Nice girls will buy you the kind of burrito you like and bring it over, even when you didn’t ask for it.
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Major Mark Returns to Montreal: *Beyond Seduction In Montreal* -- July 16-18. This promises to be the "inner game" event of the year. Recent information sent out by Major Mark about this seminar promotes the following benefits that you will receive if you attend:
- getting out of your whinny head and living comfortably in the Real World
- blast the negativity out of your past
- tap your inexhaustible reserve of relaxed masculine power
- moving women into the proper place and perspective
- convince your Self that you deserve the women you want
- how to instinctively use the right tool at the right time
- rock-solid control of your own emotions
- instantly shifting from hesitation to relaxed confidence in any setting
- build an irresistible impulse to act now!
- irresistible Charisma generated on demand
- creatively adopt or oppose her own energy
- instantaneous recoveries from unexpected setbacks or "disasters"
- assume new beliefs and unaccustomed behaviours as an act of will
- re-defining Masculinity so it works for you
- adopt the states and traits of the Naturally Seductive Man
For those of you unfamiliar with Major Mark, he co-trained for many years with Ross Jeffries in Speed Seduction seminars and it's a well known secret that he is one of the world's greatest hypnotists.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.set nalife.com. The first seminars should be held shortly in Montreal. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca
Doc's next round of Seminars started last Sunday, June 6 th in Montreal. Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered about 2 weeks afterwards (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches – beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). Other Montreal dates for June, July and August will be coming up soon. As well, there are some Toronto and New York dates for this summer that will soon be posted. If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
While this edition of Cliff's List contains some spectacular material, the special item I have been mentioning is still coming.
Steve Piccus Interview:
Steve: Since the DYD seminar in Los Angeles, Hypnotica and I have had a lot of people get in contact with us about our products, private sessions and trainings. We are currently working on some products. Also, we are scouting out a location to present an intense workshop, where the participants will learn how to get results by utilizing the practical applications of what we teach. Our premise is information which is experienced creates a strong foundation for knowledge, as it can be resourced as something familiar when needed. Information without experience is merely information. Below is some updated background information on us.
Hypnotica - Hypnotica has worked with and trained thousands of strippers and a lot of other people in the sex industry. He teaches them how to see through the bullshit and helps them get into the right frame of mind to deal with various manipulation tactics. To this day he still works in the strip clubs where he has honed his skills to an art form in the areas of sexual social dynamics and the ability to bed multiple dancers and keep them all in check. Some of our clients want to improve on their skills for getting action with an emphasis on the strip clubs. We also teach our clients some necessary survival skills, so they can avoid getting trashed. If you want to learn how to negotiate on this playing field, you might consider learning from someone with over 12 years experience with strippers. Hypnotica has an insider's working knowledge of the industry. He is by far, one of the most experienced trainers in this area, with a system of techniques that have been tested and continue to work consistently.
Steve: I have been keeping busy with some book projects and developing some products. The main areas of my attention/field research are currently Metaphysics, Sexual Enhancements for Women, and Shamanistic Trance Work and Healing. Some of these topics may be a bit beyond the scope of interest to some in your audience. Others may find these systems provide some useful techniques to streamline a change that they want to integrate in their life. For instance, mitigating negative thoughts & old patterns, building positive internal states, or transferring positive thoughts (or energy) to an other person. I am also working on editing the videos from the Entering the Sacred Grid Workshop. This series covers some of the hypnosis and shamanistic exercises we use when we work with people to clear out old limiting beliefs.
As a Team - Hypnotica and I have been designing and testing hypnotic sexual enhancement protocols for years. We have been teaching women from all walks of life how to release stress/tension from their bodies and mind through enhanced orgasms. We test the techniques on women who work in the sex industry, primarily because they can be the most challenging. Besides these women are usually on guard because they work in an environment which is rife with manipulation. Which by the way, makes them perfect Beta-test subjects for the stuff we are fine tuning. If something works well with them, it can usually be applied to other people or situations, which are usually much more user friendly.
Clifford: One of the biggest things that I (and I am sure most guys who get to know you) noticed about the way you interact with women is that you really don't put up with any of their nonsense. And women are frequently very subtle about a lot of the games they play but I have seen that you pick up on it immediately. Unfortunately most of us have not had the good fortune to have had the social education you got from your early experiences and developing that degree of sharpness is something I haven't seen in very many of the guys I have met in my life. I think many, if not most, guys have their biggest stumbling blocks with women who they find very attractive as they get tongue-tied when dealing with them, or if they have been able to get to a point where they can talk to them fairly normally, they still have their biggest difficulty when the women they are most attracted to throw out some of their shit tests. Other than learning through hard experience, do you have any suggestions on how guys can develop the
ir awareness and ability to react right away with the right responses to women in these situations?
Steve: As far as suggestions, bottom line, the problem is not the girl or the situation. It is about learning how to respond, rather than react to what is being presented. Many of the clients I have worked with (including women) have a similar problem with this. They get mired down in the details (rather than moving into a contextual shift) which further stimulates a previous feedback loop which fires off some (seemingly normal?) antiquated reaction.
Then they quit having fun with the process, as though someone else’s thoughts or actions should be able to influence them or have the ability to shift into part of their identity. If one wants to make and sustain a change to a behavior or lifestyle choice, it is paramount that they are completely committed to the outcome without any hesitation or resistance.
Hypnosis is a good way to access this outcome when a person wants to create a change. A client has to place a higher priority on changing the mechanism that maintains the challenge. Rather than assessing blame or finding comfort in the familiarity of a known quantity. It sounds crazy, but you would be amazed how many people want to hang onto the old stuff that makes them feel bad.
Guys who get the most action... do just that, they get action. Like your buddy David. They don’t think about it or plot out elaborate strategies. They just have fun and close a lot of deals by focusing on their outcome, enjoying the process, and not getting mired down into worrying about the deals they might not get.
