2009/01/28

It's Basing Seduction on Your Life

You might think you want to have sex with her, but you're wrong. You might think you're in the game to seduce women, but you're not. That's right ... you have ulterior motives. You just have to find out what they are. If your girlfriend is psychic, you'd better make sure you're thinking about sex at all times. Also, two universal truths of inner game. Seduction based on your life.

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Index To This Edition of Cliff's List
Events
- Vince Kelvin: Live Training
- Evolved Man: Dating Without Limits

Freebies
- Steve P: White Tiger Tantra Healing Session
- AFCLook up this term Adam: Top Ten Dating Tips

Articles & Content
- Hoobie: Why Are You in the Game ?
- Prince Charming: Psychic Seduction. Dialing Subcommunication and Inner Game.
- Dennis: Two Universal Truths of Inner Game
- Review: The Venusian Arts Handbook by Mystery

A Few New Promos
- Check out new promos from Hoobie, The Automatic Natural, Hamilton Miller, Carlos Xuma, and others !

Events
Vince Kelvin:
Feb. 7-8 is the Advanced Attraction and Arousal Boot Camp in L.A. ! Limited to 6 participants only ! 2 entire days of both seminar and in field training ! Accelerate your game to astonishing levels ! Only 2 spots left for just $499 (Instead of $899.) www.cliffslist.com/link/bc
Toll Free 1-866-96-HYPNO (49766) Direct (323) 309-3219 email: vince@SeductionCoaching.com

Evolved Man:
Experience the four-hour introduction to the only “other-than-pick up” method in the world, the Mixed Dating Arts. MDA is a structured blending of multiple approaches and tools for rapidly connecting with women, derived from over 16 years of process development in what works with women. With MDA, you will accomplish more with less time and energy, and without falling backwards into “conventional dating” practices. “Dating Without Limits” is not a boot camp. “Dating Without Limits” will show you how to become your own dating coach for rapid results with women. Create social worlds you control and learn the science of sexship; learn a clear pathway to “no flake” numbers closes (and why MDA has no “closes,” but something better); learn the structure of first meeting lays; attain a deep and powerful understanding of the female mind and social experience; develop a simple and powerful lifestyle plan; explore your “GuyStyle,” the one thing that both attracts and turns off women; see Mixed Dating Arts Four Dating Environments and Four Sources of Women; see a full social matrix beyond inner and outer game that pick up gurus missed; learn a new natural conversation model. Date: Saturday January 31, 2009 Results investment: $59.95 Visit mixeddatingarts.com/ or email Evolutionaryman@juno.com for more information.

Freebies
Steve P:
Steve P recently gave a White Tiger Tantra Healing Session in Las Vegas, which you can read about here: awakeningfromthedream.blogspot.com/2009/01/sexual-healing-steve-piccus-and-white.html

AFCLook up this term Adam:
I've spent some time working on some dating videos for a newspaper in the UK recently, trying to give some generic tips to people who're struggling with their dating lives. The first of the videos has just been released on Youtube today. It features a simple setLook up this term of 10 basic dating tips. If you get the time to check it out and leave a supporting comment, I'd appreciate it ! ca.youtube.com/watch?v=IR25MXK1ir8

Articles & Content Begins Here
Hoobie (www.skillsofthegame.com/):
Why Are You in the Game ?

At first glance, it seems like a simple enough question, but it’s something that deserves a moment of consideration.

Personally, one of my most critical turning points was one evening 10 months into my first year of discovering “game.”

It was a cold 4 AM on a foggy Saturday night in the city. There was a scattering of freshly established couples, until recently absolute strangers, canoodling on the street as they made their way to the nearest taxi rank. Amongst them were packs of girls walking hurriedly along with their hands clasping the hems of their miniskirts, pulling them down in a vain effort to display some sort of modesty as they made their way past the flocks of half drunk guys lining the footpath, all of whom were foolishly hooting in a loud last ditch effort to create some sort of connection with the opposite sex before going home … defeated.

And there I was, waiting for a kebab in a 24-hour Middle Eastern restaurant with Phil, a visiting out of town pick up artist who was one of my early mentors.

It had been a particularly grueling night. I had approached at least a couple dozen setLook up this terms but I had blown out within 10 minutes with each one. I was tired, my eyes felt sunken and bloodshot, my skin was pasty. But until a second ago, I was quietly feeling quite chuffed with myself. Here was a guy I was so damned excited about seeing again. The last time we had hung out, I had only just discovered the thrilling world of pick up, and his last memory of me was as a shy withdrawn computer gaming nerd who had to be pushed hard before uttering the slightest peep.

