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Maxwell:
One of the concepts that gets much discussed, but little analyzed, is that of value. The general axiom is that one must have higher value than the HB before she will allow herself to be attracted to you (it is possible to have attraction before value... in which case, she will break state or shit test, depending upon her self esteem - topic for a different post).
What gets little discussed, perhaps because it hasn't been thought of, is what it is exactly that constitutes value. Value can be many things, but in terms of seduction, there are two specific forms of value that have the desired effect... genetic and social.
Genetic value is exactly what it implies... it is the likelihood that one's genes will both be passed along to the next generation and that they will increase the host's likelihood of survival. The greater the chance that one's genes will accomplish these tasks, the greater the value that one has to a potential mate.
Social value establishes the likelihood that one's offspring will have greater resources to utilize. The greater the social value that one carries, the greater the chance that one has an abundance of resources in order to be able to generate that social value.
The gist of how this is generated in the field is this: genetic value can be generated by how you act towards others, and social value is generated by how others act towards you.
Take beauty. There are some who believe that there is an ideal measurement for beauty, as exemplified in certain proportional measurements of the face... the beautiful person is the one whose facial structure is the most "average" (cf: The Beauty Myth or The Red Queen). A study was done in which infants were shown images of two types of people: beautiful and average. The infants were recorded as having a greater interest (longer viewing times) and a more positive response to the beautiful faces, than they did for the average ones.
The infants were assigning higher value to the beautiful people based upon a completely visceral response. Those genetic keys unlocked their physiological response and so, had greater value.
To continue along the line of how aesthetics convey value, there is a second way, apart from the purely physical, that value is conveyed through beauty. This is through social value. Think of the standard female form of the artist Reuben's time. Having a larger figure implied value because it required resources beyond the means of most people in order to maintain it. The women of the upper class could both afford the food AND the indolence needed for the larger size and so, because it conveyed wealth, it became a standard for beauty because of the resources that it conveyed.
Having these markers of wealth implies large social value and so, the greater ability to care for the children produced by mating.
The next question would be this: how do these forms of value get generated in the field? One can see how the style that TD employs is meant to have the same visceral impact that looking at a stunning beauty would have (this would account for him getting opened with the same frequency that the good looking naturals do, but yet having the girls tell him that he is fun to be with but not say beautiful... his actions create internal incongruence that they rationalize by saying he is fun to be with... even though he generates the same emotions that a good looking guy would).
TD gets this reaction by mimicking the behaviors that an exceptionally attractive person would have and so, through an accumulation of these signs of good genes, he flips the same switch that gets flipped in the first 1/7th of a second that get flipped when one views an exceptionally beautiful person for the first time (I also believe that TD should begin to tell others about his experiences as a "model caliber guy". His external experience is becoming congruent with that, and so this belief would match his validating experiences, more so than his belief that he is "average looking"... his experiences are no longer congruent with that belief.).
A good looking guy is used to having an abundance of women and so, can afford to tease them because he knows that even if he chases one away by being to arrogant, he can easily find another. A good looking guy has an ease around women because he expects them to see his value, so he doesn't qualify himself through his body language etc...
By mimicking the behaviors that are inherent to possessing good genes, one conveys this same value.
The Mystery Model, on the other hand, is meant to convey social value by reproducing its effects. Someone with high social value will have great social proof, interesting personal stories, frivolous talents (like the knowledge of etiquette that was required of English lords - great resources were needed to spend the time required to perfect it) (cf. The Mating Mind for further detail).
The Mystery Model then moves from effect to cause.
Great social proof is the effect and if you can reproduce that, the socially conditioned response is to assume that great social status caused it... yet other things can cause this too. Pawning, set merging... these are the constructed effects to reach the cause of social status.
Likewise with value building stories (AKA routines) or frivolous talents (AKA magic tricks). All these achieve the ends of high value by substituting a cause that doesn't have high value. Yet the value communicated remains the same (In linguistics, this is the sign and the signified. The sign - high value, is taken to mean the signified - high resources. Similar to me saying "I have a chair" (sign) taken to mean I have enough resources to own a chair (signified), only I don't have to own a chair in order for the impact of that sentence to be the same so long as you assume that because others appear to believe me, then what I say must be correct).
