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Ross Jeffries:
Recently I was discussing how for any state of mind you want a woman to experience with you - lust, chemistry, attraction, dripping-wet desire - there is an internal process or "recipe" that she undergoes in a blink of an eye that produces these states.
We talked about how to direct your conversation to "prime the pump" to get these feeling states or "recipes" into action so she will experience these intense positive emotional states with you, someone who she has to boff silly because That's What Her "Feelings" Told Her!
Remember women in our culture are trained to both revere their feelings as the judge of all truth and the director of all action and at the same time accept the romantic notion that their feelings "just happen" to them and that things like love, chemistry and attraction are aspects of life over which they have no choice and control!
For most guys, we only experience this on the negative end of the phenomena when we hear things like "Sorry, I just DON'T have THOSE feelings for you".
Now, how great is it going to be when you are actually on the positive side of that equation and you hear hot women saying, "I can't help it. I WANT you and I WANT you now".
You see, when people are trained from the earliest age to believe things work in a certain way, it's pointless to fight it. Instead, it brings immense power to get inside that process and turn it towards your control and advantage so the same belief and training works, not against you, but for you.
So remember: by using your language in the right way - by bringing up certain topics and phrasing things rightly, the only way a woman can understand what you are saying is to unconsciously run through her recipes for whatever subject you bring up: love, lust, sex, attraction.
She won't be aware of how or why these processes or recipes are being triggered as they are mostly out of her conscious awareness anyway. They will just feel natural and so she will naturally feel that...She Must Act On Them!
So, here, I want to continue to examine how to use your language to reliably and predictably create these strong, positive, intense emotional states with women, so you never again have to rely on guess work, luck or the traditional "dating" customs in our culture which reduce most men to sex-starved beggars and supplicators hoping to get "lucky" now and again.
Instead we want you to be able to get past looks, lack of social status or money by getting to the literal heart of the matter: her emotions, imagination and feelings.
The Seductive Power Of Conversational Themes
Now, one tool that I like to teach guys that makes a huge difference in your results is the idea of conversational themes. There are many great themes - over all topics of conversation - that are far more likely to lead to a successful seduction.
Here are some great themes that work to seduce women:
*Connections: how we connect with each other and our own deepest desires
*Escape and indulgence-what kind of things do you find yourself dreaming of doing, when you really need to escape and indulge?
*Permission-how different people give us different and deeper permission to really be ourselves, and even try out being "someone" a lot more adventurous than we'd normally be
*Anticipation - what it's like when you find yourself anticipating a pleasure..or something you really want to do?
*Different places in the mind - how in some places in our mind we think of ordinary routine things. But then there are places where we have other thoughts.
You see, these kinds of subjects, these themes are much more likely to activate the internal feeling recipes and states we want a hot woman in.
The problem is that the themes or topics that most guys choose for conversation with women are actually about as ANTI-attraction and ANTI-seduction in their effect as you can get.
Fact, Data And Logic Vs. Feelings And Imagination
Important point: anything that over focuses on facts, data, numbers - things that you could put on a chart or a graph, will almost always turn women off.
If you can put it in a chart, you probably won't win her mind and heart. (Isn't that a cute little rhyme?)
Look: fundamentally and for the most part, facts, data, numbers, logic - the things we guys are trained to enjoy thinking and discussing - are primarily processed by the left brain.
This means that to understand these topics or subjects it is primarily (but not only) the left brain that must be activated.
However, to activate a woman's internal feeling "recipes" we want to go to where those processes mostly take place - the right brain.
This means learning to deal with themes that don't include things you can put on a graph, chart, or statistical table. It means learning to bring up and discuss themes that deal with internal processes (like fascination, or feeling connected) and responses to powerful experiences in life (like wanting to escape or indulge herself).
Left Brain Vs. Effective Right Brain Seduction Conversation
Anyway, let me give you an example of how this works.
Let's say you've managed to get some time with a rather attractive lady you've been fancying for a while.
A left brain, facts and "data" conversation might go something like this:
You: I went on a pretty cool vacation last month. I went to Cancun and stayed in a top flight hotel. I had a great big suite that looked out at the water. Went para-sailing, scuba-dived. Got a good deal on priceline.com too - I don't think I spent more than $1,000 total.
Ok? This is a boring recitation of facts. It stirs very little of the right brain imagination or emotional processes.
Now, let's give it a Speed Seduction® face lift by using the theme of getting away, escaping, indulgence and being willing to try anything. Notice how we will use priming questions (which I also call weasel phrases because they are so damn sneaky).
The Power of "Priming" Questions
Priming questions appear to be requests for information. But in fact, by their structure, in order to answer them, the listener must dive deep into their memory, emotions and imagination to even make sense of the question. In a very real sense, priming questions are actually a disguised command. We don't directly say, "Doris, I command you to go into your memory, imagination and emotions and begin to stir up and experience the very things the question addresses."
