Damn, I am too late here
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Clifford : For you guys that are into using Speed Seduction, there is a new product you may want to check out.
First, for those of you that may not know, Dave Riker is a guy that has been a trainer at SS
seminars for years now. He did an SS "Methods and Masters"
CD a while back. He can been seen and heard on a bunch of Ross Jeffries' products, normally making comments and answering questions in the background. I think he is also featured on an early DYD product as well. He has a great teaching style that works especially well with most technical/engineering/financial guys.
Anyway, most guys that know him have been waiting YEARS for him to get products out and his first one was just released. It's "Dave Riker's Speed Seduction Technical Manual".
Many guys know how good SS is but it can be a lot of info to digest. Not only has it changed over the years but there is a lot of details, and ways to look at women, a lot of tools that Ross normally describes, and then a whole series of steps that you take a chick through.
I know that many SS guys that do "get it" take a while before they can sort of make sense of it all (and some never do).
Anyway what Riker did was he took a lot of what SS is made of and put it all together in like a technical, structured way. It ' s all organized piece by piece so that it easier to understand and grasp all the stuff within SS.
Ross's private email list has been talking about this for a few weeks now and the reviews have been pretty good. (I would be up for getting a review from any SS guys that have checked out a copy of it.)
Anyway, I will leave it to Riker to talk about it.
Dave Riker : Cliff, I wanted to tell the guys on your list a new product I came out with, it called "Dave Riker's Speed Seduction Technical Manual".
Anyone who has REALLY studied SS knows that it can be really powerful, but admittedly, there is a LOT of info to understand. I know of a guys that have always wanted it to be kind of "sorted out" so they can understand what to really DO and how it really WORKS. Plus, Ross is a smart guy but I know that there are a lot of like "technical guys" out there that have always wanted a lot of SS stuff to be broken down, explained, presented with more of a "structure" to it.
That's what "Dave Riker's Speed Seduction Technical Manual" does.
I take a lot of the concepts in SS and really spell them out in a structured way, so that people's ability to understand, know, and really use SS increases. Plus one cool thing is that a lot of guys that work with this product find that it helps them to understand their other SS products a LOT more. (It also sorts out a lot of what works - and what doesn't - in many of the other "systems" out there as well).
I don't want to take up a lot of space on your List talking about it, so probably the best way for guys to hear about it is to go check out a full write-up on my web page
http : //www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
The reviews so far have been very good, and I trust a lot of your subscribers will be helped by it. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Brian (reposted from the The DJ Tip of the Day with permission of the author):
** Potentially Awkward Situations **
I recently had a day. But not just any day, it was one of those days where the sun is pushed way up in the sky, the clouds slowly drift by, and cats and dogs live together in perfect harmony. My tips are buried in the story.
And believe it or not, this day was my first pool day of the summer. There was this young lady who tried to "Let's Just Be Friends" (LJBF) me. That was about a year and a half ago. I still date her (did I mention she is hot LOL) and enjoy just hanging out with her. Anyway, this young lady invited me and my 3 year old son to the pool. Perfect, some rays, a little water, hot babes, and a hot 'friend' with me.
So we get to the pool and this particular pool has two levels. The upper level is very large, with a place to swim, play volley ball in the pool, and lay out in rafts, then it snakes around in a channel not 8 feet across, to empty into a waterfall. This water fall is the start of where we were, the KIDDY pool. About 4 feet deep at the deepest, with one section that was only 16 inches deep, but had like 20 sprinkler heads spraying water in the air.
As I was walking in I did the slow scope. Hot blonde in front with two kids around, two women across the pool with 3 kids between them, and another hot blonde near the end of the pool with her young son.
So I walk in, help my HB9 get situated, then I jump in the pool with my son. The two oldest kids (9 girl & 8 boy) think my son and I are having too much fun. Remember, I am a single dad with custody, my kid already hits the weights, doesn't eat junk food, and if you ask him what we do to hotties, he will tell you, "Tease them, and run away."
So I start playing with the two kids. One other boy of about 5 joins in. We are splashing, and yelling, and dunking, and having a great time.
About this point I notice the kids are getting so wound up, they are starting to splash the adults on accident. Perfect! Up, out of the pool.
