The poor things get fat as pigs

Zvi: > >Of course being in a state of "vacation" is good and healthy. My point > >though is this. > >As a human being, you experience many different states throughout the day. > >Some of the emotions you feel are "positive" (i.e., you want them) and some > >are "negative" (i.e., they don't feel good to you and you don't want them). > >Typically there is some sort of chain reaction: you feel emotion X and that > >triggers emotion Y which triggers emotion Z, and so on. > >The question you need to ask yourself is which emotions do I want activated > >throughout the day? > >For example: let's say you feel Frustration at something minor at work. It > >doesn't have to be any major frustration, it could be something like, > >"damn, > >what the hell is taking the computer so long to download??" ok? So you > >feel a momentary Frustration. In the past that Frustration might have > >"activated" another feeling, let's say Anger ("arrrrr.... I'm going to kill > >Bill Gates!!").
And let's say that those tw
o feelings caused a lot of > >stress. You stored those feelings in your body, so to speak, and the more > >they build the more stress you felt. > >The structure so far is: Frustration --> Anger --> Stress. > >Makes sense so far? > >But what if you can create a different chain reaction. Instead of having > >Frustration activate Anger, let's say it activates Calmness and Creativity. > >Let's say that those states in turn activate Excitement. > >The structure would then be: Frustration --> Calmness and Creativity --> > >Excitement. > >You see? The same emotion (frustration) does not have to lead to stress. > >If you link it with the kind of emotions you want, the "negative" emotion > >can activate a positive emotion! Stress is not a necessary condition of > >this or that emotion! > >Let's see how this might work differently. Let's say that Frustration > >activates a Balance Monitoring System. Whenever you begin feeling > >frustrated, this Balance Monitoring System kic
ks in and causes you to ask > >yourself some
questions such as, "what can I do to solve this problem?" > >"how > >can I use this problem to my advantage?" "what can I do right now to > >increase my inner calmness?" and so on. This Balance Monitoring System is > >like your inner gyroscope that doesn't allow you to sway too far either > >way. > >In this example the structure would be: Frustration --> Balance Monitoring > >System --> Balance and Inner Calmness. > >Makes sense?

Someone who loves to talk a lot wrote the following (who was it? Not Cliff, I think--right?): > That is alot of messy shit. The model is far too large and cumbersome. I > have a better concept that works wonders for me. The emotion is: talkative. > Bad mood or good, by being talkative you are able to convey your > personality, even if you are bitter boy (Being bitter boy has gotten me laid > several times). how to get yourself into this mood? There are 2 ways. One is > to talk about anything on your way to the club with your wings . Even if it's > just shit talk. Just talk talk talk talk talk. The other way, if you > are alone in the club, is to approach the first 3 sets with the notion of > just gearing up your brain. Talk talk talk talk talk. It solves everything > internal. You aren't worrying about what to say because you are in a > talkative mood. It just flows out like water.

My Comment: It was Mystery.

Zvi (Continuing): I don't have the time to comment in length, but I have to clarify that my idea is not only about the state you want to have while meeting women.. but in general, 24-7.

Second, do what works for you. Personally I don't think that just talking can put you in the kind of state you want. Talking might or might not distract you from shitty states, but I'd like to go way beyond that into the kind of positive, fantastic states that are possible for humans to feel. I think it's not enough to just "not be in a bad mood" -- what's more important and ever so much more fascinating is to live at the far edge of the wondrous feelings you can stand to have. Just talking yourself out of bad states wouldn't do that, of course. What if you were to ask yourself, If I could feel the most fantastic feelings a human being can ever feel, what would I feel? What would I choose to feel? How would I feel it? How would I know that I feel it? Precision, my friend.. precision.

tgb663 (Commenting on Bjorn): >What is one of the most common phrases amongst HB 's??? >Give up?? Not? >"I can't believe I slept with him!!! He is such a jerk!!!"

I do not think that your interpretation is valid as the jerk is a jerk only after he has become one. Generally, I think there are few sick people who target people who treat them badly. Afaik (as far as I know) there are few (hypno-) slut-seeking guys as well. The point in these seemingly correct statements (and their occurence on this list) is that they are handy simplifications. Fucking what is beauty only isn't that a satisfying act because there has to be some sort of connection which can make minds become excited because there is this 'magical link' building which is the essence of passion. You won't deny that there has to be some of this to make your bedding with s.o. worth it, will you? There is no such thing as the dick or cunt who wouldn't get turned off by the (seeming?) mindless ass he confronts. I think we do self-hypnotize in seduction and should balance that very well at every time to try to stay a.) self-aware b.) open-minded c.) fair But the world is neither and we all will be just sluts and j
erks in the eyes of others more or less. Do we have to force that? Why should we? I know that I myself should make it my daily prayer to always try to keep some sort of a balance going. We get what we give so neither should keep the change nor jingle it.

