Start at the bottom, lick to the top

Update on The David Seminar: Among the topics David will discuss and present his views on will be: - Confidence - How to really get back your ex or to attract that one special girl - How to pick up strippers - How to create, manage and keep a "stable" of women simultaneously - How to have threesomes and multiples - How to overcome resistance when you are about to close the deal - How he uses language (he has many unique ideas that you won't learn through NLP or anywhere else) - The importance of setting your rules and sticking to them - How honesty, trust and respect are your golden keys (this is the reframe to beat all reframes) and much more. David will also spend time giving his ideas about how to solve your individual issues. This seminar will be held in Montreal on November 16-18, 2001. Cost is $500 U.S. with a $200 U.S. deposit to hold your place (seating is limited and a sell out is expected). For additional information, email me.

Free Personal Ads: As I do once in awhile, here are a list of personals sites where you can answer ads for free. For some reason it hasn't been clear to some of you when I have done this in the past -- these are not just sites where you can place an ad free, browse for free, etc. but here it is free to REPLY to ads. Some of these are really only going to apply to local Montreal people, but I don't have the time at the moment to sort them all out.

pages.infinit.net/denlap/(French only) www.amities.com/ www.geocities.com/Paris/Pavilion/5568/ rencontre.legratuit.com/ www.2SinglePeople.com/ www.meetaperson.net/ www.singlescanada.ca/ musicm.mcgill.ca/netads/personals.html www.matchdoctor.com/default.asp webcenter.love.aol.com/LoveMain/?partner=AOW www.cyberdating.ca/ www.angelfire.com/pq/confidence/ www.rencontre.qc.ca/ cme.vif.com/rencontre.htm www.reseaucontact.com/ personals.excite.com/ altmtl.ca/personals.html www.4fairies.com/default.asp dejavu.ca/ www.fartelecom.com/singlesunion/ quebec.pbull.com/ classifieds.excite.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C180+R6467436 www.u4ia.org/ www.topbachelorettes.com/ www.singlesunion.com/

Here are two sites that I find pretty addictive. You can reply to some of the people who's photos appear here if they have it set so that you can do so. If you pick someone and they accept your selection on the first one, then you have to pay to send a note with your email address. The second one, if you just register and the person who's photo appears has set her settings to receive emails, you can send a free email to the person who's ad you voted on. www.hotornot.com/ (This site gave me a huge ego boost this week. You put your photo on it and people rate you from 1-10. 241 people have rated me an average of a 9.3, hotter than 92% of the men on the site!) www.rankaperson.com

Hey, how about someone go to this site, check out all the related email news letters and stuff and let us know which ones are worthwhile? directory.google.com/Top/Society/Relationships/Advice/

Cramias sent me info on two sites, one of which was www.sexualkey.com and the other site was www.thesingleman.com/cgi-bin/comcart20/redeem.pl?aff=coms102 Both of these sound interesting and if someone gets their products, a review would be appreciated.

Mark B.: Ever wonder why rock stars get laid like crazy. Seeing the movie Rock Star clicked something in my brain I just had to investigate. Here is what I found. Read the lyrics to Kiss' "Lick it up". Women hear these lyrics and it drives them fucking crazy. "Don't wanna wait 'til you know me better" - control and domination. "Life's such a treat and it's time you taste it" blowjob pattern. "Be good to yourself" imbedded command. "Don't need to wait for an invitation" - more control and domination. These guys got it. No wonder they had thousands of women in the careers. Singing about any other crap surely would not have resulted in the type volumes of pussy they got.

Kiss' "Lick it Up" Don't wanna wait 'til you know me better Let's just be glad for the time together Life's such a treat and it's time you taste it There ain't a reason on earth to waste it It ain't a crime to be good to yourself

Chorus: Don't wanna wait 'til you know me better Let's just be glad for the time together Life's such a treat and it's time you taste it There ain't a reason on earth to waste it It ain't a crime to be good to yourself

Chorus: Lick it up, lick it up, it's only right now Lick it up, lick it up, ooh yeah Lick it up, lick it up, come on, come on Lick it up, lick it up

Don't need to wait for an invitation You gotta live like you're on vacation There's something sweet you can't buy with money - lick it up, lick it up It's all you need, so believe me honey It ain't a crime to be good to yourelf

Chorus: Come on - it's only right now (it's only right now) Ooh yeah (ooh yeah) ooh yeah (ooh yeah), yeah yeah Chorus repeats out

