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Cliff's List Seminar on ABC TV's PRIME TIME LIVE:
Those who were there know that ABC TV was doing quite a bit of filming at the seminar. On a phone call with the key guy at ABC TV this week he said they were targetting the feature to be broadcast on September 1. From what I understand, this will be a wide ranging report, including coverage on Style, Ross Jeffries, Mystery, as well as the Cliff's List Seminar, and probably others as well. Don't miss it!
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PickUp 101 presents a free teleseminar TONIGHT!:
The Truth About Direct & Indirect Game
A Simple Guide To Determine Which Method Is Best For You!
One of the biggest sources of confusion in the pickup community today is the constant debate over Direct vs Indirect game. Often this debate collapses into two opposing camps arguing that their way is the best, which does little to help you understand the differences and make a solid decision on what will work best for you.
Join Lance Mason (Sensei) the founder & program director of PickUp 101 on this free information packed teleseminar as he takes you on a warp-speed learning tour of these two popular methods and how and when it's best to use them.
Lance is one of the few pickup artists in the seduction community that not only uses both methods, he and the Pickup 101 team of instructors also teach both methods in their Day Game workshop.
On this 70 minute distance learning call you'll discover:
- Why using the terms 'direct' and 'indirect' isn't the best way to think about the differences between these methods
- The mechanisms that make each one work. (if you do either without understanding the mechanisms it won't be effective)
- A more accurate way to describe these two popular methods
- When you can and can't use the two methods together
- How to know which one will work best for you.
- How to evaluate a situation to determine which style of approach would be better
Also if time permits there will be a bonus topic on how to build deep intimate rapport with a woman within a few minutes of meeting her.
Call Details:
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Date: Thursday August 4, 2005
Time: 6pm Pacific / 8pm Central / 9pm Eastern
Length: 70 minutes
You must RSVP as space is limited. Use this link to sign up and you'll receive the phone number & passcode by email.
www.pickup101.com/teleseminar/
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Style:
(This article appears in the August, 2005 edition of Esquire Magazine and is reposted here with permission of the author)
What It Feels Like . . . To Pick Up Britney Spears by Neil Strauss, 31, Writer | Aug 01 '05
For two years, journalist Neil Strauss went undercover in a secret society of pickup artists for a book, The Game (ReganBooks). It is a world with its own code of conduct, its own language, and its own celebrities. An AFCpickup-artist jargon for an average frustrated chump, a loser with women Strauss was taken under the wing
s of the most powerful pickup artists in the world, who gave him a new name and transformed him into one of them. After more than a year of "sarging" (picking up women), he was named the best pickup artist in the community. In the following excerpt adapted from his book, he describes what it feels like to take on the most challenging quarry of them all.
AFTER EIGHTEEN MONTHS in the seduction community, not only had my dating life improved exponentially, so had my professional life. The skills I had amassed approaching over a thousand women in bars and clubs made me a much better interviewer. I discovered just how good when I was assigned an article on Britney Spears.
I didn't plan to sarge her. But she left me no choice.
"Was there a lot of pressure on you while making this album?"
Britney Spears: "What, now?"
"Was there pressure from yourself or the label to have a major hit this time around?"
"I have no idea."
"You have no idea?"
"I have no idea."
"I heard you did a track with the DFA that wasn't included on your new CD. Why was that?"
"What's the DFA?"
"They're two producers from New York, James Murphy and Tim Goldsworthy, who call themselves the DFA. Does that ring a bell?"
"Yeah, maybe they did something."
The interview was going nowhere. She was on autopilot. I looked at her, crossing her legs and fidgeting on the hotel-room couch next to me. She didn't give a shit. I was just an amount of time blocked off on her calendar, and she was tolerating it poorly.
Her hair was tucked under a white Kangol hat and her thighs pushed at the seams of her faded blue jeans. She was one of the most desired women in the world. But in person, she looked like a corn-fed southern sorority girl. She had a beautiful face, lightly and perfectly touched with makeup, but there was something masculine about her. As a sexual icon, she was unintimidating and, I imagined, lonely.