Flyer: I'm not sure who said this on your newsletter, but I am responding to it: "Beauty is revered so much in this society that those who have are often misserved by getting too much too easily."

So true! Very true. This is one of the things fucked up with American culture. There is nothing wrong with pursuing beauty, but when you live in a society that harps on it so much, a lot of chycks, if not most in the United States who grow up to be stunning turn into complete bitches as a result. Hence, they need to be given the jerk treatment and set off balance a bit so you have more leverage. That is precisely why I am against the proverbial "I just wanted to say you're stunning....." opening line which has been brought up a few times in previous editions of this newsletter. Saying this to an HB is complete supplicating horseshit!. Once you say that to an HB you are stuffed and mounted. End of issue! I cannot stress this enough!(A good book to read is F.J. Shark's "How To Be The Jerk Women Love" assuming it's still in print. Check out

91-8634424>). The inverse effect of this dynamic are the behaviors we see in women who are less attractive. Because this group of more average looking women are subjected to this kind of value system in our current mass culture, a lot of them think to themselves "Gee, I'll never be as hot as Carmen Electra, or Laetitia Casta, so why should I bother?" What results here are these women getting really low self esteem, and doing self-defeating things such as overeating. Now the poor things get fat as pigs with no chance of landing a man.

Max Kool: > I suspect that this is true. It would seem that in America an attractive HB > doesn't really grow up until her looks start to fade; when she discovers she > can no longer compete as easily with HB 's ten years younger than her. The > problem here is: Who the fuck wants when they turn to crap? There are a lot > of old broads I have met here (35+) who I look at and can just > imagine how absolutely stunning they might have been at 20. > Now, before anyone reading this goes into the "Hey, what's so bad about a > more mature women with experience, etc. . . yadda yadda yadda", In my > opinion, geezer love is for afc 's and guys who can't get hot young ones.

I'm 18 and I'd still rather have an older hot babe than a younger one, (note that by 'older', I mean 20-30 y.o., which is still 'older' to me). Besides, most young HBs are taken by us young studs (hehe). I think that 'aged' (40+) guys hitting on younger (18-25) chicks is rather.. sick. There are plenty of good looking older women out there, and I've no idea why old guys would rather have young babes. Maybe they are more of a challenge? Dunno, but I find young chicks A lot easier to seduce.

My Comment: It may look sick to you now, but, believe me, it will look like a necessity to you soon enough...

Max Kool (Continuing): > And > one does not need much seduction skills to bag an old bag.

Then again, 'oldness' is relative, since I find women in their early 30's old, but probably someone in their late 40's thinks they are young. > The difference > could be for those who have a fetish for this sort of thing. Guys who have a > fixation for old chycks and fat broads are very lucky; there is an abundance > of them, and they are more desperate for a man, which gives them more > leverage with these kind of women.

It would have helped if I knew what you meant by 'old' here, because hot chicks in their 30's and 40's - over here, at least - are not any more desperate for men than hot chicks in their 20's. > I do believe that we agree on the points you bring up. Many people, both men > and women, have debated with me about the ethicalness of SS , of using NLP > for the purpose of improving one's chances to have sex. You're right in that > SS isn't a matter of ethics; it's a matter of communication.

By the way, personally I don't give a damn whether it's unethical or immoral to use SS . Life is unfair. If there was a magic perfume that I could wear that would make any HB I want, want me back, I wouldn't think twice before using it. Would anyone else? > Most of my friends are men, nice guys who are afc 's and I have seen them get > trampled by chycks. Or they are unhappy because they get chycks they don't > really like or respect, usually settling for some psycho baggage queen. > While I recommended SS to them, most of them went to the website and were > offended by some of the stuff. Oh, well. If they keep doing what they're > doing, they are going to keep getting what they're getting.

All of my friends think SS is bullshit, even though I have repeatedly proven its effectiveness to them. They're not offended by it or anything, they just think 'stuff like that could never work'. I'm European and they always tell me, "that kinda stuff only works with American chicks". I think they're just narrow-minded chicken shits. This is good nevertheless. If all guys used SS , it wouldn't be special anymore. It'd probably stop working. > After all, that's what it's all about my friends, love.

