Rather Soft And Using The Teeth And Ending With A Suction Like Kiss
Approach. (Biting.)
After a lot of reading and absorption of material on Clifford’s seduction website, and also all the material I could get my hands on from Ross Jeffries, I wanted to change from an AFC to PUA as a goal to change the mundane single life into a world filled with opportunity. Attraction dynamics as a field of study with general NLP fascinated me.
I went to a couple of venues to do crash and burn as exercise to be desensitized from rejection. As I am 48 years old and do not have good looks, and have 2 broken marriages behind me, I had to approach in a different way.
In the beginning, I had several rejections from mild to severe, but always remembered the words of Ross Jeffries that this woman does not see my value and should immediately be brushed off for the sake of the opportunity to meet another one. This kept me going.
Remembering also that the first touch for a woman is the voice, I did some training to better my voice modulation, but was disappointed that the voice modulation thing did not sit well with me. Although I have, in the past, addressed many people in formal meetings, and presented week-long software education courses where speaking skills are a crucial requirement to holding interest, the seductive voice still eludes me. One thing is sure, nobody sleeps in my class !
I am, however, able to achieve good rapport and conversation using humor and interesting subjects. Age does bring certain advantages in depth and knowledge of conversation skills.
“Get off your ass and go to your niche” kept me motivated and prompted me to go to a dance (dancing at a venue where singles meet to dance. I don't know what you call it, but it’s probably something like ballroom dancing where people do 2 step and waltz type dances.)
I saw so many girls, and they all were so inviting. I had some drinks before and saw a girl bending slightly over a table asking another guy something. With the 3 second rule in my head and without hesitation, I walked right up to her back and bit her in the neck. (The bite was not a painful one, but rather soft, and using the teeth, and ending with a suction like kiss.) I then walked off to fetch a drink and thought that biting her was probably a bit over the top.
It turned out to be just the opposite as the girl came looking for me and asked me if I had bitten her, to which I answered “Yes.” Expecting to be slapped, I was invited to dance with her, and things progressed at a hectic pace ... lots of Kino, kissing after the dance, sitting together, staring and sideways glances, more dancing and a close within 1.5 hours. Spending the weekend curled up in bed ... need I say more ?!
It turns out that the girl is a physical touch type (like me) as defined in the book “The 5 Love Languages.” She just craves Kino. Some days later, when I asked her about the bite, she said that the attraction is about spontaneity, adventure, excitement, and she had shivers down her spine from the bite and the sheer boldness of it all being bitten by a stranger !
How is that for an anchor without a word spoken ?! She is completely hooked on me and cannot spend time away from me.
I would love to hear of other people trying this and their results. I should warn you, since I have only done this once, that I suppose trying this with the wrong person at the wrong time will get you slapped or a rude stare. This thing smacks of a GM style, asking the girl her name, and then if she wants to fuck. I cannot believe the success I had. Then again, in retrospect, all females like to be touched and or kissed. What have you got to lose ?
My opinion of the success is that biting is a very basic animal lust thing. Biting would fall into a category above physical teasing like a nudge, a push, a bump, a poke, a wink ... even breathing in her ear ... and all this without speaking a word.
Hope you all have a good time, and all the very best.
Thanks again to all the inspiring people, especially Clifford and also Ross Jeffries, and all the articles from the contributors to this newsletters.
In my years reviewing seduction literature I noticed many tactics and strategies designed to corner women, verbally force them into some sort of mental submission because they could not see the offering man's value. In fact, these mental submissions to me come across like “a ton of bricks” due to a lack of any other value, similarly to what the author in the above mentioned book describes. Hence I said it before and I will say it again, it's critical to look one's best at all time, eat properly and stay in the best shape possible, as that makes all other displays of value that much more significant and meaningful.
As the author does in her weight loss experience, I feel it's important to shed ourselves of anything that prevents our real value from emerging ... things such as being out of shape, social ineptitude, lack of consideration for others, inability to listen, etc., and reveal our true value ... whether that be physical beauty, inner strength, intelligence, wit, charm, and anything else for that matter. We all have value, it's just a matter of getting rid of the blocks that stand in the way of truly revealing what we have to offer inside.
On ignoring the BF from the last post: I do indeed agree it's important to give as little energy as possible to the things we want to negate. That seems to me to be an even more powerful tool than any other BF destroyer or otherwise. Giving little attention to something in effect negates its effect to almost nothing. No matter how upset she gets, how much she claims she loves her BF or how committed she seems to him or how much she does not want a relationship, put that aside, listen to it, and then let it go.
