Even a few girls liked me BECAUSE of it

[summary]Ross Jeffries, Mark B., a guru master and others comment on the Sean Stephenson interview.[/summary]
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A guru master:

Comments on Sean Stephenson:

Cliff that was really inspirational and depressing.

One thing I would recommend for this guy (I'm not handicapped, so I don't want to seem "know-it-all", and I could be wrong, but shit, psychology has gotten him this far, and I really think this could help him).

He should tell this story (about the girl that disqualified him for his handicap, even though it was blatantly obvious that she wanted him) to girls on his day 2's with them, or maybe even before that.

The frame being that he is QUALIFYING them. He should be using his handicap as LEVERAGE, getting sex BECAUSE of his handicap. Once they sleep with him,

they'll backwards-rationalize to themselves that they want to be with him that much more.

Anyway, as for leveraging them into the sack, I would try talking about how girls can be SO JUDGMENTAL, and so insecure about what their friends think.

IOW, figure out how to BAIT THEM to qualify themselves, "I am not like that."

Because once they SAY IT VERBALLY, there is almost no going back.

For that girl who rejected him, "You know, you shouldn't throw me away until you've tried me!"

Here we go... as I write this, a routine is magically coming together in my mind. To be used sometime during RAPPORT/COMFORT phase, once she is attracted and giggling. It's touchy, because the very act of bringing this up can be seen as insecurity or whatever. It's going to take some finesse.

Do the girls mention his handicap usually? Like, do they ask him about it? Or are they afraid to talk about it, the same way a psychologist is afraid to talk about money? Anyway, he sounds like his game is super-tight already, and I'll assume that HE can bring it up in a funny way, like, "Watch out! Three feet of testosterone coming through!" type humor.

Anyway, the trick would be to use the following routine when it's NATURAL to do so, such as her asking about his handicap. Also, it's easy to BAIT the girl into asking. Once she asks him something, he could say something like this:

"You know, it's funny you ask, because I recently dated this girl, and we really hit it off and had this awesome connection on EVERY level (implying the SEX was great too, without bringing it up directly), but then, after a while I started to get weirded out because I realized that I still hadn't met any of her friends. I tried to talk to her about it, and it felt like she was evading the issue. Finally, she admitted that she never told them about me, because she was *embarrassed*!! (Here the girl will show a lot of sympathy, and you don't want too much sympathy, so...) So my "condition" definitely has its challenges. ON THE OTHER HAND THOUGH, I've dated quite a few women for whom my size really wasn't an issue AT ALL, and even a few girls liked me BECAUSE of it. They said it made them feel safe, and all that. Anyway, PEOPLE can be really judgmental, but I don't let it get to me, because it's just their insecurity..."

Anyway it's not perfect but you get the idea. The key is to BAIT THEM into verbally committing, "I won't judge you for it." or "I'm not like that" without coming across like that's what you're trying to get her to do : )

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Mark B.:

Comments on Sean interview

With respect to his comments I would agree that most guys who go all out and tell a woman how great they are and what they do tend to miss out on great women because in the end most women tend to be interested in themselves. Any guy who can forego discussions about himself will tend to score major brownie points in her eyes. I think that the whole idea of romance is best saved for a long term gf and when a guy tries to be all romantic and all "relationshipy" with a short time the woman in question sees his behaviour as out of context of where they are in terms of their familiarity with each other. Just like you would not walk up to some random woman on a dark street and tell her you would like to take her home, you could do so to some hottie at a nightclub when you are both loaded and it's almost last call. Different context, different behaviour.

As far as giving her a score card and telling her where to go for its own sake, I think that stretches beyond the normal and proper social conduct. You do not want to come across as judgmental and while this may work on some younger woman any serious woman with any means of self respect would quickly find this sort of behaviour strange and odd.

In his book Blink by Malcolm Gladwell he talks about lawsuits and which doctors tend to be sued more often that not in the US. He found that doctors who spell out the intent, purpose and progression of each patient visit while spending on average about 3 minutes more with each patient tend to have the smallest rate of malpractice suits - in the range of 3%. A doctor who listens to the patient, tells him that in his visit they hope to talk about X, Y, and Z and then leave time for questions by the patient tend to have the highest rate of satisfaction.

I have found the same to be true with women. Telling them what I am looking for, what I plan on going with them when I take them out, what I would like from them in terms of their time and their sexuality tends to make them feel comfortable knowing where they stand and what they expect. I tell them what I accept and what I find unacceptable - which are the deal breakers for me and which are not. This way they know where they stand.

Even when meeting them for the first time I tell them that I would like to get to know them better and spend time with them. I don't see how making fun of a woman or giving her a rating system produces some sort of feeling within her that says: 'OK, now I want to fuck this guy or have some sort of a relationship'. By making one's intent clear with her she knows where you stand, where she stands and in time both of you can create conditions for each other to give one another what both of you want.

The deterioration of relationships tends to occur when the guy trying to be "nice" and appeasing goes out of his way to do what she wants, he never asserts his needs and his wants only to have her walk away because she felt she had no value to him and likewise he had none within himself. She does not know what she wants, gets nervous about his expectations, uses him to get her way in an effort to determine what he is about and then leaves him in frustration thinking "what the fuck did I do wrong? I treated her like gold."

Most guys that fail with women tend to do what she wants, trying to please her. But that does not mean that being successful means ignoring her needs and being forceful in terms of asserting what you want. It means having a balance of telling her what you want and expect and then having her tell you the same so that both of you know where you stand. If a woman wants to be led she will let the guy know by her actions, she'll be more forthright and willing to go along with what he wants to do, but what if she is like that and the guy never finds out because he wants her to lead. Or what about the woman who has expectations of a guy who knows what he wants out of life and from women - a real leader and someone to whom she can look up to as a woman.

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Guiseppe Notte:

The adventure date

I want to talk about a special kind of dates: the adventure date. Most guys take their girls to an expensive restaurant, to the cinema, or to a cafe in the best case. Hot women have gone through many dates like these, and they will usually find them pretty boring or "average". Just like with everything else, I like to separate myself from the crowd of sheep when choosing the location of my get-togethers.

First of all, don't be frightened away by the word "adventure" in the title. You don't have to go rafting with your girl on the first date. It just means something a little bit more "extraordinary". All you need is to use your fantasy and creativity a little. Adventure dates can be exciting and romantic in the same time. This combination will give your lady an unforgettable time. Here are a few examples:

Each and every city has unique features and surroundings. The first step is to discover these. Just check out a local city guide paper or ask someone who knows your city well. A friend of mine has an abandoned castle nearby to his city. He takes girls there on the first date. They take a short trip and end up in the ruins. It’s sort of an adventure. Especially when the girl gets frightened enough and snuggles up to our fellow guy.

