2008/10/30

More Businessmen are Being Jailed Due to This Than Ever

Sasha hates to run, and uses that to his advantage in the second part of his day game opening guide. David Shade gives us the three truisms of mental foreplay. Cory Skyy teaches guys not to get numbers, and Persian Player seduces a girl with a cigar (no, you haven't heard this story before.) Also, paper-pushing tax officer, or sleek, highly-skilled agent busting corporate criminals? It's all in how you present yourself, says Ice Dragon. And Greggarious gives his thoughts on a juicy topic. Squirting leads to enlightenment? Just like in the fairy tales!


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Index To This Edition of Cliff's List
Event Announcements
- Spidey: Waking Dreams
- Cory Skyy: Body Language Training Session

Freebies
- Frank Kermit: How To Run A Successful Non-Commercial Lair
- The Men's Room
- Art's Free Wingman Service

Articles & Content
- SashaPUA: Sasha's Semi-Ultimate Day Game Opening Guide: Part 2 of 3
- David Shade: “Mental Foreplay”
- Persian Player: LRLook up this term: Law School Chicks Are Horny
- Cory Skyy: How to Make Things Happen with Women
- Ice Dragon: How Can I Convey an Interesting Personality?
- Greggarious: Star Fire Essence

A Few New Promos
- WingLook up this term Girls: How to Become the Man Women Want
- Zan Perrion: Ars Amorata
- David Shade: Bring Out Her Inner Slut
- David van Arrick: Secret Orgasm Tips
- Hypnotica: Inner Ascention
- Brent: Monthly Podcast
- Ghita: Montreal Angel WingLook up this terms

Event Announcements
Spidey:
Spidey is Back! He is really ready to spoil his fans this time around! Spidey's new show is filled with his best all-new creative and hilarious hypnosis acts. If you were amazed by the "Power of the Subconscious" and mesmerized by "Out Of My Mind," "Waking Dreams" will be phenomenal! Come see the man who has toured America and the Caribbean. Watch dreams come to life November 8th and 9th, 2008 7:30PM-9:30PM (doors open at 6:30pm, first come first serve) at the Vanier College Auditorium, 821 avenue Sainte-Croix, Saint-Laurent (Quebec) H4L 3X9 Price: $20 General Admission For more information, visit Spidey's website at www.spideymagic.com, or contact: Kevin Cruz Antunes, 514-813-3758, spidey.hypnosis@gmail.com

Cory Skyy:
Cory Skyy's formula for getting women to approach you with only body language and eye contact is finally available as a "hands-on" live training session where he will work with you one-on-one! Cory Skyy is currently offering a one-day body language training session for only $499! Cory only wants guys who are ethical and have a strong desire to learn how to become a sexually desirable man. The date: Saturday, November 15, 2008. Be sure to mention that you heard about this from Cliff's List! www.badboywithaheart.com/promo/bodyLanguage.php

FREEBIES:
Frank Kermit:
Frank did a lecture recently for all those who are interested in becoming moderators or Lair leaders in the future. This is a multiple part lecture where the first three sections are already available for free downloading (mp3s) with more to be posted shortly at www.FBKradio.com.

Mark Sparks:
The Men’s Room is a talk show for men exploring the topics of dating, relationships and sex. Each week a new episode airs featuring field experts and industry professionals offering their advice and experience to men who are looking for the inside scoop on women. The show is intended to provide information that is otherwise hard to attain by exploring taboo and unspoken issues that prevent men from meeting and attracting woman as well as developing and maintaining healthy relationships and sexual techniques. It’s the missing link in a world of Cosmo magazines, overbearing mothers, and bad information. Welcome to the Men’s Room. www.mensroom.tv/

Art:
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ARTICLES & CONTENT BEGIN HERE:
SashaPUA (www.sashapua.com/):
Sasha's Semi-Ultimate Day Game Opening Guide: Part 2 of 3

Hey hey! Welcome to part 2 of Sasha’s Semi-Ultimate Day Game Opening Guide.

Last week, I covered some popular non-game openers that should be avoided. This week, let’s get started on what does work! Now, as promised, here’s my little recipe…

Key ingredients in a Direct Day Game Opener:

A) Getting her attention straight away
B) Letting her know she’s hot
C) Having fun with it
D) Being in the moment
E) Being non-outcome dependent

Now let’s go through those....

