Why are Porn Stars / Sex Pros Different ?
These Uber-Hotties are immune to society's dirty looks, whispered comments, or other embarrassment-fueled methods for keeping women down ... and as such, they revel in their freedom, whether they have sought it out, or had it regrettably thrust upon them !
This category includes any attractive woman who understands that her reputation is already shot !
It includes any woman who knows and accepts that she cannot be mistaken for a “Good Girl,” because her sexual and stylistic exploits have already tarred her with society's ugliest brands: “Harlot,” “Tramp,” “Whore,” etc.
It doesn't matter if she is a Porn Star, a top-tier escort (a.k.a. a Model), a Rock Star, or any other sort of celebrity whose career is inextricably conjoined to her sex appeal, and where the media loves to publicize and sensationalize everything she does, thereby depriving her of any private life. (Think Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Little Kim, Jenna Jameson, or any other female celeb who has nothing left to fear from society's opinions or attitudes !)
The essence is the same for all Strippers, Escorts, and Models ... any “Professionally Beautiful” woman is going to have made peace with her attractiveness, and will now be looking for men who are accepting of them, comfortable with themselves, and interested in what they have to say.
Why are Porn Stars / Sex Pros different ?
Ok, you need to recognize that sexually-confident superhotties like Porn Stars are different from your “typical HB9+” types you might find out in clubland, in that they accept their sexual-attractiveness as a given all the time.
Normal “Club Girls” are generally not self-confident, and usually have pretty low self-esteem. They are actually in the club in the first place to get validation from guys because of their looks !
Even if they describe themselves as “models,” or have a model's portfolio card (Z-card) to hand out, they most-likely haven't ever had the courage or the looks necessary to actually be a professional model ... and since that has meant that they've taken jobs as hair salon receptionists, dental hygienists, veterinary assistants, or whatever ... they desperately seek out men's attention to re-affirm their desirability to themselves.
That's why “negs” work on Club Girls in the first place ... because if a girl's sense of self is directly connected to her perception of how she is viewed, that is the very essence of “low self-esteem.”
By contrast, Porn Stars, Escorts, Magazine Models, and Exotic Dancers fall into the category of “professionally beautiful girls” along with movie starlets and popular singers, and tend to have a different attitude; they already have all the validation they need, not only based on their looks ... so “negging” falls on deaf ears, as do banal compliments.
With women like these, the only “DHV” that matters is demonstrating your own self-comfort, and through that, the acceptance of their beauty as merely a component of what makes them interesting to you.
You must never appear star-struck, or overwhelmed by their hotness or beauty !
It must be obvious to them that you are undaunted by their popularity, their fame, or their sex appeal. You'll need to engage them in conversations about things that interest them ... and the easiest and most certain way to do that is by demonstrating happy curiosity. In other words, being light and playful and interested in what they have to say, encouraging them to keep describing the things that they wish to talk about by asking insightful and interested questions.
(This is true for most beautiful women, and most people in general, but in the top tier of sexiness, they almost never get to talk about their own interests !)
Forget “Cocky & Funny” here. Instead, being “Playful & Confident” wins the day !
Remember: always be curious, accepting, and appreciative. The longer you keep them talking about the things they like to talk about (themselves, their interests, their thoughts and positions on things and people), the more attractive you'll become.
Look at Howard Stern, or any talk-show host ... they are not nice to look at, but because they know how to keep someone talking about themselves, and they know how to listen attentively and actively by encouraging the speaker to continue speaking, they are compellingly attractive.
You need to be okay with their career choice: respectful, yet not in awe.
Demonstrate that you offer them “non-judgmental acceptance” combined with sincere appreciation, and they will adore you for it.
Once they know they can open up to you, and share their intimate emotional and cerebral aspects with you, they will rapidly transfer that sense of comfort and security into their carnal and visceral centers ... and they will open up other aspect of themselves... heh heh heh.
Why would a guy want to sleep with a Porn Star or Sex Pro ?
I've been to bed with maybe a hundred professional Porn Stars in the last decade or so, non-commercially ... and maybe that number again of more “mainstream” celebrities ... and in every case, the question of whether or not to do so was weighed individually.
I'm a strong proponent of “sexual professionalism” ... but to be frank, eighty-plus percent of porn performers are simply too “broken” for me to wish to engage in playful sex with them ...
If a girl is making porn for “the right reasons,” then I'm all over it !
But tragically, very few actually are.
(The “right reasons” are because she loves sex, loves being watched having sex, and gets off on being a Porn Star ... and therefore she can and will rock your world !)
Aren't they all disease-ridden ?
I must say, I'm amazed by how often I hear this question. The average girl you meet at a bar is fantastically more likely to have a disease, and to have unprotected sex with you before getting tested, than any Sex Pro !
The degree of sexual playfulness amongst pros is intense and amazing, and the comfort that everyone has a current (less than 30 days old) full-spectrum STD result published online is incredibly liberating and confidence building !
The Adult Industry Medical centers are all linked to one another, sharing test results to prevent outbreaks. The monthly HIV tests are not the ELIZA style antibody tests, but instead are extremely accurate PCR / DNA tests which provide results overnight, and can detect infection within days of first exposure.
Because everyone in the business must have their STD status available for the producers and their co-stars, there is fanatical dedication to never taking a chance on losing the ability to work (which continues until they have two consecutive “clean” test results), or having the stigma of being so disrespectful to your peers that you haven't considered their careers also.
Remember: you can't catch an STD from someone who doesn't have one, even without a condom !
But they've been with guys with monster cocks ! I couldn't satisfy them !
Sure, they've been with guys with dicks as big as your forearm ... but that was work, and normally not something they would choose in their personal lives ! Women are not that big inside ! Her gynecologist can reach all the way to her cervix with his fingers ! If you actually watch closely, you'll see that vaginally, a woman (even in porn) can only fit in about 6" or so, maximum, and even that only in a few positions.
