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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.set nalife.com. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca .
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover in Montreal on August 27-29 (Sold out, sorry!), and in Toronto on October 22-24. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
Vini Hollywood (reposted from Mystery's Lounge with permission of the author):
Stalking! aka Phone Game
When I ask guys about their flake-outs and numbers not going anywhere, it surprises me to learn alot of guys are calling one time and leaving a message and expecting a call back. Then they will "next" a chick and call her a flake. What is wrong with you people?
Girls don't know how to make phone calls!
Once you get the number - continue to call until she changes her phone number!
Here are some "rules" or better, guidelines....
1. Whenever you call... do it 3 times in a row.
2. If she doesn't answer the third time leave a generic "hi, it's me" message. The reason being; you are the only guy in the world of course she knows who me is. "I'll be going in and out - try to catch me - or "I'll call u later" - that's it.
3. Call later. Same day, next day - whatever. You don't have to leave a message this time.
4. A few days later you can call again. Same thing 3x.
5. When you finally catch her, spike her BT
(Buying Temperature) with a funny story then cut her off. I gotta do something - pay my bill, floss my cat, whatever. I'll call you in an hour. And then don't.
6. Repeat.
7. When you speak to her again, spike BT pitch to hang with "We should hang." She will say "tonight?" and then you say "no, silly, geez are you fast - I'm busy... why you're free?" and gauge if you can get her tonight. Otherwise tell her how busy you are and then ask "what about you?" When she tells you, say "I'm busy that day, but I might have a few minutes." If she says "OK" ask "Alright... I'm gonna put aside a few minutes... but is there anything that might prevent you from making it?" Anything other than a solid NO say "That's iffy... I'm not gonna make time unless you know for sure... Tell you what... I'll call you later" and then don't.
8. Repeat.
9. Once you get a solid "date" call her a few times before just to tell her what you are doing. Again call a few times until she picks up. Call her before the meet and tell her "You just got out of the shower"
a. to get her to imagine you naked..lol and
b. to gauge if she is gonna flake. This keeps her "warm"
10. If you think you need to add comfort tell her some friends will be there - 2 girls and 1 guy and that she should look nice and don't be like she always is because you've got an image to uphold.
11. If you can't see yourself meeting with this chick anytime soon, call every so often just to keep her warm. If you are in constant contact, she won't forget you. You don't have to pitch anything, just cut her off and tell her you have something to do. Tell her you'll call back in an hour. And then don't.
12. Tell her the reason you are calling is you're stuck in traffic and you want her to entertain you.
13. If she goes on to flake, tell her you are disappointed in her and that you went out of your way by hiring a limo, had flowers imported from Bolivia, hired a private chauffeur, flew a concert violinist from France to make the night special. Say this in a way that she knows your BSing and you know it but you don't care. Also make fun at whatever excuse she gives you - you gotta go with your mom? How cute, a little momma's girl - will she let you stay up past your bedtime for doing your chores?
14. If you finally catch her after leaving messages or calling several times - don't tell her you called. If she asks if you have say "hmmmm it's possible."
15. Go back to the golden rule - call until they change their number.
Remember, a LSE (Low Self Esteem) guy will always stop calling or next a chick too soon. ALWAYS. It is a guy with brass balls that will do a routine like the above. In the phone game it is a game that the last man standing will get the lay. Really.
Work it like a cold-call (actually warm because they told you to call) business. Pick a time every day that you will work your list and do the above.
What's funny is that you will find there is a breaking point. You will notice that at first you will be the one stalking by phone, but then there will be a point where the tables turn and she will call when she says and want to meet you.
I went through this with my friend DJ just last night. He called a girl and left a message. I coached him through it. He didn't want to do what I said. "Isn't that too much... I should call again?"
Had he NOT done the above, he wouldn't have the date (my gut feeling). You gotta stalk. Call and keep calling. Walk them through the process.
After you drop off your mom.. what do you do next? Walk them through meeting you. They are like little incompetent babies that need their hand held through the whole thing. They need a big hard.... lead...
I swear under oath my friend Tony has phone numbers from 1980 - seriously. He must have 100K of them. He calls them ALL. No Joke. He gets laid almost every night.
and a guy asked me what about when you get a cell phone number and your name & number get registered on their caller ID feature?
This just occurred to me. LEAVING A MESSAGE WITH YOUR PHONE NUMBER IS LIKE GIVING HER YOUR NUMBER INSTEAD OF TAKING HERS AND WAITING FOR HER TO CALL!!!!!!!!!!!
Now if there was a FR (Field Report) and a guy said "she asked for my number instead and I gave it to her".... we would rip him a new asshole.. right? same thing.
Would caller ID work against you? NO.
Calling 3 times and not leaving a message communicates - I DON'T HAVE TIME TO LEAVE A MESSAGE AND I KNOW YOU SO WELL THAT LEAVING A MESSAGE IS A WASTE OF MY TIME BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU CALL ME I'LL BE TOO BUSY TO ANSWER ANYWAY. I'M TOO BUSY FOR GAMES... I AM GONNA TALK TO YOU WHEN I WANT!!!!!!!!!!!