Getting her attention

So getting her attention right away I’ve mentioned already. This is a very important point. You bore her, she walks away. It’s that simple.

Letting her know she’s hot

The next point is letting her know she’s hot. Again, once I found direct game there was no going back for me...I absolutely love it. In some situations it will work against you, perhaps. But for day game pickup, I think it’s tremendous, and it cuts out a lot of bullshit. It saves you time also. If the woman just isn’t up for it, she’ll tell you.

Having fun with it

This is probably THE most important thing for me in ANY pickup. If you’re not having fun, what are you doing talking to this woman? Sure if you’re going purely direct and approaching her for sex, that can work. That DOES work. But that is much more advanced stuff, and for most guys, not the best place to start day game. By having FUN with your pick ups, you can get in state and really ENJOY the whole experience. Even if you want to be super direct, being entertaining along the way can be a great help!

Being in the moment

This amounts to two things. First, just going with whatever comes into your head. If you want to say something, it’s probably the right thing to say. Don’t hold back. Don’t be afraid of offending or scaring the woman off. Obviously if you keep saying the same things and they aren’t working, it may be time to figure out what you’re doing wrong and change that. But, as a rule, don’t be scared to say what’s on your mind.

Second, it means really LISTENING to what the girl is saying. I have this problem myself. The girl is talking, and I get all these ideas of where I could take things next and I blurt them out. It’s hard…so really LISTEN! If you had something good to say, you’ll probably remember it when she stops talking! If you need a moment to recall, just stall! You can get your mouth moving before your brain catches up! E.g., “Wow that’s really interesting what you were saying about dolphins…” It will come back to you!

Being non-outcome dependent

If you’re only talking to the girl with the intent of trying to get her number, she’ll be able to tell. Your outcome should be to have an interesting conversation. To get to know her! If you really take interest in HER, and THAT is the reason you’re getting her number – well that’s a different story! So don’t worry about getting those digits. Worry about enjoying the MOMENT!

Let’s look at some of my favourite openers and why they are effective. Shall we start with an easy one?

“Heeeey…(look of recognition/confusion)…I don’t know you at all, do I? Hi, I’m Sasha.”

This one certainly grabs their attention. Once they realise what you’re doing, those girls with a sense of humour will appreciate the cheekiness of it. It’s simple and effective. This one is great because you can easily let her know that you fancy her afterwards: “Alright. It’s all a lie. I saw you from over there – I thought you were so cute and I just had to come talk to you.”

Another version involves saying, “Ok, I see you’re trying to recognise me. Don’t worry, you don’t know me! I just thought you were really cute and I thought I’d come over and meet you. My name is...”

But for guys who prefer going indirect, you can transition to whatever you like from here. For example, “Hey! I see you’re trying to recognise me. Don’t worry, you don’t know me. Hi, I’m Sasha. Who are you?”

Here’s one of my favorites! Probably to this day the most effective opener I’ve come up with (as far as I know.) It’s so good I actually kept it secret for awhile…

Sasha: "Hey, I think you owe me an apology...."
HBLook up this term: "Why....?"
Sasha: "You made me run all the way from over there to tell you that I think you are absolutely stunning. I'm a lazy guy. I was there chilling with my friends. I didn't want to have to run, I'm allergic to running, haha!"
This is a very powerful opener.

Do you see why? When is the last time you think this gorgeous woman had a stranger walk up to her and tell her that she owed him an apology for being so hot? It’s pretty ballsy. It’s outrageous, it's funny - but most importantly – it’s DIFFERENT!

As soon as you say "Excuse me, I think you owe me an apology," they are shocked and think they've bumped into you or stepped on your foot or something. This is doubly as effective with English girls, as everyone in Britain is brought up to be ultra polite. They always ask why. In a way it kind of lowers their value like a shotgun neg, because they think they've messed up somehow – however, this is unintentional, as my goal was just to get them to STOP!

Then you hit them with a genuine compliment and it blows their minds. I've had great success stopping girls on the street this way.

Also, this opener is DIRECT – you’re telling them that they are HOT right there in the beginning...and THEN you’re being funny! (I’m allergic to running!) Not only that, you’re mentioning your friends (value) and also you’re subcommunicating a LOT here. You CHASED after her. You’re a man who GOES AFTER what he wants. Do you see that? I love it!