One another note: since the New Year I have been experimenting with simply preparing my food in the traditional stove and oven way. Often in the past I would use the microwave to cook my potatoes, oatmeal, warm up milk, rice and meat and other foods. In my quest for constant self improvement, I began researching the effects of microwaved food. I found that the Soviet Union banned the use of microwaves in the 70s. I also found that microwaving can destroy up to 98% of the nutritional value of a food by turning it into nutritionally worthless mush filled with cancer causing carcinogens. I found research which suggests that eating microwaved food has been linked to lower red blood count levels as well as a whole host of other problems such as depression, anxiety, and anti-social behavior.
These days, I have barred my microwave in the cellar, and prepare my food the traditional way, which saves most of the nutritional value. I have found I am much more at ease and relaxed. Much of the tension on my face I never knew I had has dissipated, which has resulted in a more relaxed overall demeanor. I have found that I am much more positive about my outlook on life, and see beauty in places and especially in women that I have never seen before. Connecting, approaching and enjoying them now seems so much more fun and enjoyable. I found an increased ability to intuit women's emotions and feelings, and have become more attuned to body language and hence implied meanings behind tone, gestures and consistency between words and behavior.
Most importantly, though, I found that I am able to enjoy women more and they, seeing that, offer me more in return, faster and with greater ease ... hence my two same-day take homes recently, as well as several other hotties I have on the go.
I have been spending a fair bit of time in the Toronto Lair explaining to all the PUAs my theory called The Monkey Swing. The following is a graphically worded, no-holds-barred analysis of hot chicks, and although the language I choose is not my normal mode of communication, it is vital to understanding the theory and learning the lesson. Consider yourself duly warned.
The name is derived from the typical behavior of women who go from guy to guy throughout their life, taking little or no time off for reflection, personal growth, etc. It is said, “they swing from branch to branch never letting go of one branch before they have a firm grasp on the next.”
The purpose of this post is not to suggest a method for banging a new hot chick every weekend, but rather, how an average guy can get a stellar HB for a girlfriend in an LTR. The magic as you ultimately see is in the “duration and quality,” and with patience you will see this can work for everyone !
It is also hyper important to note that this relates to the HB selecting her next LTR ! Not a stud she pulls from a bar for a one night stand. This is very important, and her choice is made quite differently.
As well, the other point is that you will see the position you may obtain may not be that attractive to you in the long run. This is where the true gold lies in the theory. You can and will see how to perpetuate the quality and eject and replace if necessary when you can no longer maintain your hold or power over her. You will truly beat her at her own game, and could literally spend the rest of your life “swinging” from branch to branch with an HB10 on every one.
But it takes an element few of us are prepared for: time.
Another key point about this theory is that hot women can literally have their pick of just about any guy. If an HB10 walked into a room full of 100 guys and said, “I really need someone to fuck me right now,” than most if not all guys would readily agree. Further, if after she rocked your world, she turned out not to be psycho or defective and said, “Wow, what a great lay you are, can you fuck me twice a week for the next year ?” what do you think most guys would do ?
Exactly.
As well, I have seen many posts during my time in the community about “The Boyfriend Destroyer Pattern.” You will need to learn these routines for later use in the later stages of this strategy. I have used these techniques many times, and even when you don't leave with them or close them in any way, you always have a blast and laugh your ass off at the way she falls for the pattern and plays into it. I have never once had a chick see through the pattern and realize she was being played.
Buried in the pattern and her response is the key element which provides the power behind the monkey swing. Many people have explained why women say “I have a boyfriend,” and to some degree they are 100% accurate. She uses it to qualify, eliminate, and otherwise keep the men at bay. She is bombarded with attempts, PUs, offers, and suggestions every day. She has limitless choices of men and often enjoys the attention.
The real element in why she says she has a boyfriend isn't these reasons, but rather the “reason she has a boyfriend in the first place.” Based on my completely unscientific study of hotties and supremely fuckable women, I have found that most of them have two things in common. The first is they actually do have a boyfriend, and second they love male attention and all the ego boost they get from their attention whoring. The boyfriend is categorized by HJMB (He’s Just My Boyfriend).
So, in the final analysis, my theory is as follows ...