If you're interested in delighting your partner, you can do it, regardless of even having a penis. (I know a lot of Porn Stars who are lesbians in their social lives, and only “do guys” on screen !) You just need to invest the time in learning how to use your mouth, fingers, and toys to the best effect !
OK, but girls who have so much sex get “loose,” and then they're no fun at all !
(Sigh ...) Another insane concept which has been propagated throughout time with no basis whatsoever !
Ever watch a bodybuilder at the gym, curling heavy weights ? Ever notice how loose his biceps get as he repeatedly makes his muscles work, over and over ?
Of course not, that's ridiculous ! His muscles get stronger and firmer as a result of being routinely employed under load !
Well guess what ? A vagina is also muscle, and with continuous use, it also becomes firmer and stronger !
As a matter of fact, the muscles responsible for vaginal “tightness” are also the ones which she'll employ most of all when she's enjoying herself sexually ... so the more enthusiastic a girl is about participating in sex, the better she becomes !
(Although if she's not into it, and is lying there spread out like a starfish, and basically allowing you to masturbate into her, then don't even bother !)
Seriously, most beautiful women who enjoy sex have the secret urge to be Porn Stars ... but very, very few have the independence or confidence necessary, and even fewer are sufficiently exhibitionist and proud of their sex to do it for the world to see. If you check local Gentlemen's clubs, you're likely to meet the sort of women who could easily graduate into the Porn Star category, and by helping to emancipate them from society's oppression, you could help facilitate that !
Here are some critical reframes which will help you understand why women who make up their own minds about with whom to have sex, and for what reasons, are actually preferable ... so when you take these concepts to heart, and bring them up with women, you help emancipate them !
All women who have sex are either “sluts” or “whores” in our society. (Not by my reckoning ! By society's !)
Initially, I didn't understand it. When I was a boy, I mistakenly believed that the trade of security and support for sex (or at least, the promise of exclusive access), which I observed going on in all the nuclear families around me as “marriage,” was entirely unrelated to prostitution.
Then I heard countless mothers angrily telling their daughters not to have sex unless they were being paid, or at least had the promise of security and support from the man who wanted to have sex with them. Otherwise, they would be “giving themselves away for nothing,” and that would prove that "they had no self-respect !" They would therefore never be able to convince a man that they were worth paying for.
So I accepted those crazy notions as axiomatic: that women must be paid for their sex, whether they had one client, or many.
Then I listened to older men telling younger men (when the younger men insisted, “I would never pay for sex !”) that every man pays for sex, but outside of marriage / long term relationships, they usually get the sex they pay for ...
I considered all the girls I knew who would go to bed with a guy because he took them out for dinner and a show, or because he promised to take them out of town for a weekend, or because the guy would provide valuable services like fixing their car, or filing their taxes, or because the guy bought them jewels, liquor, cocaine, or whatever ... and I realized why I was having so much difficulty rationalizing the difference between these girls and “whores” who would go to bed with men for cash. The reason I couldn't recognize the difference was simple: there is no difference.
And suddenly, I realized that the fabric of society, the basis for all the lies, misunderstandings, and foolish choices, all came down to that critical faulty-logic: that women believe their value is only demonstrable through the quality of man they can convince to purchase them; and that the only way to demonstrate that value is to admit to a small number (ideally, zero) of previous sexual partners, so that the man can believe that kids she gives birth to are actually his kids. (This explains why virginity is so highly prized, despite its ensuring that the woman will not be skilled, or even necessarily interested in sex !)
So, from there it was a very simple, inescapable logical step to recognizing that our society insists: any woman who has sex to suit herself, for her own pleasure, without concern for the promise of security and support, is to be branded a “Slut,” and socially outcast and condemned; whereas any woman who makes men pay for sex (or at least, makes them imply that they will ultimately pay) is socially acceptable. Naturally, the ones who can get a man to formally commit to paying forever, by having him legally purchase (marry) her have much higher status than the ones who get paid less predictably.
It's critical to remember that virtually all women are raised to charge for their sexual services. When a mother tells her daughter, “If you give away the milk, no one will buy the cow !” she's really saying, “Don't you forget, I raised you to be a whore ! (Not a slut !)”
Likewise, their fathers tell them: “I don't want you spending time with that Kevin boy ... he just wants to get into your pants ! Why don't you go connect with Thomas over there ... he has his own business, and he'll be a good provider and father for your children, and he'll take care of you ! (Because don't ever forget, we raised you to be a whore !)”
Women are raised never to undercut The Sexual Cartel ... an unspoken understanding amongst all women to ensure that men will support them and their offspring by convincing men that sex can only be available at a cost ... and that the dearer the cost, the more valuable the sex.
This is to convince men that their children are their own, genetically.
“Son, I know you're my child, (despite the fact that we don't look anything alike) because your mother was a “good girl.” She didn't sleep with me until our fourth date ! And hell, she doesn't even like sex, we practically never had it once we got married !”
Women who have sex because they want to, with whomever they choose, without the promise of a “commitment,” (or any other direct or promised compensation) are condemned socially and branded as “sluts:” the most derogatory word any woman can be called, particularly by another woman. When a man calls a woman a slut, he is saying “She's having more sex than I want her to !” But when a woman calls another woman a slut, it means, “She's a traitor to her gender ! She's giving away what I must sell and lowering my value ! She's a scab ! She's undercutting The Cartel !”
Once you personally become comfortable with this, your non-judgmental acceptance of women, along with your appreciation of the unjust nature of the persecution and disrespect Sex Symbols and female public figures have had to endure, will make you invaluable to such women ! They are desperately seeking a man who won't judge them, won't disapprove of them, and will gladly lead them into adventures & excitement with the security of having his protection (real or imagined !)
What's the difference between “Cocky / Funny” and “Playful / Confident ?”
“Cocky” is arrogant, over-assertive, and confrontational. It is something you must demonstrate.
“Confident” is self-comfortable, relaxed, and grounded. It is something you radiate.
