2004/04/22

Just remember it's your train -- she just gets to ride on it.

Is Ross Jeffries really the only guru teaching proper inner game ?

Index To This Edition of Cliff's List
- Qaexl: In Response to Ross
- Carlos Xuma: In Response to Ross
- Mark B.: 48 Laws of Power Review
- Totty: Impact Interaction Basejump Workshop Review
- Totem: Impact Interaction Basejump Workshop Review
- Air: In Response to Goodley
- Goodley: In Response to Air

Qaexl:
(In response to Ross: “Carlos, you are right. Want to get even righter ? The way a guy moves is even more important. If you can flow with strength when you walk, women love it. I once had a woman tell me that she noticed me walking from over 100 feet away on the beach and she said from that alone she was hoping I'd talk to her. She said I strut like some rock star whose name escapes me.

“I'll get even righter: Learn to control the subtle energy flowing in your body and conduct it through your hands. You can turn a simple hand touch or thumb touching into an incredible bridge of sexual energy. This requires some meditation and breathing exercises. Maybe I'll do a video on this. Anyone interested ? I could call it, 'Secrets of Electrifying Sexual Touch: How To Get Women Wet, Hot And Ready Through A Simple Touch Of The Fingers, Thumb And Hand...in 3 Minutes Or Less.'

“Here's the subtle point; if a guy has habitually responded this way, it takes a special clarity and discipline to catch this old needy behavior before it arises. No one here is teaching that mental discipline. And it's a Catch-22; the more times you've caught a mistake before it arises, the easier it becomes. To disidentify from deeply ingrained behavior, see it before it arises and then choose something different is a tough yoga to do. It requires more than just telling people they should do it. Right now, I think I'm the only one in this community teaching how to develop this self-awareness and corrective discipline. It's a core part of 'inner game.' Carlos, I must challenge you: what specific mental practices and methods do you give your customers / clients / students to learn to spot errors before they arise, especially if they are deeply ingrained ?”)

Several years ago, I posted two articles on this list. One was about energy work. The other was about power, and I encoded ideas in there about the “subtle energy.” I went so far as posting links to the basics, freely available on-line. (Kriya yoga only touches on the tip of the iceberg; there's lots of other stuff available, though surviving some of those is like asking for a hurricane to put out the fire burning your house down). I also know then that if I went back and looked at what I have written, I'd laugh at my own presumptuousness.

I don't regret writing what I have written in the least, yet I also know it's a dead end. Power has always been about “the way of living well under all circumstances.”

Let's see if any of this story is familiar to (all of) you.

Testosterone hits. Your body starts changing. You find yourself noticing breasts and legs. You spend 90% of your available brain power pursuing activities relating to sex. If it isn't about wondering what you should say, how you should act, whether she “likes” you, and what you want to do to her in bed, then it is about how being on the football team will make you more muscular and attractive and lets you show off (so you can have sex), how beating that guy up would let you show off (so you can have sex), how getting that job so you can make lots of money so you can buy that car would let you show off (so you can have sex), how winning an argument and making someone back down would let you show off (so you can have sex), ad nauseam.

In the weirdness community, this is sometimes described as “testosterone poisoning.” Amping up the natural bio energetic would naturally amplify it's effects.

Unless you have taken care of this through the various forms of “inner work,” underlying all of these behaviors is this hollow sensation right there in your chest. The girl does something and you take it personally. Wham, right there in the chest. She starts leaving and it feels like a big hole right there. She pulls away, she becomes distant, she becomes disinterested, and you get a bigger and bigger hole. You don't know how to fill it up, so you want her attention.

Maybe you start buying more gifts. Maybe you cling. Maybe you act all pissed off. Maybe you go and beat someone up (verbally, or physically). Maybe you go on-line and swagger around on IRC ... or frantically read Cliff's archived newsletters.

Or maybe you get depressed.

Not every guy wants to have sex with as many women as they can. Instead, I am addressing that hollowness that seems to come naturally with being in a male body and having that 'Y' chromosome. In fact, it is in dealing with this that allows you to do what you want to do, including being a sex stud. If that's really your thing in life.

Learning how to increase blood in your palm is trivial. Learning how to project energy through your palms with touch is also trivial. Information gets carried through energy, otherwise this information is odorless, tasteless, weightless, and substanceless. My intent, my message, my communication, my information gets pulled from somewhere and manifests in the form of electrical impulses that leads to my fingers typing on my laptop. It gets transmitted in 1s and 0s through the Internet to come to your computer, and transforms into light on the monitor. You see this light energy and somehow, it becomes useful information to you. You read my words, you understand what I am saying. Therefore, I am a producer of information, of intent, and you are the consumer.