So what these two forms of value achieve, through a manipulation of signs, is to communicate high value in a way that causes the receiver to process the information in a way conditioned to be received as high value.
One way does this by mimicking genetic high value and the other by mimicking social high value.
It is possible to have more of one than of the other.
To have high genetic value and low social value is to be sought after for your sperm (lover). To have high social value and low genetic value is to be a provider.
To have high genetic value but low social value can cause the girl to break state for fear of lowering her own value (i.e. slut). To have high social value but low genetic value can cause the girl to withhold sex.
To be inherently low in either in the mind of the girl before she begins to receive signs signifying otherwise, will cause her to screen for value to confirm the value of those signs (i.e. shit test).
Each value has it uses. Genetic value is what gets her in bed with you (as she has decided that your sperm has more value than her egg), and social value is what gets her to your bed (as she has decided that your social value is greater than her own).
Short stops:
A kiss is the girls means of calibrating genetic value.
Rapport is the girls means of calibrating social value.
A woman looking at the character of a man begins at his head (genetic value) and ends with his shoes (Social value).
A woman looking for the wealth of a man, begins with his shoes and works her way up.
Carlos Xuma (Seduction Method/Dating Dynamics, www.seductionmethod.com, www.datingdynamics.com):
Seduce Her Because It's What She WANTS.
I¹m going to start off with a scandalous statement:
No matter what today¹s pop culture and media tell you, women don¹t want men who are "feminized." They want men who understand women, but behave like MEN.
Every romantic involvement with a woman must begin with a passionate seduction in order to develop into anything further. You cannot sneak in the back door of her emotions and start out as friends, hoping to turn it into romance later on. ("Friends first" is a myth.)
Remember: Seduction isn¹t bad or wrong.
It¹s absolutely necessary.
Men and women get together because of one reason: Attraction. A woman will only want to be with a man initially who fires up her desire, and she will only stay with him if he can keep that fire burning. She might stick around out of necessity or obligation (i.e. marriage, children), but that is not the way you want to keep a woman.
I'm sure you've seen this situation: Some guy is talking with a beautiful woman. She's laughing away at his jokes, flipping her hair back, and touching his arm as if she's known him forever, but you know she's only just met him. The worst part is that he's not even good looking! And his suit looks like he just shot his couch. Eventually, the hot babe leaves the bar with him.
What could this guy possibly have or know that allows him to be brave enough to jump in and attract gorgeous women successfully?
He has some of what I call the Critical Success Factors (the "Three S's") with women:
- Self-confidence
- Sense of humor
- Self-control
These traits combined create a powerful communication style that will put you over the top with any woman you desire. Good looks are not repeat NOT necessary. In fact, they will limit you, since many women have shields up to protect them from the "players."
Here's a secret, and this may be the most valuable information you'll ever read:
Women cannot logically choose the men they feel attracted to.
They cannot choose this voluntarily, any more than men can choose the women they find visually attractive. Your attractiveness resides on a subtle layer of communication, just below the surface of your appearance. Once you know the principles of this communication style, you can use it whenever you need to get a woman interested in you.
Women want to be seduced by men. But only by a man who initiates in the right way. Yes, that's right; women have sexual needs that are as powerful as men's (even stronger, in most cases.) However, they are looking for a man who can communicate his sexual value through certain dominant "Alpha Male" behaviors.
So, how do you use this?
Begin with these critical principles:
- A woman does not want to be constrained or confined.
You cannot come on too strong or threaten her freedom. If you do, she will rebel and disappear. You must always be an inch out of reach for her to feel comfortable letting you pursue her. (Stop and re-read that; it's critical to understand.) She must never feel as if she's tied down unless she chooses to commit. In other words, you give her space so that she feels free to act on her desires.
- A woman will feel attracted to men who tease and challenge her.