“Funny” is usually verbal or clown-like humor, which is designed to amuse and entertain the other people involved.
“Playful” is an expression of spiritual enlightenment: a way to demonstrate your love of life, unburdened by any supposed “seriousness” of a circumstance ! It permits you to amuse yourself ! And that is very compelling and attractive, as well as disarming and endearing (and usually entertaining) to most people, particularly women !
To summarize, and be sure this really sinks in:
These Professionally Beautiful women are just like any other hot girl you're likely to meet, except for two major differences:
1) They have no “reputation” to protect. (They have no fears of being labeled as “easy” or condemned as “a slut.”)
2) They have generated their security for themselves, so they can afford to date whomever they please, rather than relying on finding a man to support them and guarantee their security.
Women crave security the way men crave approval: as a primal and instinctive central theme to their actions.
Since most women believe that security comes from contracting themselves as “sole sexual-services provider” to a man in exchange for economic support and protection (both for herself and her offspring), and that such a client (husband / boyfriend) would only agree to such a contract if he believed he was paying for something which was otherwise unattainable (why buy the cow when the milk is free ?) she must ensure that her sex appears to be hard to acquire.
Most women therefore go out of their way to put their chastity and demure sensibilities on display whenever they are confronted by a potential client ... and whenever they are exposed to competitors !
It's important to most women that men not consider them “easy” or “slutty,” because if a man believes he can have sex with them without making a commitment contract, he will not ever provide them with the security they crave so dearly.
It is even more important to women that other women don't believe them to be “easy” or “slutty,” because that constitutes treason amongst women. If any woman is giving away what she needs to sell, then that other woman is destroying her market ! This makes achieving security impossibly challenging (i.e., she'll need to support herself !) so therefore the slut must not be permitted !
Somehow, men have allowed themselves to be duped into believing that a woman who is not into sex is more desirable than one who is very into sex.
This is due to the unspoken “Sexual Cartel” which insists that women never make sex available for less than the value of security.
Women whose security relies on their having a reputation as “hard to get” must operate covertly in order to have the sex they want. Women who independently generate their own security (i.e. without requiring a man to support them) may do as they please ... but they still risk being decried publicly by other women for destroying their market.
So, in essence, a Porn Star or other Celebrity (like Pam Anderson, or Paris Hilton, or any other economically independent woman) can choose with whom they sleep without further fear of generating “a bad reputation.”
But what about all the hype about catching HIV and dying from AIDS ?!
As I've mentioned above, the chances of contracting something from a Sex Pro are minuscule, and if you were to come into contact with something nasty, most everything can either be immediately cured or ultimately suppressed with readily available medicines. A very good hygiene habit to cultivate is washing yourself thoroughly with plenty of hot water and soap immediately after every encounter. This will wash away any stray skin cells or anything else that may have viruses or bacteria which could eventually be accepted into your body. However, since that process is a slow one, washing immediately is advisable !
This will reduce your likelihood of catching anything by a tremendous amount ... and using condoms with strangers is every man's responsibility !
Also, though I am by no means advocating reckless behavior, the odds of a man contracting HIV through heterosexual sex even if the woman has AIDS, and you have intercourse (vaginal, oral, or anal) without a condom ... are about 2000:1 against.
I'll say that once more:
Your chance of infection is 2000:1 (.05%) against ... against ! ... contracting HIV, even if you have unprotected sex with a woman who has AIDS.
Obviously, it approaches zero if you use condoms, even if your partner is infected !
And of course, your likelihood of infection drops to none if your partner doesn't have HIV / AIDS ...
Check Table 1 (on page 9) of this this report from the Center for Disease Control for verification.
Thanks for reading, and I hope I've given you lots to think about and lots to apply in the Real World !
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19 comments
Mostly true, but...
Okay, first of all I totally agree with you for the most part, when it comes to the "damaged goods" or "sloppy seconds" attitude of society in general towards porn stars, strippers, and other unappologetically sexual women.
But...Lindsay Lohan? Paris Hilton? I'm sorry, but there's a flat out difference between enjoying sex without commitment and getting arrested for DUI every other week.
The media may "sensationalize" everything, but that's because SEX SELLS. And there is a whole OTHER class of women who take advantage of that NOT because they're "so into sex," but as a means of getting fame or attention. To say nothing of record label-manifactured pop idols like the Spice Girls, Britney Spears, and Lady Gaga, who put their sexuality on display solely as a means of selling records. These girls are absolutely no different, in my opinion, than the wives and girlfriends who trade their sexuality for "security." Porn stars, strippers and escorts are at least selling what they're advertising.
I also disagree that female movie stars or rock stars have their reputations "shot" in the same way that strippers or porn stars do. The fact that people can get their panties in a twist over Miley Cyrus hitting a bong proves that: when was the last time you heard a news scandal about a porn star using drugs? People expect that kind of behavior from porn stars, but not from TV and Hollywood stars (who are nevertheless selling their sex ... see above.)
I agree with you completely that there SHOULD NOT BE a difference, but the fact is, going out in public with Megan Fox on your arm is just not going to draw the same kinds of comments as going out with the girl from Big Black Cock Attack 3, in spite of the fact that both are basically who they are because of their sex appeal.
What you say is 100% true in itself, but it's only half the story.
Fair enough! :)
You're absolutely correct, mainstream "Celebrities" often consider themselves ABOVE the law, as well as disaffected by it - and this is what lands so many of them in such trouble! But the meaning behind the message I'm sharing is that EITHER WAY, whether they are otherwise "well-behaved" socially or not, they are not able to lead a "normal", "respectable" social life, because they are incapable of preventing the world from knowing their "score count".
I have plenty of experience with both 'mainstream' and 'underground' celebrities, and I have listened to enough complaints from the former to recognize that they live no better than the latter, when it comes to the court of public opinion!
I agree that AT LEAST the Porn Stars and escorts etc deliver what they put forward - at least professionally... But on their own time, they can afford to be (and tend to be!) enormously more selective and picky than their 'amateur' counterparts.