Here are some snaps from a few Motley Cure songs: "Another Slice of Your Pie" Good God, baby, baby blow my fuse - (Blowjob) When you walk this way Nineteen, seductive ballerina So trashy, so trashy Hey, pretty pretty with the sweet sweet eyes Order me up another Slice of your pie- (Your pussy) "Rattlesnake Shake" She's got sassy class Bring you to your knees - (blowjob) When she shakes her ass She's a voodoo, voodoo child Just one look will drive you wild Slides through the night - (fucking at night) With a viper's smile

"Without You" Without you, without you A sailor lost at sea Without you, woman The world comes down on me - (blowjob) Without you, my hope is small - (as in my penis is small) Let me be me all along You let the fires rage inside - (tell her how to feel inside) Knowing someday I'd grow strong - (get a hard on) "Sticky Sweet" Oh, good God, there's a fire In my pants - (no need to clarify) Then lightening strikes and she Laughs that evil laugh

She's so sticky Sticky sweet

Now, when I've done good She slaps me on the ass It takes more than ten seconds To satisfy this lass

"She Goes Down" - (obvious blowjob) She said she'd do me no harm You know she makes me feel good Just like a bad girl should Always a lady I love southern ladies They just know how to please It's like connecting the dots Start at the bottom, lick to the top

She goes down She goes down She goes down Down, down, down

NightLight9: A guru master asked about my :"Hitting On Me Connection Pattern", so here it is written up a little better: "I was just talking to my friend about getting hit on. (Note the 'self quotes', I think they give nearly as much a softener and segue as regular quotes, plus more transference and credit, I'm going to start using this a lot more.) I said to her "I can always tell when someone is hitting on me because there's effort behind it. They are just trying too hard and it doesn't feel right . But... now, you can meet someone who you do connect with . I mean that kind of instantaneous connection. And when you meet someone like this and you connect it just feels natural, doesn't it? Like it was meant to be." And she said to me, "Yeah, it's like you can feel it and it's so powerful. It's almost like a beam of light going from me to you, right here" finger point to touch on her solo plexus (just like Ross says, and it works)> "And that's the difference, do you know what I mean?"

(Commenting on: " HB : "Are you serious? I can never tell when you are serious." Great sign. GS: "I mean, it's rare to meet someone with such a great outlook on life, such incredible energy, and such a great sense of humor. But, I really don't know if I'm the kind of person that you could develop feelings for. I don't know if I'm the kind of person that you would really want to be with. I don't even know if we could share intense, intimate moments together. Sure it might be fun finding out, but then I'd really hate risking this great friendship that we might have by trying to be something more."):

I really hate this. It's clear that this chick was really into it already, and that's why it worked, but I think this is pretty weak in any other situation. You frame it that she wouldn't be interested...much better to go down the path of, "We have such a good connection. I'd hate to risk that. Just for the possibility of increasing our enjoyment and pleasure so much." Then I'd go down one of two paths depending on the chick, 1) time distortion with you ending up growing old together and end with a joke about how you hate the idea of getting wrinkly, or 2) joke about having to get a restraining order, etc. with her falling madly in love. Maybe our styles are just different but I prefer a little stronger edge. The fact that you grabbed the opportunity for patterning is good.

(Commenting on "GS: "Hmm...okay, but you've been warned. Prepare your defense. Once that line is crossed, things get pretty hot pretty quickly. So be prepared... I could put a move on you at any time." A few minutes later I put my hand on her leg. HB : "Are you putting moves on me?" GS: "YES...but you were warned..."):

This is the part I hate the most. You've framed it as her letting you past her defences. How does that help you? The way you set it up, she loses when you win. Obviously you're doing a lot right, or else you never would have gotten this response. I just think it's important to keep her feeling like she is winning when you get laid.

(Commenting on: Mark B.: On the topic of confidence. [snip] But I still get slightly nervous around a woman when making an approach for the first time but that feeling quickly goes away and is replaced with a strong feeling of aggression and confidence. It's almost a feeling of excitement and thrill of going up to her and talking rather than a trembling fear and confusion."):

I have the same thing. I like to do what I call a warm up approach. It can be with any chick (5-10). Thing is I expect it to be a throwaway, as I know I'll be little nervous and probably not into it fully, but once I make the approach, I am totally psyched up for a night of fun, even if I crash and burn.