Teasing raises frustration, which starts her attraction. To the degree that you can remain elusive and retain the aura of a valuable commodity (i.e. hard-to-get, wanted by other women, etc.) you will command her respect and attraction. In other words, she wants what you do not easily give her. Forget anything your mom or dad may have told you. Ignore the advice of your jaded, bitter female friends. If you want to learn what women really want, throw logic out the window. Start watching what women actually respond to, not what they say they want.
Results are the only thing that matters in dating and seduction.
Chariot:
FR: Tight nights deluxe: featuring Fly-Camera-Guy
Background
A friend who is the photo-guy at a nightclub I work at went away this week and asked if I could do the photos for the in club-photo gallery/weekly posters.
He hands me this really cool digicam with zoom lens and shit and off I go -
Night One: Uni Night.
I roll in to the club with a friend who is the best natural I have ever seen. He is a 9.5 in looks and has game which compliments it. Girls give him IOI's wherever he goes. If I just stood there in sets with him, I would get only mild attention. I used to be so envious of this dude (rationalizing that it must be his looks that pulls the girls)... now I steal all the girls that talk to him and he's asking ME how the fuck I do what I do!!?? funny... anyway on to the report...
There aren't many people in the club yet - and nobody is on the dance floor.
I speak to the manager for 2 secs and roll on to my first photo shoot:
5 set with 3 HB's and 2 AMOGS. I open with "Hey guys - you soooo have to get in a photo for x-club" and motion to them to get in the picture. I can use neutral openers like this because I'm "only taking photos". I take the first photo and look at the screen and pretend it's the worst photo I have ever seen... they all jump on me to look at the photo *instant social proof*
chariot: "haha - you guys look like little powerpuff girls!"
HBS: "hahahaha" grabbing me "Show us! show us!"
chariot: "Nuh ahhh!"
HBS: "Take another photo!!!"
chariot: "No way - you had your chance!"
I start walking away and two of them follow me and start pulling at me... everyone in the club is seeing all this.
chariot: "Ok you little pp girls: you can roll with me - if we do FUN stuff, ok!?"
HBS: "Yeah!!!"
chariot: "Ok, let's play a game... see all these mini cock farms around here (pointing too all guys on death row) - we have to make them look at least a bit cool" "We'll go round the club and you guys have to jump on them and I'll take a photo, ok!?"
HBS: "teee heee" all hyper & excited
Ok, we then move around and I put them on all the dumbfounded AMOGS and take photos - while tooling the fuck out of the guys for looking retarded/scared/goofy... this gets my HBS VERY FUCKING ATTRACTED... it's like in mixed sets where you blow out the dudes and make the girls swoon - well, imagine doing this OVER and OVER with NEW GUYS. You become the shit very fast.
Now every girl in the room knows FlyCameraGuy and wants to know more. I'm getting wickedly good IOI's off all the girls in the club. Cool.
I get bored with these HBs (who are so into me it becomes lame) and decide to move on to better things, in true chariot style, like a chick - I just pretend I'm following the next piece of stimulus (which happens to be another 2 HB set)... and off I wander calm and smooth as a Hindu cow. They try and fight me back... to no avail.
chariot: standard cameraguy take photo opener
chariot: "You guys are cute - I bet you're adventurous too!"
HBS: "Yeah!"
chariot: "Ok - get this as an adventure... see how there is no-one on the dance floor - let's go do a sexy photo shoot RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE! You girls will be the coolest in the venue - and make all the other girls jealous"
They were sold VERY quickly because I already had more social proof than Hugh Hef and I proceeded with the 2 HB's - one on each arm to the middle of the dance floor... I have about 100 people watching.
I then instruct them to "do it more sexy" - while they rub me and each other up in the middle of the dance floor... I circle around them and take a few shots.
The DJ (who is a friend of mine) booms over the PA "Watch out guys - the cameraguy will steal your girlfriend". Did I mention the amount of social proof I had?
