2009/12/01

She Devised a Devilish Little Plan

Feel like your game is missing something ? Saying all the right things, but getting none of the results ? Find out how mad dogs evolved to avoid predators and pick up women.

Takis Theodorou and Dan Delard (seduction-ebook.info/):
I was angry.

No, I was not angry. I was furious.

I went to the bar, ordered a glass of water and jumped on a nearby couch, almost crushing the bag of a girl that was sitting there. At a different moment, this would have been a great opener, but at the time, I couldn't care less.

This was the third time during the night that I had been blown out. What was I doing wrong ?

Back then, I had been part of the community for only a few months, and while I was using all the right words, maintaining a nice style, having good body language and wasn't feeling much approach anxiety, something seemed to be off. I just did not close as much I should have.

However, I was not the only one experiencing this.

I knew many guys in the community that suffered from “social roboticism.” These guys had a large number of approaches under their belts, they were using very sophisticated techniques, and yet they seemed to lack that extra dimension needed to get results.

As I was thinking about this, I noticed that someone I knew had just entered the venue: Marc, the natural. His game was entirely different from what the community was proposing. Marc would simply walk up to girls, fluff talk about random stuff, and most of the time he would close the deal without the use of any “artificial” material. He used to call us the “chemical” players, because we were artificial, while he was natural. There was no negging, no cold reading, or any kind of gimmicks. He wasn't what we'd call an extremely Alpha guy, and at 5'7, he wasn't exactly tall either.

However, what he was doing had never been described in books before. He had his own style.

There was only one figure in the world that reminded me of his approach: the cartoon skunk known as Pepe LePew. Mark would leave a very distinct aura when he was talking. He was always expressing himself in a very cunning and sexual manner.

As I was watching him approaching some girls, deep in my brain, some lazy thoughts started to wake up from their sleep.

And then something clicked.

What if what we say during a pick up doesn't really play such a big role after all ? What if seduction primarily happens through expressiveness, emotions, and non-verbal states ?

I had to learn more.

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Within the next days, I spent my time reading psychology books and interacting as much as I could with other seduction members.

For the first time, I was not acting, I was observing.

What I started noticing fascinated me. The best guys in seduction were always the more expressive ones. While not all of them were using the well-known seduction tools ... being the prize, gimmicks, cold reading, story telling, indirect structured approaches or other things ... they all shared one very distinct element.

Their non-verbal state was crystal clear, and it came always, always in one of the following flavors:

Overly Enthusiastic
Macho
Something I'd call “cunning playful”
Sexual
Interested in the people they were talking to

These are the five key states. The famous “cocky and funny” thing combines just two of these states, macho and cunning-playful. If you know Gunwitch, you'll notice he mainly uses one of them, sexual. Actually, all of these five states can (and should) be used with women to get great results.

All the guys that did not share the same level of success were lacking all of these states. While most of them knew the scripts and routines, and had a very good body language and a structured approach, they lacked the right expressiveness and their words simply did not communicate enough to connect with the girls.

Guys that are good with women express their non-verbal state at a maximum level, almost as if they are screaming it out loud, while guys that are not good enough only seem to whisper it.

Day in day out, I kept observing the same patterns. People that expressed their non-verbal states in the above ways connected easily with girls while others kept struggling.

What about psychology books ? What did they have to say to support or deny this observation ?

Our brain has evolved in layers. The human language, as an invention, came only very recently in the history of our evolution. As a result, most of our brains are built around reading the other person's non verbal state first, and then looking at the words to see if they support the same state.

Non-verbal expressions come first and words come second. However, most of the community is based on words, on what to say, thus missing the most important communication channel: non-verbal expressions. This is a direct result of the fact that these elements are hard to pass through written communication. Written field reports are great, but most of the time they describe what players said not how they say it, because it is much easier to write about what you said last night than to describe how you said it. This is the main reason why the online community has been more about what to say than about how to say it with non-verbal states.

Each person has a number of nerve cells that copy the emotional states of people around them. This is done through reading and copying the non-verbal expressions and then testing to see how it feels to be in another person's shoes. This is why, if you say the same thing to someone in two different manners, it will trigger two different reactions.

This primitive route can be used to pass on basic emotions like sexual arousal and enthusiasm.

However, this channel can be used to decode more complex non-verbal states, and this is what makes it very interesting for seduction. Men and women have evolved to read non-verbal states that show fertility and good genetic traits. Marilyn Monroe, for instance, was not the most beautiful woman on the planet. However, through hours and hours of practicing in front of a mirror, she devised a devilish little plan to look like one. Afterward, she only expressed herself by being always somewhere between very a childish and very sexual state. And that mix sent men out of the theaters steaming ...

Why did she choose to look childish ? Because this signals youth, and men are hardwired to react to this trait as long as it comes from an adult looking woman. This is logical from a reproductive point of view, as men want to mate with women that are fertile. On the other hand, we have no means of knowing exactly when a woman is ovulating, and thus a man has to estimate whether a woman is ready to get pregnant or not. Women that look more sexual emit the signal that they are on those days. (It has been proven that women tend to dress with brighter colors, wear shorter skirts and use more make up when they are on those days.) All these are attractive traits that men react to.

Successful seducers do the same. They express themselves in ways that exude attractive male traits. For example:

Enthusiastic: Projects emotional intelligence and energy
Macho: Projects many alpha male traits
Cunning-Playful: Projects intelligence and playfulness
Sexual: Projects fertility
Interested: Projects warmness

Alternating these states can have a devastating effect on women. This is also known as the Mad Dog effect. Mad Dog consists of shifting states to keep the person listening to you. Humans have a tendency to like people that are slightly unpredictable through a complicated, evolved reflex known as Protean behavior. If you want to know the details, this is something shared by all mammals. Through evolution, animals that were unpredictable, covering zig-zagging trajectories, were more likely to escape predators. This tendency has also passed into our attraction circuitry.