Now, nearly 9 months later, tonight was my big chance to show him how good I’d gotten. Without the slightest hint of hesitation, I was now an approach machine. I had secret hypnosis tactics and techniques packed to the gills, my coin snatch trick was surpassed by none, I could NLPLook up this term pattern the shit out of any girl the moment I saw a lapse in her critical defenses. I was animated and funny, high fiving my way through a small repertoire of jokes.

But now I was suddenly disheartened. The glory had vanished like a slap in the face when Phil asked the question:

“So, how many girls have you fucked since I last saw you ?”

I was stunned. Sure, it had popped up before, but this time it just struck me like it never quite had. I had always brushed it off as something forthcoming, like the sex was going to be an inevitable conclusion to the interactions as long as I kept at it. But the way he asked, given that I had spent the better part of the year pretty much following the same routine stack, Phil’s casually posed question seemed to point out the big fat elephant in the room.

Despite the hundreds of approaches, the obsessive memorization and rehearsing, the dozens of pick up and seduction DVDs, eBooks and CDs I was pouring my precious free time and hard earned money into …

The answer to Phil’s question was zero. A big fat fucking zero !

My first wave of thoughts turned to the reservoir of self-doubt and insecurities that were threatening to burst forth. With downcast eyes, I revealed a few of them to my mentor.

Was I too short ? Too chubby ? Too ethnic ?

One by one, he shot them down and buried them with counter examples using people we knew. It was an exercise I’d done before, but at that stage, the process of eradicating self-limiting beliefs hadn’t yet been completed.

He then asked me the next critical question, the one that has stayed with me since.

“What are you in the game for ?”

My first reaction was to blurt out the nominal answer, which was simply “to bang hot chicks.”

Phil chuckled at this, and looked at me again squarely in the eyes.

“Is that all ? Are you sure that’s it ? To bang a hot chick, all you need is a couple hundred bucks and a drive to the closest high-end massage parlor. You can bang a hot little French girl putting herself through university and save yourself 9 months of cramming, rehearsing, heartache and humiliation. Now think about it honestly. Why are you in the game ?”

I was stunned and a little confused. It took me a minute before I understood the implications of what he was saying. But then it was as if something snapped, and the answers came flooding through …

It is an interesting exercise to explore the deeper psychology behind the reasons we do what we do. These days, whenever I ask my students the same question of why they are in the “game,” their answers are all surprisingly similar, given a little scratching beneath the surface.

“I’m afraid of being lonely.”

“I want to feel validation as a man.”

“I want attention from the pretty, popular girls who ignored me in high school.”

“I want to impress my friends, who all have girlfriends except me.”

“I was hurt by a girl, and I just want to prove to her and to everyone else that I can find someone better.”

“I want to find a girlfriend, possibly my future wife … the mother of my children.”

Very often, the answer isn’t just to “bang a hot chick,” even though that’s often the first thing that comes to mind, and the first thing guys will exclaim.

The problem is, given the various deeper motivations guys have, they go out and unconsciously game accordingly. Even though they’ll insist to others, and to themselves, that they’re going out to get laid and to “bang a hot chick.”

For example, a guy whose deepest desire is simply to impress his friends will go out and run a flashy setLook up this term, but once his friends stop paying attention, he will start to flounder in his direction and fail to seal the deal with the girl.

A guy who just wants validation and attention from women will pretty much do the same. He loses a significant incentive to push the interaction towards sex once the girl indicates that she likes him. In these cases, a make-out in the club is deemed as “enough.”

A guy who just wants a “girlfriend, wife … future mother of my children” will fail to follow up with a stunning hot club chick even though she’s gagging for it, because he unconsciously notices her character flaws.

This is fine and dandy if it makes you happy, but my point in all this is that despite all of our deeper motivations, to be a real pick up artist, you need to be aware of these and overcome them if you do want sex … and to bang lots and lots of hot chicks.

Through the years, I’ve watched, read, and listened to about ninety percent of game related DVDs, eBooks and CDs out there. They’ve all added some piece of the puzzle to the understanding of game (some more than others, of course.) But most of them really just talk about the initial part of the seduction process (with only a couple of exceptions.) The sex and the “close” is so detached and abstracted. It’s almost an afterthought.