Ok, guys, that’s enough for now! I don’t want your heads to explode from all the giggles! I hope you enjoyed part two! Next week: Honesty in openers. Yea, you heard me! You’re going to be telling women the one thing you thought it might be better to avoid. THE TRUTH!


David Shade ( masterful-lover.com/sexualpower/):
“Mental Foreplay”

This article applies in the context of an ongoing sexual relationship. Typically, men feel a great deal of sexual frustration in their relationships. Every night that he and his woman go to bed, he is hoping and praying that she will want sex. He turns to her, but she rejects his advances. A pattern has been setLook up this term. Going to bed means he is going to want sex. In that case, sex is assumed. She knows that sex is a given. She is only going to do it if she feels like it, but nothing has been done to make her feel like it. That is boring for her, and frustrating for him. It continually reduces her interest in sex. You must not wait until going to bed to start seducing your woman. Once in bed, it is too late. Instead, you must always be seducing her. Seduction goes on all the time. This is done with "mental foreplay."

This concept of "mental foreplay" is the convergence of three important truisms:
1) Women want foreplay
2) Sexuality for women is entirely mental
3) Everything between your and your woman is sex

First to elaborate on those three points:

1) Women want foreplay. You've heard this before. It has been said countless times. Everyone knows it, but so few men do it. Women complain that her man just goes straight for intercourse without even warming her up. This does not mean that women don't like an occasional quickie. They do, but certain things first need to be true before she is receptive to that. I will explain later in this article. A big mistake that men make is they wait until going to bed to start foreplay. That gets boring for women. She doesn't want sex to be assumed. And worse, it makes her feel objectified; she feels like she is perceived as just a body, not as a person. Don't wait until going to bed to start foreplay. Throughout the day you must use "mental foreplay."

2) Sexuality for women is entirely mental. It has been said that for men, sex is sex, but for women, sex is everything else. There's a lot of truth to that. For a woman, sex must include so much more than just intercourse. For her, it is very much mental and emotional. Consider the fact that men download porn while women read 400 page romance novels. This does not mean that women aren't horny. They are horny. More precisely, they are very sexual. More so than men, and far more so than most men can comprehend. Sexuality for a woman is vitally important. Of course, we are considering the mentally and emotionally healthy woman, to whom you should restrict yourself. A few women of very low self-esteem or emotional trauma will not respond in healthy ways, though deep down inside they truly are sexual. It's just that they will behave in ways that seem to defy logic.

3) Everything between your and your woman is sex. First, let's define some terms here. Most people think of foreplay, followed by sex. But in actuality, foreplay is sex. That's why it's called "oral sex." When people use the term sex, they usually mean intercourse. Intercourse is only one of the many things included in sex. Think in a new way. Anything that you and her do to each other while naked in the bedroom is sex. Actually, you don't have to be naked, and you don't have to be in the bedroom. You could be masturbating her while you two are at the movies. So really sex is anything that you and her do to stimulate each other's genitals. Actually, you don't have to be stimulating her genitals. You could be sitting with her at a restaurant and simply command her to have an instant orgasm on command. That is sex. So sex is basically anything that sexually stimulates her. There are many things that sexually stimulate her. You could be narrating a sexual fantasy to her. That stimulates her sexually. So simply narrating a fantasy is sex. You could be telling her how you are going to make mad passionate love to her when you get her home. That stimulates her sexually. So simply mentally preparing her for sex is sex. There are many ways that you mentally prepare her for sex. You mentally prepare her for sex when you tell her that she looks beautiful to you. So by definition that could be considered sex. I could go on. But basically, everything is sex.

All of the things discussed above are done using "Mental Foreplay." Inside the bedroom, foreplay is physical. Outside the bedroom it must be mental. A woman once said, "If a man can fuck my mind, he can have me." She is articulating the mental aspects of female sexuality as "mind fuck." Let us instead refer to it in a less derogatory way as "mental sex." This goes back to my concept that "everything is sex." Furthermore, foreplay is sex, so thus it follows that "mental foreplay" is "mental sex." Backing all the way up, we see that mental sex begins with seduction.