My city has other features, which I've learnt to use for my advantage. I usually take my first-date girls to a cafe in one of the local shopping centers. We spend one or one and a half hours there till she loosens up a little and gets comfortable in my company. Then I stand up and suggest that we go somewhere else. This is a wonderful tool to use: the more places you visit on your first date, the more will your girl feel that you "belong together."

If you spend 5 hours in the same cafeteria she will feel like you have just met and nothing happened yet. But if you leave to the nearby park for a walk, then visit some interesting places together, time will pass by quickly and she will feel like "she has known you for some time" and find herself kissing with you very soon. This is a dirty little trick I love to use to "speed up" the dating process.

So back to my city, after the coffee, we usually visit some monuments nearby. We have a little walk while talking as time passes by. Then comes the most romantic part: as the sun goes down, we take a special route unknown to many people. There is a hill in my city with a tunnel crossing it. The tunnel ends in a bridge going through the river. This bridge gets fully illuminated in the evening it’s a wonderful sight. The monuments are on the top of the hill but we start going down the hill and arrive to a special place mid-way: the top of the tunnel. This place is known only by a few people. Everything is totally dark and calm except for the bridge, which lies below us giving a wonderful sight. This is the point where I grab my girl (who is about to melt in bliss by then) and go in for the first kiss.

The above is just an example. I'm sure you can find interesting places and ideas in your own city as well. Just use your fantasy. If there is a big skating road nearby to your house, go skating together. If you have cliffs in your city, go rock climbing. I wouldn't recommend that as a first date though.

If the weather is bad, you can also do indoor adventure dates. These days I usually take my girls to one of the bigger shopping centers. We sit to a cafe, then "discover" the whole place later. This means playing bowling together, shopping clothes for me, going to the bookstore and laughing at the various love-advice or sex books, and so on. Possibilities are endless.

To summarize it, it’s not bad to have a little bit of creativity when it comes to dating. Never be afraid to use your fantasy to separate yourself from the other 99% of guys that she meets. Choosing a good ambient can help her to loosen up on the date quickly. Once she is enjoying herself in your company, it’s easy to go in for the first kiss.

And a little note to those who have a girlfriend already: it’s not bad to spice up your boring weekdays with a little bit of adventure at times. You can use the above ideas to bring some excitement and passion to your existing and future relationships.

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Terrelite:

I liked this interview with Sean Stephenson. I liked many things from it, and I could relate to him, so I can really feel and learn some of the things he said to memorize.

I go and write a lot of times "commit to having fun and not meeting women."

Right now I'm thinking about the term "sandbagging". This term applies when people play with an apparently low rank when their real capacity is much higher. I also like the concept of transforming negative things into positive things. Anyways, some people call me sandbagger when I play chess with them cause I let a friend use my account some years ago, and he got to a certain highest ranking, which keeps recorded on the player's profile. Right now my ranking on that chess site is very far from that. I think this can click for me... that this whole approaching and meeting lots of women is about getting to the highest level, so when you appear like an average joe, you can manage situations which used to be not that easy, very smoothly, because you're trained to do a lot better.

So I'm learning from this Sean interview and memorizing/internalizing some of what he said.

I would like to know great ways to implement affirmations, great alternative ways to do them, and so on.

Another thought... this is all a PUA Culture, and it's got a lot of elements comforming it... So, PUA is a lifestyle, therefore is a culture movement. Maybe there could be done some improvements in the way we see the PUA culture... I write this inspired by Krs One... you may have heard of him, he's old school.

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Cesare Cardinali:

Review: Double Your Dating Advanced Dating Techniques by David DeAngelo

Hey guys,

Clifford asked me to review this DYD product and I have to say that it was a great experience. Overall the product is amazing and I found it to be generous in terms of material. It spans 6 DVDs at over 2 hours each plus there is a workbook that allows you to follow along adequately.

Initially, I expected the Advanced Dating Techniques to cover long term relationship material and I was surprised to see that the main thrust of the product is on what I would term inner game and from there making the first few dates successful. Still very lofty goals but I found the title a bit misleading.

The program is divided into three parts:

1. The Inner Game

2. The Outer Game

3. Special Guests and Meeting Women Online

All of these areas are well treated in the DVDs but I found the section on Inner Game the most thought provoking and innovative.

Essentially, DavidD’s main point is that attraction isn’t a choice, a girl is either attracted to you or not, and there is nothing you or she can do about this.

Whether or not you agree with this point it forms the basis of most of what DavidD discusses after that point. "Attraction happens at an unconscious level as an automatic EMOTIONAL response certain cues…. Attraction does have a "logic" all of its own, complete with techniques you can learn in order to increase it". It is these "techniques" that DavidD is teaching in this product.

The bottom line according to David is that women are genetically sub communicating that they are looking for men that have the potential to produce offspring that will be attractive to others and able to survive.

"If you can communicate that you will produce sexy sons and daughters, then a woman is likely to feel attraction when she interacts with you. Power, dominance, wealth, arrogance, humor, intelligence are all fitness indicators that say I have great genes, and my offspring will have them too".

The DVDs then move onto the difference between attraction and seduction and how you can make yourself a more attractive person. On the way, participants are encouraged to let go of disempowering ideals such as "I want to be myself and have her like me for me" and adopt more empowering ways of looking at things. There is even an exercise to help you identify and decide what you really want out of all this.

The most fascinating aspect of the program, in my view, was the treatment of DNA, Evolution, and Genes and the exciting research surrounding "the Evolution of Attraction and Female Behavior".

This section is not to be missed. DavidD merges the latest scientific theories about DNA/Evolution, the Brain/Mind, Instincts/Programming, and Behavior, and comes up with convincing arguments as to why things are the way they are and how to work with them to produce more success with women. I am sure you will find this subject fascinating and an eye opener in allowing you to see why things may not have worked out in the past, and how to change things for next time.

Once the foundation is built in the first two DVDs, David then gives us the rundown on how to have effective outer game. Advice such as "don't put all your eggs in one basket" and "stop trying to impress women", although sounding like clich és, are backed up with some solid suggestions.

Finally, the product concludes with some interviews with some other men that appear to be skilled with women. Their real world advice and experiences helped wrap all the theoretical stuff that David was talking about into a neat package. Overall, this was a great product and there is definitely enough here to have you reviewing and coming back for more.

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Ross Jeffries:

(Commenting on the Sean Stephenson interview):

> Sean Stephenson:

Lesson 2. Trying to impress a girl will repel her!

