2008/11/24

She Won't Be Able to Resist You

This issue of Cliff's List features Scot McKay's guide to provoking feline utterances, Spidey's challenge to the challenged, and some guy in the military who gets ignored on Facebook. Find out why Persian Player isn't ashamed of his stomach, why Etienne doesn't get confused, how iceman_MTL broke a camel's back, and why Zardoz is feared for his power. Also, how to address your woman when you're home late after a night out with the guys. More guts, or more balls? Just pray there aren't any heroic dogs around.

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Index To This Edition of Cliff's List
Events
- Love Systems Boot Camp - Montreal

Freebies
- Scot McKay: Free Stuff from X & Y Communications Facebook Group
- Students of David DeAngelo: Audio Interview with Rion Williams
- You've Been DramaTeled
- IceDragon and Tom Burke: Dating Discussion Podcast
- Frank Kermit: How To Run A Successful Non-Commercial Lair

Articles & Content
- Scot McKay: How to Plan a “Day Two” That Will Blow Her Away
- Spidey: Very Important to Everyone ! Please Read !
- Race and Kelly: Question from Rob
- Persian Player: LRLook up this term: The Salsa Girl
- Etienne: How to Filter What You Read to Keep Your Sanity
- iceman_MTL: Sticking Point: Day 2s-The Straw that Broke the Camel’s Back
- Zardoz: The PUALook up this term Life, Part One of Forever ?
- Vinay: The International Council of Man Laws
- Review: Richard La Ruina's first book

A Few New Promos
- Spidey: Art of Attraction
- Lance Mason: Spycam Seductions on Tape
- Vin DiCarlo: NoFlakes NoJailTime
- David Wygant: Exclusive Online Community
- Slade Shaw: Get the Girl Guide
- IceDragon: Real Attraction Secrets: The Complete Guide to the IceDragon Method
- Ghita: Montreal Angel WingLook up this terms
- Nige 54: Around the World in 80 Babes !
- Ray Devans: Art of the Pickup: Tactics & Techniques
- Brent: Monthly Podcast

Events
Love Systems:
There will be a Love Systems boot camp led by Cajun in Montreal, December 19-21. Register here:
www.lovesystems.com/

Freebies
Scot McKay:
Scot McKay from X & Y Communications has launched a Facebook Group called “Free Stuff From X & Y Communications.” The name says it all. If you are on Facebook, join at profile.to/freestuff. Add Scot as a friend by visiting profile.to/scot-mckay

Students of David DeAngelo:
The DavidDStudents.com new free audio interview with Rion Williams is out now! You can download it for free by visiting www.daviddstudents.com

You've Been DramaTeled:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg3LRv6LsQw

IceDragon:
IceDragon and Tom Burke have a new dating discussion podcast, available on IceDragon's website: www.realattractionsecrets.com/ebook

Frank Kermit:
Frank did a lecture recently for all those who are interested in becoming moderators or Lair leaders in the future. This is a multiple part lecture where the first three sections are already available for free downloading (mp3s) with more to be posted shortly at www.FBKradio.com.

Articles & Content Begins Here:
Scot McKay (www.the-leading-man.com/):
How to Plan a “Day Two” That Will Blow Her Away

Lately I've been getting an intriguing amount of e-mail from guys who have read or listened to some of our material and have begun to succeed wildly at getting women's numbers.

Others have reported that they're writing e-mails to women online that are starting to get the desired results.

And, of course, what follows logically from all of that is first dates … you know, "day twos" or "first meetings," as I'd prefer to call them.

Labelling the act of hanging out with a woman for the first time a "date" tends to turn the event into a real "pressure cooker," so the first step when planning to meet a woman for the first time is to keep things casual.

The important thing is to evaluate whether the two of you even get along ? especially if you're meeting someone you've been talking to online.

But that doesn't stop us as guys from trying to impress a woman on a first date, does it ?

For the record, I remain convinced that "trying to impress a woman" in its most basic form is not a good idea. The keyword being "trying." When a woman senses you are overtly attempting to amaze her, you've already lost half the battle.

Trying too hard = needy and desperate. That's all there is to it.

But here's the part that gets lost in translation.

You…um…kind of do want her to be impressed with you, don't you ?

Darn skippy.

If she isn't, then you're going nowhere. Fast.

In a sense, it's kind of like being cool. The more effortless it is, the more likely it is to succeed.

And that's the part that I'm getting asked about a lot lately by guys who are starting to get the opportunities with women they've always wanted.

What in the world do you do at a "first meeting ?"

And on top of that, how exactly is a guy supposed to "impress her" without trying to "impress her ?"

Heretofore, most of what you have read out there has likely either been about how to be a "natural" (while assuming such on your part) or else how to "Frankenstein" a bunch of steps together to help you replicate being "natural."

Well, here's a novel concept: how about fine-tuning what may already be a part of your existing skill setLook up this term or existing persona so as to be better with women ?