On a side note - these HB's are all 8s. Good - but nothing ultra special... so I get bored and keep unloading set after set until I have had personal contact with all the girls in the room... Then it gets interesting...
In a set of 4HBS another 4 walked past (I have already attracted all of them btw)... I yell down the 4 walking past and have all 8 HBs attention...
chariot (to 8set group): "Do you guys want to play a game!?"
HBS: "Yeah! what!?"
chariot: "Ok, get this, from now - you guys are all UNDER-COVER... and what we will do, is play the pick up game. The rules are, you all have to go and get all the dumb guys who think they are the shit - to buy you as many drinks as possible. You can't target the obviously lame guys, just the ones who think they are the shit... the girl with the most free drinks bought, gets 20 WHOLE MINUTES with *ME* ALONE. Ha ha ha... let's GO!"
Ok so I've dragged these girls into an undercover adventure frame, which they have totally bought. I have conveyed obliquely that I am on top of the game and I am the shit. 4 of the girls split up to play the game - I roll with the other 4...
We roll up on a good looking set of 4 AMOGS...
chariot (to dudes): "Hey guys! - these girls think you're cute... talk to them"
hahahahahaha! they are all STUNNED and do the LAMEST SHIT like wave all goofy and say "Hi, I'm AMOG" hahaha. They don't know wtf is going on - and it shows on their dumb AMOG faces.
The girls then proceed to run the usual game on the dumb dudes (with scary precision - lucky I know how this game works now!) and they all get drinks bought for them.
chariot (to HBS): "Ohhhh you guys are sooo awesome... lets roll" I grab two on my arm and high five the other two... we wave the AMOGS bye bye and head off... the looks on their faces... priceless.
I work this game like a PIMP. My little hoes are running around gaming guys FOR ME... it's like I'm a PIMP. Fucking cool fun.
This is really amping my girls buying temps HARD... the AMOGS think they are doing great.. but really they are doing great FOR ME! I *OWN* them - the girls know it, and treat me accordingly ; )
Then... out of nowhere I lost 2 of my "hoes". One was the hottest of the group - so I go find her. I do and she says I have to go quick - because she is in so much trouble with her boyfriend. Ha ha ha. I quickly and subtly #close her and jet. Secret society in action.
Everywhere I walked all the AMOGS had these real worried looks on their face - you could see them thinking "OHHH FUCKKK HIDE YOUR GIRLFRIEND - IT'S FLYCAMERAGUY!!!!!!"
Not much more to note on this night... other than I got 4 other numbers and tongue-downed 2 of my hoes. I'm not going to post on how I did this because it was all generated by the immense states I was pulling the girls through and the social proof mentioned above.
I roll home with my good looking dumb struck friend asking me how the fuck I just did all of that. He rationalized that it was because I had the camera - fine with me
: )
Any guys with a set of 4+ HBS - play the Undercover PIMP game - it rocks. You have to be tight with your game though - or you will loose your hoes to the AMOGS.
Night 2: Sat night
I'm working behind the bar of the same nightclub as above tonight... running my normal game on all the HB's that walk up. i.e. "Hey - before you get a drink, I need a female opinion on something"... easy - gets lots of repeat customers ;)
On my break I grab the digicam to take more photos... and as I'm walking around someone pulled me back... FUCK! It's HB9.5 hottie I 2 minute tongue-downed about 3 weeks ago.
HB2minhot: "It's powerpuff guy!"
chariot: "Ohhh - hey babe - you remember that!? Ohhh, I always thought you were cute"
An AMOG is standing there hugging her (which I assume is her BF)
chariot: "You guys look sooo cute together, let me get a photo of the LO-VER-ssss!"
Side note mini FR: This girl I tongue-downed after she was screaming at me "Are YOU GAY!!!??? ARE YOU GAY!!????" when I pumped her with high buying temp material... Her HB10Model friend saw the whole sarge go down and got MEGA PISSED AND HATED ME for this... oh well.
So anyway... I take a photo of dork and his hottie GF and out of the corner of my eye I see none other than HB10MODEL rolling up!!!! I'm thinking here we go, I'm going to have to manage this bitchiness.