If my intent is not clear, that too will also get carried through. You can learn how to project your intent through touch in 3 minutes. However, if you still have that neediness, then that will also gets carried through. Besides. Women being many times more naturally sensitive to the subtler energies can pick up what you are doing much easier than you can. What's harder for men is becoming more aware.

Furthermore, if you don't know how to generate and renew this energy, you can exhaust yourself pushing it out of your palm. It has to come out from somewhere, and it will come out of your internal organs. Translation: there's a good chance you can get sick.

Now, at this point if you want to go and purchase a fix, there are many vendors out there. You can skip the rest of this post. For those who are disgusted, afraid, or don't really care about the weird stuff, skip the rest of this post. You have been warned.

I understand that Cliff cannot put URLs on the email postings, so I'm writing out the instruction to find that link I posted here a couple years ago. The site is written by Robert Bruce. You can find his site through a Google search of “astral dynamics” or “new energy ways” and “Robert Bruce.” It is in the section of his website labeled “training guides.” The text is nearly the verbatim extract from his Astral Dynamics book published some years ago, minus the pictures and diagrams. It is a good start if you're new to the weird stuff, and it does take practice. Unless you've had prior experience in this (or other stuff like, say, EFT or qigong) or you have some mad talents, then this last part won't make sense. There's more than enough material on that site to learn how to sense, generate, balance and change energy. Those are just the basics. You might as well save this message and come back to it later.

For the rest of you: Robert Bruce describes three “storage centers.” He was naming what in Chinese internal alchemy as “dantien,” which can be translated to as the “field from which the medicine grows.” He warns the seeker not to mess with the middle and upper ones; the middle one is also called the “heart center” or “heart chakra” (to use the Sanskrit term) and the upper one has also been described as the “third eye.” According to Robert Bruce, storing energy in those without a solid foundation in the lower dantien leads to emotional and mental instabilities. (At the very least, you become a freak magnet).

The instructions given below are meant to balance the lower and middle “storage center” by use of the third eye in order to regenerate both the sexual / creative energy and the virtue of compassion. While you the readers are likely more interested in the former, it is the latter that lets you “live well under all circumstances,” i.e. moderate the influence of testosterone poisoning.

“Jing” is the Chinese term for sperm, but in the alchemical texts, it refers to the sexual energy. This is the stuff that, when the male and the female jing combines, sparks a new life. It's powerful stuff. It's the same stuff that builds up muscles, which is why excessive exercise burns up your libido. (Whacking someone relieves the tension just as well as whacking off). It can also be transformed into the stuff needed by the middle “storage center.”

What's in the that middle “storage center” is something called “heartfire.” It feels very hot and expansive. Excessive amounts lead to impatience and panic. Bet you felt this one when you were waiting for Her to call back and wondering why she isn't picking the phone up, right ?

First, imagine yourself looking down towards your feet. Now, while you are looking down, move the muscles surrounding your eyes so you feel your eyes smiling. If you don't start actually feeling like you are smiling or happy, then go rent some comedy videos and watch them until you can laugh again. This is what is referred to as “smiling down.” So smile down to your feet.

Second, smile to that heart center. It should be located roughly between the nipples on the inside of your chest. If you still can't find it, remember the last time a girl stood you up (or remember your lack of girls) and you'll find it pretty fast. Chances are that it will feel very hollow and empty. (If it isn't, then go to the next part of having too much heartfire.) Smile down there. This smile is inexhaustible.

Third, to help speed things along, bring the jing up to that middle section (very slowly and carefully) so that that smile can change it. You do this with the tactile image described by Robert Bruce's writings (you have read that, right ?). Imagine the feeling of cold and stick that in your balls and allow that to flow upwards into the heart center. As it comes up, it should start changing as you are smiling down.

Jing will feel cold as long as you're not sitting here on the computer looking at porn while you're reading this and beating off. If you are don't even bother trying right now. Wait until you get a morning erection again to try again.

Eventually, the heart center should start filling up. What happens if you have too much there? You sink it with the smile back down to where you find the jing. You smile downwards, this time, letting the smile carry the heartfire downwards to the jing. It should start warming up the jing. If you find yourself getting too aroused, then bring it right back up to the heart center again.

Repeat.

This is like bathing. It's simply a discipline you keep on doing so you remain healthy and balanced. You will naturally have women start coming up to talk to you and it shouldn't be a big deal. (And if you feel too impatient just hearing that, you got more practice to do).

Then you can do whatever it is you do on the 'outer game', if that is really what you want.

Good luck, and Namaste.

