SPECIAL EDITION: ROSS JEFFRIES INTERVIEW

[summary]Cliff interviews Ross Jeffries, the self-proclaimed Father of the Seduction Community ![/summary]
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Clifford: Let's start with an introduction, please tell a bit about yourself, your history with women, your story.

Ross: Cliff, many people would say I'm the father (or indeed the GRANDfather) of the seduction community.

I first got involved with all of this way back in 1988, when I wrote and published my original book; How To Get The Women You Desire Into Bed, A Down And Dirty Guide To Dating And Seduction For The Man Who's Fed Up With Being Mr. Nice Guy. That book detailed my first experiments with using NLP as a tool both for self-change and for attracting and seducing women.

Then, in 1993, I introduced the Speed Seduction® seminars and the first SS Home Study Course, followed shortly thereafter by getting on the web with http://www.seduction.com in 1994.

At that time, if you typed in "seduction" only ONE site came up, mine! So it was a pretty free ride for quite a long time!

Cliff: I think you are being too modest here. I was "around" (although there was nothing really "around" at the time) before your book came out - whenever I saw anything that talked about "picking up women", I bought it. The material that was out there before you put out your book was pretty lame, with the most well known probably being Eric Weber's How to Pick Up Women. I don't know if you remember this, but back somewhere around 1990 I heard that you were on the Phil Donahue Show (I didn't see it) and I called them up in NYC and they gave me your phone number. I called you up and ordered your book. It was definitely the best thing I had ever seen on having success with women and somehow or other I flew down to L.A. and met with you. At that time the term "Speed Seduction" hadn't been coined yet by you, but you had a lot of interesting ideas. I think we stayed in touch for awhile and then I got involved in a relationship and we lost touch for a few years. When that ended, I heard about you again and at this time you had made major changes to what you were doing and were now teaching professional seminars - I ordered your Advanced Masters Series Tapes (which were for years my favourite product of this nature and which I must have listened to hundreds of times), studied and memorized several of the patterns you were teaching, and I signed up for the next event that you were giving and flew to Maui to attend your Speed Life Seminar. Back then you were really the only thing going. Further, the place to be on the Internet was the SS List - there really was nothing else that competed with that for the attention of anyone seriously interested in seduction. (I seem to remember, and I never really looked into the details, that you set up alt.seduction.fast or ASF as a decoy seduction forum to distract certain interested parties who were not ones you wanted on the SS List. ASF somehow or other, from what I understand, got taken over by the guys at http://www.fastseduction.com and is probably now the main discussion group in the community). While the stories about the above may not directly help someone to improve their success with women, I am interested in you taking a few paragraphs and going over the history of the development of the community as you experienced it. There are a lot of new and many young guys involved today who know little or nothing of our "rich heritage" that you were an integral part of and I am sure most if not all of them would be interested to read about how all this developed.

Ross: Ok then. Some more on the "history" using what you have said:

Back then, before my first book, basically the only thing that had been out on the market about success with women was Eric Weber's classic, "How To Pick Up Girls"(which I bought in college for $10, but somehow it didn't work for me!)

After writing the first book, I got myself on every major tv talk show that was on the air at the time, except for "Oprah". That includes "Donahue": a producer for the show read an ad I had written and placed in an industry trade mag that caters to TV talk producers. The morning it ran, she called me and within a few days I was on a plane to NYC and my TV career got started.

Since then I would say I've been on dozens of shows, all over the world, including Hard Copy, Politically Incorrect, Geraldo (A right bastard, that guy!), you name it, plus articles in Playboy, Penthouse, Rolling Stone and newspapers and magazines in many languages. The publicity engine still keeps rolling and I don't even have to make an effort: THEY still contact ME!

The really big thing happened in 1993 when a student of mine who was, ahemm "skilled" at computer programming created Alt.Seduction.Fast to give me a presence on usenet (which was the big thing at the time; the web was still in its infancy). Most guys reading this don¹t realize ASF was created as a forum to discuss and promote Speed Seduction®. Of course, we know what's happened to ASF since, but who can predict what will happen on the net?

But back then ASF was THE place to discuss seduction; in truly was the ONLY forum out there for guys looking to improve their game, and remained so for many years.

1994 the same student got us up on the web. Back then, if you punched in "seduction" on the few primitive search engines that WERE out there, only ONE site came up-OURS!

Ah..for the good old days. There was NO Google or Overture ads either; in fact, I don’t think either of those sites or search engines were around back then! Can you believe what old timers we are, Cliffy?

Cliff: Tell us a bit about your media experiences. Back in those days, being on TV talking about seduction must have made you a big target and I remember they were looking to show you up. I also remember the guys all huddled over the old sargy channel chat line while watching you on Politically Incorrect, and you making sure everyone noticed the expensive new shoes you were wearing.

Ross: Generally speaking, TV talk shows are looking for sound-bites; little 30 second clips that will get people to stay tuned in while they are flipping channels. I've always been good at that sort of thing, so I KNEW how to bait producers.

It got to the point where, during the pre-show briefings, the producer would point at me and say to the other guests, "If you get confused on how to act, just watch Ross."

Before you do these shows, they do phone interviews with you, to get a feel if you know how to talk. These women (90% of the producers are female) would wet themselves at how good I was in coming up with the little bits to say, like, "For women, getting laid is a choice, for men, getting laid is a chore" or "You don't get laid, I don't get paid".

Same kind of stuff in my marketing, for which I still take some flack, but that is EXACTLY the kind of thing you HAVE to write to get people's attention. As one of my early marketing guru's, Gary Halbert, would say, "No one has time to try to figure out your pathetic subtlety!".

The thing about these shows is, basically, they try to make it a public lynching. It's like wrestling; they have to have SOMEONE "be the bad guy" to rile up the studio audiences, which usually have a collective IQ of about 92. So of course, they'd try throwing ME to the lions.

My strategy was (and still is) to take control IMMEDIATELY. Talk about "alpha"; I challenge all the Alpha/PUA guys to be able to go on a show like Geraldo and take control away from him RIGHT OUT OF THE CHUTE.

He would ask me questions, cut to a commercial or another guest and I would INSIST on answering his question. One of my favorite tactics was to IMMEDIATELY correct the host, whomever it was, on my first introduction.

That was usually pretty easy, as they almost always got the title of my book, How To Get the Women (that's "women", plural) You Desire Into Bed, wrong. They used the term "Woman", singular. So that was easy to correct. Or they'd flub up or leave out some other detail, so I'd jump in to correct them.

The other thing to bear in mind is, I could and did easily cut the audience to shreds. If some fat, stupid, dumbass trailer-trash ho got up to insult me, I'd slam her way back down into her seat by being incredibly cut-throat with her. That riled the audience up even more.

The worst audience experience was a show in New York called "Faith Daniels".

Faith's brilliant producer had the idea of surprising me with an all female audience; I guess she thought I would somehow crack.

Instead, I was at my full-blown most insulting and vicious and as a result, they had to security escort me to the limo. There was a small mob of VERY angry women waiting for me at the door and they were NOT happy. I managed to roll down the limo window as we were driving away and offer something along the lines of, "You chicks better be good in the kitchen, cuz no one is going to want to take YOU into the bedroom". Or something like that.

I actually LOVED taunting the crowds. I would stand backstage, ready to be introduced, and picture that scene from Enter the Dragon. You know the one; Bruce Lee is in some underground complex and he is suddenly surrounded by goons, and they are all holding weapons of some kind. He gets this look on his face..a slow grin..and you know he is thinking, "Hey...I'm not trapped in here with YOU. YOU'RE trapped in here with ME!"

More recently though, the media has been a lot nicer. I don't do "talk shows" per se anymore. My favorite all time show (and one that STILL gets me recognized) was Louis Thereoux's Weird Weekend. He's a brilliant, BRILLIANT guy, very funny, who travels around the world, visiting wacky people, "taking the piss" out of them, as his fellow Brits would say.

In my case, he was doing a show on hypnosis, that featured me, Marshal Sylver, and a couple of other people. I was the only one who came off as being totally legit; I actually taught Louis to pull chicks and he picked up a nice on one camera, using what I told him to do. I'm still in touch with him in fact; he's writing a book about his favorite guests and I'll be featured in it.

As for Politically Incorrect; ha, that was a dream of mine. I got that one because, at the time, Hollywood was panting after the movie rights to my life story, as a result of the Rolling Stone article that came out in 1998 (more on that in a second). So, I optioned it to Brillstein/Grey, or, more accurately, to a client of theirs who was a writer, and my perk was that they get me on PI, which they were producing at the time.

I dominated that show totally; I'd say of about 25 minutes of air-time, I was speaking for 19! You've got to be totally pushy, indeed "Alpha" to survive on those shows. I don't remember any new shoes; I do remember wearing a $3,000 Brioni suit that I bought when I found out I was going to be on that show!