Seduction must go on all the time. You must at all times be seducing your woman in some manner. It may be subtle, it may be obvious. But it must always be taking place. Women absolutely love being seduced. They love the way it feels. They feel beautiful and sexy. They feel desired. They get to feel all the things that women love to feel. And it results in them wanting to celebrate that. Even in an ongoing relationship, a woman wants to be seduced by her man. Always keep an air of sensuality. When your woman thinks of you, she must think thoughts of being seduced.

You can even do this when you two are apart. A great way is to send her text messages. They may be innocent messages with sexual innuendos, or they may be blatantly sexual. Here is a generic example from a secret journal I kept during my recent 2 1/2 year relationship. It starts innocent and works up to blatant. At this point in the journal, I had been dating Anne for 3 months, and I had been giving her wild screaming orgasms. We were together Thursday night, and were going to be together again Saturday night. Friday, while she was at her work and I was at my work, I text messaged her:

Anne: Hi Handsome!
David: Hi Beautiful. You looked so beautiful to me last night.
Anne: :) You looked pretty hot yourself!
David: You felt so wonderful in my arms, Baby.
Anne: It felt wonderful to be held by you, Baby.
David: I cannot wait to see you tomorrow, Baby.
Anne: I can't wait to see you too! I still haven't decided what to wear!
David: I can't wait to see what you have selected. You always look so beautiful to me.
Anne: You always make me feel beautiful, David.
David: You always make me want you so badly, Anne.
Anne: I want you too, Baby, badly. I've been thinking about you all day!
David: Have you been thinking about how badly you want me to make love to you?
Anne: Yes!
David: Tell me how badly you need me to make love to you.
Anne: David, I so badly need you to make mad passionate love to me!
David: Tell me how badly you need to be fucked by me.
Anne: David, I so badly need to be fucked by you!
Now to talk about the conditions for your woman being receptive to a quickie. If you do all the things I have described in this article, she is always going to want you. She will be very receptive to a quickie. In fact, you want to do that occasionally. For her it is very exciting. But only if you have been seducing her all along. A seduced woman can be sexually aroused just as quickly as a man. In fact, even faster when she has been continually and properly seduced.

In conclusion: never make your woman do anything sexual. Instead, bring her sexuality out in her. Never push your woman to do something. Instead, always lead your woman mentally to want it. Lead her mind, and let her body beg to follow. Make her hungry for it, and then when you feed her, satisfy her beyond what she even knew she was capable of, thus leaving her even more hungry for the next time.


Persian Player
LRLook up this term: Law School Chicks Are Horny

I know a lot of us are currently at school and it's by far one of the BEST places to meet women. I'm talking classmates.

For 2 years, I've been trying to understand the difference between gaming at school and making cold approaches. The latter I've gotten very good at. Pulling and closing from the streets, the bus, the metro, the park...all of them very possible but not the most likely. In other words, guys who will go out to clubs and hang around drunk chicks have a MUCH better chance of hooking up than those spending their days doing day game.

So seriously, all of those who are going through day approaches, I can't find a word to encourage you other than: RESPECT. Learning to game sober during the day is by far the most invaluable quality you can develop. It'll be with you all your life.

This is another one of my classmates at school. She's really cute, but quite frankly, like I wrote in another report, the mindset at school should always be: "Be very sweet and nice to everyone, but occasionally throw in some playful cocky/funny lines." The reason you have to be nice is that all these people will soon be my associates, co-workers, etc.

For example, the girl this report is about will—I don't have the slightest doubt about it—be a taxation lawyer. Those guys bill 400$/hour. It's good to have connections. So "practicing" game at school is something I did during my first year and I pulled no chicks. You can't game like you game in the street or in the clubs. Everything has its time and place.

At school, be nice to everyone. Yes, be nice. Be what you call AFCLook up this term. I don't think any of the guys in the lair are AFCLook up this term even if they are nice, simply because they are very aware of social dynamics.

The second part of the equation is to add a little bit of cocky/funny to the mix simply to keep reminding the girl that she's talking to a man, and not just a friend.

But the most important thing of all, BE YOURSELF. These people see you everyday and you can't POSSIBLY be in a great mood everyday. Does it matter? Fuck no. No human being is always happy. Everyone has good days and bad days, and if the chick can't understand that, you probably don't want to hook up with her anyway.

Another important thing is that you present the interaction to her as "friendship."

Let me get into the details of this and I'm sure it'll be useful to many university/college students. I want to see people getting inspired by this and hopefully getting even more success than myself.