(In response to Ross: “Here's the subtle point; if a guy has habitually responded this way, it takes a special clarity and discipline to catch this old needy behavior before it arises. No one here is teaching that mental discipline. And it's a Catch-22; the more times you've caught a mistake before it arises, the easier it becomes. To disidentify from deeply ingrained behavior, see it before it arises and then choose something different is a tough yoga to do. It requires more than just telling people they should do it. Right now, I think I'm the only one in this community teaching how to develop this self-awareness and corrective discipline. It's a core part of 'inner game.' Carlos, I must challenge you: what specific mental practices and methods do you give your customers / clients / students to learn to spot errors before they arise, especially if they are deeply ingrained ?”)

Gee, thanks, Ross. It's bad enough that I challenge myself to ridiculous standards. (Smile.) You hit on something that I have been reviewing in the last few months that I'm seeking to address in my programs and coaching. I've studied most every form of “massive change” program out there (including a lot of minor ones), and I've found most come up short in the “make it real” qualifier.

You're not the only one working on this frame of action. I'm in the process of providing simple holistic behavioral exercises for men to start utilizing in my audio coaching. I'll state right now, though, that I try to avoid what I call “hyper-attentiveness” which can often sabotage most men's game when they become too alert to their actions. Being over-attentive to “what am I doing right / what am I doing wrong” leads them to too much second-guessing rather than getting in there and not being afraid to make a mess and see what comes of it. Too many “systems” get muddled in the minutiae of the process.

De-fusing and losing that initial fear and self-consciousness is a real priority, then understanding the deeply ingrained neuro-associations (and even physical neuron pathways that get built from our thinking patterns) and how they work.

Definitely a hot topic on my agenda, and I thank you for bringing it up.

Mark B.:
I have recently read The 48 Laws of Power by the same author who brought us “The Art of Seduction.” The book is divided into 48 chapters, one for each law, and it offers examples of observance and transgression of the law as well as instruction on how to implement it into our lives. The interesting part of the book is that it uses historical figures such as kings, queens, con men, great leaders, business people and others, and describes in vivid detail how they either succeeded in using each particular law or failed from failure to observe it. One of the interesting aspects of the book is that many of the principles we can easily apply to success with women. One of the ones being not revealing one’s intent, acting indifferent, and not saying too much about ourselves among others. I highly recommend picking it up.

Totty:
Since September last year I have been attending various seminars and workshops, have sarged with many like minded guys in London and have spent hours trawling through the endless archives on the known seduction websites. But for all the time and money I have put into bettering this area of my life, I feel that I have not improved as much as I should have done. I think that this has been largely due to the lack of structure in my learning. I was just becoming more and more confused by guys who probably know better than myself for all I know, telling me that their way was “the right way.”

Then last weekend I went on the new Impact Interaction Basejump workshop. The ideas that these experienced guys presented were not new to me, but the way that I now view them is. It was like seeing an aerial view of all the basic elements of PULook up this term neatly coming together. Probably what helped me the most is how they carefully explain exactly how each part works and where it fits into the overall picture, all with the aide of Powerpoint notes, charts and graphs to help visualize the ideas.

The in-field part of the workshop involves both street and club learning. This is mainly about opening techniques and early game but with the instructor to student ratio pretty much one-on-one, a more advanced student has the opportunity to experiment further. After both street and club sessions, there is a debriefing of each student's game with instructions on how he can improve.

Another positive is that these guys are open to all ideas. Although it is clear that their individual styles do lean a certain way, they do not enforce these upon their students, but instead openly talk about other top guys and discuss the pros and cons of developing their styles. This is very unlike a previous workshop I had attended where I felt that the guy was trying to teach me solely his own attitude / style, which is very direct and dismissed all other ideas. So seeing the Impact Interaction guys discussing all styles from a neutral and experienced standpoint was refreshing.

I feel that the main purpose of their workshop is not to try and teach a specific style of picking up girls, but instead to make you aware of the basic structure of interactions and encourage you to develop your own openers, games and stories. To create your own style, and to focus on congruency. They also run a seminar specifically for congruency.

This workshop is highly recommended to guys that are completely new to these ideas and to those, like myself, who feel they are lacking direction and would like a simple plan to work from.

Totem:
I just took the Impact Interaction workshop on the weekend with Angel, Ryobi and Lockst0ck. This is at intermediate level.

Thanks for all the work you guys put in. I thought you were brilliant and it has made a big impact on my game speeding up my expertise.

Although the workshop is focused specifically on PULook up this term, I get the bigger picture now as ultimately it is about lifestyle and personal development; not just about pickup lines and tactics but about being congruent.

General setLook up this term up was good. It was a balanced mix of theory and practical and feedback. The trainers were very good. Angel led really well, presenting the material effectively, embellishing the material with personal experiences, and making things realistic and attainable in an entertaining, lively, and informative way. They tailor-make their courses to where your game is, which is a massive plus.