I learned the hard way by spending years name dropping what celebrities I knew, how much money I made, where I vacation to, taking women on extremely elaborate dates, doing my homework on girls and then surprising them with trivia about their life...makes me gag just thinking about it. Anyway, the point I am making is as soon as I stopped working to impress girls, they actually took more notice in me. I played around with this learning lesson so much that I found that if I told a woman very little about my life, oddly this impressed her most. Recently I found a great way to

balance out being mysterious and not hiding my life too much from her visibility, which can cause you to appear creepy. When I meet a woman I exchange contact info by giving her my card. My card has my webpage which has tons of fun pictures of me and a bio. I don't tell her to check it out, but they inevitably always do. This assures them I am a really cool guy with my life put together well, all without having to say a word. If she brings it up, I accuse her of stalking me. It works out well.

Ross: One of the more interesting ideas that Aleister Crowley wrote about way in the 20's and 30's was to take aspects of your behavior/personality, pick one and practice subtracting it out/not doing it/substituting something else.

Just as a fun ritual, try subtracting out ALL need to impress ANYONE, for an entire 24 hour period.

Even more useful, create a neutral/observer state of consciousness where you can observe HOW you go about impressing people, or trying to. Some of the ways might be very subtle, and might surprise you to find that they were even there!

> Sean Stephenson: Lesson 3. The more you can elude disclosing your day-to-day stats the hotter you become! Remember that women love being intrigued, surprised, and held in suspense. By not sharing your day-to-day stats up front (e.g. My name is Sean, I am an inspirational speaker, I live in Chicago, I am Taurus) you create a playful and magical environment for a woman to bask in. You become the breath of fresh air that they have been waiting all hour, night, and life for. A woman is held extremely captive by a man who can stand in her presence and not feel the need to barf out his resume. When you start spilling your D-T-D stats they can see right through it and recognize you are desperately trying to impress them, which in turns repels them.

Ross: Ah. Hmmm. Man, I am going to seem like a mismatcher.

Why?

Because, if you do something very well, and you have a passion for it, THAT ***IS*** very attractive to women.

Guys have to strike a balance; are they going to generate more interest, intrigue and curiosity by keeping what they do a mystery, or by letting a

woman know, without trying to impress?

Depends on what you do and your level of passion for it. And the perceived value of it, as well.

> Sean Stephenson: So when I approach a woman whether in a super market, coffee house, church, or club I never open my mouth with out filtering out anything that sounds like I am working to impress her. I mostly open by commenting on the NOW. The temperature of the room, her

outfit, the music playing over head, etc. I keep the conversation rolling by steering very clear of my D-T-D stats. Some guys make the mistake of finding out a lot about a girl and sharing too much in the first few minutes. My fraternity buddy was right. Attraction takes place as soon as you make them laugh. I often do this by over stating the obvious, "Wow, is that a book you're reading? I once saw one in a museum but I really didn't

believe people still actually used them. So how does that work?" If the room is totally empty I will sit right next to her and say, "Is it always this crowded here? I mean what time did you get here to have to get this seat?" If she is a waitress and she brings a GIANT glass of water, I'll say..."excuse me, I ordered a large water!" Anything like that goes over well.

Ross: I'm with Gunwitch here; some initial comfort and curiosity will be generated by humor, but anyone who tells you that she's going to get

physically aroused and turned on by your being funny is either so good looking, that she's already turned on by looking or they are just not paying

attention to what is really happening.

Attraction, as defined by Sean, doesn't seem to equate to arousal.

> Sean Stephenson: Lesson 4. After making a girl laugh challenge her, compete with her, or get her opinion. After I make them laugh I either: challenge them, making her play a game, or give me an opinion...or all three. A challenge might be getting her to slide a quarter to the edge of the table as far as possible, without making it fall off. A challenge might be to guess my age. A challenge might be to see if she can hit the waste basket with my crumpled up napkin. Anything you would have done with your buddies when you were 12 years old. A game is anything that

involves competition. Like pitting them against another girl and playing name-that-tune with my mp3 player. Similar to a challenge except a challenge usually starts with, "I bet you can't..." A game starts with "Let's see who's better at..." An opinion is simple. "I need your opinion on something - why do you think..." This should be centered on getting her emotional battery sparked. Just bring them to life instead of putting them to sleep. Remember Challenge, Game, and/or Opinion. I mean what guy actually does that??? FEW gentlemen...very few. Because of this you will stand out as fun. Right when you see her fun meter tipping towards the top...cut her off. Like a good crack addict she will beg for it not to be over.

But send her off. Tell her you have to get back to your friend or work or whatever. Walk away and yell, "Hey goofy girl do you own a cell phone? How about electricity and running water? She will laugh, walk up to her with a napkin and pen and hand it to her like it's just the natural course of action for her to hand over the goods! Yes some will be wigged out, and then say, "you know Paris Hilton acted this same catty/flirty way when we started hanging out, what is this? Do they teach you girls to do act this way in 7th grade when they separated the boys from the girls to have "the

talk." Make sure and do the quote gesture when you stress "THE TALK." She will laugh and hand it over.

Ross: Ah....hmm. How often does being so entertaining really equate to generating sufficient interest to get a meeting after that?

Anyone can collect phone numbers. But where is the motivation to continue to connect?

If you are going to play a game, play a game that gets her to reveal some things about her deeper level fantasies, processes for attraction, etc. It's easy enough to do this conversationally; you can try my "Twin Brothers" scenario, or do the "Cube" or handwriting analysis.

I see this strong emphasis on being so entertaining as a good way to maybe squeak out a phone number, but unless she's into your looks, or she's not good looking enough to have very many choices, I wonder how much this translates to an actual meet up.

Don't get me wrong: FUNNY IS good to break the ice. But being entertaining is just one of four "vibes/energies/aspects of self" that I think draw

women.

These are:

1. Being dominant, strong, sensual but also balancing this by being magnanimous and generous. Think of the difference between a tyrant and an

emperor; both walk through the world, expecting to be obeyed. But the Emperor also has a huge surplus/largesse that he shares most generously.

Emperor's reward; Tyrants merely command and punish, working off of fear.

2. Being genuine, sincere even vulnerable(without being needy). This is simply a "tell it like it is" vibe, without seeking any approval. The

sub-communication is, "Hey, I decide how I will feel about the events, people and circumstances in my life. This is what I have to say. Now, what

do YOU think? Whatever you think is ok with me." This can also include showing genuine(but controlled) anger.

3. Showing genuine curiosity about them and also demonstrating understanding of their world. Being curious is a great way to move a

seduction forward.

4. Being funny, playful and entertaining.

A good seduction carries all four of these forward from start to finish; a good opening either starts as a vibe that combines any two or moves rapidly from one to the other.

Imagine each one of these vibes/positions arranged like a diamond, with lines connecting each to the other. Any one of these 6 lines represents a

combination of vibes that can work.