It’s like fishing...
If you don’t toss your line out you don’t catch anything... You have to get your night crawler out there on the troll...
Sometimes your line gets tugged on and sometimes you need to find better places to go trolling...
Sometimes you might lose some bait but then at least you know what they are hitting on in that pond...
You need to know what you are fishing for - some guys want something pretty to mount or to take pictures with, and others simply want to impress the guys around the campfire. I know this might sound a little messed up, but who the fuck wants to think about impressing other guys when you are enjoying the action? I mean what is your priority? When you understand this you won’t settle for something less.
Some guys take anything they can land. I am not into scum sucking bottom dwellers, however on a slow day, some action is better than no action, pull her in and do a catch and release.
Most Importantly - if you get hooked up and dragged into the weeds, CUT THE FUCKING LINE and find someplace else to fish. Some ponds are filled with too many hazards and the fish know how to steal your bait. If you want to keep fishing there, realize there is an opportunity cost associated with this activity, and you will probably be the one who gets stuck paying the FOOL'S TAX. If you get snagged and cannot get loose, get back to the campfire and find some friend to help you. Don’t get upset with getting snagged. It can happen to anyone. The most important thing is how you deal with it. Sometimes you have to just cut your losses and go.
Clifford: Tell us a bit about your history with women.
Steve: The innocence of my youth (I was in the first grade) was surrendered in a little rural town, to two older females (they were both in the sixth grade.) This event was the starting point of my sexual exploration and gave me my first taste of what was to come with women, so to speak.
When I was in third grade, my family moved to a house with an avocado orchard. It was closer to the city. A similar situation of exploration began with a girl in the eighth grade, who lived a few houses down the street.
In junior high I was hanging out with a high school girl. This was cool because I worked in my dad's print shop, and she worked at the mall. We had money and she had a car so we could go to the mountains or to the Drive-in Theater to "watch a movie."
In high school, I already knew a bunch of girls from the college so I had little if any interest in the high school girls. Besides most of the dudes I saw were getting very little action other than maybe a little bit of wet finger, which eventually got translated into some kind of drama. What a waste of time. Then I got thrown out of school for fighting. Personally, I still think the school overreacted to that situation.
My parents were uncertain of what to do with me. I had been hanging out with a bunch of bikers for sometime. These guys were cool, they helped each other work on Harleys, had chicks hanging around that liked sex, there was plenty of good food and they didn’t put up with any bullshit. However because I was getting into a lot of fights, mainly with rednecks, my parents shipped me off to the east coast. Making the best of what started out to be a less than favorable situation. I soon found that if you were from California, most of the regular citizen dudes hated you, but the girls were interested in you. Which made the dudes hate you even more. That was okay because my biker friends in California knew bikers around my new home. So I had some cool dudes to hang with. But it was a different scene, it was like I was transported back in time. Anyway, my cousin, who I was living with in the east, hooked me up with a job at a Catholic Girl School. During my time there I learned a lot about the social dynamics of girls
. At first these Bettys acted like snotty little rich bitches. So I blew them off. Besides I discovered long before that, when they start with bullshit and attitude - they are usually lame in the sack, want money, or have plans to mess with your head. None of these are good reasons for me to hang around. So I didn’t. I did my job at the girl school and split. Good things happen for those who don’t buy into the bullshit. Low and behold about six blocks down the road there was a nice new hunting ground, or should I say college, just packed full of smiling free-spirited hippie chicks just waiting to meet me. Understand this was the Summer of Love and I was from California.
Anyway, something I learned from these interactions was if you are congruent/fair/direct with what you want. Good things happen...
Clifford: Please explain your basic approach to women and what you do when you meet them.
Steve Piccus: Look I don’t do any really tricky shit. I don’t have the patience for it. Besides it is too much bullshit for me to remember. I use a direct common sense approach.
If I get any second thoughts about a person or a situation, I leave. Second thoughts generally reinforce the first thoughts you are trying to override, usually for some stupid reason. Which comes right back to bite you... This is called Fool’s TAX.
I am generally pretty much a nice guy, so I take that approach... I sort for nice Bettys, who don’t want to bitch at me, that are confident, fun, and have good attitudes. Oh yeah and I prefer them in stereo.
I am not sure if it is that I don’t put with the games as much as I don’t care about that silly shit... I’m not attached to any outcome or looking for anything... Except maybe when I am playing with the waitresses. No that’s not true either, because with them I am still not looking for any outcome. What I am doing with the waitresses is, I am playfully calibrating them, to see how interesting they respond to the stuff I do. You know, do they like to have fun or are they snotty little bitches... Some Bettys respond well and others don’t. The ones that don’t respond the way I like, I am not interested in. Some people like high maintenance relationships. I think that’s great, however I am not interested in wasting my time in that way.
Here is a perfect example, you where in the room when this happened...
Remember the lady I was working with up in Montreal, during the winter at the Orgasms on Command video shoot. The cute girl with darker hair, who I helped jack-up her pheromones and then she started crawling all over me like a python in heat.
Well her tall blond friend, on the surface might have been perceived as cuter to a lot of guys. But she was also much more reserved, and I don’t mean in a bitchy way, I just mean more reserved, for whatever the reason...
To me since I am not into it for a competition or sorting for a beauty pageant queen... The pretty python girl, responded much better, was more fun, and ultimately much more sensual... That is the kind of stuff I screen for.
As far as the shit test thing you are describing... In my world, it is usually not a problem unless a person lets it become one.... You can either leave or hang around analyzing why they are doing the silly bullshit that some people do.
Anyway, I have a kind of direct protocol for this behavior.
Let me explain...