But in effect, that is what these questions do. They allow us to take advantage of a quirk of the English language (that also translates into other tongues) that allows questions to easily mask suggestions and even commands.
A Sample Seductive Conversation.
Ok. I know grammar and linguistics may not be your favorite topic, so just pay attention to this example and notice how we use priming questions to bring up the topic and also begin the process of stirring up her right brain memory, imagination and emotions. We will also throw in a few embedded suggestions (more on this later):
You: Isn't it great when you can just get away and escape?(Priming question to bring up the topic of GETTING AWAY AND ESCAPING)
You: I went to Cancun last month and the minute I got off the plane, I knew I was in a place where I could just relax..let go..and indulge (Embedded suggestions for her to relax, let go, indulge).
You: Like you know how sometimes you go to a place where no one knows who you are, and you can feel free to try things and do anything? (Another priming question along with the embedded suggestions designed to bring to her memory and imagination what it feels like to feel free to try anything and indulge herself!)
You: You know before I go on, have you ever experience this kind of thing and what was it like for you? (A question designed to get her talking about HER experience).
Now, let me stop a second, because I know, for most guys reading this, this does not seem like your normal GUY conversation. You are probably thinking this sounds pretty strange and that if a GUY talked that way to you, you'd run, kick his ass or wonder what was wrong with him. So please listen and get this, because I'm with you: while this kind of talk sounds "strange" to us guys WOMEN EAT IT UP LIKE CANDY! The very reason it sounds strange to us - because it is directed to the right brain imaginative and emotional processes instead of left brain data and facts is the SAME reason it has such a strong, powerful, positive effect on women!
This power of speech and words to effect women's emotions and imaginations in ways that would just make us guys puke is the same thing that drives millions and millions of women to buy romance novels. Horrible books to us guys, but they keep women hypnotically hooked, triggering powerful fantasies and feelings of desire, connection and love. So if this kind of talk seems fruity, bizarre or total unreal to you, that's actually good news. It's not supposed to be something that moves us guys. It IS something that powerfully moves women.
An Experiment For You To Try!
Since what I am teaching you may be way different from how you are I want you to start off slow, so you can get your toes wet without having to jump all the way into the water.
So the next time you are around a woman or women that you already know, try throwing in a simple priming question into the mix of the conversation that brings up one the theme of escape, feeling free or indulgence. Try asking something like this:
"So..when you really want to get away, and escape, really indulge yourself...what kinds of things do you find you want to do?"
Then, shut up and listen. Watch as she actually goes into the feeling state as she begins to describe it. She will, in fact, have to do this, because it is the only way for her mind to make sense of the question; by diving down inside, making a search, and finding an experience that matches and fits. This is the way the brain processes questions in any case. We are just using that process to our (and her) advantage with a focused, skilled intent and effect.
Ok. I think I've already over-loaded you a bit for now. We'll have more on this subject in future issues of this newsletter; after all, it's what I've been teaching to thousands of guys, in person, for the past 11 years.
For now remember the Speed Seducer's Credo
"I come to you, with only words
Looks and money I have none
But should desire require it
My words will see me through".
A guru master:
My best field report, IMO.
My main GF
had a friend from out of town come stay with her for two weeks. Her friend was a cute blond 19 year old virgin, HBv. a solid 8.5 - 9. (They're all ten's at that age, aren't they?) Just the sweetest thing you can imagine. My GF unfortunately works alot, so HBv was going to have to spend most of her vacation alone. How... sad.
This is where I came in and took over.
I really enjoy spoiling girls, but don't anymore, since they view it as supplication, etc. So with this one, I went all out. I took her all over the city, every day, for two weeks. I did things, fun things, like holding her over my shoulder and gaming sets. All sets will explode open if you have a pretty 19 year old virgin hanging off of you, giggling hysterically.
At night, when my primary GF got off work, that's when we would all go out to bars to drink, dance, and for me, to game up more and more sets. By the end of week one, I somehow made it okay to make out with both of them, anytime I wanted, so it was like having two girlfriends. Every time we went out, they would dress up and help me peacock, and everywhere we went we walked French Promenade style.
OH the looks people gave me. And the girls! They would run up and grab me, screaming how hot I was, asking to take pics with me... It was wild. I peacock really well now, which really helps too (ripped jeans, heavy eye-liner, spiked hair, 4-5 cool bracelets, an arm band, cool 300-dollar boots, etc., etc., I am a TEN now)
What an EGO trip, man. Everywhere I went I had my two little hotties hanging off of me, making out, etc. My GF warned me not to get any ideas, and made it clear that I was not to even think about threesome/de-virginizing her friend. Too bad. Still, we all slept in the same bed and fooled around alot, and I even got to fuck my GF in front of HBv while she watched, made out with us, and fondled my balls (secretly without my GF knowing), so it was pretty *damn* sweet.
