2006/12/12

Women Will Love You For It !

The latest news from the Men's Sexual Liberation Front
It's just too wonderful !

Joseph:
I've been away from this list a long time because it worked !

It was Cliff that first opened my eyes to the world of seduction, beyond Maxim pick-up tricks and “Just Be Yourself For Dummies” self-help books. Cliff's List introduced me to the best in the business, the people who were taking the laws of attraction into their own hands and making them work for them instead of playing a percentage game like the players and the mackers.

From the selection of various gurus I chose the path of Speed Seduction and NLPLook up this term, and though that style proved harder to master than some of the other styles who's techniques have worked well for me (David DeAngelo, for instance), I found that its versatility and power and fun-factor were ideal.

It also led me on to studying NLPLook up this term in other forms, and I took enough home study courses and went to enough seminars to earn a 2 year degree in persuasion and self-help. The most informative and worthwhile seminars happened to be from Tom Vizzini and Kim McFarland, but Ross Jeffries puts on a mean one too.

As a result of these teachings, my financial and social stock soared. As Major Mark had warned, it went from being able to seduce any woman I wanted, to not having to seduce any women, and finally to having to keep women at bay. The knowledge in NLPLook up this term and marketing helped me to double my yearly income through the acquisition of jobs and the selling of my own products. I booked gigs for my band paying $250 an hour per man plus expenses for 18,000 people from Amsterdam to Atlanta. I wrote articles for international magazines and got paid to ride planes and go to jazz festivals. I earned commissions for $150,000 cabinet jobs in the booming real estate hot beds of South Carolina and Georgia.

I haven't read Cliff's List in a long while, because I think I just don't have the libido that some of these career PUALook up this terms have. After I'd sampled a lot of different beautiful women and had my share of cultures on both sides of the Atlantic, I was more concerned with how to keep from seducing them than learning any more about how to seduce them.

Sometimes it makes me laugh to think that young students of seduction don't really know what they're getting into. You want it so bad, but then when you get it ... it's a lot to handle. And then you start remembering that there are other things in life besides ultra-fine women. Like making money and writing books and recording music and playing MMORPGs (yep I'm a nerd too !) and fishing and boxing and a whole bunch of other things that you can't always do with women.

Now I'm in a wonderful relationship with a beautiful exotic personal trainer. Sure, sometimes I break into the David Shade moves or treat her to a night of play with NLPLook up this term. But I'm no PUALook up this term anymore. There's something to be said for ease of living. I have books to write and songs to record while Mystery is out testing the latest technique in a bar or coffeehouse. My “set” is usually on the couch behind me, and when I finish writing the current chapter or laying down the current track, I can fire off an anchor to get her in the mood or ask her to call up a girlfriend. Or I can be really lazy and just put in the CD with those NLPLook up this term songs I recorded.

And here I come to the main reason I'm finally writing to Cliff again. The PUALook up this term community has gotten big and mean since this southern boy's been gone. There's a lot of bickering going on. People who used to be friends accusing each other of being frauds, people competing for the Hollywood slot and the article in Hustler, people becoming extremely protective of the markets in which they do business.

You guys who are just learning, don't buy into it too much. It's just about money. David DeAngelo works. Ross Jeffries works. Tom and Kim's methods definitely work. Neil Strauss and Mystery probably work, too. You can usually spot the frauds a thousand miles away if you're even a casual reader of Cliff's List.

The main thing is that you don't take it too seriously, or nothing will work. Don't be uptight. Have fun with the skills. Don't worry whether or not you fuck up. Don't worry whether or not you get this particular girl. And don't spend a year's salary or go into debt buying too many overpriced seduction methods or seminars. You don't need to buy everything offered just to become successful with women. One good course or seminar, a couple of gimmicks, and a subscription to Cliff's List is all you need. And time. Time and practice.

Ciaran “Dr Jekyll” Healy:
Talking About A Revolution ...

Think on this, if you will. Germaine Greer's famous feminist text The Female Eunuch crystallized and initiated something which had been brewing in the minds of women for a long time. That dissatisfaction that had boiled below the docile surface of female propriety for decades, even centuries, was unleashed and given form and focus by the work of that woman.