If I am driving around with a Betty who I just met or that I have known for a while. I rarely have this problem of women doing shit tests.
However, if I even suspect that anything like that bullshit is happening... I immediately slam on the brakes, which should abruptly stop the car, usually after a little sliding action, fain a look of disgust, then LOUDLY scream the word FUCK a few times... as I am pounding on the steering wheel ... glaring over at the useless idiot sitting next to me on the seat, with my best impersonation of Hannibal Lector, in a quiet voice I proceed to ask her to see which tire is flat... When she hops out the car to check the tires...
The problem is solved... Wasting very little time, I mash down on the gas pedal... Then just like magic... In the rear view mirror, I notice the image of my soon-to-be-forgotten inconvenience jumping up and down, venting some more bullshit, getting smaller and smaller, as I drive away. Also, I soon get a sense of balance and harmony being restored to my environment. Then I am off again in search of new adventures and other people who are much more interesting to hang out with.
Figure this one out...
About nine months ago, there was this chick who I had taught how to have Orgasms on Command, and being the nice guy that I am I didn’t even charge her. Then I took her up a notch and taught her how to have Multiple Orgasms on Command. Was she grateful and wanting to reciprocate in some way? Hell NO, she was a self centered bitch... She went full TILT into bitching and started ragging on me as we were driving around, yelling some kind of shit about marriage... "Yap, yap, yap..." Before I knew it, my wonderful mind shot straight into the harmony restoration protocol...
Next thing I know, this chick was getting out to check the tires, and she still would not shut the fuck up. She was going on and on with this bullshit "I don’t think you are the marrying kind...blah, blah, blah..." so before she could go on much further with that discussion. I interrupted her tirade with "How about that, perhaps you have a point there?" then I mashed down on the gas. Leaving her behind me with a stunned look of amazement on her face, to contemplate whatever bullshit opinions she had bouncing around in her little head.
*Did I sit around trying to think about where it all went wrong? Hell no.
*Did my life dramatically improve when I got rid the problem? Hell Yeah... It was like magic I felt great again.
You see these days I am pretty much mellowed out. I have learned how to calibrate for a responsiveness I prefer. Also, a guy has to know when to cut his losses and go, so as to avoid the types of people that try to get you upset or ruffled around the edges.
Clifford: I would like to ask you more about how you go about getting women "in stereo." After reading what you wrote above, it seems clear that you are mainly just direct about what you want but I think you will agree that most guys feel that having two or more women at the same time is not a common event for them and whatever you can elaborate on would be appreciated. I understand that you lived with 5 women at the same time when you were 22 years old - this also seems like an enviable situation (and you did this without being rich and famous like Hugh Hefner) and one which most guys will read about and scratch their heads and wonder how did you do that.
Steve: I agree, most guys think getting women in stereo might be an uncommon event or challenging... Possibly for them it is, probably because of the way they think about it. It is like anything else in life, if you choose to think about something you want as being out of reach... or if you chose to think of it as being attainable or possible... You Are RIGHT...
Look this stuff is not rocket science, when people hold onto old patterns and beliefs which suppress their opportunities, their options will remain limited. When you enjoy yourself and have a good attitude, women want to be around you. Do you think they spend all that time and money to look good to go out to find some drama in a club? (Well maybe some of them do. So you immediately screen out the drama queens.) In my reality I consider that perhaps they are looking for a cool person to make the Brazilian wax job worth it.
With regards to finding women who are interested in going stereo, that is not a problem... not for me, my friends, or the people we work with. We have even worked with women who expressed an interest in doing ménage, but due to a lack of hands on experience, they hesitated when it came to follow through. Basically (prior to working with us) they would freeze up when it came down to approaching other women about bumping boxes. The last girl who thought she had this presenting problem, I asked her "What gives you the right to be so selfish as to deny yourself something so fucking beautiful... and furthermore, what did the girls you haven't even met yet do to you so that you even considered a passing thought about not sharing something so nice as yourself with them... Until Now... Haven't you... Blah, blah blah." She responded with " I think I had a fear of rejection." Staring back at her I said "Uh huh right, that is bullshit! That is a delusion you need to reSolve... That Problem... Now... Haven't you... LET M
E ASK YOU SOMETHING... Do you like the idea of riding a guy's flexy, while you are munching a clam?" (She nods a yes) Then since... You are... Now... Done with rejecting yourself from pleasant situations... Notice how you are going to.. Be Different... Now... in new ways... or are you just going to have fun with nice people... Like Yourself... Don't you... Now... Blah, blah, blah..." Anyway after a few sessions, these type of clients are out getting action like old Lick Masters from the far east.
So you might be asking yourself how did they get to that level....
It is the same old equation... They had a problem... they didn't like it... They did something about it... It is that simple.
Now they enjoy the results they have earned... That’s right, they've earned it, by doing what they needed to do. They follow our coaching suggestions, take action and stay on task. When people are clear about what they want, and how to get it, it is as simple as getting out of their own way. Some people need a little help because they self sabotage themselves and then they get stuck...
You know what I mean, they want to doink any pretty Betty who smiles at them in the club, but they don't even go over to talk with her because she might not want to doink them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that might be one possibility, and if you don't go over to let her meet you, you are right, no doinking from her.
Others dudes want to go out with girls in the sex industry. Hey, if that is for you, it is a real easy thing to do. Be cautioned however... we have done a lot of repair work with people who had got their heads all jacked-up by messing around this group of girls. We have also done a lot of work with the girls in the sex business. My business partner Hypnotica still works in a strip club downtown. It has some very cool advantages, like being a social environment where you can really observe bottom line sexual dynamics in action.
Some people want to know about the secrets of ménage management. The secret is... there is no big secret. Just be direct and congruent with what you want.