Most hot girls have a boyfriend for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the other cocks out of her pussy. How else can she protect the gold without some form of security ? The trade off is usually very simple. The boyfriend gets to fuck her and is usually (ultimately) treated like shit in the LTR. The “male friends” don't get to fuck her and are treated like gold. She flirts with them, talks nicely, jokes around, hangs out and does not stress them at all. They all think they're “gonna get to fuck her,” but they aren't because she already has a dick in her every night from her boyfriend. So you have one of two choices: get treated like shit and fuck her, or be treated like gold and jerk off !
I believe this is one of the key reasons for a question we all ask ourselves everyday as we walk down the street. “How the fuck did that dweeb get a chick like that ?” It's easy. She picked him to fuck (and control) and keep the dicks out of her while she flirts and attention whores her way through life. She needs both and will always have both as long as she is hot.
Continuing along this line of thought, then ... for a hot chick, or even for any chick who is kinda hot, her choice in selecting a guy is not how, if, when or why, but who. She can walk out her front door and in five minutes select a guy, and like I said earlier, say “Hey wanna fuck me for a year ?” and he will likely say “When do I start ?” LOL
Now how do these hot chicks “process” their boyfriends ?
Easy, they run them through a repeated and predictable pattern. For simplicity I break it down into three phases. These are the “hot and heavy,” “tried and true,” “complacent and contempt” phases.
Our male reactions to these phases are also highly predictable. I call these, in the same order: “died and went to heaven,” “fat and happy,” and “obsessive compulsive.” See the following graph which shows the three phases and her relative “interest level and commitment and quality of sex” to her current LTR.
[H & H] [T & T] [C & C]
[D in H] [F & H] [OCD]
(Great Sex) (Good Sex) (Bad Sex)
So what do these phases mean ?
The “Hot and Heavy” phase is the beginning part of the relationship, where everything is fresh and she basically “rocks your world.” She offers and demands hot sex from you, shows up at your work with just her coat on and fucks you on your desk, suggests you fly to Miami so you can both join the Mile High Club together, etc. We have all been there.
Those days and times we often look back upon with our LTR and think, “Why can’t the sex and everything else be like it was back in the beginning ?” This phase is impenetrable. She is just as immersed in you as you are in her, and even beginning to think you could break in is not realistic. She is madly in love-lust with the guy and vice versa. She isn't really even flirting or attention whoring at this time, because her senses are all taken up by her new boyfriend.
Sadly, you can not expect this to last forever, but the next phase can be equally enjoyable, less stressful and time consuming, and actually more rewarding.
This second phase is the “Tried and True” phase, and is the optimal zone, and ultimately I will talk about how to keep her in this zone as long as possible. This is when you are a “solid couple.” You have both actually gone back to going to work instead of calling in sick to fuck all day. You are enjoying each other’s company and time for much more than sex, and quite “at peace” with the fact that you have a really quality piece of ass on your arm who fucks you regularly and is fun to hang out with and entertain, vacation with, etc. She speaks positively about you and isn't thinking about replacing you ... yet ! This is where your work will begin.
However, this is when she begins to enjoy the flirtatious approaches of the men who hit on her everyday. She has found a “balance” where she can start enjoying the advances of other men and feels karmically pure because she “already has a dick in her.” These are just her “male friends” whom she “gets along with better than women” and yet will not entertain cheating with you. Of course, some rare seducers might break through her walls and seduce her for a ONS, but she is settled, happy, and content, and even proud of her solid boyfriend.
I can hear her saying now to most guys who try to work her … “OMG you are so funny. I love spending time with you. OMG look at the time ! My BF will be here to pick me up in a few minutes and take me home to fuck me like he does every night. You are so sweet. See you tomorrow.”
The final stage is a pure and total living fucking nightmare of epic proportions for most guys. It starts with that nagging feeling that something is “different.” She is just not the same anymore. You still like to bang her, but you can tell she is just not as into you anymore and at times is just “lying there” or “doing her part” because she is your “girlfriend.”
This is when most guys turn into an obsessive compulsive nightmare to them. You feel them slipping away and begin trying every trick in the book to get things back to your comfort zone you so cherished not that long ago. Nothing seems to work, and no matter how hard you try, she slips away. This is why most chicks can tell you about a guy they had to “get a restraining order on.”