What she did was to kick off a revolution. A sexual revolution. It was a sexual revolution for women, where women suddenly were able to take control of contraception and thus pregnancy, and have sex as often and whenever they chose, with whomever they wanted.

The effect on our society has been so profound, so total, that it has reached a saturation point. Women have become so free in terms of self-expression and sexual expression that there are whole industries of magazines which cater to the sexual and personal exploration of what it means to be a woman.

This effect is so vast in our society as to be part of its normal fabric. It is a victory so complete that we of this generation cannot conceive of a time when it was different. Always, in our memories, this battle was being fought, and always women were winning their sexual freedom. Their victory has been total. Female sexuality is something which is now celebrated, vaunted.

And yet the world is unbalanced.

Male sexuality is not celebrated. Far from it.

The problem is so extreme that the majority of men are basically unaware that women experience lust in the same way as they do. That, as men, they are all objects of female desire.

Millions of men, millions of highly educated, intelligent, healthy men in this society are basically unaware that they are sexually desirable.

The popularity of this community is to my mind held back only by the extent to which it can be caricatured as a group of Internet geeks-cum-sleazeballs. But that is not what we are. We are something else. Something very different.

The depth of intelligence of the men in this community is something which is awesome to behold. The depth of passion is more inspiring still. Yet greater than these things is the integrity, the courage and the decency with which many of us who are making this journey conduct ourselves. We have the humility to continue to learn. We have the integrity to listen to each other. To care about the men we teach. To seek to better ourselves in every way imaginable.

Learn the art of seduction with others, participate in discussions, make friends, get exclusive content. It's free ! Why wait for your life to get better ? Join the Cliff's List Community now !

The key division in the seduction community is between those who want to get beautiful women, and those who seek to deserve beautiful women.

For some, this community is the pursuit of sex. For others, it is the pursuit of personal excellence.

There are two ways to get an amazing woman. You can become an amazing manipulator, or you can become an amazing man.

Those that seek only sex and power over women will get what they seek, at the cost of their hearts. Those who seek excellence, though ... they have a potential that is practically limitless.

And for those who seek excellence, a possibility exists.

Nowhere else in the Western World, to my knowledge, are such a group of men as we united and focused in the confrontation of fear and apathy in our own lives. We number in the thousands. Literally thousands. And counting.

I believe that the time has come for something to begin in earnest. I'm not talking about a community. I'm not talking about a new forum.

I'm not talking about a new lifestyle, nor am I talking about reversing any of the gains, the great and noble gains, that women have made for the cause of their personal and sexual freedom.

I am talking about a broad-based, society-wide sexual revolution. For men.

A sexual revolution that will fight to grant men freedom from shame. A revolution that will give all men everywhere possession of their sexual destinies. A sexual revolution that will allow men to once more take the lead in their lives, take strength again, take heart again. A sexual revolution that will give our weakened and embattled gender a sense once more of the time when it was the gender of warriors and heroes, and not of middle-managers and pen pushers.

A sexual revolution that will echo around this planet as a clarion call for man, for mankind, for courage, honour and excellence.

No longer will we be leaves in the hurricane.

We will be the hurricane, gentlemen. We will be the fucking hurricane.

I will fight for this goal. I will fight for this goal with all my heart, to put real and specific plans into order to make this a reality. To drive the seduction community into the light of day. To drive the ideas in it, about strength, personal power, self-discipline, courage, fortitude ... to drive them all into the light, that they may be seen by millions. And when that provokes a reaction, I will do everything I can to turn that reaction into a movement of change. Something big. Something really, really big.

And it can be so. Those of us who believe that this world needs changing but have always felt too weak to make real decisions can act together, as one. We can face the insecurities and weaknesses that hold us back, and defeat them. We can become excellent men.

Because within the hearts of many men lies a focused, burning desire and rage to achieve what is our right, what is our birthright as men. Excellence is our birthright as men. We should fight for it.

And frankly, what are you doing today that is more important ?