Now, with my date watching I proceed to introduce myself to every woman there. I shake hands, flirt with everyone for just a moment, get a name, use it, and I am on to the next one.
Now, the one I wanted to meet was the first hot blonde I mentioned. Dark tan, long blonde hair, that, given how skimpy her electric blue thong was, was real, and killer chest.
I find out the 9 year old girl is hers, but the 8 year old boy (the king of boy wussies) is her nephew and she is glad I am playing with him. She says her sister treats him too easy. Just for notes, my 3 year old son is tougher, stronger, and can take this kid in everything but size.
Anyway, I go back to playing. The 9 year old girl falls in love with me. (That's the problem with being an attractive man. All women, of all ages, are very aware of you.) This darling little lady asks if I am single.
Now, my date is within earshot. "Yes, I am single... thank God."
This darling points at her mom and says, "I like you, why don't you marry her?"
Now her mom (HB9 skimpy blue thong) gets real nervous, and is obviously attracted to me, but now kinda annoyed her daughter is rushing the game. I look at her mom, and tell the young lady "Well, she is cute enough, but I don't know if she can cook yet, and she doesn't look like she can keep up with me!"
Instant reaction. My date laughs, the daughter tells me she is a great cook, and HB9 starts giving me the "oh, I wouldn't worry, I can keep up with you."
Now this is where it really starts getting interesting. I see her actually "start" in her skin. She then looks at me and says, "I know you."
Me: Sure you do, can't you think of a better pick up line?
Her: No, really, I know you. We met about 6 months ago, when you and your son were out for pizza.
Me: Really? What happened?
Her: You flirted with me, and got my number. I remember it perfectly! Don't you?
Me: No, not at all.
MY date is laughing from across the pool.
Her: You don't remember? How many girls do you meet?
Me: Hmmm, do you want that figure by the day or week?
Her: By the day!
Me: 2 or 3.
Her: Why so many?
Me: I am single.
Her: Oh.
Me: Let me ask you something. If I got your number, did I call you?
Her: Yes.
Me: Did you call me back?
Her: No. But I had lot's going on, and timing is everything. It was just a hectic time in my life.
Me: I see. I called, you didn't call back. That must suck for you. I don't like you. (sly smile)
Her: But you never called again.
Me: Nope. You get one, and only one, opportunity to be with a man like me. Wrong time or not.
At this point I just go back to playing with the kids. My date joins me in the pool, and we all splash, dunk, play tag, and laugh for a while. I tease HB9 a little about being too stuck up to join us.
After an hour of this, my date and I get out, and the kids keep playing. The little girl gets out and lays by me in the sun, instead of her mom, half a pool away. I had only been out of the pool for a few minutes, when HB9 ask if we want some pizza. I tease her about ordering food that was around the first time she says I picked her up.
I told her you can never go back, and she shouldn't live in the past. My date and her both laugh at that.
Anyway, I say yes to the pizza, ordering for me, Jr., and my date. Then I offer money to help out. HB9 tells me she has it. I tell her I appreciate it, then, as she is walking away, I tell her to hurry up.
After pizza, we are sitting around, just chatting. HB9 looks at me a time or too and mentions how timing is everything. Perfect.
Through my interaction with her, I never changed. Not when she informed me she didn't call me back, not during the teasing, or pizza or anything. Fun, confident, teasing.... like it or don't. I didn't care.
Anyway, I have to take Jr. to the bathroom..... ahh, the joys of fatherhood (I do love it). We walk up to the bathroom, and walk past the most stunning red head I have ever seen. OMG. Dark tan skin. I mean really dark, like almost the color of a Brazilian.
She has a very tight little body, a light six pack for abs, small chest, long, very soft looking red hair, and is wearing a see through white bikini. I take Jr. in the bathroom, on my way out I walk up and say "hi, are you single?" She kinda startles a little, takes off her glasses, looks at me, looks at Jr. then back at me. I can tell by her face she is confused and not all that interested in me..... yet.
She tells me yes, she just moved here for school. I make a little small talk, but I can tell she is not into me. Perfect, I have nothing to loose. Not two minutes into the conversation she starts sipping a smoothie of some kind. Without hesitating, I say.. "You shouldn't drink those!"