Did it work ?

Oh, yes.

Did I have to do something special ?

Not really.

All I had to do was to express myself more strongly, just following roughly the above emotional guidelines. Sometimes I was macho, sometimes I was enthusiastic, and sometimes I was sexual. As long as I had one of the above emotional states on my face, women would follow. From that moment I started to connect with women. This was what my game was missing, and big chances are that your game misses the same elements, too.

By combining the classical verbal game with this non-verbal game, one can achieve a very high level of excellence. Furthermore, as the verbal seduction material will become more and more mainstream, such types of undercover, stealthy game can greatly help our seduction community to renew itself.

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ZenPua's picture
Wed, 12/02/2009 - 10:20

Make it real

I agree with much of what you've written. I would just add that faking your way through "Enthusiastic Macho Playful Sexual and Interested" will still leave you in robot land, unless you're a brilliant actor. And even then. You need to actually feel these moods/emotions to project them. If you fake it, your body language will give you away, sort of like faking a smile. It just doesn't look real. You need to get yourself into a state where you actually feel one or more of these moods. Then approach and see what happens.

To take one example, one way to "appear" interested in what a woman is saying is to actually be interested. Radical, I know. Actually listen to her with empathy and compassion rather than sitting there thinking "Ok, do I neg her now or neg her friend or do a magic trick or what?" You'll find the conversation goes deeper on all levels. If she says she likes swimming or skiing or shopping, or whatever, why does she like it, how does it make her feel when she does those things. What are things you like that share those same positive traits? Talk about them. Get excited. "Oh yeah, I love doing (whatever) because it makes me feel (shared trait) too."

It's not about scripts and routines. It's about actually being alive, aware, in the moment, and positive. Being real and open to the moment will do more for your "game" than any routine.

Good luck!

ZenPua.com

IRONCROWN's picture
Tue, 12/15/2009 - 00:48

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE KING OF GET SOME?

DO YOU KNOW WHO IS THE KING OF GET SOME! LET MET SAY THIS ROSS JEFFRIES! IT IS NOT ABOUT JUST HAVING FUN IT IS HAVING A CONNECTION WITH WOMEN! YOU NEVER STATED HOW TO OVERCOME FEAR, ANXIETY AND UNCERTAINTY THIS ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. IN SPEED SEDUCTION 3.0 IT WILL BE EXPLAINED PROPERLY. HOW CAN STUDENTS LEARN IF THESE THINGS ARE NOT ADDRESSED AND IN THE END THEY WILL JUST GO BACK IN THEIR HOMES AND BE KEYBOARD JOCKEYS. IN THIS SEMINAR HE WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO OVERCOME IT NOT DOING ANYMORE THE CRASH AND BURN WHICH CREATES TRAUMA ON STUDENTS. I WAS LIKE THAT WHEN I TRIED MYSTERY METHOD IT CREATED TRAUMA ALTHOUGH IT STILL WORKED THE TRAUMA REALLY STINGS BUT IN ROSS JEFFRIES BOOKS AND VIDEOS IT REMOVED. ATTEND THE SEMINAR OF ROSS JEFFRIES AT www.seduction.com.

I AM AN OPEN PERSON AND HAVE TRIED OTHER PLAY IN THE BOOK BUT THE ONE THAT REALLY GET SOME RESULTS IS HIS METHODS OF SPEED SEDUCTION. YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE GET STUCK AT THE MIDDLE AND THEY PRETTY MUCH SUCK AT THE SEDUCTION PART. WHY NOT GET HER TO AN EMOTIONAL TOWARDS SEX!

SEX IS GOOD THIS IS WHERE YOU GET REALLY CONNECTED BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST TALK SHIT THEN SHE WILL SAY THAT YOU ARE JUST THE OTHER GUY. THIS IS HOW ALEX ALLMAN EXPLAINED THE ONE OVERLOOK COMPONENT IS THE SEX PART EXPLAINED AT REVOLUTIONARY SEX AT MAN TRANSFORMATION PROGRAM.

P.S. ROSS JEFFRIES! HE IS THE FATHER OF MODERN SEDUCTION WHO STARTED THIS COMMUNITY SO I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING!

The Last Word's picture
Wed, 12/02/2009 - 14:30

deja vu?

Zen...

Great comments, man, you really seem to know ur stuff. Hey I got a question. U seem real familiar. Did you used to teach for Juggler? Or pickup101 or something?

ZenPua's picture
Wed, 12/02/2009 - 14:41

not the droid you're looking for

Nope, I did not teach for Juggler or pickup101. I've been around the forums, perhaps you've "seen" me there. Or read my book? The Zen of Meeting Women. Anyway, glad you liked my comment.

lhaw's picture
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 21:09

Emotion Communication Dynamics- SCIENTIFIC Validation

"Sentics The Touch of Emotions" By Manfred Clynes-- Hi 'Cliff". Have I got a treasure for you! "Sentics.." is the best SCIENTIFIC information on how emotions are communicated I've ever seen. It was written way back in 1976 & if you genuinely are in the Portland area, you can probably get it over at Powells. I have been waiting for somebody in 'the community' to have the revelation you talked about in this email/blog so I could share this amazing book with somebody who would actually be able to understand what it says- that what compels women is what they FEEL, & that what they feel is sentically 'caught' from those she is attending to. If you read this book, it will be a hard read that will change your Life. Professor Manfred Clynes is an off-scale GENIUS. You're gonna love it!

Lawrence Hawman