In other words, what about considering attraction as a dynamic skill setLook up this term that can actually be learned ?

There are about a thousand ways to improve your chances when meeting a woman for the first time. Let me be clear about that.

But given the constraints of a weekly newsletter, today I'm going to introduce to you a particularly powerful one I'll call "Mind Triggering."

That term probably isn't original to me by any stretch, but it sounds good and describes what I've got in mind perfectly. So I'm going with it.

Here's how it goes.

From now on, every time you are out in your metro area, start actively observing your surroundings in the context of planning first meetings.

All too often we blindly go from point "A" to point "B" without really looking around. Even when out socially or in some other "relaxed" setting, we tend to absorb ourselves in our immediate surroundings rather than noting at a deeper level what is around us.

Chalk it up to being over stimulated or too busy as a society, but I've noticed that there can be the most amazing sunset of all time unfolding before our collective eyes, and almost nobody around stops to take notice.

So my bet is almost none of us as guys proactively scan our landscape for great places to take women. Not just restaurants or clubs, mind you, but anywhere and everywhere.

From now on, start doing that.

But that's the easy part, of course. That's a "no-brainer."

Here's the mindset that takes that simple exercise to a whole new level.

Whenever you spot a cool place, consider what kind of woman would love it.

And what kind of woman would be amazed that you thought to take her there ?

Start thinking like this, and before you know it (perhaps less than a week, even) you'll have a serious list of potential places to take women on “first meetings" … and furthermore, you'll know why they're strategic.

Get out a friggin' pen and paper and make a real, actual list if you need to in order to commit the various options to memory.

Then comes the magical part.

When you get a woman's number or start talking to someone online, do another obvious but often-overlooked thing and get her talking.

Ask her questions about what she's into. What her dreams are. What her favorite things are.

You know, what really excites her.

If you've done the first steps I've shared with you above effectively, what she tells you will start triggering certain spots you've taken note of in your mind.

Listen and therefore intuit the best dating venues/activities based on what you've heard.

Then ... when the time comes to suggest that the two of you hang out together, your plan will be ? as if by magic ? exactly what will amaze her most.

There will be no planting her in your passenger seat and asking her "what she wants to do." No chest pounding about your cars, boats, etc. will be necessary (as if …) No drama with regard to "trying to impress" her whatsoever.

Only you having heard that the greatest trip she ever went on was to Greece back in college … and taking her to that hole-in-the-wall Greek restaurant for lunch.

Or, you having heard she was all-state choir in high school … and hitting the coolest karaoke bar in town.

OR, you having figured out she's a "wellspring of useless information" … and challenging her to "Buzztime" trivia where you know they've got it.

And if she's interested in jazz, tango dancing, Brazil, hookah, etc., you will know where to take her also.

If she played soccer in high school, craves a perfect Long Island Iced Tea and/or digs rock climbing, you will know how to execute the plan.

Get this right and expect mellifluous and/or downright feline utterances from her to the effect of, "This night was purrrrfect," "It's like you read my mind," or my personal yardstick by which all positive "impressions" are measured: "You're amazing."

And once you've got that handled, you can actually relax ? once and for all ? and get down to assessing the most important question surrounding your meeting together: does she impress you ?


Spidey (www.spideymagic.com/):
Very Important to Everyone ! Please Read !

I was browsing through some topics here today, enlightening myself with Persian Player's philosophies, basking in the glory of some of the successful field reports, and generally enjoying a lot of interesting topics and stories from a number of you, but I came to a realization: most of this is very advanced. And don’t get me wrong; I love how this is a place where people with great success can exchange stories and talk to each other, but this place, as I understand it, is also a place to learn and grow !

So if I may ask for this one favor, not from you active guys, not from the guys who have reached exactly what it is they wanted to reach, but from all you other guys: the ones who are reading these posts and trying to make sense of these shenanigans; the guys who are still trying to find their style, and the ones who try so hard but lack an element of understanding of the women they want to interact with ... I want to hear your stories.

Forget the numbers, forget the kisses, forget the blowjobs and the fucks. If you're new at this and don’t know the terms, forget those too. I want to know what's going on with you !

Maybe you had a girl smile at you in the bus and wondered why and how you can make that happen again. Maybe a girl in class was actually enjoying herself talking to you. Maybe you engaged a few girls in a conversation in a bar that lasted more than 5 minutes. Sometimes it’s the little things that count, and if you did anything that made you feel that sense of accomplishment, I want to hear about it !

Don’t be shy now ... I’m waiting !


Race and Kelly (www.windowshoppingforwomen.com/):
Question from Rob

Have you ever spent a lot of time sending out tons of messages to attractive girls online, only to receive back few or no replies at all ? If you're like most guys, the answer is yes.

