The Stare-at-Her-Like-a-Perv-then-GTFO Opener
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community. All underwent their remarkable transformations into masters of the game from the hypnosis and training delivered by none other than Steve P., the ultimate inner game specialist. Now Steve P. is making his unique training available on a very select basis to a few individuals. Steve is booked up most of the time, and coordinating schedules can be challenging. Those of you in Canada should note that he will be in Montreal from February 18 to March 2, 2009, and will also be taking appointments for sessions during that time. For more information, please contact him at: thetranceworks@hotmail.com
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Playing it Cool, Creeping Her Out, and Everything You Need to Know about Bar Game
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How to Create a Circle of Female Friends
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Common Sense Confidence
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How to Party Like a Rock Star and Still Bring Home the Girl
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I think the pervasive viewpoint in the community is that getting laid equals being happy. The community is becoming more of a cult-like “getting laid as a yard stick” measure, removing all other elements from the equation. Yet there are a huge number of elements that go into the skills of meeting and dating. Communication skills, social awareness, confidence, positive mindset, the ability to adapt and adjust: each one of these traits is a skill in itself. Without any one of them, there won’t be a lay, and there won’t be enjoyment.
To all the guys in community, there are no short cuts. None. You will not find a system that gives you a short cut to all those skills. If you think that getting laid equals success with women, then you are in for a large disappointment. You are much better off addressing the skills I have mentioned, and then letting them come together.
But the community tends to stress how to get laid faster, sooner, and more effectively. Which is BS. If you have no social skills, no amount of material will get you a girl or a relationship. If you have been reading material for past 3 months, year, or 5 years, and your dating life is stagnating (or getting worse,) or your meeting and dating life improved but you still feel unhappy, then it's likely you should concentrate more on yourself and less on how to get a girl in bed.
“I don't post things which don't work very well for me, but the only thing that really matters is your results.”
I have a problem with “results” used in this context, since results are not the same as getting laid. In fact, his results are not the only thing that matters. It is what he defines as “results.” If having fun is a result, then it is all that matters. Getting laid is not equivalent to results. Results in the community are usually measured by the amount of sex, which saddens me greatly. I am noticing this trend a lot more lately than when I got into community in early 2000s.
“I personally don't have the patience for day 3 or day 4, and when you can consistently get the same thing on day 1, most likely neither will you.”
This is a problem, you see. It’s not about patience. If you're not enjoying a woman’s company, then you are there just to get laid, so it is no surprise that there is no patience. If I couldn’t stand a girl, I probably wouldn’t have patience, either. I am surprised you even tolerate her enough to get a SNL.
I was never one into SNLs, since I prefer day game, but a for long time I had day 2 closes like no tomorrow. And guess what ? I learned that if I don’t like a girl, I won’t like her the next day, either. Patience is necessary only when there is no actual liking involved. A very sad night lay indeed. Since then, I learned that a lay is not a measurement. In fact, I will walk away from a girl whose company I don’t enjoy.
The community has reduced success in meeting and dating women to a simple ratio of getting laid. Yet, this is not about finding the lowest common denominator. I want to stress: ask yourself one question when you are meeting women. Are you having fun ? This is one of the most important questions you can ask yourself, and if going on a day 2 or 3 or whatever is not fun, then walk away when you meet her. Don’t wait 3 or 4 meetings just to get laid. Getting laid and having fun are not mutually exclusive. As you meet women that you enjoy, the “seduction” part will never be the issue. It will be a given.
You will save yourself time, energy, and will have a lot more fun on your own by forgetting about women you don’t enjoy. Rather than chasing a woman whom you can barely tolerate, walk away and go grab a burger and beer with friends, or even on your own. It is a lot more fun. If sex is the only yardstick, then just chasing punani will happen a lot, and forgetting how to have joy and fun becomes massive problem. Let’s put it this way. Any activity, be it sports or hobbies or anything else, you do because you like to do it. You get pleasure, you have fun while sky diving, playing tennis, or even collecting stamps. If you like tennis, you will want to play it. If you don’t like it, let’s say you get hurt or get tired, you will stop doing it. Once it becomes a chore, you won’t do it anymore.
