Then like pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey I? gonna walk towards the poll blindfolded
Twentysix Gets a FB
(Reposted from mASF with permission of the author. Thanks to Style for pointing this one out also.)
I laid a girl again ! However, I didn’t fucking blow my load again…and we fucked 3 times. Either condoms fucking suck ... I have mental anxiety and need to calm down ... or I’m a homo, like Gunwitch said.
Ok, I’ll start from the top.
Coffee
I was to meet her for coffee at 7:30 PM Thursday. I almost got there late. This is something I gotta work on ... clock management.
I walk in and HBSmallFry is sitting there reading. I see her from afar and notice that I have to drop her status from a 6.5 to a 6. I walk over and sit down.
I come back and we fluff a bit more…I’m throwing in a lot of cocky / funny, as she is. She likes to tease a lot, so I have to come back with stuff frequently. Good practice.
back…and yes, I was ending convos and seeing if she would restart, which she would.
Here’s some of the prepared shit I used during our coffee meet: ESP Game, The Cube, Cold Palm Reading. She was in to all of it. Especially the Palm Reading. However, during the palm reading, she would kinda get goofy and giggly, paying less attention, so I turned the palm reading from serious to comedy (thanks TD or whoever posted this idea):
Somehow we get in to a conversation about house work. She says that she hates doing house work. She says her house isn’t the cleanest. Says she likes to eat in bed and let crumbs fall everywhere. I set up a picture in her head and goof on her living environment. I tell her that she probably has giant dust bunnies the size of hay bushels in her apartment. That she has underwear hanging off the TV antenna. That she had crumb piles the size of mountains on both sides of her bed. I know this all isn’t funny, but she’s digging it.
It starts to snow like crazy outside. The Starbucks guy comes over and tells us we have to leave because the store is closed.
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move.) going…the word “tired” is never brought up again.
Her Place
I’m thinking this is gonna be good because we’ve been holding hands for the last while. And she’s laughing at everything I say.
I hook up her VCR to her TV and then I sit on the sofa. I got a pretty legit boner going on now. You know that kind of rock-hardness where you got the pre-cum dabbing your underoos !
She comes over and sits beside me. Then she says she wants the spot I’m in.
She sits right right beside me and she brings her blanket on the sofa. She puts it over herself, and as she does this I put it over me, too. So, we’re pressed side-to-side to each other (with a blanket.) I’m thinking: This fucking rocks big time ! I love this shit. Her hand was exposed, so I put my hand on hers. I know some of you might be like, “Jesus, this is juvenile fagotry.” Well, I don’t care…this is a new cool world for me…so please fuck off.
So, what was I saying…yes…her hand was exposed and I put my hand on top of hers. Note: Early in our convo at the coffee shop, she told me that she hates it when she watches movies with people and they talk to her throughout it. I agreed with her (even though this doesn’t bother me.) So, I thought, hmm…should I talk with her during this movie ? I tested and did…she didn’t care.
For the whole movie the kino progressed higher and higher. She was rubbing my arms with her fingernails. I was feeling her cold toes and goofing on her for having really cold toes, but having really, really warm legs…I said she wasn’t a normal human being…bullshit stuff. I was also rubbing her arms ! This is fun to do !
She then takes her legs out and stretches them out over me. Her dress gets hiked up to her vagina area. My hands are under the sheets, so I start rubbing her legs…I progress higher up and up the legs. I was very high ! And it was cool because one of her legs was pressed up against my juicy rock-hard cock ... she definitely felt the hardness. She was also putting her hand up the arm part of my short sleeve shirt. Basically, it was all systems go !
However, I didn’t kiss her throughout the whole movie. Why ? I guess I was chicken because of her comments from before…fuck, I know I could have from what was going on…lesson learned. On the other hand…this long lasting kino (and cocky / funny talk) throughout the movie turned both of us on more and more. I swear to God it was vital.
After the movie credits roll up I put my hand on her chin and turn her face to me and kiss her. She’s totally into it. Within 5 seconds she’s really into it. Like she’s really really being aggressive with the kissing. I’m thinking “This is soooo fucking cool !” It's on !