That is why we want to go over probably the absolute biggest frustration guys have when it comes to meeting women online. In fact, it is the reason most guys give up before they taste any type of success. Here's a common question we get:

Hey Race and Kelly,

I have played around with MySpace and Facebook on and off over the last two years but never really saw anything come from it. Most of my messages are never responded to. What am I doing wrong ? What can I do to make a girl want to respond to me ? Thanks for any help.

Rob

Our response:

When we first started messaging girls on MySpace and Facebook a few years back, we were having less than stellar results, but we were determined to crack the code. So thousands of messages and hundreds of girls later we have come to some startling conclusions.

First off, most guys don't know how to design their profiles to demonstrate their attractive qualities. Just as startling, most guys send out the exact same type of message. This message is extremely boring and highly ineffective. What are most guys doing wrong ?

1) They start off by giving the girl a compliment.
2) They point out something they have in common based on her profile and suggest that because of that they should chat sometime.
3) They tell their whole life story in an attempt to "sell" themselves to her.

Here are a couple of examples that a girl we met off MySpace forwarded over to us just this week. Keep in mind she gets an inbox full of these types of messages on a daily basis ... and that's even with her profile setLook up this term to private !

Subject: What's up ?
Body: Hey there, Beautiful ! How's life treating you ? I just wanted to say hello and see what's up with you ! So ... what's crackin with you ? Anyway, Get back at me and let me know what's good !
Subject: Hi
Body: hey there beautiful hows it going ? my name is Jr. im 6'2 195 lbs. i used to be in the military and im currenlty in collage for massage theraphy and working. im a hopeless romantic. i had my heart broken to many times. i dont like to lie and i wont cheat on a girl and i just cant do it anyways. i cant live with the guilt id rather ...
Blah blah blah ... A girl won't even read that much.

The point is, these types of messages don't work. And they don't work for many reasons. Imagine you are an attractive girl and, after having guys hit on you all day long, you log into your MySpace/Facebook account and open a message from a guy you don't know, and he is telling you how beautiful you are and is listing all the reasons why he is the perfect guy for you.

That would get pretty old pretty quickly, right ? No wonder girls don't respond to this.

So the question is ...

How can you become the guy who consistently meets up with all those cute girls online ?

We'll start by looking at a different approach to writing the opening message.

The primary goals of an opening message are to be read and to receive a response. Nothing more. You don't need to show her how rich you are or how cool you are. You don't have anything to prove to her. This is not to say that the direct approach doesn't work. It just works far less often because 40 other guys are using the same "strategy."

Remember, the only purpose of the opening message is to get the conversation going. Soon, she won't even remember how the conversation started because she'll be having too much fun talking to you.

The anatomy of a good opening message is as follows:

Don't show any "real" interest.

Keep it short.

Make statements or pose questions that require more information.

Two things will happen when a girl receives a message like this. First, it will compel her to want to respond to you. Second, she will want to go to your profile to see if she knows you and, if not, to gather more information. This is exactly what you want her to do, because if you have setLook up this term up you profile, your profile will do all the work for you. She will actually get excited to write you back !

Now that she's responded, you're in a conversation and can start to build comfort and attraction and ultimately meet up with her after about 6-8 messages.


Persian Player:
LRLook up this term: The Salsa Girl

As I mentioned in one of my recent posts, hooking up with women from Salsa is very easy.

I have been told that I use a lot of embedded hypnotic commands, and that's absolutely right. I've simply never studied any hypnosis, I guess I'm naturally doing this. My mindset is actually "Make sure the woman knows very well how badly she wants you." Everything flows from there.

I was out at this Salsa place two Sundays ago with my great WingLook up this term, Armada. I've got pretty good salsa skills, so I'm just dancing with everyone. At some point, I notice this cute girl walking past me, we exchange looks and I make sure to smile very dominantly and genuinely. She reciprocates in a very reserved way and sits down to sip on her drink. I grab a few girls and start dancing with them to make sure she notices my skills and other women having fun with me. Having danced with a few women, I go up to her with one of my favorite dance floor openers:

Me: (take her by the wrist) Hey ! Tell me, why haven't you asked me to dance ?
Her: Hehehe something something
I start dancing with her. By the way, when I dance with a girl I like, I simply can't shut the fuck up. I talk talk talk and they always ask, "Aren't you dancing ?" I say "Of course I am, what ? Does it look like I'm singing or something ?" She laughs. I keep telling her about how great my life is and my day was. She asks me where I'm from. I make her guess. She gets it right on the first guess, which is very odd because despite being Persian Player, I don't look Persian at all. She's French Canadian, but she knows a lot about my culture and she starts telling me some words in Persian, telling me how it's the most poetic language and how different it is from Arabic, etc. I reward her good behavior (knowing about my culture) by complimenting her on her openness and her curiosity.

