2009/03/11

Stripper Is Not Who She Is, Stripper Is What She Does

Think there's more to life than picking up women ? Why Hoobie wouldn't trade his skills as a pickup artist for all the money in the world. And maybe you feel you've really accomplished something if she talks to you for an hour. But the truth is, she just wants to use you for sex.

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Index To This Edition of Cliff's List
Events
- Upcoming events including The Complete Toolbox Seminar, Spidey's “Knocked Out !” Hypnosis Show, and more.

Freebies
- Spidey: Mention in the Montreal Mirror
- Permission to Cum: Advanced Sex Advice For The Dominant Male

Articles & Content
- Hoobie: PUALook up this term – A Cautionary Tale ?
- Persian Player: FRLook up this term: Stripper Number-Close on Metro
- Magic: Getting Sexual

A Few New Promos
- Check out new promos from Steve P, Friend to Girlfriend Secrets, Vibe Society, Etienne Charland, and others !

Events
Be sure to mention that you heard about these events on Cliff's List !

The Complete Toolbox Seminar:
Clifford will be at The Complete Toolbox Seminar in Los Angeles that will be held from March 19 - 22 2009. Find out more here: www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/the-complete-toolbox-seminar

Spidey:
Due to overwhelming demand, Spidey is coming back and is ready to present hypnosis that will knock you out ! www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/spidey-knocked-out-hypnosis-event

Czech Social Dynamics Conference:
The Czech Social Dynamics Conference in Prague will be held from 18th to 19th April 2009 Find out more here: www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/czech-social-dynamics-conference-seminar

DJ:
DJ will be hosting his Personal Storytelling Seminar March 20th-22nd in New York City. Get more details here: www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/dj-personal-storytelling-new-york-seminar

Christian Hudson:
I just put new dates on the schedule for our Spark of Attraction Boot Camp. Read more: www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/christian-hudson-the-social-man-spark-of-attraction-boot-camp

Freebies
Spidey:
Read about Spidey in the Montreal Mirror: www.montrealmirror.com/2009/022609/people.html

Permission to Cum:
New website offering sex advice for men who aren't afraid to be dominant in the bedroom. www.PermissionToCum.com

Articles & Content Begins Here
Hoobie (www.skillsofthegame.com/):
PUALook up this term – A Cautionary Tale ?

I’ve known about the Game and the Pick Up Community for about 8 years now, from its early days as the dirty derivative of NLPLook up this term, through its exciting clandestine evolution into club game with routines and magic tricks, and its explosion into the mass media and public consciousness with the launch of Neil’s best selling book in 2005 (www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060554738).

Being part of what some call the “New Men’s Movement” has always been something I’ve taken pride in. It’s not often uttered, but just knowing about this stuff and belonging to some sort of “secret society” empowers you in a way disproportionate to the value of the information itself.

But if you’re like me and you’ve been involved in this community for a little while, you’re probably tired of how commercialized the community has become. With so many people pitching the same old things at you, “magic pills,” secret techniques, boring books and DVDs that promise to solve all your girl problems – the amount of hype and noise in the dating and seduction information market is deafening. The kind of money some of the gurus and the not-so-gurus charge for coaching is staggering.

It led me to wonder, what is it that we (the guys who claim to know everything there is to know about girls) really know ?

Do we really hold the secret to greater success with women ?

Will learning the information and acquiring the skills of the game lead to greater happiness in life ?

After all, that’s what we’re all seeking in the end, isn’t it ?

Let me tell you about the thoughts that have been going through my mind lately.

I've been back in my hometown for 6 months now, after 4 years of traveling the world doing short term contract jobs and mixing it up with pick up coaching and video production.

A couple of months ago I turned 30, which led to me to reflect on my life and what I’ve accomplished thus far. I look around me and I see old university and high school friends who own houses and profitable businesses earning 100k and over. Of course, there are the odd losers who live paycheck to paycheck, but amongst my non-PUA friends, they're the minority.

I have friends who are engaged, friends who’ve gotten married, and some are even popping out kids. They’re going on couples' vacations, buying Mercedes four-wheel drives, and starting wine collections. Everyone buzzes around them as if their lives are the greatest things since sliced bread. My regular (non-PUA) social circle is starting to regard settling down and starting a family as being more deserving of respect these days. My friends who go out to clubs to pick up girls (regardless of their success rate) were cool when they were 18-25 and mostly single, but these days, they're seen as the ones whom everyone looks down upon and pities.

Me, I have a girlfriend who is 10 years younger, albeit hot, but she's not really ready to settle down and do the domestic thing for at least another 5 years. She was perfect for my gallivanting days, but we have a lot of things we need to sort out before diamond rings and babies get involved.