Basically, the truth is that once she slips over the edge and into phase three, you are lost. The pain comes from how long it takes you to realize it, or for her to finally dump your sorry sniveling ass.
So back to the “Monkey Swing Theory.” This is how you can get yourself an HB. It is quite simple. You simply find an HB in a situation where you can see her repetitively for an extended period of time and never make one AFC mistake during this phase. HBs simply pick the next guy for LTR in line who isn't a total flaming dickhead loser AFC and has worked to create some mystery, attraction, etc. I have done this three times successfully and I know it works.
HBs do not go to a bar to find their next LTR. They pick a guy they (think they) can control who is attractive, and who has given them repeated positive experiences throughout her LTR with another guy.
If you time it right, you can start just before she enters the downward slope so you don't waste too much valuable time. If you wait until the “Complacency and Contempt” phase is in full swing, I assure you someone else already has the next spot in line sewn up and doesn't even know it. I realize after all the background provided this sounds somewhat “anti-climactic,” however it is reality. Like I said I have proven it three times with very hot women, one who was 17 years younger than me, and it lasted several years. The only part I regret is not understanding this theory then and ejecting at the top of the slope, instead of finding I can be as obsessive-compulsive as every other man out there and dragging it on for far too long.
This is the phase where she is "hanging onto the current branch" while she "picks and then grasps the next one." This is your golden opportunity if you have laid the groundwork. The beauty is you can be constantly doing this in preparation for your gf’s monkey swing and you get to swing at the same time onto a new branch and with luck having little or no down time to get all depressed and feel like a loser because she is fucking some new dweeb from work !
So let’s break it down into a real world example. I am going to use the hot bartender at your local pub.
Step One: Find a girl in a place where you can see her repeatedly. Preferably 2-3 times per week and where you can realistically engage her in direct and private conversation even if not uninterrupted. I have literally scoured every pub in my town for venues with hot bartenders who are usually working during hours that are not really busy. I actually hit pay dirt, and the pub within walking distance of my home has 4 hot bartenders. All of them have boyfriends who pick them up every night. They are usually available in the 5-8 PM region when it is usually not very busy, and they are keen to engage me in conversation between rounds for the few other customers. I now go there 2-3 times per week for one drink and maybe a burger or something, and they all now know me by name. They all treat me respectfully and I never do anything to lose that respect from any of them. This is not a sarging venue but a monkey swing joint !
Step Two: Talk to them ! About anything and everything.
Step Three: Determine which phase they are in with their current boyfriend. You can do this easily by watching her reaction when he picks her up, or when she references him in conversation. If she is in the hot and heavy phase I suggest you chat with a different bartender or change bars altogether if she starts monopolizing your time. If she is not in Hot and Heavy then proceed to Step Four.
Step Four: Get to know her better and better, and begin the Boyfriend Destroyer routines on her. You must never ever ever tell her she is hot, that you like her, care about her, excessively tip her, kiss up to her, supplicate, or anything. Treat her like the bartender that she is and let her reward be quality conversation and humorous and positive experiences with you every time she sees you. In time, she will begin to crave your time together. The conversation will become easier, and she will start to tell you more and more and more about herself. You will begin to see if she is just starting the “tried and true” phase i.e. the first few months, or well into say 1 year’s worth, or getting close to the brink of disaster for him ! As time wears on, she will begin going home and day dreaming about that incredible guy who makes her feel so good at the bar a few times per week, wondering where you are when you don't come in and being elated when you do.
Step Five: Wait for the brink ! It always comes. Remember, you should also be visiting other girls in other venues. The dry cleaner once per week. The variety store, Blockbuster, the office down the hall, etc. Scour the world for places you can see them over and over. That is the key. When she hits the brink you will know it. She will start dissing her BF to you every time you see her. This is when you massively lay on the boyfriend destroyer patterns but do not indicate you want her in any way. She will smell that a mile away. As you prop him up, she will knock him down. What she is doing is psyching herself up to dump him and figuring out who her next BF will be. That BF is almost always the guy she has spent the most time with over the last two phases and the one who didn't commit any AFC or loser moves during the process.