The song ends, and I tell her I'd come see her later. I go dance and game some other girls. Exchange a few numbers and she keeps giving me proximity. I grab her again and dance with her. We sit down and talk some more. I tell her I'm going to this exhibition sometime soon (half bullshit) and she says she's interested to come as well. I ask if she has a cell and tell her I'll try and text her if I go. She readily and enthusiastically gives me her phone number. She has a cute name too (I don't like girls with ugly typical names, I know it sounds weird, but for me it makes a big difference what the chick's name is – if it's Jemima or Bernadette, no way I'm hitting that shit.)

At some point she gets close as we're dancing and starts triangular gazing me and I tell her, "I don't believe how comfortable we are together, I'm not going to do this, but I truly feel like grabbing the back of your hair, pulling you into me and kissing you with all the passion in my heart. But I promise I won't do it, because we've only known each other for 10 minutes and I think it feels way better when both of us really want to kiss but we abstain from kissing just to keep the tension between us." She says "OMG, that's so true, you're like a girl !" Me "I know, I really am like a girl in many ways." And that's so true, I think having a very good understanding of the game and constantly bathing in it makes you somewhat of a chick. I personally notice how I often connect quicker to women than to men. It's almost scary.

I keep dancing with a girl here and a girl there and the night ends. I leave and we don't talk until Thursday, when she messages me about how she's going to Cactus (another Salsa place.) I have class from 7:00 P.M. – 10:00 P.M. so I text her after to see if she's still there. She tells me she is. I say I'll drop by for a bit because I've got a big day tomorrow.

As I'm approaching the metro (close to Cactus and my place), I notice her running towards me wearing only a top. I tell her, "Dude, you're nuts, you'll catch a cold." She says "No, I've been dancing, it feels great to get some fresh air." I take her back to the club to make sure she doesn't get a cold. Weather's pretty awful these days. We get back inside and start dancing. We make some Bachata (Latin slow - my favorite) requests to the DJ and he plays some for us. I notice she's dancing really close. I tell her I can't stay too late, but maybe we can have a tea together before we call it a night. She jumps at my offer and sounds really excited by it.

A few minutes later, I'm gaming some other chick and she comes and grabs my wrist in a jealous way. I tell her, “Hey wait, let me introduce you, this is Horny Chick #2.” Just kidding. Anyway, I introduce them and tell them "The salsa world is such a small world, I think people have to get to know each other." They both fall for the trap and I get the other one's number too. I'll do her soon enough.

The original girl and I go back to the dance floor and I notice she's trying to brush lips against mine. So I reciprocate, which eventually leads to a light make out. I tell her, "I'm not sure it's a great idea to get together for that tea tonight." She says, "But whyyy, it'd be great if we had a tea together." I say "Look, I don't care how direct this sounds, but if I invited you for a tea, I would probably rip your clothes off and make love to you passionately and irresistibly." (This is what was meant when I was told that I use embedded commands - it's true, I do this as a push-pull tactic and a way to make her think of me fucking her like no man's ever fucked a woman before.)

She can't believe it. I tell her, "Let's just go our separate way tonight and imagining each other doing naughty things together." I can see she's disappointed and wants to fuck so bad. I don't care, I'm quite frankly not a very horny guy (once a week would suffice) and I was very tired that night.

I walk her to the metro and go home. A week later, last night, she tells me she's going to Cactus again. I tell her maybe this time we could get together for a tea. I was coming back from a law firm gathering so I was dressed in a suit and needed to change. I pick her up at the metro and go straight to my place with the pretext of changing. I change in front of her to show her how comfortable I am. By the way, I don't have an attractive stomach. Hairy with a belly. I change into something comfortable and tell her she has to give me a massage because I'm fucking tired. She agrees. I get her some oil. She's super sensual, she knows how to touch a man, and she has the smoothest skin I've touched in my life. Perfect skin. I take her clothes off piece by piece and I tell her to massage my back with her breasts. It feels like heaven. All our clothes eventually come off and I start massaging her all over her body.

The rest was pretty simple and straightforward. I got no last minute resistance and I know why. Because she wanted the sex more than I did. It's all about leverage. If you torment and torture her (like I did the previous week telling I'd want to ravish her but I won't) she won't be able to resist you and you won't get any resistance. You only get resistance when a woman feels like you're trying to get something from her. If she feels like you're giving something to her or sharing something with her, it's perfect.

Oh, by the way, I almost forgot. The previous week, when I dropped her off at the metro, after kissing her, I gave her the Persian Player speech (which is a mix of Johnny Soporno and my own stuff.) It basically allows you to sleep with women without them expecting a relationship or clinging. And at the same time, things stay really positive between the two of you. It's true friendship. I always tell them I hate fuck friends or one night stands, because those words assume that the central element in the interaction is sex. The central element in none of my interactions with women is sex. Sex is just one of the cool things we do together. Other things can be: skating, swimming, eating together, cooking together, etc. I always make sure my intentions are real and that I don't want to take anything from women. I only want to give or to share. Always make sure your intentions are honest and known. Nothing feels worse than wondering what someone "wants from you." It's creepy and doesn't build trust.