This is a revolution which must come from within. It's a war of conquest that must be fought against fear itself, against cowardice, apathy and indecision. A personal war on a global scale. What is at stake is our worth, our value as human beings. Let's prove to ourselves, and to the world, that we're worth a damn.

We are what we are. But what we can be is limited only by our resolve, our strength and our vision of how great we each could be.

I wish you a Merry Christmas.

I leave your New Year's Resolutions to you.

R.K.:
Review of the Seduction and Mastery CD SetLook up this term, by the Dating Wizard, Michael W.

Well over a year ago, I took a seminar through the Learning Annex in Toronto, with Michael W., also known as the “Dating Wizard.”

I downloaded his e-book on dating and studied it very carefully. It had some great advice and was good for building a foundation for knowing how to approach and pick up women. I also attended his weekend seminar for personal instruction.

Then he recently released a SetLook up this term of CDs called “Seduction Mastery,” and I obtained this and wow ! Meeting and dating women took on a whole new life of its own. I went into high gear, and became a changed man when it came to women. I still can't believe it !

I want to share my experience with others, because I am sincerely appreciative of how my life has been changed by applying the principles and methods in the CD SetLook up this term. Guess what: when you get this stuff figured out, you realize how little competition there really is with other guys. You just have to be a little bit better at your game, that is all. There is so much stuff in the marketplace about picking up women, and frankly, not all of it is good. I was fortunate to choose one that actually works. This guy knows of what he speaks, and the only way he could really know, is from field testing and hard research, in my humble opinion.

I should tell you something that you will not likely want to hear, though: you actually have to go out and practice the methods. What is really amazing is that they do work, if you will just try them. I know this, because believe me, it took me a while to actually apply the techniques, even though I knew all the theory behind them. It takes guts to go up to a hot woman and stand your ground. Then it gets easier. Just treat it like a game …

Who gives a damn about the outcome … I really don't care ! I just let it go where it goes. Women will love you for it !

Here is one thing I found to be very important to the mindset: no woman is better than you, and you are no better than her. You are equal. Since that is the case, then why the problem in approaching her ? Hope you get that, because it is key. And it does not matter how attractive she is ... she is just your equal! No more, no less.

I should mention here at this point that I am a regular guy, with average looks.

Here is what recently happened to me, and I still don't believe it. Why ? Because prior to learning the information, this kind of stuff never happened to me. And I do mean never ! I was the nice, gentleman type guy. Take her out to dinner, buy gifts, expensive flowers. You know what that got me ? A girlfriend that cheated on me. Yep, because I was a boring, needy type of guy. I am almost embarrassed to admit this now, but it was true.

To further show how dumb I was, I tried to win her back, even after she did that to me … can you believe that ? (I came to my senses after listening to the CDs over and over, and finally learned my lesson about staying away from low self-esteem women).

So, now I was back in the dating game ... but this time, I knew the rules for success !

I walked into a club I have never been to before, and you know what it is like in a new environment. You have to get a feel for it. Bear in mind, I am not much of a club goer anyway, so if I did not like the vibe, I was going to split.

Within 1 minute of entering the club, as I was walking toward the bar, a very attractive blonde made eye contact with me and immediately said, “Hi !” Not me saying hi, but her ! I said “Hello” back, glanced and smiled and went and got my fave cocktail ordered at the Bar.

I walked back after I got the drink and found her talking to some other gentleman. I said hi to her again, and hello to him as well, and she turned her body to face me and we all talked.

The other guy, obviously annoyed that I had interrupted his banter, then made some remarks indirectly for me to get lost, and then asked her quickly, “What do you like to do on a date ?” (read: desperate) hoping to grab her attention back. She basically ignored him and then asked me if I would like to step outside with her as she wanted some fresh air.

I put my drink down, with hers, and she asked the other guy to watch our drinks.

Boy, I could tell he was mad as heck with me. I did nothing but act calm and cool the whole time. To make a long story short, we spent the next 5 hours together ! You got it. Danced, talked etc. She was in the top 5 attractive women in this club ! Can you believe it ? And with me ! And you know what ? Other women tried to hit on me that evening. That is right ! I blew them off, because I was with the best already. I suggested we leave at about 1 am, I knew she had to get up for work at 6am !