That reminds me of this guy in L A we worked with... You know for a while there was this dude who was hanging around. He was likable enough, he just had a unique way of acquiring information ... I know his name but that is not what is important, so please don't print his name... Anyway this dude had this peculiar behavior... he would ask a question, then jam a tape recorder in your face when you would start to respond. If you have not had this kind of experience, it is a little weird to deal with. But the dude was an alright guy and he was consistent in his pursuit of information... So one night some of us were just hanging out in L A and he asked me about how I talked women into going stereo. I told him that I don't talk them into anything and if he shut off the tape recorder and set it down, I would help him with what he was asking. He did so and I continued "first off, you need to understand in my world most of the women are bi-curious or bisexual." He looked at me with a stunned expression as he asked how
I found them. I thought he was yanking chain but he really looked serious, so I told him "Look around any room and they are there. If you don't know how to read the subtle clues yet, just go over and talk to the Betty you’re interested in. In my experience, most of the chicks I have met are into other chicks...that is if they are not threatened by the situation. Besides it is what I screen for." Anticipating his next question I moved on with " Look dude, when you find a Betty who is cute, playful and has a good attitude, be casual and congruent as you mention that "you usually only date bi-curious and bisexual girls," but mention that "you can still be friends with her if she hasn't opened up yet, to feeling whole, in her relationship with herself and others."
This kind of statement will cut through the chase.
*** Please Note***
Sometimes you can get the bad responders who will get kind of bitchy. You will easily recognize this type, they have bad attitudes and rude things to say. They are usually just ungrateful, so leave and quit wasting your time... Just remember those kind of girls are not your type. Unless you are screening for misery. In which case, I would suggest going out with women from the previously mentioned group ladies in the sex industry.
The good responders will get dilated eyes, their breathing will shift, and pleasant thoughts will race through their mind and body. They will be smiling with a playful attitude, and in general be pleasant to chat with. This is the type of girl you might want to consider as part your stereo set-up.
Anyway, this L A guy heads off into the evening... A couple hours later the guy calls us on a cell phone all excited. He told me what I already knew... When he started out, at first he kept running into these bad responders. But he wanted to test what I had told him, so he kept going. (Perseverance always wins the cookie. Some days it’s cookies, some days it is crumbs.) Soon he found a good responder who said she really liked his honesty. Then she told him "let's get my girlfriend and get out of here." I interrupted him at this point to ask "if she said yes, where is she and why the fuck are you on the phone with me?" I forget his exact response, but that is irrelevant anyway. He said something like " I told the girl I had to go to the men’s room and I just wanted to tell you thanks and that this stuff really works and... Blah, blah, blah..." I gave him some words of encouragement, as I yelled into the phone " shut the fuck up, hang up, don't call anyone else, leave your tape recorder in the car. Get back to
the girls or they will leave without you...." and then I hung up. I can't believe some people. What the fuck was he thinking and why the fuck was he calling me at a time like that?
After all, if he really wanted to express his gratitude, he could stuff some money into an envelope and mail it to my P.O. Box. Then I would believe he was being sincere.
Clifford, you are right, I am clear with what I want and I might be fairly direct. But also if something or someone is unacceptable, I get it or them immediately removed from my environment. My life is better because of this attitude. Look man, I like to enjoy what I do. I make very little time for adjusting into Other People’s Perceived Dramas. When a person clears the bullshit thoughts and people out of their life, it can only improve.
You know what Clifford... I don't even know if this is what you are asking me for... As I am typing this shit, I am thinking to myself, Getting action is so simple, what is the problem and what are they asking? In my experience if you want something, you just find a resource, negotiate a fair and equitable outcome, consider the opportunity cost. If the value of the experience is worth the cost, pursue it. If not move on. I have hung out with you and your buddy David. That dude is funny, but he is also direct about what he wants and he gets it.
While I am writing this my kid came in. He is in high school and kind of direct. He looked at what I wrote and said " Dad, don't they get it? If a girl reads Cosmo, or acts like a bitch. You just shut up and walk away. Go find a girl that is nice. Nice girls will buy you the kind of burrito you like and bring it over, even when you didn’t ask for it. Or they will come to watch me play Lacrosse. The bitchy girls have these whipped guys following them around, and they pretend to ignore these guys. It is a waste of time, but some guys like to put up with that stuff."
Cliff: Steve, I want to thank you for taking the time to give us a little insight about yourself. I think because you haven't been giving seduction seminars and most people who have heard about you did so by seeing you at the DYD seminars you attended or from comments made here (and probably some other incomplete comments made elsewhere in the community), most people look at you as a bit of mysterious figure. I hope this interview will give everyone a good introduction to you and the qualities of yours that I have come to know and respect.
Mystery:
I am on the cover of this month's Saturday Night Magazine. There's an 8 page article about me. Look out for it in magazine racks nation-wide in Canada. (www.saturdaynight.ca/html/04cover_july.php)
Ok, you can't learn to ride a motorcycle from a book. You need to get on a motorcycle, and if you train with a pro, you can win races. Similarly, to get good at the pick-up arts you must train ... in-field. To become great, you must train in-field ... with a pro.
I invite you to my upcoming MM Boot camp in Hollywood - July 16 17 18 - to train with me. If you have any questions or to sign up, speak to me in person at 323-219-8696. I have other dates in other cities that are filling fast too. It's about time you really got in the game.
Imagine 3 days of theory taught in seminar. Day one = MM structure, day 2 = material and day 3 = individualizing and advanced tactics. Imagine 3 nights of hard core in-field experience. A dozen coached approaches a night! PLUS! One year monthly phone consultations with me to keep you in the game and correct sticking points. I want to make your transition into the real PUA lifestyle as complete as possible. Oh, and how does a one year subscription to my top secret iron bolted Mystery's Lounge Online sound? Only 5 people are permitted to participate in this life-changing event. Call my cell anytime after 11am LA time. I'm up late.