As most of you know, I don't write every single one of my reports, but every time I write a report, I try to make it very specific by outlining almost every minute detail that went through my head.

When were you first attracted to me ?
Her: The first time you smiled at me before even approaching me.

When did you first decide to sleep with me ?
Her: A few days after I met you, I was still thinking about you. I usually forget guys I meet after a day, but you made a huge impression on me.


Etienne (On MySpace: fsturl.com/D5):
How to Filter What You Read to Keep Your Sanity

This article is for anyone who wishes to master the art of seduction, the art of success, selling, business, martial arts or anything else.

Have you ever read a great tip or philosophy that made lots of sense, just to read or hear another conflicting tip right after ? If you listen to the ideas of 5 experts, 10 friends, your family, television and teachers, you know what I'm talking about. Even if you only listen to the 3 best experts, their ideas will often conflict and you'll end up going back and forth without knowing where to go.

To keep your sanity and accelerate your progress in whatever you want to achieve, it is essential to filter everything you read, hear and see. I will show you how to do this.

All ideas, be they the art of seduction, the art of success or business, can be broken down in 2 categories: getting or giving.

First, let's talk about ideas coming from a mentality of scarcity and getting from others. That's the clear majority of people and ideas: getting girls, getting love, getting validation, getting money, getting sales, getting, getting, getting. Maybe 95% of tips and ideas fall into this category. Some techniques are really good and, unfortunately, will bring some success. I say unfortunately because you'll end up trying and trying to have that occasional success again. You'll realize that:

1) It's a numbers game and results are inconsistent.
2) No matter how much success you have, you never have enough.
3) It is way too much work.

My recommendation is to identify these tips, tricks and techniques and to ignore them.

Secondly, let's talk about ideas coming from a mentality of abundance and giving to others. Giving love, giving security, giving recognition, giving ideas, giving experiences, giving wisdom. But you can't give what you don't have within yourself. Very few experts teach this state of mind because:

1) It is counter intuitive to get a relationship or money by stopping the need for it.
2) It requires changing at the core, and most people identify themselves by their issues.

When you find ideas in that category, take everything you can from it while making sure to filter it properly. No matter whom you listen to, don't take anything for granted; take what feels right for you.

Let's take these concepts of abundance and break them down in 2 other categories: learning vs. becoming aware.

To understand the difference, think about when you were a kid and learning to ride a bicycle. Were you learning to ride, or becoming aware of how to ride ? You could spend weeks reading a book about how to ride a bike, how to hold your back, how to place your hands, how to turn and how to brake. You'd get on the bike and fall down ! Why ? Because you learned the techniques to ride but hadn't become aware of how to do it. You'd fall down until you became aware of your body, balance, and mobility. Then, you could be off the bicycle and try again 40 years later; you'd still be able to ride ! Once you become aware of something, it's permanent. That's the difference.

First, let's look at learning. When you go to school, you have to remember a whole bunch of stuff that you mostly forget right after the exam. Nobody really shows you how to understand the fundamental truth behind what you learn. Nobody tells you to filter what you take in and what you reject. Nobody tells you to follow your gut feelings. In school, you learn conformity to fill the job market's demand. When you learn a job, you're taught steps to follow to achieve a certain result, but your teacher gets angry when you get off track and start wondering about the whys.

Now let's look at another approach I have heard from only 2 people in my entire life: becoming aware. You reject all misconceptions in your mind, especially about relationships, money and God. You forget the intellectual thinking and clear your mind. You seek to understand the truth behind the tips and ideas and you follow your intuition. You get on a bike and become aware of your body balance. You go in the water and become aware of how to float on an emotional level. You learn a job and are not bound to any fixed procedures; you understand the concepts, think "outside the box" and figure out a way to do the work more effectively than anyone else. You learn about the art of seduction and really become aware of the simple, natural mating process, which is covered by tons of social programming. You can only change what you're aware of, and when you become aware of fundamental principles, everything becomes easy, simple and consistent.

Back to our main subject of filtering information. What should we do with all this ? Out of techniques coming from a mentality of abundance, some will be about learning, some will be about becoming aware, and some will be a mix of both.

Here's a good way to filter it all.

1) Forget about the rules.
2) Inspire yourself from the actions.
3) Become aware of the base principles.

Always listen to your intuition as to what feels right and what feels wrong. Don't take anything for granted, no matter whom it comes from, even from me. You know all the answers intuitively.