She starts lying down and I’m on top kissing her. I start kissing her neck. She’s moaning and shit. She gets up…
All right…so we get to her bed…it's on ! We continue to make-out all hardcore and shit. Oh yeah…it was fun…I am smiling writing this. Her dress is hiked up pretty high…I take off my belt. I make out with her a little more. I take off my pants…leaving my boxer brief undies on…mmm. I pull her dress off. We are there making out in our undies ! In our fucking undies, can you believe this, my mASF brothers !
So, I’m kissing her and feeling her boobies, ass and the whole shebang ! I was kissing her neck a lot and she was totally digging that.
Now, as you all know, I am just getting into this whole sex thing. Even kissing. She was biting my lips / tongue and shit…I was totally digging that. As funny as all this may seem, I am learning so much. So she’s feeling my rock hard schlong through my undies…I’m doing some vagina rub downs too. It’s all good ! We’re grinding and all that shit.
Now, she still has her bra on. I have no clue how to take off bras. So, I just didn’t bother to take it off. I just left it on and figured she’d eventually take it off, which later she did.
Side Note I plan to learn to take off bras soon. What I’m gonna do it take one of my mom’s bras and tie it around a poll or something, then like pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey I’m gonna walk towards the poll blindfolded, reach the bra and then try to undo it. A lot of you are probably goofing on me for writing that or you may not be taking me seriously, but I am dead serious. That is a legit way to learn…and you know it’ll work too.
Where was I ? Oh yeah, she takes off her bra. Then I take off my underwear. Then I take off her underwear. Then we’re totally like making out and shit…then I put on a condom. Then we fuck ! Like the last time…I fucked and fucked and fucked beyond belief…probably around 25 to 30 minutes straight. I was very hard and luscious. But like my first time ... again ... .I can’t spunk a load. I couldn’t fucking do it. I hate this shit ... seriously. I really want to blow it during sex.
I never knew I’d adore the tight grip I use for masturbating. I have to admit…masturbating is pretty cool because it’s tighter. However, I think I’m not blowing my load for the following reasons: 01. Condoms give me no sensation 02. I have these Sheik “Long Lasting” condoms (something I obviously don't need) 03. I have mental problems (nervousness, anxiety.)
So, she wants to stop because she’s getting sore…I’m cool with this because I’m having trouble orgasming. So, we just laid there for a while…we held each other. You know what ? I like just chilling out with a girl and lying there in bed with her holding each other. It’s fucking cool and relaxing. I really like this. I like sex too (or at least trying to blow my spunk) but chilling out and lying in bed like this is fun. I know your main question to me now: “26, why didn’t you masturbate with your penis after sex ?” I don’t know. I just didn’t.
You know what else I did ? I fingered her ! This was fun. The inside of a vagina feels really cool…not what I thought it would feel like. It feels very organized. I fingered her because I didn’t want to give her oral…she was willing to let me do it, but I was scared about disease. At this point (knowing her for one night) I feel this is a legit concern. What do you guys think ?
Then we had sex again. I had a shitty problem here. I couldn’t get as hard as I was before. Has anyone ever had this problem ? Like I was 70 per cent of the hardness I was from before. I literally had to jerk it a bit to get more aroused so I’d be hard enough.
So, I’m banging her right ? We’re going for about 8 to 10 minutes…then my penis gets softer…it comes out of the vagina and it’s not hard enough to go back in.
To carry on…again I got soft…I had to stop…this might have happened one more time, I can’t remember. Oh yeah, oral stuff…she starts giving me some oral pleasure…but not a full BJ…just some starter stuff. It was weird, it didn’t feel that great…like I saw her head near my penis and I’m thinking: Is she sucking it or is she not ? I couldn’t tell. But it was cool when my balls were licked. You fuckers are lucky I’m writing about all this shit. Feel free to jerk off.
So I sleep over…I only got like 2 hours sleep for the whole night. We were kinoing each other a lot. And it’s obviously hard to sleep in a foreign environment. I slept on a feather pillow or some shit and I got an eye infection the next day cause of it ... allergies. I had to go to the doctor…the whole deal. I have eye-drops now !