Another thought that just occurred to me. Leaving a message implies you are waiting for their call. No? So why would you? ha
I want to talk to you right now, so you can go ahead and ignore me but I'm gonna keep calling - I don't care if it bothers you at all. And get this.... leaving several messages telling her to call you back is like giving her your number every time you see her... ha...
In fact my standard.... "Hi, it's me... I'm in and out all day... so you can try to catch me... otherwise I'll call you later" is sooo smooth... "Hi, it's me - I am so confident that I don't even have to tell her my name... she must know who I am. That's how fucking cool I am. "I'm in and out all day" - in and out... you mean like fucking? In and out like doing errands? "You can try to catch me" - I'm that cool that she can try... and she has to catch me? I am the catch... ha "Otherwise I'll call you later" - I will call her. Nice.
I'm not saying call multiple times everyday. Call every few days or so. If she says don't call or to stop - then of course stop. Although my friend Tony will say "ohhhhhhh..... so you don't want to talk to me right now?...... ohhhhhhh..... I gotcha.... yeah.... you know what... I'm gonna call you back in 6 months... and then you'll be ready...." and he hangs up. He really does call them in 6 months. I know that a good percentage of my closes started out with them flaking, not returning calls, etc., etc.
Same thing for my friend Tony. And the other night DJ would have got a flake too had he not done this routine.
You put alot of time into getting that phone number. What the Hell is another 30 seconds? Lets put it this way. You will close ALOT less if you are not persistent. I think we can all agree on that.
You definitely want to put most of your time into the higher payoff numbers. What Tony does is have a NO-CONTACT list. Those are the numbers that he can never reach anyone at after about a month of calling. Now with this list, he gets real creative. He notes the days and times he calls, and ups the time by 30 minutes to an hour on the following call. His theory is, there is a time when they are available.
He'll call from random numbers, pay phones, blocked IDs, etc., etc. And knowing him he probably covers a whole 24 hour time frame with his calls.
Also, he will continue to call until they change their number. He says they give out their number when their relationship is on the rocks. Since she gave out the number the BF (boyfriend) is back in the picture, because she threatened to leave him and actually gave her number out. But now they are trying to make it work.
This trying to make it work can last a few days to a few months - according to him, which makes sense.
You don't have to go as crazy as Tony. I definitely don't. But if you see the girl as valuable then what have you got to lose?
There are several reasons for calling three times in a row. Just tonight I called a girl, went straight to VM (Voice Mail). Second time same thing. Third time it rang and she picked up - sometimes the cell is out of area or they are on another line.
I actually saw my friend Tony do this and have it work. Then someone did it to me. I would hear the ringing and since I'm not on top of my phone, I would let it go to VM. The second ring, I was still away from the phone. But by the third call back I was there and ready to pick it up. I wasn't being flaky or playing games. I simply wasn't near the phone. This happens with girls. Sometimes they are in the middle of a convo (conversation) and don't get it right away. But a second or third call back and they are like "hold on... let me get this" and they answer. That is the reality.
Also, people near by will say "answer your phone"...lol
The question came up about what if you haven't spoken to them in a year? And in some cases what do you do when they don't remember you and there's a pretty lame vibe on the call, sometimes if it has been a really long time and it appears strange that you are able to tell them where you know them from?
Unfortunately I haven't tested anything past a couple of months. But if it goes to the ol' "where do I know you" blast right through that and not get into that thread at all. Spike the BT and then hang up. Don't get into where you met her AT ALL. Tell her she's still like the curious little kitten and you're gonna give her a saucer of milk and have her sleep on your porch in a box with the name Cuddles on it. Whatever. Spike the BT and tell her you'll call her later. If she doesn't remember you, you can bet she does want to know who you are now that you amped her up and left her hanging for some info.
Then the question came up of telling her that you are cleaning out your phone and challenging her by asking if her number is worth keeping.
I did that a long time ago and the response I got is I got a BF which if I got that now I'd know how to handle it "Cool... so I'll give you a call sometime" ha. I'd like to
hear the results from this one. BTW it is not uncommon to have to leave between 3-5 messages before you get a call back.
Mark B.:
I have a friend of mine who recently came back from playing soccer at a tournament in Europe. He also trains at my gym and works as a doorman at a nightclub in the city. While in Europe he lost about 10 pounds and added a few pounds of muscle and says that since he has come back, several of the same women that he hit on that before did not give him the time of day at the club, now suddenly appear a lot more interested and open and several have offered him their numbers. He has done nothing other then gotten himself in much better shape. I think that guys on this board would be much better off if they bought "The South Beach Diet" and some fitness book and hit the gym in addition to buying DYD or Swingcat's guide or any other seduction book.