By being crystal clear on what ideas you stand for, your focus will be much clearer and your progress much faster. How do you pick up girls already ?


iceman_MTL:
Sticking Point: Day 2s-The Straw that Broke the Camel’s Back

My sticking point right now is Day 2s. More specifically, getting the day 2 in the most alpha way possible. This also encompasses phone/text game. I mean, I could plow through the resistance and get the Day 2 (by making up some sort of AFCLook up this term excuse to get them out) but I personally want to get this done properly and without having to surrender my He-man powers of masculinity.

I know a lot of this stuff is trial and error, but I'm really not into wasting my efforts, because quality women are hard to come by.

So let me give you a little background on my work so far, because I've made it my mission to solve this bitch. I'm great at picking up. I work mostly at bars and clubs, particularly on terraces and in smoking sections. When I first started getting numbers, I noticed two common problems:

1) The number was a dud (fake number, no answer, etc.)

2) When I called the number, the girl’s energy state wasn't the same as when I first had met her. More specifically, she wasn't a drunk party girl anymore or vice versa (I wasn't a drunk party guy anymore.)

It's important to mention this, because I no longer get this. First off all, the girls I game are stone cold sober. I don't work on the dance floor, so the girls I talk to are usually outside sitting down. I also really try to limit my own drinking, because I have to keep my mind sharp. Because of these factors, when I do call her a few days later, we're on the same page.

Coming into a setLook up this term, I have absolutely no expectations. I don't want to take anything from the girl, nor do I need her to give me anything (except maybe her opinion.) I also come into setLook up this term understanding that not all setLook up this terms will hit. That's fine. I'm also willing to walk at the drop of a hat. I do this thing I call "seeding," in which I'll start a conversation, and when it’s naturally ready to end (which can range from seconds to a few minutes) I'll roll out. When I see her again I'll re-open and we're like friends now because we talked earlier. This also usually gets me less resistance when I start to game her.

All in all, I'll usually spend about 15-20 minutes talking to the girl. During this time I'll find out whether she’s worth seeing again, and I cop the digits. Copping the digits usually consists of me inviting her to an event or gathering I know of, which will be fun.

So in the past 3 weeks I've gotten about 11 numbers. Now out of that 11, I've had:

A day 2 and a day 3 from HBLook up this term Sexy Jewish girl.

An HB7 chasing me hard (which has totally turned me off)

And the rest I either fucked up on the phone/text game, or deleted from my cell because I found out they weren't my type. Yes, those are some horrid numbers gentlemen, because 90 percent of these girls were quality lays, but I did learn a lot from this experience. Here are some of the notes I've made:

1) Make a strong impression during the Day 1. All of the setLook up this terms I hooked I spent a minimum of 15 minutes in. Also, communicate a future activity ... this will give you a purpose to get their number. Call and make plans. I find this is the easiest way to get them back out for Day 2. If you feel the comfort levels were so-so, I'd advise bringing them out with your friends for Day 2 and isolating them sometime during the night. If the interaction was kick ass, I'd go full speed ahead and do a little one-on-one time.

2) Don't ask her out right away. Get her used to the idea of communicating with you over the phone or via text. During this stage, you want to keep pumping her intrigue, so she remembers you throughout the day. If you do a really good job, she'll give you the opportunity to ask her out, or even better, if you mentioned something to do with her in Day 1, she'll probably bring it up.

3) No response doesn't mean game over. Sometimes I don't get a response back to a text. No worries ... I just give it an hour or so and re-open with something that will get her back in the loop. Also, pacing texts seemed to work well ... respond ... respond ... don't respond for 2 hours ... etc.

4) KinoLook up this term ! KinoLook up this term ! KinoLook up this term ! I think that’s the main reason why us guys end up falling into the friend zone. As a man, I have to state my intent, or else she'll be cool with being buddies. I have to make her comfortable with this intent, so I'll calibrate my statements of interest with mixed messages and IOD's, so she won't feel so easy and I can keep her guessing (intrigued.)

So yes, I've learned quite a bit from this experience, but the reason why I've titled this thread "The straw that broke the camel's back" is because about two weeks ago I scored some serious game with this cute Italian girl, and man was she sexy. We connected exceptionally well, emotionally and physically. This was definitely one of my most solid pick ups. Although she showed some serious interest over the phone, I got too needy and ended up blowing that out. A common thread between all my blowouts is phone game. I don't seem to feel the same way about talking on the phone as I do about talking in person. I also had some serious first phone call anxiety.

I think in my research to solve this sticking point, I've began to sub-communicate an ulterior motive and have been thinking about this shit way too hard, so in conclusion, I've really decided to step back and not give a fuck. So my question is: what has worked for you, and more importantly, what hasn't ? Your knowledge and input would be greatly appreciated.


Zardoz:
The PUALook up this term Life, Part One of Forever ?

Women.

It's best to walk in with women.

Introduce yourself to the girls outside. Bum a smoke and give it away. Ask them to meet your friends. Opening is like farting: it just happens because you let it.

Take aways are golden.