HB2minhot (to HB10model): "Look, it's POWERPUFF GUY!"
I'm still in photo standing position with the camera pointed at them - and HB10model rolls up on to me like we are BEST FRIENDS!!!! She is leaning her chest on my arm as I'm holding the camera, and kinoing me as we talk...
HB10Model: "Ohhhhh hey!!!! You work here! Awesome! hahaha"
chariot: "yeah..." using disinterest... my body language is still completely on HB2minhot.
HB10Model: "Wow" pulls me away from HB2minhot... "Your gay... aren't you!?"
chariot: "What makes you sooo attracted to gay guys?"
I game her up normal style and she is fully in love with me. She qualifies that she is a model to me, etc. (I already know this because I have seen her on TV)... I just say "Awesome"... and move on. I #close and eject because I have to get back behind the bar. Nice - she is fully fucking hot. Genuine MODEL 10. My internal state is congruent with this now... I genuinely feel like a male 10 rockstar so my material comes across money. When I get back behind the bar I get 100X more IOI's than I was already getting because I was projecting the 10 aura.
Anyway... a new competitor has opened a club across the road and is getting lots of business. My manager comes up and hands me a wad of free entry/free drink cards and $20 and says "This should get you in to x-club and this should get you the girls to come over to our club". Nothing like the ethical business of nightclubs.
So I head over to newclub and game up the hotties in the line. I run my standard set with this addition:
"Hey... let's play a game... say I am undercover... and I had free entry, and free drinks across the road (present card) would you come with me!?... You have to keep quiet, and be undercover with me."
The girls are all into it. I eject saying I will come back to them.
In another set I had the girls scouting for more girls much like the PIMP game above... so in the end I had 7 HBS's rolling back over to my club with me. My manager thought I was the shit - and so did everyone else that was within a 100 meter range of me.
This game is so fucking fun for me right now.
Overall it's the number of the HB10model that I will definitely follow up on. I won't call her. She knows where I work and will be out again to see me... as soon as I see her it's on.
Guys, I really recommend getting a digital camera. It's so fucking good for social proof. If your game (I'm thinking Jlaix et al) you can roll up to clubs and pretend you are the camera guys for EASY opening of sets.
Mark B.:
It's about 5 PM on a Sunday. I am getting a cup of coffee on Queen St. downtown Toronto. I am by the milk and sugar stand when I see a tall hottie with jet black hair and rather large breasts wearing mostly black walk in wearing black poncho. She orders her coffee and walks over to the milk stand. I see her and say "hey, that is a great Poncho, Mexican", "No, I am Italian", "No, that is not what I mean, I meant is the Poncho Mexican?", "Yes it is". I then notice some Gothic rings on her and say "you know the intricacy of the art work I think reflects a certain complex aspect of your personality, I feel you are on a spiritual mission and have come to a new sense of self understanding". "Oh my God, how did you know? I am dying inside because/I am just making it up as I go along but she eats it up. Besides what woman is not on some journey of self discovery. I ask her what she is doing. She says she came downtown to walk around and be at one with her thoughts. So I suggest to her that sometimes destiny brings pe
ople together in mysterious ways and that when it happens its important to open up to opportunity. She keeps saying "Oh my God, how did you know". We fluff talk for a bit and I suggest that we walk around the city for a bit. At this point she is doing most of the talking telling me about her life, her recent transcendental growth and some path of self discovery.
It's about 7:00 PM now and I suggest that I live about 20 minutes away and if she would like she can walk home with me and later I can drive her home. She agrees. We arrive home. I make her a drink and turn on Gladiator on DVD, my fave movie. She loves the period stuff and the costumes and of course the journey of Maximus. We snuggle up on the couch and begin making out. I reach for her pussy but she backs off and takes my hand away and suggests that she is not ready for that level of intimacy. I back off and simply sit beside her. Within about half an hour she begins kissing me and this time goes all the way. I drive her home at 11:30.