But in addition to looking one's best the element of game contains expressing some ability to go for what you want and control over a situation. We all know that women love to fuck and be with men. So once a woman is engaged any sort of behaviour from her side indicating she does not want to fuck must be addressed with corrective action, meaning that we must address that she is not fulfilling her role as a woman. Women love a man in control and when we can tell her to "get over her problems" or "stop whinning and get her shit in gear" or "accept things that this is the way thing are and are going to be." It also includes addressing non sexual behaviour when she whines about traffic or bothers you while you are concentrating on something else. This sort of behaviour makes a woman most attracted to a guy because the guy is being a total guy, a real man, someone with whom she wants and needs to connect.
In essence as men we must be able to give her behavioural direction and tell her how we want her to behave because if we do not she will run circles around us and treat us like just another female, sympathetic, tampon girlfriend. I can now hear the feminist cry "he hates women, women need empowerment, women have been oppressed by men." Well all one needs to do is to have a good look at the type of make behaviour that results in women sleeping with other men - these men are dominant, yet not abusive, they are corrective and forward, yet not disrespectful or demeaning, they are bold, yet not vulgar. Yet the men that become panty and tampon male girlfriends, listen to her whine bitch and complain and let her bitch about some other guy who fucked her over, never gets laid.
The key is to never become that whinning post and never allow her to impose some sort of behaviour on you which does not lead to fucking. If she does not take your lead and direction, then let her go as scores of willing and more able women are waiting in the wings.
Uriah:
> Mark B.: In addition to having good hair it also comes down to physical equality and appeal in a broad and general sense. We as men desire hot women, truly hot attractive, curvy stunning women. But what is lost here is that most men think they can get by on personality alone or on so called "game". And if he fails, then somehow it was due to his "game" or lack of some sort of cockiness or confidence or some other factor. And while exceptions do exist, indeed some short balding fat guy gets a truly hot stunning woman, these statistical out layers are too rare to work and rely on consistently over the long term. And just because we see some ogre with a beautiful woman we think that somehow he does this all the time with women of his choice. He does not. And if he does get a woman like that it's usually because she has not exposed herself to options out there and he represents someone who came out of the blue and shows her some attention or she has been hurt and disappointed in relationships and now settles wi
th a "safe" guy knowing he will not leave her. > I believe that it's important to have broad appeal in a physical sense so that we can succeed consistently with the women of our choice. We want to be able to get the lonely women as well as the ones that get a lot of attention from men and have their pick of the litter so to speak, irrespective of how stunning they appear, because even truly stunning women, will go for a less than average looking guy if she feels enough desire for a man but feels her options are somehow limited. > It truly amazes me how many guys who don't match up with women physically still pursue some truly hot women and then get upset at her if she does not respond or blames his lack of "game". If you go to google images and say type in "hot women" or something to that effect or even go onto some porn sites, you'll notice that these so called hot chicks are in great shape, they are fit, trim and have little to no stomach fat. > My question is, how can any guy who has fat on his stomach, is
out of shape and flabby, or does not take care of himself to the extent that she does, expect to be have a meaningful amount of success consistently, and please read here, CONSISTENTLY, with any women that stands several notches above him physically and takes great care of herself? He cannot and here is where the mistake lies - guys tend to think that all they need is better "game". They do BUT when they at least come close to her in terms of physical appeal first and work on "game" later. > I think that much of this so called "game" stems from having the ability manoeuvre around a disinterested or unmotivated woman to somehow motivate her into being interested in the guy. What I think most miss here is that when a woman is interested in a guy he does not need any "game" or "negs" or do sets or something to that effect. She responds to him positively and by her positive actions encourages him to show his best and take greater risks and chances with her. He is able to take greater risks and get her in the end.
> Somehow most straight men tend to miss this point and I believe that many women are to blame for making men think that their physical appeal is not important because how often have we heard women say they love a guy for his sense of humour, or his confidence, or his intelligence, rarely admitting the physical lust they feel? Far too many times. They tend to hide behind their non-physical facade, but all we need to do is to pay attention to the men to which they respond. > The guys with naturally decent looks - usually the guys with either great facial features regardless of their weight or simply ones that tend to be thinner (check Brittany Spears' fiance Kevin Federline) tend to coast through life with women all around them, somehow thinking it's their "game" or approach to women that gets them, because the women they get lie and suggest it was his sense of humour or his wit or some other non physical quality that first attracted her. Given their success with women they tend to be all cool and collected an
d not give themselves away emotionally and still have women around them. And then you get some jackass like Doc Love who comes around and suggests that we should all play it cool, when it fact the whole point is that attractive men can afford to be cool, because women will want them anyway but that does not necessarily mean that less appealing men can do the same and share equal success.