The entire problem with only being entertaining is it is leaving out the other ones. It's like fighting while only using ONE leg and ignoring the other 3 limbs.

Beats the crap out of being serious or overtly horny or needy. But hardly what you want to stick with.

> Sean Stephenson: Lesson 5. Never bet your business on one account. Many guys including myself, meet women who are cool and then they begin envisioning 1 year out 5 years out 10 years out into the future. They picture being married to them. Having children with them.

Ross: Interesting that Sean points this out without considering another implication: this internal kind of thought process, where you project a

future, is WHAT WOMEN DO TO INCREASE THEIR INTEREST IN MEN. These kind of processes go on all the time, so why not do more than avoid them in yourself, but learn to EVOKE a woman's own internal processes for projecting a future with someone? Or her process for fantasizing about a quick lay? Etc. etc.

That's what knowing how to slyly bring up the right topics allows you to do.

Yes, Sean's right that guys do this to themselves. Women do this FAR more often, far more powerfully (with more emotion attached) and across a far broader range of fantasy than men. It's just silly to ignore it and wise to learn to utilize it.

That's a cornerstone of Speed Seduction®

> Sean Stephenson: Lesson 6. Commit to having fun and not finding women. When you go out on the prowl, make sure that you make your goal to

have fun. No matter what, if you have fun you won't get all self conscious and s-word if you don't snag a girl. I snag all kinds of cuties when I make my goal fun. When I make it finding a woman somehow everything falls apart on me. In slow motion no less. I have dedicated my life to having fun. Women LOVE coming back to you if they are having fun. In all my life I have never heard a girl say, "This guy is such a loser, every time we hang out all we do is have a blast together, God when is he going to be boring?" Let that one soak in for a bit..........get it now?

Ross: He's right. Learn to control your agenda and move through different intents as the seduction moves forward.

What are the best tools to learn this kind of internal self-control and monitoring your external behavior? Sean, if you are reading this, how did

you learn to do this?

> Sean Stephenson: Lesson 7. For God's sake trust the process. Most guys over think things, which often times causes insecurities to breed like rabbits. Instead of worrying whether the girl is attracted to you or "likes" you...just sit back and trust the process. Remind yourself that the girl is interchangeable and that the process of attraction that you learn from myself, Cliff, David D, or any other skilled guy is going to work. It's like NASA

really. You make your check list either on paper or mentally before the date of what you're going to do or what stories you're going to tell and then follow the process as planned. If you get off course now and then by envisioning what your children with her might look like, simply excuse yourself. Go to the bathroom, slap yourself and return from the bathroom a new man : ) No seriously remember that attraction is a skill that can always be improved on. You will never reach a point where you think, "Ahhhh I know it all now I can approach and date women."

Ross: A good, strong belief to keep learning! Anyone care to share what other beliefs have helped them keep going?? Sean? Cliff? Anyone else?

> Sean: I would like to say that appealing to and pursuing women are merely a hobby of mine to pass the time with my hormones until I find the

right girl to settle down with. I can mention however that all my sexual contact starts from giving a woman a foot massage. Learn the right pressure points on the feet and then tell the woman, "did you know the foot is a map of the human body?" This has been a great way for me to introduce to the woman, "Hey I am aware of the human body and its pleasure spots. If you allow me to touch you it will feel great." I also have a huge disconnect from having to score. I am literally ok with not hooking up, which creates a nice detached space. Being needy in bed will kill the mood every time. You can't just act cool about not scoring, you really need to be. Bust off a round, "What about Mary?" style before the date if you have to. Women need the communication that you enjoy them not just their body. Resistance in the bedroom is I believe mostly in not doing a

good enough job on building sexual tension through words and not enough indirect sexual touch (i.e. foot massages).

Ross: The back of the neck, the palm, and the thumb are also killer spots. Foot massage is great, but you can't really do it in a public place when first meeting!

If you want to see what you can do with a massage to the back of the neck, go to:

http://www.seduction.com/exclusive.asp

> Sean Stephenson: To which I playfully respond, wow you'll be out of town for Valentine's Day, to which she responds, "It totally sucks cause I won't be with the guy I am seeing." I responded totally c-word (male)y and assured she was speaking of me, "Well where will he be?" She says, "Korea." My life then took on this creepy slow-motion sepia tone filter, "WHAT!!!" Was this a test??? So I started asking about this and why

she hadn't mentioned him before as we had gone out several times and had been intimate. I didn't care that we weren't exclusive but she acted like my interactions meant nothing to her. She thought we were just friends. I was speechless, I had played this one text book up until this point. Unfortunately I lost it. Well, not completely yet. She had to go but said that she would call me back. A few hours later we recommenced our conversation. She started to say that she never thought of me romantically and that she never knew I wanted her. All bulls-word. I could tell she was incongruent. So I started to dig for more info. I said ok well we are going to close this conversation, are you complete? She says almost. She then sighed and apologized for what she was about to say. She said she was actually attracted to me and that we had amazing chemistry but she rambled out, "Sean do you know why I could never date you, because you're handicap. You are everything I am looking for in a man, but you don't match my picture of a (physical) man." She said that her biggest concern was what people would think of her if she dated a "handicap" guy. She said, "This is not open for discussion, I may be evil and shallow for this but I am not willing to change." At this point I was frustrated, angry, and crushed. I wished her well in life, and we went our separate ways for good. I woke up this morning with a few new HUGE distinctions that must be shared.

1. I am who I am - and if that is not cool with a woman, there's the door. My disability is apart of what has shaped my cool life, I wouldn't trade it.

2. I will never trade in my self-respect when the ship is going down.

3. I will be even more guarding of my emotional feelings and let them out way slower.

4. I have to make peace with who I am so that I can not be rattled by those women who are scared, intimidated, or disapproving.

5. I have to test up front to filter out insecurities that girls have with my disability more than before.

6. Some girls may be afraid but there are 3 billion others who may not be : ) This did and didn't come as a shock to me. I had this DYD stuff

licked. I mean I got her attracted to me, but it wasn't enough. I had mastered attraction, yet the girls can still be spooked by my "handicap." Back to the drawing board. Biggest thing for my makeover will be to do a deeper psychological check on a girl I develop long term feelings for. Also revamp a strong sense of self-respect and identity. I should never have to grovel, the best thing I could have done was when I heard she couldn't be with me because of my "handicap" would have been to not let it bother me and to say, "Thanks for your honesty, have a great life, bye." Well

how about them apples, huh? I guess I was writing that last bit of advice about faith for myself : )

Ross: This is a sad story AND there are some potential (potential) ways around it.

It seems this girl's social mind...what her friends would think...jumped up and overwhelmed her.