I think what worked well this time was the fact that I noticed her clothing and made comments about her supposed journey - a cold reading. I also again boldly went for what I wanted but left the decision up to her. In the end my April experience of bringing a girl home that I just met opened up a new world of possibility for me. Sky is the limit now...
Beowulf:
Guys, after being in an LTR now for four months and dealing with the inevitable ups and downs that come with it, here are my latest insights about my GF’s issues (followed by my solutions) which, as I’m sure you’ll agree are issues that plague all women we deal with to some degree or another.
Her issues and bad habits are as follows:
1-her utter inability to detach, be objective, laid back about issues that come up in our relationship: She is constantly comparing our relationship to those of her past or her girlfriends. She makes emotional statements like; "We shouldn't be arguing like this, sex should be easier…other couples this, other couples that…"
While I do this also as well, I do it in a much more detached and productive way. My internal dialogue goes something like this:
"hmmm…interesting! They don’t seem to fight as much as we do. Why is that? What can I learn from them?
"some couples have it better, some have it worse. Let’s learn from those who have it better, let’s be grateful we do better that those who have it worse!"
In other words, her glass is always half empty, my glass is always half full.
This comes from my natural male ability to rationalize and detach as well as some of my philosophical beliefs.
2-her annoying habit of dwelling incessantly on past discussions:
she does this to the point of being unable to function sexually because she is thinking about past arguments we have had relating to sex. Being a woman, she is incapable of even believing in the concept of "state and emotion control". Women have been raised to believe that it’s ok for them to react emotionally to everything. That they are allowed to "feel" a certain way and that they are allowed to feel helpless to change their feelings. We as men learn to prize logical thought. We develop our ability to reason through our emotions, we talk "tough" to ourselves and to each other when we realize our emotions are getting out of hand or are unjustified (Yo dude! Relax! She’s a chick! Don’t let her get to you!).
Women are born with the ability to feel their emotions. We men are born with the ability to control and rationalize emotions. Both abilities are the key to self awareness as human beings and can be achieved by either gender. Except that we as men, especially those of us who belong to this community are more capable of learning their ability to feel emotions (ours and theirs) than they will ever be to learn our ability to rationalize and control them. Our strength is their weakness.
3-her habit of insidiously but subtly turning things around to make it look as though I am the one who is out of control and who starts these interminable discussions:
This typical female control mechanism has in the past been successful because I have too often made the mistake of letting her female weaknesses trigger my anger and have too often let these inane discussions drag on too long.
Solutions:
There is no point in reacting with anger. Women in a strange way, are like children. Being state based, the best way to handle them is to "change their mood not their mind" as has been stated by the most advanced members of this community.
But in order to be able to change their mood not their minds, we have to first change our OWN mood, or even better, never allow their natural female defense mechanisms to trigger our anger. This is not easy even in the best of times and down right next to impossible with the bigger issues. But there are all kinds of ways to do this. One way is to remind ourselves during the arguments that we are dealing with creatures that though admirable for many reasons, are inherently flawed in their inability to reason through their emotions. The key though is not to look at them as inferior, but rather develop an attitude of compassion, as though we were dealing with the temper tantrum of a five year old child. Most of the arguments that they (albeit insidiously) initiate can be nipped in the bud with statements such as :
"Don’t worry about it"
"Yes sweetie, you are absolutely right" while pinching her cheeks and tickling her.
"You are so cute when you’re upset" while pinching her cheeks and tickling her.
And so on…
More annoying behavior can be punished by the usual methods of withdrawing attention (back turns during earlier stages of seduction, diverting attention to other members of the group, etc…)
My conclusion is as follows:
The differences in the way men and women view the world and the way they are hard wired are the main cause of most if not all problems in relationships. Instead of feeling helpless about it and wondering why it is so, the most useful attitude is to understand that these differences are there so that we may learn from each other. We men can learn from women to be more empathetic and caring, women can learn from men to be more in charge of their emotions.