Her: Why not?
Me: They will make your boobs small. (I then look down at her chest and let her watch me do it) Damn, I am too late here.....
Her: OMG, I can't believe you said that.
Me: (I look her dead in the eye and pause, pause, pause....) Yeah, I said it. (sly smile) (She then looks away and kinda smiles.)
Me: Glad you got to meet me..... (and I walk away)
Normally, I would have done a number close there, but I didn't have a pen, and if she did, I would have liked to seen where it was hiding. I walk back to my date and HB9 on the lower level. There is no way they could have seen the exchange.
My date: Meet anyone up there?
Me: Yes.
Date: Cute little red head in a white bikini?
Me: Yes?
Date: (to HB9) I told you he would!
I just laugh and tell her I love being her friend (after a year and a half I still tease her about that).
Not 5 minutes later, here comes the HB10 red head. She sees me, see the other 2 hot women I am with, and kinda stops in her tracks. Then she starts for the gate. I yell to her "No reason to be stuck up, you can come say hi!"
She starts heading my way, and I stand to get her name (I hadn't yet). I introduce her, then we make small talk with her laughing a lot. At one point, when I could feel a little sexual tension growing, I asked her (with my date and HB9 listening)
Me: Can you cook?
Her: Hmmm, well, mac and cheese....
Me: Are you rich?
Her: (laughs) No.
Me: Are you bisexual?
Her: (laughing again) No.
Me: I just don't think this relationship is going to work out.
Her: (laughing) Getting rid of me already?
Me: Well, you have cute little freckles. Little angels kisses! I guess we could still be friends.
Her: (blushing) I have to go now. Do you have a pen, I will give you my number.
Me: (laughing) Do I look like I have a pen?
Her: Ohhh, well, uhmm......
She then tells me where she works, etc. (NOTE: I did go by her work the next day and get her number. She is coming over for dinner tomorrow!)
Ok, our little party starts to wind down. We are getting ready to leave and HB9 ask if I still have her number. Hello??? No, I don't still have your number. So she asks for mine. I give it and she programs it in her phone.
She asks for my last name. Uhmm, no, you could be a stalker. My date then says "Hey, you used that on me!" "Yes, I did, and I meant it, you didn't get my last name till I was sure you were cool." My date then agrees with this, and HB9 tells me she needs something cause she already has a Brian in her phone. I laugh at her and tell her to get creative. My date tells her what to put. Funny stuff.
Fast forward 5 hours. My date and I are now at karaoke. We walk in and I know a few people, as does she. Her and one of her gf's start chattering, so I get up and start introducing myself to every person in the place, a few minutes of conversation and I am gone.
Met a table of 2 cute chicks that just got in from Hawaii. I played them against each other so they would tell me the great stories about each other, and it worked like a charm. Each one trying to out do the others.
I also met a cute blonde HB9+ who used to be a bartender at this place. I tease her about getting fired (she took a different job) and how she couldn't handle customers like me. She is sitting one table away from the two Hawaiian chicks and she is sitting with 6 guys.
My date finds me, and we start chatting. She wants to go back to her place, so we get up to leave. As we are walking out HB9+ grabs me, gives me a huge hug and ask for my number, just so she can keep in touch *wink*. I give her my number with my date standing right there.
She then asks if I want hers. No, not really... with a smile. She hits me, and my date slaps my arm. As HB9+ gives me her number, she looks at my date and says, we are just friends and I am so cool, and she just wants to hang out. I say, in a very clear voice "Don't worry about her, she swings both ways."
My date blushes. Every guy at the table opens his mouth dumbfounded. One even took offense LOL. The HB9+ perks up... "Really, cool, here (gives my date her number too) you guys call me, we will hook up!" I tell her maybe, but she has to cook US dinner.
As we start to walk away, I introduce my date to the Hawaiian chicks. Apparently one of them is bi, and she is interested in hooking up with us too. LOL. I love my life. My date and I head back to her place.
Well, it's not your typical tip(s), but in this one day, I ran into some of the most potentially awkward situations.
1) a girl who had already given me her number, and then blown me off.
2) a stunning 20 year old (I am 33) who wasn't interested at first.
