2011/10/03

Grinding Her Mind Into A Fine Powder

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Grinding Her Mind Into A Fine Powder

Mr. Madison:
Well I'm breaking my promise … again … I said no more LRLook up this terms, but I feel that I learned so much about a new style that I have to share it. It would be selfish of me not to.

I wanna start off by saying I was not too happy with my style lately. I had good “happy guy game” and good “player game,” but I was lacking in the mentally dominating and authoritative game. I think most guys have trouble with that. I really took great notes from Todd’s speech at the World Summit. They have helped me a lot. You can see them here.

I also was reading a thread by UtopiaFive that is about the subject of gaming girls as if you were a hot girl. You can read that here. (I met this guy in Vegas and have seen him doing well with hot girls, so I know his mind is in the right place.)

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I have also been listening to the Evil Stiffler, and had the opportunity to chill for a moment with him in Vegas. If you ever notice, Jeffy compares him to a snake that slithers up on its prey and quickly eats it. What I'm trying to do is be more like a badass snake that circles its prey, building the tension slowly with no rush to eat, and then explodes and snaps.

I'm calling this grinding her mind into a fine powder.

Its really not as evil as it sounds. The goal is to build authoritative sexual tension, almost the way a turbo hot girl would with you. She wouldn't actually “pursue you” in the interaction. She would just radiate that she is in control of herself. That may also include picking you apart mentally just for fun and breaking your mind.

The process of her mind goes in 3 stages:

5 minutes in: Oh, hes one of those guys. I like him.
15 minutes in: I would do him.
1 hour in: I would do him tonight.

I will tell the story and you can see how it plays out …

So the night started off with me having a date with a girl who was greatly exaggerated by her Facebook photos. I was honestly turned off by her attitude and constant complaining. I was talking to her on the phone for 2 weeks before the meet up, so I had a lot invested. But I decided not to make a move. I went for pizza with her and bounced.

A friend and I head to a local university bar super early, like 9 PM. Later on some other guys show up. My focus for the night is on 4 things:

Building sexual tension – being the authority - building intrigue – and running the interaction “like a hot girl would.”

Tip: When I go out and I'm working on a new skill, I setLook up this term a cell phone reminder to go off at 1 AM with what to focus on for the night. This helps to keep me focused and on track.

It takes a little while for me to hit my stride, and with every setLook up this term I'm seeing what works and what doesn’t work and making adjustments. No one is above this process. The only difference between me and someone else in a club is that I go through the same emotions but I am able to relax, focus, and direct myself better.

Anyways, I see a chick up against the wall in a baseball cap ... a tall, light skinned half-Jamaican, half-Irish girl. A perfect model body. Later I find out she is like 145 pounds or something. The type of girl that could wrap her legs around you for miles.

I roll up, I'm spitting statements at her while also vibing.

“You can wear that hat here, because I say so.”

“There can be 2 cool people here, you are over the swagger limit.”

“Who the fuck do you think you are ?”

“Why are you pretending to be gangster ? What’s this bullshit ? Just be yourself.”

Her: You're very close to my face.
Me: I will fuck you up. You're tall, do you play basketball ? I would dunk on you and take your lunch money.
I lock her in against the wall ... and here comes the bachelorette party.

UGLook up this term: She's my girlfriend.
Me: Cool … (pause) … which one of you is the butch in the relationship ?
Tip: Baiting is: being dismissive, pushing away, and teasing.

At this point my girl has her arm around my waist and she is escalating on me.

I tell her, not ask her, to show me pictures of her bride’s maid dress. She admits that they are just pretending and no one is getting married, despite the fact that they are wearing pink streamers and crowns. She says she is going to smoke. I say, “I don’t smoke because it is a fucking disgusting habit ... (she nods) … but I will go with you.”

I go outside, meet her friends, and ask them, “How do you know this trouble maker ?” We vibe for 10 minutes.

We go back inside, I lead her around. Go to dance, full grind. I steal a dancing technique I got from Alexander: huge grin on your face, and just bob your head in a horizontal V motion with lots of eye contact. I'm pinning her arms up against her head on the wall. Stroking her jawline and her face. Kissing her neck. She is trying to put her tongue in my mouth, but I refuse to kiss her. She tries about 9 times to kiss me. I decline each time. She knows like 10 people here and I'm having trouble leading her, so I decide to find hotter girls and upgrade. I get her number and leave.