Next morning after my GF went to work, HBv *attacked* me. Still, she wouldn't let me fuck her, she kept saying that she felt like a disloyal friend, plus she was a virgin, etc., so I didn't push it. Besides, she asked me if I could teach her to give blowjobs as well as my GF could give them. Of course, this was a very long, arduous process, and required not only hard work but intense concentration. By the end of her training, she could take the whole thing down her throat, and lick my ass to boot. What a great student. I also taught her how to cum for the first time, then brought her to make pretty ceramic bowls and paint them, followed by more site seeing and long walks in the park.
Dudes, by the end of the two weeks, this girl fell in love with me hard core. It was so flattering.
On our last night out, we all went dancing, and I proposed to the girls that we have a makeout competition (who can makeout with the most people). I made out with six girls in under 20 minutes, a new personal record. The girls were so shocked that I could do this that they wouldn't leave my sight after. I had just gotten rejected by this girl hard core (I tried for insta-makeout with a TEN, in front of her BF, like a dumbass, just because I was feeling unstoppable. She freaked and pushed me off her, haaaaa). So, I just made out with my girls for the rest of the night. Have to admit I didn't like seeing them make out with all these loser guys anyway. Oh, I ALSO got these two other chicks to make out with me, and each other, and later merged groups with my GF's for a five-way makeout. The guys at this club that saw me do this were jaw-dropped to say the least. A few of them tried to join in and were unsuccessful.
I felt like Hugh Hefner.
So that's it. I had two GF's simultaneously for two weeks, and now I'm depressed : )
I will never forget how good it felt, even ALZHEIMER'S could not erase such a beautiful memory.
Anyway, turns out my GF really enjoyed this lifestyle too, and is now OPEN to finding a new one. I've only opened three sets with her so far, and nothing yet, but I'm pretty determined if you know what I mean.
Oh yeah, here's an FR inside of an FR: While out with the girls one night, this really cute 19 year old Indian chick opened me, gamed me up, and shoved her number in my pocket. She wanted me pretty badly. I called her two days later, and everything went really smoothly. I've got a pretty solid day 2 now, here's how it goes...
1- Told her to meet me at my place
2- When she showed up, I made sure I was on the phone with a girl. That way I can just open the door, keep talking to the girl on the phone, motion for my date to take off her shoes and come inside, and since I'm on the phone there is no resistance whatsoever.
3- She follows me to my room, and we both sit on my bed. 1.5 minutes and she's already in my bed, nursing on a beer.
4- still on the phone with this girl, gaming her up hard core in front of my date
5- hang up the phone, say hello to my date, and give her a big hug
6- Go to the local creepy, dark tavern down my street for a pitcher of beer. I bring them to shitholes for obvious reasons (they are cheap, there's no AMOG's, I can bust on them for expecting caviar and champagne if they complain, and most importantly, they feel uncomfortable so they CLING to me)
6- I forget my wallet. She pays.
7- Finish the beer, go outside, and tell her there's no way I'm going to let her drive. "You haven't even TRIED me yet... now you want to kill me?!"
8- Take her for a short walk around the block, to this fenced off place with a picnic table in it.
9- Run Style's "Evolution P-S kiss close", ask her, "Would you like to kiss me?" (credit Mystery, I think). Girl POUNCES on me, shoves her tongue down my throat, takes her own shirt off, and jerks me off/blows me right there under the stars. How romantic. Brought her back home, and she refused to fuck me, got all emotional and said "You're just going to leave me" etc. I didn't push it or use LMR tactic's on her, because I'm not a pushy guy. I consider it a huge IOI for her to say this, and want her in my stable long term.
She said that it was the most romantic date she has ever been on, LOL. What she meant to say was, "Thanks for pumping me through the right emotions so I can get this horny this quickly).
10- Called her the next day and said, "I'm just on my way out, I'll be out of town for a few days, I just wanted to tell you that I had a great time last night... there's my ride... gotta run, BYE."
Maximillian Hell:
> Vini: "Go back to the golden rule - call until they change their number. Remember, a LSE (Low Self Esteem) guy will always stop calling or next a chick too soon. ALWAYS. It is a guy with brass balls that will do a routine like the above. In the phone game it is a game that the last man standing will get the lay. Really."
Maximillian Hell: Vini this is brilliant stuff, but I would definitely check your local ordinances before proceeding. In Washington State, for instance, they have a nutty law that says you are supposed to just "know" when to quit calling and that the chick's subjective mood is enough to get you charged. I'm not a lawyer, but I can't see how this law could stand up to a court challenge. Either way, I am not interested in the hassle and expense of a test case. Maybe an indigent (or very rich) PUA is willing to go for it. Supposedly the bright-line standard is the behavior of a "reasonable person." We all know that PUAs are reasonable and chicks aren't, and a brother in the dock may want to cite your post as evidence, but convincing an uptight AFC or chick judge may be a different matter. The casual and non-desperate phone messages would help, but given the general anti-sex laws and mood in this country you might not know if you have crossed the line until the cops come knocking.
