based on what I have just read for the first time. However, I can defiantly see how you would like to talk to 8's or 8.5 and I think its because you and I have something in common. The thing that we may have in common is that perhaps you are seeing their goodness and innocents inside their personalities. Your not just seeing the materialistic point of view as to say "these 10's are spoiled brats that had it easy their entire lives and never had to work hard for anything" (feel me). Another, opinion I would like to share with you is about where you go out on your sargingLook up this term missions. I would suggest what I have recently learned to call day gaming. I suggest going to like a museum, or social events that are happening before night. There I bet (take in mine I am merely a RAFCLook up this term that over calculates everything) you will find more girls there that are interested into some good convoLook up this term and at least you know they wont be drinking as much. Hell now that I think of it you may even have better success there because your sargingLook up this term will come to those women perhaps as unexpected. Hope I was of any help in my advice. Please read over some of my reports. I have not been apart of this community long and my reports can explain that further. However, I am interested in the art as you call it 200% and can't wait to learn more and take on new challenges.