We need to talk. Man to man.
Maximillian Hell:
> Toecutter: "We are the wrong people for this guy to come to. We are players. We tool with the minds of pretty girls who are super validated and know they are the shit."
Maximillian Hell: I think I would interpret your point a bit differently. I don't think it is a difference between 7s and 9s, or even between players and ordinary guys. A lot of game I see on this list is aimed at young, drunk, dumb club girls. Not mature women. Compare it to Mark B’s game (I'm thinking of his recent lay report). Unfortunately we don't really see so much of that style here. But it strikes me that similar principles apply, regardless as to the target-- confidence and no supplication.
Mark B.:
I met this blonde back in January. We met each other at a nightclub, exchanged e-mails and chatted on MSN. Somehow we drifted and did not talk again until late May. We made plans but each time she flaked out each time. Having nothing to lose I finally told her what I wanted to do to her specifically - lick her pussy, fuck her like an animal and make her cum all over and that I want to take her to a dirty, sleazy motel room where we could do all that. She laughed. Later in the conversation she offered me a definite date and said I could pick her up. When I did she said I could take her wherever I wanted. Naturally we proceeded to a motel on the Queensway in Toronto. Upon entering she immediately stripped naked, lay on the bed and said "well you want to lick my pussy what are you waiting for?" So I did.
In my conversations with her she said she was not into having casual sex and does not simply offer herself up sexually to just anyone. But when I mentioned what I wanted to do to her i.e. lick her pussy, make her cum, fuck her like an animal, she somehow did not mind that sort of talk and offered herself to me. When I banged what was she having? Sex, right?
So I looked back at the women with whom I was with this year and in years past. The ones that I got to sleep with within a short time, were the ones that I told what I wanted to do to them specifically. That being lick her pussy, make her cum all over, fuck her like an animal but not mention sex. It seems the word sex within itself to women tends to have some sort of a taboo sound to it. That nice girls and women don't have sex, they fuck and get fucked, have the pussies licked and cum with a guy, but they don't have sex.
In my experience with women and something that has led to a lot of frustration was my lack of understanding how women tend to define things. For example, a married woman may fuck some guy from her office or at a party, but when asked if she cheated on her husband, she says "no", that banging this guy was simply "having fun" or "irrelevant to her marriage". You get my drift here? But when looked at in terms of her actions, she did cheat on the guy.
Hence I feel that when we can define what she is doing in such as way as to make it acceptable to her, we can easily overcome her mental blocks to doing what she would otherwise do. It took me until recently to really figure this one out and for years I could not understand how a woman would say she did not want a relationship, yet would act like she was in one or vice versa or she would say she was not into having casual sex yet fucked within a short time or said she was very sexual but did not follow through on her claims.
I think it's indeed important to keep in mind the importance of this point. Especially when attempting to overcome some sort of an objection or sticking point, that perhaps the real key is to redefine how we describe and call what we want to do. This of course in addition to boldly going for what we want.
I think the main objective of every guy on this list is to get laid, and have perhaps some sort of a relationship as a distant second. Having this sort of tool or at least mental awareness tends to add yet another powerful tool to our batbelt.
Over the years I got away from my direct, bold approach, mainly as a result of having an interest in seduction literature, but as many things go full circle I am now more convinced than ever of the importance of going for what you want openly and boldly with no apologies.
On another level I have also become aware of what many men consider attractive physically to women. Many guys that do not do well with women tend to think they need to look like GQ male models to impress a woman and given that, they don't even try to initiate a simple conversation because they think there is little they can do to change how they appear. When I told one guy that being attractive meant not having a fat gut, love handles or a second chin or not being bone rack skinny, having clear and clean skin, a clean haircut, a slight tan, some decent clothes and being in somewhat decent shape he could not believe that was all it really took. In most cases that is all.
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Ole Flirty Bastard:
I was at the Real Social Dynamics live program in Montreal last weekend, and had a blast. I thought I'd review it, but instead of doing it in the traditional manner ("This is what happened, etc., etc."), I'm going to review it in light of some of the criticisms I've heard about them in the community. RSD's been taking flak from a few sources on the net lately (including from their competitors of course), and I'll address those accusations in light of my recent experience with their program.
--RSD Instructors take over students' sets and show off
I heard an accusation that the RSD instructors take over their students' sets and blow them out, to show what they could do and to get an ego boost. First, although I did see instructors jump into my sets at times, this was when the set was about to be lost anyway, believe me. Second, as demonstrations these were EXTREMELY valuable. Keyboard jockeys take note, you have to actually SEE this stuff happen to fully appreciate what's possible. For example, at one point Xaneus opened a 2-set from Denver I'd just lost after 60 seconds with the SAME opener I'd used...and number-closed them 5 minutes later. And the REAL eye-opener of that night for me was watching Toecutter approach a seated set of EIGHT HB9's and get them excited and engaged and seeking rapport with him within 2 minutes. It was a real eye-opener to see that an average-looking guy could just step in and be the center of positive attention in a group of hotties so quickly.
--Students don't get individualized attention
If you want individualized attention, then I'd imagine the best place to find it would be at the "Individualized" Boot Camp program, not the workshop. That's the reason the former costs nearly 3 times the price. With this in mind, there were still 8 RSD instructors and 8 high-caliber guest instructors for 27 students! That's more than 1 instructor for every 2 students, about as close as you're gonna get to individualized training for the price of the group workshop.