Part of the problem is, Sean, with all his courage, is STILL in the dating frame/dating game. As long as things are framed as a "date" women are going to bring along their social approval "checklist" and you are going to be stuck at that level of her mind. Learning to select more suggestible women and learning to use language to by-pass that part of her mind that requires social approval from friends would be a ticket to prevent this in the future.

Also, again: "attraction" as defined by the system Sean is using is NOT sufficient to get you laid because it does NOT create or use PHYSICAL

AROUSAL.

I invite Sean to check out the SS material anytime; I'd strongly recommend the DC 2000 seminar video for material to by-pass the first 3 levels of a

woman's mind and go straight to the fantasy prone, suggestible part.

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Gino:

>A guru master: Dude, every girl is different, and if you ever run into a girl that doesn't like to hear "foul language" (I've never slept with one, but they might exist) my guess is that she doesn't enjoy sex as much as she could. Or anything else for that matter.

Gino responds: I suppose if you know what your doing, and can bring your love line across like Clark Gable or even like Punk Gable, then you've set off her fireworks sparklers. My point is that every move you make with that girl, what she will experience, invokes an emotion. So you see what external sensations she feels with you will evoke an internal emotion. Like every time she remembers your encounters with her, it will invoke that emotion she felt when you had an encounter with each other. You train her with words and feelings, sooo if you use good words with good good feelings, every time the word is expressed so are the real good feelings, if you use erotic language with good feelings, every time erotic language is spoken, those feelings are invoked again. Get my drift? It's the same as using a line, it's a happening line. Some good erotic words are c**p, c*m, BJ, Head, s**t, w***h anything works it just depends on how you say them. I tell you, the best sexy relational words are words like Fellatio, Cunnilingus, vulva, pistil, phallic, oh those she will know what you're talking about and it will spark her intellectualization of sex, into a state of deep contemplation. When the affair gets really going, erotic words really get to the heart, of passion, of the orgasm. Since besides by now you've talked so much sex you're a professional.

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LAIR SECTION (Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at http://dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at http://www.bristollair.com, as well as at http://www.seductionlair.com:

A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:

If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/RunningaPUAgroup/ HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:

- Sunday, March 20th is the next regularly scheduled Lair meeting. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings.

The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.

Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):

MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!

Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.

THE TORONTO LAIR

The Greater Toronto Area Lair Goes by the acronym for TOronto PUAS (TOPS) and has been going from success to success lately. There have been great talks by local PUAs who are regulars on Clifford's list, great outings, and membership continues to grow.

TOPs is open to men (and women) at all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist. Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know - and a commitment to test what you learn in the real world.

To join the Lair, send a request to: TO_Lair-owner@yahoogroups.com

If you have questions, you can contact the TOPS President, Smooth (cdnglenn@yahoo.ca) or TOPS Webmaster, Pluvio (pluvio69@yahoo.com)

NEW PARIS GROUP

Based in Paris, France, "THE PARIS PICK UP CLUB" (Paris' new Lair) has just recently been created to help the PUA's and RAFC's have training resources, and especially encourage people to actually get involved and wing together, practice all kinds of PU's with (i.e. club, street, malls, bookstores... whatever), share ideas, techniques and stories and help build each other up to the best we each can be and have a hell of a lot of fun doing so. All skills levels and types of game welcome. To join send an email to: " theparispickupclub@yahoo.com "

NEW DALLAS LAIR FORMED

Dimitry has started the Dallas Wingman Meetup Group, a Dallas-Metro Seduction Lair

Website: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/

HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING

Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest@freemail.hu!" NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY: Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):

The Norwich lair has been setup for RAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

OHIO LAIR FORMED: An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.

VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/

SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:

With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. They have 16 members within the last 2 weeks. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or

NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.

BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:

The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make

new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
New Zealand e-group started by Capital D – visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nzlair/

SCOTLAND LAIR:

There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com/"> http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.

*****DUBLIN LAIR FORMING!!*****

To join our Lair in Dublin, Ireland contact Johnny at dublinlair@online.ie

BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:

To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:

Any Tokyo guys looking to join a Lair in Tokyo should email Vlad at tokyolair@hotmail.com. NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:

We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.

ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:

The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.

All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

A FORUM FOR PUA'S IN INDIA!!

All aspiring PUAs in India are invited to join our spanking new forum where we discuss the specifics and nitty-gritties of PU in India. We already have a few experienced guys in the group from whom we are getting some good advice. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please visit http://www.puas-india.tk/"> http://WWW.PUAS-INDIA.TK to register and post an introduction ASAP.

BRISTOL LAIR

These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:

If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!

The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:

A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:

No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at

gpatel1981@yahoo.com

NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!! Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:

Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & Sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA

Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:

We have already met-up with couple of local guys and Sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"

KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:

Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:

Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:

Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/

NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:

The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:

A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:

We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:

Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:

Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ATLANTA:

I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:

A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will Sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:

The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:

Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.

NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):

A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:

The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:

The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

WASHINGTON, D.C.:

DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com

SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!

I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.

THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)

The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."

NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:

Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com

NYC:

Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM

SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):

1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net

2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.

SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:

We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous Sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.

SALT LAKE CITY:

Contact Ronnie at ronnie@wbinvestors.com

TOLEDO, OHIO - METRO DETROIT:

I am interested in starting a Lair in the Toledo, Ohio - Metro Detroit Area; Those interested should email Jay at TSAFriend@hotmail.com

HOUSTON:

Houston Brothers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HoustonLair/

Or write to S.S. Brothers at houstontexaslair@yahoo.com

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:

The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au

Melbourne Lair: The place, an open shopping center in the heart of the city. I sit down at the food court and wait for familiar faces to arrive. I picked the location of this months meeting of the Melbourne Lair, Its great to have it in an informal place like a food court, sets a nice relaxing mood. Once everybody arrives we push some tables together and start the meeting. We discuss peoples sticking points and offer suggestions, we tell stories of crash and burns and success stories. We just shoot the sh*t, it f*cking great to meet up with like minded people. While telling someone my smurf routine, I see two guys get up from the table and start walking away, I glance back later to see them sitting with a girl, these guys are approach machines.

The meeting goes on way too f*cking long, everybody's got a story to tell, advice to offer, we could talk to each other for days. I feel like this is Ocean's 11 and we are planning the big heist. There is the leader, he started the group. The guru, he's an encyclopedia of info. There is the joker, he can't stop negging and teasing everyone; f*cking Canadians. There's the approach machines, they can't follow the conversation because they are too busy following the nearest piece of ass. There is the SSer, the grease boy and of course Brad Pitt. We all exchange numbers before leaving and make plans for sarging during the week. If there is a Lair in your area, join it, if there isn't, start one of your own. You will not regret it.

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND

Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz

MIAMI:

Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.

CHICAGO:

Contact Paul "La Piovra" at pb@core.com

Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago

LONDON, ENGLAND

The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com

AMSTERDAM:

Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/

The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.