So, in the morning we’re fooling around and I finger her and then fuck her again. I had the same problem as before…I couldn’t get really hard, like I was 70 per cent. And putting on that condom…what a buzz kill…it’s like, yeah, I’m all-hard and shit and then I gotta put this thing on ? Sometimes it’s hard to get on and then the boner loses its power. Then I Westside Glazed her ! Then she gave me a Blumpkin ! Seriously here…so at this point I haven’t blown a load yet. So, I tell her I’m gonna finish myself off. I grab some lube and pound out a batch, while she sucked my balls. I shot a pretty wild load !
Ross: In my own experience, through observation, trial and error, I've found that women can be as idiosyncratic and individualistic as to what they respond to as any other human, and while some general traits and trends are good to be aware of, especially among certain age groups, it is always wiser to learn to observe and learn about the unique person in front of you. In other words, instead of relying on a theory that will cover all women, learn to scan, observe, and cleverly question the person in front of you. Oftentimes, when people generalize, it is used as a means to make up for a fundamental skill set that they don't even know they are missing.
MB: I could not agree more with this line of thinking. I always try to learn as much as I can about a female and look for “ins,” so to speak. I will either wait for her to make a comment regarding her sexual nature and then steer the conversation that way, or make a very light one myself and look to see how she reacts. If negative, I do not push but rather wait until later or reassess my approach.
Ross: I am 100% sure you have done this. I'm not so sure your explanation as to why it is working is correct. Is it because they are looking for someone to be critical of them and the criticism is what turns them on ? Or is it because you are suddenly taking away something they had been resisting and now, like most humans, male and female, they are suddenly afraid of missing out ? What if you could get them excited enough to want you, based on your knowing how they uniquely respond, so you wouldn't have to worry about her being “cold” in the first place ?
MB: I recently began articulating a lot more of what I want from women in a general sense, and virtually all women seek to meet the standard that you put forth. If you say you want a passionate woman, then that is what she will give you because you have elevated yourself to a high level by defining your needs and expectations. Women are truly masters of telling us what they want and hence I realized that by doing so, they challenge us to do the same.
Rio: Whenever a chick tells you her problems, she is really saying, “Wow, he'll put up with all my bullshit. He must be a desperate loser-man with no standards for women he hangs out with, and since he has nothing better to do, I'll take advantage of it and turn him into a friend !”
MB: Not always, but if he does not make his needs known, he will fall into whatever role she wants him to fall into, and it is usually the lowest denominator. To me, if you simply hope that a woman will give you what you want by virtue of being around her, you'd better hope again. If you do not make your needs known to her, she will assume you want nothing and give you what she assumes you want: nothing.
Ross: Or she simply has no emotional control, or what is even more twisted that you haven't considered is this: she considers her emotions and drama to be her most precious possessions, and that she is actually giving you a gift by sharing them with you ! I shit you not; here is where you find women with real issues. They really think, because they treasure their warped emotions and histrionics, that they bring these to you as a gift. This is a real layer of pathology, and women like this don't fear scaring you away, because they see nothing to be scared of in this. These are the histrionic drama queens that can make your life miserable.
I agree, however, that when a more emotionally stable girl tells you her problems, prior to fucking you, it's usually because she is not attracted to you and therefore is not scared of driving you away.
MB: I do not see that great connection between having a woman tell you her problems and her fucking you. Often after a high level session of disclosure and your understanding of her, will a woman feel more connected to you. In fact, in my experience women that have shared their problems with me I actually ended up fucking faster than ones that did not.
Rio: Every time a woman says “Why is it that all men want women for sex ... it is so bad,” or she says “I don't like sex,” she is really saying ... “Wow, I can't believe that you would even stay with me this long without even bothering to check me out as relationship material or for my sexual ability. I'm starting to wonder if I can get away doing this to attract other men in the future ? Am I really this hot ? Let me push the envelope by saying 'I don't like sex' or 'I was raped' or 'I hate men' or 'I've been fucked by 20 guys at once,' to see if this is too good to be true !"
