All of this shit sounds like torture

Those of you receiving this who are in Montreal, please contact me. I am thinking of starting a separate email notice to send out of events (and probably scheduling some get togethers of people reading this who are local) here that would be of interest. To get on this list, just send me an email (hit "Reply").

GameMaster: Hey Clifford, I've been reading a fascinating book titled "Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life" by Drunvalo Melchizidek. Heavy, heavy stuff. Detailed discussion of sacred geometry, ancient civilizations, origins of man, etc. If you like Zachariah Sitchen then you'll love this guy! Anyway, in Book 2 there's several pages devoted to transmuting of sexual energy. Tantra basically teaches the male that the physical orgasm dissipates vital life force that cannot be recovered, thereby taking us one step closer to death. Apparently, the Egyptians believed that it was through this physical release, properly channeled, the human orgasm becomes a source of infinite pranic energy that is not lost, and will lead directly to eternal life. Heavy stuff.....instructions included. I'm gonna do some more research on this. Haven't tried it yet but it makes sense.

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In my obsessive quest to run down the revelations in Melchizidek' "Flower of Life" but I can't find anything to confirm or dispute what he says about the Egyptian method of transmutation. I have read the following and here are my brief findings: "New Age Tantra Yoga"by Howard Zitko: interesting book, long on theosophy, short on technique. Lots of discussion about advanced spiritualism. Only for the devotees. He does make one recommendation for music selections during lovemaking, funny his No.1 pick is Ravel's "Bolero"....was hoping for something new. "Healing Love Through the Tao, Cultivating Female Sexual Energy"-Chia & Chia Pet: for women only, for the practicing Ovarian Kung Fu artist. One interesting story about how the ancient Chinese masters could drink a glass of wine through the end of their dick! Not much else for the guys but makes GREAT a conversation piece in restaurant bars. "Egyptian Tantra Yoga"- Ashby: Absolute hogwash, promotes a life devoid of any form of sexual congress. This guy should be killed. "Love and Alchemy"-Lee Lozowick: More nonsense, a straight sociological view of love and sex. Don't fall for the "70 secrets of sex and relationships". The only thing worth mentioning and this might be worthy of discussion...is the chapter titled 'Secret 39:What women want from men' the text reads...."virility may be attractive but it's not enough of a basis to find the depths of her essential Feminine being. Soon she will need his essential Man-ness as a pole to complete her emotionally. But the second thing a woman is attracted to is genuine vulnerability, or organic innocence. And what is it in a man that truly inspires love-devotion, devotion that arises out of true masculine presence, and inherent organic innocence. A woman that knows a man who can surrender, but not fully, is a man that can give her total fulfillment as a woman." "New Cells, New Bodies"-Virginia Essene: Metaphysician's ALERT ! Unfortunately nothing here about our favorite pastime but, if you are into life extension and rejuvenation, or you practice the 5 rites in Kelder's book (The Ancient Secret of the Fountain of Youth, aka The Five Tibetans), then you may want to give this a peek. Channeled works and only for the very open minded.

Hey Cliff, have we ever had a discussion of music selections for seduction and sex? I like cocktail music like Sinatra or Dianne Krall and Michael Hedges, Van Morrison "Moondance" and "Tupelo Honey for seduction. For sex, sometimes dependent but Enigma I&II are always a hit, Peter Murphy is good even though he's a fag. His stuff is dark and seductive. My all time sleeper is Alan Parson's "Tales of Mystery and Imagination". There's a really cool takeaway in there that I had never noticed before but while going down on my girlfriend one night she sat up and said "Nevermore my ass!" Worth a listen. I'd be interested in hearing what the guys use as standards?