Nah. Sex. :)

Divine (Daddy's little hypnoslut): >...for old chycks and fat broads are very lucky; there is an abundance >of them, and they are more desperate for a man, which gives them more >leverage with these kind of women. "

Ummm, this is just not true. I know many women who fall into both categories who are just as picky as a " HB "..it's all about attitude and confidence and just because a women is older or heavier does not mean she lacks either, or males pursuing them either. It's a myth that heavy or older women sit home alone, that's silly. >Spin Doctor: >Re:Divines rolling tirade and her attempt to shame the guy who wrote her >Yes, guys like to fuck and even more so to add conquests to their lists, >that's all. It's in the genes and I don't mean Levis. fyi your piece >represents mostly unconscious projections of your animus the man inside of >you that you see in other men. Unfortunately, your ego which has been >formed by what >you have been told to accept is disgusted with this reality. I for one >would savour the scenario of the death bed you portray. They would be fond >memories of a fruitful life doing what comes naturally from primordial urges >without ego being the fashion of the day.

You missed the point, love. I had also stated earlier that all men want to get the bone on...delicate way to say it "not". I know men want to fuck...stated it myself. Nothing wrong with that..or with pursuing women. My statement was aimed at one person who's response to my statement about quality was basically, "Why the fuck should I care about quality as long as I get to bone many numbers". That's sad. Hey I've slept with many guys and during my post divorce era I was the predator, I picked who I wanted to entertain me and for a while they weren't for more than a night or a week. I told them this from the getgo. however, I was always disappointed when the person I played with turned out to be a shallow and empty person. So I could bang any guy I wanted....it still, whether for a day or week was more fulfilling and rewarding when the person had depth to them. What's his faces response was that the women he wanted could have no personality as long as he got his cock in them. So what?

If you can't enjoy the person as well as the sex you might as well be fucking a plastic doll. What's the point? I look back fondly on all my adventures, except those that turned out to be with empty jerks. I am still friends with ex-lovers (even those I only fucked once). I look at my wild times with fond memories and certainly having had a wide experience is good on the eve of our lives. That was not what I referred to. Can you really tell me that you find fulfillment simply scanning past one breathing Barbie to the next? Or is the fulfillment more in recalling the give and take of meeting, the meshing of minds and desires, the challenges each unique personality came with, the excitement of learning and exploring and understanding each new person, the variety of personalities encountered. Again, I have nothing against flings..had many myself, and yes, fond memories of each. But they weren't generic Ken dolls with anatomically correct parts that are so alike they could be the same person. How boring would that be? I can remember the different personalities and quirks and responses of each and that is what gives the memories quality...if I viewed men as interchangeable cocks that's all they would be and no one memory would be any different. How dull and empty is that!! And that is what I was referring to, not flings in general. You, it sounds, fully explore and appreciate all that male female interaction gifts us with, therefore you get something more than a warm place to cum out of it. That is the intrinsic difference.

Divine comments to Adam (Commenting to Divine on her comments to Linda): I made no comment as to the " bitch shield " whatsoever...that was someone else and therefore the rebuttal has nothing whatever to do with me.

Tenore: > Adam (Commenting to Divine on her comments to Linda): > >Linda asks "when does the bitch shield come down?". I would say typically > >once an HB turns about 29..