Johnny is such a fraud it's not even funny...
I can't believe this guy is still out there, spreading his "advice"...
Curious & playful vs. cocky & funny?
Come on, people like Wayne Elise have been preaching that "normal" way of talking to people vs. being a douche and trying to be cocky & funny for ages now... remember Wayne's "Interesting man is the one who is interested" saying? Yeah, 2004.
And all this sensationalism how he's slept with hundreds of porn stars over the last decade doesn't give him any validity as a teacher of any sort. If anything, you could teach guys how being part of the porn industry and having enough connections can work in your favor with airhead bimbos who are looking for work, connections, way in.
You can justify it to being curious and playful, and that might have worked in your favor, but at the end of the day, anyone with half the brain will realize that your ability to hook these girls up with their next gig (or three) or the right person in the industry was your way in.
It all boils down to this - what can an overweight, as far from decent looking and appealing man who wears hawaiian t-shirts all the time and has to resort to gimmicks like devil horns and LED belts to get attention... what can he possibly teach anyone about picking up girls who are not even attracted to a man like that?
Thank God for guys like Barry Kirkey (as crazy as he is) and Cameron Teone (who used to work with Johnny until he realized what a narcissist and a douchebag of a person he is) who cleared up a lot of bullsh1t behind most of these frauds like Johnny... because if they didn't, we'd still believe that being a mere facilitator counts as being an amazing pickup artist, seducer or womanizer or whatever Johnny wants to label himself as. However, in reality, having a paid porn participant girlfriend (no, she's not a pornstar, as much as she'd like to think that... she's just one of a million other girls willing to take cock on camera for money instead of do something else to make a living) going out and introducing you to other women, picking them up for you and you having to simply provide and facilitate an afterhours/crash pad for the party to continue at... that shit doesn't qualify you to provide ANY sound advice to anyone about seducing women.
What's even worse is that Cliff can't see past that obvious "defect" in Johnny's game and continues to push his programs and vouch for him for the cut he gets from referrals.
And anyone willing to pay $3,500 to a guy like Johnny who is going to try and instill his messed up mindset in your own head deserves to date damaged goods that most pornstars are. No, I still haven't met that many that are stable creatures with their head on their shoulders. And no, they don't fuck much better than a regular wild girl you'd pick up in a club or on the street, no matter what some fat guy who claims to have slept with hundreds of them tells you.
Johnny, got any pics to prove the claims? I heard you keep tons of pics of pretty much every minute of your life around... there's gotta be a few of these conquests around. Proof or shut the fuck up.
P.S. - I still haven't seen anyone (myself included) who can vouch to me that Johnny was able to intrigue and seduce/pick up a hot girl from scratch, in a club, on a street or at some event without his paid porn participant girlfriend doing most of the leg work. If that doesn't speak volumes, I don't know what does.
Thanks for your comment, Scorpio!
"I can't believe this guy is still out there, spreading his "advice"...
Yes, I can understand that. You are clearly FULL of limiting beliefs!
"Curious & playful vs. cocky & funny?
Come on, people like Wayne Elise have been preaching that "normal" way of talking to people vs. being a douche and trying to be cocky & funny for ages now... remember Wayne's "Interesting man is the one who is interested"
saying? Yeah, 2004."
I said "Playful & Confident" vs. "Cocky & Funny", actually.
(I believe I heard about 'Playful & Confident' from one of the Community 'Old Guard', "Stripped", from Europe.
It was an elegant way to describe something I've been teaching guys since 1992, although I think I first heard the term from him in 2006?)
"And all this sensationalism how he's slept with hundreds of porn stars over the last decade doesn't give him any validity as a teacher of any sort. If anything, you could teach guys how being part of the porn industry and having enough connections can work in your favor with airhead bimbos who are looking for work, connections, way in. You can justify it to being curious and playful, and that might have worked in your favor, but at the end of the day, anyone with half the brain will realize that your ability to hook these girls up with their next gig (or three) or the right person in the industry was your way in."
Here you demonstrate your complete misunderstanding of the porn business. In Porn, there is NO 'casting couch' whatsoever, and no one needs to have anyone 'help them in'... If a girl is sexy looking and willing to perform in front of the camera, all she needs to do is let someone know about it.
There are many well-established professional talent agencies in the US serving the Porno niche, and any woman who wants to give it a shot can literally walk in, or send photos over the 'net or by mail, and get started.
(LADirectModels.com AListTalent.com GoldStarModeling.com Type9models.com are just a few which spring to mind)
"It all boils down to this - what can an overweight, as far from decent looking and appealing man who wears
Hawaiian t-shirts all the time and has to resort to gimmicks like devil horns and LED belts to get attention...
what can he possibly teach anyone about picking up girls who are not even attracted to a man like that?"
THANK YOU for opening this up! :)
What I teach is, essentially, an holistically new and improved paradigmatic set
, which empowers men to achieve enduring Successfulness (the combination of Self-Satisfaction & Happiness) throughout the rest of their lives.
Furthermore, by tossing out fundamentally flawed and negative propositions like "Growing Up", "Settling Down", and "Fitting In" (all three of which describe personal abandonment!) and by learning to accept and appreciate yourself & others, you can achieve the presumably impossible combination of SECURITY AND FREEDOM at once!
Other massively powerful reframes include:
• How to FREE YOURSELF from the gripping constraints of peer-pressure (This is no mere childhood issue…it is much more profound than you could possibly imagine)
• How to liberate yourself from the ANXIETY OF NOT KNOWING, and empower yourself to learn new things, without compunction, shame, fear, or your ego's standing in your way!
• How to emancipate yourself from the belief that STRANGERS' OPINIONS MATTER!
• How to 'reframe' ANY conversation to ensure YOUR message is getting through! (Ultimately, the ability to calmly, happily, and confidently speak your truth and build communication-frames will become central to your interactions with others! We'll teach you how and why it works...blasting you far ahead of the curve!)