But I would say the best publicity...the biggest publicity breakthrough I ever had, was the 1998 Rolling Stone story, by Erik Heddegaard. To this day, he has done the best, most objective reporting on Speed Seduction® and the community built around it.

He immersed himself in the story. Followed me around for days, came to the seminar, followed the guys around, and his was the FIRST magazine story to say, "Hey..it works. This guy is NOT lying. I may not like him, he's a bit odd, and I object to some of what he does, BUT IT WORKS, JUST AS HE SAYS IT DOES."

His editors, indeed some of the publishers of RS were NOT happy with the story he turned in. They didn't want to be seen as endorsing SS, and tried to get him to change it, but he stuck with his guns and insisted on keeping the story he wrote. As he told me, "I wrote what I saw".

To this day, Rolling Stone has REFUSED to sell me reprint rights. They don't want to be seen to be in any way endorsing what I do. What uptight fucks.

I've also been lied about a lot by print media. I've had articles written from people who CLAIMED to be at seminars who were never even there. I've had "quotes" attributed to me that I never even came CLOSE to saying. For the most part, so called "journalists" are scum who couldn't get a REAL job.

Remember, there are NO licensing or other requirements to be a "journalist".

More importantly, they write on deadlines and very few (Erik H is a notable and honorable exception) have the time to truly investigate anything. So if what you are doing really IS new, really IS different, they have no real time to examine it. They either have to just take the easy way out, and ridicule it, or simplify it down into something that doesn't even resemble what you are teaching.

Overall, the worst experience I've ever had with ANY media was around 1999. Fox News, in LA, snuck hidden cameras into my seminar for an "expose" on me.

This betrayed the confidence and the sanctity of the teacher/student relationship and just fucking infuriated me. I considered suing, but my attorney at the time told me I'd be fighting Rupert Murdoch - not a good idea unless I was prepared to take years and spend every penny I had. No thanks.

But it did wise me up and from that point on, anyone attending a seminar has to sign an agreement expressly forbidding the possession or use of any recording device of any kind, among other things. That will NEVER happen to me again.

What most guys don’t know is I've done FAR more radio than TV; at least 400 radio shows over the years. Radio is FAR more enjoyable, far more fun, and you can actually discuss things with some real substance, without having to pack it all into 30 second bites. I actually did Tom Leykis' program on KFI, 640, in Los Angeles, about half a dozen times in the early 90's. I think he got the basic idea for Leykis 101 from those shows we did and looking at the giant ratings I got him. He made it very clear to me that the ratings when I was on were sky high. That was usually the case with most shows; we'd MELT the phone lines. I miss doing radio and always welcome the chance to do a radio show whenever it's offered and whenever I can.

Cliff: Let's move on to what motivated you to write your book in the first place and tell us a bit about your own history with women. How did you find or come up with most of the techniques in that first book (as much of it is not related to NLP from what I can remember)?

Ross: I first got into NLP around 1987. I was working a phone line at night, reading off odd-job listings to clients who called into the service and I began to get regular callers. One of them told me about Anthony Robbins book, Unlimited Power, which I promptly went out and got.

And I thought, "this is crap". I actually wound up throwing it in the closet, with a host of other books I didn't like. So my first exposure to NLP wasn't very auspicious, to say the least.

After a few other false starts with NLP books, leading to me pretty much writing it off as crap, I was walking through a now defunct bookstore, past the psychology/self-help section. Now, I swear, Cliff, what I am about to tell you is true, with NO embellishment. My arm just reaches up as I am walking by and pulls down a book. I had to have seen it out the corner of my eye and recognized it, unconsciously.

It was "Frogs Into Princes", by Bandler and Grinder, the guys who created NLP. It is actually one of the few books they did that is readable by the general public and one of the first that was basically transcriptions of some seminars they did.

So, I sit down on the floor, thinking, "Ok, it's more of that NLP crap. I'll read it for 5 minutes and then that's it.

Well, by page 10, I was HOOKED. I can still recall that excitement of discovery. They were laying out concepts and ideas that I had struggled to formulate, asking brilliant questions. I couldn't believe how intelligent and clear it all was.

From then on, I was determined to master NLP. I got my hands on every book on NLP and Ericksonian hypnosis, plus videos of Bandler that I swapped with a friend of mine who was into it at the time. (Remember at that time there was NO Internet and no file sharing! No DVD's! Just videos!)

So I started trying this stuff out to solve my own shyness and attractiveness problems with women (plus doing other crazy shit like walking up to people in airports and asking if they had fears or phobias they wanted cured..remember, again, this was a different time!). I had read books on attracting women, etc. and they NEVER worked for me, but this WAS working. So much so that sometimes I got a strange sense of unreality, as in: did I really just get a blow job from that hot chick I met half and hour ago? Did that REALLY happen? (Which I find is common with my students today when this stuff first works for them: they can't believe it!)

Now, I had a few books laying around on getting women, and one morning I woke up and thought, "I can do better than this!"

So I took what I had learned about NLP and Ericksonian Hypnosis and I just started writing. I would write on my lunch and coffee breaks at work, when I worked as a paralegal, and then at night I would go to a friend's house and use his word processor. Then my late sister Joan (may she rest in peace) loaned me my first computer: an Osborne. Does anyone remember those things?

They came in a "portable" case, and they had a tiny screen/display in the center, about 6 by 6 and two floppy drives, each with an astounding 640K as I recall. I wrote on that thing until it had a fatal crash and I threw it out my third floor window into the dumpster.

Anyway, that first book, which Yates and I still sell today, How To Get The Women You Desire Into Bed: A Down And Dirty Guide To Dating And Seduction For The Man Who's Fed Up With Being Mr. Nice Guy, was born in that fashion.

The first editions were actually just 8 1/2 by 11 paper, printed on one side, that we stapled together on my Mom's kitchen table! This was before Yates and Straightforward came along, before any Internet, before any of it. We're talking the STONE AGE. But somehow, we made it work.

Oh..as for my history with women, the less said, the better. It is amazing that, even at my ugliest and geekiest (through college I was 6 foot 2 and 127 lbs of skeletal emaciation..ouch...it hurts to even talk about it in print), women still liked me on occasion, and even wanted me, but for the most part, due to my own issues with fear, shame over my body image, etc. I seldom did anything about it. I had a terrible, TERRIBLE inferiority complex over my body. It was so shameful, I didn't have mirrors in my room and wouldn't look in the mirror after I got out of the shower in the morning.

Believe me, I am WELL suited to teach almost any guy about this stuff, because no matter where a guy might be, I've been in that hole, and deeper.

I can remember visualizing being in a deep pit and pulling myself up one rung at a time, until one day I would be out, and this was BEFORE I discovered NLP. It just was a visualization that kept me going.

Guys need to understand that MANY of the guys now out there teaching have ALWAYS been good with women, ALWAYS done well, and don't have clue one about the struggles many of us have to go through. They may well have things that work FOR THEM, based on THEIR history, and what THEY can bring to the table, but do they understand YOUR world and what will work for YOU? Could be..but maybe not.

Cliff: How did the evolution occur from the first book to the actual development of Speed Seduction?

Ross: I always knew there was a pretty good persuasion model for NLP, but I never had, up til around 1992, a chance to truly study it.

Then through some circumstances not worth explaining, I got to privately study with someone who was well known in the NLP world for sales and persuasion. And it really got me thinking about the power of language to move people, and so Speed Seduction initially was built on my observations and experiments with what I learned.

Cliff: Just what IS Speed Seduction? How does it work?

Ross: Goodness. I could talk for hours about this.

I think Speed Seduction has layers and levels to it. The first and most important would be the beliefs and understandings about what moves people; what opens the imagination and emotions of people, and what are the processes that people have, inside, that cause them to feel love, attraction, desire, lust?

So first, it is a set of beliefs and tools for observing and understanding what is going on inside the bodies and minds of women (and people in general, for that matter). When a woman subjectively feels attraction, lust, desire, interest, what is going on, INSIDE of her, as a unique person, that creates that experience?

Second, it is a set of tools for using your language to open those layers of her mind that she uses to generate lust, desire, attraction, etc; all those emotional "recipes" that she individually runs on herself to produce the end behaviors of wanting to be with us in sexual and romantic ways.

And I want to stress SS has very much grown past being about spouting memorized "patterns"; although there is certainly still a time and place for canned and memorized stuff, so much more can be used when you get HER talking, get HER responses and use those. The model since 1998 has been to let her responses, structures, internal "recipes", and words power 80% of the seduction.

Beyond all that, Speed Seduction® is about a recognition that any BEHAVIOR we want from women is state dependent and emotion dependent. So drive first for the emotions and states that would be natural for her to do the behaviors from, and the behaviors will come.