Mike R.:
It is now 3 days after Doc's seminar (www.set nalife.com) and I'm still digesting all the great info I've learned last weekend. I feel overwhelmed, not because I did Doc's intensive weekend seminar, not because I was out very late Saturday night sarging beautiful women and having to get up early Sunday morning for more intensive training. I am overwhelmed because I've had so many breakthroughs last weekend and I feel a real shift in my game.
My favorite part of the seminar was going out Saturday night with the group to a club on St.Laurent Boulevard. Having beautiful women winging with us, being told by Doc to own the club, getting tips from him on openers and having him correct my approaches. Also getting great insights from Cliff (Cliff's list) and Doc's brother Rami in that in my reality I do not put up with any rudeness or flakiness from women and that I am only interested in talking to women that are out to have to have a good time just like me and who are interesting people with a good sense of humor.. In comparison with my old frame which I was unaware of but I communicated with my body language and words which said I will put aside my own self-respect in order to get a woman's approval.
The group of guys who were there to learn with me were terrific guys and I feel I have learned more in one weekend at Doc's seminar than I did in 3 years of reading books on seduction and listening to tapes and CD's .
When you watch it been done in front of you by a real Master like Doc, you learn at a much deeper level. Doc has a real willingness to teach and with his easy-going demeanor he had made his workshop so enjoyable it was worth 10 times the money.
Mark B.:
> Uriah: I respectfully disagree. Maybe I'm just one of those fat guys with a nice face and hair who's 6'7", but I don't think appearance is important to getting laid consistently by hot women.
MB: Odds are that it's your height that helps you get laid, plus your game. Women tend to have a stronger biological drive toward taller men - better providers.
> Uriah: It certainly raises the odds of any particular girl wanting to have sex with you, but that's not important to getting laid. It's a numbers game: go where there are girls.
MB: Having a woman want to sleep with you is a prerequisite for getting laid. But suggesting that it's a numbers game takes away your responsibility for your outcomes and awareness of YOUR impact on your outcomes and success. It's like saying you need a b.b. gun to shoot elephants because sometimes you will kill one with one shot. Sometimes you will hit a soft spot and get a kill, but you need a massive shot gun to get the prize with a greater degree of consistency. Bring the right weapon to the fight is what I am saying to get consistent success.
> Uriah: Flirt with lots and lots of girls (and guys). Flirt extra with the ones that have a great personality (for me, if they're above a 6, it's good enough). Get digits (may be skipped). Hang out alone. Wow her with your presence and insight. Get laid. Easy.
MB: Of course it's easy when she feels physically drawn to the guy. I don't flirt with guys.
> Uriah: The other thing-- we won't be handsome forever. There will come a time in all of our lives when we will be butt-fucking ugly.
MB: I am not talking about being handsome. I am talking about taking the best care of oneself and showing it regardless of your age. I knew a girl who's father was in his 50's and while she was a teenager all of her friends were in love with her dad because he took care of himself and looked great. Showing that you care about yourself and have some degree of awareness of how you come across to the women you meet is what is most important.
>Uriah: But your presence and insight only improves with practice and time. By being great, those girls capable of seeing and appreciating greatness will come to you.
MB: I don't know about that. Really greatness is what others see in you, not what you see in yourself. The medium is the message. Ever heard that one? If you don't like the message you kill the messenger, right? But without the reference of others we are nothing. Can anyone be great on their own without any validation from the world? Sure, but in their own mind. Unfortunately we do not live in isolation and our accomplishments tend to matter most in terms of how many people respond to what we do and in what volume. You don't have to go far to see that the greatest people of all time influenced the greatest number of people whether it be in business, art, music, politics, sports, modelling, etc. If you influence no one but have "great ideas" and "value" and "inner superiority" but no one cares, it has no value, no one is buying, just like no one buys polluted air.
> Uriah: Who cares about the others?
MB: We all have to care, their response is what validates us. Prisoners in solitary begin to doubt whether or not they exist because they have no human contact and no one to validate them or their existence. You have to act like you don't care about what others think but in the end it's their response that makes or breaks you regardless of what you think of yourself.
> Uriah: You remember that guy in Shallow Hal who walks on his arms? I've seen him working the bars. He gets mad chicks, trust me, and not just the nursing students, and I doubt it was on his minor fame alone.
MB: And does he get laid? I have also seen the archetypal Shallow Hall and while chicks may find him amusing in the moment, with how many does he actually leave? I am a regular at some of Toronto's best clubs, and see these guys all the time and while they may find women who find them entertaining, I have NEVER, EVER seen a Shallow Hall type, let alone a guy who even remotely resembles Shallow Hall leave with a hot chick let alone any chick. If some butt ugly dude gets the girl it's because he is taller and/or skinny.
> Uriah: You seem to subscribe to the physical equality theory of relationships. Even as a PUA, you still believe in this claptrap? I think you're forgetting the power of inner beauty.