3) my date who was originally my LJBF chick. She really is cool.
4) my date getting busy talking with friends at a bar (I always walk away and meet people at the bar. Anytime the girl gets to talking with someone else, go meet men and women.)
5) the bi bartender.
6) the bi Hawaii chick.
Oh yeah, and there are some GREAT examples of cocky and funny. Fearless cocky and funny works magic.
I have to run now though, meeting the HB9 in about an hour. And my date called and asked me out for this evening. I accepted, which means I will have to cut HB9 short this afternoon.
Guess she should have called back the first time. As she mentioned repeatedly, timing is everything. ------------------------
Comments on Brian's interview:
Daanish:
Your questions to Brian were really good. It's hard to find ones so well targeted, at least targeted towards the stuff I'm interested in. Too bad Brian didn't do that great a job of answering them, but ahh well, at least he gave some advice and practical knowledge. I hope my negativity doesn't sound like criticism, I just mean it wasn't too helpful towards my particular situation. I did think his stuff was quite motivational. My problem was this: you asked on 2 separate occasions what one can do to improve one's dating life, to get on the road that he's on. His analogy of a bench press was quite good, and I would assume quite accurate, that one must DO to get there. However what he didn't touch on was, do what? I doubt one should just go up to any girl passing by and say "Hi, wanna go out?" Sure if you've got balls of steel and do that to 100 girls you might get a chance but realistically speaking going up at random to anyone passing by and being as abrupt as that, I don't think that would be a good idea. Not
that I'm not willing to go out and DO, just that I would prefer something more specific or with more structure i.e. how to make conversation or start one, or where to meet one (RJ suggests coffee shops). I think if he'd mentioned that it would have been a great plus point. I know in a yahoo group I'm a part of they have this drill, for 21 days ask EVERYone for the time. Then for the next drill find some women to interview, ask them 10 questions, etc. Such things are concrete, and although we are being forced to DO something, one knows what to do. These are the kinds of suggestions I would have liked to see. And I'm just guessing here but I think this is the kind of stuff that Brian would have actually done, I don't think even he went up to any lady passing by and stopped her to talk, etc. until he was at a much more advanced level.
Brian responds: Well put questions. I thought I DID answer though. What you do is start talking to everyone. I can't remember how many times I said this, but that's what you do. And if you only have the balls to talk to one a day, then do one a day. If it's 100, then it's 100. It is what it is, but as you get comfortable walking up to anyone and saying hi, then you learn to tease girls. Same way, you just do it. YOU MAKE YOURSELF. This is what I did. I just made myself go way out of my comfort zone cause what I had, wasn't what I wanted.
And when I found out I couldn't go up and ask them out, I just started going up and saying hi they looked "lost, bored, tired, happy, pissed, whatever, then ask why? Just to start a conversation. Talk a minute then say bye.
As for where? Fuck EVERYWHERE. If you are in line, say hi to the cashier, male or female. Stores, park, gym, school, malls, wherever people are. The problem is most guys are thinking how do I approach this female I find attractive, and not hearing or reading where I wrote I approached everyone. So they never approach anyone and never grow their confidence.
Nick V.: This is my report about the Major Mark BS seminar held in July 04 in Montreal. After I go back home which was about three weeks later, I started doing the exercise which Mark suggested which was called the Holy Trinity with a small twist. The twist was only to look at my periphery, that is looking at everything to my side every time everywhere. This is like going into some sort of trance state or as they say in Huna, Hakala. I continue to do this everyday, every time of the week as much as possible and as Mark said if you do it for 3 weeks it becomes permanant .