Uriah: I respectfully disagree. Maybe I'm just one of those fat guys with a nice face and hair who's 6'7", but I don't think appearance is important to getting laid consistently by hot women. It certainly raises the odds of any particular girl wanting to have sex with you, but that's not important to getting laid. It's a numbers game: go where there are girls. Flirt with lots and lots of girls (and guys). Flirt extra with the ones that have a great personality (for me, if they're above a 6, it's good enough). Get digits (may be skipped). Hang out alone. Wow her with your presence and insight. Get laid. Easy. The other thing-- we won't be handsome forever. There will come a time in all of our lives when we will be butt-fucking ugly. But your presence and insight only improves with practice and time. By being great, those girls capable of seeing and appreciating greatness will come to you. Who cares about the others? You remember that guy in Shallow Hal who walks on his arms? I've seen him working the bars. He
gets mad chicks, trust me, and not just the nursing students, and I doubt it was on his minor fame alone. You seem to subscribe to the physical equality theory of relationships. Even as a PUA, you still believe in this claptrap? I think you're forgetting the power of inner beauty. Girls are very adept at picking up on inner beauty, far better than most men. In fact, I'd say the majority of "game" is just learning to show (or fake) inner beauty. As an enlightened man (lol!), I can easily see which women have great personalities and potential for beauty just by looking at them (something I picked up shortly after my first Reiki Attunement, along with being able to see energy fields). ANYONE can see a girl who's really radiating inner beauty (think happy bride on her wedding day). I still know what a physically beautiful woman is, but there's no substitute for inner beauty. Getting with a woman who isn't beautiful on the inside is still better than a night alone, but they can never compare with the feelings of g
enuine compassion you feel for a TRULY beautiful woman. I was at a party of a friend of mine's (she looks like Angelina Jolie-- thank you nose job), and there was a chubby girl there. Maybe 25 pounds overweight, short, not fantastic looking, probably a 6 on looks alone. But she was by far the hottest girl there, and every single guy wanted to fuck the shit out of her. Hell, having never met her before, I wanted to fuck her rather than my friend HBAngelinaJolie (9). Why? Presence. Don't underestimate it. When you're riding an energy high, everyone can see it. Morose people smile and laugh (before retreating to their shells), people come up to talk to you, girls start touching you, you can really connect with people. I first experienced it on stage, playing the bari sax, having maybe 4 hours practice on the instrument, and for whatever reason, the audience and I connected, and I could do no wrong. Standing ovation every time I stood up to play a solo. Total fucking rush. I literally skipped around all day, too
ecstatic to believe what had happened to me. And from then on, I was hooked on performance. I did stand-up, I did stage plays, I did open mics and poetry slams. I learned to play guitar (panhandling is fun-- give it a try sometime). The sheer energy that a connected audience can put out is staggering. In an effort to connect to the energy, I tried LSD and mushrooms (more energy than I could handle at once), and I learned to pick up chicks (sexual energy is awesome). Now I've learned to manipulate energy through Reiki and Tai Chi, and I can use it to do anything I need to do. But no matter where you're getting it, if you have the energy, if you have the PRESENCE, chicks will flock to you, and it doesn't matter what you look like. If the word presence or energy doesn't connect to you, try thinking about it in terms of the Zone. Being your actions completely. Celebrating life completely. Pick a metaphor. Figuring this out was the best thing that ever happened to me. But hey, don't let me bully you around. What y
ou have going works for you-- you're handsome and fit, and you've got plenty of game to capitalize on your strengths, so don't worry about my fat ass and pompous self-aggrandizement. And I'll continue to be with women who make ME feel good and loving and happy. Maybe I won't be nailing the self-obsessed model who needs to bang you to massage her ego. But I can live with that. And I have the energy to dance, the energy to fuck all night, the energy to wow people with my physical presence, physically fit or not. I could certainly stand to lose some weight, and it is happening, slowly, as my diet improves (I cut out added sugar and preservatives, and all deep-fried food), and my energy work powers up. But I will NEVER have a flat stomach. I will never have a triangle shaped body or cut, toned muscle. Not every body can achieve that. No excuses, just pure fact. My frame is built for football, not bodybuilding. Not only do I not have a problem with that, I don't believe it's a hindrance. How can I hope to get chic
ks more than a couple notches better looking than me? I don't hope. I am who I am, and I am beautiful, and everyone can see it. You know, you're probably right. I'm probably limiting myself terribly by not working out every day-- limiting my selection of females, limiting my lifetime, whatever. I probably only get the fraction of girls who don't care particularly about my belly, or are attracted to my height or hair or car or lifestyle or face or presence or whatever. But so what? Why is it so important to get every damn girl on the face of the planet? If I only fuck 50 girls in my lifetime, instead of 500 if I was Adonis, have I been shortchanged? Hell no! That's still a lot of girls. If being fat means I only fuck girls who are really into my personality, then have I been shortchanged? Hell no! I mean, the unspoken goal on this list seems to be having sex with as many 9s and 10s as possible. It's about getting as high a rate of success as possible with HBs. Why? If a girl has a truly beautiful personality,