(Commenting on: "MTL_PUA: So how does congruence fit into this? Well, showing people how you are after you have told them (subtly or otherwise) will validate what you said. It's basically proof, and that is where I have gone wrong in certain situations. I did all the groundwork, but I did not follow-up on it. I am now at the stage where I am trying to make this into an automatic thing. Talk, then show."):

Great stuff as usual. One other way is to purport to be the exact oposite of what she wants (or what she thinks she wants). I tell girls I'm really boring or an asshole or incurably shy all the time (typically when I know I've demonstrated the opposite. They don't believe me but they like it. It creates a polarity response. Sometimes I tell them my penis is really small (you need to get graphic and reach down and grab your crotch when doing this). Also lay it on thick. Tell her hot chicks are always getting on you, but you're still a virgin because you are too embarrassed... (note don't actually create a visual of your small penis for obvious NLP reasons.)

(Commenting on: "A guru master: My last GF once asked me if I was using her. I responded with, "OF COURSE I am!! I am using you for sex. I am using you for companionship. I am using you for the incredible times that we have together. And you are using me, too!" That reframed her nicely."):

Word for word one of my favorite reframes. Another one I use is to say "For what?" and then follow up with something that she isn't good at. Then say "Look if you don't find yourself really enjoying our time together let's just stop" "I think we are, but if you think differently, you should let me know right now because I don't need to get hurt..." (alter appropriately to avoid her getting to into you based on 'hurt'.)

(Commenting on: "David Johnson ( mindiscovery.itgo.com/ NLP & SS ): I purposely moved to sit beside her, telling her my back was sore and needed to lean against the books. She smiled, but sort of moved away. I quickly thought back to what RJ said and moved back also. I was obviously in her personal space. It didn't seem to get her comfortable though, not sure why."):

Women can smell an agenda a mile away, if you want to sit next to her, sit next to her. Don't feign a reason, their spider senses go off and they subconsciously mark you as weak or sneaky.

(Commenting on: "She said, in true female 'Fate' form, 'maybe I will see you again' (this meant to me that she believed that if it was REALLY MEANT TO BE, we would meet again.)"): This is a perfect opportunity for my "I think close." This is one I've had awesome luck with. Just say to her. "You know what I think?" She'll invariably ask. You say, "I think we should meet me for coffee." (insert what ever close you want, but this is my favorite here in Seattle.) I don't know why the "I think" works (I think it might be because it demonstrates your confidence and openness, without supplicating or being overly aggressive). I do know that I use it when I feel like I've created enough attraction that she's interested, but that I don't think I've done enough to have her fully mentally committed to the close (meaning the attract phase wasn't enough to make her want me, but she is intrigued/interested). This is most useful when you need a quick close. The other day I used a kiss opener on a fine 9. And then immediately went for the I think # number close because my buddies were leaving... NL9: "My friends are taking off, so I'm going to have to get going." HB : "Oh..." NL9: "You know what I think?" HB : "No, what?" NL9: "I think you should give me your number so I can call you and we can do all the things we're supposed to do before we kissed." HB : "OK"

(Commenting on: "Well, she left and I was sitting in the silence of my own stupidity. I picked myself up and walked out the store. She called again to me saying 'See you David.'"):

At this point it was too late, but this screams "David, you did it! You did what was necessary to close... except you forgot to close. Maybe it wasn't perfect, but it was better than perfect it worked, so next time you do it, just remember to close.

(Commenting on: "I left feeling somewhat dejected, thinking that even in the end I should have gone up and said 'Listen, if you are not with someone that makes you feel totally fulfilled, maybe we owe it to ourselves to get together later.' But I didn't."):

Too late. There is window of opportunity and you missed it by not acting early closes quickly. You've already been categorized as maybe next time. Hard to get out.

(Commenting on: I offered to help her back with them saying 'I feel I owe you something because you helped me out'. She declined and we went our separate ways. I thought I might see her later."):

Once again she senses an agenda. One old rule of thumb for not supplicating that you need to apply to your thinking (it is useful for monitoring actions): "Would I be doing this if I wasn't hoping, even in the slightest way, it would indirectly help get her to like me so I might get laid?" If the answer is no. You need to reevaluate and probably do something else.

(Commenting on: "NightLight9: HBB: "No , I need to know because if it's just sex then I am going out there and if I meet someone else I will go out with him and the fucking stops then." "Me: "If that is the case then I will now stop the car and you are getting out right now on the street and you can go to see the movie on your own and I am done with you."):

I didn't say this. I think Mark did.