So despite my adventures and the (many) girls I've shagged, I question the merits of its worth ... I haven't impregnated any of them, or maintained many lasting, productive relationships. Compared to many of my regular friends, I’m starting to feel like I have nothing tangible to show for all the effort.

It was like this whole pick up thing was just a way of retrieving my lost adolescent years. Now, I'm behind the eight ball in terms of becoming a fully-grown adult – with real responsibilities, owning assets and establishing a career, and being with the future mother of my children.

As PUALook up this terms, we generally spend our time and energy chasing after dumb, drunk club chicks that either never call you back, or with whom you never wanted to have a proper relationship in the first place. All that effort just to get a chance to bang her a few times at most and then hope to God you don't get her pregnant.

I used to think the guys who worked hard and accumulated a lot of wealth and then got the girl were the chodes, but then I was starting to wonder if we (the PUAs) were the misguided ones instead ?

This was particularly weighing on my mind while I was going through a rough patch with my girlfriend and facing some uncertainties career-wise given the current economic climate.

But then, while out jogging one afternoon with one of my best friends (in our effort to stem the potbelly-inducing effects of beer and aging) he told me about his older brother, Michael.

Michael was a corporate middle manager who had just gotten divorced, and then a week later lost his job at GM Finance because the company was sacking most of its workforce. As part of the divorce settlement his wife took 50% of his assets and his savings, and then another 20% of all his future earnings for child support.

At 40 years old, the once bright star of the family was now broke, unemployed and living back home with his parents.

He had married his high school sweetheart at 22, concentrated on his career while they built a home and raised a family. He thought it was going to be smooth sailing until it all came crashing down one day when his wife woke up and decided that she couldn’t stand the sight of him. He’d grown fat and lazy, as well as bald from all the stress he faced at work.

They’d grown apart. She’d lost her youthful feminine beauty and he’d become a fat slob. Now she was leaving him, taking him for all he was worth, and there was not an awful lot he could do about it.

It sounds like a horror story, but without giving it any thought I can easily list at least a handful of guys I know personally who have been in similar situations. In this day and age, with an over 50% divorce rate, it’s an all too common one.

The story jolted me back into my reality. It made me realize that I wouldn’t trade my knowledge and experiences for the combined wealth of all my friends if it meant that I had to spend the last 8 years of my life working my ass off, being miserable and lonely. As was the life I was living before discovering pick up.

The game itself teaches a lot of great principles: the realization that it is possible to make deep fundamental shifts in the way you think; destroying limiting beliefs; taking advantage of what is presented to you now; giving you insight into the way you think and how others think, and giving you the mechanics of how to actually carry it out.

On the other hand, for all its positives, there is certainly a negative side.

The game encourages obsession and isolation from other social circles. I see guys who quit university, let their work suffer, and abandon their old friends because they seem to think being good with women is all they need in order to be happy. Broke PUALook up this terms are probably much more common than you realize. My old friend Darren from London was apparently broke and homeless, picking up girls and moving in with them in order to have a bed to sleep in.

We learn the skills of the game in our quest to get laid, but in the meantime it permeates into every other area of our lives. It is a fucking amazing journey, and when you think about it, a great percentage of guys in the community are well ahead of most people in this world – who spend most of their lives half asleep to the possibilities open to them. All of us already have the tools for greatness and success; it’s just a matter of striking a balance with the other areas of your life in order to find true happiness.

SargeLook up this term on !


Persian Player:
FRLook up this term: Stripper Number-Close on Metro

I had a 2-hour fighting class tonight. All my rage gone, I'm fucking bleeding because we fought really hard. I head to Element's house to have some conversation. We discuss about our journies in the game.

Something I've also been doing lately is I only go for chicks who give me some sign of interest. No point wasting your time desperately investing energy trying to seduce some chick.

I leave his place at 11:15 p.m. I get to the Metro around 11:30 p.m. I notice a hot girl, HB9 who's standing really close to the edge of the platform. I tell myself, "Go open her man, don't be a pussy." These days, I've been a pussy about approaches, but whatever, we all have our ups and downs. What I usually do is come up with a very in-the-moment opener and then approach. The opener I wanted to use was, "Hey, I'm curious, do you always stand so close to the edge ?" Not the best, but who cares, because I pussied out anyway lol.