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Flyer: In response to BGC's posting about LA chicks. I have seen RJ's posts about 9's and 10's HB 's in LA and wanted to get a general consensus from everyone about these types of LA HB 's. There seem to be conflicting reports. This is just a general question: essentially it would be good to get all bro's who have been in the LA HB scene to give their general short overview of LA. Chick scene. Question being: Is it not possible to get an SHB (9 or 10) in LA without, as one bro mentioned, being an entertainment industry mogul, millionaire rock star, or coke dealer? Are all 9's and 10's in LA fucked up?? Is it possible to get a 9 or 10 with all of our specialized seduction skills even though we may have average incomes?? (For those of you who have asked before, please refrain from asking "Why do you want a 10?", that's not the question here)

Again, those who specialize in the LA scene please post.

Broadaxe:
>Halbmike:
>Those of you who've been around Cliff's list, the SS list or other groups
>for
>a while know that I believe in seduction that empowers women. I don't
>believe in being the jerk that women love. I believe in honest,
>straightforward, practical empowerment that works by inducing wonderful
>feelings in yourself and others. I believe that anyone can get great
>results
>with this approach. The more I seduce the more I realize there is no such
>thing as a 1 nite stand. Our communication and our behaviors may affect
>people long after we are gone. Here is a story that powerfully illustrates
>how a person was affected by one date.
>
>Recently I was talking with a 31 year old attractive woman friend. She
>dates
>a friend of mine. She was talking about getting a nose job. She told me
>that she is very self conscious about her big nose. This captured my
>curiosity so I decided to do some probing. I learned that when she was a
>freshman in college she went on one date with some guy who told her that she
>had a really beautiful face except for one thing...her nose is too big.
>Note, that I said "one date" because that guy didn't get another date.
>Before this asshole told her his opinion, she thought her nose was fine. In
>fact, I think her nose is fine. Her nose fits her face very well, and it
>has
>a cute shape. For over 10 years she was made self conscious because he
>decided to use a neg hit.
>This neg hit jerk didn't know her full history. As a baby, Lucy's eye was
>blinded and disfigured by an accident. Children made fun of her calling her
>Cyclops and similar names. Despite this handicap Lucy managed to excel at
>many things, and made friends. When Lucy was 13 she was at the mall with
>her friends when some girl about 16 started shouting "Oh my God. Gross,
>look
>at her eye." Needless to say Lucy became very self conscious about her eye.
>Lucy decided to get her eye enucleated, but she had to wait until she was
>16. The doctors gave Lucy a magnificent fake eye. It matches her other
>eye. People can't tell the difference. Finally, for the first time in her
>life, Lucy got to be pretty. And, yes, she was very pretty. Unfortunately
>for Lucy she only got to enjoy being pretty for about a year or two before
>this asshole had to go digging up her scar. These are powerful tools.

The problem obviously lies with the chick, and not with the asshole. Sometimes neghits are necessary to get the female's attention. Jeez, this chick is 31 years old, and she takes what one guy says so seriously? She needs to grow up. Think about all the verbal abuse us men have taken in our PU attempts. You have to just dismiss it and move on. Are women that much different than men? If she is so messed up in her head that she can't dismiss that insult for what it was, then she deserves all the pain that she gets. It may seem cruel, but that's the way things are.

I want to ask some older, seasoned PUA 's a question about social status. I'm almost 23, almost graduated from college, and I'm thinking about career paths to take. How important is having a lot of money as far as social circles go? Do you feel that you are ostracized sometimes for not having a lot of money, even though you have a lot of charm and appeal? Anyone can feel free to share your opinion.

Jake:
> Optimus:
> Because it seems to me, that if you can create the belief in her mind that;
> you = famous (or the feelings/effects/states of being famous)
> you = rich (or the feelings/effects/states of being famous)
> even if it's totally not true at all...then your expectation for getting
> your desired outcome will skyrocket. Huge shortcut. And if there can be a
> way to do it FAST...hmm....
>
> My Comment: I think you have hit an important nail on the head and I would
> like to hear from everyone with ideas about this.