and has at least the requisite physical characteristics to be attractive, what does it matter if she's not a 9? Most 9s and 10s have terrible personalities (with important exceptions) and are horrible in bed. If I meet only 1 girl a month who is both into me and has a great personality/body combo, how is it wrong for me to want to bang her often and for a long time, rather than 5 new hotties every week? I mean, what percentage of women would you honestly want to talk to if you didn't want to bang them? Hey, <strut> I banged 15 hotties last week, ha ha! How many did you bang (ha ha!)? Who gives a shit? I just want to live life to its fullest and enjoy every fucking second, and I want to have truly beautiful women in my life with a minimum of drama. I have that. Somehow I fail to feel inadequate because I'm a fatass. Maybe you think I should be lonely and depressed because I'm so obviously weak? And what if I was Adonis, and could score any girl (between game and looks, how could I lose?)? What then? I get s
ome girl who looks down on those less attractive than her? Thank you, no. The world has plenty of people who view appearances as being all-important. I don't need to date them. Maybe it's just as well they don't want to date me. Oh, maybe you'll bring up some biological imperative for physical beauty. I'll casually point out that the modern definition of physical beauty has only even existed for around 50 years. Monroe was not a size 2. She was not a size 6. She wasn't even a size 8. She was a size 14. The number 1 sex icon in American history was NOT a workout queen. Why not? Because, as I've said before, the obsession with physical perfection is an aberration of our modern times, and is ultimately temporary. Why did she garner the adoration? Because she fucking GLOWED, man! She had PRESENCE that everyone could see! That was then, this is now. But even now, the percentage of women who still work along the historical, biological, emotional method of feeling attraction is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those who wo
rk purely along societal methods of judgement, and always has been. AND I consider any woman who bases attraction on such shallow things to be UNACCEPTABLE as a gf. If I was suddenly transformed into a Brad Pitt lookalike, I would STILL act accordingly. Why? Because judgementalness is unreasonable and I won't put up with it. Biologically, you can easily point out that we are programmed to look for healthy mates. That's absolutely true. The thing is, the thing women look for most when judging a man's health is NOT physical appearance. It's the glow they're looking for. Presence makes up for a LOT, trust me. Have you ever noticed that some women are idolized by not just men, but women as well? Angelina Jolie, Marilyn Monroe, these are women that EVERYONE is attracted to. Yeah, they're physically attractive, but so are hundreds of other actresses and models who DON'T have millions of otherwise heterosexual women attracted to them. What does this tell you about how women judge attractiveness? Yeah, physically fit
people live longer. Joyous people live forever. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go spread some joy. Live large, take chances, cherish freedom. Peace.
Gino:
Regarding teaching the sub conscious to become seductive: It's likely possible to improve and develop your personal attraction, with training your sub conscious to give yourself to have a masculine stare, I call it teaching yourself to behave super naturally. You can achieve easily by just using helpful men's magazines that feature professional models and others. For example, viewing pictures of nudes can help you get the masculine stare. If, however, you behave and use your inner attraction, and look into that girl's eyes, and smile, nudes in provocative poses will give you sort of a worldly glance, like how beautiful another a woman is in sensual positions. Finally, a look into the photographed face of a professional model, sort of teaches your mind to reflect what it sees and perceives as good. You will look at other women the same way you taught yourself from looking into the photograph.
Ross Jeffries:
The Technical Challenge ALL PUAS, Seducers and Players MUST Solve To Be Amazing With Women!
This morning, I was explaining to a married couple who I have seen around the neighborhood for some time, exactly what I teach guys. I told them that teaching the technical skills of talking to women, getting them turned on, and getting them in bed, was actually RELATIVELY easy. The really difficult challenge (and the achievement of which I am most proud) is about two things:
1. How do you take someone who has been mired in fear, failure, limitation, ineffectiveness, crappy results for YEARS and actually get them off of all of that long enough to get them taking the required steps? How do you get someone who has been in fear and anxiety OUT of that and get them taking the first actual, real steps?
2. Once you get them going, how do you keep them from falling back into old habits, old ways of thinking, old behaviors, old responses, old beliefs? Because, even if you get someone taking the right steps a few times, the reality is, things don't always work. So if you don't give them a way to stay on track, stay motivated, and continuing to learn the new skills, they will either FALL BACK INTO FEAR, or FALL BACK INTO FAMILIAR WAYS OF ACTING THAT ARE TOTALLY INEFFECTIVE(as in going back to be AFC after a few short attempts at what really works) and then they will have to fight and struggle just get back to where they left off.
This is what can make changing your behavior in ANY area of life feel like a draining struggle where you are fighting yourself.
A BIG REALITY OF CHANGING
The reality is, while the brain may notice what is new and different, usually, we only DO what is familiar.
Have you ever noticed, for example, that when people have been doing something that doesn't work, for along time, that is the very thing they defend and stick with when you try to help them to change?
This isn't even about self-sabotage either.