Finally, Speed Seduction has a HUGELY powerful model for self-confidence; for breaking through and breaking past the fears, fixed ideas, limiting beliefs and screwed up responses and actions that keep so many guys from having success with women. "Inner game" as some would say, but advanced WAY beyond what most would even consider possible, we have it wired.

You see, the challenge is: how do you take a guy who has had a very tough time in a very emotionally charged area of life, and get him to put his limited self-image and beliefs and behaviors aside LONG enough to actually move up the learning curve and gain mastery of some very new and different skills? That's tough enough for guys who have A HISTORY OF SUCCESS WITH WOMEN. How do you do that with guys who have NO good memories or experiences (or very few) to keep them encouraged during the inevitable bumps and grinds of learning a new skill set?

We've got that one licked. Totally. It's a HUGE technical challenge which no one else in the community is even addressing, let alone solving, but we ARE addressing it and we HAVE solved it.

This way, change doesn't have to feel like a part of you is fighting you or holding you back. You are 100% aligned, learning elegantly from what you did wrong and advancing with what you did right and you can handle mistakes in stride, without falling into doubt, depression, old ways of thinking, etc.

I'm very, VERY proud of that breakthrough; a result of 5 years of thinking and experimenting and big contributions from Kim and Tom of essential-skills.com, my personal healer and newest member of the SS teaching team, Shirleen Rodrigues, and my yoga teacher, Mark Whitwell (http://www.yogaofheart.com)

Clifford: Skipping ahead: What do you think are the biggest breakthroughs in Speed Seduction over the past 2-3 years?

Ross: Well let me start over the past year to six months: I think myself, and my team of people have truly cracked the code on defeating learned helplessness and on truly "re-wiring" guys who have had a history of deep failure.

Look, the problem with any "system" of success with women you want to study, whether it is mine, or one of the dozens of others out there is this:

No matter how good THEIR advice might be, how do you take all of your old habits, old ways of thinking, feeling and acting around women, and set them aside long enough to give someone else's "system" a fair try, without "contaminating" the new "information" with your old ways of viewing things?

Imagine all your mistakes, limiting beliefs, and negative emotions as a pane of glass that you are holding up in front of your face, through which you are looking at new skills, new ideas, new ways of believing.

Everything "new" is going to be colored by what you are looking through; as if I took your sunglasses, dipped them in dog-shit, and handed them back to you. Even the most perfect sunset is going to look BROWN.

Now, a guy can temporarily fire himself up, work up a head of motivation, and while he is in that "soap bubble" of motivation, try something new.

If by chance everything goes perfectly THE FIRST TIME OUT IN THE FIELD, then maybe he’ll keep going.

But as soon as things don’t work completely or at all, what happens?

He views the experience through all the doubt, crap, negative emotion and there goes any chance at learning or continuing until he can battle his negativity and work himself up into a froth of motivation again.

Do you see the cycle, the process, the structure here?

Now, many guys will make it worse: they will keep dwelling on the mistake or fuck up.

Because brains work on rehearsal and familiarity, what happens is, the mistake is now being reinforced by the process of dwelling on it (especially with strong negative emotion attached) and sure enough, when it is time to act in the real world, the BRAIN REPEATS THE MISTAKE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE GUY INADVERTENTLY PROGRAMMED TO BE FAMILIAR BY DWELLING ON IT!

Even worse, when dwelling on mistakes, you are not just reinforcing the fucked-up behavior, but reinforcing your entire old self-image, with all the beliefs, attitudes and limits that you are struggling to transcend! Anytime you see an image of yourself in a memory or fantasy, you are reinforcing all the things you associate to that image.

This is a big issue the entire community either won't look at, or just doesn't know how to address.

It's one thing to take a guy who has lots of good, strong, positive experiences and help HIM get better. But teaching a guy who has had a lot of failure, pain, shitty results and bad habits how to do something new, without falling back into old ways of thinking and responding and acting is a TOUGH CHALLENGE.

However, we've got it licked. I've spent 5 years of research and work to come up with answers and I know we've got the problem SOLVED. It took looking at the issue from different perspectives and different disciplines, but we have it and no one else is even close.

Cliff, just as an example of the impact this work can have, here is an email from a student, with his full, real name, city, state and email so anyone with questions can contact him. Note that he properly ascribes his changes to the work HE is doing, a practice of daily examination and change, rather than some miracle we did TO him:

"Hey everyone - Everyday I've been doing at least ten minutes of Yoga, followed by the Breath of Fire, then the Mmm-chi (I call it the Chi Circulation exercise from Shirleen.)

Before Speed Life, it was a constant and consistent occurrence to be plagued with endless flashes of painful memories - anything from kids picking on me in school, to something hurtful a girl said to me, to experiences with my parents growing up. It was what life was like - my body always had tension in it to some degree... Chronic sweating, tight shoulders, etc. This was what the experience of life felt like and I was so used to it, I thought this was what life was!! I would think, "How could anyone just be comfortable around other people??"

Even doing the first exercise, the first day, things started to shift for me. Now painful memories barely ever come up, I stick my symbol onto them and they neutralize... and they stay gone!! Plus on the few occasions they do come up, my bodily experience is so different from what it was, I don't have a reaction... I'm actually amused when an old memory comes up, since NOW I see it as a symbol of how far I've come and how different I am today. ** I truly feel like a different person... my past has finally released its painful grip on me. ** I can even laugh now about things that would have made me uncomfortable or set me off before!!

And the daily rituals have kept me grounded in the state I was in during the seminar - clearly, I was blissfully happy during the seminar, surrounded by the beauty of Cancun and feeling that I had truly conquered my 'demons,' if you will. When I returned home, I was a little afraid that the changes might not stick.

And so I used the 3d-mind on that belief!! LOL, it worked, cause afterward I relaxed and realized that there's no reason I wouldn't continue this change for as long as I want it. I know how to keep myself clear and grounded, through daily breathing and ritual.

And I know, from this point of mental and energetic clarity, that I can see any problems or patterns that are holding me back (if not immediately then within a short time...)

AND I'm excited when I find a negative belief or pattern, since I have all the tools I need to neutralize it!! I see challenges as new opportunities to wrap my mind around and, through it, grow.

I've always been someone who's aimed for self-improvement. However, even so, there used to be lingering parts of me that were afraid of some aspects of self-inspection and of what a change might do to me.

Now, I boldly observe and address any challenge that comes my way, with clarity and intelligence. Even when people test me (and believe me, I have had some *very* trying experiences since Speed Life), I have been able to remain next to totally clear and conscious and firmly stand my ground (respectfully and in a respectable manner.)

The change in my character is so profound, so apparent that *I* almost don't believe it!! My friends have all commented on how much better I seem - 'more balanced,' 'more relaxed/laid back,' 'more fun,' 'less serious,' etc. I had always dreamed of people seeing me in the way that people are starting to see me. It's truly a dream come true (in progress.)

... And I was expecting this to be a short e-mail (I've got a lot of issues to take care of right now, so my time is limited.) But I'll be popping in here occasionally and sharing some experiences with you. Feel free to ask me about anything too.

-Eric Mertz, Boston, MA mertz109@gmail.com

Clifford: This is clearly a breakthrough of major importance. We've all seen guys that take seminars and over the course of one weekend make huge changes in their lives, but there are many guys who just lack enough social development to make permanent changes whether easily or with great difficulty. I am curious how someone interested in benefiting from this work will do so - will this only be taught one-on-one, only in your seminars, or will there be a product that they need to buy and if so in what format will that be in (eg. e-book, CDs, etc.)? Is this available now, if not, when, and what will the price range be?

Ross: Well, I did a pretty thorough job of going through this as a big part of Speed Life 2004, in Cancun, and I'm reviewing the videos. There is also other stuff on there either not related or marginally related to this issue, so I don't know how I would break it down.

I may offer a separate training on this, or create a product specifically addressing it.

I can see applications WAY beyond the seduction game. I think there are big applications for mood control, ending or strongly limiting depression, maintain motivation consistently, etc. etc. etc.

It's a big element of leadership too; maintaining a vision of where you want to go that is NOT dependent on your environment for validation and support, yet stays open enough to the environment to learn from feedback.

You see, there are highly motivated sociopaths and psychotics (I've run into them in the "guru" game) who don't need any support from their environment to keep going, but they are also out of touch with reality because they don't pay attention to any feedback! Then there are people totally dependent on external sources for morale and motivation. They are open to feedback, but they have no vision.

A real leader has to have both. In the real world, you had better have a strong vision AND the ability to learn from feedback.

Clifford: So is there some option open if someone wanted to undergo this training right now? Is there some one-on-one consultation you will consider doing, on a price that you would negotiate privately? I know if I were badly in need of this, I would very much want to know how to get this now and not wait until you had everything finished.