Creating a belief sounds like too much work. FWIW, this what I'd suggest: 1. Find out what being with a guy who's rich &/or famous makes her feel. 2. Have her remember a time when she's felt that way and anchor it to being with you. 3. Get her to intensify those feelings, anchor those intensified feelings to being with you, then do a take away. 4. Repeat step 3 until she jumps you.

Max:
> Halbmike:
> Those of you who've been around Cliff's list, the SS list or other groups
> for
> a while know that I believe in seduction that empowers women. I don't
> believe in being the jerk that women love. I believe in honest,
> straightforward, practical empowerment that works by inducing wonderful
> feelings in yourself and others. I believe that anyone can get great
> results
> with this approach. The more I seduce the more I realize there is no such
> thing as a 1 nite stand. Our communication and our behaviors may affect
> people long after we are gone.

I'm glad that you have figured your way around in the game. I have been experimenting with jerkish stuff lately, and it is working well so far, though I haven't closed yet. I agree with you in part about what you wrote. Negging any part of someone's physique is BAD and WRONG, it may cause long term damage. I won't also neg on something expensive that a woman might have (i.e. Car, Furniture, ....) . I have no second opinion about that issue. What I do usually is negging on little items, like an ear ring, color of pants, color of manicure..... something that can be changed with no or minimal cost. I do have a good respect for your opinion and thoughts.

Marc:
> Optimus:
> How can we steal all the "things" that "being famous" does for a woman?

It seems to me that whenever I see and recognize a famous person, regardless of whether I like that person or not, something in my brain switches. It's just the recognition that does something to my mind that causes me to change my state of mind. In other words, I enter an altered state, a trance. That wouldn't be helpful?

Another benefit of being famous is that a lot of women will have formed a (romantic) image in her mind of that famous person, because of endless exposure to video clips, films, TV-shows, magazines, etc. This has two major benefits. One, women will approach that famous person, hence the roles are reversed. He's unique. He's the prize from the start due to scarcity. Two, he can be laid-back, cool or whatever, because he doesn't need to impress her. This coolness adds to the challenge and his perceived confidence, making him more attractive still.

As to your question how to utilize this phenomenon, I am not sure. How about suddenly saying "Look, it's Bill Clinton!!" whilst pointing to yourself? Or otherwise find out what famous person in particular she finds attractive, elicit those feelings and values, and mirror it back to her by talking about Mr. X and pointing to self. I hope someone can pick something from this and run away with it.

Max: A few days ago I was with Clifford, and I was telling him about an encounter that took place between me and an attractive bartender (I've posted the details a few weeks back, but I'm posting it again below)

Clifford told me that he knows that once I get such a response as the one I got, I should be able to lead to a close. A strong response, whether positive or negative, could be turned into something.

=> My questions, what strategy would be effective from where I left off, to lead to a close?

The bartender was an attractive blond that everybody was hitting on. She seemed to be dynamic behind the bar, and was 'displaying' a lot of confidence. I ordered my 'Corona' and waited for the moment when she was not busy, as she let up a cigarette and passed across me on the other side of the counter; Me: How long have you been working here? She: I've worked here as a waitress for a year, and I've been a bartender for about two weeks. Me: You seem to be comfortable at your stage, and, despite those big ear rings you are wearing, I see that you are dynamic and move with ease.

=> My strategy is to deal two cards, a neg one and a positive one, and see which card she draws.

She: Oh, you don't like my ear rings?

=> She drew the neg card.

Me: Yes, I don't . (true, I didn't like them and I thought they were too big)

At this moment, she leaned forward toward me (she was fully erect while talking to others)

She: Those are the biggest I've got. It is the first time I wear them. Me: I see that a smaller set would allow more exposure to your face. By the way, let me ask you this; a lot of people seem to talk with you around here, how do you differentiate between those who are trying to pick you up (Pointing far to the right) and those who really want to get to know you ( SP )? She: Ummm, I guess I don't care. At that moment, she was called by another bartender, and she said 'Stay here, I'll be right back' . I then said "I've to go now, see you."