It's just that the brain does what is familiar. Unless you actively use your will and imagination, working together, to get out of your own way and program in new beliefs, behaviors, responses, when you get into the same situation, the brain will NOT ask:
What works best here?
The brain will usually just go:
Hmmm...what do I USUALLY do in this situation?
A second reality is this: even if you do manage, for a short while, to try out new ways of thinking, acting, feeling, planning, when you try out new stuff, you WILL make mistakes. Not only will you make mistakes, but often times, you will do everything seemingly right(such as, you have the right attitude, approach the woman properly, get her excited and aroused, but she still bolts on you) and things STILL don't work out to give you 100% of what you wanted.
In those circumstances, it isn't always easy to stay positive and focused on where you want to go, especially if you have had, in the past, a long history of fucking up.
Unless you have a process with supporting beliefs, to help you review what you did, give yourself credit for what worked, recognize mistakes without feeling defeated or bad, and program in what to do differently or additionally the NEXT TIME, you will also...
SLIDE RIGHT BACK INTO FEELING DEFEATED.
Look: it really doesn't matter, for the sake of THIS discussion, WHOSE system you decide to use (although I truly believe Speed Seduction® kicks every other method in the ass when it comes to real world applications that ANY guy of ANY looks category or ANY age can use).
Let's assume, just for the sake of this discussion, that ALL the various systems for getting women are of EQUAL VALUE, as far as what they teach you to do, externally, with women. You will still face the same technical challenges as far as getting past fear, old ways of thinking, old beliefs, old ways of reacting, acting etc.
Solving these challenges will make the difference between going to a training or getting a product and TEMPORARILY making some progress and...
.....BEING ABLE TO GO OUT IN THE REAL WORLD AND GET CONSISTENT REAL WORLD AWESOME RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why?
Because no matter WHAT "system" you use for external success with women, you are still dealing with YOUR brain and the way it acts and responds to fear, to new ideas, and to keeping yourself motivated, learning and on track.
So, here are some challenging questions I want to throw out, no matter whose system you are using, externally, to meet and attract/seduce women.
1.Is there a way to thoroughly and effectively and quickly take your ALL of your old programming: your old beliefs, ideas, responses, emotions, behaviors with women that haven't worked very well, and UNLINK FROM THEM COMPLETELY. Get them COMPLETELY out of your way, so you don't have to FIGHT through them to get to the new stuff?
2. Is there a way to review what you've done that gives you total clarity, lets you see what you did right so you keep in a positive direction, gives you the ability to clearly, without BAD FEELINGS or negativity, what you did incorrectly and what you have to do next?
3. Is there a way to mentally rehearse the new stuff that makes it seem SO real to your brain, that the NEW stuff is now as familiar as the old stuff USED to be, so you find yourself more naturally and easily DOING the new stuff?
Just for the sake of discussion, we can merge all these together under the category of meta-intelligence or meta-management: the management of your emotions, beliefs, actions, behaviors and learning in an area of life that FORMERLY frustrated or defeated you, to produced RAPID leaps up the learning curve and RAPID results in the world, WITHOUT having to fight old patterns, and without having to go through 5 steps forward/4 steps back.
Mastering this moves you VERY quickly up the learning curve for ANY externally oriented technology.
THE KEYS TO THIS META-INTELLIGENCE
The first aspect that needs to be address is teaching people how to create an unconditioned place of awareness inside. A mental "safe spot" where one is free from all old patterns so one can look with unfettered clarity and awareness-with great intelligence AND compassion for oneself-at whatever is going on.
There's a simple breath meditation I teach my students to create this place on a daily basis, taking about 10 minutes total. I'll happily post it, for free, if enough people request it, along with some testimonials from those who have used it. But you can also learn some simple mediation methods from lots of books.
The fact is, the practice of pranayama-guided and directed breath, with structured use of inhalation, exhalation and retention, has worked for thousands of years as a Yogic practice to still and decondition the mind from fixed patterns of behavior, response, feeling, etc.
We could get into HOW it works, but suffice to say the brain and the breath are linked intimately; as our emotions shift, so does our breath, and vice versa as well. Working with breath is especially useful to shut down an over-active flight/fight response in the limbic brain, so the creative/adaptive layers of the brain can kick in and give new ways a fair shot.
From there, one must learn to take on a certain set of beliefs that make learning ANY external skill and holding on to your vision of where you want to be, MUCH easier.
Here are the ones I teach to my students, to take on, once they've done the breathing meditation. I review these every day and make sure I incorporate them into any learning I need to do, with women or any other area. As your read these, just imagine if you could look at your greatest challenge in your life, THROUGH THE FILTER OF THESE BELIEFS. How would you feel differently about it?
(The practice of making beliefs real: wiring them into the right brain, symbolically, and into your physiology, is too complex to go into here. But we WILL be teaching it at this year's Speed Life Seminar in Cancun, Mexico. Email me for more information on this incredible seminar, starring some of the best and brightest methods and names in personal change and influence!)