At this point in our history it seems to me that men are more capable and willing to learn from women (likely due to the few beneficial side effects of the feminist revolution as well as phenomenons such the existence of our very own seduction community) than they are capable and willing to learn from us. This is why we have noticed that as far as seduction is concerned, the very existence of this community serves as proof that the accumulated knowledge on this topic is far greater on our side than it is on theirs. Let’s face it, the best they have is "the Rules" while the best we have is an entire subculture and its myriad accomplishments.
As a good friend of mine said, there is a reason why they are called "the weaker sex"…
Harmless (reposted from Mystery's Lounge with permission of the author):
I was telling IN10SE about some of the stuff I do to girls with boyfriends, and listening to his ideas, and I thought I'd make a big post about it.
This is for all you guys who don't know how to deal with the boyfriend objection.
First of all, it's important to notice how she brings up her BF:
If it's early in the sarge and she says, "I have a BF," this does NOT mean that it's time to do BF destroyers. This means that you did NOT attract her and that she could even be LYING to you because she doesn't want to talk to you. So... if you get this too soon, then you need to deal with more fundamental game issues first.
If she waits until later in the sarge and brings it up reluctantly, like, "Oh, I'm kinda seeing someone," then you know you're IN.
THE ULTIMATE BF DESTROYER:
Ignore it. Don't make an issue of it. The first time she brings up her BF, don't say anything more than, "That's cute." Just keep gaming her. You can break this rule later when you learn to calibrate.
If she brings it up again, there are a few techniques I have that work REALLY well to make take her BF out of her mind and put YOU in his place. (Well, at least make her forget about him for long enough to go home with you.)
They're all based on a few basic principles. Basically, you want to create a VOID in her life by letting her see that her BF is not fulfilling her needs. Then you show her that you are precisely her-void-shaped and fucking you would make everything alright.
Remember these principles:
First, if you BASH her boyfriend, she will get DEFENSIVE and support him. You've just anchored good feelings towards her BF and BAD feelings towards you. Bad idea. This even happens if SHE starts bashing her BF and you AGREE with her.
Second, if you try to convince her that you are better than her BF, the same thing will happen.
Third, if you talk about how awesome her BF is and exaggerate it to impossible proportions and talk about how they are destined to be together forever, this will cause her to re-evaluate her BF in YOUR TERMS... and be disappointed.
Fourth, if you talk about how horrible a BF YOU would be, and why she would never want to date you, she will start to relate that to HER experience with HER boyfriend. It's sometimes also effective if you do this ironically, telling her how WONDERFUL you would be and then describing all your horrible traits as if they were ideal.
Fifth, use future adventures projection to have her imagining the two of you together. Use this HEAVILY. I cannot stress this enough.
Sixth, fractionate between a joking, tongue-in-cheek, "I'm just kidding" tone and serious, "Is he kidding?" tone depending on how into you she is and how attached she still is to her BF.
Seventh, use false disqualifiers a LOT. Make excuses for why you can't be with her, especially ones that disqualify yourself. It helps if they are blatantly weak excuses. My favorite is that my other girls take up too much of my time as it is. Use these right after Future Adventures Projection too.
Eighth, just pretend that the words "I have a boyfriend" have NO MEANING at all to you. Continue as if she never said it.
Ninth, she is destined to be yours and you both know it. There is no element of NEEDINESS here.
Combine these principles (and others that I've forgotten, and anything IN10SE would care to add) and you can create your own BF Destroying material on the fly. Here are some routines that I've created while talking to girls:
(This is from a sarge with a SHB who is "kinda seeing" the manager of a trendy downtown club)
Me: "You're a lesbian, aren't you!"
Her: "I'm not a lesbian! But... er... I am kinda seeing someone. He's about this tall, dark hair [starts describing the manager, who I had seen her eating dinner with after the clubs closed the previous night]"
Me: "Well, it's a good thing that I like him."
Her: "Why?"
Me: "Well, because otherwise I'd just steal you from him, take you to a desert island, and spend a week drinking rum, sun-bathing, and skinny-dipping with you. [I could have gone on with the future adventures projection, but I decided not to.] But that will never happen. So, tell me, how long have you been 'kinda seeing' him?"