Do you guys think that meeting women is any different ? If you are not enjoying the process of meeting and dating, if you are not having fun, you will stop. You will only be on these boards reading, trying to find “the magic bullet.”(www.lovesystems.com/magic-bullets) Then you will come out once in a while, get hurt, and go back, because you are not enjoying the process. You are not having fun. You are not happy. When it all comes down to just “lays,” it is very hard to enjoy yourself, hard to have fun, with outcome and expectations attached.
This is not just about sex. The community is not just about sex, or at least shouldn’t be just about sex. It is about self-improvement, empowerment, gaining confidence, learning communication skills, and self-expression. Yet guys who are very in-depth in the community are usually the ones that need the most help, or are the most confused by the vast and often contradictory material that they read. Only one thing has to change for guys who are confused, and that’s asking a question: am I having fun ? Just a simple and pure question that cuts through clatter of routines, trying to get laid, trying for the sake of just trying.
Here is a kicker; the amount of sex will not make you happier.
Pretty Women Out Walking with Gorillas Down My Street
“Pretty women out walking with gorillas down my street
From my window I'm staring while my coffee grows cold
Look over there ... ... ... (Where ?)
There's a lady that I used to know
She's married now, or engaged, or something, so I am told
Is she really going out with him ?
Is she really gonna take him home tonight ?
Is she really going out with him ?
'Cause if my eyes don't deceive me,
There's something going wrong around here”
--Joe Jackson (“Is She Really Going Out With Him”, Look Sharp, 1978)
As guys, we have a tendency to believe women think like we do when it comes to attraction. Or more specifically, I guess you could say we tend to think women process attraction similarly to how we do.
For example, since we evaluate women as potential sexual partners based largely on physical appearance (at least initially,) we assume women do also. Hence Joe Jackson’s little “dilemma” above.
But the reality is what it is: women really, truly don’t want a guy who is “prettier” than they are. They want something else. And it’s not what you want, necessarily.
Similarly, it’s often not even what you want them to want, either. So sometimes, women end up with guys who just don’t “compute” according to our way of thinking.
And that manner of assuming the entire world thinks exactly like we do, be its inhabitants male or female, is a real killer.
Not only is it obviously arrogant to see things that way, it’s flat-out short-sighted. It’s just not the case.
You can argue with reality, or you can get in step with it.
So it’s time to face it: we just cannot hamfist a woman’s feelings of attraction. The floor is littered with the smashed dreams of guys who argue with reality according to women.
Meanwhile, the women we desire can be out with the same guys we shake our heads at—and utterly thrilled with them.
In order to get a completely different perspective on all of this, today I’m going to give you the benefit of seeing what happens when a woman thinks in this way. What does it look like when she considers men to process attraction the way she does ?
This may finally clarify how all of this works.
To that end, let me share with you something that happened earlier this morning.
I got a call on Skype from a woman in Ireland who has just recently met a guy, and had a few questions.
They met, had what appeared to be a decent first date, and he has asked her out again.
But … he has since asked her a question via email that has troubled her immensely. Offhandedly, he asked her what her interests and hobbies were.
Now the woman is very concerned, because she doesn’t have “exciting, action-packed” hobbies. Further, she’s worried that her ambitions and life-plan aren’t going to be enough to impress this new guy.
In short, she’s assuming that we as guys think like she does.
You see, women are wildly attracted to men with ambition, motivation and passion … typically manifested in a plan that makes a woman feel safe and secure, and to which she can willingly hitch her wagon.
So when the guy (who was probably just making small talk) asked the question he did, she automatically assumed he was looking for the same answers she would be looking for.
But really, my guess was that he would be perfectly happy with sharing his exciting world with her, and welcoming her to some new and cool pastimes.
Ultimately, as I shared with her, her new friend was likely most interested in knowing that she was up for some exciting adventures along the way, as opposed being reticent to join in the fun.