=> I could have stayed if I knew the strategy to follow from where I left off, or from the time where she responded to my neg . Ideas?

Tristan: A friend of mine who is very good with the ladies told me his boldest approach. He was in a bar, some moron was boring and annoying the shit out of an HB . After observing the situation and giving her knowing smiles and looks, he walks over to her (remember, he had never seen, spoken, or talked to her before) casually puts his hand on her shoulder and whispers into her ear: Would you like me to get rid of this guy for you?'' ''You could do that?'' she answers. ''Yes'' he says and leans over and plants a massive kiss right on her lips. The moron, just stood there completely shocked, then walks away with his tail between his legs. She looks at my buddy completely stunned, but yet totally grateful. He just says: ''You're welcome'' and walks away. The only thing I wonder is why the hell he didn't pursue it. I have no doubt he would have seduced her without breaking a sweat. I'm waiting for the opportunity to try that one myself...

Halbmike: Here is a clip from a recent IM dialogue with someone who I've been seeing for over a year. I clipped this to help illustrate the art of fluffing. More importantly, this dialogue illustrates how to turn a boring, mundane routine experience into something more interesting. It is also a good example of the way that I typically communicate, and I have communicated for as long as I can remember. I logged on specifically to find her and invite her to immediately log off and do something with me. Bold faced Paretheticals a"( )" are comments that I added for this list, but she did not receive. Halbmike: Hello Halbmike: You've been selected!!! (Gets curiosity) Halbmike: Congratulations!!! (Word is a positive anchor for most people) Halbmike: HER Team is inviting you to participate in the challenge Halbmike: It is a Survivor like Reality based challenge Halbmike: HER Team after a careful screening believes that you are an appropriate candidate, and hopes that you will accept this great challenge (sets a challenge) Halbmike: It is HER Team's belief that you will find the challenge to be an exciting, delightful, and rewarding experience. (sets a frame) HB : ??? Halbmike: The Horny Erotic Response Team would like to invite you to participate in the DRIP Challenge (humor, and additional frame setting) HB : LOL...LOL Halbmike: Dry Relief In Panties HB : lol Halbmike: The rules of the challenge involve: (I am now the one setting rules, and I've framed it in a way so that she wants to play along) HB : ok... Halbmike: 1) Attending a movie HB : ok HB : any particular type of movie? Halbmike: 2) Your movie companion will be Mr. Halbmike, Esq. A.K.A The Wetter, SCUBA Mike, The Iron Brief Man HB : lol...lol HB : ok Halbmike: 3) The challenge will be to see how long you can keep your panties dry HB : yeah...right....depends on the movie and if my escort is going to keep his appendages to himself Halbmike: 4) It is your escort's responsibility to make this a challenge for you Halbmike: 5) Tonite's movie selection will be the Tiger movie. HB : I already lost.... just the thought of the challenge makes me wet HB : And what is the Tiger movie about??? Halbmike: Some HER Team rebels play a different game. "Can I keep my panties wet through the whole movie" (I like to give people challenges, yet successful experiences) HB : Oh, that's easy...I'll win that Halbmike: Because HER Team takes pride in rigorous, vigorous challenge BenWaaaaaaaahhhhhh Balls will not be permitted during the event. It must be accomplished by using abilities that already exist completely within you HB : lol...lol... ohhhhh...I can't use my aids HB : or any toys??? Halbmike: Aids and Toys of exceptional creativity will be rewarded. However, they must be submitted to the HER Team for approval. HB : lol HB : This looks interesting....did u really want to see it tonight? Halbmike: No. I was just pretending. I am a movie-watcher wannabe. Yes, I do want to see it. HB : Tonight? HB : Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Halbmike: My virus paranoia tells me that if I click on that web site I might be tricked and get a virus. I could be tricked by either a very smart virus program that picks out key words and slips them in as apparently innocent hyperlinks sent by a friend, or by the secret Sinister HB , but I am feeling wild and reckless tonite. (no, that was not intended as a setup for anal sex later in the nite ; ) HB : Go for it Halbmike: I am going to click after I do my virus vanquishing/vanishing ritual. Virus be Damned!!!! (The above is mainly humor with her making fun of my own extreme paranoia about computer viruses. Incidentally, a person's attitude and caution here MIGHT be metaphoric and a signal about how cautious they are about other types of viruses, i.e. STDs.) HB : lol HB : ommmmmmmmmmmmmmm Halbmike: "Go for it" just what the virus installers would want me to do. Exactly what they'd say. HB : The only difference is that I don't own a virus debugging software company Halbmike: I shall meditate on the peacefulness of a pool of carrot juice (inside joke) and click my heels (Pilates penguin style of course), and all shall be swell. (I highly recommend Pilates based workouts)