MB: I don't subscribe to any theory. I simply retell what I observe. But please, inner beauty??? Let's not insult ourselves here. Do we as men really care about inner beauty? We all seek out the hot of the hottest and don't care if she has some faults. If we give off that vibe, do you think women don't see it? You bet they do.
> Uriah: Girls are very adept at picking up on inner beauty, far better than most men. In fact, I'd say the majority of "game" is just learning to show (or fake) inner beauty. As an enlightened man (lol!), I can easily see which women have great personalities and potential for beauty just by looking at them (something I picked up shortly after my first Reiki Attunement, along with being able to see energy fields).
MB: The last time I checked, that was what women said, that they want inner beauty to satisfy their own shortcomings and to not appear superficial. But check the men they date.
> Uriah: ANYONE can see a girl who's really radiating inner beauty (think happy bride on her wedding day). I still know what a physically beautiful woman is, but there's no substitute for inner beauty.
MB: Please man, let's not go there. Exterior happiness is not a sign of inner beauty. Anyone can fake smiles and a cheerie attitude especially those most unhappy, usually they overcompensate for some lacking. Inner beauty is not about ignoring faults in others and acceptance. It's about integrity, openness, ability to communicate, taking responsibility for one's own actions, following through on your word, being compassionate and understanding, but not accepting others in spite of themselves - that would be dishonest.
> Uriah: Getting with a woman who isn't beautiful on the inside is still better than a night alone, but they can never compare with the feelings of genuine compassion you feel for a TRULY beautiful woman. I was at a party of a friend of mine's (she looks like Angelina Jolie-- thank you nose job), and there was a chubby girl there. Maybe 25 pounds overweight, short, not fantastic looking, probably a 6 on looks alone. But she was by far the hottest girl there, and every single guy wanted to fuck the shit out of her.
MB: I would have loved to see that but how do you know what the all the other guys were thinking. I think what happened was that she seemed comfortable with herself and because she was a 6 and heavier and guys found her less intimidating and more approachable. Let's not confuse comfort and approachability with real physical attraction.
> Uriah: Hell, having never met her before, I wanted to fuck her rather than my friend HBAngelinaJolie (9). Why? Presence. Don't underestimate it. When you're riding an energy high, everyone can see it. Morose people smile and laugh (before retreating to their shells), people come up to talk to you, girls start touching you, you can really connect with people. I first experienced it on stage, playing the bari sax, having maybe 4 hours practice on the instrument, and for whatever reason, the audience and I connected, and I could do no wrong.
MB: Again with someone you feel comfortable with because they are not physically intimidating you are more likely to want to connect because there is less risk of rejection. Keep in mind the difference between comfort because you feel the odds are less of being rejected vs. real attraction that makes you feel fear. And why do you feel more comfort with heavier women? Odds are because they are more likely to accept you or anyone for that matter, they don't have much choice.
> Uriah: But no matter where you're getting it, if you have the energy, if you have the PRESENCE, chicks will flock to you, and it doesn't matter what you look like. If the word presence or energy doesn't connect to you, try thinking about it in terms of the Zone. Being your actions completely. Celebrating life completely. Pick a
metaphor. Figuring this out was the best thing that ever happened to me. But hey, don't let me bully you around. What you have going works for you-- you're handsome and fit, and you've got plenty of game to capitalize on your strengths, so don't worry about my fat ass and pompous self-aggrandizement. And I'll continue to be with women who make ME feel good and loving and happy.
MB: You know what, I used to think that way. There was a time where I tried everything and got laid because I was persistent and then caught them in the right moment, not because of who I was and I did try everything and anything. I just did not see that my poor skin and my lack of shape physically that really appealed to women prevented women from seeing the real me, even though I thought I was the shit. I thought I was attractive and what women wanted and if they did not want me I thought it was my game that lacked, until I had my eye opening horror show as you'll read below.
> Uriah: Maybe I won't be nailing the self-obsessed model who needs to bang you to massage her ego.
MB: Why not? Who cares about her ego when you're banging her? And why should a model have to be self obsessed? When she does not give a shit about a guy because she has no interest, she is self obsessed? No, she just does not care and focuses on herself or other interests because she can and because she has choice.
> Uriah: You know, you're probably right.
MB: So first you say I am wrong, then after writing and thinking about it you tell me I am probably right. Interesting. It's not about right or wrong. It's about honestly looking and what happens out there.
> Uriah: I'm probably limiting myself terribly by not working out every day-- limiting my selection of females, limiting my lifetime, whatever.
MB: So the power of the dark side is making you more aware as you think about this.
> Uriah: If I only fuck 50 girls in my lifetime, instead of 500 if I was Adonis, have I been shortchanged? Hell no!
MB: No but it's great to know that as a general guy out there, you can have great broad based appeal in a general sense and can go into any situation and get results, and not have to fear that your body or some sort of physical impediment is standing in your way. Did you know that many fat people and those who don't take good care of themselves tend to say that their exterior is a way of protecting themselves from others, from them coming too close because they don't want to deal with the rejection or disappointment?