--RSD instructors pull based on looks
Let's be honest here. There's a dichotomy in the community when it comes to looks. When the RSD guys posted their photos on the net, they were accused of being full of crap and pulling based on looks. When Gunwitch posted his pic, he was accused of being full of crap, and people said "That guy's ugly. There's no way he gets laid!" It's a damned if you're hot, damned if you're not dichotomy. The truth is that all of the RSD guys, perhaps with the exception of PlayboyLA, are average-looking young guys. They have some features that are a bit off just like a normal person, and they aren't ripped calendar boys. I'm sure it would be great for marketing if they were all deformed and obese and pulled 10s, but they're not. Now what separates them from other average-looking guys is that they've developed a distinct style that suits each one of them, and this is something that anyone can do with a little help. I'll be sure to smile if I ever hear someone say Tyler pulls with his looks again--in person the guy resembles
an albino version of Pyro from the X-men comics (no offense dude, I still love ya!)
--RSD programs don't improve your "inner game"
It's true that RSD didn't do any "change work" during the weekend, if by that we mean physical or mental exercises that instantly boost a participant's confidence. The closest thing we had to "change work" was getting pushed into set to see that it wasn't that hard after all, and it's not the end of the world if you get tested or rejected. By the third day, I could see that most of the guys there were much more confident in-set on day 3 than on day 1. One soft-spoken Asian guy who could barely get an opener out without becoming tongue-twisted on day 1, was able to hang in-sets for a couple minutes on day 3--a massive improvement when viewed in perspective. To their credit, the RSD seminar did have a presentation by Deep6 on inner game, and he highly recommended several books to help our internal state.
--RSD programs don't include sufficient instructors for the number of students
Again, I have to reiterate that there were a combined total of 16 instructors for 27 participants. I was an unknown, and didn't make any demands, yet I got to learn from some really good instructors. None of them had any clue that I'd be reviewing the program after, or that I was active on the Internet scene until 3am Monday morning, so I didn't receive any special treatment. Despite that, Friday night I had No. 9 supervise me and give me feedback, Papa winged with me, and Marco the head of the NYC Lair and his wingman Psylock helped me out with my club game. On Saturday night, I had Xaneus and Toecutter supervising me and giving me excellent feedback. And on Sunday night, I had Sickboy and Jlaix supervise me and give feedback, and Tyler winged with me for one set. It was great that I had a talent pool like that at my service.
--Students are left alone in set or with a fellow inexperienced student/wing
Before the program I'd read complaints that students were often left alone for long periods of time. This DID happen, but again, this is to be expected since it wasn't an individualized boot camp program, and the instructors had other students to look out for...BUT on the first night, after an instructor spotted me just standing around a couple times, he came up to me and said that if I ever found myself unattended or needing a break from sets, the best thing would be to stand near ongoing sets and listen to instructors and their students/wings handle them. Again, the demonstrative value of this was priceless. Several times I was almost back-to-back with the girls that instructors were gaming, listening in. At one point I was practically within hugging distance behind a 2-set that PlayboyLA was working on for 20 minutes, and he had them so in-state the whole time that they didn't even notice or care that I was standing right behind them.
--RSD methods only work in clubs and bars with dumb chicks
One last criticism I've heard about RSD methods is that they're made for bars and clubs and drunken floozies, and only work in that environment. Well, about 3/4 of my time on Friday was spent outdoors, gaming sets at the Montreal Jazz Festival. 3/4 of my time Saturday was spent on Prince Arthur street (a pedestrian mall), gaming walking sets and sets seated at outdoor Terraces (Toecutter's 8-set was seated outside an ice cream parlor). On Sunday night half my time was spent in a bar, and the other half was split between an outdoor terrace on the roof of a hotel, and on the street in front of the clubs. And you know what? I found in all cases the sets I gamed OUTSIDE went better than the ones inside the clubs. And I've used a lot of the RSD routines and openers online in the past, and they worked extremely well there. So obviously their methods are applicable outside the club scene.
To sum up: RSD's live program won't work miracles, or turn you into an approach-God or master pick up artist in 3 days. What it CAN do is help fix your sticking points, ESPECIALLY your body language, and provide you with guidance on how to proceed after the program is over and you go back to your usual environment. A large part of the program depends on YOU and your participation (keeping occupied by listening or approaching rather than standing around, for example), and you can't expect anyone to do the work for you (if anything, the money I invested in the program was usually enough leverage/motivation to get my money's worth and take the initiative). All in all, RSD has a great product on their hands that's well worth the investment.
I also learned some interesting Real Social Dynamics news this weekend: Tyler's currently spending about 6 hours a day writing an e-book that should be released pretty soon. A video seminar product is also in the works, and after its release RSD plans to scale back on the live seminars and focus more on in-field workshops. You heard it here first.
Some of my personal highlights of the weekend: Getting bounced out of a bar called Thursdays after about a dozen of us gamed all the girls in the bar without buying any drinks; having some soon-to-be-married chick come up to our group and try to sell us her g-string for 5 dollars on a dare (Ten-Magnet and No. 9 tried to bargain her down to a quarter and a nickel, respectively); and getting blown out of a set by a piece of heavy equipment at the Jazz Festival (long story).
Schematic (reposted from Mystery's Lounge with permission of the author):
Direct game as it really is.
This has been under-development and testing on and off since January '04. It's not complete yet, but you can read on some of the things that have boosted my game over 100 percent. I've been pulling off some amazing things with the stuff I've developed. Here's a sample of NORMAL reactions I get:
- I can open almost every single girl I approach. No canned openers, it can be as simple as "Hi" or "How are you?"
- Girls hold doors for me, start conversations with me. Their eyes go wide when I talk to them and I can tell I intimidate a good majority of them.
All this is easy for me now. I'm used to this and none of it surprises me, and I know that this is possible for anyone.
First, let's look past all the bullshit. We all know that nearly every girl has her "knight in shining armor" fantasy. Now you'll meet girls in relationships or girls who just aren't looking, but that's bullshit. Some part of them wants to meet a guy who totally sweeps them off their feet. Routines are great to get comfortable, but lets cut to the chase.