MB: Wake up call. Women want sex as much as we do, but they need to feel a little more accepted than we do before they give it up. I do not see that the above female comments relate any negative attitude toward sex and fucking ... they simply try to elicit your response and attitude about sex so that they know where you stand. If a woman tells you she does not understand why men want sex so much and you tell her you want and love sex as well, and like a woman who is passionate and open and willing to do it at any time and enjoy herself, watch her change her attitude. Women tend to take the lowest common denominator approach with respect to sex to keep themselves from looking slutty and cheap until they know you accept their sexuality. Once they feel you do, they can feel free to open up to you. Often I tell a woman I would like to make love to her to have her say no right there and then, but she ends up inviting me over the same night where I end up fucking her anyway. Or if I do not fuck her that night, she will call me and say she needs me to come over and help her with something at the house, or she needs to come over for a massage when I end up fucking her anyway.
Ross: So your LTR had a strong belief about the motivations of others that was totally incorrect and caused her to draw the wrong conclusion. Maybe it is possible that women often don't trust their emotions, don't know what to do or say, and that this produces much of the behavior that guys insist must be deliberate and calculated “ball-busting” and “shit-testing.”
MB: The incident illustrates something that I feel is a breakthrough for us in our understanding of women. Often I felt very frustrated when women would make outrageous assumptions of what I wanted and was all about until I told her. One of my former girlfriends suspected I was a coke head because I fucked her for an hour straight and when I went to the bathroom after to take a piss, I had a sniffle in my nose when I came out. Another thought I was video taping us having sex because I told her about a friend of mine who video taped himself and a married woman having sex. Women tend to have a defined image of us in their heads, which is usually not a very high one, and it is up to us to let them know what we want and what we are all about so that they do not falsely and incorrectly presume and assume things that are not true. It is up to us to let her know what we are all about and what we want, even if it is just sex. But once they do know what we want, they begin to feel free and easy to offer us whatever it is that we seek.
Rio:Let's play devil's advocate for a minute and suppose that you are fed up with a particular chick because she is being cold, not acting interested, giving off “don't touch me” vibes, and is generally being lazy and not trying to impress you in the sexiness department. Hopefully by now, you would have pointed out that friendly, sexy chicks are your type. Since you have created the frame, you can play it out to the end: “Well, it seems that you really aren't the sort of woman I'm looking for in a relationship. Goodbye. I suppose I'll never see you again then.”
What does this achieve ? Well, firstly, if she's just going to be a lazy bee-yatch ... good riddance. But also note that a woman (unless she is a player herself) is not going to throw away a decent relationship when presented with a freebie right under her nose ! The male equivalent of rejecting this would be turning down an offer of sex from a sexy chick ! She's not likely to be comfortable with losing you permanently and flake on you unless she has other better guys in the wings as back-up ... and if that's the case ... good riddance anyway !
MB: Good approach, but I would tell her I do not approve of her behavior, and then suggest what I want from her (and women in general) and if she does not or cannot fit into my mold, then time to part ways. As well, I have never found that being open about being with and having lots of women is detrimental to your success with any one woman. In fact, I have seen that women who know that you have and are successful with other women will strive to win and keep your affections even harder just to beat out the competition. In fact, I have seen hard-to-get women soften up and come around after knowing that you could potentially be talking to or scoping out another woman or women.
Rio: In conclusion: set the frame for your interaction with her. It makes all those other techniques we talk about all the more powerful, focused, and controlled.
MB: True, true, true, and the more specific the better.
Rio: Remember, the game for women is to see how much they can suck from guys and get away with it.
MB: Not all of them. Many women have a sense of fairness that I have seen, but you have to be open with them about the frame you want. Otherwise, you are fair game to be sucked into oblivion.
Rio: About romance ... my slick factor increased when I viewed her as LTR material. I read once from David Shade that women find it romantic when they have to try and win a man's heart, and that is what they find romantic ... when they finally win the heart of a man who doesn't give a shit about them !
MB: Here I have to say a flat out no. It is perverse to assume that anyone would want to be with another person that does not care about them. Women that try to win a man's heart are ones what are aware of what he wants from life, women, and relationships. Women that know this try to meet his standard and be accepted by him, and the only way she will know what you want is when you tell her. But you do not have to give a shit about them when in fact it can be quite counter productive.