A gear slammed down in my head.
There was only one way to save this interview: I had to sarge her. No matter what country I was in or what age or class or race of woman I was talking to, the game always worked. Besides, I had nothing to lose.
I folded my list of questions and put them in my back pocket. I had to treat her like any club girl with attention deficit disorder.
The first move was to hook her attention.
"I'll tell you something about yourself that other people probably don't know," I began. "People sometimes see you as shy or bitchy offstage, even though you aren't."
"Totally," she said.
"Do you want to know why?"
"Yeah." I was creating what's called a yes-ladder, capturing her attention by asking questions that require an obvious affirmative answer.
"I'm watching your eyes when you talk. And every time you think, they go down and to the left. That means you're a kinesthetic person. You're someone who lives in her feelings."
"Oh my God," she said. "That's totally true."
Of course it was. It was one of the value-demonstrating routines I'd developed in the community. The eye goes to one of seven different positions when someone thinks: Each position means the person is accessing a different part of their brain.
There is a simple structure most women must be led through. First, they must be opened; the ice must be broken in a way that doesn't make them uncomfortable. Next, a pickup artist needs to demonstrate higher value, to show why he stands out from all the other men a woman has the option of dating. Once she's convinced, he must build rapport and create a sense of emotional connection. Only then, at least if he's playing solid game, is it time to make a physical connection.
As I taught Britney how to read different types of eye movements, she clung to every word. Her legs uncrossed and she leaned in toward me.
"I didn't know this," she said. "Who told you this?"
I wanted to tell her, "A secret society of international pickup artists."
"It's something I observed from doing lots of interviews," I answered. "In fact, by watching the direction people's eyes move when they speak, you can tell whether they're telling the truth or not."
"So you're going to know if I'm lying?" She was looking at me entirely differently now. I wasn't a journalist anymore. I was someone she could learn from. I had demonstrated authority over her world, as the father of the seduction industry, Ross Jeffries, once told me.
"I can tell from your eye movements, from your eye contact, from the way you speak, and from your body language. There are many different ways to tell."
"I need to do psychology classes," she said, with endearing earnestness. "That would be so interesting to me, studying people." It was working. She was opening up. She kept talking: "And you could meet somebody or be out on a date and be like, 'Are they lying to me right now?' Oh my gosh."
It was time for the heavy artillery.
"I'll show you something really cool and then we'll get back to the interview," I said, throwing in a time constraint for good measure. "It'll be an experiment. I'm going to try to guess something that's in your thoughts."
Then I used a simple psychological gambit to guess the initials of an old friend she had an emotional connection to someone I wouldn't know and hadn't heard of. The initials were GC. And I got one letter out of two correct. It was a new routine I was still learning, but it was good enough for her.
"I can't believe you did that! I probably have so many walls in front, so that's why you didn't get them both," she said. "Let's try it one more time."
"This time, why don't you try it?"
"I'm scared." She put her knuckle in her mouth and pinched the skin between her teeth. She had great teeth. They really were a perfect C shape. "I can't do that."
She was no longer Britney Spears. She was just a one-set, a lone target. Or, as Robert Greene would classify her in his breakdown of seducer's victims in The Art of Seduction , she was the lonely leader.
"We'll make it easier," I said. "I'm going to write down a number. And it's a number between one and ten. What I want you to do is not to think at all. There's no special ability required to read minds. Just quiet your internal chatter and really listen to your feelings."
I wrote a number on a piece of paper and handed it to her.
"Now tell me," I said, "the first number that you feel."
"What if it's wrong?" she asked. "It's probably wrong."
This was what we called in the field an LSE girl she had low self-esteem.
"What do you think it is?"
"Seven," she said.
"Now turn over the paper," I told her.
She slowly turned it over, as if she were afraid to look, then moved it up to eye level and saw a big number seven staring right back at her.
She screamed, leaped off the couch, and ran to the hotel mirror. Her mouth hung agape as she looked her reflection in the eye.
"Oh my God," she said to her reflection. "I did that."