PERTH, AUSTRALIA:

The Perth lair is a small group of people who Sarge regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.

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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html

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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:

I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.

Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List. Also note: RSD will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.

Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):

Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...

Individualized Bootcamps

Here is the latest RSD Schedule (sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/):

CLASSROOM SEMINARS

March 26-27, 2005 Sydney, Australia

April 23-25, 2005 Washington DC , USA

May 28-30, 2005 New York, USA

IN-FIELD WORKSHOPS

March 25-27, 2005 Sydney, Australia

April 22-24, 2005 Washington DC , USA

May 27-29, 2005 New York, USA
MONTREAL DATES: CLASSROOM SEMINAR - Real Social Dynamics July 1-2, 2005

IN-FIELD WORKSHOP - Real Social Dynamics July 7-9, 2005

INDIVIDUALIZED BOOTCAMP - Real Social Dynamics July 1-3, 2005
Go to http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ to signup for these events on their schedule. More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com

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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!

Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.

The website is http://www.set nalife.com. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.

The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.

Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).

This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.

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Mystery Method Workshops:

What method are YOU using?

If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.

If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.

Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).

The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?

If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://www.mysterymethod.com/"> http://www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.

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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at http://www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.

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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (http://www.speedseduction.net/)

Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!

Schedule 2005

Location Dates

New York, NY May 27, 28, 29

London, England September 2, 3, 4

Speed Life Seminars

Schedule 2005

Location Dates

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (Location - Tenative) November 6 thru 12 Sign Up Online!

Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars

Schedule 2005

Location Dates

Los Angeles, CA March 18, 19, 20

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Major Mark (http://www.trucor.com) has finished his schedule for 2004.

Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.

Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to http://www.trucor.com

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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".

A new seminar is planned for June 24, 25, & 26. More details to follow.

You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl

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David Shade's Masterful Lover Seminar is coming to Los Angeles

http://masterful-lover.com/seminar.jsp

The Advanced Sexual and Psychological Techniques to Drive Your Woman Wild

Register now to take advantage of the early discounts.

There will be special guests and there will be a first ever in field workshop for couples who want to know how to pickup bi-sexual women for threesomes.

Bonuses Include:

* Reception and social at the Project Hollywood Mansion

* Personal Coaching time with David Shade good for 1 year ($75 value)

* Sampler: David's new Masterful Lover audio/video products ($25 value)

* Audio: lecture "The Art of Sexy Dirty Talk" ($15 value)

* Discounts on David's products

* Special report: " How To Find Highly Responsive Sexual Women" ($10 value)

* Special report: " Using Erotic Hypnosis To Enhance Your Sex Play" ($10 value)

"I must have learned at least 30 - 40 new techniques, skill sharpeners, and methods that will advance my skills in regards to my relationships and sexual adventures. Thanks to David and Suzanne, and all the guest speakers for an awesome seminar. One of the best I have attended in the community."

- Jonathan, San Diego

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Will, who was the subject of a great DYD interview, has a new website that you should check out:

http://www.youaresoinmyway.com.

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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER

Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really

understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?

If so, check out http://www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/

Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar

If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on Sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!

The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.

For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.

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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:

Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.

To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.

Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.

Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.

The basic structure of the workshop is:

Day 1:

Social intelligence/emotional intelligence

How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style

Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets

Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice

Difference between emotional and party type girls

Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city

Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)

Day 2:

Difference between PUing alone and with a wing

Different tools for getting attraction

Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)

Stealing their frames

Passing sh*t tests

Push-pull

Isolation tactics(2steps)

Day 3:

AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)

Boyfriend destroyers

Passing LMR

Secrets of good s*ex

How to manage a good relationship

More bodylanguage secrets

How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour

How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget

Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)

Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.

For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/"> http://www.badboylifestyle.com

Individualized Workshop (1on1) Instuctors : Badboy, Cortez, Small group workshop Munich, Germany April 7-8-9 -700.00 €
Individualized Workshop Zagreb (Croatia) April 14-15-16 -1150.00 €
Small group workshop Amsterdam April 21-22-23 (2005) -700.00 €

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Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"

Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.

Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! http://www.seductionlair.com/

The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!

http://www.seductionlair.com/

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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sensei & Wilder Pick-Up 101 (info@pickup101.com):

***We Are So Confident In Our Process, We Guarantee It!

We call it our "better than money back" guarantee. If by the end of the second day, you don't feel like you have received more value than you expected, we will refund every dollar you paid, and give you $50.00 for wasting your time. We are that confident that our workshops are a life changing experience!

Due to increased demand and all the new features we have added, we’ve increased our rates for our workshops in 2005 to $1200; an unbelievable value for a workshop of this caliber. You get 3 full days and 2 full nights with two of the best pick-up artists in the world where they’ll share with you all the knowledge they’ve gained in their over 23 years combined experience. That works out to about $30.00 an hour to learn from two of the top experts in the field.

But because you’ve expressed interest in the past, we want to give you one last chance to sign up at last year’s rate of $900; a 25% discount over this year’s rate. A full $300 off the current price!

This is a limited time offer.

So here’s the deal. Sign up for our upcoming Art of Attraction workshops.

A $200 deposit holds your space.

Our workshops have been selling out, and we have been turning people away.

If you have questions or would like to sign up give us a call on 415.793.2442.

PS: Email us if you are interested in participating our free teleseminar series. You get a chance to learn from us and ask us the questions that will help you the most on your path.
Pick-Up 101

Taught at the Project San Francisco Mansion by Sensei and Wilder. Classes are a combination of lecture and tons of personal attention with supervised fieldwork in the evenings. The Fundamentals are hammered home: Opening, Generating Attraction, Isolation and Bridging. We work with each student to highlight their strengths and create a congruent image and identity. We also work with students to make their _own_ structured openers and attraction stories. Finally, we bring in live girls for the guys to practice on and we video tape and critique these sessions. There is no faster way to get up to speed on the fundamentals of pick-up than this workshop. And any PUA who has truly mastered the fundamentals is already in the top 5% of guys out there doing this stuff. Pricing, workshop schedules and student testimonials available at our website, http://www.pickup101.com/">http://www.pickup101.com
Here's the updated and upcoming Pick-Up 101 Workshop info:

Fist, we're instituting a referral program for our workshops. Anyone you refer from outside the community who signs up for our fundamentals workshop, now called The Art of Attraction, we'll pay you $50 cash or $100 credit toward future workshops (stay tuned for massive results from our Study Groups.)

*** And a new one!

Free Orientation Workshop...