If a woman tells me she waits months to sleep with a guy I tell her I am looking for a woman who does not have hang ups and feels comfortable with her body and herself, and does not fall into the generally expected mold of society. This often is enough to accelerate the process.
This is a story of what good looks can do.
On New Year's Eve, I was invited by a friend of mine to spend this great night with him and his friends at his girlfriend's house. I went to this party with the attitude of not being the Alpha Male. Why ? Because a couple of days before I went shopping with this friend of his and I played the A.M. role, and because of this, his girlfriend (he is a total AFC) started to flirt with me. I was feeling kinda guilty because I didn't want to steal his girlfriend. They were having a relationship for more than 2.5 years and I was thinking like “What the fuck am I doing ? He invites me to the party and I will steal his girlfriend ? !”
As I was saying ... I went to this party with the attitude of not being an A.M. There were 3 girls (7.5-8), his girlfriend (9) and a girl (10) who appeared in a video clip here in Romania. I was into a little shy state of mind and I began talking to one of the 7.5. I was very well dressed, I'm also good looking and have some very beautiful eyes. Also, I have to mention that I have a girlfriend who had to go on New Year's Eve trip with her parents to Austria, so I wasn't interested in picking up a new girl.
So ... I began to talk to this girl, we smoked a little, I drank a Martini and she suddenly says : “Let's dance !” “Ok,” I say. We dance a little and she begins to tell me that I'm very handsome, that she hasn't seen in a long time such a handsome guy, and that she never saw such beautiful eyes.
We go into the kitchen and start talking. Fluff talk for a while then:
, but before I get into something like this I must know the person well, so before I would have something like this with you I would have to spend with you about 3 months and after that I'd decide if I want you for LTR or not. Fluff talk fluff talk fluff talk.(Reposted from Mystery's Lounge with permission of the author.)
Happy Screw Year to everyone. I just got myself back to Japan and did some PU on the flight. No real success, unfortunately, because I ended up screening a chick who was pretty satisfied with her boyfriend ... which is when I made several more discoveries of note. Plus, I still have to answer the questions from the best Cocky & Funny frame.
First of all, one thing that you will notice when you set the frame of screening for a woman, is that they are going to try to make an effort to attract you. That is, they will tell you what they think you want to hear. If you are screening them for possible relationship material (which is what I am suggesting) they are basically going to tell you a whole pile of shit.
They will try and convince you that they will be a good woman, and that they are kind, and that they are trustworthy, and that they will not lie (cough cough) and will not cheat (bleaughh !) and this is what you want to get them to do ... because it sets up a frame of consistency for them.
Now, they have the fear of losing you by fucking it up. You force them to invest a fair bit of effort into attracting you by making all this shit up. They are going to try to get a return on their investment now, by sticking to all those things they said they were. Women think that they can get away with seducing / manipulating guys in this way (if this is what your particular target is doing) but all of us being astute PUAs know that we are going to call them on their shit ... eventually ... and we are going to screen them doubly hard when we think that what they say is too good to be true.
Rio's screening rule: If she seems too good to be true ... she probably is.
Eventually, however, when you advance the seduction, you are going to notice a few things which don't fit the bill. She will get busted on her shit if she is lying. She will also get busted when she says things which we don't like either.
Screening Point #1: If you set the “screen for relationship” frame, and she fails to mention the boyfriend until later (when she tries to heap you with problems) ... she is trying to lead you on.
You don't need to ask a chick whether she has a BF or not (it's bad, as we all know.) Rather, if you set the Cocky & Funny frame, then she should mention it earlier on ... because if she plays along and mentions it later, mentioning all her problems ... then she is beginning to lead you on and then it's time to call her on her shit.
Screening Point #2: If she already has a boyfriend, you can downgrade her status to fuck buddy.