• How to communicate and present yourself with absolute integrity: Powerful without being forceful; Respectful without being supplicating; Masculine without being pushy; and Self-possessed without seeming arrogant.
• How to emancipate and empower women to make their own decisions without guilt or social stigma holding them back (including the decision to enjoy sleeping with you FOR FUN, without feeling 'slutty' or negative about it!)
And so many more incredibly powerful and urgent messages, I can't possibly write them here...
BUT you can check out some of my reference letters from my previous clients here:
Facebook.com/SeductiveReasoning :)
"What's even worse is that Cliff can't see past that obvious "defect" in Johnny's game and continues to push his programs and vouch for him for the cut he gets from referrals."
Cliff has *never* asked for - nor received - so much as a dollar from me for any of the countless referrals I have received from him. He refers people to me because he believes I can help them.
As simple as that.
"Johnny, got any pics to prove the claims? I heard you keep tons of pics of pretty much every minute of your life around... there's gotta be a few of these conquests around. Proof or shut the fuck up."
flic.kr/p/5qhbyX <- Here's a little video I shot with my cellphone of my first meeting with a delightful 21 year old in Norway a couple of years ago. You'd need to turn up the volume and listen carefully to our conversation!
She was at the club where I met her while she was ON A DATE with another guy, who was busy talking about sports with other drunks... and she and I began a very intriguing conversation (she's WICKEDLY bright, and we've remained friends, of course) so I maneuvered her to a quite part of the club, near the coat-check, so we could chat. When she admitted to me she couldn't leave with me ('cuz of her date) I told her I was ok with that, but I wanted to record her telling me naughty things, so I could have something to masturbate to when I got home alone... ;)
After I left, she phoned me and came over to get the attention she deserved, having concluded her date. :D
I was FINALLY alone for the first time in a week, having coached a dozen guys non-stop since the moment I'd arrived in Oslo, having just flown up from Berlin, where I had been teaching with Zan, Jamie Smart, and Steve P.
(Here's the page from Steve P's website schoolofstevep.com/tstdmg.html in which he and I are featured together, teaching about how to begin and maintain ongoing MLTR
s.)
There's also a few thousand more supporting photos in each of my photo albums below... Enjoy!
Flickr.com/photos/JohnnySoporno
Flickr.com/photos/wpi
Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy
P.S. I DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MESSAGE TO WHICH I AM RESPONDING - I did not either write it or have someone write it - the author is clearly a 'tard in his own right.
I don't know much about this
I don't know much about this guy, and as you can see, I didn't agree with everything he said.
But reading over what he has written here, frankly, a lot of it IS sound as far as the underlying female psychology behind it. I can't claim to have dated or ever even met a porn star, but I have known, been friends with, and dated strippers, and I can tell you that
1) Around 80% of them ARE damaged goods, as he said
2) The rest of them more free and confident about their sexuality than the average woman, largely as a result of having accepted the social stigma that goes with such a job
3) They have no interest in dating clients, and are used to guys only caring about their tits, so they do in fact appreciate and are impressed by guys who are not "swayed" by their chosen profession and can relate to them as ordinary people and show an interest in who they are underneath--which is actually true of ALL hot women
The only thing I would add to it is that many frequently are students or are doing this temporarily for some other reason, which can have a bearing on the way they deal with social attitudes (a girl in law school is less likely to flaunt her part-time job, for instance.)
So does Johnny have game? I don't know. Never seen him in action. But what he's written here looks solid to me. I've heard people majorly question Ross's game and Style's game, too, but nobody will argue that lots of guys have learned from them and had success.
Hey, everyone will have some
Hey, everyone will have some sound advice here and there... and I couldn't agree more on that being curious and playful vs. cocky and funny myself.
But... at the end of the day, both Ross and Neil are backstabbing conniving cunts, apparently, with Neil taking the cake (all coming from people close to them), so I question people's true intentions and character before I start taking their advice.
If you'd rather pay $3,500 to learn how to drive a Formula 1 car from any guy who says he can drive one, versus from an accomplished champion of sorts who has obviously perfected the craft, hey, that's your call... I prefer to take my advice from people who actually walk the walk, not just talk the talk and do something else behind your back to get the end result.
There are a few other things I've heard about Johnny that I'd rather not bring up here, as I don't have them confirmed 100%, but I'll just say this - when Barry Kirkey confronted him on the allegation that he brings girls back to his place and then gives them drugs while relaxing at his pad and then takes advantage of them, Johnny was visibly shaken and upset, as if someone found out something about him that they weren't supposed to find out. If that's even remotely true, everything Johnny has been praising and teaching is just pure b.s.... as he can't live up to it himself and has to resort to obvious cheating to get women.
Massive fail, right there.
Just saying...
WTF?! THIS IS TOTALLY & COMPLETELY FALSE!
"There are a few other things I've heard about Johnny that I'd rather not bring up here, as I don't have them confirmed 100%"
Uh huh.... But that clearly didn't stop you from posting this totally bogus and libelous tripe here, did it?
"but I'll just say this - when Barry Kirkey confronted him on the allegation that he brings girls back to his place and then gives them drugs while relaxing at his pad and then takes advantage of them, Johnny was visibly shaken and upset, as if someone found out something about him that they weren't supposed to find out."
FIRST: Barry Kirkey NEVER confronted me about any such thing at all. NEVER. He never confronted me about anything, to be honest. He never even told me what 'ominous thing' he had heard about me which had initially caused him to cancel our first interview appointment. He merely contacted me after the initial cancellation to admit that he was operating on hearsay which was OBVIOUSLY untrue, so would I mind coming in to do the interview after all?
Where did you hear this TOTAL BULLSHIT from?
(I had a pleasant-enough interview with Barry, despite his being a childish idiot through most of it, and asking questions of me that as soon as I began to speak, he drowned out with digital fart-noises...
I was happy with what I said on the show, and I got along quite well with his sidekick, who was quite bright and rational.