Performing this excercise I have noticed the following effects: calmness, being more centered, shutting off a large portion of monkey brain chatter and the next best thing was that my subconscious started taking control and telling myself all the positive things and reframes Mark had said during the seminar about being seductive and being the man you want to be. This resulted in incredible change beliefs that just clicked and the effect for me has been as follows. In the past, I wouldn't be able to approach women during the day in any scenario, it would be a struggle, i.e. women walking, standing around, coffee shops, in groups, etc., etc., etc. I was limited to bars, pubs, nightclubs, etc., and this has been a massive explosion of freedom which now has resulted in me always going forward and doing anything which had been a challenge in the past in every part of my life not just sarging. As for sarging, granted no closing of deals has started yet however I realize you have to crawl a little before you can wal
k and then run. Just doing what I am doing now has been amazing. What I have also noticed is that this has resulted in other people around me acting and behaving differently. Even strangers in a positive way. In addition to doing the Holy Trinity, the other things which have been of real benefit have been going back to Mark's Hypnotic Awakenings tapes, trance 1 & 2 everyday. Doing Mark's rotating energy exercise a couple of times a week, the installing charm exercise, and anchoring whilst thanking my subconcious as Mark suggested. Now my next step is to become fully proficient in the Holy Trinity. To all others reading this, as Mark says, do the drills and be relentless. Some of you might only have to do the drills once or twice, however some of you it could take more since you don't know how much muck you need to clear. ------------------------------------------------------- I have to add an observation with regard to Uriah's & Mark B's discussion on physical appearance. This is a true story which was bac
ked up with first hand evidence. Rumours had persisted about a guy back here in Oz who is a friend of a friend. The rumour was that wherever this guy goes, women just come up to him and openly state to him the desire to bed him there and then. Not just one woman but lots. This was rumoured to happen to him all the time in different locations day and night. Well we decided to go out with this guy to confirm the rumours which were proved true. This guy doesn't run around attempting to sarge every woman in the place. Women are attracted to him and they make the move on him.
What it is about this guy is what Uriah explains. He has a full life, his presence in the room is felt by the women, he continually has things happening in his life, he has a purpose in life, he is primal in his life, not domineering but dominant, and he has charm. Basically all the stuff that Uriah says. He is 39 years old, average build and looks and no gym freak. He has energy which women find attractive, he leads a life full of experiences which women desire. From all this he has women in their 20's & older wanting him. He always has more than one women on the go in his life.
Uriah, you hit the nail on the head, be the man you desire to be and others find it so attractive all they go do is follow.
Snozberry:
Local guru master, I have to compliment you on your field reports and your write ups for Cliff's list. You are my favorite poster on any forum and I always eagerly await to see what you will write. I have a question about style. I've been learning about style for the last year -- and now that I have a little money I have been indulging in a few items. However, I am still not fully versed on the differences between style and peacocking. I would love to know some of your specific tips and things you have learned on how to make yourself a 10.
The local guru master replies: Hey man, thanks for the interest. I'm probably not a ten, but feel like I am sometimes. It's hard for me to answer your question without meeting you. How I would dress you would depend on your bodylanguage, mannerisms, and overall personality. For example, I wouldn't dress Cliff up in eyeliner/ripped jeans because he's too uptight, too stiff. So his style should be more like TURBO YUPPIE : ) I am poking fun, but that style suits him. He is interested in coke-snorting anorexic golddiggers with fake tits who treat men like shit, so his style works for him.
Cliff's Comment: Really?! Is that what you call them now?
The guru continues: About peacocking, I just meshed toghether a bunch of ideas that I stole from other PUA's, particularly Mystery and the RSD boys. I got the eye-liner idea from Mys (And OZZY and Motley Crue, etc.), the ripped jeans was something I did in high-school, and resurrected them when I saw Sickboy007. I bought my boots from this really cool fashion store in Montreal called MotoPiston, and get most of my shirts from VALUE VILLAGE! You can find alot of cheap/cool clothes second-hand, if you have the time to look through everything. I also bring my girls there. You should see it, they become like kids in a chocolate factory. Most of the dress shirts I buy are from the WOMEN'S section, as they have a tighter fit around the waist and look almost custom made. I am also a fan of wearing shirts that are a little too small, because it's sexier. Even if your body is out of shape, tight shirts can still look cool (it subcommunicates that you don't give a fuck, that you are comfortable in your own skin). I als
o wear a bunch of leather bracelets on my wrists, just to stand out a little. I saw a 60 year old guy on the metro the other day who got opened by a spring chicken of about 45, simply because he had on flashy RED SHOES. The guy was average looking, but looked like a fun guy who didn't take himself too seriously. I was with 4 girls at the time, and they all said he was cute because of his shoes. Get to know your hairdresser. Then cheat on him and spring for the 50 dollar haircut. Go see him with your new cut and have him look at it. My guy can replicate the 50-dollar cut and he only charges me TEN BUCKS, TIP INCLUDED. Get some NIVEA face cream. It will make your skin look fantastic. Get some fun T-SHIRTS. I have a ZIG ZAG t-shirt that gets me opened 5-25 times a night. Chicks who smoke weed also tend to fuck guys like it's nothing. So my shirt is a stoner magnet. I'm thinking of getting seven ZIGZAG shirts, one for every day of the week! Eye-liner. You don't have to paint it on, just use a little. It's designe
d to bring out your eyes. Girls tell me I have nice eyes all the time now, and very few have noticed the actual makeup. I also use a LITTLE sparkles on my eyelids. Again, it's just a subtle way of making your eyes stand out. Anyway, hope this helps.