Originally, I thought that if a chick says “I have a boyfriend,” it's more of an alarm that says “Go away, I don't want you.” But now I see that this is not the case. What she's really trying to say when she already has a boyfriend is “I have invested a lot of time and energy in trying to turn one guy into a marriage partner ... so I'm not likely to get any return on my investment if I have a relationship with you, right now. I don't think you are worth the risk ... unless you convince me otherwise”
Now, it makes a lot more sense that rather than trying to destroy the boyfriend, you start screening her for a different set of features ... such as “Have you ever cheated on your boyfriend ?” and “Have you ever made love spontaneously outdoors ?” “Have you ever had sex with a guy you have just met in a few hours ?” “Have you ever had a one night stand ?” This is when you can amp the sexual questions ... because now she has failed her LTR ... and since you have already forced her to try to seduce you with her bullshit, she has fallen into the good-girl consistency frame.
Now, she can see her relationship with you (which was only about 20 minutes long) fall to pieces. Of course, if she doesn't even want to play this game ... then do yourself a favor and politely excuse yourself, and present yourself to the next woman you see. This will cause your original target to throw a fit at this point.
What happened in my screening exercise on the plane, was that the chick told me a whole pile of bullshit about how nice, kind, etc. she was ... and later on, as I was amping the tension, she spews out the boyfriend issue which she should have mentioned earlier (I busted her on it.) Also, I busted her on a few other things which I didn't like either. For example, she said that if she loses her job, then she will consider getting married, and I said “Because you only like men for their money ?” and that got her on the backfoot. Then she said that she can't cook, and I said that she'd better learn because that's an important skill to have. She also told me that she doesn't get angry, either (that's not what happened when I politely excused myself on her and talked to the next chick !)
Eventually, she tried the old “Heap boyfriend problems on the PUA,” and that's when I got really shitty. I asked her when she was getting married, and she didn't care that she wasn't (good sign for BF, she liked him because of sex probably.) I asked her about the boyfriend anyway, and she said that he was kinda selfish and nasty, never called her, etc ... so I said that I would be exactly the same with her, because she had a shit-load of faults as well ... and I could understand why the guy teased her so much, but I couldn't understand why he could put up with her, because I surely couldn't ! (Now that's how to destroy the boyfriend !)
That's when I degraded her status to ONS ... but she wouldn't play ball, so I politely excused myself and talked to the next chick, and that's when she got shitty. So much for not getting angry ! Just as well I found that out !
When I look back to some of Svengali's stuff, he often found that he'd bust chicks when they lied to him ... and they'd get all shitty when he caught them out and blew them off. That's how the game is played anyway ... because he was looking for women he could trust.
Screening a chick for LTR sounds counterproductive to a lot of guys ... granted. This indeed is my thought on it too ... but just like sex attracts men, women think that talking about sex to men is counter productive. Similarly, talking about relationships with women gets them excited.
I'm basically interested in putting the idea in their heads that there is a LTR waiting for them IF they are everything I want them to be (and that includes adventurous, sexy, wanting to play with me). I make various comments during the sarge that lightly hint at them that I am asking these questions to see how we would go together as a couple.
E.g. “Do you like skiing ? You do ? I think we should go skiing some time, just the two of us.”
Note how I slipped that image in ? This makes the sarge very enjoyable, because it is romantic to the chick (future pacing possible relationship.) It makes your seduction get really smooth and slick, which I like a lot.
One thing that I do like about this method is that the PU actually becomes really simple and enjoyable ... because the chick tries to seduce me for a change, and that is the real joy of it. I don't have to use any gimmicks, or run any pre-made patterns or routines. The screening C&F frame is the routine. Sure, 50% of what she says back to me is shit, but she works to my fantasy, and saves me a lot of effort. Once I snag her curiosity enough ... then she's asking the questions to keep the conversation going ... not me ! She's also taking a lot of care into answering my questions ... in case she fucks it up.
Also, I often find out very quickly what the chick's game is going to be. Eventually I end up screening her for sexuality, in a non-threatening way ... and that is usually when I completely blow the woman's cover of trying to lead me on (if there was one to begin with !) Now that she's subscribed to your idea of being together ... she has to consider the consequences (i.e. sex) and this is when things can get ugly because if she was bullshitting to you up until now ... she's going to get her shit called on hard and she's going to make herself look pretty stupid.