For all the shit that we put ourselves through in studying the art of seduction, it needs to be related back to getting the girl naked in your bed. To have the image of her panting and wet, stroking your rigid member from the moment you begin the interaction. You need to use this image to push your interaction with her to the very end, however it may turn out.

If you are serious about developing the part of yourself that is a true pick up artist rather than a guy just dabbling in dating information, you need to get serious about getting laid. Having hardcore penetrative sex, and seeing how the information relates to the entire interaction – from approaching, opening the setLook up this term, and running the routines to the glorious High Definition full color climax. Begin with the end in mind, my friends !


Prince Charming:
Psychic Seduction. Dialing Subcommunication and Inner Game.

Try this. From open to post coital cuddle, pretend that the girl is psychic and can hear every word that you say in your head.

You can view this as a game to habituate your internal dialogue, both consciously and unconsciously. First to make light of all useless thoughts, and then to banish them, leaving only pure sex.

When I am out of state, I’m usually thinking of random shit, like what to do next, or worrying about not taking action when I should be.

When I’m on, I find that when I look in a girl's eyes, my mind loops thoughts of pure love: how much I love this girl in front of me, both as a person and as a woman. How I love her laugh, or her lips, or eyes. How we are floating in our own golden bubble of love and our hearts are connected by a golden cord of light.

Ownership / dominance: thoughts of how she is mine, and how I’m going to protect her. How I own her in this moment. How she will submit to me, and in doing so, can release herself.

Sex: I see all the nasty things we are going to do to each other's bodies as soon as we are alone. How she is going to beg to be my dirty little cum slut.

Nothing else !

It’s pure, nasty, dominant love. That shit shines from my eyes, beams from my smile, and glows from my skin. It charges my touch. She can relax into this. She knows what I am thinking, but I like to whisper it in her ear anyway just to tease her and to give her value, and make her want it even more.

Anyway, I am going to work on this frame of viewing everyone as being able to hear my internal dialogue to train my to internal congruence, steady state, and laser focus.


Dennis (www.win-with-womenblog.com):
Two Universal Truths of Inner Game

I was just talking to my best friend Giant yesterday (I always call him that because he’s as big as a basketball player – and actually does play basketball professionally.) Now this guy has learned the game of meeting and dating naturally to the point of us two walking down the street and him having met yet another woman … while I’m still figuring out where the f*ck he went ! He’s been my mentor ever since the first time he did that to me, and I owe him a lot.

Anyways, we were ranting on and on about inner game – the right state of mind you need to have to meet and date women, your way of thinking, your beliefs and values, your perception and stuff.

Because for a natural, someone who’s naturally good at meeting and dating women, most of what he does is so ingrained, so carved into his very blueprint that he (or she) hardly realizes that he’s doing it or thinking it.

I can still remember two key insights of thinking we stumbled on that helped us out big time unconsciously. Two universal truths of inner game, if you will, and I’d like to share them with you, just to see if others will benefit from them as much as we have.

The universe is a reflection of you

If you approach the world filled with anger towards women out of frustration and negativity about your being and your abilities, it will radiate out into the world, which will then give it back to you. And then you feel justified for having even more negative thoughts, which is a downward spiral into depression, or worse. To clarify: if you’re friendly to a stranger, you smile at them and are generally positive … what happens ? You’ll have a new friend who will smile at you, who is friendly to you, etc. All things in the universe respond in similar fashion.

If the universe is you, stop blaming the universe for things, and instead look for solutions ! Instead of complaining about how the universe always gives you rain and fucks up your perfectly dry clothes, look for ways (solutions) to keep yourself as dry as possible: an umbrella. The bigger picture: take responsibility for everything, absolutely everything … because responsibility is control, and control is power, which is good. It gives you way more control over the outcome of events.

If you are the universe, you setLook up this term the boundaries … meaning you define how far you can go, and how and what you can do. In other words: you define your limiting beliefs yourself, which is why every time you want to say it's impossible, I’m too (young / old / inexperienced / scared / ugly / fat / short / skinny) and say no to yourself, instead you say yes: all is possible, all is doable, and all is desirable. Anything the mind can conceive, it can believe and achieve, my friend. Killing your limiting beliefs is the biggest part of inner game. Because believing you can’t do something is different from physically not being able to do it. Even crippled people get women, so that’s no excuse, either !