Lockst0ck 's feedback was very good, and again he is a good trainer.

Ryobi, I didn't train with him one on one, but in general he is very quick witted and is a superb storyteller.

Together all three make a good team and bring different strengths to the workshop which other competitors lack.

Field demonstrations by instructors and shit test interaction was very illuminating. Also, feedback was highly beneficial on the spot, and also in the seminar where solutions could be explained in greater detail. Trainers' own SP's and how they deal with them was helpful and made it more realistic.

Whatever level you are at, I highly recommend these guys. They know their stuff, and what is equally important, they can actually teach you effectively unlike some other workshops I've been on.

Why waste months / years doing trial and error in the field ? (That is if you even get into the field ... not just sargingLook up this term your social circle, etc. ?! To all you keyboard jockeys out there, you know what I'm talking about) when you can be taught proper tight game.

They are London based and bring their own unique style to PULook up this term. Check them out only if you're serious about improving your game.

Air:
(In response to Goodley):

Read your post, and found it very interesting. Particularly, I wanted to ask you some questions about the sophisticated women that you seem to be surrounded by due to your line of work. It seems that these are the very type of girls that I feel I deserve because of the person I am, or feel like I have the potential to be, yet instead, these are the very girls that I place so high above me. I'd like a paradigm shift, a viewpoint change, a new perspective on these girls, where I could bring them back down to earth and stop acting like they are Goddesses.

Goodley:
(In response to Air):

Well, this is the first type of email I received like this. Living in Los Angeles, I have had an opportunity to hang with Ross, Tyler and Papa, and some of the best. I can honestly say none of them are any better than I am. I have never been to a paid event in this field, although I have taken some NLPLook up this term training. I have literally and figuratively traveled from Buenos Aires to Bangkok (interesting name).

I will give you the straight scoop. Yes, for someone who has his act together meeting women who are 7's or 8's is not difficult.

When you want to get to the 9's and 10's, it's not as easy. Now I have a friend who has been involved in this community believe it or not for over a decade. He has been to many of Ross's seminars from the very beginning. I've also been out with his proclaimed best student and students. Again, none of them were any better than me. Many people in this community say I'm a natural and the best they've ever seen. I have never posted to a site of this kind.

Anyway here goes re your questions:

No one is better than you.

Goodley Rule 1: Anyone whom you think has their shit together or doesn't have some type of problem hang up, etc. is just better at hiding it, and you just don't know them well enough yet to see it. Basically we are all a little screwy.

Really, as you have experience with a woman and if you are dating a 10 for awhile and you're intimate with her, she becomes all too human.

Rule 2: Show me a beautiful woman and I'll show you a guy sick of fucking her.

Imagine her taking a dump, picking her nose, etc. You can imagine the rest and you will put her in perspective.

If you think people are better than you, then work on your inner game, therapy, self help books, seminars, meditate, workout, etc.

Learn the art of seduction with others, participate in discussions, make friends, get exclusive content. It's free ! Why wait for your life to get better ? Join the Cliff's List Community now !

Be the best you can be in the SSLook up this term world today.

It's all inner game. One of my good friends told me Ross told him forget about all this PUALook up this term stuff, etc. and just work on yourself. Otherwise it's not going to work.

Here is another Goodley no really life Rule: Get a life, and a good one.

You have a cool train, it's going somewhere. Women like a man with a plan. Remember it's your train. You're the conductor, and if she wants to get on board with your program, great.

Just remember it's you're train - she just gets to ride on it.

I think my style is a Zen Style. Yes, the Zen Goodley method.

Do everything to get your entire life together, i.e. inner game. Be so damn happy you are glowing from the inside, you are radiating. When you're in that state you are one with the universe, my son. Then you have no problem walking up to anyone or thinking what to say.

You are in the moment, the Zen Goodley moment, you have no fear, no worry, you know what to say. It will just come to you. At least it does to me.

I honestly go out to have fun, laugh, and I meditate and hope that I can leave the people I meet that evening happier than if they didn't meet me. I get in a happy state and the most imaginative things to say and do come into my mind. Everyone says I'm really spontaneous, playful, etc.

You're on the right track: you said you deserve them. That's really cool.

Just keep believing that more and more each day. Think of yourself as the King of the Jungle. Walk with pride. You are the King and, yes, beautiful women, I want you.

Yes, hear my roar, I want you. Yes, I'm nervous and yes, maybe I mistakenly sometimes think you are better than me, but I'm the King, the f...ing King. So what if I'm nervous or think you're better ? It's just my silly mind saying these lies ...

I'm the King, The Best of the Best, the Alpha Male, the strongest lion in the Jungle.

I may be mistaken that you're a Goddess, but I am King. Hear me roar and submit !

Zen Goodley

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