Ross: At some point, in a few months, we will probably offer a weekend training solely on this theme if I can get the co-operation and consent of my co-trainers. I could do one exclusively using only my own tech, and it would be fine, but I would want to offer the best and that would incorporate the work-product and intellectual property of others, which I obviously would not do without their co-operation, participation and consent.

Clifford: What do you think of the "Alpha Male" "PUA" approach to success with women?

Ross: Some of these guys have come up with some behavioral moves that make some sense, given a certain context and a certain type or kind of woman.

For example, IF you are dealing with a party girl - a chick whose main sorting mechanisms for attraction are status and stimulation - and she's in a club environment, I could see how being the cock-of-the-walk, never-let-her-talk, kind of guy might work.

If you want someone who's main way of deciding what is important is to look around at what her immediate social group likes and to sort for what is the most stimulating in THAT moment, then go for it.

But the real problem for me is, these Gurus tend to postulate all sorts of evolutionary psychology theories that have no foundation in fact, or have been massively distorted from what the alleged "science" is actually teaching.

For example, the idea that being "cocky and funny" is somehow going to trigger her genetic mating instinct is really laughable. So our cavemen ancestors liked to "bust" on their "dates", make fun of how their supra-orbital brow ridges bobbed up and down when they talked?

Is that what science really tells us? Or is it an attempt to draw on some authority to lend credence to an idea that is really pretty incomplete at best, and idiotic at the worst.

The fact is science can’t tell us anything about the mating rituals of our pre-human ancestors. We know how they had sex, just like we do! But what behaviors they engaged in to select mates are PURE speculation, drawn from observing modern animals.

It strikes me as very sloppy thinking to make the leap from animals to humans, or from pre-humans whom we can’t observe, to modern Homo Sapiens. It’s all speculative.

Moreover, it totally ignores the influence of culture, social programming, and, most importantly, a woman's own unique desires, preferences, fantasies, etc.

It shrinks it down to a "one size" fits all formula that requires little or no thinking and little or NO recognition of the unique woman in front of you.

That to me, is pretty "butt plug" dumb.

Not to say that being funny or cocky isn't useful to get attention and get past an initial "is this another boring guy" screen. But that's about really all it does.

Another interesting issue is: most of these guys, whom I've met by the way, are very good looking. I would include in that Mr. EP, Mr. EM, Mr. JS , Mr. OC and a few others as well. Sorry but I won’t give their real or pen names but you have met all of them and can tell who they are, Cliff.

So to those guys on your list reading this who are not 9’s or 10’s on the looks scale: can you really trust the advice of a guy who is 2-3 points higher on the looks scale than you? Does he REALLY understand what YOU have to go through to attract the quality and caliber of women YOU want?

Shit, I'm old and UGLY and I get hot chicks. Many of my students fit the same description, although maybe not as old as I am. If we can do it, you DEFINITELY can do it. But to take the advice of a guy who is so hot, women start creaming themselves looking at him? I dunno....

Now, the other thing is, these guys seem to think it is actually "weak" to get a woman talking and listen to what she has to say. Somehow it isn't "Alpha" to learn from a woman what actually moves and motivates her!

Whereas, I and thousands of students can tell you, if you get a woman talking in the right direction, about the right topics, the act of talking re-vivifies the feelings you want her to experience with you. You can then spot the responses, link them to you, amplify them and POOF: you are laid.

It's just idiotic to ignore a woman's own inner structures and processes that produce HER lust, HER attraction, HER arousal, HER connection, HER desire.

I'm sorry to name call, but it is MILITANT stupidity, masquerading as being ALPHA.

Maybe Alpha stands for Assholes Losing Plenty of High-Quality Ass.

Clifford: So, if I can summarize, being funny (whether "cocky and funny" or just humorous) along with paying attention to the individual specifics relating to the woman you are talking to is what you are recommending. This makes sense to me.

Ross: Beyond that Cliff, the Alpha approach basically says, "Make it ALL about YOU." At some point, when you've made a HUGE impact, shown value, demonstrated personality, created "attraction" then and ONLY then you can feign a bit of interest in her to make HER feel she is of sufficient value to be with you.

But to actually listen to her responses, glean what moves her and USE it, is just ignored. At the end of an "Alpha" seduction, do you even know anything at all about the person laying in the bed next to you, or has she basically just been another cardboard cut-out audience in YOUR movie?

For sure, that approach will work, for SOME women. But does it produce the kind of connections you want for more than a one night stand?

Clifford: I am not really sure there is a question in the following, but I have noticed that there is a very interesting dynamic that goes on in the community when it comes to the looks of the person giving advice. You, based on what you say above and other things you have said to me, fall into the category of guys who severely discount advice from those who are good looking. On the other hand, there are "normal" to good looking guys who just don't buy advice from guys who aren't somewhat attractive. Personally, I think if you set any frame strong enough, you can get women (maybe not all of them, but a good number) to follow along and buy into your reality. For this reason, understanding the attitudes that very successful guys develop can be extremely useful regardless of whether they got their attitudes in whole or in part from the advantages they reap by being good looking. In fact, if they weren't good looking, they might never have found out the behaviours and attitudes that they developed. What are your thoughts on this?

Ross: My thoughts are that good looking guys (whatever that means) don't have to work as hard to create attraction and they don't need to work as hard to overcome a woman's initial "not my type" knee-jerk, auto-pilot response. They can get away with doing a lot less. Basically, they can create some comfort, display their own personality, and then make their move. If they know how to handle the last minute stuff LOTS of women throw out, they will get laid, and often.

But you know, it's one thing to have a great-looking guy as a guest speaker or guest trainer and spew on about how he gets lots of babes, when he’s young, looks like a male model, etc., etc.

How does that practically translate into being of real-world help to the fat, balding guy, or the guy in his mid-30's who hasn't dated in 10 years and has no confidence, etc., etc? If you look like Johnny Depp, are in your early thirties, dress super-cool and have access to top clubs and bars, are you really in a position to even understand most of the experience of most males, much less advise them on what will work for THEM?

Not just lecture on what works for him, the teacher. But what will work FOR HIS AUDIENCE. This is the crucial question.

God bless anyone who has found something that works for them. The question is the applicability across the board, NOT whether any individual teacher/Guru can walk his talk.

Now, I have literally hundreds of testimonials from guys all over the world who run the full gamut of looks, age, social status, etc. You can go to the website and see some of the testimonials from, I'm sorry, what look like "total geeks".

Can a guy who looks like THAT really pull off the Alpha Male/demonstrate your personality/dominate the conversation bullshit?

Clifford: I remember listening to your Advanced Masters Series Tapes and you started them off talking about only being concerned with what works, with what gets results. You gave the example about your car being stuck in the desert, and how you don't want someone to hug you, you want to get the car started. Have you seen much that you feel is useful from the other "gurus" out there? Is there anyone in the PUA scene you actually respect or admire?

Ross: I think Mystery does a lot of stuff that is original, at least in the first stage of what he teaches, and I have ZERO doubt that his stuff totally works: FOR HIM. If you've got that kind of personality that is totally willing to talk, talk, talk and dominate the conversation from start to finish and make it almost all about you, and if you are in his rough looks league, LEARN HIS STUFF.

He's worked out a lot of the actual social dynamics in a club situation going after the hottest girl there and you probably DO have to do a lot of that prancing and dancing to get her. Personally, I'd find it utterly exhausting and no fun either; I like listening to women, I enjoy getting into their minds, etc.

But that aside, he HAS done so much stuff in clubs, he knows the little pieces; when to move her from her friends, how to get around asshole guys.

He just knows that stuff. I don't do clubs so I don't bother with it and don't know those finer details.

I don't buy into his evolutionary psychology model (nor DYD's, nor any one else's). I don't buy that our fear of approaching women is hard-wired and that it will always be there; I KNOW that is not the case. I can show you student after student that proves it, full stop.

But he's got some good stuff, no doubt. And he's a riveting speaker and very funny too.

I think Gunwitch also has a model that works, for him, in the situation he finds himself in, and I think he also has a genuine devotion to helping guys. I don't think he is in it for the money, he wants to help.

He brings some of his own unique situation into his teaching, with regard to fighting and that sort of stuff, but that's ok. I think his sexual state stuff, basically what you radiate and do non-verbally, once you have rapport, is fine, but it's not nearly as good as what you would learn from Kim and Tom about state shifting. But it's good for what it is and you will get your money's worth from Gun's ebook, so if you ARE looking for an ebook, you should probably buy that one. I’ve read it and enjoyed it.

Clifford: Perhaps you can elaborate on how what you teach deals with the extra effort that is needed for "a guy who looks like that" to create attraction compared to the Johnny Depp types.

Ross: That's easy; and by the way, some Johnny Depp guys have worked out some difficult stuff and deserve credit. I'll come right out and say it: most teachers in the community are either copying me, or copying Mystery or copying both of us in some combination, with perhaps a few minor things thrown in. Gunwitch is an exception; I don't think he is doing much copying of anyone. I'd also throw him into the "original" category.