So at some point she looks at me (IOI#1.) Guys, I looked like shit tonight (ask Element). Bloodshot eyes (not weed, just too much exercise and fatigue,) dressed in dirty jogging pants, hands bleeding a bit. I look away when she looks at me, but I don't start feeling guilty because I didn't smile. I think to myself, fuck it, who cares. When the metro arrives, she has the choice to take either of the wagons. She takes the one I go in. I lean back against the doors (she comes and sits across from me – IOI#2.) She looks at me again (IOI#3.) I look at her and I smile. She completely ignores me and looks away. I go and lean against the doors on her side. Now, I'm next to her and looking at what she's doing. Nothing special. I'm still too much of a pussy to open (and it's weird because I've pulled so much from buses, metros, coffee shops, etc.) Then I get off, and as I'm getting off she bumps into me (IOI#4) and I notice she's still going in the same direction as me. I think to myself, man I should open with, "Excuse me, are you following me ?" But I pussy out. This is bad.

We go up the stairs and she looks at me again (IOI#5.) This time I've had it, I should probably get slapped for asking a girl to give me that many IOILook up this terms. I tap her on the shoulder and go in with the classic cheap pick-up line that still somehow works: "Excuse me, do we know each other? You look familiar."

Her: Yeah, you do too, but we don't.
Me: Don't torture me, I'm sure you know me from somewhere.
Her: I don't know. What do you do?
Me: So many things. Like tonight, I was fighting.
Her: What, like boxing ?
Me: No, this is the real deal street fighting. This is the shit I would teach you if I wanted you to know how to take out a guy trying to rape you.
Her: Oh, cool.
Me: Yeah, like hold my hand (kinoLook up this term escalation.) What's your name by the way ?
Her: *****
Anyway, at this point I showed her a few things she can do to defend herself and established strong kinoLook up this term. At some point I ask her to shake my hand and she's like:

Her: Ok, but we can't do this on the Metro.
Me: Fuck the people around us, we're in our bubble. Fuck what they think. (She then complied.) Dude, I feel so comfortable with you, this is weird.
Her: Hehe, yeah I feel comfortable too.
Me: You know, when I meet a person and I'm that comfortable, I'm just thinking about the moment, I don't care whether I ever see you again or not, but I will remember this moment (establish I'm not a needy guy who hopes for things to happen in the future, but I appreciate the moment.)
Her: Are you a student ? By the way, you never told me your name.
Me: My name's *****. Sort of a student. Student Lawyer.
Her: You're in law school.
Me: Yeah, what about you, what do you do ?
Her: I'm not going to tell you because you'll judge me.
Me: Nothing can make me judge you. I used to date a stripper and I realized: stripper is not who she is, stripper is what she does.
Her: Hehe (she still doesn't tell me.)
Me: What's that you're holding in the bag ?
Her: Supplies.
Me: What ? Tampons ?
Her: Haha, yeah.
Me: Damn, I'm glad us guys don't have to buy that shit. I probably would have to cut down on milk or something if I had to buy tampons.
Her: Hahaha.
Me: But whatever, we buy expensive razors and shit.
Her: We do too ! For our legs.
Me: Dude, this is so weird. We're talking about your legs and we don't even know each other. This is wrong.
Her: Hahaha
Me: You know it's weird, I feel like we've known each other for so long.
Her: Haha.
We get on the metro and I'm 2 stops away.

Her: So where you from ?
Me: Not far from here. You ? You can answer the same way if you'd like ...
Her: I'm from another town.
Me: This relationship is already going downhill. How would we see each other ? The metro line there is always fucked.
Her: Haha, no it's not.
Me: Whatever.
I'm almost at my stop.

Her: So when do you go to school ?
Me: Usually afternoons, I work mornings. That means I can only see you evenings. (At this point, we're both standing against the Metro pole and I'm talking close into her ear.)
Her: Haha, no I work evenings.
Me: Ok, then fuck this relationship.
Her: Hahaha.
Me: What about weekends ? I work once in awhile.
Her: I'm good Sunday afternoons.
Me: Ok, then we'll have a glass of wine and good conversation on a Sunday.
Her: Perfect.
Me: You don't know how badly I just want to get home and take a hot shower.
Her: Me, I'm more of a bath girl. I like my candles, my incense, my meditative music. (Nice, she's talking about sensual shit while around me.)
Me: Dude, we're gonna have so much fun talking. You're fun. You got a home phone or a cell ?
Her: Just a cell.
Me: Ok, I'll take your digits down and text your ass, we'll take it from there.
Her: Sure. (As I'm saving her number in my phone, she blurts out, "You're lucky I didn't give you my stage name !")
Me: For real, what are you, a theatre student ?
Her: (She looks at me, looks down, looks back at me.) A dancer.
Me: Dude, I fucking love you.
I give her a kiss on the cheek and I leave. She feels a little weird and I lean into her ear and I say, "I bet everyone on the metro thinks we've known each other forever." She smiles.

I just text her with, "Hey, just making sure I got your # right, my phone's weird - PZN" (I made this line up because they always text back. Not only does it break the ice for texting a stranger, but she now has your number and will save it.)