> Uriah: That's still a lot of girls. If being fat means I only fuck girls who are really into my personality, then have I been shortchanged? Hell no! I mean, the unspoken goal on this list seems to be having sex with as many 9s and 10s as possible. It's about getting as high a rate of success as possible with HBs.
MB: It means getting the women that tend to have a lot of choice because everyone wants them, the ones that get a lot of attention from everyone but choose YOU. There are women out there who will overlook a tough exterior and make it appear they are choosing a guy for his inner being but in fact they are overlooking it either because they don't feel they have a choice or because they themselves don't feel they deserve better. How does that make them have inner beauty? I would rather a woman tell me "you know you are ugly and not my type but I want to fuck you because I don't think I can do any better" than lie through her teeth and tell me she wants me for the real me. The first takes character and what I would respect more, the second, denial for which I have no respect.
> Uriah: Why? If a girl has a truly beautiful personality, and has at least the requisite physical characteristics to be attractive, what does it matter if she's not a 9?
MB: We all have our values and things we look for in others and it's fair to you to want those women with a greater degree of personality. Beautiful personality can be great for friendship, but I still need to feel a physical pull.
> Uriah: Most 9s and 10s have terrible personalities (with important exceptions) and are horrible in bed.
MB: Most have terrible personalities? I beg to disagree. Most hotties I have known are sweethearts just like any other women. In fact, some of the hottest babes I have known overshadow some of the lesser looking women because they appreciate the beauty they have and the power that comes with it. Other lesser looking women tend to be more guarded and jaded. It's just that when they are not interested in a guy they are seen as more sharp and cold, but that still does not make them evil or horrible. They are that way because they can be. When they are interested in some guy their heart of gold comes out. And no, hotties are just as good in bed as all other women, skill level in bed is not necessarily related to her looks but more to her level of inner comfort with herself. Some of the hottest women I have ever been with have also been the best in bed.
> Uriah: If I meet only 1 girl a month who is both into me and has a great personality/body combo, how is it wrong for me to want to bang her often and for a long time, rather than 5 new hotties every week? I mean, what percentage of women would you honestly want to talk to if you didn't want to bang them?
MB: I want that one perfect ideal for a lifetime, the best body and best inner beauty. Volume really after a while loses its meaning and you yearn for some quality.
> Uriah: Hey, <strut> I banged 15 hotties last week, ha ha! How many did you bang (ha ha!)? Who gives a shit? I just want to live life to its fullest and enjoy every fucking second, and I want to have truly beautiful women in my life with a minimum of drama. I have that. Somehow I fail to feel inadequate because I'm a fatass.
MB: Now you are getting into self pity. But you started off so well. I don't understand your anger.
> Uriah: Maybe you think I should be lonely and depressed because I'm so obviously weak? And what if I was Adonis, and could score any girl (between game and looks, how could I lose?)? What then? I get some girl who looks down on those less attractive than her? Thank you, no.
MB: That would be denying our basic human tendency to choose and find favour with those things that have more appeal to us. This is a fact of life.
> Uriah: The world has plenty of people who view appearances as being all-important. I don't need to date them.
MB: You did say APPEARANCE WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU PREFER TO DATE A 6 INSTEAD OF A 9 OR A 10. Who is being superficial here now, eh? By saying you want a 6 you are discounting 9's and 10's for their looks just like some guy who says he would not date a 6 or a 5. Why not say, I would date any woman with a heart of gold regardless of her appearance or her rating. That is looking at inner beauty, my man.
> Uriah: Maybe it's just as well they don't want to date me. Oh, maybe you'll bring up some biological imperative for physical beauty. I'll casually point out that the modern definition of physical beauty has only even existed for around 50 years.
MB: Studies have shown that people across cultures tend to prefer a symmetrical face and certain proportions to the body, these are natural biological preferences as natural indications of health and biological ability to reproduce.
> Uriah: Monroe was not a size 2. She was not a size 6. She wasn't even a size 8. She was a size 14. The number 1 sex icon in American history was NOT a workout queen. Why not?
MB: Marilyn had a beautiful face and great proportions, and certainly no one would ever accuse her of being fat or out of shape.
> Uriah: Because, as I've said before, the obsession with physical perfection is an aberration of our modern times, and is ultimately temporary. Why did she garner the adoration? Because she fucking GLOWED, man! She had PRESENCE that everyone could see!
MB: She was a beautiful woman and had a great face, that is why she glowed.
>Uriah: That was then, this is now. But even now, the percentage of women who still work along the historical, biological, emotional method of feeling attraction is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those who work purely along societal methods of judgement, and always has been. AND I consider any woman who bases attraction on such shallow things to be UNACCEPTABLE as a GF.
MB: Then odds are she will not take care of herself and odds are you will look a very long time for a woman like that. I highly recommend going back and reading my post from Sept 2003 where after a 8 month absence I wrote my first post. I wrote about my brush with the law and how I spent a week in jail on false accusations by a former GF.