So start living without holding back. Boundaries … uh, do they exist, then ? Be open to all opportunities, and you’ll find you will double the fun (and the amounts) of meeting and dating women. If you make a mistake out of enthusiasm, smile, because you still need to learn the skill, but you are taking action. And one more thing: problems can always be fixed, as long as you look for solutions without dwelling on all kinds of negative emotions. They won’t help you fix things, so focus on what does.

Everything is game, but the game isn’t everything

You can use every object, person, thought and observation in this universe to your advantage, and to get ahead in life. This means you can be picky and challenging. You can tease your boss to get promoted, you can be kind to a little girl and seduce her mom / bigger sister / etc. because of it, you can befriend other men and women that have game and learn from them … or get introduced to cute ones through them. You can also use teddy bears, roses, etc., to seduce women by being romantic or by drawing attention to yourself (this is called peacocking, for those that don’t know.) You can use thoughts to create whatever desirable reality, emotion, empowering belief and mind state you want to make the most out of every situation, and you can use any and all observations to tell good stories, role-play, open and close a conversation, and keep it going. Hell, when I see a chair, I can tell the funniest story ever about what happened to me once when I sat on one (who can’t ?) So everything can be turned into an unfair advantage, my friend. This is my concept of “Total Game:” everything is game. Men, women, old men, old women, objects, emotions … doesn’t matter, because you can use everything as feedback for learning more or[em] use it to seduce.

However, Total Game also means that the game is [em]not everything. You base seduction on your life and not your life on seduction ! You have friends, family, work, education, interests, ambitions and dreams, too … so you shouldn’t make picking up women all that you do. Why ? Because if seduction were your life, this would mean that whenever you are not seducing women, you are thus not having a life, which makes you a response junkie (if you don’t get reactions from women, you are nothing. In other words, pretty much an attention whore !) And having no life is being a pathetic loser. Duh.

Also, you are not a Mystery puppet (www.lovesystems.com/), a David De Angelo clone (www.doubleyourdating.com/), or a Juggler look-a-like (charismaarts.com/) … all these men teach you some of the best game out there. True. But you are not them ! This is why you should base your seduction on your life. I, for example, work at a telephone company, have worked in a dozen or so call centers, and always get to train people to become phone superstars, which means it would be very natural for me to be an expert of phone game, to role-play the teacher-student thing with women a lot, and to teach women things.

You may be a club bouncer. Different people, different objects, different situation … on which you need to base an entirely different style of picking up women because of the noise in the club, drunk people, the rules of your job, etc. Know what I mean ?

Truly being a world-class seducer means making a killing with your unique circumstances: shaping your situation in such a way that you can meet as many women (or the highest quality of women) as you possibly can. It’s basing seduction on your life.


Review: The Venusian Arts Handbook by Mystery

Sniper PUALook up this term reviews a classic: Mystery's Venusian Arts Handbook. Is it worth rummaging through eBay for ? Find out ! www.cliffslist.com/reviews/the-venusian-arts-handbook-by-mystery

A Few New Promos
Hoobie:
Tired of traditional boring instructional videos ? Skills of the Game is the first product of its kind combining real world pick up scenarios with instructional content. It makes learning easy with step-by-step instructions and challenges designed to get you out into the field. The 23 up-tempo episodes cover everything from approach anxiety to how to become a better lover in the bedroom. The best part is that all 23 episodes are in a stream able format, meaning you can watch your purchased videos within seconds ! Watch the episodes, learn the techniques and get the girl ! Get Skills of the Game today ! www.skillsofthegame.com/

The Automatic Natural:
Automatically generate massive social value and get free drinks in the process ... The Free Drink Phenomenon ! If you want to learn how to generate massive social proof in nightclubs to get all sorts of perks like free drinks and VIP status, learn how to seduce hired gunLook up this terms like female bartenders and waitresses, and how to get all the other tremendous benefits that come from having high social status in nightclubs and bars, then you absolutely must read this ! www.theautomaticnatural.com/

Hamilton Miller:
Hamilton Miller, a renegade hypnotist and persuasion expert, has come up with a fool-proof system that goes beyond the old standards of influence and persuasion. Learn the #1 myth about hypnosis today, and how to protect yourself by applying this strategy now ! Learn why almost everyone is wrong about attraction, and how you can control any social interaction - and its outcome. Discover a closely guarded secret that you must possess if you ever want to become known as a Social Master and gain all the friends you could ever need. And sex ? What the heck does sex have to do with Elite Social Control ? More than you think. Learn how to apply the seduction power of ESC to your toolbox today, and literally build your own haremLook up this term with the power of a Master Seducer. Discover more about Elite Social Control here: www.stripperseduction.com/