She was like a little girl seeing Britney Spears for the first time. She was her own fan.
"I just knew that it was seven!" she announced as she galloped back to the couch.
Of course she knew. That was the first magic trick I'd learned from Mystery, arguably the best pickup artist in the world: If you have someone choose a number between one and ten randomly, 70 percent of the time especially if you rush their decision that number will be seven.
So, yeah, I had tricked her. But her self-esteem needed a good boost.
"Cool interview!" she exclaimed. "I like this interview! This has been the best interview of my life!"
Then she turned her face toward mine, looked me in the eye, and asked, "Can we stop the tape recorder?"
For the next fifteen minutes, we talked about spirituality and writing and our lives. She was just a lost little girl going through a late emotional puberty. She was searching for something real to hold on to, something deeper than pop fame and the sycophancy of her handlers. I had demonstrated value, and now we were moving on to the rapport phase of seduction. Maybe Mystery was right: All human relationships follow the same formula.
Rapport equals trust plus comfort.
However, I had a job to do. I started the tape recorder and asked the questions I'd given her at the start of the interview, plus all the other questions I had. This time she gave me real answers, answers I could print.
When the hour was up, I stopped the tape recorder.
"You know," Britney said. "Everything happens for a reason."
"I truly believe that," I told her.
"I do, too." She touched my shoulder and a broad smile spread across her face. "I'd like to exchange numbers."
AFTER OUR HOUR was up, Britney left the room to change for an MTV interview. She returned ten minutes later with her publicist.
As she sat down in front of the cameras, her publicist looked at me strangely.
"You know, she's never done that with a writer before," she said.
"Really?" I asked.
"She said it was like the two of you were destined to meet."
The publicist and I stood next to each other in silence as the MTV interview began.
"So you had a crazy time out the other night," the interviewer asked.
"Yeah, I did," Britney answered.
"What was the energy level like in the club when you walked in and surprised everyone?"
"Oh, it was just crazy."
"And how much fun did you have?"
Suddenly, Britney stood up. "This isn't working," she told the crew.
"I'm not feeling this."
She pivoted on her heels and walked toward the door, leaving the crew and her assistants befuddled. As she passed me, the corners of her mouth turned upward, forming a conspiratorial smile. I had gotten to her. There was something deeper to Britney Spears than what the pop machine required of her.
The game, I realized, works better on celebrities than ordinary people. Because stars are so sheltered and their interactions limited, a demonstration of value or any other gambit holds ten times the power.
In the days that followed, I thought often about what had happened. I had no illusions: Britney Spears wasn't attracted to me. She wasn't considering me as a potential mate. But I had interested her. And that was a step in the right direction. Pickup is a linear process: Capture the imagination first and the heart next.
Interest plus attraction plus seduction equals sex.
Of course, maybe this was all just self-hypnosis. For all I knew, she exchanged phone numbers with every journalist to make him feel special and ensure a good story. Her publicist probably had an answering service set up at that number specifically for gullible writers who thought they were pickup artists. Maybe I was the one being sarged, not her.
I would never know the truth.
I stared at that number every day, but I couldn't bring myself to dial it. I told myself that it was crossing a journalistic line: If she didn't like the piece I was writing (which was quite possible), I didn't want her to go on record saying I had written a bad article because she hadn't phoned back.
"Just call her," Mystery constantly prodded me. "What do you have to lose? Tell her, 'Can you not look like Britney Spears? We're going to do some crazy shit and we can't get caught. We're going to wear wigs and climb up to the Hollywood sign and touch it for good luck.'"
"If I had met her socially, fine. But this is a work assignment."
"You're playing the game at another level now. When the article is finished, it isn't an assignment anymore. So call her."
But I couldn't do it. If it had been any of the intimidatingly beautiful women I'd met early in my training and been too scared to ask out, I would have called back in a second. I had no fear of women like that anymore. I felt worthy. I'd proven that over and over since. But Britney Spears?
One's self-esteem can only grow so much in a year and a half.