I think our being able to have an adult conversation genuinely alienated Barry, (although he never mentioned a word about it while I was there at his studio,) but I later heard second-hand that he felt condescended to because he didn't understand the Grade 5 vocabulary his sidekick and I were using. )
Secondly: I am COMPLETELY against recreational drugs, and don't even keep BOOZE at my place, nor will I even permit the smoking of ANYTHING in my home, even tobacco!
"If that's even remotely true, everything Johnny has been praising and teaching is just pure b.s.... as he can't live up to it himself and has to resort to obvious cheating to get women."
IT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY TRUE - Not in any sense, at all, period.
The very suggestion of it is INSANE - If I were to drug women and take advantage of them THAT WOULD BE CRIMINAL - yet I am a free man, able to cross international boarders several times a month.
C'mon, what kind of foolishness is this?
Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy
P.S. I ONLY preach what I practice - and I Walk my Talk on a full-time basis, every day of my life.
Smooth talking criminal,
Smooth talking criminal, eh?
Funny how you're on top of all these posts, like to a minute... don't you have anything better to do with your life but reframe obviously serious allegations into smart comments and remarks?
The whole email Cliff sent out went out mere hours ago, and you've already been all over these comments, keeping on top of the propaganda you spew out making sure it's working in your favor...
Again, smart remarks are just that... I know what I've heard and not from a single source either, hence I tend to have mixed opinions. As far as what you do at your place and whether you have any booze or recreational drugs there, I'll judge that when I see it myself (if ever, but I understand if you never ever extend the invitation over to me after these comments) - until then I'll assume you do.
And I never referred to drugging women & taking advantage of them in the terms of bar fly drugging and rape or anything like that... only in the "afterhours party favors" sense - as if you've never ever heard of a few interesting drugs coming out at an afterparty and those who consume them having a higher than normal arousal and tendency to resort to sex while under influence. Willingly, of course, but still under influence...
And I've seen what your "buddy" Cameron (who you used to work with) says about you and I tend to trust more realistic people like him who call spade a spade rather than smooth talking, well-versed and condescending people like yourself.
I guess that's just me...
p.s. - you don't deserve that Worthy Playboy title... Worthy Manipulator? Maybe....
Reveal, who the fuck are you ?
It's pretty easy for you to come out with all sorts of ridiculous comments about a guy you know nothing about, but before you make up stories or take here-say bullshit comments you heard from other guys (who are undoubtably jealous), why don't you try to prove Johnny wrong about what he is talking about?
And, just so you know, if you are anything like Mr. Kirkey, I can see why you might think the way you do.
Durango
thanks for playing - we have some lovely parting gifts for you..
"Funny how you're on top of all these posts, like to a minute... don't you have anything better to do with your life but reframe obviously serious allegations into smart comments and remarks?"
If you were ever to post anything substantial or significant, like my article here, you could just click on the option to be notified by email when someone writes a comment. Most people who post comments will be asking for clarification, or challenging suppositions, and I like to ensure I am understood clearly - so I do my best to respond when something comes up.
"Again, smart remarks are just that..."
Indeed. I endeavor to ensure ALL my words are smart, well-reasoned, accurate, and informative. Like any intelligent person would.
"I know what I've heard and not from a single source either, hence I tend to have mixed opinions."
You mean you have mixed opinions because you have heard different things from different people? A more practical approach might be to RESERVE JUDGEMENT until you have verifiable information... Thankfully, you are not authoritative at all, and have no power except to "Reveal" yourself as a non-credible reference.
"As far as what you do at your place and whether you have any booze or recreational drugs there, I'll judge that when I see it myself (if ever, but I understand if you never ever extend the invitation over to me after these comments) - until then I'll assume you do."
I believe there is a standard to Western society which suggests that a person is "Presumed innocent until proven guilty, beyond a shadow of a doubt?"
I suppose since I haven't been invited over to your place to see for myself that you removed the rotting baby carcases from your garage, and that the sliced-up nuns you had had in your deep-freezer are also mysteriously missing, I should simply presume that you have all the evidence of your gory and sickening pathology right where you left them?
Riiiight?
"And I never referred to drugging women & taking advantage of them in the terms of bar fly drugging and rape or anything like that... only in the "afterhours party favors" sense - as if you've never ever heard of a few interesting drugs coming out at an afterparty and those who consume them having a higher than normal arousal and tendency to resort to sex while under influence. Willingly, of course, but still under influence..."
Regardless, I don't have sex with people on dope, period. I don't have sex with women who have been drinking unless IN ADVANCE we agreed that this was the plan (for her to have a few drinks and then get seriously sex after).
I have WAY too much pride in my sex to waste it on people who won't be able to remember it!
"And I've seen what your "buddy" Cameron (who you used to work with) says about you and I tend to trust more realistic people like him who call spade a spade rather than smooth talking, well-versed and condescending people like yourself."
Cameron was a real disappointed for me. I spent a lot of money, time and energy on trying to help him get past his "pick up artist" dogma, and to help him become a real person, but it was obviously pointless. As for Cameron's propensity for using racist epithets, I don't have any experience with this, so I cannot comment.
Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy
I think more daggers will be coming out
Johnny, I don't need to tell you this, but since you do realize what you are up against (i.e.: the pickup community guys who are selling the bullshit), there will be more guys like this who will be slinging arrows at you.
The fortunate thing is that I don't know of anyone better who can stand up to them like a seasoned lawyer in a courtroom defending himself. There's a reason why the pickup community is like a bunch of con artists. I've met too many of them to know that this is absolutely true.
Durango
All right, let's take it as
All right, let's take it as you will, point by point...
"But that clearly didn't stop you from posting this totally bogus and libelous tripe here, did it?"
It's only bogus and libelous tripe if it's not true. And I don't see why people I've heard this from would make up any of it as they stand to gain nothing from it. As I said, I hold my opinions for a reason, and I stand to gain nothing here either.