Sisonpyh: (Responding to a request of mine to elaborate on how he gets women to be begging for sex): You know, Cliff... the funny thing about this is that it really originated in a conversation you and I had a few years ago. We were talking one night, and you told me that you liked to get women worked up on the telephone so they're all hot and bothered with voice and sensual talk, etc. Of course, this made me go home and ask myself "How the hell do you DO THAT?" So I worked on this one for a long time, brainstormed about it, and figured out how to get women worked up on the phone by talking about cuddling, kissing, etc. to the point where they say "I'm starting to get turned on" etc... this was a natural extension of that conversation with you, my man. To answer the 'How do you make a woman beg you to have sex with her?' question, I'm going to reprint a section that I wrote earlier, and add a bit to it. Here's what I said in my original post: "I have personally always liked the way women smell. So when she's laying next to me with me stroking her hair, I begin to smell her shoulders. Just a little at first, and then more and more, while stroking her hair. Within about 5 or 10 minutes, I'm smelling her neck and ears. No kissing, and no groping at all. Never! I'm just smelling, then leaning back and acting like I'm completely enjoying the smelling, and it's relaxing me. Try this, my friends. If you can keep on smelling, she'll get so turned on that you won't believe it! At some point she'll try to kiss me, which is what I'm waiting for. I will let her lips get close to mine, even touch just a teensy bit and then I'll back away. And keep smelling. I might say "Oh, you're kind of forward". Love it. After a few of these, I'll kiss her, and run my hands through her hair. The whole romantic kiss thing, then, again, I'll stop. I personally like it when a woman is pleading with me to make love to her. Which I can do almost every time (Please don't take this as bragging, which it surely is. But I'm serious. It's damn fun.)" And here are a couple of how to's for the beg me routine: 1) When I'm kissing and making out with the girl, as soon as it starts to get a little heavy, I'll stop and whisper in her ear "I'm not going to sleep with you tonight..." then I'll pause and say "You're going to have to beg me if you want it." At this point, the girl usually scoffs or laughs at me and says "Yeah, right. I'm not going to beg you." OK, admittedly this is a little ballsy and requires complete fucking faith in what you're doing. You can't half-ass this one, because she'll pick up on it immediately and you really won't be sleeping with her tonight. But if you say it with conviction, and you don't act like a pussy when she scoffs or laughs or acts fake offended, you might get a surprise... Anyways, when I've done it in the past (many times) we'll usually start the kissing again... and then I'll be very patient and just keep making out with her... but not overtly touching her sexually. I'm waiting for her to start doing something that is sexual... for instance grinding her hips on me... or grabbing my ass... whatever. When I'm patient, the chick will usually do something that is subtly sexual FIRST. This is key, as she's then the aggressor.... Then I do a little verbal move and say "All you have to do is say PLEASE." I'm laughing as I write this... damn, this is great. So the first time, she'll say "No, no, no... I'm not going to beg you..." and I just say "OK"... Then I roll over or just lay back and look up... away from her. This usually makes the chick begin to wonder what the fuck is going on, and come over and start cuddling, kissing, etc. me again. I keep on with the sensual kissing, breathing in her ears... all that good stuff... and when she gets worked up again and I hear her breathing get faster, heart rate increase, etc. I just say "All you have to do is say PLEASE..." OK, you get the idea... I keep doing this until she says "OK OK, please... please..." Last time I did this, when she said 'PLEASE' I said back to her "Um, no... you made me wait too long, so now you have to wait..." The funny part is, even though all of this shit sounds like torture in writing, women LOVE IT! All of the most extreme sounding things that I've written, when presented in a cocky and funny way are like a woman's ultimate dream live. Go and make them beg... it's damn fun.