She texted back "Yup. It's me."

Anyway guys, if there's one lesson to be learned here, it's don't be a pussy lol. But for real, go for the chicks that give you IOILook up this terms, don't waste your time.

I notice also I say the words fuck and shit a lot when I talk to girls. To some extent, it's masculine; to another extent, it's just useless language. I also call them dude a lot, and that sort of creates the vibe that they're just another guy.


Are you someone who talks to women for hours without getting sexual ? Do you wait for the right opportunity so you can initiate touching ? Do you believe, or have you been told, that women do not like to be touched until they get to know you ?

I have been observing for a long time now that lots of guys are afraid to get sexual with women. They will approach a woman and talk to her for hours then leave the setLook up this term feeling accomplished. I call this “emotional masturbation.” You just enjoy the validity from the woman and you do not want to risk losing it by trying to get sexual.

Big freakin mistake !

You have to risk losing her to get her !

I know this because I have done it myself for the longest time. I started from a place where no woman wanted to talk to me. As a consequence, any time a woman opened up to me, I would do everything to ensure I did not fuck up. This was a very bad thing to do.

First, I was sub-communicating to myself that a woman would not be interested in getting sexual with me. Which also translated to: I am not good enough. Second, by assuming that women did not like to get sexual, I was sub-communicating to women that I did not understand them and that a relationship with me would be a boring drag. As a result, very often a woman would get bored out of her mind and things died. Yes, granted, it felt good at times that a woman talked to me for an hour, but that did not land me a lay or a girlfriend.

All this made me frustrated ! I had been going out for months and no lay. Forget getting laid. I wasn’t even getting a kiss or a date. And I cannot tell you how many guys are making the same mistake over and over.

Let me settle this for you once and for all:

Women are sexual beings. Hesitate to get sexual with them and lose them to another guy, or end the setLook up this term with no result ! Stop emotional masturbation !

Start touching women as soon as possible and keep advancing with physical escalation. I usually never open the setLook up this term unless I have already touched a woman. If for logistical reasons I could not touch her prior to opening her, then I will touch her within the first 15-30 seconds of my interaction with her. I will establish strong and extended eye contact from the very beginning. I want her to know I am confident, sexual and want to have her. I am not ashamed of this and I know she enjoys it. I would rather have my setLook up this term end in 2 minutes and move on to the next girl who would respond to my sexual advances than waste my evening with this woman who wouldn’t get sexual with me for X number of reasons.

My students are completely blown away when they see women chasing me in groups. Yes, in groups. They are amazed when they see girls making out with me right in front of their boyfriends.

The secret to my success: I get sexual right away. I start touching right away. I establish strong extended eye contact right away. I read her signals and calibrate. I get 2-3 positive responses, then I go for the kiss. Depending on my goal and situation, I try to pull her to the bathroom or my place. Worst case, I setLook up this term up a day 2.

Do not hesitate to get sexual and keep pushing things forward. This is the only way you will get any results.

Good Luck !

A Few New Promos
Be sure to mention that you heard about these offers on Cliff's List !

Steve P:
Steve P. will teach you how to Awaken and Enhance your relationship and sexual experiences by releasing powerful extended orgasms in women... that can change your life. www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/steve-p-white-tiger-tantra-course

Friend to Girlfriend Secrets:
Here's the secret to understanding your female "friend"--and using it to your advantage ! www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/friend-to-girlfriend-secrets-course

Vibe Society:
Vibe Society is a community of exceptionally driven, loyal and improvement oriented individuals focused on creating successful relationships via superior interpersonal and communication skills with the men or women of our choice. www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/vibe-society-coaching-online-community

Etienne Charland:
Etienne Charland is a dating coach and expert based in Montreal, Canada.
www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/etienne-charland-dating-coach-shamanic-seduction-coaching

Omaxx:
Part of the Paragon Project has launched a full fledged Seduction Hall of Fame for Men. Read more: www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/seduction-hall-of-fame-for-men-other

Scot McKay:
Scot McKay is opening his acclaimed Ten-Plus coaching program to guys who want to combine success with women and success in business. Read more: www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/scot-mckay-ten-plus-coaching

Sarah Paul:
New eBook on how to catch a cheating spouse. Find out more: www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/sarah-paul-catch-a-cheating-spouse-ebook

Patty Contenta:
I had no idea when I released my book, Sensuality Secrets, in 2004 that it would have led to this: the release of my first DVD series ! More info here: www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/patty-contenta-sensuality-secrets-dvd-course-ecourse

Love Systems:
Love Systems now offers a variety of training programs. Learn more here: www.cliffslist.com/what-is-new-in-seduction/love-systems-training-programs-course

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