At this point I realize that I am a idiot. Sometimes I try to upgrade and leave with nothing. I always do this, it’s a problem I have. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. So after about 20 minutes I go and hunt my girl down. I text her to come see me before she leaves. No answer.

I go outside and see her waiting for her friends. I roll up. Full kiss. I ask logistic questions. I tell her I want to chill and talk. She says she's going with her “mommy.” I'm confused but plow anyways. Her friend rolls up and tries to cock block me. “Yeah, you just want to fuck her tonight but you're not going to, she's my girlfriend.” I'm like, “Cool story – make out – now.” This seems to get a pass.

They say they're leaving. I say I'm coming. My girl is like, “You're coming right ?” I'm like yeah. She smiles. Tells her friend she can sleep on the couch. Done.

Only thing I might have changed is I paid for a taxi ride cause I didn’t want to take the bus and have my girl loose BTLook up this term. But looking back, I might have had time to build more of a real world connection.

Tip: With intrigue game, I've noticed that when you build intrigue you almost don’t need any rapport or story telling.

Limiting Belief: The whole night I was walking around with a shoulder bag. Even when dancing. For some reason I thought I could not feel comfortable gaming with a bag the whole time. But I never put it or my jacket down for 1 moment, and still did all this.

We get in the taxi. Go to her house. Straight to her bedroom. She takes of her own clothes. We dance and kiss. I sit on the bed. She gets on top of me. No LMRLook up this term.

… let the game be beautiful.

Russ:
A charmless introduction to the most feared branch of seduction.

Most of my reviews have dealt with products designed to help with online pick up or night game. I am curious about day game, and purchased Day Bang by Roosh to see how I could improve my daytime adventures.

Lacking both the caustic charm of Ross Jefferies and the journalistic ease of Neil Strauss, Day Bang is an overly wordy chore that often left my eyes floating over masses of words when a few would do. For example, a huge and dreary section on handling approach anxiety and rejection could have been more concise, and I have read better elsewhere (Ross Jefferies and Clive Webb being the best).

This book also has a brutal view of women. Now, we all love to be cheeky to women (well, I do !) but Roosh describes women as “Lubricated holes that exist mostly for a man’s sexual pleasure.” What a charmer ! And this is the key problem with Day Bang: success with women does not necessarily equate to success as a writer, or indeed a teacher of Game.

Roosh has a rather brutal and direct style of writing that many readers may feel is unpalatable. He uses rather dry diagrams I fear only the pedantic and truly clueless will appreciate, and what he says about the older or ethnic day game player actually begs belief: “If you’re rolling up with a thick accent or dated attire while smiling from ear to ear, I guarantee that you’ll be consistently rejected. Life isn’t fair,
but you already knew that,’ offers Roosh.

For the older day game student he says, “If you’re an older dude, understand that while day game puts you in a position to talk to younger girls, it doesn’t necessarily make it easier to lay them unless you come close to what they are looking for.” His clothing advice will be little comfort to such men.

The GALNUC theory is quite interesting and I wished it had come earlier in the eBook. The letters, respectively, mean German, Age, Location, Name, Usually, and Cool. I won’t give away what all this adds up to, but it’s essentially the blueprint Roosh uses for getting numbers during a day game approach.

However, his eBook is missing an explanation of how to use words to excite a girl when you are talking to her. Ross Jefferies and JD Fuentes have superior material on this, and use much more humor in a better method of getting girls .And along with his view of women and the writing style, this is the major problem with Day Bang: there is too much missing from it. Others tell us to use words to create images in a woman’s mind. Others tell us to be direct in day game, and others don’t leave such a sour taste after having read their material.

Day Bang is fine for a young man looking for a general introduction to day game, but the older and less gifted in the looks department should seek more helpful material like Ross Jefferies, JD Fuentes or daygame.com.