Her: "Oh, just a few weeks now."
Me: "Wow, you know, just from the way your eyes are all bright and your skin is glowing, I can tell that you are totally in love with this guy. In fact, I predict that a year from now, you will be happily married with 1.5 kids and a white picket fence." [said very tongue in cheek]
Her: "I don't want to get married, and I certainly don't want kids right now! I'm an independent woman!"
Me: "Of course you are. But he's just so perfect for you! I bet he buys you flowers every day you see him. I'm sure that he is always a perfect gentleman and never even LOOKS at another girl while the two of you are together." [note: I had been blatantly gaming girls all night, right in front of her, and getting #s.]
Other stuff to do and a general structure:
She mentions her BF and starts qualifying him somehow ("Oh, he's so X. I love him so much"). You use this when you start a FUTURE ADVENTURES PROJECTION:
"So I suppose that since I like him and I don't want to hurt his feelings and everything, we will have to conduct our moonlit tryst secretly. He must never know of our clandestine meetings."
Then you build up her BF with:
"You know what? It sounds like you guys are totally in love. I can totally tell that he's the PERFECT guy for you and you will ALWAYS be together. In fact, I bet he'll propose to you soon and you'll get married and have kids and live in a nice house with a white picket fence. And you know, I just couldn't live with myself if I ruined the rest of your life with him because he is your PERFECT BOYFRIEND."
Then she starts bashing her own boyfriend ("Well, sometimes he's mean to me. Blah blah blah") and you say,
"Well, if I was your boyfriend, I wouldn't be like that at all. I would call you three times a day JUST to find out where you were and what you were doing and who you were with. I would get mad if you didn't call me EVERY day because I would love you SOOOOO much. I would go out drinking with the guys every weekend so you could have your personal space to do whatever it is that girls do... I don't know, cooking and cleaning and such. Oh, and I would forget all our anniversaries and break up with you on Valentines day."
So, the idea is:
She mentions the BF,
You ignore it.
She mentions him again,
You start three threads going:
One is future adventures projections of you and her having sex. But you use imagery that she can fantasize about (If you don't know, go read a romance novel) and disqualify yourself. ("Yeah, but that will never happen.") This raises buying temp.
The second is a thread that describes him as the ideal boyfriend so his faults are amplified. This is a DHV.
The third is a thread that describes you as a horrible boyfriend. You can do it ironically if you want. Basically, it's a DLV and a false-disqualifier.
In fact, these anti-BF techniques work so well that I use them all the time on girls that are single too. I just start talking about past relationships or the ideal guy, etc, etc. Or I start future adventures projections about our illicit meetings, running away from the paparrazzi in LA, getting pictures of us kissing in the National Enquirer, etc, etc.
Neo-Rio wrote:
The thing I have found with the "I have a BF" gambit is that she can use it to force you to evaluate your position with her. It forces you to express how you feel to the chick....
Harmless: Yes, I've noticed this too. It is sometimes a SCREENING mechanism they use to weed out the PROVIDER types while they're actively searching for the dominant alpha seducer types (best genes) to have an affair. If you come across as beta, she will next you.
The good thing about this is that we PUAs will actually give the "correct" response anyway by following more general principles like "Be ambiguous about your interest to increase sexual tension."
A guru master:
MOODINESS
I'd like to get some ideas for handling a girl's "moodiness" or irritability. Everyone gets irritable from time to time, and how do you guys handle this in your MLTR's?
"Change her MOOD, not her mind" seems like the soundest advice I've heard so far.
If you guys could share some specific ideas about how you handle your girlfriends I'd appreciate it.
I keep reading about a useful AMOG tactic (In TD's archive) where you do a "coin snatch" magic trick to make him look like a TOOL. Does anybody know where I can find this trick?
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Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has announced his schedule for 2004:
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2004 Tentative Seminar Schedule:
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Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
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Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
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The workshops include:
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Visit this site:
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