But do you want to know the best part about all of it if she gets her shit called on ? She believes that it's totally her fault ! Done properly, if she has issues with the sex part, it's going to seem to her that her seduction of you has fucked up. She will then proceed to blame herself that her seduction skills aren't up to par ! (Better her than us, hey ?) That's when she gets angry at herself and disappointed that she cannot attract you, without putting out ... but since you haven't spelled out your desire for her, she cannot blow the whistle on you. Couple that with the fact that you've already ejected and are now running the same routine on another chick right in front of her, and now she's really jealous ! You came across to her as a decent guy looking for a partner ... so nobody suspects that you are a jerk in disguise ! Everyone thinks that you're a decent upstanding guy.
It's one thing to reject a meat-market man, but to be rejected by an otherwise nice guy (hint hint !) who showed genuine interest, offered her something great, and who left and didn't get all upset when he didn't get his way ... for some reason really pisses women off ! Take the male equivalent ... would you more likely be pissed off by a rejection from a hot chick who offered you sex ... or by a ugly feminazi who wants to beat you up ? The hot chick, right ?
A woman's values ... I never bother to elicit these anymore. What I do instead is ask her what women want from a relationship, and she usually tells me what she wants in a relationship. That gives me a point to screen from, and then I can check them off and agree with the bits I like (using pattern language, trust, communication, beams of light connecting two people, etc.) and tease her on the bits I don't. For example, the chick on the plane told me that she calls her boyfriend all the time and it pisses him off. I told her that I had a girlfriend who did this all the time to me and it really pissed me off as well, and if she was going to do that with me ... I wouldn't like it either, unless it was a booty call.
If you note my little field report, you will notice that I usurped all the characteristics of her boyfriend. So if she said he was an asshole, then I would say that I am one too, and I would not put up with her shit either, just like him (note how I am replacing the boyfriend in her mind ?) That way, I don't fall into the chick-sympathy trap. I am screening her for viability now, so she and all her shit can take a hike if she wants to get on the train. It was at about this point that she was getting pissed off and trying to get some power back for herself ... and that's when I dumped her as possible LTR status ... and moved on.
S Commented: By reading your recent posts a few times, I guess that the basis of your technique is to make her answer questions about her in relationship (that is the relationship frame.) To her it will seem like she is seducing you. Frame change: you go into sexual screening questions which she will likely answer since she was seducing you before. Then it seems to her that she was seducing you in a more sexual way. After that you will have a big value since she made an effort to convince you. Is this your main way of building your value: that you are man enough to ask them questions about themselves ?
Rio: That's pretty much it in a nutshell. I make a point of building her curiosity and giving her values that women really want (I don't need to elicit these ... a good rule I learned was : “Don't listen to what she says she wants ... listen to what you KNOW she wants.”) Of course, women want relationships and friendships ... so I set this up for her ... the chance of having a deep friendship that lasts for ages ... and is sexual ... if she is everything I'm looking for.
Side Note: Just something that most guys are completely unaware of ... even when you are only trying to be friends with women, they will assume that you have screened them and accepted them for a sexless relationship ! This is a huge win for a woman in her mind ... they will talk to their friends how they managed to snag you without even trying or needing to put out ! Then you will hear from her about how most men want women for sex, and how that is bad, but they are so happy they met you, because you don't make the same demands for your friendship / relationship.
This is why you should screen every woman you meet for a sexual relationship, and be prepared to walk on any woman who doesn't agree to it ! Why have lots of non-sexual relationships with many female friends, when you can have lots of sexual relationships with many female friends ?
You see, any female friend of yours (fucking you or not) is a girlfriend. The women see it that way, because they have a relationship with you. So then, how many girlfriends do you have ?
Side Note 2: There are women out there who think like whores. That is, they only give sex away when they feel they have sucked enough money, time and attention from a man. This is their strategy. Thing is, when they get enough time, money, and attention from a sucker AFC , they don't feel the need to repay the man in any way. Why change the strategy if she can get it all for free ? (I think we all know this.)