As for extra effort: let's reduce it down to raw, physical sensations.

If you are so good looking that when you walk into a room, at least a minority of the women, look, take in a big inhale, and get butterflies in their tummy or their hearts beat faster or their clits tingle: if, just by looking, they feel, on the inside, whatever unique body sensations tell them, THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO YOU, then half the fight is over just by you stepping into the ring, ok?

This isn't rocket science.

If you don't have the looks that cause her to feel those signals in her body (what I call Signal Recognition), how are you going to create those signals and get her to link them, on some level, to you and to taking action with you?

Now, I don't knock acting and being confident. Cliff, you know full well I have been teaching that for years, yes?

I just think it is going too far to push into invalidating the woman, making her feel insecure, and also making the transaction being almost all about her listening to YOU. It’s too much work and ignores very important, useful things.

My argument is, that will be enough for a great looking guy to push a woman who is already up on the fence, due to his looks, over into his bed.

It won't be enough for a guy who isn't good looking, her type, in her preferred age range, or otherwise what she is used to having "trip her trigger".

I say, that every woman, 16 to 60, has her own set of internal processes, structures and feeling flows that on some level, let her know, she's hot and willing.

I don't care how they got there, but the issue is: how to bring them to the surface, get them linked to you, and have her act on them.

My solution is to use language: language is a strong key to getting women's right brain/emotions activated. Anyone who ignores this is ignoring that women process language differently and have different and far stronger emotional responses than we guys.

Just look at romance novels: they outsell every other form of literature, fiction or non-fiction, COMBINED. We would puke at this stuff. Women snap it up.

Or take the famous Spanish poet, Pablo Neruda. He's old, ugly, and women off all ages MOB him and literally throw their panties at him.

Now, I'm not saying you have to be a novel writer or a romantic poet; far from it.

But you do need to learn how to get women talking about what MOVES them: where do they find their escape, indulgence, adventure, sense of connection?

What it's like when they find a more primitive side of themselves looking out through their eyes, stirring to awaken, and the flow of feeling that lets them know:mmm...I want to be someone else for a while.

Get it? These themes "prime the pump" and awaken those sleeping structures in a woman's psyche that process lust, desire, wild abandon, throwing out the rules, etc. So if you know how to smoothly introduce these themes in a conversation and know how to spot and use her responses, you can trigger incredibly powerful feelings very quickly in a way that seems perfectly natural. Just as important, you can gain incredible information about how she thinks, and what REALLY moves her into these powerful feeling states: what uniquely moves HER, as an individual. She'll fucking hand you her emotional road-map on a platter, verbally and non-verbally if you do this right.

The key is: GET HER TALKING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION and use her words and non-verbal responses to progressively gather more information about what moves her, progressively get stronger feelings, until she is ready to be closed.

To do that, you HAVE to get her talking. You can't be spending 30 minutes doing your own canned routines to demonstrate your exciting life, your "higher value," etc. YOU HAVE TO GATHER INFORMATION ABOUT HER. You can't do that if you are the one doing 80% of the talking.

Just by knowing how to introduce these topics and themes, you are already demonstrating value by virtue of the fact that you are showing you understand how women think. Not enough to get laid, but enough to set you apart already as being different.

Does this make sense?

At the end of doing a Speed Seduction® you really know who the woman is and what moves her in ways her best friends don't, because you've got her talking about the right things and learned to observe and listened.

Clifford: How is Speed Seduction today different than what you first introduced in 1993?

Ross: There is FAR less emphasis on the canned, memorized "speeches/patterns".

Do not get me wrong. There is still a role for memorization. It is just we more emphasize introducing conversational themes, asking questions that get women talking in the right direction, and then skillfully using her own "personal trance words" and her own non-verbal responses, fed back to her.

The "canned" stuff is now used to "prime the pump" and stimulate her imagination, to get her talking, if she is not responsive right away.

We have also MASSIVELY improved the self-confidence or "inner game" stuff. All the older stuff is still great, but the newer work is far, FAR more effective. We can take guys deeply stuck and truly get them going.

I am also far more adept at using and teaching the use of "internal energy" and aligning it with the proper beliefs, so that the skills are conducted through these, rather than being pushed through a wall of fear.

That is to say, you can have the right skills, but if you have to push them out THROUGH fear, they won't work nearly as well.

If you can align the right internal energy, with supporting beliefs, then the skills don't need to be pushed, even for a newbie. They will flow out much more organically and with far less mental effort and work.

Clifford: What would you say are the major breakthroughs that led you to what you are currently teaching? Who has been a big influence on your work, during this time?

Ross: First, foremost and as I have said openly, Kim and Tom of essential-skills.com have helped me profoundly in many, many ways, especially emphasizing the non-verbal aspects, such as rapport and anchoring. You will get more real-world NLP skills from 3 days with these guys than you will in 6 months in an NLP Prac or Master Prac program.

I have also learned massively from my own students who have come to my seminars or used my products or both: Dave Riker, John Vetterling, dEx, Vince Kelvin and a few others as well. I openly acknowledge and even welcome when a student has figured something out in a better way than I have or just shows huge mastery and I INVITE them to openly contribute.

Mark Whitwell, my Yoga teacher of the past year and a half has massively changed my life with the personal practice he taught me. I can't say enough about his work; it is yoga WITHOUT gymnastics, muscular activity, or strain. It's about the union of breath, body, and a strength that receives. http://www.heartofyoga.org GET HIS BOOK!

Shirleen Rodrigues: Shirleen has taught me enormous amounts about energetics, gathering info from a person's field, and I can't say enough about her work. Shirleen is a true gem in my life.

Clifford: What is the typical profile of the students who come to your seminars and buy your products? What are the common challenges they are facing?

Ross: Cliff, you have been to my events. The students range from 18 to the late 60's, come from every economic background and occupation, every possible range of shapes, sizes and appearances, with a wide variance in their success or lack of success and experience with women, and they also come from all over the world.

There is no "type" but there IS a clustering or predominance of engineers, software, information technology people; about 30% or more fit this description. Oddly enough, and for reasons I am stumped to explain after 12 years of doing this, we also get a good proportion of military people. I can't for the life of me explain that. Yates, my business partner and co-trainer is an ex-Air Force Major, but I don't think that explains it. Maybe one of my military guys is on your list and will read this and write in to offer a clue. We also get a smattering of law-enforcement and even intelligence community folks, but I'll leave that last one to your fertile imagination; suffice it to say if my detractors knew who I really had in my fan club they would shit in their pea-cocked pants.

Common challenges: being out of the game for years, due to being married or in a "real-hate-shun-ship" and now being stuck.

Having a girlfriend or two they accidentally attract, but having no program or process to repeat the success. Or not being able to step up to the caliber or quality of woman/women they want. MANY guys are in that category.

Being so afraid and socially impacted, they NEVER get women, beyond being "friends" and they are fed up with it.

Guys who already quite good, but want to do even better: what I call "edge junkies". About 30% of the students fit in there.

Clifford: How relevant and useful is SS to the bar/club scene?

Ross: Ahhhh...hmmm. Well, you know, I think what people think and find possible depends on their beliefs. I've had guys who have never even bought a course explain to me how SS just CANNOT work in bars/clubs, but I think they either have not seen my work since 1997, and assume it has to be about only spouting memorized speeches, or they just don't really get it or whatever.

I use SS in upscale restaurants that have bars attached to them. I don't use it in "bar" only bars, because I don't go to those places, but I have students who do so, quite successfully.

Speaking of which, remember when I visited last in Montreal? Do you remember I told you I was going to use my energy to make that one girl across the bar turn around and look at me, and at the exact moment I said, "Ok, I'm in her mind" she turned around?

There's lots you can do, energetically, that I am also now teaching. So you don't even need to speak to get attention, but it's a more advanced skill to develop, takes patience, and is frankly somewhat more "iffy". You still have to talk once they come over to you.

Anyway, SS isn't about a special venue, but a guiding set of principles for knowing what to pay attention to, what to evoke, and what to use. If they can hear you at all, you can use it, ANYWHERE.

As for clubs: I don't go to clubs. I'm 46 years old, don't like drunk people, HATE loud noise and I want to be in bed by 1 AM.

But I have some students who use it in clubs: Vince Kelvin springs to mind. He's got wicked SS skills in ANY venue or setting.

Clifford: What do you think of the "PUA" style of pick up that has evolved to handle these venues/locations?

Ross: It's behavioral based, formulaic, and most importantly, totally ignores the step of evoking and gathering responses and information from the woman in front of you.

You run the same routines, SAME scripts, no matter WHO she might uniquely be.

There is NO effort to really learn about or understand what MOVES her. Such information is considered useless, even counter-seductive.