She's in 2 of my classes. The first time I spoke to her was in class. We both had that feeling we knew each other from before. I began making small talk, and the only thing I DIDN'T speak about was school. If she brought up academic stuff, I would speak about it just a bit and shift the conversation to something more fun right away, such as: flavored cigars, salsa, traveling, Disney world, Sex and the City, etc. Chicks like talking about this stuff, so talk about it.

I see her a week later and just greet her. Then about a week after that, I see her as I'm coming up the stairs and I automatically think, "Great time to start touching." She's not wearing heels and she's like 5'4, such a shorty, but such a cutie. I get close to her and say, "You're so short today, what's going down?" She says, "I don't have heels today," and she blushes. I put my arm around her and pull her in and say, "You like a lil gangsta today, shorty but deadly." She laughs.

I instantly felt her attraction amp up. It's funny how much of a role physical touch plays.

That evening, she sits next to me in class, asking, "Is the seat next to you taken?" I say, "No, it's for you." Again, at school, no need to be a prick. Be sweet.

After class, we keep talking. I tell her to come with me because I want to show her something. It was a peach cigar I had bought in the States. We smoke it together.

I had a car that day because I had to do a few things for my parents. So I ask her if it would be useful if I drop her off somewhere on my way. She said "YEAH." Very happy.

I ask her where she lives and she tells me. I tell her I can give her a lift there since she has a cold, but on one condition: she has to show me her place for 3 minutes because I'm curious. She complies.

We get to her place, I tell her I'm sleepy and right away jump onto her bed. She says, "You're much too comfortable." I say, "Yeah, I'm that way." I don't go for the make-out or anything sexual. Just playful talk. I think, "I'm going to see this chick every week, better play it slow." I tell her I have to go and I give her a hug. She gives me a hug but doesn't let go. She triangular gazes me. I think of Cliff at this moment (lol) so I make sure not to kiss her, and, in Cliff's words, "torment the shit out of her." I tell her, "I'm trying so hard not to kiss you right now, but I don't want us to go too fast." Boom, I vanish. But before I leave, I give her my card, which has my name, my number and my email on it.

Obviously, I get a text that night, saying, "Thanks for the lift, drive safely, sweet dreams xx."

I see her the next week at school and we have two classes together with a 3 hour break in between. She suggests we go grab something to eat during our break. I tell her I'm down, but then we gotta go relax at her place for like 1-2 hours before class. She agrees. Nothing to feel guilty about, I've been to her place before and didn't try to turn things sexual.

We go to her place first. We just chill a little bit. I show her some bachata videos on YouTube. She doesn't know how to dance so I teach her the basic steps (obviously to get closer physically...and, well, also because I love bachata.)

I kiss her because she obviously wants it. She's using more tongue than I am. We kiss a little more and then I stop.

I right away bring up the topic of our interaction. I ask her what she's looking for when she meets a man at this point in her life. She says, "Nothing." I say “Great, me neither.” The important thing for me is honesty, trust and respect. The only thing I expect from her is her good energy when she's around. She agrees. She says, "I'm so glad you brought this up so honestly." I tell her it's important to be honest with each other because we don't want to hurt each other. I tell her a story about a girl who once thought just because we slept together it meant we were in a relationship. I usually tell the girl so that she knows that relationships with a guy like me are something that take time.

We go to class that evening. I make sure there is 0 public display of affection. The frame being, at school all the women are friends I respect. Some I sleep with, some I don't. The only important thing is I respect all of them and none of them are my girlfriend. There are a few like that right now. And if they meet, I introduce them as my friends.

I knew I would have Thursday off, so that meant no class with her. So I call her up at 11 PM on Wednesday and we talk for about an hour. I ask her to come hang out tomorrow. She readily agrees.

She's on time and calls me when she gets to the metro. I tell her to walk to my place because I'm still wet from my shower. She walks here, she rings my apartment door and I open up. She comes upstairs.

As soon as she walks in, I tell her, “We're leaving soon, so don't take your shoes off.” Ironically, she says "No problem, I'll put them back on,” and she sits on my bed. Women are funny. Tell them what NOT to do and they'll do it at the blink of an eye.

I show her a few funny videos. I ask her if she's had dinner. She says no. I tell her I know this good place. It's a real cozy place very close to my apartment.