EMPOWERING BELIEFS FOR LEARNING TO CHANGE OR DO ANYTHING:
1. I can learn to do anything.
2. If I haven't gotten where I want to, it's not a matter of destiny or fate. It's only a matter of time, technology, technique or circumstance.
3. I either get what I want or learn what I need to get something even better.
4. The resources and abilities inside of me are greater than any challenge I may face in the external world.
5. At any moment, I can connect into a source of power, wisdom, ability and skill that is without limit.
6. Learning is fun; when I don't know what to do next, my default response is to always take another step forward.
7. I always start with the best of what I've done SO FAR.
8. Clarity AND compassion are the keys to learning. Compassion for myself makes me willing to look clearly. Clarity makes the looking what I need to guide my actions.
Now, I don't care, for the sake of this article, WHOSE METHOD YOU ARE USING TO PULL CHICKS. Imagine applying it THROUGH the filter of these
beliefs as you move up the learning curve.
There's more, much more to all of this and the purpose of this is to start a discussion on this. I believe I've come up with practices that can make this ability a certainty for ANYONE and that ANYONE, no matter whose "system" they are using, can massively accelerate and massively enable their learning, FROM anyone, learning what I have to teach in this area.
Let me know what you think of this, and I will post more..and to find out more about Speed Life in Cancun, email me privately at:
sandworm77@comcast.net
Mark B.:
I highly recommend picking up and reading one the latest masterpieces of literary work; Jenna Jameson's "How to Make Love Like a Porn Star", autobiographical account of her life. In case you have never heard of her go to Google images and type in her name. Back in the mid 90's she was one of the biggest porn stars.
The reason for me suggesting this book is that it digs into the mind of one of hottest and most desirable women on the planet. Often we place these ultimate hotties on some sort of a pedestal but ultimately women such as these want and need to be loved, accepted and understood as much as anyone, irrespective of how they appear. This account of her life shows her as a normal human being in the sense of having the same fears, desires, needs and insecurities as everyone.
The book goes through the usual process of recounting the typical tale of a dancer/nude model/porn star which of course includes sexual abuse, drugs and emotional neediness.
Key notes of interest for me here was how insecure she was about herself and how she hung on to her first BF Jack, despite neglect, abuse, and other emotional baggage. She also recalls how when she started dancing she quickly realized that men want and need to be fooled and can be so with the promise of sex or attention.
From her dancing days, she also underscores the need to have one's physical appearance in perfect order in order to propagate the perfect fantasy - no chipped nails, no circles under the eyes, hair washed and smelling great, no calluses on the toes, no worn out shoes. This made me think of the point I made in a couple of posts back about looking one's best.
She also recalls how she got into the porn industry, by revenge and how porn for her became a way to empower herself. She says "fuck Gloria Steinem." I found that interesting.
She also talked about how finally the guy whom she ended up marrying and to whom she is currently married saw her for who she really was and treated her as such. He would come to her rescue and kissed her butt but also would not allow her to get away with any deviant behaviour. He stood up to her and held his ground and in her words he "made me feel like my old self again, Jenna Misouli, not Jenna Jameson, the porn star". With legions of flings - Marilyn Manson, Tommy Lee and other regular guys, she chose a guy who did not take her shit, yet was there for her and treated her like gold. Something to ponder.
Other curious bits - she says Howard Stern is really very well hung, and only claims he is not for shock value. Bruce Willis once came up to her and kissed her for 30 seconds and then invited her to his limo, she did not go. Sylvester Stallone again acted like a dick when he was with her. She wanted to fuck Nikki Sixx, from Motley Crue, but did not because she was on her period. She had several real life lesbian flings. She picked up and fucked several guys that she perceived as being hot - square jawed and in great shape - again underscoring the need to be as fit as possible. She describes the best way for a guy to get into the porn business.
Overall a fun, fast paced, interesting read. I highly recommend it.
Cliff's Comment: This book is written by none other than Style! Style lives at the Project Hollywood Mansion and was interviewed here on my list a while ago. In real life, Style is a rock writer who has written books on Motley Crue & Marilyn Manson, as well as features for Rolling Stone Magazine and the New York Times.
PROMOS & REVIEWS SECTION (there are NO paid ads in this list and never have been. The "commercial" section is distinguished by the "--------------" separators):
DAVID NEWS:
New things are happening at Be Relentless - we are working on a special project which will be totally unique. David has been doing a lot more personal consultations lately and will hopefully have his newsletter out shortly. We still need questions by email and it would be appreciated if you could ask David about any related topic that could be of interest (how to find, meet, attract, close and keep women, etc.).
Please send them to him at david@be-relentless.com. I would recommend you copy me as well (cliff@cliffslist.com) so I will make sure they get answered.
All subscribers of these emails will be given a free subscription and, as here, you can unsubscribe at any time. I know that you will find his comments and advice to be pretty unique and very useful. We are also making progress on the long awaited book which we hope will be ready relatively soon now.