The following is the basis of the "method" I use now. This is ONLY what works for me, so read it and try it, but don't cry to me if you can't make it work. I am NOT the next Internet idol.
SELF-CONTROL
Before we can even expect to command a set or single a girl out of a set we need to know how to control ourselves. You've got to be completely comfortable talking with and flirting with women, which isn't that difficult to develop. Practice being outgoing, talk to women and men and anyone you see. This type of comfort is something only field experience can give you.
When I approach a girl, I'm very calm with myself. There's none of that "pressure" to fill the gaps of conversation or to keep things going. If you were to attach a monitor to my brain, you wouldn't see a difference between the way I am while typing this thing and the way I am when in a set. This doesn't mean I'm not involved, it just means I'm comfortable, and that's really important.
You've got to learn to let go of the feelings that you have to run game or you have to say something to keep the sarge going. You gotta be able to just let go of everything and just express yourself however you want.
You have to KNOW, not think, that you are going to take the interaction in whatever direction you decide.
A lot of guys on here are guilty of the same shit I used to be guilty of. I used to worry about shit that "might" happen or feel like I needed to seduce an entire room to prove I was the "most alpha" guy there. If you go that route, you're playing a losing battle. You will never be able to control anyone or any situation outside of yourself, so stop worrying about shit and deal with things in front of you NOW. You do NOT need to sarge every woman you see, you do NOT need to do some crazy "out-alpha" destroyer on every guy who happens to be around when you're talking to your girls. All you need is the patience and knowledge to know that if you act as if your girl is attracted, she will reach her "point of uncertainty" (POU, described later) and you can set the frame from there.
The most important thing to learn is to be comfortable with yourself. If you can control yourself and the way you choose to react to any given situation, you can never lose.
sarge CONTROL
Ultimately, you have WAAAAAY more control over the sarge than you'd ever imagine. I'm willing to bet that most of the time, the point where you think a sarge goes wrong is really only in your head, but this is great news. You can control the sarge from beginning to end by just adjusting your state of mind. You can take a sarge from the edge of hell, to really great, simply by believing and acting congruently with the knowledge that she will follow you.
Now, you are going to encounter women and men that do not initially follow your frame. However, this does not mean you react to their unwillingness to follow. You need to proceed exactly along the same frame of mind as you started with. Every single person has the point where they stop believing in what they think they know and start questioning the validity of what you have to say. This point is what I'm calling the "Point of Uncertainty" (POU). The mere fact that we KNOW that everything in our minds is just a belief means we're ahead of the game. You have to have the confidence to go all in on whatever frame you set and not acknowledge any of the stupid tests you will get.
As an example, I'll use a 4 set I worked the night before starting this post. I was dancing with my target when I freaked her out by giving too much kino (I put my arm around her while she was grinding in front of me). She ran to the other side of her set, but I just stood there. I looked at her friends who were giving me the "creepy go-away" look like they were all absolutely crazy. I said hi to a few of her friends, but I stayed with the way I felt. I know this girl wanted me, even if she can't show it on the surface. I knew that deep down, past whatever bullshit she might put up, that she wanted to be fucked by me. This is what brought her back. (I did leave the set on my terms and re-open them a few minutes later.)
Just know deep down that sooner or later, the girls you talk to WILL follow you. It's not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN. This is what they really want anyway.
GIVE, DON'T TAKE
You can't expect to get ANYTHING in return for nothing. Yes, you can get lucky by being a total asshole to some LSE little girl who thinks you provide validation, but honestly you have to GIVE before you can expect anything in return. If you can learn to make women feel better about themselves for having met you, then you are quite ahead of the game.
This ties in tightly with your view of the world. If you take a stance that says everyone around you is against you, or everyone is trying to pawn you off to look better, then that's the world you'll live in. There are processes going on in our minds that we will never understand, and we will *NEVER* see the world as it TRULY is. So while we're all living in our own shell of self-delusion, lets make it the best one we can for ourselves.
Give as much as you can, but don't do it because you want anything. Do it because you know it will be back, in one form or another. This one will take you time to see and takes a bit of faith to completely accept, but you'll get here in time. This is my rapport game.
CONSISTENCY IS NOT CONGRUENCE
You can do anything you want during a sarge. You can enter high energy, switch to low energy, and switch back to high energy even within the same line and get away with it. Your sarge doesn't need to be consistent, but you HAVE TO be congruent with yourself. Congruency is the lack of self doubt or analyzation, when you are 100% behind the actions you do.
I know every guy who reads this has tried a line that someone else made work and it didn't work for you. The actual line itself doesn't matter, words are just fillers for tonality. However, I'm willing to bet that when that line worked is when the guy delivering it was completely behind whatever he was saying. He was setting the frame using tonality and felt very sure that the line would work. See, it doesn't matter what the line is, you decide the outcome before it ever gets out of your mouth.
BODY LANGUAGE
1. Lean back on yourself
2. Move at your own pace
3. Control your action/reactions
4. Use silence to your advantage
Follow these basic rules above. The MOST important thing you can learn is to be in control of yourself. Every muscle you move should be a conscious decision, not some nervous twitch or dramatic arm fling. In this world, the *ONLY* thing you'll ever control is yourself and you'd damn well better learn to settle yourself down if you expect to make any progress.
Don't be too literal with the rules above, you're supposed to be having fun and really that's all that matters as the outcome. I go out and some nights I won't even sarge because I'm more interested in having a good time for ME than wasting it talking to girls I'm not that interested in.
A word of warning though, you will find the majority of girls you meet, regardless of looks, quite uninteresting.
BACK TO CONTROL
If you haven't noticed a trend in this post, you're being an idiot. I cannot over-stress how much power you hold when entering a sarge. You can take these girls to the ends of the world, and shape the face of the world or even, human history, with the knowledge that people will follow you. This goes WAY beyond picking up girls to fuck, this is life.