Step Six: Close. Eventually, you will see she is now at her limit. She is pushing him away and he is obsessing about her and making it worse. She will constantly be referring to getting rid of him. All this time you have never ever once told her she is hot, you like her, want her, or whatever. She only wonders and guesses how you feel but she does not know ! When the moment is ripe you motion “come here” and whisper the following to her. “Bar girl, tomorrow is honesty day.” And then you walk out. Make sure you have already paid your bill. Don't allow her to re-engage you. Make sure you can turn around and walk out. Don't look back. And don't come back tomorrow. Come back the next day, or her next shift. I guaran-fucking-tee you that she will be completely and utterly obsessed with what the hell you meant by that. “Does he think I am a bitch,” “Does he like me,” “Did I offend him ?” She will think of little else other than what you are going to be “honest” about because she doesn't know how you feel. When you don't show up at her next shift she will go completely non-linear. OMG he hates me, what did I do, blah blah blah. Time your next visit so you can get her out from behind the bar when you are finally gonna tell her. She will jump on your ass and demand to know where you were, and tell her you had to work overtime or whatever. You have to plan it so you can say “You really wanna know ? Well step outside (or back there or wherever) so I can tell you.”
Get her outside, look at the effect on her face all this has had and when she says “Alright, I haven't slept in two days what is it, tell me ?” You move in real close to her and prepare for the final move and say “I am crazy about you ...” and then try to kiss her. She will fucking melt in your arms and say “OMG me too !” You'll be fucking her or seriously making out with her that night, and when it's done you tell her. “It's time to go home and dump your BF if you want to see me again. We should have waited and I feel bad but I cannot do this again until you have come clean with him.” Hand her your address and tell her to drop by once it's done and leave her there to ponder it all.
That, my friends, is the Monkey Swing. You can visit 5 different girls every week and always find a girl in the right spot. By practicing non-AFC techniques once you get her, you can make things last as long as you want (in phase one or two only) where she is capable of making you feel good and true joy. When the joy stops, get your ass outta there. Remember guys, it's not about the sex with her, it's about the joy.
On Comford Building, Honesty, and Vulnerability
Here’s something I do really well in my game I think that some of you might benefit from this.
I find it amazing that we didn't have true comfort building a year ago. It’s like the whole premise was to go sexual way too soon. I've always done comfort building naturally. Once I had enough rapport, I would drop “game” and just comfort build for a little while (1 to 4 hours) before re-initiating game for closing.
The basic elements of my comfort building style are fairly straightforward. They involve two basic elements: Honesty and Vulnerability.
When I say this, I don't mean a puppy dog routine; these come off as cute.
I mean it’s a conversation that:
1- I don't volunteer to just anyone. (This involves a set-up like, “I don't even know why I am telling you this …”)
2- Is true (honest) about a deep character element that I possess.
3- Shows her a facet of your character that you keep hidden (unexposed) … this typically revolves around you showing some type of high-level vulnerability.
4- Tells her how you feel about the element in question.
5- Is a temporary frame / energy.
Point #5 is especially important. Comfort building is best done using a phased approach. When I've tested comfort building material, I've sometimes put myself in a position where I over-do comfort building and get slotted into the “sensitive & sweet” category. The only times where this has happened are when I have basically stacked comfort building material without going back to my natural player-ish style from time to time.
So ultimately, you want to reveal something deep about yourself, which comes at an unexpected time, taking her out of the “pickup-hard-to-get” element you are running the bulk of your game with. It makes her go “wow” after you've said it, and leaves her thinking “That was deep … there is more there … I want to know …”
If you look at Mystery’s comfort building routines, they actually show one hell of a lot more than just vulnerability … like he’s doing his dirty laundry by telling her his “wife” left, etc … it’s much more straightforward, but does not work for me personally. But it communicates something he typically would not be telling anyone else.
Additionally, I am not sure that the “misery” stories are the way to go for comfort building, even in phases. It’s not a natural conversation thread for me …
Myth of the Magic Pill
I went to brunch with Cliff last Saturday. We started talking about a whole bunch of things, amongst them the fact that there was a guy in the community that really wanted to meet with me and talk for an hour or so. Mainly about where he was in the game, what he could do to improve, etc. …
I accepted, because I eventually found out who the dude was ... he’s a guy that I already knew. Genuinely a nice guy. IMO, he will make some woman a really good husband one day.
So we start talking, and his issue is obvious. He just isn't good socially. He’s like many people I've met in “the community” who just aren't comfortable with themselves, to the point of it ruining all aspects of their lives. He’s the one that doesn't talk when he’s in a group of friends; the guy that goes out with the expectation to PU and just locks up and can't do it; the guy who is seriously considering starting to approach men before women because they seem “less intimidating.” He’s the guy that is sitting alone at the bar, with a look of regret at the end of the night because he did not PU. And because he didn't PU, the feeling of regret and shame and inadequacy only grows stronger within him. You get the idea. It’s a vicious circle for him. No way out.