As a recap of the post back in Feb of 03, I sent her an offensive e-mail calling her a liar and a manipulator and that I was angry with her. She called the police and said she felt threatened. I was arrested, charged and released after a week by a very sympathetic judge on very severe bail conditions. This was one of the most difficult emotional periods of my life, dealing with lies and manipulations of the Canadian police.
Afterwards I spend a lot of time on my own, in my own inner world putting together the pieces of my emotional life back together. I stopped drinking tea and drank mild decaf coffee, began eating healthier, more vegetables, grapefruit juice (which helped me get leaner and evened out my skin tone) and began training with a new training partner. I also began drinking a different brand name of milk, different oats and rice. I revamped my whole diet.
Suddenly I began to notice that women began coming at me from all different directions. I began going out with friends to nightclubs and bars and really did not try to pick up or meet women but they themselves began coming up to me and talking. They would start conversations while I bought drinks or they would stop me while I walked through the club.
I would also go walking around on long walks around the city as I lived downtown and took a leave of absence from my job. I noticed that women began giving me smiles, they began conversations and gave me that "conversation space" where they would stay engaged with me even though neither one of us said anything they stayed. In the past while talking to most women I felt that I had to keep the conversation going, even with those that eventually I dated or slept with but this time I had that "we space". They would stay engaged even though there seemed an obvious lull in the conversation and they themselves kept it going.
Suddenly several woman that I tried to date before my nightmare came up to me and made themselves blatantly and obviously available. One of the first was a waitress from a local strip bar that I frequented. I was after her for two years but only after my debacle did she finally say that I looked different, had a smaller waist and that now she suddenly was available. Another was a dancer from the same club there that before was just "cordial", now she took my number and actually began calling me and asked me to train her at my gym. One woman at a bar invited me home with her for some S&M that I declined not knowing what I would get myself into. One girl that I tried to pick up at another club months before that, only to get a rebuff, gave me her number after seeing her with her new BF at another club, another woman that I met at a book store said that she was going on a trip to Europe and wanted to take me, another woman that worked at a leather store walked out of the store and gave me her number after a brie
f conversation, another girl stopped me at a nightclub and said "wow, you are in such great shape, you are beautiful", another girl who happened to be 17 took my number and began calling me to set up a time to get together but I refused after I found out her age, another woman I met at a book store who was in her 50's suggested that she wanted to have sex because it was years for her......and on and on and on...........I think in the 4 month period from March 03 to about June 03 there must have been about 100 of these incidents.
At first I did not understand what was happening as I never before in the history of my life had this level of attention and responsiveness. At first I thought they were just being "nice" but then as time went on I realized that perhaps I had something they wanted. So I went with it and actually asked out the next girl that I found attractive that seemed responsive to me. We went for dinner and then I spent the night at her house the first time we went out.
This was in June of 03 and she was the first woman I had been with since my Feb debacle and then from June to Dec I was with that one in June, two in July, two more in Aug, two more in Sept with one of them being one I brought home from a nightclub. Then I was with one new one in Oct and then continued seeing some of the ones I met before. Then in Dec I was with one new one and then in Jan with another new one and another one from a year and a half ago. It seemed like shooting fish in a barrel.
I realized the extent to which physical appeal plays a role in the dating and seduction process. While before this period I met women and had GF's with most I had to be persistent and drive hard to get them. And most of the ones that I did get tended to be lonelier and more socially isolated - they lived alone, did not go out much, had not dated in a while, etc.
I was now getting women that had a greater social circle, they had more options, they had BF's, they had other things to do and they were choosing me. Before this period I thought I looked OK but in the end I gave myself too much credit and tended to rely too much on game so to speak.
Having this different frame of reference I am able to now objectively look at the importance of taking care of oneself and how one looks. But it's tough to appreciate the difference unless one goes through what I went through and sees how different the world can be when one's appearance really changes. In retrospect, I went through Hell but in the end it was somehow worth it because I am at a level of awareness that I did not have before, regardless of how I appear or how many women I meet.
The bottom line for me at least is that appearance does make a huge difference and having been on both sides I can attest to that. And yes, with total certainty I can say that one's inner beauty is key and critical but it can only come out when there is little standing in the way of people seeing it such as excess weight or otherwise poor physical appearance.
I was and still am the same guy inside and perhaps now more jaded, less trusting, more cautious and more resigned to my fate and hence have less inner beauty so to speak. We respond and want that with which we feel most comfortable, whether it is a 6 or a 9.
PROMOS & REVIEWS SECTION (there are NO paid ads in this list and never have been. The "commercial" section is distinguished by the "--------------" separators):
DAVID NEWS:
New things are happening at Be Relentless - we are working on a special project which will be totally unique. David has been doing a lot more personal consultations lately and will hopefully have his newsletter out shortly. We still need questions by email and it would be appreciated if you could ask David about any related topic that could be of interest (how to find, meet, attract, close and keep women, etc.).