The world is EXACTLY as you see it. Every single interaction, exactly where you are in the world is so because of the way you've reacted to the events around you. Every time you get shit on, every time you win, every place you end up is because of your decision to be there. Now find the balls to create the future as you want it to be.
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Please send them to him at david@be-relentless.com. I would recommend you copy me as well (cliff@cliffslist.com) so I will make sure they get answered.
All subscribers of these emails will be given a free subscription and, as here, you can unsubscribe at any time. I know that you will find his comments and advice to be pretty unique and very useful. We are also making progress on the long awaited book which we hope will be ready relatively soon now.
The tapes of the David Seminar are now available and are being shipped upon receipt of your order, but please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. You can visit the website at www.be-relentless.com and orders should be made through paypal (go to www.paypal.com and send money to sales@be-relentless.com) if you need some other way to make payment, inquire at info@be-relentless.com. This product comes on two DVD discs for a total of approximately 6 1/2 hours of playing time. The price is $230 USD + $20 USD for the DVD which covers shipping and handling anywhere in the world. Inquire about shipping by overnight courier. These tapes are now available in a sound only version also.
Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available. David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual problems with certain women. You can get on the phone, answer his questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on how to succeed in your particular mission.
PLEASE NOTE: This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of www.doubleyourdating.com (who has posted some great stuff here under the name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of www.davidshade.com).
Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List. Also note: RSD will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Schedule:
Classroom Seminars ($200 deposit required for signup)
Amsterdam Seminar - $300 - August 28-29, 2004
London Seminar - $300 - September 4-5, 2004
Melbourne Seminar - $300 - October 15-16, 2004
Sydney Seminar - $300 - October 22-23, 2004
New York Seminar - $300 - November 12-13, 2004
San Francisco - $300 - December 3-4, 2004
In-Field Workshops ($200 deposit required for signup)
Amsterdam Workshop - $600 - August 27-29, 2004
London Workshop - SOLD OUT - $600 - September 3-5, 2004
London Workshop - $600 - September 9-11, 2004
Melbourne Workshop - $600 - October 14-16, 2004
Sydney Workshop - $600 - October 21-23, 2004
New York Workshop - $600 - November 11-13, 2004
San Francisco Workshop - $600 - December 2-4, 2004
Individualized Boot-Camps ($200 deposit required for signup)
Los Angeles Bootcamp - $1500 - July 16-18, 2004
Los Angeles Bootcamp - $1500 - July 23-25, 2004
Los Angeles Bootcamp - $1500 - July 30-August 1, 2004
Los Angeles Bootcamp - $1500 - August 6-8, 2004
Los Angeles Bootcamp - $1500 - September 17-19, 2004
Los Angeles Bootcamp - $1500 - September 24-26, 2004
Los Angeles Bootcamp - $1500 - October 1-3, 2004
Los Angeles Bootcamp - $1500 - October 8-10, 2004
Go to www.realsocialdynamics.com/ to signup for these events on their schedule.
Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
London, England September 3, 4, 5
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
Cancun, Mexico November 7 thru 13
Your Mind in Business
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
Dallas, TX June 21-25
Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has announced his schedule for 2004:
*Beyond Seduction In Montreal -- July 16-18
Cliff's Comment: MONTREAL!!!!
*Introduction To Hypnosis -- The New Curriculum -- Las Vegas September 20-24
This year we were asked by a national hypnosis group to develop a New Curriculum for the training of hypnotists -- one which would reflect the absolute best of what has always worked while incorporating our own cutting-edge discoveries. We wanted a curriculum that was so comprehensive in explication and exercise that the graduates could walk into an internship anywhere in the world, secure that they were the best-trained hypnotists in the place. The result is being rolled out over five days in Las Vegas. This is your chance to immerse yourself in the most comprehensive approach to powerful, positive, permanent change ever presented!
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about these seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus" such as Ben (), David X, and many others.
2004 Tentative Seminar Schedule:
London, England, July.
New York September.
Las Vegas beginning of December.
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.playboylifestyle.net
NEW BADBOY WORKSHOPS IN RIO DE JANEIRO:
The dates are:
August 5-6-7
August 12-13-14
August 19-20-21
There are seats available now.
Price : $850
You can make a deposit ($100) for a workshop on Paypal and send money to: nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
Thundercat's Seduction Lair
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
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www.thundercatseductionlair.com/ebook.htm
Impact Interaction (www.impactinteraction.com) @ London
Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.
The workshops include:
- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear
- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance
- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…
For more information go to www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.
Have you ever asked yourself...
* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?
* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?
* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?
Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)
Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.
Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.
There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.
"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"
www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm
Maximillian Hell:
I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.
www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell
Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):
http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: www.dynamicsexlife.com/
Daniel:
If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
Carlos Xuma:
Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, sex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm
A few sites to check out:
Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).
Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com
The Foundations of Seduction
Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and
drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD www.sexualkey.com/
LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
To find out more about "Freedom with Women", contact
davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com
HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. howtosucceedwithwomen.com/
Advanced Macking:
In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm
Michael: If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level,you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminar in Toronto, August 14th and 15th. It will be two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level. There are also going to be awesome guest speakers at the seminar: Smooth, the President of the Toronto Lair, will lend his rich experience and expertise in several areas, including real seductions of hotties online. There will also be another awesome dude at the seminar - he goes by the name of Scorpeus, his story and transformation into a PUA is inspiring in itself, and he will share his insights as well. To learn more about this special seminar, go to: www.thedatingwizard.com/
And follow the "Seminars" link. And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started. Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!
Download it now at:
www.thedatingwizard.com/ And follow the link to "About The Dating Wizard" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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