By the way, the waitress there knows that every single time I have a date, I take them there. She's seen me with hundreds of chicks. It's disgusting, once when I was there I gamed one of the waitresses and then made out with her later. And that waitress told the other waitress, so they have this really bitchy look on their faces when I walk in with a different chick every time. But whatever, they've got good pizza and I love sharing food with a girl. It's cute lol.

So we eat. Then we have some mint tea (which is customary in Moroccan and Algerian cultures) and we leave.

I ask her if she'd rather go walk on the Mont-Royal or go watch a movie. She wants to go watch a movie (in my head I know..."She wants to have sex." I give her a compliance test with a non-seduction and a seduction location, and she opts for the seduction location.) We go to my place.

The rest is really normal. If you read my old LRLook up this terms, it's typical stuff.

I pop in a movie so boring that it literally makes you feel like shooting the TV down. I fix a shisha. Then I linearly escalate. She's fucking awesome, when you're inside, she puts her legs around you 360 and squeezes you so hard you can hardly breather. But it's all good, because I love psycho sluts. After sex, we hug a lot and I talk again about my frame of "just friends who respect each other and are there for each other."

There is just one thing I always have a problem with during sex.

1. Let's say you've gotten to the point of fingering the girl, what do you do next? Do you just grab your condom and put it on? Do you ask her if she wants you inside her? Basically, how do you make the transition smooth?

2. If you want her to give you a blowjob and she's only giving you a handjob after you've placed her hand on your dick, once again, how do you smoothly transition into a blowjob? Do you shove her head on your cock or do you just ask for it?

Somehow, I'm still not fully comfortable with these 2 elements relating to sex.

I'm hoping I'm going to have some of the more experienced guys tell me how they naturally move things along once you've started fingering. I feel like I'm just thinking too much, but I'd really appreciate advice.

As for the report, I hope you all found some useful information here.


Cory Skyy (www.coryskyy.com):
How to Make Things Happen with Women

I’ve noticed something about a lot of instructors who teach guys questionable methods to meet and date women.

They teach control.

What do I mean by that? They want guys to believe that the way to make things happen with a woman is to control every situation.

For example, many instructors teach guys how to get a girl’s phone number, commonly known as a “#- close,” and they teach guys to get it as fast as possible.

That’s B.S. thinking.

Because at the end of the day, the sexually desirable guy that just lets things happen may get less numbers but ends up with four times as many women…and the connection that he has with these women is extremely hot.

In fact, I teach guys not to get numbers, but rather to build such a sexually charged connection during the interaction that she can’t help but give you her number without your even asking for it. This is the real way.

This goes against “community” thinking because there is a misguided belief that getting a number is the same as generating a sexually charged connection.

The “community” also teaches that women do not call guys. But I know for a fact that if you present yourself as a sexually desirable guy who has a magnetic mindset, you can give your number to a woman. Women do call and text guys day and night. This is commonplace for my students.

Another example is talking too much. It is “community” dogma to control the conversation with a girl by talking endlessly, whether you use rehearsed routines or not.

Again, B.S. thinking.

Ultimately, a woman wants to qualify herself to a man. She does not want a man qualifying himself to her, which is what most guys do when they talk too much.

Women love talking about themselves. Why should we take that away from them? Shut up and listen. Some of the hottest interactions I’ve had with women have been hour-long conversations with me saying only five words. It’s an easy way to build sexual chemistry.

Guys want a clear A-B-C road map for success with women, but I’m going to be in your face with this…it doesn’t work like that. There is no formula for interacting or communicating with women. Women are emotional beings. I don’t care how smart we think we are. For us to think we can speak rationally or logically to an emotional being is pure ignorance on our part.

But A-B-C thinking is what’s making the bankrolls of many pick up companies fat—attempting to teach guys that you can control each and every situation with either the right line or the perfect routine.

The reality is, we don’t have absolute control of anything. The way to make things happen is to let things happen.

Let it happen.


Ice Dragon (www.TipsForDatingLadies.com):
How Can I Convey an Interesting Personality?

You have to create your own identity, so that you have something to be passionate about and talk about, and girls can then build a picture of you, and differentiate you from other guys.

Whatever you do, you have to love it and be passionate about it. If you can’t think how you can be passionate about your job, email me and tell me what you do – I will show you how you can be passionate about your life.