This is a 2 hour free workshop where we introduce people to what we do. It a great place to come meet the instructors, see the Project San Francisco Mansion and check out upcoming classes. Everyone has friends that aren't in the community, and it gets to be a pain winging with them because they don't know anything. This is the place to bring them. It's free, and it'll get them excited about the community and you'll get your wing back! This is a great opportunity to get referral fees, just bring them here to the free seminar and we'll do the rest!

Game on

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Archangel:

I've got something I think you & your readers would be interested in.

It's called NLP PLUS and you can see it here: http://nlp-plus.com/">http://nlp-plus.com The entire system is based upon Breath, Body, Mind, Motion. It's a system of Confidence and Persuasion, and is meant to be easy to use with little memorization.

There's a demo lesson here: http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/ConfidenceDemo.asp

The Rapport structure is here:

http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/rapport.htm

The rapport structure is very simple, and extremely effective. All you have to do is the BBMM structure to gain rapport with someone.

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Juggler is back!

See the sharp revised website at http://www.jugglermethod.com/. Juggler Method will be hosting Seminars and Workshops in English-speaking countries worldwide over the course of 2005. Timing is usually as follows:
- Fri-Sat: Weekend Workshop
- Sun: Seminar
- Mon-Tues: Weekday Workshop

1st Half 2005 Schedule (subject to change)

Dates Events Notes

London: March 20 weekend Seminar/Workshops Seminar Dates: March 20-21

Chicago, IL: April 2 weekend Seminar/Workshops Seminar Dates: April 2-3

San Francisco: May 20-24 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: May 22

Please email info@jugglermethod.com to reserve your spot today - both events are filling up quickly. If possible, please indicate the city of interest and either "Workshop" or "Seminar" in the subject line of the email.

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Giuseppe Notte:

http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/ - Giuseppe Notte's ALL ABOUT WOMEN: The Encyclopedia Of Seduction EOS is a new product covering the topic of seduction from A to Z. This 100 pages e-book is ideal both for newbies and more experienced guys willing to improve weaker points of their game. The book is split into 6 bigger parts:

1. Being a woman Learn how women think and understand the "logic" behind their actions.

2. How to be the Man Part two is about the attitude. You can attract women just with your presence, by becoming a "real Man". Avoid the most common mistakes men make and learn valuable tips on body language, dressing and improving the overall quality of your life.

3. The first step: meeting girls Overcome your fear of approaching women and open girls anytime, anywhere without excuses. With the powerful techniques in the book, you won't have to memorize any "canned" routines or NLP patterns.

4. Second step: from the first date to having sex Get from the first date to the girl's bed easily. Don't be stressed anymore on when and how to kiss your girl or where to take her. You will learn step-by-step instructions for each phase.

5. Third step: keeping a relationship The secrets of keeping a long, rewarding relationship, or multiple relationships at the same time. You choose.

6. Sex Overcome your problems, improve your sexual life, become multi-orgasmic and turn into an irresistible lover.

For more information, visit http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/.

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CEIC: Sickboy and Playboy (Mike and Stephen from the DYD interview series) have launched "Cutting-Edge Image Consulting" ( http://www.ceimageconsulting.com/">www.ceimageconsulting.com ). They offer exclusive, one-on-one programs in New York City. Also, they offer a 7-Day Audio Program which covers the following topics:
- A groundbreaking 3 point structure that serves as a roadmap to any successful interaction.

- The two most powerful qualities women are drawn to, and how you can learn to use them with shocking effect

- We go over the subtleties of female psychology and why it is absolutely necessary to do THREE things when meeting a new woman…do you know what they are?

- We disclose the secret of "hooking" - what it means and how to do it with shocking efficiency.

- We uncover a key language skill that can build fascination in any woman, ANYTIME. This skill is critical when building connections, which lead into relationships.

- Devastatingly effective conversational openers and lines.

- How to bait ANY woman into a conversation so that within minutes she is dying to know YOU.

- We list the EXACT places to go where you can meet women with the greatest probability of success. Stop wasting your time in the wrong venues for YOU.

- We teach you how to be the center of attention and the life of the party within SECONDS of meeting complete strangers.

- Learn which conversational topics are fascinating to women. Never be boring again.

- We provide a clear definition of relationships, and why some work and some don't. We give you clear-cut ways to improve all of your relationships TODAY.

- There are three different ways to engage women in conversation when you are socializing. These three are based on the three different environments that exist socially. Do you know what they are? We teach you on Day II of the program.

- We teach you the FASTEST way to begin conversations in ANY environment.

- Learn how to counter the most common rejection phrases from women - NEVER be shot down again.

- We outline the aspects of a successful mindset, and we then lead you through a clear and concise exercise to attain that attitude for yourself.

- MASTER the art of flirting.

- We instantly improve your body language and tonality with simple, clear advice never heard anywhere before.

- We give you a SIMPLE way to ALWAYS be relaxed and comfortable before approaching and engaging women in conversation.

- We have an entire CD which guides you through a step-by-step process for creating a timeline that helps you get back on track in EVERY area of your life. We have a solid system for bringing you in touch with what success means to you, and then developing a timeline - a plan - for success. Our aim is to help your dreams become a reality.
Check out their website today at: http://www.ceimageconsulting.com/">http://www.ceimageconsulting.com

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Check out the 'supermarket of seduction' at http://www.seductionpro.com. Lots of interesting products to look into.

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Impact Interaction (http://www.impactinteraction.com) @ London

Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.

The workshops include:

- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear

- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance

- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…

For more information go to http://www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.

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Setting The Standard For Seduction Workshops

"Free your mind."

Those are the words Morpheus said to Neo in the blockbuster hit The Matrix, a film which delves into deep philosophical questions about how the world around use keeps us from reaching our full potential as human beings.

Today, there are millions of men in the world who have bought into their own personal "matrix." They're hampered by society and their own self-limiting beliefs.

Desperately, they seek help in the form of online self-help message boards, books, CDs, Videos, and even workshops and seminars.

Have you ever asked yourself: why do these people keep buying these self-help products, but never seem to get anywhere with them?

Why do people spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on a workshop designed to help them learn to pick-up women, and then go home without any tangible results, only to fall back into their old habits again?

It is because they are given the knowledge, but not taught HOW TO USE IT!

Too often, you are held back from your true potential because you are not given the supervision you need to achieve your goals. Like riding a bike, when you first start, you need someone beside you to help give you balance, before you can ride on your own.

No seduction coaching service has ever offered this kind of personal attention to helping you succeed.

Until now.

Robert Torrey, aka Nightlife, the former head of the San Diego Lair and former instructor and manager for a prominent Seduction Workshop enterprise, has formed a new company designed to help give the personal attention students need to break out of their own Matrix and "free their minds." His partners in this exciting new endeavor come from a mix of well respected and seasoned companies.

The instructors are:

Cameron Teone, who has gone by the moniker "TheOne," has taught as a guest instructor for Real Social Dynamics and other seduction workshops.