(She had originally wanted to leave the club no later than 10 pm.)

Now listen: I could see other guys in the club looking over enviously, and wondering what the heck does this guy have that I don't have ? Believe it or not, a couple of guys even tried to chat her up when I left to get drinks, etc ... and she brushed them right off. They just did not get it.

Sadly, I observed most of them just leaning back against the wall like lost sheep, with no guts to even go ask a woman to dance. And there were many girls there that were sitting down, or talking in groups with friends. But what was really sad, was to see that they were doing this to themselves: they just did not have the knowledge. That is the only difference between them and me. I can say that, because without this knowledge, I would have been one of those guys !

May I also suggest being poorly dressed does not help ! Do your best to look your best, whatever your personal style may be.

Yes, I got her email, simply by asking for it, and you can bet she wanted to make damn sure I had it ! Called her up about a day later, (she had emailed me her phone number) we chatted, emailed, and then arranged a date with her. Note: I made all the decisions for pick up time, where and when, dining arrangements, etc.

We had an incredible date that lasted till the wee hours of the morning ! Now, this is a classy woman, not some bimbo, so I respected her, and she appreciated that one quality woman is worth a hundred bimbos in my books. And since then, I have met dozens of other attractive women at the mall, in the bookstores, at clubs, coffee shops, and all with no pressure. This without any kind of pickup lines at all, just looking for an opportunity to comment on something. That is all.

So may I wish you all the greatest success. Remember, you must take action ... all the reading and listening and watching books, CDs etc ... will not help otherwise.

And a special thanks also to all the guys and gals in this community who have made information available to us, and have walked the walk, and now are talking the talk.

Baddvantage:
Reading The Map Before You Drive ...

I think that many principles get forgotten about and overlooked when guys discuss improving their success with women and dating, but the most important of them is the idea of knowing what you want before you attempt to achieve it.

With so many message boards, seminars, various renowned pick-up artists, and DVD programs, we typically get so wrapped up in the newest techniques to pick up women, conversation skills, inner game improvement, approaching pick-up lines, etc., that we never stop and think about what we really want from women, individually.

Is it a long-term relationship ? Do we want one-night stands ? Fuck-buddies ? A simple large circle of female friends ? Just a collection of phone numbers to prove to yourself that you can do it ? Many men forget to ask themselves this, or if they do, then some of us forget our own answer as time goes on. Before you know it, you are out "sarging", talking to women, trying to get phone numbers and e-mails, but you don't even know what your going to do with them if you get them.

You would assume, of course, that you would contact the women whose information you get, but I have found that, without really knowing what you want from women, you cannot communicate as smoothly with them while talking to them. It may still result in immediate success, like getting their phone number in a generally positive interaction, but more often than not, the woman can feel that you are not completely congruent within yourself.

If you want sex from a woman, and you know how to talk to her in a sexual way right from the start without being offensive, then she will clearly know your intentions, which is not a bad thing. If you want to just have a girl to party with, that will be conveyed in your approaches and body language.

The problem with not knowing ahead of time what you really want, is that you don't know exactly from what state you are approaching from. If you don't know what state you are approaching from, then she might think you are conveying a vibe of being a cool friend and nothing more, when in your mind, you're really looking for an LTRLook up this term.

Knowing your own intentions, however, will allow you to implement them in your interactions with women, without just coming out and telling her. Of course, finding the right way to communicate depending on what your intentions are, is an entire process in itself. But you don't want to talk to a woman in a way that will make her want you sexually right away if it is a long term relationship that you are after. You will not end up getting what you want, in the end.

I know as well as you do that nothing is 100% the same every time in anything. And if you are pretty good and experienced in this subject, you can do anything around women and have it mean whatever you want. But for the less experienced PUALook up this term, you have to have your own road map in mind first.

You wouldn't get in your car and just drive, without knowing where you are going. And if you did know you where you were going, you probably would still not start driving unless you were sure you knew how to get there.

It's the same way in your interactions with people. Know what it is you want to get out of it before you even begin.

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