Josh: Hi Cliff, interesting interview with Brian, but don't you think the fact that he is well-endowed: ''I will go in and buy 2 or 3 boxes of the Magnum economy packs (that's like 64-96 condoms). Without fail, the woman checking me out will blush and try to make some joke about it.... I will just tell them practice makes perfect. Do the usual tease and flirt and then I let them take my number. The 25 and 18 year olds both worked at Walgreens, although, not at the same time.'' allows him to have a lot more success than the average man? Not in the intial phases of course, but in keeping around ones that would otherwise move on?
Brian responds: LOL It may be a little bigger than average, mainly bigger around, but I just don't like my condom so big it cuts off blood flow....And without my skills, they would never see the dick.
And if you don't use magnum, that's ok, just go buy whatever condom. I had never really thought about that effect on women. As far as size keeping them around, very few say it's too big, some say they have had way bigger, but most don't say a word.... and I had the same size dick when I wasn't good with women......
Josh continues:
On a better note, here is a little incident that happened to me one week ago that I find quite bizarre. Met a girl on AOL the other night. She was a cute little blonde, 21 years old, nice firm tits and a great ass. We talked on the phone for quite some time before she came over to hang out. She gives me the oh-so-typical 'We're just hanging out, no sex' BS, which always means we are having sex. But then the conversation takes a strange twist. She has had a boyfriend for the past 2 years, but admitted to cheating on him twice. Once at her 21st birthday party in Vegas she met a guy in a club and took him to a corner and sucked him off. Another time she met a guy out at a local bar and spent the night with him. Not really caring about this girl, and fed up with 'bimbo-logic' as I call it, I just start ripping on her. Statements like 'wow, you are a really great girlfriend, your loser boyfriend must really be proud', etc. We meet at a gas station then come back to my place. A few drinks later she is on my bed, we
fool around a bit, she puts a stop to it. Then we go through this whole routine again.... she stops it. Then she goes out on my balcony for a smoke and I turn on the TV and basically ignore her. She lays down on my couch with her feet on my lap. I start rubbing her tits. She asks if I like them, I say I'd like them better unleashed. She sits up and takes her bra off without taking her shirt off. I start rubbing them underneath her shirt, then pull her shirt over them and start sucking them. She is getting hot now and I go for the belt and remove the jeans with no resistance. Next I finger her until she is soaking, then take her by the hand and lead her to the bedroom. We start fucking, then she gets on all fours and says she wants to be a slut and a whore, and wants it rough. I call her my little slut and fuck her good. Then I make her sit on her knees, mouth open/eyes closed, and tease her with my cock. She asks if she can touch herself, I say no. She calls me master. Eventually we fuck some more, I shoot it
on her, then smear my load all over her tits and stomach. I make her pick up the slimy condom on the floor and throw it away, give me a shower, dry me off, etc. We sleep, three hours later she is rubbing and kissing me all over wanting more. As she leaves she tells me to not email or IM her because her boyfriend uses her screen name and that she can't give me her # because it will show up on her cell phone. Next day she says she wants to see me again because thinking about what we did makes her wet. I will never understand women but sometimes it is fun trying ; )
Rick: There appears to be a website out there which allows for someone to give out fake email addresses as a mean of a rejection when being PU'ed. The emailer will receive an automated email response telling them that he/she has been had. On top of that, the emails are posted on the site as a mean of ridicule. Real lame. Check out the site: www.papernapkin.net/
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Please send them to him at david@be-relentless.com. I would recommend you copy me as well (cliff@cliffslist.com) so I will make sure they get answered.