Real life examples:

Sensual's Job:

I am not in computing, though I use a computer. I have passed all management accounting exams, but I work as a "Customer Investment Analyst" for a mobile phone network.

Basically, I provide analysis on costs of handsets that we buy and sell out to channels (i.e. shops, web, etc.) We do this at a loss so we can recoup the revenue later from calls & texts.

Sensual's Job – retold by IceDragon:

I studied accounting at university, although “number-crunching” was not what I really wanted to do. However, I've always been focused and driven throughout my life. I never do things halfway, so I stuck at it, and completed my studies. I decided to use my degree and knowledge to make a difference, and work in a field which is relevant to everyone.

Let me see your mobile phone.

*take girl's mobile phone*

This looks like the latest model. How much did it cost you? Have you ever wondered why it's so cheap, when you take into account the technology that went into producing it?

Let me see, MP3 player, camera, web-browser, radio, there is thousands of pounds worth of technology in this little beauty.

This is such a cool phone - my ex-girlfriend had the model before this.

So, this phone was free? Haha!

That's my job. I analyse the costs of mobile phones. We sell our handsets to retail outlets, shops, websites, etc. But I bet you're wondering how we make money by virtually giving away phones?

Yes, you've guessed it, we recoup our money from the phone calls and texts that you make.

Here, I want to show you some cool photos on my phone . . . *put your hand on her shoulder*

Yata's Job:

I work as an admin officer at Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, basically sitting at a computer working through tax credit cases. It's boring crap work, and it's hard to make it seem good.

Yata's Job – retold by IceDragon:

What do you think of when you hear the words “corporate criminal” or “respectable criminal?” You know, Al Pacino in “Scarface,” Denzel Washington in “American Gangster.” Not your usual Saturday night yob! Haha!

Seriously, corporate crime is a vastly more intricate process than we realise. There are so many fucking scandals going on in this world. Take tax evasion for instance. You may think it's no big deal, but it's costing our country billions of pounds a year, and to be perfectly honest, it's people like you and me who are being robbed, and ultimately, who have to foot the bill.

More businessmen are being jailed due to this than ever.

That's my job, I work for the HMRC, and handle many important cases. It's really fascinating. No two days are ever the same. God, even though I work for them, sometimes I think the revenue can be a bit harsh. However, I love the job, because of the detailed cases I have to sift through, and I am constantly learning . . . how NOT to evade taxes! Hahaha! Kidding! Maybe!

I've always wanted to investigate, ever since I was a kid, and I guess my dream is coming true.

Working for a powerful government department has its perks—pay, prestige, etc.—but it just means that I need to de-stress and relax more, due to the demanding nature of my job . . . speaking of which, show me how good you are at massaging . . . *turn your back to her and signal her to rub your shoulders*

These are just a couple of examples, but you get the picture. Reframe and focus on the positive aspects of your life.

About the author:
IceDragon has been described as the "grandmaster of natural seduction" and is the acclaimed author of (Real Attraction Secrets). He has been a regular contributor to Cliff’s List over the years.[/URL].


Greggarious:
Star Fire Essence: Sacred Secretion of the Intensely Aroused Woman

In response to the information and experience being presented about “squirting:”

This phenomenon has been known since the most ancient civilizations. Within goddess temples throughout the Indo-European world, and woven throughout Asian society, women practised disciplines, diets, exercises, prayers, and meditations to purify and cultivate this liquid essence. Men, too, practiced disciplines and preparations in order to approach and consort with the priestesses of the temples. The fluid discharged by the woman during their shared practice was considered a Secret Sacred Secretion (all three words come from the same root.)

In European traditions such as the Cults of Isis, Diana, and other goddesses, it was known as Star Fire Essence. This was because it affected the mind of a man who drank it by enhancing mental powers, in effect inducing “enlightenment.” Prolonged drinking of this essence conferred powers of the mind such as clairvoyance (visions of the future,) telepathy, advanced planning and strategizing skills, enhanced memory imprinting and recall, expanded imagination, etc. In India, the Yoga tradition called the fluid Amrita, and the powers it generated Siddhes (SID-eez), powers of the mind. In the British Isles, among the various Celtic tribes, it was called Star Fire Essence, and the powers it generated in a man who fed upon it were also called Siddhes. However, it was pronounced (SHEE), which translated as Web of the Wise—a web-work of enhanced perception and clarity within the mind.