I am sitting in my living room with him; he’s looking at me like I am the answer to all his prayers. He’s hit rock bottom and he’s been stuck there for quite some time.
He starts asking about how I got out of the rut. How he can become social. How he can change himself to become good at PU. What he can say to women. What he can work on or read that will make him better. I answer all of these questions … one by one … and at the end of our little chat, he says: “Wow … that’s a lot of work … I knew all of this … and that’s a lot of work …”
Like so many out there, he’s looking for the magic pill in PU … the one line / story / frame / pattern / DHV that will completely change him and take him from zero to hero in a second. He’s making excuses as to why he won't be able to go out and get good, even before trying anything. He assumes that he will never make it; hence he doesn't even try. “Just give me the magic pill man … give me the fucking pill …”
He does not believe he can change. He wants to stay exactly as he is right now and have women drop to their knees in BJ-ready position.
There’s a million things this guy would need to change in order to become solid at PU. However, the main elements are:
Social Competence and Skill: The ability to talk to anyone and make the interaction a positive one, without giving out that “weird” vibe. Too often, the guys that start off in this field look at everything as “sets.” Two guys are a set. Two girls are a set. Their parents become a set that can be played. I've noticed that getting better at PU does not consistently help your social skills. Rather, it’s the opposite. Improving your social skills in general will help you become better at PU. Some guys should really consider going out and hitting up a sports bar or local hangout and just get into conversations with anyone.
Sense of Self-Worth and Confidence: To know that you have something to offer. This guy described himself to me as a money dude, but I could tell he did not believe it. There was no undertone of vanity in his voice when he was saying it. It was like he was searching for things to say in order to look good. Qualifying himself.
Situational Comfort: Feeling comfortable. This is key. I remember when I was starting to PU, I was completely comfortable being the “quiet guy,” and definitely uncomfortable in set. It took a lot of sets before I became comfortable in a group situation. Obviously, your comfort level increases as you do more and more sets ... this breeds confidence, and the comfort element shifts from being comfortable on your own to being comfortable in any social situation, eliminating the “weird” vibe that surrounds your initial interactions. The other thing about this element is that you need to be willing to push yourself into situations where you are uncomfortable and where mistakes will be made.
Solid Learning Model: It’s amazing that most people are trying to learn PU, but they don't have a good learning model internalized. They'll go out, fail, beat themselves up over it, and go make the same mistake again. Learning how to learn properly is hard to do, but it’s proven. Hypothesis, Experiment, Results Analysis, Conclusion (Re-Work, Fail or Pass).
Balls to the Wall Attitude: This is what it comes down to. You need to have the balls to go out and push yourself into uncomfortable situations situations where you don't feel like you have complete control, and learn how to gain that control. Don't be the guy sitting on your ass thinking about how you could get “that girl” (who typically ends up leaving because you waited too long) … get into set, open, deal with the set then. It’s uncomfortable, yes, at first, but all good skill comes from iterative practice.
The biggest lesson I got from this meeting yesterday is that there are too many people out there reading and not enough applying. This is weird, considering that all of the best preach about being out in the field.
Bottom line: If you’re spending most of your time thinking about what you should be doing and not enough time doing it, you have a problem.
There is no magic pill, no magic line, no full-proof pattern. There’s just you, her, and the risk you take going to get her. And to get there, it takes some serious fucking effort to mitigate that risk. Period.
What I have been noticing is that, through the power of methods indicated on Cliff's List and by the use of SS, that it tends to fry or blow most women away mentally. In my case, I have had women say that they need a break from me, and the words that come to mind are, “It's messing with my head.”
Therefore, have any of the others on the list had this similar effect, and could you indicate what your sense of it is ?
Thought I would share some good news. Last Saturday, my 31st birthday, I celebrated by attending my very first orgy. What a new perspective.
Since joining this community in 2001, one of my goals has always been to infiltrate and attend orgies. I have tried meeting people for orgies over the net, but I am turned down as I am not very good looking. (I am very overweight). I thought about going to a swing club, but it is very expensive, and I cannot afford it as regularly as I would like. My only option was to use my seduction skills to befriend people that host and attend private orgies.