Thranduil:
> Halbmike:
> Those of you who've been around Cliff's list, the SS list or other groups
> for
> a while know that I believe in seduction that empowers women. I don't
> believe in being the jerk that women love. I believe in honest,
> straightforward, practical empowerment that works by inducing wonderful
> feelings in yourself and others. I believe that anyone can get great
> results with this approach.

I partially agree with you, but the problem with your approach is that it doesn't work with super HB 's or extremely confident women. The reason is that they already have all the power, because they are used to it. The other men always give them this power. You can't empower them because in their mind, they have more power than you. The neg is useful in cases like that. With a neg , you get her to fall down from her pedestal and realize that you are different and have more power than other men and her... Personally, I only use neg hits on women who obviously think that they have the power over me, to show them that they are wrong. In all other situations, negs are not useful.
> The more I seduce the more I realize there is no such
> thing as a 1 nite stand. Our communication and our behaviors may affect
> people long after we are gone. Here is a story that powerfully illustrates
> how a person was affected by one date.
>
> Recently I was talking with a 31 year old attractive woman friend. She
> dates
> a friend of mine. She was talking about getting a nose job. She told me
> that she is very self conscious about her big nose. This captured my
> curiosity so I decided to do some probing. I learned that when she was a
> freshman in college she went on one date with some guy who told her that she
> had a really beautiful face except for one thing...her nose is too big.
> Note, that I said "one date" because that guy didn't get another date.
> Before this asshole told her his opinion, she thought her nose was fine. In
> fact, I think her nose is fine. Her nose fits her face very well, and it
> has
> a cute shape. For over 10 years she was made self conscious because he
> decided to use a neg hit.

The problem in your story is that this is not a neg hit. This is an insult. A neg hit should be reserved for HB 's, and never be about her body or about something she is not responsible for (or so she thinks), ex: nose, breast size, weight... Because by doing so you are directly attacking her. A good neg could be, for example, about her hair cut, fingernail coloring, shoes, some of her clothes, something stupid or funny she said... In that case this is not her that you criticize but something she did or has. You are not attacking what she is but what she does and this is the whole difference. I agree with you, the guy of your story is an asshole (or a stupid guy, but he is not a seducer).
> This neg hit jerk didn't know her full history. As a baby, Lucy's eye was
> blinded and disfigured by an accident. Children made fun of her calling her
> Cyclops and similar names. Despite this handicap Lucy managed to excel at
> many things, and made friends. When Lucy was 13 she was at the mall with
> her friends when some girl about 16 started shouting "Oh my God. Gross,
> look
> at her eye." Needless to say Lucy became very self conscious about her eye.
> Lucy decided to get her eye enucleated, but she had to wait until she was
> 16. The doctors gave Lucy a magnificent fake eye. It matches her other
> eye. People can't tell the difference. Finally, for the first time in her
> life, Lucy got to be pretty. And, yes, she was very pretty. Unfortunately
> for Lucy she only got to enjoy being pretty for about a year or two before
> this asshole had to go digging up her scar. These are powerful tools.

It is why a neg hit should never be about something she can't change. The goal is not to destroy the girl, but to get her down for her pedestal, in order to be able to approach her ...and seduce her.

DeepBlue:
> Optimus:
> Virtually guaranteed ways to get laid:
>
> 1. Be famous
> 2. Make lots of money.
>
> What is it specifically about these two things that
> are so attractive and
> desirable to women?