I agree with one aspect, and this applies to Mystery's work: in a club, to reach a 10, who is surrounded by her friends and girlfriends, you probably do need to learn to disarm the obstacles. So that would be useful, indeed. Then I would proceed to use SS on her, once you have her isolated, which is what the more honest teachers admit they do anyway.

And sure: I agree confidence is attractive. The PUAs are right about that.

But can we prove it triggers some evolutionary/genetic mating instinct?

Are they really claiming that women are going to wet their pussies, feel their clits tingle and get PHYSICALLY TURNED ON by these PUA displays, because something in their genes kicks in and makes them want to fuck when a guy "busts" on them?!"

C'mon now. This shit is just silly.

The best you are doing with the PUA/cocky-funny stuff is getting past her "is this another boring guy" shield .

That ain't enough to get her to "mate" with you unless you are also as good looking as most of these guys.

Case closed.

Clifford: What do you think of the students of yours who have since gone out on their own to teach their own methods and systems?

Ross: I just wish they would show SOME integrity and be honest enough to acknowledge how much they learned from me.

Not ONE of them will.

As you have seen in this interview, I have no problem acknowledging those who I learn from. I think it is fair to expect the same in return.

Along those lines, to be honest and fair, even though we have split, and are not on speaking terms, I do acknowledge Mark Cunningham as someone who definitely stimulated very interesting lines of thinking on my part.

It wasn't so much specific things, but rather broad brush strokes of thought he painted in our collaboration that caused me to run out and experiment in my own way. I won't discuss our split, but I do acknowledge Mark as someone I learned from and who was an influence in my thinking and who STRONGLY stimulated my creativity in many ways.

See? I can acknowledge my contributors. Why can't these guys?

But what bugs me are the flat out liars. There is no way to be polite about it. Some of these guys are lying like crazy about who came up with what.

Let's take one nasty, even mentally disturbed example: Mr. JS, wrote an ebook where, among other things, he talks about setting frames. He claims in public forums that HE taught me this stuff and that he was, and I quote, "a star" at my Speed Seduction seminars.

Now, Cliff, on my cats' eyes, this guy was at my LA 99 seminar, where he learned this frame setting stuff from me, WORD FOR WORD. I think he might even be on the videos; I'd have to run and look.

Now, for him to take the material and not even acknowledge me is bad enough. But to lie in public forums and claim HE taught it to ME, crosses over into sheer malice. (BTW, this is one of the really good looking guys too; he flat out lies about THAT in his marketing material, saying he is average looking. It's another blatant, no, make that OUTRAGEOUS lie.)

Look: I've had people write me and say I should just shut up about this stuff and not complain; that it makes me look like a whiner.

I say, if your model of the world says it is ok for people to steal your work and then lie about it and smear you, good on you.

My model is I don't put up with that. Criticism, snipes, rivalry, sure.

But theft? No. You try having someone steal from you, then call YOU the thief and if YOU can put up with it. Until then, don't expect me to. I won't. Anyone who relies on their intellectual effort and property to earn their living will understand. No one else will.

Clifford: Have you picked up any really good non-SS seduction tips that you can share? I think your first book had a lot of this type of thing in it and I know that since then you've focused on the technology, which you've explained at length here. But given your stature and position in the community, you

must have come across some really interesting unrelated tricks/strategies

over the years (I still use your cunnilingus technique from the first book)

Ross: Sure.

Based on my own experimenting, you can learn to do some incredibly powerful things with erotic touch in places women would not normally find intrusive or invasive or even recognize as being a "hot spot".

In other words, you wouldn’t touch anywhere her "swim suit" covers.

I have video files of me making a woman border-line cum on stage by lightly massaging the back of her neck. Damn it, where are those?

I think this link still works:

http://seduction.com/exclusive.asp

The sound is not so great but you can clearly see her responding.

The palm and especially the THUMB work incredibly well, as will the small of the back. And scalp, once you get her alone, is devastating.

Damn, the thumb is sneaky. I’ve had women literally wet themselves in public, over a drink, because I lightly touched their thumb in the right way.

Try this. Take the index finger of your left hand. GENTLY, LIGHTLY, take the pad of your index finger and run it along the outside edge of your right thumb and then the pad of the thumb. It feels about as sensitive as the head of your cock. Same for women; it’s an analog to touching her clit.

I also definitely believe in energy, both in terms of transmitting emotion and also containing and transmitting information. There truly are some amazing things you can learn to do without uttering a word, but this gets into the realm of "magick/remote influence" which I teach separately. Let me, in the interest of consistency, state right here and now I do NOT claim it to be scientific in ANY sense. Just something you can observationally verify for yourself as workable, though not consistently. It IS erratic, but also beyond coincidence.

Just an example, there is a meditation/visualizing that I do that will cause women for 2-3 days afterwards to come up to me and INSIST they know me.

This isn’t about me changing my non-verbal cues; I know how to look at a stranger with that "Wow, I know you look" and make them talk to me that way.

I totally suppress that look, to make sure it isn’t a factor. And yet, when I do this, women will approach me and about half the time, not only THINK they know me, but INSIST they know me.

I remember doing this and then going to a yoga class. A stunning, hot blonde was on a mat behind me, and I couldn’t help looking at her whenever a pose would allow it.

After class, she began walking toward me. I thought, "fuck, I’m busted. She’s going to complain to me and the teacher about me staring at her! FUCK!"

Instead she insisted that my name was Phil, that I played drums for her and her friends when they would dance at lunch hour, at UC Berkeley, and she would not believe me at first when I said, no, I’m not.

That same week, I went to Vegas to visit a couple who are friends of mine, Richard and Heather. On the drive from the airport, I explained about my experiment. Richard poo-poo’ed it, but Heather just listened.

We arrived at the hotel and took the elevator to the concierge floor. As soon as I stepped out of the elevator, the woman behind the desk said, "Didn’t I just serve you here yesterday?"

Richard accused me of arranging it.

Again, for some reason, these things are not always duplicable and I wouldn’t recommend them for beginners. But I and my students have MANY such stories to tell.

Clifford: I want to thank you for taking so much time to explain about SS to those reading this. I think a lot of the new people out there have heard about it and are curious, but now will have a good explanation from the creator himself. For a list of Ross’s upcoming Seminars, go to http://seduction.com/seminars.asp

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Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):

MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!

Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.

THE TORONTO LAIR

The Greater Toronto Area Lair Goes by the acronym for TOronto PUAS (TOPS) and has been going from success to success lately. There have been great talks by local PUAs who are regulars on Clifford's list, great outings, and membership continues to grow.

TOPs is open to men (and women) at all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist. Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know - and a commitment to test what you learn in the real world.

To join the Lair, send a request to: TO_Lair-owner@yahoogroups.com

If you have questions, you can contact the TOPS President, Smooth (cdnglenn@yahoo.ca) or TOPS Webmaster, Pluvio (pluvio69@yahoo.com)

HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING

Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest@freemail.hu!" NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY: Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):

The Norwich lair has been setup for RAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

OHIO LAIR FORMED: An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.

VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/

SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:

With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. They have 16 members within the last 2 weeks. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or

NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.

BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:

The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make

new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
New Zealand e-group started by Capital D – visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nzlair/

SCOTLAND LAIR:

There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com/"> http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.

*****DUBLIN LAIR FORMING!!*****

To join our Lair in Dublin, Ireland contact Johnny at dublinlair@online.ie

BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:

To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:

Any Tokyo guys looking to join a Lair in Tokyo should email Vlad at tokyolair@hotmail.com. NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:

We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.

ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:

The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.

All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

A FORUM FOR PUA'S IN INDIA!!

All aspiring PUAs in India are invited to join our spanking new forum where we discuss the specifics and nitty-gritties of PU in India. We already have a few experienced guys in the group from whom we are getting some good advice. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please visit http://www.puas-india.tk/"> http://WWW.PUAS-INDIA.TK to register and post an introduction ASAP.

BRISTOL LAIR

These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:

If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!

The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:

A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:

No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at

gpatel1981@yahoo.com

NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!! Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:

Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & Sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA

Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:

We have already met-up with couple of local guys and Sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"

KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:

Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write discohornet@yahoo.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.

PARIS LAIR FORMED:

The Paris Lair is up. Those interested should go visit http://www.parislair.com and hit the forum on how to join.

We want to keep the lair focused on field work and results. So no keyboards jockeys please. We are a bunch of highly motivated people who share the same passion and help each other to achieve the best possible outcome.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:

Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:

Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/

NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:

The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:

A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:

We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:

Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:

Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ATLANTA:

I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:

A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will Sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:

The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:

Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.

NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):

A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:

The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:

The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

WASHINGTON, D.C.:

DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com

SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!

I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.

THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)

The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."

NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:

Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com

NYC:

Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM

SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):

1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net

2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.

SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:

We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous Sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.