(Commenting on; "You have no idea how much women want you to state your own opinion in spite of theirs. There is nothing asshole about it. You are just being what women need. The fine line is broken when you begin to put down the other person's view or begin to convince that theirs is wrong rather than simply expressing your own."):

There are also some very different types of things to disagree about. There are some things that when you present your opinion, you can't help but contradict her in a way she will perceive that as a contradiction unless you reframe because of the nature of the conversation (eg. she says "It hurts her feelings when someone says something mean to her"). Some things that just show you have your own opinion (ex. Talking to an HB last week she said she liked SUV's, and I said I didn't and gave the reasons. She agreed with me because we were deeply in rapport, but I wasn't looking for that, I was just expressing my opinion.) Other things are core values and you may lose points for expressing your opinion (eg. She says "My father was killed by a drunk driver and I watched him die in the hospital for a week. I think the drunk driving laws should be a lot tougher). The lines of these will vary based on the tone of the conversation and her core belief system... I really like the fact that you went out and tested this to the extreme. I've done the same thing, but lately I've been testing slight variations to see if they have an effect. It's too bad I can't find a captive audience of 200 HB 's to run tests on :-)

(Commenting on; "This is asshole and something I do not do. It's insulting and turns people off. Expressing your own opinions, even though it's different from hers but leaves their view in tact maintains respect for both parties."):

Tone and aggressiveness play a big role in this. Just raising your eyebrows at the end of a sentence can turn the expression of an idea into a

challenge (this can be good or bad, but you should be aware of it).

A guru master: (Commenting on: "She said she likes how I am able to stand up to her and all other guys either insult her and push her around or act meek and shy - both turnoffs for her and in general. Finding the right balance of strength yet respect is the key."):

Agreed. Maturity equals the balance between courage and consideration.

(Commenting on: "Now when I go out all I do is work with this "express my opinion mindset" and women love it. I do not have to ask for numbers or dates as often. They just seem to happen automatically. "You seem like a great guy. Here is my number. Call me." No need to say anything more."):

Yes. Women want a guy that knows what he wants and fearlessly pursues it. I've always viewed patterns as a sophisticated and fun way of expressing what I want.

(Commenting on: "Easy big boy. You did not understand what I said. I was experimenting here, buddy. I am not like this all the time. I decided to be hardcore for that night only to see how it works. Obviously it was asshole but I had to see it's effects."):

I'm glad to see you know the value of respect. Because your post seemed a little 'overboard'. And I call EVERYBODY on it if they are being disrespectful to women or to anyone. I'm just doing my job as a fellow 'decent person'. And it's obvious by your responses here that you ARE respectful of women and that you were JUST experimenting. Like I said before, I can certainly appreciate an experimental attitude.

Throat: The answer to all this is don't act like Clark Kent but act like the evil Superman. (Be like Jay on Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.)

Max: The Art of Seduction, the new book by Robert Greene, author of The 48 Laws of Power, just came out. It's available from Amazon right now. Also: I note that True Romance magazine has a special "Bad Boys" issue. Looks like good deep background material for those who can stomach reading such drivel.

Cliff's Comment: The book must be at all major bookstores as I saw it at Chapters here downtown. (See below for the Amazon link.)

Alpha Male: Has anyone read this new book that is out, it is called the "Art of Seduction" and is by Robert Greene. On Amazon it has some interesting reviews: "...this book is a must for all students of NLP and SS . I would describe this work as a more "down-to-earth" version of Speed Seduction. If you have thought that Ross Jeffries' material is on to something, but a little too way out there - then you definitely owe it yourself to buy Greene's book.." "...the book is well organized and gives a person a good look into what is seduction, then goes on to explain the eight kinds of seducers and finally explain the process...after explaining the kinds of seducers he gets down to the process of seduction. He lays out the 24 laws (processes) of having a complete seduction. This is the real meat of the whole persuasion game...this is a must read for anyone involved in the fields of NLP , DHE or SS . Some people may find it to be immoral or downright offensive to have such a manual in the market....but like fire you could use this manual either to cook a good meal or get yourself burnt." Comments?

There is this one book that has been talked about on this list, something about the rules for women, not sure, if anyone has the name and author, mucho gracias.

Does anyone have a good strategy/pattern to use in this very crazy situation? I am in a ltr (long term relationship) and quite happy. It's just that sometimes you need a little variety and I have had my eyes on this HB 8.5 with killer tits and a really phat ass. Trouble is, she is my ltr 's younger sister and I have had some success but not even close to a coke. Why? Well, 'cuz of the obvious, she knows I am bonking her sis, so she is very protective, but at the same time wants her happiness. I've tried loads of stuff on her. She has had a bad time with men and yet she enjoys sex, I just *know* that! Going back to what I tried: The Trust pattern, Find That Girl pattern, The Solution pattern and the Discovery Channel pattern. You could tell from her eyes that we were going somewhere, but how does one get *there*, there being where there are no clothes involved? Also, has anyone ever done this, it's such a dang thrill!