The open practice and cultivation of these mysteries had to go underground as the Catholic Church gained power, oppressing, shaming, and marginalizing the Goddess Temples. References to it survive in myth, fairy tale and legend, codified and symbolized in the same way The DaVinci Code speaks of a deliberately hidden meaning in art and poetry. Thus, the myth of Sleeping Beauty can be thought to refer to the way a “prince” (a man trained in the mysteries) “awakens” (sexually arouses and enhances) the woman to her fullest potential with a kiss.

The priestesses of the goddess temples came to be associated with two flowers, the lily and the rose. In fact, the mysterious “bride” in the Old Testament Song of Solomon says, “I am the Rose of Sharon and the Lily of the Valley.” The rose refers to the menstrual blood (another power essence cultivated and imbibed in some ancient traditions,) and the lily refers to the discharge of clear fluid from the intensely aroused woman. A European lily closes up at night, and in the morning can be found to hold dew, from which a person can drink the slightly sweet water. The lily is also known as the dew cup, another euphemism for the Holy Grail.

Modern science helps us understand why this fluid could cultivate mental powers of “enlightenment” and was called Star Fire Essence. It contains melatonin, a hormone secreted from the pineal gland at the “third eye.” Melatonin is associated with the response to sunlight, is a regulator of sleep cycles, and is a powerful brain chemical. It also contains serotonin, another brain chemical, and telomerase, a rare and powerful substance that helps cells reproduce with less genetic decay from generation to generation, thus acting like a kind of fountain of youth. Indeed the ancients believed the sexually awakened woman is that true fountain. Star Fire Essence also contains cerebrospinal fluid and other secretions from the pineal and pituitary endocrine glands, associated with the chakra system of power centers within the energy body. (Incidentally, I've read that semen is 20% cerebrospinal fluid. It is another sacred secretion that should be shared back to the woman in an exchange of opposite balancing essences and energies.)

My reason for writing this is to inform people playing with this fire that they are wasting possibly the most precious and powerful substance on earth. Seeing how far a woman can “squirt,” laying out towels so she won't feel self-conscious about making a mess...this shows a lack of understanding for this most sacred secretion. We should be drinking it!

Most of my information comes from a book by world-renowned historian Laurence Gardner, called Realm of the Ring Lords. Another book of his is called Blood of the Grail Queens. Information on these practices has been so thoroughly shamed, destroyed, suppressed and marginalized by the Catholic (meaning universal) Church that it has existed only in relatively obscure studies, and for much of history was terribly dangerous to practice. In fact, the Church has co-opted the rituals, since its sacrament of holy communion, with the eating of the wafer and drinking of the wine, is a complex distortion of original Ring Lord/Grail Queen rituals to drink menstrual blood and Star Fire Essence. Some fairy tales, including Cinderella, Rapunzel, Snow White, and of course Sleeping Beauty can be interpreted to refer to this tradition while hiding or obscuring the details in order not to draw the attention of the violent Church Inquisition, and maybe to prevent the uninitiated from playing with fire.

I don't personally know the effects of drinking the essence. I have not read nor heard any details on how it is cultivated, refined, collected and ingested (except that European traditions apparently used a broad clam shell to collect it, and Indian tradition a wide shallow leaf) nor if the man drinking it must be cultivated and refined himself in order to receive its effects. It is possible that so powerful an essence could have harmful effects in the wrong dose, sequence, or if introduced into a person not prepared to integrate it.

I only share this information to raise awareness, and perhaps intrigue couples attaining this level of arousal and discharge to consider the sacredness of it, and the possible life-enhancing and life-prolonging benefits that could come from drinking it. I don't know other sources of information on this phenomenon, but have not looked. Perhaps an Internet search could find more modern science on the topic.

Gardner writes that Grafenberg, famous for “discovering” (more like labeling) the G-spot (I call it the sweet spot) also studied Amrita in 1950. Research on the topic was brought to a global scale in 1997 at the World Congress of Sexology in Valencia, Spain. I do not know how that research has expanded by now, but I suspect it has exploded, and that there are sites and sources to offer a wealth of scientific information.

It is the experiential knowledge which most fascinates me. Has anyone tasted the Amrita and had intense dreams?

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