SALT LAKE CITY:

Contact Ronnie at ronnie@wbinvestors.com

TOLEDO, OHIO - METRO DETROIT:

I am interested in starting a Lair in the Toledo, Ohio - Metro Detroit Area; Those interested should email Jay at TSAFriend@hotmail.com

HOUSTON:

Houston Brothers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HoustonLair/

Or write to S.S. Brothers at houstontexaslair@yahoo.com

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:

The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au

Melbourne Lair: The place, an open shopping center in the heart of the city. I sit down at the food court and wait for familiar faces to arrive. I picked the location of this months meeting of the Melbourne Lair, Its great to have it in an informal place like a food court, sets a nice relaxing mood. Once everybody arrives we push some tables together and start the meeting. We discuss peoples sticking points and offer suggestions, we tell stories of crash and burns and success stories. We just shoot the sh*t, it f*cking great to meet up with like minded people. While telling someone my smurf routine, I see two guys get up from the table and start walking away, I glance back later to see them sitting with a girl, these guys are approach machines.

The meeting goes on way too f*cking long, everybody's got a story to tell, advice to offer, we could talk to each other for days. I feel like this is Ocean's 11 and we are planning the big heist. There is the leader, he started the group. The guru, he's an encyclopedia of info. There is the joker, he can't stop negging and teasing everyone; f*cking Canadians. There's the approach machines, they can't follow the conversation because they are too busy following the nearest piece of ass. There is the SSer, the grease boy and of course Brad Pitt. We all exchange numbers before leaving and make plans for sarging during the week. If there is a Lair in your area, join it, if there isn't, start one of your own. You will not regret it.

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND

Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz

MIAMI:

Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.

CHICAGO:

Contact Paul "La Piovra" at pb@core.com

Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago

LONDON, ENGLAND

The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com

AMSTERDAM:

Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/

The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.

PERTH, AUSTRALIA:

The Perth lair is a small group of people who Sarge regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.

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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html

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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:

I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.

Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List. Also note: RSD will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.

Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):

Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...

Individualized Bootcamps

Here is the latest RSD Schedule (sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/):

CLASSROOM SEMINARS

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March 26-27, 2005 Sydney, Australia

April 23-25, 2005 Washington DC , USA

May 28-30, 2005 New York, USA

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February 25-27, 2005 Los Angeles, USA

March 25-27, 2005 Sydney, Australia

April 22-24, 2005 Washington DC , USA

May 27-29, 2005 New York, USA

INDIVIDUALIZED BOOTCAMPS

February 4-6, 2005 Sydney, Australia
MONTREAL DATES: CLASSROOM SEMINAR (July 1-2, 2005) and IN-FIELD WORKSHOP (July 1-3, 2005) Bootcamp: July 8-10, 2005

Go to http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ to signup for these events on their schedule. More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com

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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!

Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.

The website is http://www.set nalife.com. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.

The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.

Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).

This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.

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Mystery Method Workshops:

What method are YOU using?

If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.

If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.

Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).

The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?

If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://www.mysterymethod.com/"> http://www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.

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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at http://www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.

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Will, who was the subject of a great DYD interview, has a new website that you should check out:

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Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really

understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?

If so, check out http://www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/

Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar

If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on Sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!

The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.

For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.

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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:

Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.

To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.

Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.

Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.

The basic structure of the workshop is:

Day 1:

Social intelligence/emotional intelligence

How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style

Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets

Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice

Difference between emotional and party type girls

Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city

Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)

Day 2:

Difference between PUing alone and with a wing

Different tools for getting attraction

Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)

Stealing their frames

Passing sh*t tests

Push-pull

Isolation tactics(2steps)

Day 3:

AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)

Boyfriend destroyers

Passing LMR

Secrets of good s*ex

How to manage a good relationship

More bodylanguage secrets

How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour

How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget

Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)

Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.

For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/"> http://www.badboylifestyle.com

Individualized Workshop (1on1) Instuctors : Badboy, Cortez, Shark

Cancun, Mexico - March 10-11-12 (2005) - $995.95

Cancun, Mexico - March 24-25-26 (2005) - $995.95

Cancun, Mexico - March /April 31 - 1-2 (2005) - $995.95

Amsterdam - April 21-22-23 (2005) - $995.95 Instructors: Shark, Badboy

You can make a deposit ($200) for a workshop on Paypal and send money to: nightlife@playboylifestyle.net

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Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"

Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.

Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! http://www.seductionlair.com/

The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!

http://www.seductionlair.com/

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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sensei & Wilder Pick-Up 101 (info@pickup101.com):

A Special Offer From Pick-Up 101!

Just a quick letter and a special offer to start The New Year.

First we want to wish you a very happy and prosperous new year. We are excited about the opportunities each new year brings, and we hope you are too.

We’re are also writing to you because you’ve expressed interested in our workshops ( http://www.pickup101.com,/">http://www.pickup101.com, ) and because of that interest we’d like to extend to you a very special offer.

We have worked hard over this last year to create a workshop that in only 3 days will completely transform you and give you all the core skills and material you need. We focus on attraction is because that is where the magic happens! Attraction is what separates "nice guys" who are friends with girls from the guys who drive those same women crazy.

We’ve created exercises that teach you how to graciously and playfully touch women in a way that leaves them wanting more. The way a woman wants to be touched is more subtle than most men can imagine. We teach you what they all wish you knew already!

You get many chances to practice and hone exactly what you’re going to say before we take you out to the clubs for our in-field training. And what’s more you’ll be watched and critiqued by the instructors who will help you look and feel your best before you ever get out talking to real women!

The process we’ve developed for taking elements from your life and turning them into stories that women love is truly transformational. Everyone has stories to tell. In our unique exercises you’ll work one on one with instructors who work with you own stories and help you learn to tell them in a way that will captivate any audience.

We teach you the body language that gets women wondering about you before you even approach. Attraction can happen in seconds and body language is one of the first and most important aspects of this. You’ll work one on one with instructors who will help you present a "You" to the world that makes the hottest women stop and take note.

And our favorite new training technique... video feedback. Imagine having the opportunity to practice on two very hot, club-savvy women we bring into to the training room. This whole interaction is captured on video and you get to watch yourself while getting real-time feedback from the women and the master instructors.

***We Are So Confident In Our Process, We Guarantee It!

We call it our "better than money back" guarantee. If by the end of the second day, you don't feel like you have received more value than you expected, we will refund every dollar you paid, and give you $50.00 for wasting your time. We are that confident that our workshops are a life changing experience!

Due to increased demand and all the new features we have added, we’ve increased our rates for our workshops in 2005 to $1200; an unbelievable value for a workshop of this caliber. You get 3 full days and 2 full nights with two of the best pick-up artists in the world where they’ll share with you all the knowledge they’ve gained in their over 23 years combined experience. That works out to about $30.00 an hour to learn from two of the top experts in the field.

But because you’ve expressed interest in the past, we want to give you one last chance to sign up at last year’s rate of $900; a 25% discount over this year’s rate. A full $300 off the current price!

This is a limited time offer.

So here’s the deal. Sign up for any of our upcoming Art of Attraction workshops:

San Francisco, CA: February 18 20

Phoenix, AZ: February 25 27

San Francisco, CA: March 11 13

A $200 deposit holds your space.

Our workshops have been selling out, and we have been turning people away. So when you know which one you want to take, sign up right away!

If you have questions or would like to sign up give us a call on 415.793.2442.

PS: Email us if you are interested in participating our free teleseminar series. You get a chance to learn from us and ask us the questions that will help you the most on your path.
Pick-Up 101

Taught at the Project San Francisco Mansion by Sensei and Wilder. Classes are a combination of lecture and tons of personal attention with supervised fieldwork in the evenings. The Fundamentals are hammered home: Opening, Generating Attraction, Isolation and Bridging. We work with each student to highlight their strengths and create a congruent image and identity. We also work with students to make their _own_ structured openers and attraction stories. Finally, we bring in live girls for the guys to practice on and we video tape and critique these sessions. There is no faster way to get up to speed on the fundamentals of pick-up than this workshop. And any PUA who has truly mastered the fundamentals is already in the top 5% of guys out there doing this stuff. Pricing, workshop schedules and student testimonials available at our website, http://www.pickup101.com/">http://www.pickup101.com
Here's the updated and upcoming Pick-Up 101 Workshop info:

Fist, we're instituting a referral program for our workshops. Anyone you refer from outside the community who signs up for our fundamentals workshop, now called The Art of Attraction, we'll pay you $50 cash or $100 credit toward future workshops (stay tuned for massive results from our Study Groups.)

*** And a new one!

Free Orientation Workshop...

This is a 2 hour free workshop where we introduce people to what we do. It a great place to come meet the instructors, see the Project San Francisco Mansion and check out upcoming classes. Everyone has friends that aren't in the community, and it gets to be a pain winging with them because they don't know anything. This is the place to bring them. It's free, and it'll get them excited about the community and you'll get your wing back! This is a great opportunity to get referral fees, just bring them here to the free seminar and we'll do the rest!