But what happens when you actually manage to fuck a woman who thinks this way ? I'll tell you ... the sex is shitty. She doesn't enjoy it because she uses sex as a tool to get what she wants. She feels as if she's doing it to keep the guy only and not for her own enjoyment ... thus she doesn't enjoy it, and then I don't enjoy her “performance.” She is a woman you cannot trust because she is openly manipulating people to get what she wants. This is something you should pick up on with your screening immediately. This is also why Svengali made a point of only sexing women who wanted to have sex with him, rather than women who would only “allow” him to have sex (Big difference !) So if you meet these nasty women, you “hit them where it hurts.” And that is by dangling the freebie relationship in front of her ... and then calling her on her shit and walking on her if she turns out to be a tease. Because if she is a tease, the sex is guaranteed to be shitty even if you do twist her arm into it. That's why you shouldn't even try to manipulate women.
(Also note, that I am not being false by putting a relationship on the table. I want the relationship too. Simply speaking, though, if she is good at sex (which I hint at in screening) then I am going to want to keep fucking her over and over again, for a long, drawn out relationship !)
Do you guys remember the movie The Breakfast Club ? There was one scene in there where they are talking about the prom-queen bitch princess and someone says something to the tune of “If you don't have sex, you're a prude. If you do have sex, you're a slut. It's a trap your friends set for you. So what do you become ? A tease.”
The method I am using doesn't work all the time to seduce all women. No method can turn all women into sex monsters. What it is good at doing, is weeding out the shit from the great chicks ... and when you blow off a shitty woman, she sure feels that she's made a big mistake that she'll be hard pressed to fix.
Side Note 3: There is also one other type of woman whom you will not be able to seduce through relationship screening. And they are the ones who detest the fact that you are screening them at all ... and they will probably walk on you. They look very uncomfortable talking to you. Thing is, you can do without this kind of woman too ... because she is basically expecting you to like her no matter what ! In other words, she is desperate ... and it would help for us to wonder why a woman would need to be desperate for a relationship in the first place ! (In which case you screen her for ONS.)
Actually, when I think about it, what I am using seems very similar in format to the original Maniac Plan. Starts out pretty simply, and then turns into an open discussion of sex.
Yes ... it does make her think that she is looking at you sexually. You are basically telling her what to think about herself, because you are guessing at her personality. You see something about her that makes you more interested in her ... E.g. “You seem like a passionate person.” Then what she will do is see how “passionate” relates to herself (women being the self-referential creatures they are) and then tell you things about herself that fit this concept. She believes immediately that you are correct in your guessing, because you just met her and first impressions count for a lot. So then accepting this suggestion of yours this in mind, she rationalizes it into her being, just for you !
This is also a reason why I field all my first impressions about the chick straight away. It is a brilliant tool for eliciting things about her for screening, and makes for great conversation and some wonderful compliments, all of which eventually lead to rapport. It makes getting to know someone very, very easy. I don't know if it is mainly to ask questions about themselves.
What if she starts screening me ? Well, I don't play her game. I analyze things about her questions, and whether I think they are valid questions to ask me in terms of a sexual relationship. Things like “What's your star sign ?” are not very important, and personally, I don't like having my palms read and having the cube run on me. She is then liable to interpret whatever she wants about me then ... and it won't be what I want to hear ! Similarly, I don't use the cube either ... as I am a fan of cold reading style, making intelligent guesses as to what her personality may be like so I can screen them. After all, gimmicks are really conversational crutches, and what happens when you meet a chick that thinks that the cube and palm reading is bullshit, just like you ? Then you look pretty stupid.
If she asks me things like “Are you a player ?” then I will probably tell her to piss off, because that's a rude thing to ask. I will do that because I am screening her, and not the other way around ! If she is going to go through a relationship with me and be insecure all the time that I am fucking some other chick, then she has failed screening ... and then she gets screened for ONS , and if she fails that ... goodbye !
When she asks questions of me, I answer honestly. It really depends what the question is, but if I think the question is really misguided, comes from an insecurity of hers, or I think that she is trying to screen me in a overly critical fashion ... she gets her shit called on. I don't want a chick who screens me overly critically.
I want her to accept me as I am.
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