Emily McKay:
Well, 2009 is here. With it comes the question of what your "New Year's Resolution" is going to be. Well, if you're reading this message, that means we've got something in common: we're both all about having the best relationship with the best man we've ever known. Shouldn't 2009 be the year we all remember as one we spent in a great relationship with a great man ? Well guess, what ? Let me confirm something you may have suspected already. I not only believe that you have the power to see that happen this coming year, I believe that you've had that power all along. That's right. You are the great woman for whom a high quality man is looking. All it takes is harnessing that personal power and maximizing the attraction that the kind of man you want to meet is feeling for you. And as I see it, I think this is about the fastest (and easiest !) way to make it happen: www.attraction-makeover.com/alt1/ Take a look, there's a fun three-minute video showing you just exactly how fast and easy it can be. It's all about discovering the new, true you

Devon White:
We've all experienced it: a night when you're on, when you've got it. When something happens, and all of a sudden you're different, and as you walk into the club, it's as if women are drawn to your presence like gravity. And we're told this thing we have is "inner game." To many in the community, "inner game" remains elusive and ill-defined. Inner Game isn't something you "get," it's something you are. Which means anyone can be taught how to be in state whenever they want, or all the time if they so choose. What's more, once you learn how to do this, it's as easy and reliable as turning on a light switch. This is why I created Installing Inner Game. If you've ever seen The Matrix, Installing Inner Game is like when Neo straps into the chair and after a few moments opens his eyes and says, "I know Kung-Fu." We're literally installing it into your brain-and-body-system from beliefs to DNA to cells and muscle memory. This is the true power of this product – to help you "get it" both when you're paying attention to it and when you're not. In Installing Inner Game, I've leveraged frontier science discoveries and combined them with the communication protocols that make them go in at the deepest and most pervasive levels. Check it out here: www.installinginnergame.com/iigm

Carlos Xuma:
New technologies of psychology show you how to conquer shyness, get rid of your nervousness, fears, and anxieties with women. The secrets to building bulletproof self-confidence and emotional self-control ... finally, you can learn hidden mental "martial arts" techniques to renew and rebuild your ultimate, rock-solid inner game. Skyrocket your success with women, increase your social circle, and get rid of your anxious fears once and for all ! www.carlosxuma.com/ultimate-self-confidence

Magic:
Magic at the Social Skills Institute (one of the top infield coaches in the world and formerly with Brad P. Presents) has released his much-anticipated Social Mastery eBook. Magic interweaves his personal struggles (moving from India, having to learn a new language and culture, only to become one of the best pick-up artists alive) that gives the reader a sense that anyone who is willing to invest the time and a small amount of money (Social Mastery is only $47) can use this book as a guide for better success with women than most men will ever dare to imagine. Within the book, Magic covers all of the essential areas of study for a new student learning the craft of seduction. He starts with inner game, but moves step-by-step through subjects like opening, attraction, qualification, comfort, sexual escalation, phone game, teasing, day versus night, direct versus indirect, threesomes and more.
www.socialskillsinstitute.com/how-to-attract-women.html

SIN:
SIN is back after vanishing from the Seduction Community for six years ! Yep, that's right ! This is the "original" SIN from the international bestselling book “The Game: Penetrating The Secret Society of Pickup Artists.” He was the wingman to Mystery and helped develop "The Mystery Method" during its creation, and coached Style (Neil Strauss) at the very first Hollywood Roosevelt workshop. And he's not to be mistaken with any other "Sin" out there today. SIN has over 20 years of inner game deep-rooted in perceiving hidden microexpressions and microrhythms (non-verbal communications that signal instant attraction that never fail.) This is next level stuff / seriously advanced body language, making techniques like "plowing" totally obsolete ! A true artist uses subtleties and finesse. Now you can learn how ! www.instantsexualattraction.com/ Not just another method, but "a way!"

Ron Louis:
Why do hot women chase down the bad boys while nice guys finish last ? If you don't find out now, you'll hate yourself later. Read this letter to discover the simple, easy "bad boy" secrets and start having women pursue you today ! howtosucceedwithwomen.com/htg/index.html

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