[portions cut for brevity]

Optimus continues...
> How can we, effectively steal everything that a very
> famous, very wealthy
> man could give to a woman, and link it to ourselves,
> so that there is
> essentially ZERO difference between us and a
> famous/wealthy person in her
> mind? Other than putting her into somnambulism and
> telling her that we are
> wealthy and famous person? I'm sure people out
> there have already thought
> about this, and have developed some cool techniques
> to do it. If anybody
> has any ideas or methods for this, please share.
> I'd also like to know if
> people think this is irrelevant, and not worth
> investigating.

[more portions cut for brevity]
>Clifford says:
> I think you have hit an important nail on the head
> and I would like to hear from everyone with ideas
> about this.

Okay, you wanted to hear from everyone so let me suggest an "alternate" point of view for Optimus to consider: Have you ever found yourself in a new and special place and you suddenly saw things differently so that all sorts of things you thought were SO important suddenly seem laughably unimportant? Can you imagine a rich and famous man at home in his beautiful mansion...yet feeling so unhappy and depressed, despite all his fame and riches, that he blows his brains out? Now can you also imagine some dirt poor guy wiping the sweat from his forehead after a long day of work outdoors and he has a big happy smile on his face for no particular reason other than his love of life?

If you find this special place inside yourself and you experience it deeply then it will practically radiate from you. Your deeper vision of life will touch the women you talk to and, without being able to explain it, they will see life differently in your presence.

The fame and wealth these women are programmed to run towards like little windup dolls will suddenly appear to them as a pile of worthless glitter that perpetually promises happiness but can never actually deliver. Suddenly they will not want to waste another moment of their short precious lives on such things.

Incidentally, this deeper truth is hinted at in stories like the movie Titanic, and that is why women respond to that movie as powerfully as they do.

Oh, and regarding "AssMan"...
> Girl 2 was a Chinese chick outside the university
> library. After I grabbed her ass, she whipped
> around ,faced me, and said something
> unintelligible, I commanded her to RELEASE YOUR
> INNER GODDESS, follow my voice and surrender to the
> ultimate sensation that you feel penetrating you
> NOW. I paused, she said "ok"

Fucking-A! :-)

Bucky: I just had my first ever club- sarging experience. I went by myself and it was not too positive. I felt exactly like I did when I first started sarging in public. It's weird because I don't have problems making approaches at my normal hunting grounds (usually coffee shops, bookstores,and malls), but clubs are a completely different environment. I only made two approaches and they were quite short lived. It seems like SS languaging would be difficult because of the noise, so I imagine your game must be conveyed mostly in your attitude. I have a couple questions: first, since so many girls get real "dressed up" when they go to clubs, is there any way to tell the difference between the ones that want to fuck and the ones that want to fuck w/ guys? Also, could some of you experts offer some general suggestions for someone who is just starting out doing club sarging ? I'm guessing that clubs offer the biggest challenge for the PUA / SS 'er. Also, if there are any pros in the Southern California area that are willing to help me in regard to clubs (or whatever) please contact me at bucky_r@hotmail.com . thanks.

Assman Did anyone see Ross Jeffries on TLC, The Learning Channel The Science of Seduction on Feb. 14? Very good bit, although a lot must have been edited, I would have liked to see the whole seduction. He used pure hypnosis, got the girl to focus on an object, a flower, got her to visualize it and close her eyes. The girl was definitely in a trance, and seemed to enjoy the experience, at the end Ross asked her for her phone #, "not just because the cameras are here" she readily agreed and seemed to have genuine interest in Ross.

Ross was very good, a real master at delivering a hypnotic pattern. From all my past experience, I know that inducing a lowered state of consciousness is the most effective way to acquire a women. Forget about approaches, gimmicks, and what you smell like, learn those patterns, memorize them, and improve your delivery of them; it's what matters most.

The hypno pattern in Ross's book about 'his friend Mike' is a good one. Would like to see some postings of more hypno inductions/patterns.