All subscribers of these emails will be given a free subscription and, as here, you can unsubscribe at any time. I know that you will find his comments and advice to be pretty unique and very useful. We are also making progress on the long awaited book which we hope will be ready relatively soon now.
The tapes of the David Seminar are now available and are being shipped upon receipt of your order, but please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. You can visit the website at www.be-relentless.com and orders should be made through paypal (go to www.paypal.com and send money to sales@be-relentless.com) if you need some other way to make payment, inquire at info@be-relentless.com. This product comes on two DVD discs for a total of approximately 6 1/2 hours of playing time. The price is $230 USD + $20 USD for the DVD which covers shipping and handling anywhere in the world. Inquire about shipping by overnight courier. These tapes are now available in a sound only version also.
Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available. David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual problems with certain women. You can get on the phone, answer his questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on how to succeed in your particular mission.
PLEASE NOTE: This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of www.doubleyourdating.com (who has posted some great stuff here under the name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of www.davidshade.com).
Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List. Also note: RSD will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Classroom Seminars
October 15-16, 2004 Melbourne, Australia
October 22-23, 2004 Sydney, Australia
November 12-13, 2004 New York, USA
December 3-4, 2004 San Francisco, USA
In-Field Workshops
October 14-16, 2004 Melbourne, Australia
October 21-23, 2004 Sydney, Australia
November 11-13, 2004 New York, USA
December 2-4, 2004 San Francisco, USA
Individualized Bootcamps
September 17-19, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
September 17-19, 2004 New York, USA
September 24-26, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
September 24-26, 2004 New York, USA
October 1-3, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
October 1-3, 2004 New York, USA
October 8-10, 2004 Los Angeles, USA
October 8-10, 2004 New York, USA
Go to www.realsocialdynamics.com/ to signup for these events on their schedule.
New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.set nalife.com. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover in Toronto on October 22-24. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars
Finished for 2004
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2004
Location Dates
Cancun, Mexico November 7 thru 13
Your Mind in Business
Finished for 2004
Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has announced his schedule for 2004:
*Introduction To Hypnosis -- The New Curriculum -- Las Vegas September 20-24
This year we were asked by a national hypnosis group to develop a New Curriculum for the training of hypnotists -- one which would reflect the absolute best of what has always worked while incorporating our own cutting-edge discoveries. We wanted a curriculum that was so comprehensive in explication and exercise that the graduates could walk into an internship anywhere in the world, secure that they were the best-trained hypnotists in the place. The result is being rolled out over five days in Las Vegas. This is your chance to immerse yourself in the most comprehensive approach to powerful, positive, permanent change ever presented!
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about these seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus" such as (), David X, and many others.
NEW 2004 Seminar Schedule:
Saturday, October 9 th: ‘Meeting Women in Bars & Clubs.. and Other Public Places’ (New York City)
Sunday, October 10th: "Cocky Comedy’ (New York City
Tentative: Las Vegas beginning of 2005.
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
www.davidshade.com SEMINAR: Nov. 6 and 7, San Francisco
What would it be like to have everything you've ever wanted sexually with the women in your life?
The Advanced Sexual and Psychological Techniques to Drive Your Woman Wild
* Learn the aspects of bringing out the ruthlessly expressive sexual creature in your woman.
* Discover how to bring out her deepest desires, and even desires she never knew about.
* Learn the ways to mentally stimulate her to make her wildly crazy about you.
* Find out how to excite and fulfill her beyond her wildest dreams.
* Know that you can create and enjoy a relationship with a woman who is completely loyal and responsive to you.
This seminar will demonstrate to you what it means to be the personally and sensually powerful man that sexual women are longing to be with.
One of the greatest benefits of attending this seminar is that you will discover how to find a high quality woman and keep her screaming for more.
Presented by David Shade, the author of David Shade's Manual.
Special guest speakers:
Craig Eubanks - President of the San Francisco Sleep Walkers organization
will introduce you to the power of hypnosis.
