2009/08/26

9 Out of 10 Times I Am Successful

A beginner's question for the seduction community, and thoughts on the use of Speed Seduction patterns and poems in seduction.

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Macbeth:
Question

Where the hell do I begin ? I have just read half of The Game by Neil Strauss, but I am not sure how to start it all. I don't have any openers, routines, or closers. Maybe your readers have some ideas about what to do ?

Clifford's Comments:

Hey Macbeth,

Good question ! I think part of what I do is help guys find the right direction with this part of their lives. While I was more thinking about being a bit of a guide to which style or method to follow, where to start is very good question, too.

Probably a good guideline is to setLook up this term a ratio of how much you read relative to how much you go out “into the field.” In other words, say you read for an hour and then go out for an hour (could be 1-2 or 2-1 or whatever, but try not to read so much that you don't go out enough.)

I would suggest you start reading by spending some time on the archives of my list. It's free, and there are several good “full guides” or long posts outlining some guys' full methods. The most famous, of course, is the long post by “Sisonpyh” which was so popular that the author expanded it and turned it into the Double Your Dating eBook, which launched a pretty big business.

But there are several other good guides for beginners that have been posted on my list. The most recent one was by Zardoz, within the last month or two.

Once you start reading and looking around, you will probably zero in on a couple of “gurus” who seem more interesting to you, and you may at that time want to buy some of their products or even take a seminar or boot camp with them. But I suggest you take some time to read the free material that is available first, because there's a lot out there now and you can get lost in it. After awhile, you'll start to see the patterns in the teaching methods, and you'll pick what fits best for you.

There are guys out there teaching how to meet women for quick action as well as for long term relationships. It's not up to me to tell you what you want. I am just hopefully helping you find what works best for you.


Luzbel:
Seduction Poetry

I know this may seem off topic because of the major evolution in the seduction world with all the PUALook up this term factions that we see today. Myself, I'm part of the older school of Speed Seduction, so I don’t understand many of the new things going on, and I by no means feel like I am some PUALook up this term. What I know I use with those ladies in whom I take a great interest, and 9 out of 10 times I am successful.

Ok, first, what has drawn me to talk about seduction poetry ? Recently I saw a guy advertising hypnotic poems for sale, which was interesting to me as I hardly see mention of their use in seduction these days.

Using seduction poetry is my forte, and it took me years to get good at it. I have had great success with my Speed Seduction / NLPLook up this term laced poetry. I still write seductive poems for which, on occasion, I will look to classic poetry for themes and language to inspire my seduction poems.

I said this years ago, but my main studies came from the old Speed Seduction Home Study Course back in the late 1990s. As hard as it was for me to learn the material initially, what helped me in the long run was making hypnotic seduction poetry based on the Speed Seduction Home Study Course basic language patterns, and the awesome examples of Taylor's Love Drop poems, which some are time-tested poems.

On a personal level, I have found that the poems I write work to varying degrees based on the situation and the lady in question. Often I find it important to bring up poetry gently, through the agency of a general conversation about language and the arts. Or I will slip in the poetry in the context of “sweet talking her” with metaphors both sexually and emotionally laden (which is the way I apply my Speed Seduction learnings.) In this context, I can introduce the poetry, as she is in a state of mind for poetic language.

I merely wanted to add something from my various experiences in using my poems and Speed Seduction patterns: that the law of suggestion always applies to all of this, as some women are more suggestible than others. They have either been totally swayed with one poetry reading which was lubricated with patterning language, or it has a delayed effect days after they were read several poems. Often I will give her a copy of the poem, as well, which of course contains the suggestions and catch phrases which lead her in the right direction. As she re-reads these poems, the suggestions are working tirelessly in my favor.

That being said, often it is the long chain of suggestive language in the various poems I read her which will manifest the feelings I'm evoking within her. Other times it is in conversation that I find the things in her world which I add to my poems for the most profound effect.

Do you know anyone else who uses poetry in this way who came from the Speed Seduction school of seduction ? I know that Orion spoke of this as well in the Trouble Shooter Tapes which were sold some years ago. Still, neither he nor Taylor were guys with whom I was ever able to correspond, so I have kept my experiences largely to myself in these matters.

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