It was a huge burden off of her shoulders to know she didn’t have to provide the plan, or be the source of those exciting adventures.
You may be rolling your eyes at this point.
Seriously, when was the last time you needed a woman to be a world-class skydiver, or have a plan for world domination in her back pocket ?
The answer is probably “never.” In fact, we as guys usually would rather not have to deal with such “intimidating” factors.
We want to lead. We want women to approve of our plan and jump on the bandwagon with us.
And in the case of the woman I talked to this morning, the guy had already asked her out on a second date. She had succeeded at creating attraction.
For her, it’s now time to go with the flow instead of (*ahem*) pre-disqualifying herself based on … wait for it … her own assumptions that men process attraction the way she does.
Otherwise, she’s talking herself out of success with men in a similar way to how we as guys talk ourselves out of success with women.
So yes. All of us—men and women alike—appear to be going around assuming that MOTOS (Members of the Opposite Sex) are attracted to what we’re attracted to.
Yet, at the same time men and women also tend to consider the opposite gender “enigmatic,” pronouncing the possibility of understanding members thereof “impossible.”
So which is it ? Do they think like we do, or are they “impossible” to figure out ?
It can’t be both … unless, of course, we haven’t even figured ourselves out yet.
And let’s face it. You’ve got to know what you want in a woman. You’ve got to put aside the obstacles of the past, recognise what your desires are, and then deserve what you want.
Really, the issue is that understanding women and attracting them does not involve a bunch of high-tech mumbo-jumbo. It simply is a matter of finding out what women want from a great man, and representing that to them.
The result ? Great women in your life.
A Few of My Most Awesome Openers, Now Revealed
Finally, I am revealing my dynamite openers. You, too, can now be as awesome as I am.
1. The Broken Glass Opener
My technical term for this kind of opener is a Directly-Indirect-40-Degree-Angle-Retro-Opener, because it forces the girls to open you instead of the reverse. I was out at a bar, drinking with a friend. Suddenly, 2 girls sit down at the table next to us. A few minutes later, my friend raises his glass for a toast to ... whatever. I then proceed literally to smash my glass against his, and the bottom breaks, soaking my pants with Mojito. The result: we get the 2 girls' attention. They turn towards us and ask us what this toast was for. The next logical step is, of course, to say that the toast was to her, and to explain that you've started taking steroids recently and have trouble adjusting. This is dynamite, highly recommended.
P.S. My initial intent wasn't to break the glass. Note that I did not successfully close this girl. When that happens, I highly recommend that you blame the wingman.
2. The Stare-at-Her-Like-a-Perv-then-GTFO Opener
Finally, an opener that resulted in some closes (which is a good thing, because I had no wingman to blame.) This opener consists in staring like a perv at the girl, preferably at close range. Staring like a perv is an art I developed by spending countless hours and hundreds of dollars at strip clubs. However, someone with even the most basic perv-staring skills can pull this off as well. The first time I tried it was at a club. I did the perv-staring for about 15 seconds at very close range (talking range) then left without saying a word. A few minutes later, as I was chatting with a friend, I felt a dancing ass rubbing against me. It was her. Now, this only resulted in a phone number close that led nowhere, because I'm horrible at phone game.
The second time I tried it was in the metro. Same thing. Staring without saying a word for maybe 10 seconds, then looking away. I was standing, holding the pole. She came closer to me, and literally put herself in front of me, facing me, at really close range. I immediately understood it was on, so I just looked at her, we held eye contact, smiled, and then I reached in for a kiss. Now, this girl was possibly the horniest female creature I've ever met, so results may vary. Note that this is non-verbal push-and-pull, and the pull part is important. If you never ever pull, different things might happen.
3. The Porn Audition Opener
As some of you know, some time ago I contemplated the idea of starting a hardcore porn business (until I remembered that I'm not a millionaire.) I went so far as to do some actress recruiting, and got to do some "interviews." One of those interviews went approximately like this:
P.S. I never hired that woman ... or any other woman.
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