Sensei and Wilder - Two highly skilled men at managing multiple women
will speak on "More Sex, Less Drama: Day Two and Beyond"
* How to build a stable of Girlfriends and keep them extremely happy.
* How to introduce women to new areas of intimacy and sexuality, including threesomes.
* How to have fun dealing with drama.
* How to enjoy your women even more.
* How to never get dumped again.
* How to build the type of girlfriend you can't wait to wake up next to.
Nov 6 and 7, 2004, San Francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out http : //www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/ Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.playboylifestyle.net
San Diego- (USA) October 21-22-23 $850 (SOLD OUT!)
San Diego- (USA) October 28-29-30 $850 (SOLD OUT!)
Phoenix- (USA) November 4-5-6 $850
UK (Europe) December 9-10-11 $850
Melbourne(Australia) January 20-21-22 (2005) $995.95
Sydney(Australia) February 10-11-12 (2005) $995.95
Cancun (March 2005) : 10-11-12 $995.95
Mexico city(March 2005): 24-25-26 $995.95
Amsterdam April 14-15-16 $995.95
You can make a deposit ($200) for a workshop on Paypal and send money to: nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! www.seductionlair.com/
The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!
Wilder & Sensei are giving workshops also. See www.pickup101.com Initial reports are that they are doing a spectacular job.
Sanek has a new website up at fybb.eluid.org Check it out and see his comments.
Check out the 'supermarket of seduction' at www.seductionpro.com. Lots of interesting products to look into.
Impact Interaction (www.impactinteraction.com) @ London
Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.
The workshops include:
- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear
- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance
- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…
For more information go to www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.
Flirting Weekend Bristol (UK) - 23/24 October 2004
Flirting Weekend London - 4/5 December 2004
Learn how to develop immense pulling power in every aspect of your life!
"Flirting isn't just about impressing the opposite sex and picking up a partner, it's about getting on with people", says Peta Heskell, the founder of Britain's only Flirting Academy. "Great flirts do it with everyone -flirt that is!" Flirting is a way of interacting with people that makes it fun and easy to connect with them and makes them want to be with you. Become super sexy, develop your conversation power, boost your confidence, courage and self esteem and find out how to approach strangers and feel good. You may be looking for love, want to make more friends or improve the way you interact with people in general.
Flirt with life. Flirt for love. Flirt for fun. Flirt for success.
For more information about the October Flirting Weekend in Bristol, contact
LifeTalks - tel. 0117 973 1010, email info@lifetalks.co.uk or visit www.lifetalks.co.uk For more information about the December Flirting Weekend in London and other workshops with Peta, contact The Attraction Academy tel. 0700 4 354 784 or
visit www.attractionacademy.com/
Have you ever asked yourself...
* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?
* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?
* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?
Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)
Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.
Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.
There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.
Step by Step Threesomes
Hey, check out Suzy Bauer's site and her e-book (we need a review, so someone get this and let us know what you think) about creating threesomes. Suzy is an attractive married bi-sexual woman who says that her e-book will show you what to do to create threesomes, how to overcome resistance and how no one can tell you how to do this better than a woman. www.stepbystepthreesome.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"
www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm
Maximillian Hell:
I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.
www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell
Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):
http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: www.dynamicsexlife.com/
Someone needs to check this site and its products out also: www.mensniche.com (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Daniel:
If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
Carlos Xuma:
Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, sex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm
() (@.com ):
has a system and set of Tarot Cards that he his going to be launching soon. Find out more at his website.
P.S. Try magic words 'ben' 'rap' and 'nlp'.
A few sites to check out:
Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).
Check out Payton Kane www.seduceandconquer.com. VERY interesting. There will be a review of his product here shortly.
Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com
The Foundations of Seduction
Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and
drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD www.sexualkey.com/
LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
To find out more about "Freedom with Women", contact
davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com
HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. howtosucceedwithwomen.com/
Advanced Macking:
In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm
Michael:
If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level, you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminars in Toronto. It is two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.
There are also awesome guest speakers at these seminar:
To learn more about this special seminar, go to:
And follow the "Seminars" link.
And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.
Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!
Download it now at:
www.thedatingwizard.com/ And follow the link to "About The Dating Wizard"
FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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