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Joshua Pellicer
Joshua Pellicer is the author of The Tao Of Badass. Learn the “Secret Tests” hot girls give guys here.

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Venture's picture
Sun, 10/09/2011 - 15:26

Timing

Thank you for the info! I know now not to purchase "Day Bang."

I know you said: "Baiting is: being dismissive, pushing away, and teasing," but how do you go about initiating interest? In my experience (now, I'm an amateur, so correct me if I'm wrong), a girl VALUES a guy who has the balls to come up and talk to her. My main irritation with the game is getting over the beginning hump, building enough comfort, I guess you could say. How often to you maintain eye contact? Do you look away often? What's your body language like? Are you leaning in, totally into the conversation? Or are you demonstrating slight disinterest? Maybe shoulders pointed away? I realize all of this depends on the situation, but how SOON do you start baiting?

Another note, sorry I'm posting a book, but I haven't been keeping up on Cliff's List as much as I should. There's a girl I work with that I really want to get to know more. She's easily the hottest girl that works there (I work in a restaurant). I was rejected by the second hottest girl there, but not because my game isn't tight, it's because she has a boyfriend (who lives in another state, she still looks to me for reassurance after I appear to be ignoring her. Now that I think of it, I really think I could get her if I had more game). Anyway, back to the hottest girl. I've been coy with her, knowing that every guy she meets wants to get in her pants. It seems to work. She has a naturally playful personality. She's extremely outgoing, funny, quick, and witty. I'm not putting her on a pedestal, these are just observations. However, this brings us back to the question I had in the last paragraph. My problem is timing: WHEN to push, WHEN to pull.

timezoner's picture
Sun, 11/06/2011 - 19:31

colognes

Hey, Cliff, as a response to an article you posted many many years ago recommending Black Jeans cologne, Fuck Oil by Dusty and Fruits and Passions, which one would you recommend now?

Cliff's picture
Wed, 12/28/2011 - 14:44

Colognes

These days I like Dolce and Gabbana and Aqua de Gio - not too revolutionary.

IvanaNaylor's picture
Tue, 02/14/2012 - 18:46

Venture, there is no right

Venture, there is no right time to push or pull. I find the best time is when you want to. Be dismissive with her if she talks to you, but ask her for favors time to time at work. Like, if she's a server and you are too, ask her to take some drinks to your table really quick. Most hot girls are used to having favors done for them, not asked of them. If she agrees, just say "cool" and walk away. No thank you! No "I appreciate it," just look away and walk away like you're busy as hell. Do that a few times until she gives you some attitude like "I have my own tables," to which you can say "oh, it didn't look like you were too busy, I'll ask if you are next time." By that point, she'll be thinking WTF is this guy's deal? She'll realize she has no power over you. THEN, sometime after work, tell her you need a ride home because you let your friend borrow your car for an emergency. Take a detour and drive by a bar and say, let's get a drink. Have a few, keep it simple, don't ask about her, let her ask about you but don't give her straight answers. Hot girls are used to being interrogated and enjoy being the interviewer when there's a guy she can quite figure out. Use that to your advantage. If you're looking for a quick bang, keep drinking. If you're interested in actually pursuing her, tell her to take you home after a couple of drinks and again, don't thank her. Just say "glad you had a good time, goodnight." That should drive her crazy and have her thinking about you for the rest of the night or until she next sees you at work. Trust me, I used a very similar tactic in college when I worked at a steak house and I ended up banging three girls over six months at that job, the only three hot girls, too. Now, as I'm getting older, I'm looking to actually settle down and don't really want to game a girl into loving me. I've been trying a few dating sites, but all the girls seem too desperate and have recently gotten out of long-term relationships, so they're either emotionally unstable or still getting texts at midnight from their former lover, both of which I avoid like the plague. Girls always bitch about not being able to find a quality guy, but I feel like it's quite the opposite. Guys these days are more emo than ever and willing to give a good girl everything she needs, but a hot girl's ego tells her to wring each sponge dry before letting them inside... Sure, there are a ton of nice 6s and 7s, but if you're looking for a long-term, you'll want a 8, 9 or 10 that won't start annoying you as soon as you blow you load. They exist, though they are a rare breed.