The tapes of the David Seminar are now available and are being shipped upon receipt of your order, but please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. You can visit the website at www.be-relentless.com and orders should be made through paypal (go to www.paypal.com and send money to sales@be-relentless.com) if you need some other way to make payment, inquire at info@be-relentless.com. This product comes on two DVD discs for a total of approximately 6 1/2 hours of playing time. The price is $230 USD + $20 USD for the DVD which covers shipping and handling anywhere in the world. Inquire about shipping by overnight courier. These tapes are now available in a sound only version also.
Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available. David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual problems with certain women. You can get on the phone, answer his questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on how to succeed in your particular mission.
PLEASE NOTE: This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of www.doubleyourdating.com (who has posted some great stuff here under the name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of www.davidshade.com).
Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List. Also note: RSD will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Classroom Seminars
August 28-29, 2004 Amsterdam, Netherlands
September 4-5, 2004 London, England
October 15-16, 2004 Melbourne, Australia
October 22-23, 2004 Sydney, Australia
November 12-13, 2004 New York, USA
December 3-4, 2004 San Francisco, USA
In-Field Workshops
August 27-29, 2004 Amsterdam, Netherlands - SOLD OUT!!!
September 3-5, 2004 London, England - SOLD OUT!!!
September 6-8, 2004 Edinburgh, Scotland - SOLD OUT!!!
September 9-11, 2004 London, England
October 14-16, 2004 Melbourne, Australia
October 21-23, 2004 Sydney, Australia
November 11-13, 2004 New York, USA
December 2-4, 2004 San Francisco, USA
Individualized Bootcamps
September 17-19, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
September 17-19, 2004 New York, USA
September 24-26, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
September 24-26, 2004 New York, USA
October 1-3, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
October 1-3, 2004 New York, USA
October 8-10, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
October 8-10, 2004 New York, USA
Go to www.realsocialdynamics.com/ to signup for these events on their schedule.
Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
London, England September 3, 4, 5
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
Cancun, Mexico November 7 thru 13
Your Mind in Business
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
Dallas, TX June 21-25
Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has announced his schedule for 2004:
*Introduction To Hypnosis -- The New Curriculum -- Las Vegas September 20-24
This year we were asked by a national hypnosis group to develop a New Curriculum for the training of hypnotists -- one which would reflect the absolute best of what has always worked while incorporating our own cutting-edge discoveries. We wanted a curriculum that was so comprehensive in explication and exercise that the graduates could walk into an internship anywhere in the world, secure that they were the best-trained hypnotists in the place. The result is being rolled out over five days in Las Vegas. This is your chance to immerse yourself in the most comprehensive approach to powerful, positive, permanent change ever presented!
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about these seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus" such as (), David X, and many others.
NEW 2004 Seminar Schedule:
Saturday, October 9 th: ‘Meeting Women in Bars & Clubs.. and Other Public Places’ (New York City)
Sunday, October 10th: "Cocky Comedy’ (New York City
Tentative: Las Vegas beginning of 2005.
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Check out Dave Riker's website - he has some new products available and is available for personal coaching.
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on Sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.playboylifestyle.net
GERMANY
September 16-17-18 Germany (Berlin)
AUSTRALIA
December 2004 Australia (Melbourne and Sydney) Dates To Be Announced, between Dec 25 and Dec 31
ALL WORKSHOPS IN STATES ARE CANCELED until Badboy comes to States again.
There are seats available now.
Price : $850
You can make a deposit ($100) for a workshop on Paypal and send money to: nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! www.seductionlair.com/
The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!
Sanek has a new website up at fybb.eluid.org Check it out and see his comments.
Impact Interaction (www.impactinteraction.com) @ London
Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.
The workshops include:
- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear
- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance
- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…
For more information go to www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.
Have you ever asked yourself...
* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?
* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?
* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?
Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)
Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.
Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.
There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.
"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"
www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm
Maximillian Hell:
I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.
www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell
Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):
http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: www.dynamicsexlife.com/
Daniel:
If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
Carlos Xuma:
Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, sex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm
() (@.com ):
has a system and set of Tarot Cards that he his going to be launching soon. Find out more at his website.
P.S. Try magic words 'ben' 'rap' and 'nlp'.
A few sites to check out:
Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).
Check out Payton Kane www.seduceandconquer.com. VERY interesting. There will be a review of his product here shortly.
Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com
The Foundations of Seduction
Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and
drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD www.sexualkey.com/
LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
To find out more about "Freedom with Women", contact
davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com
HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. howtosucceedwithwomen.com/
Advanced Macking:
In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm
Michael:
If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level, you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminars in Toronto. It is two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.
There are also awesome guest speakers at these seminar:
To learn more about this special seminar, go to:
And follow the "Seminars" link.
And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.
Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!
Download it now at:
www.thedatingwizard.com/ And follow the link to "About The Dating Wizard"
FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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