Actually, from what I've seen, in many cases it doesn't come down at all, or at least not until long after it should have, resulting in an extremely frustrated and messed-up woman. Her notion is "I'm a Babe, men should grovel before me!," when the reality is, "I used to be a Babe 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, but I refuse to recognize that anything has changed!" I know one woman who is about 54, and no doubt was a true Babe in her younger days. (I'm only a few years younger than that myself, but my recent girlfriends have been in their late 30's to mid 40's). She looks damn good for her 50's, but let's face it, her glory-days are definitely past. (And I've run across many other women like her.) But she still has the illusion that some really fantastic guy will blast through her bitch-shield and sweep her off her feet. I even tried to reason with her that such a marvelous guy, should he come along, would prefer to get a younger woman for the same amount of trouble: "If so, it would just be proof of his shallowness," she replied. Nonetheless, I *did* sleep with her a little while back when we found ourselves together in a cozy little place for a few days. Her body language and flirtation made it evident that she would welcome my advances, as she eventually did, but first she made me play all kind of games of "hot/cold/hot/cold/start/stop/etc". For that much effort expended, I probably could have bagged Cameron Diaz, had she been there. And this poor lady doesn't understand why she can't find a man to meet her liking! When you run into women like this, they are not worth the trouble, especially for a longer "relationship." They'll give you tremendous grief, and little else! My approach to the science of seduction is probably different from that of most of the other guys on this list. For one thing, I don't use "patterns," although I do make limited use of "re-framing" and "embedded commands." Indeed, I don't expect to do a tremendous amount of talking. There is a kind of "silent strength" that turns women on. In their movies, Humphrey Bogart, Clark Gable, or Bruce Willis were not exactly great talkers, but their worldly-wise ways and inner character turned on millions of women. A knowing gaze, or what is sometimes called "bedroom eyes," is a bigger turn-on for many women that somebody who sounds like he's reciting a Gilbert and Sullivan patter-song. Nothing succeeds like success, and if you can convey to the women you meet that you have been successful in getting Babes, they think of you as "a good one", and want to know you more. The rest is up to you. I expect a seduction to take an entire evening. I think that if a woman is agreeable to spending several hours with a man in a situation where a seduction would be possible, she is effectively saying "ok, big boy, here I am, do you have what it takes?" She will inevitably toss at least *some* obstacles in your path, depending on the strength of her bitch shield , just to see if you are man enough to overcome them. The typical afc will shrink away from them, of course, so she is merely trying to keep unworthy guys out of her panties. If you can convince her that you are a very experienced lover who knows how the game is played, then you can get her very hot for you.

Hutchinson: Anybody out there have a copy of the pattern that starts out: A great lover is very sensitive to the needs of his partner, how she softly moans, where she twitches... as she becomes gradually and gradually more and more engulfed by a building growing pleasure... And do you know where it came from?

Bjorn: dj eclypz said: >This Don fellah had to rehash the old Bjorn situation. Awhh Bjorn, now >there's another guy that I got something to say to. Bjorn, with all due >sincerity, you mentioned a PUA frame a while back. Well, I'm here to tell >you that I haven't met a pick up artist yet...... >Why would you want to play with a woman's heart intentionally for >just a moment's pleasure? Why aren't you man enough to just state what it is >you want? I've done it before. I have told a woman, hey look. All I really >want right now is wild sex. Nothing more. Are you interested? And you >know what? When I say it I mean it. I am no longer going to sit on my ass.... >Whatever you decide to do, decide something and quit relying on this >newsletter to be a backboard for your lack of adventure, and start sharing >some ideas that might possibly help others to live out their dreams of having >options in life, like who they can fall in love with. >After all, that's what it's all about my friends, love....

Bjorn: I agree with you that "pick up performer" is a better analogy than "pick up artist" for the successful SS incumbent. But "pup" sounds more AFCish than " PUA ".... Your comments about stating to the target HB that one really wants wild sex go against the very premise of FMAC ; Find, Meet, Attract and Close. It seems as if you are advising to just skip the "Attract" part of FMAC and try to close asap. This just does not make any logical sense to me!!! Isn't it a given that most (normal) guys just want wild sex??? Lastly, you close your post to the newsgroup by saying that it is all about falling in love. This is afc talk. I am "wired" to be an alpha male. Why concentrate on one female if I can learn how to get 10 hotter ones. Hugh Hefner should be a role model and not some afc supplicating to his one love.

Linda: Is 30+ really too old for you guys? Not all 30+ women look like wrinkled, fat bags of shit but I guess there are far too many of them for some guys to even consider thinking that there are some HB 's in that age range. Where do you guys live? Are most the "older" women heffers? I know many attractive interesting women over thirty who aren't as repulsive as some guys have described. I think that guys who focus on age and a certain look may be limiting themselves. You're shrinking the pool of applicants! Yeah, looks and age matter to certain extent but a more important factor I think is attitude and openness. There are women I know who are in their thirties who are constantly getting hit on by younger men. Being thin and well-groomed helps them but I think it is their receptivity and their ability to establish rapport that keeps these guys coming around.

D.S. (Responding to Ross): >Care to go one on one against me in a Sarge contest? I'll whip your ass >anywhere outside of a club or a bar where I don't go cause I can't make >myself heard without screaming. I'm 42, very average, if not Ugly, and >I'll spot you 2-1..I have to get 2 numbers/kiss closes, etc. for every one >you do.

Sure thing, guy. I live in Hollywood, Calif. P.S. Lots of guys go to clubs and make themselves "heard without screaming" and nail brawds that night. Why can't you?

My Comment: The challenge has been accepted. I think we'd like a report on the results.