"I had a pleasant-enough interview with Barry"
You might have had a pleasant interview, but he sure didn't (according to what HE said). And yes, he did call you a douche enough times for a reason. He's not a bad person or someone who would say enough negative stuff about people, but if he called you whatever he called you at a time, there's gotta be a reason. He's not that oblivious, you know.
"Cameron was a real disappointed for me. I spent a lot of money, time and energy on trying to help him get past his "pick up artist" dogma, and to help him become a real person, but it was obviously pointless."
That's what he said about you - a big disappointment. Even though he might still be in a somewhat of a pickup artist dogma, he's still down to earth and quite grounded (from what I could observe) and comments that came out of him about you, your entourage and bullshit you surround yourself with, they were quite something... again, he's had nothing to gain from making the comments that he did, so I take those quite seriously.
"You are clearly FULL of limiting beliefs!"
I like how you can make that judgement call from one comment by someone random on the interwebs. You are clearly a God himself.
"I said "Playful & Confident" vs. "Cocky & Funny", actually."
Case in point - you're a douche, making off topic smart remarks and comments when you've got nothing better to respond with on the topic itself.
"(I believe I heard about 'Playful & Confident' from one of the Community 'Old Guard', "Stripped", from Europe. It was an elegant way to describe something I've been teaching guys since 1992, although I think I first heard the term from him in 2006?)"
Ok, sure... you've been teaching guys what exactly since 1992? Nobody's even heard of you until a few years ago when you clearly saw the opening in this community and tried to cash in on your bullshit yourself. And do you have any documented proof of any of your theories or teachings being out there, somewhere else than in the privacy of your own home (ie. on the interweb) prior to, what, 2007 or something, when you came out on the scene in this wave of new age scam artists?
"What I teach is, essentially, an holistically new and improved paradigmatic set
, which empowers men to achieve enduring Successfulness (the combination of Self-Satisfaction & Happiness) throughout the rest of their lives. Furthermore, by tossing out fundamentally flawed and negative propositions like "Growing Up", "Settling Down", and "Fitting In" (all three of which describe personal abandonment!) and by learning to accept and appreciate yourself & others, you can achieve the presumably impossible combination of SECURITY AND FREEDOM at once! Blah blah blah blah..."
Blah blah blah... It all sounds great on paper, but in reality it can be explained and taught in a few minutes alone - how to actually have balls to do what you want with integrity and without stepping on other people's boundaries. If you need 7 days to teach that to guys, you might as well give up now.
"flic.kr/p/5qhbyX <- Here's a little video I shot with my cellphone of my first meeting with a delightful 21 year old in Norway a couple of years ago. You'd need to turn up the volume and listen carefully to our conversation!"
That girl is far from delightful (I'm sure she's a great person though). And one random conquest in the far away lands of Norway does not a playboy make.
"having just flown up from Berlin, where I had been teaching with Zan, Jamie Smart, and Steve P."
Woo-hoo. Again, big talk - you fly all over the world, big shot, you're teaching some courses with some random dudes who a bunch of other dudes worship for whatever reason. Doing a workshop with someone else on the bill doesn't make you any better or more special. Hell, that workshop you're holding in Las Vegas features two of the most ridiculous "new age" guru wannabes that have ever surfaced up - Erica and Fuji, both of who are as useless in real world as they can get. Hell, you affiliated yourself with Cameron a few years back and actively promoted him too, but now all of a sudden, that's not the case anymore, huh?
"(Here's the page from Steve P's website schoolofstevep.com/tstdmg.html in which he and I are featured together, teaching about how to begin and maintain ongoing MLTR
s.)"
Again, whoo-hoo!
"There's also a few thousand more supporting photos in each of my photo albums below... Enjoy! flickr.com/photos/JohnnySoporno"
Again, all I can see is pictures of you and your porn wannabe star girlfriend. Are you like seducing her on a regular basis and consider that a conquest every time you do it? I don't get it.
"It's pretty easy for you to come out with all sorts of ridiculous comments about a guy you know nothing about, but before you make up stories or take here-say bullshit comments you heard from other guys (who are undoubtably jealous), why don't you try to prove Johnny wrong about what he is talking about?"
I don't need to prove anything to him - he already knows it's true. I would just need to prove it to the rest of the world, as Johnny would obviously deny it (it doesn't help the reputation, I know). And people I heard this from weren't fueled by jealousy but by truth and the need to call spade a spade, as I am.
"Johnny, I don't need to tell you this, but since you do realize what you are up against (i.e.: the pickup community guys who are selling the bullshit), there will be more guys like this who will be slinging arrows at you."
Pickup artists who are selling the bullshit would never call Johnny out on stuff like this. If anything, they'd lie along in order to get some cred from Johnny and maybe do some collaboration programs, sell more DVDs and part more poor souls from their money.
What Johnny and douchebag pickup artist wannabes (like Fuji, Erica and others) will need to worry about in the future is people exposing them for frauds that they are. I stand to gain nothing from this (as obviously I haven't advertised any of my "services" or anything like that instead), but I do want the truth to get out there so that guys around the world are not being sucked into these bullshit promised and marketing hype that Johnny and others are throwing their way.
You've clearly missed the boat! There's still time!
@Reveal: Your feeling of wanting to protect new students is misplaced and immature. How are you supposed to help them be rational, scientific, honest and good if you conduct yourself in this way? You're using the opinions of others and the hearsay of people we don't know to attack someone you can't even comprehend!.You accused Cliff of taking money, you were proved wrong, but you don't back down at all. People like you are acidic and unwanted!
I'll just say what we're all thinking. Johnny has gone out of his way to keep the peace, and all you've done is make us sick to our stomachs with your neanderthal-like reasoning skills. Please, stop poisoning messageboards. Honor, diplomacy and respect. I haven't been around this community for years and forgot how sick some people are in it until I read your posts.