I did this by using patten language with some orgy hosts that I met. Got to know them, and let them know me in a way that I presented myself as someone they would want to share with.
In order to protect my identity, and those I have sex with, certain information here is omitted. All I will say is that I had to put in three years of work on myself to get to a point where I would know what parts of myself I should present first, and in a way that is best to get me to the point where I could meet the type of people that I want to associate with regularly.
I finally got invited to an orgy using pattern language with the hosts, and letting it be their idea to invite me. Did not sleep the night before ... too nervous ... but finally the next morning came, and then the next night came.
I go to the secret location, hung out for a few hours and talked to a number of people. Not focusing on the sex at this point. Just telling interesting stories with pattern language that indicates that I am an adventure they should take full advantage of.
Finally: the orgy began. Having never been to one, I sat back and just watched the action at first. Finally, one of the girls I sarged earlier in the night with my pattern routines approached me with another guy. She sat next to me while he made out with her. Decided to go for it. I put my hand on her leg and gently rubbed it. (An orgy way of saying, “Can I join in ?”) No negative response, so I rubbed her back, neck, and tits (under her blouse), and started to go for her pussy.
Then this big woman sees what is going on, and says, “Oh, I want a piece of that !” She proceeds to jump into my lap. So now I am making out with two women, one arm for each woman's tits. Large girl leaves, and I continue on first chick (who was quite cute, I must say). Finally, she tells the other guy to stop, and proceeds to finger herself until she comes (allowing me to continue to massage her).
She gets up and walks away. Second girl sits next to me, and I start to rub her back too, and she tells me it's OK, but that I am not allowed to do more with her. I say ok, and continue to massage her. We end up cuddling, and I kiss the back of her neck.
Later that night, I see first chick again blowing some guy. I go sit next to her, and this time, she lets me finger her, while she is blowing this other guy until he comes in her face.
From the beginning of the evening, there was this really alternative chick who noticed me. We talked a bit, and based on her attire I asked if she was into BDSM. She is. I told her “Me too,” and that we should talk that night, then made a quick exit. That night I saw this girl blow and fuck at least 6 different guys, coming loudly. Every time our paths crossed, something would grab one of our attentions away from the other. That's cool. No neediness here.
Finally, within the last hour, after I fingered first chick, alternative girl comes up to me. We start to hug and explore each other, but some guy came from behind her, so she turned around and starting making out with him. I kept rubbing her back and legs, and was proceeding to also finger her her, but that same big chick from before came in and the three of them starting fucking on the mat in front of me. Nice show. One of the things I learned in the community is the importance of not being needy. This is super important in an orgy setting.
If I had taken my clothes off, and joined in, it would have been a foursome, but I was still too intimidated to go for it. Damn me.
End of the night, Alternative chick comes back and this time she sits, introduces herself, and we proceed to talk and cuddle. I give her a massage, and pull her hair (very SM like). Finally she just grabs my arms and wraps them around her (I am behind her) putting them on her tits. I pull away from her tits, and continue to tighten my grip in the embrace. (With SM chicks, never let them lead. If she wants you to do X, do Y.) As I saw it, there was chemistry between us from the beginning, but I think since I am new, and most of the participants there already knew each other, I was being tested. Can I handle jealousy issues ? Being left alone ? Etc ...).
Guys, I passed with flying colors. Alternative chick runs away this time, and when she comes back, I am standing and she just comes up to plant a deep kiss on me. At this point, I am so in state, that I don't even think about it, I take over the kiss, grab her hair, and stroke her close to me with my free hand. We are so into it, she wraps her leg around my waist trying to rub her crotch on to me. I told her that I was going to be back next time, and that if she met me here I would do something special with her.
So the clothes stayed on, and I didn't penetrate with my dick. But I don't care. Being in that atmosphere has really changed the way I see sex. It is important, but not that important. And getting a threesome is a fine thing, but after you've been to an orgy, a threesome isn't the lofty goal for me it once was. In fact, as long as I continue to hang in these circles, threesomes and orgys will be mine for the taking.
BTW, guys, this is not an isolated incident. This has been the lastest progression for me in my path. From 300+ lb., lonely, sexless for 5 years, to 255 lbs., a harem, and after 30 years finally getting into an orgy and not going out of pocket for it.
The Story of Brother Kermit continues.
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