By take away, I mean subtle movement. When you're engaged in conversation, just turn your head and scan the room. Lean back ... way back. Every so often, just turn your head and yawn. This is an insult, so when you come back, you'd better have something insightful to say.

I know it's basic stuff, but it's like riding a horse without a saddle. Sure, you've read about it, but you're gonna forget and lose your balls.

Be real.

Plotting works. You can consciously merge setLook up this terms, create jealousy plot lines, throw false time constraints. But with experience, a funny thing happens. These steps become logical. You actually like another girl more, you actually have friends waiting for you, you actually have to go. Your dhvLook up this term stories are real stories.

I'm not saying I'm the master pimp. We all have ups and downs. But from my own experience, I can say putting in the work produces results. They may be long in forming, but they're empirical (provable by trial and error) and true.

Weirding people out.

After work, I took 3 colleagues to the bar. They are all late twenties, early thirties, decent looking guys with significant social practice. Within a few minutes, I had merged 2 girls into our group, but these guys did nothing. They were tired or something. I figured maybe the girls weren't hot enough, so I offered to get more. They shook their heads vehemently like I was crazy. I was cool enough to not seem like a hunting creep. I hate feeling like a creep just because I proactively want to meet women. (And then you hang out with guys in training, and you actually are a creep.)

These are good looking guys. But they seemed embarrassed by my offering. So I laid off. In my journey, I've come to realize many, many people are embarrassed by their own desires. They are also fearful of those with power, even when you offer to share, even when you come pure of heart. Not all people desire what you desire. Some want a wife, a raise, a white picket fence. Some are insecure and some are enlightened, beyond desires of the flesh …(yeah right.)

Be discreet.

Keep your life to yourself. Until asked, don't brag to those with deaf ears. That's what the forums are for. That's why bragging is applauded here, because it's an educational tool. People are afraid of what they lack. Give short bursts of information. If they want knowledge, they'll ask. If you remain silent about your talents, when they're discovered, you'll appear magical.

I'm very discreet with my talents. I had to learn the hard way. I tried to help a friend, and had my entire social circle turn on me. Of course, it caused me a lot of pain, and I moved closer to manhood because of these experiences. I think that very few North American men are actually men. It's seems like we need enforced enlightenment, if that makes any sense.

These are the experiences that will make you real. These are the experiences that will get you laid. More so, these are they experiences that will move you towards the life you think you want.


Vinay (www.ambition.com.au):
The International Council of Man Laws

1: Under no circumstances may two men share an umbrella.

2: It is ok for a man to cry only under the following circumstances:

(a) When a heroic dog dies to save its master.

(b) The moment Angelina Jolie starts unbuttoning her blouse.

(c) After wrecking your boss's car.

(d) When she is using her teeth.

3: Any man who brings a camera to a stag night may be legally killed and eaten by his friends.

4: If you've known a guy for more than 24 hours, his sister is off limits forever unless you actually marry her.

5: Moaning about the brand of free beer in a mate's fridge is forbidden. However, complain at will if the temperature is unsuitable.

6: No man shall ever be required to buy a birthday present for another man. In fact, even remembering your mate's birthday is strictly optional. At that point, you must celebrate at a strip bar of the birthday boy's choice.

7: In the mini-bus, the strongest bladder determines pit stops, not the weakest.

8: When stumbling upon other blokes watching a sporting event, you may ask the score of the game in progress, but you may never ask who's playing.

9: You may fart in front of a woman only after you have brought her to climax. If you trap her head under the covers for the purpose of flatulent entertainment (commonly known as a Dutch oven) she's officially your girlfriend.

10: It is permissible to drink a fruity alcohol drink only when you're sunning on a tropical beach ... and it's delivered by a topless model and only when it's free.

11: Only in situations of moral and/or physical peril are you allowed to kick another guy in the nuts.

12: Unless you're in prison, never fight naked.

13: Friends don't let friends wear speedos. Ever. Issue closed.

14: If a man's fly is down, that's his problem, you didn't see anything.

15: Women who claim they “love to watch sports” must be treated as spies until they demonstrate knowledge of the game and the ability to drink as much as the other sports watchers.

16: A man in the company of a hot, suggestively dressed woman must remain sober enough to fight.

17: Never hesitate to reach for the last beer or the last slice of pizza, but not both, that's just greedy.

21: Never allow a telephone conversation with a woman to go on longer than you are able to have sex with her. Keep a stopwatch by the phone. Hang up if necessary.

22: The morning after you and a girl who was formerly “just a friend” have carnal, drunken monkey sex, the fact that you're feeling weird and guilty is no reason for you not to nail each other again before the discussion occurs about what a big mistake it was.

23: It is acceptable for you to drive her car. It is not acceptable for her to drive yours.

24: Thou shall not buy a car in the colours of brown, pink, lime green, orange, or sky blue.

25: The girl who replies to the question “What do you want for Christmas ?” with “If you loved me, you'd know what I want !” gets an Xbox 360. End of story.