@Johnny It's a great post. I think that there are porn stars/vixens within most girls. It's totally the case that the more immature among us try to stiffle or limit this part of their psyches from expressing themselves. I'll never forget when my girlfriend started getting more and more liberated. Instead of the girl I felt safe with, she was suddenly as hot and hard to keep as the wildest women I've met. Thanks to a little bit of enlightened thinking, I moved to embrace it, instead of being threatened. Even if that would have helped me keep her, I realized that the only reason I didn't want her to be that ferocious was that I was afraid I wasn't up to the challenge. We got along so much better after that.
The IRONY!
I find it ironic that every time Johnny is given any type of glorification for his work that you, the "competitor's" jump all over his work and accuse HIM of not having anything better to do with his time when he responds. Pot calling the kettle black? I'd would definitely say so! Clearly, all of you could best be spending your own time improving your own businesses rather than worrying about what Johnny is doing, whether you agree with his techniques or not! Sheesh, even professional sex trade workers are NOT this catty.
Any time I have corresponded with Johnny, he has been nothing but respectful, courteous and mindful, he has never once flirted with me, come on to me or made me feel the least bit uncomfortable during our discussions. And that is how a REAL MAN conducts himself, you all do nothing, but paint yourselves as being childish, attention grabbing whores. What sad lives you all must lead! How can you preach or teach any of us to be comfortable in our sexuality when you are conducting yourselves in this manner? Start taking a look in the mirror and judging yourselves for your own imperfections, because we are all human and we all error and it is our own place to correct those errors not anyone elses.
Now before any of you "so called men", try to accuse me or Johnny of something unscrupulous, know this, Johnny has not had any sexual relations with me of any kind, nor has he offered to compensate me for my statement here. Sounds a bit like your tactics given the history of commentary I have seen from some of you. KNOW this, Johnny has been welcomed with open arms to the mainstream marketing industry (I know because I work in it) and he will continue to thrive with our help, unlike the rest of you. We don't like drama or ficticious commentary being made about people in our circles.
Regards,
Squirting Milf
I could't have said it better
Hey Milf
, as much as there are self-indulgent idiots out there, just thank your stars when you meet guys who do actually have class. Johnny is in that upper echelon of well-spoken, respecting and respectable people.
He knows that he will have the daggers coming out because he is creating a movement against the pick up community that has become vast because of jerks who feed off the exploitation of others - men and women.
There are just too many guys who don't have the where-with-all and capability to even comprehend what the hell Johnny is talking about what he is trying to create. The unfortunate thing is that he is way over a lot of peoples' heads - which is too bad for them because they will never see the delight in their lives as a result.
I've seen mine and have never been happier. I am so thankful I met Johnny when I did. I was at the end of my leash with the community and found a way to get happy- for real.
Thanks Johnny and Happy New Year!
Durango
Question
Johnny: I actually work in the biz (porn) and meet some of these starlets every now and then. The fact that I'm close to the execs and production people at the company has given me an inside track into the industry. Word here, especially from the guys that come into contact with the girls is, stay the fuck away from them. Not only are they mentally screwed and usually into hard drugs, but the STD's are rampant as well. AIDS/HIV are tested for, bu then you have the clap, gono, warts and all of them are believed to carry genital herpes for which the industry doesn't test. In fact, their attitude towards herpes is "you're going to get it anyway,..."
I'll be honest, these chicks are fucking gorgeous and I'd bang one of these broads in a heartbeat. I think all of us would. But the thought of flare-ups for life scares me off. It's just not worth it. Besides, if you saw what the editors cut out of raw scenes, you'd swear off porn for good. Think about the meat-lover visiting the sloughterhouse for the first time and you'll get the idea.
Heh heh - Dagger, I know where you're coming from... :)
I've been in industry insider for more than 20 years now, and I've heard similar refrains from the majority of the Industry Execs - and particularly from Producers/Directors....
It's conspicuous to note that THOSE GUYS are generally stranded in a traditional model of male-female roles and relations, and overwhelmingly hold the performers in contempt, simply because they have opted to earn their living by having sex for money.
Surely, many of the performers are a mess - BUT so are the vast majority of particularly sexually desirable women in ANY industry, (including college students, etc) because society is really screwed up about such women.
As for casual STDs, random hookups are ENORMOUSLY more likely to contract something, and to pass it on to you, than are sex professionals. Most 'civilians' have little or no clue what to look out for, and are enormously more likely to INTENTIONALLY get drunk or stoned so they have an excuse for having sex - and therefore, their ability to critically reason to avoid STDs is impaired, too!
Genital Herpes affects about 20% of sexually active Americans, and that number continues to rise... In the Skin Trade, virtually everyone who knows they are prone to outbreaks uses Valtrex, (because they can't afford NOT to, since they can't work if they have any symptoms!) which reduces incidents of outbreaks to nearly nil. This actually makes them significantly LESS like to transmit something to you, even from non-condom sex, than some random non-industry pick-up who has recently gotten over a flare-up, so doesn't feel she needs to mention it!
Sex in porn is NOT like sex for fun, generally... that's why the performers are WORKING, and deserve to be paid and appreciate for making something which is essentially NOT fun look so appealing! (Also, thanks to all the editors out there! ;)) so watching the stuff off the cutting-room floor is not something I'd recommend, either!
So......
With that said....would you slep with a porn starlet. The main thing that scares me off is these girls working with the gay-for-pay guys that do queer flicks as well and on that side, it is said there is no HIV testing. It's fucked up because these girls are knockouts. The ones I caht with every now and then are also incredible in the personality department too. Dammit.
I agree wholeheartedly with the latter third of this piece....
You make a lot of valid points throughout the piece, but I particularly agree with what you said about women looking down on other women who fuck for free. I talked about this at the Direct Approach Dating Summit in London, England last November (2010).
Sometimes, women are more quick to call another a woman a "slut" and/or a "ho" than a man will. Why? For the reasons that Johnny pointed out. Women who trade sexual companionship for financial security, financial favors and financial compensation HATE women who give up the pussy for free. They literally cannot stand that. They believe pussy is a form of currency.