Seth Parker, who has gone by the moniker "Dreamweaver," who had also taught as a guest instructor for Real Social Dynamics and other seduction workshops.

Ranko Magami, who goes by the monkier "Shark" for the Badboylifestyle Crew.

Dave Riker, of Speed Seduction fame, is also onboard merely as an advisor.

The exciting new Company they have formed in called Fidentia, which is Latin for confidence and boldness.

For the first time, this group of experienced and qualified ladies men have combined a MIX of EVERY MAJOR SEDUCTION STYLE around to form a workshop experience that is completely new and original and will raise the bar of what you should expect out of such an experience!

The company was formed after Robert Torrey began testing this unique form of workshop with a lucky, select few in San Diego, while Cameron and Seth participated as guests instructors. After the amazing initial results, Robert Torrey continued to test his new method with a group of eager students in Miami, and was able to surpass the results he was achieved in San Diego!

Seeing the amazing response and subsequent success of this new style of teaching, Ranko (aka: SHARK) was excited to leave his position as an instructor with another well known workshop and join Fidentia and all the potential it has to offer.

Workshops will be held worldwide. Robert Torrey as well as Dave Riker live in San Diego. Seth Parker and Cameron live in Los Angeles. Ranko Magami lives in Croatia, an Eastern European Country. They are already getting ready to train a group of qualified instructors in Europe and Australia so the company will be in every major corner of the globe.

The company was formed for a variety of reaons. Some of the instructors felt that they could no longer teach for certain organizations as they agreed neither with the methods being taught, nor the lack of professionalism they had with the planning and structuring of their student's learning experience.

This new company has empowered Shark, Nightlife, Dreamweaver, The One, to produce a TRULY UNIQUE workshop that caters to the individual student, offers personal coaching, and handles every student's unique problems and difficulties. Fidentia is dedicated to helping their attendees grow, as well as dedicated to oustanding customer service and professionalism not seen before in the workshop community.

If you've tried the rest and have been met with more frustration and still haven't achieved your goals, maybe it's time to try the BEST.

Free your mind, and your hopes and dreams will follow.

To contact Fidentia visit their website at: http://www.fidentia.org/">http://www.Fidentia.org
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Flirting Weekend London -

Learn how to develop immense pulling power in every aspect of your life!

"Flirting isn't just about impressing the opposite sex and picking up a partner, it's about getting on with people", says Peta Heskell, the founder of Britain's only Flirting Academy. "Great flirts do it with everyone -flirt that is!" Flirting is a way of interacting with people that makes it fun and easy to connect with them and makes them want to be with you. Become super sexy, develop your conversation power, boost your confidence, courage and self esteem and find out how to approach strangers and feel good. You may be looking for love, want to make more friends or improve the way you interact with people in general.

Flirt with life. Flirt for love. Flirt for fun. Flirt for success.

For more information about the Flirting Weekend, contact

LifeTalks - tel. 0117 973 1010, email info@lifetalks.co.uk or visit http://www.lifetalks.co.uk/"> http://www.lifetalks.co.uk For more information about the Flirting Weekend in London and other workshops with Peta, contact The Attraction Academy tel. 0700 4 354 784 or

visit http://www.attractionacademy.com/ Peta Heskell - Director of Possibility
Flirting and Attraction Academy
Develop immense Pulling Power in all areas of your life
http://www.attractionacademy.com"> http://www.attractionacademy.com

CONTACTS
Tel: 0700 4 354 784
Talk Talk: 0208 979 2994
Tel Intl: + 447770 741 323
Mobile/Cell: 07770 741 323

COME JOIN US....
http://www.getresponse.com/t/789402/"> Pulling Power Weekend STRONG - April 2/3 * July 16/17
http://www.getresponse.com/t/789406/"> Pulling Power Evening - March 31st NLP London
Dance of the Elements 9/10 April UK

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Have you ever asked yourself...

* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?

* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?

* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?

Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)

Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.

Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.

There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.

http://www.MakeoutMastery.com/

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Step by Step Threesomes
Hey, check out Suzy Bauer's site and her e-book (we need a review, so someone get this and let us know what you think) about creating threesomes. Suzy is an attractive married bi-sexual woman who says that her e-book will show you what to do to create threesomes, how to overcome resistance and how no one can tell you how to do this better than a woman. http://www.stepbystepthreesome.com/

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"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"

http://www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm

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Maximillian Hell:

I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell

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Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):

http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

http://www.macktactics.com/

http://www.seductionformula.com

http://www.thejamesmethod.com/

http://www.seductiondvd.com/

http://www.becomeaplayer.com/

http://www.SeductionGuide.net/

http://www.sensualitysecrets.com/ http://www.puamedia.com/main/

Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: http://www.dynamicsexlife.com/

Someone needs to check this site and its products out also: http://www.mensniche.com (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

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Daniel:

If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at http://www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.

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Carlos Xuma:

Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, s*ex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: http://www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm

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() (@.com ):

has a system and set of Tarot Cards that he his going to be launching soon. Find out more at his website.

P.S. Try magic words 'ben' 'rap' and 'nlp'.

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A few sites to check out:

http://www.becomeaplayer.com

Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => http://www.highstatusmale.com/.

David Wygant (http://www.whatsyourexcuse.com & http://www.mydatingagent.com).

Check out Payton Kane http://www.seduceandconquer.com. VERY interesting. There will be a review of his product here shortly.

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Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: http://www.HypnosisEvents.com

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The Foundations of Seduction

Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: http://www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD http://www.sexualkey.com/

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"FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been doing several boot camp style one-on-one courses. Their next Freedom with Women Seminar is already filling up. Dates are May 19-21 in Madison, WI. It will be followed by an Approach Camp (featuring

new guest instructors) May 26-29. Contact Ron Louis: ronl@howtosucceedwithwomen.com or contact davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com

To find out more about the "Freedom with Women" seminar, go to http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/fww5.html

HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/

1. You can receive a series of audio programs from the "Freedom With Women" seminar. This audio is not available anywhere else!

2. You'll get valuable email summations of these audio programs to "lock in" the learning and help you take action.

3. You'l get other special email lessons from the "Freedom with Women" seminar, all about finally having real freedom with the women you desire.

To get the free course, go to http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/free-audio.html

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Advanced Macking:

In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: http://www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm

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Michael:

If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level, you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminars in Toronto. It is two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.

There are also awesome guest speakers at these seminar:

To learn more about this special seminar, go to:

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And follow the "Seminars" link.

And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.

Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!

Download it now at:

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FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL

The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:

1. Trance Words

2. Rapport

3. Persuasion Anchoring

4. Pacing, &

5. Leading

Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.

Anyone may join the tutorial at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/

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