26: There is no reason for guys to watch ice skating or men's gymnastics. Ever.

27: We've all heard about people having guts or balls ... but do you really know the difference between them ? In an effort to keep you informed, the definition of each is listed below:

“Guts” is arriving home late after a night out with the guys, being assaulted by your wife with a broom, and having the guts to say, “Are you still cleaning or are you flying somewhere ?”

“Balls” is coming home late after a night out with the guys smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife square on the ass and having the balls to say, “You're next, fatty !”

I hope this clears up any confusion,

The International Council of Man Laws.


Review: Richard La Ruina's first book

Read on as Steve Mason reviews The Natural Art of Seduction (just pretend you didn't see the goofy photo with Paris Hilton): www.cliffslist.com/reviews/richard-la-ruina-the-natural-art-of-seduction

A Few New Promos
Spidey:
Spidey's new DVD course is here ! The Art of Attraction is the division of Social Magic that concentrates on interactions between men and women. These are the real secrets of using your magic to really create a strong sense of attraction. Get your copy here: www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=43909

Lance Mason:
Lance Mason over at PickUp 101 just released a sweet video that compiles a ton of real-life hidden camera footage. Lance and his instructors have been taking guys out into the field meeting women for over 4 years, and they have caught some of the best moments on hidden camera in parks, bars, and sidewalks all across America. You get to see Lance and some of his instructors do their thing, but my favorite part is where Mourad, a very normal “average looking” student, gets a date with a hottie on his first try ... on the first day he is out trying to meet women! Pretty inspiring stuff. By now you've probably seen some snippets of hidden cam video - but trust me, you haven't seen anything like this: www.pickup101.com/spycam/

Vin DiCarlo:
You're about to discover the secrets of phone and text game that less than 0.1% of all men know! Click here to register for the NoFlakes NoJailTime event list and qualify for 3 new super-exclusive bonuses you can't get anywhere else: www.vindicarlo.com/noflakesdvd/

David Wygant:
David Wygant, the world's premier dating and relationship expert - you know, he's the guy who inspired the movie "Hitch" - will be launching an exclusive membership site. This will be a limited membership community. This is the closest thing to being coached one-on-one by David Wygant himself. David and his coaches will be personally involved in this site - so he is limiting access to this community. There are also going to be a whole boatload of other "members only" benefits he is only going to offer to the members of this site. And here's the big thing: if you want a chance to get one of these limited slots, you need to act right now and sign up on his membership list. Plus (and perhaps most importantly) David will be offering a special discount but only to people on this list. Watch David's video and sign up for the list here: www.davidwygant.com/

Slade Shaw:
Trust me when I tell you that this new Get the Girl Guide course is hot! Fresh from the pen of the inimitable Slade Shaw, this course is a masterpiece written by a master at the height of his expertise, and now it’s yours to read and apply to your love life. And as a special launch celebration, the first 200 customers will get the 215 page course plus 4 super bonuses, including the "Bullet-Proof with Babes" audio interview for nearly 20% less than the regular selling price, but only if you are one of the first 200 people to order. Get it now: www.meetyoursweet.com/

IceDragon:
IceDragon will soon be releasing his eBook "Real Attraction Secrets: The Complete Guide to the IceDragon Method." Hear what students are saying: "IceDragon knows it all...his knowledge is amazing. IceDragon has vast experience of trying this stuff out in the field, which is very rare. As we all know, there are a lot of people talking about gaming but at the end of the day not doing much. Ice seems to be out there all the time really living the dream.” To find out more, visit www.realattractionsecrets.com/ebook

Clifford:
Ghita from www.MontrealAngelWings.com will be in Los Angeles in the beginning of December, and wants to take up some new clients. There are special savings being offered here and the list is limited. Ghita only has room for 3 more people. My opinion is that if guys got the reactions that Ghita gets when she starts talking to people (both men and women) there probably would be no seduction community. This is a great opportunity to go out and learn from a woman who really knows the game, and knows how to help guys improve their results with women. If you're interested, please contact her at ghita@montrealangelwings.com

Nige 54:
Long before Neil Strauss and "The Game," there was Nige 54. "Around the World in 80 Babes !" is the classic account of his first around the world adventure, and now you can get the first chapter for free here: 80-babes-book.com/

Ray Devans:
Finally! There's a complete video system for men that will take you, step-by-step, through the process of getting any girl to fall madly in love with you - without fear, rejection, or uncertainty! artofthepickup.com/

Clifford:
One of the most unique viewpoints on having success with women and your life, in my opinion, is expressed by Brent. Brent is well known for his appearances on Double Your Dating products, his interview on PickupPodcast.com, and his appearance at the first Cliff's List Convention. He has an outstanding monthly podcast and discussion forum going and I highly recommend you check this out: www.attracthotterwomen.com/

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