Game on

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Juggler is back!

See the sharp revised website at http://www.jugglermethod.com/. Juggler Method will be hosting Seminars and Workshops in English-speaking countries worldwide over the course of 2005. Timing is usually as follows:
- Fri-Sat: Weekend Workshop
- Sun: Seminar
- Mon-Tues: Weekday Workshop

1st Half 2005 Schedule (subject to change)

Dates Events Notes

Sydney, Aus: Feb 16-20 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: Feb 20

Austin: March 11-15 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: March 13

Washington, DC: March 25-29 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: March 27

Chicago: April 8-12 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: April 10

Toronto: April 22-26 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: April 24

London, England: May 6-15 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: May 8

San Francisco: May 20-24 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: May 22

Please email info@jugglermethod.com to reserve your spot today - both events are filling up quickly. If possible, please indicate the city of interest and either "Workshop" or "Seminar" in the subject line of the email.

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Check out the 'supermarket of seduction' at http://www.seductionpro.com. Lots of interesting products to look into.

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Impact Interaction (http://www.impactinteraction.com) @ London

Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.

The workshops include:

- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear

- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance

- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…

For more information go to http://www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.

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Setting The Standard For Seduction Workshops

"Free your mind."

Those are the words Morpheus said to Neo in the blockbuster hit The Matrix, a film which delves into deep philosophical questions about how the world around use keeps us from reaching our full potential as human beings.

Today, there are millions of men in the world who have bought into their own personal "matrix." They're hampered by society and their own self-limiting beliefs.

Desperately, they seek help in the form of online self-help message boards, books, CDs, Videos, and even workshops and seminars.

Have you ever asked yourself: why do these people keep buying these self-help products, but never seem to get anywhere with them?

Why do people spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on a workshop designed to help them learn to pick-up women, and then go home without any tangible results, only to fall back into their old habits again?

It is because they are given the knowledge, but not taught HOW TO USE IT!

Too often, you are held back from your true potential because you are not given the supervision you need to achieve your goals. Like riding a bike, when you first start, you need someone beside you to help give you balance, before you can ride on your own.

No seduction coaching service has ever offered this kind of personal attention to helping you succeed.

Until now.

Robert Torrey, aka Nightlife, the former head of the San Diego Lair and former instructor and manager for a prominent Seduction Workshop enterprise, has formed a new company designed to help give the personal attention students need to break out of their own Matrix and "free their minds." His partners in this exciting new endeavor come from a mix of well respected and seasoned companies.

The instructors are:

Cameron Teone, who has gone by the moniker "TheOne," has taught as a guest instructor for Real Social Dynamics and other seduction workshops.

Seth Parker, who has gone by the moniker "Dreamweaver," who had also taught as a guest instructor for Real Social Dynamics and other seduction workshops.

Ranko Magami, who goes by the monkier "Shark" for the Badboylifestyle Crew.

Dave Riker, of Speed Seduction fame, is also onboard as advisor, and sometimes guest instructor.

The exciting new Company they have formed in called Fidentia, which is Latin for confidence and boldness.

For the first time, this group of experienced and qualified ladies men have combined a MIX of EVERY MAJOR SEDUCTION STYLE around to form a workshop experience that is completely new and original and will raise the bar of what you should expect out of such an experience!

The company was formed after Robert Torrey began testing this unique form of workshop with a lucky, select few in San Diego, while Cameron and Seth participated as guests instructors. After the amazing initial results, Robert Torrey continued to test his new method with a group of eager students in Miami, and was able to surpass the results he was achieved in San Diego!

Seeing the amazing response and subsequent success of this new style of teaching, Ranko (aka: Shark) was excited to leave his position as an instructor with another well known workshop and join Fidentia and all the potential it has to offer.

Workshops will be held worldwide. Robert Torrey as well as Dave Riker live in San Diego. Seth Parker and Cameron live in Los Angeles. Ranko Magami lives in Croatia, an Eastern European Country. They are already getting ready to train a group of qualified instructors in Europe and Australia so the company will be in every major corner of the globe.

The company was formed for a variety of reaons. Some of the instructors felt that they could no longer teach for certain organizations as they agreed neither with the methods being taught, nor the lack of professionalism they had with the planning and structuring of their student's learning experience.

This new company has empowered Shark, Nightlife, Dreamweaver, The One, and Dave Riker to produce a TRULY UNIQUE workshop that caters to the individual student, offers personal coaching, and handles every student's unique problems and difficulties. Fidentia is dedicated to helping their attendees grow, as well as dedicated to oustanding customer service and professionalism not seen before in the workshop community.

If you've tried the rest and have been met with more frustration and still haven't achieved your goals, maybe it's time to try the BEST.

Free your mind, and your hopes and dreams will follow.

To contact Fidentia visit their website at: http://www.badboycoaching.com/">http://www.badboycoaching.com

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Flirting Weekend London -

Learn how to develop immense pulling power in every aspect of your life!

"Flirting isn't just about impressing the opposite sex and picking up a partner, it's about getting on with people", says Peta Heskell, the founder of Britain's only Flirting Academy. "Great flirts do it with everyone -flirt that is!" Flirting is a way of interacting with people that makes it fun and easy to connect with them and makes them want to be with you. Become super sexy, develop your conversation power, boost your confidence, courage and self esteem and find out how to approach strangers and feel good. You may be looking for love, want to make more friends or improve the way you interact with people in general.

Flirt with life. Flirt for love. Flirt for fun. Flirt for success.

For more information about the Flirting Weekend, contact

LifeTalks - tel. 0117 973 1010, email info@lifetalks.co.uk or visit http://www.lifetalks.co.uk/"> http://www.lifetalks.co.uk For more information about the Flirting Weekend in London and other workshops with Peta, contact The Attraction Academy tel. 0700 4 354 784 or

visit http://www.attractionacademy.com/

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Have you ever asked yourself...

* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?

* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?

* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?

Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)

Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.

Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.

There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.

http://www.MakeoutMastery.com/

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Step by Step Threesomes
Hey, check out Suzy Bauer's site and her e-book (we need a review, so someone get this and let us know what you think) about creating threesomes. Suzy is an attractive married bi-sexual woman who says that her e-book will show you what to do to create threesomes, how to overcome resistance and how no one can tell you how to do this better than a woman. http://www.stepbystepthreesome.com/

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"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"

http://www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm

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Maximillian Hell:

I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell

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Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):

http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

http://www.macktactics.com/

http://www.seductionformula.com

http://www.thejamesmethod.com/

http://www.seductiondvd.com/

http://www.becomeaplayer.com/

http://www.SeductionGuide.net/

http://www.sensualitysecrets.com/ http://www.puamedia.com/main/

Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: http://www.dynamicsexlife.com/

Someone needs to check this site and its products out also: http://www.mensniche.com (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

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Daniel:

If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at http://www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.

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Carlos Xuma:

Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, s*ex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: http://www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm

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() (@.com ):

has a system and set of Tarot Cards that he his going to be launching soon. Find out more at his website.

P.S. Try magic words 'ben' 'rap' and 'nlp'.

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A few sites to check out:

http://www.becomeaplayer.com

Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => http://www.highstatusmale.com/.

David Wygant (http://www.whatsyourexcuse.com & http://www.mydatingagent.com).

Check out Payton Kane http://www.seduceandconquer.com. VERY interesting. There will be a review of his product here shortly.

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Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: http://www.HypnosisEvents.com

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The Foundations of Seduction

Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: http://www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD http://www.sexualkey.com/

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"FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been doing several boot camp style one-on-one courses.

To find out more about the "Freedom with Women" seminar, go to http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/fww5.html

or contact davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com

HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/

1. You can receive a series of audio programs from the "Freedom With Women" seminar. This audio is not available anywhere else!

2. You'll get valuable email summations of these audio programs to "lock in" the learning and help you take action.

3. You'l get other special email lessons from the "Freedom with Women" seminar, all about finally having real freedom with the women you desire.

To get the free course, go to http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/free-audio.html

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Advanced Macking:

In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: http://www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm

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Michael:

If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level, you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminars in Toronto. It is two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.

There are also awesome guest speakers at these seminar:

To learn more about this special seminar, go to:

http://www.thedatingwizard.com/

And follow the "Seminars" link.

And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.

Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!

Download it now at:

http://207.68.162.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=d8b06071c3ef3bbd1bcba767978787a2&lat=1076878084&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2emcssl%2ecom%2fapp%2faftrack%2easp%3fafid%3d104215"> http://www.thedatingwizard.com/ And follow the link to "About The Dating Wizard"

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FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL

The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:

1. Trance Words

2. Rapport

3. Persuasion Anchoring

4. Pacing, &

5. Leading

Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.

Anyone may join the tutorial at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/

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