Please send them to him at david@be-relentless.com. I would recommend you copy me as well (cliff@cliffslist.com) so I will make sure they get answered.
All subscribers of these emails will be given a free subscription and, as here, you can unsubscribe at any time. I know that you will find his comments and advice to be pretty unique and very useful. We are also making progress on the long awaited book which we hope will be ready relatively soon now.
The tapes of the David Seminar are now available and are being shipped upon receipt of your order, but please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. You can visit the website at www.be-relentless.com and orders should be made through paypal (go to www.paypal.com and send money to sales@be-relentless.com) if you need some other way to make payment, inquire at info@be-relentless.com. This product comes on two DVD discs for a total of approximately 6 1/2 hours of playing time. The price is $230 USD + $20 USD for the DVD which covers shipping and handling anywhere in the world. Inquire about shipping by overnight courier. These tapes are now available in a sound only version also.
Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available. David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual problems with certain women. You can get on the phone, answer his questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on how to succeed in your particular mission.
PLEASE NOTE: This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of www.doubleyourdating.com (who has posted some great stuff here under the name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of www.davidshade.com).
Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List. Also note: RSD will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Classroom Seminars
August 28-29, 2004 Amsterdam, Netherlands
September 4-5, 2004 London, England
October 15-16, 2004 Melbourne, Australia
October 22-23, 2004 Sydney, Australia
November 12-13, 2004 New York, USA
December 3-4, 2004 San Francisco, USA
In-Field Workshops
August 27-29, 2004 Amsterdam, Netherlands - SOLD OUT!!!
September 3-5, 2004 London, England - SOLD OUT!!!
September 6-8, 2004 Edinburgh, Scotland - SOLD OUT!!!
September 9-11, 2004 London, England
October 14-16, 2004 Melbourne, Australia
October 21-23, 2004 Sydney, Australia
November 11-13, 2004 New York, USA
December 2-4, 2004 San Francisco, USA
Individualized Bootcamps
September 17-19, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
September 17-19, 2004 New York, USA
September 24-26, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
September 24-26, 2004 New York, USA
October 1-3, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
October 1-3, 2004 New York, USA
October 8-10, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
October 8-10, 2004 New York, USA
Go to www.realsocialdynamics.com/ to signup for these events on their schedule.
New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.set nalife.com. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover in Montreal on August 27-29 (Sold out, sorry!), and in Toronto on October 22-24. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
London, England September 3, 4, 5
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
Cancun, Mexico November 7 thru 13
Your Mind in Business
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
Dallas, TX June 21-25
Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has announced his schedule for 2004:
*Introduction To Hypnosis -- The New Curriculum -- Las Vegas September 20-24
This year we were asked by a national hypnosis group to develop a New Curriculum for the training of hypnotists -- one which would reflect the absolute best of what has always worked while incorporating our own cutting-edge discoveries. We wanted a curriculum that was so comprehensive in explication and exercise that the graduates could walk into an internship anywhere in the world, secure that they were the best-trained hypnotists in the place. The result is being rolled out over five days in Las Vegas. This is your chance to immerse yourself in the most comprehensive approach to powerful, positive, permanent change ever presented!
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about these seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus" such as (), David X, and many others.
NEW 2004 Seminar Schedule:
Saturday, October 9 th: ‘Meeting Women in Bars & Clubs.. and Other Public Places’ (New York City)
Sunday, October 10th: "Cocky Comedy’ (New York City Tentative: Las Vegas beginning of 2005.
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Check out Dave Riker's website - he has some new products available and is available for personal coaching.
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on Sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.playboylifestyle.net
GERMANY
September 16-17-18 Germany (Berlin)
AUSTRALIA
December 2004 Australia (Melbourne and Sydney) Dates To Be Announced, between Dec 25 and Dec 31
ALL WORKSHOPS IN STATES ARE CANCELED until Badboy comes to States again.
There are seats available now.
Price : $850
You can make a deposit ($100) for a workshop on Paypal and send money to: nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! www.seductionlair.com/
The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever! www.seductionlair.com/
Impact Interaction (www.impactinteraction.com) @ London
Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.
The workshops include:
- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear
- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance
- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…
For more information go to www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.
Have you ever asked yourself...
* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?
* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?
* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?
Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)
Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.
Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.
There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.
"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"
www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm
Maximillian Hell:
I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.
www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell
Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):
http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: www.dynamicsexlife.com/
Daniel:
If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
Carlos Xuma:
Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, sex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm
A few sites to check out:
Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).
Check out Payton Kane www.seduceandconquer.com. VERY interesting. There will be a review of his product here shortly.
Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com
The Foundations of Seduction
Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD www.sexualkey.com/
LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
To find out more about "Freedom with Women", contact
davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com
HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. howtosucceedwithwomen.com/
Advanced Macking:
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Michael:
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There are also awesome guest speakers at these seminar:
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FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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