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Maximillian Hell:
I liked this quote from Anais Nin. I couldn't think of a way to preserve the italics in it--"his" and "over" are italicized almost throughout. You can see a fully
formatted version of the quote at: www.livejournal.com/community/thediaryof, where you might note its popularity.
"I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desires, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don't mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as woman I want to be dominated. I don't mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling -- all that I am capable of doing -- but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding."
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Guru master:
A couple of months ago, Ghita and I were in a relationship with a girl named Valerie. And whenever I’d go out with them, inevitably guys would FREAK OUT in response to seeing me with two cute, 18-19 year old girls (I’m 30).
Typically, I’d get one of three typical responses:
1- Mad, mad props. As in, "Yeah BOYEEEEE! Holy sh*t! Who the f*ck is that guy???" (LOL… I had one guy who SERIOUSLY wanted my autograph, lol.)
2- DEATH F*CUKING HATRED. Jealousy. Envy. The Christian Conservatives who thought I was David Koresh or Charles Manson. Actually, Valerie’s PARENTS fell into this category, and it was the mother who eventually broke us up with guilt and threats and all kinds of unimaginable pressure, especially when I got her squirting and looking HAPPY. A lot of mothers cannot deal with that. Some have even tried to get with me sexually. How rude.
3- COMPETITIVE "AMOGS" who would literally run up to the girls and try to persuade them to leave me. They’d say things like, "F*ck this arsehole ladies, y’all need to come with me". Some guys would actually pick fights with me, and all that.
I finally grew tired of dealing with all this craziness. I simply HATE drama.
Society is NOT ready for the 3some/4some lifestyle, btw. M énaging provokes TONS of drama. If you plan to go down this incredibly complex, yet rewarding road, I suggest that you keep QUIET about it.
Actually, a lot of WOMEN are ready for this. I can remember some nights we’d go out to the bar and make out with every girl in the place, one after another after another, just for fun. The guys HATED me, lol…
They just couldn’t grasp how a simple guy like me could pull this off. Anyway, multiple girlfriends or not, I think that every man can relate to having a girlfriend being stolen, or being cheated on, or being left for another man, or even having RUDE ARSEHOLES TRYING TO STEAL their girlfriend blatantly in front of them.
I hate that sh*t. It’s RUDE. This is how we HURT each other’s HEARTS. All those guys out there who worry if women are "cheaters". The only reason you worry is because YOU are a cheater.
"The world is your mirror". If we all stopped doing this to each other, the world would be a much better place.
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LAIR SECTION (Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at www.bristollair.com, as well as at www.seductionlair.com:
A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: groups.yahoo.com/RunningaPUAgroup/
HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Sunday August 7th at 8 pm is the next Lair meeting. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings.
ANOTHER SPECIAL LAIR MEETING: Badboy will be speaking to the Lair on Wednesday August 31rst at 8 PM.
The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.
Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):
MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.
THE TORONTO LAIR
The Greater Toronto Area Lair Goes by the acronym for TOronto PUAS (TOPS) and has been going from success to success lately. There have been great talks by local PUAs who are regulars on Clifford's list, great outings, and membership continues to grow.
TOPs is open to men (and women) at all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist. Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know - and a commitment to test what you learn in the real world.
To join the Lair, send a request to: TO_Lair-owner@yahoogroups.com
If you have questions, you can contact the TOPS President, Smooth (cdnglenn@yahoo.ca) or TOPS Webmaster, Pluvio (pluvio69@yahoo.com)
MARACAIBO, VENEZUELA LAIR Terrel is forming a new lair in Maracaibo with Nikola, Junior and others. Just wanna hang out and have fun. SS, GWM, DYD and other systems in the mix... doesn't matter. Everyone respects their own way of doing their thing. We're Interested in people who will attend meetings. Post your info on that page. Get an account going here www.forosdeseduccion.com/foros/index.php?referrerid=45 Visit www.forosdeseduccion.com/foros/showthread.php?t=1744">www.forosdeseduccion.com/foros/showthread.php?t=1744 and post
info about you. Email contact: dmoralescan@gmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
SALT LAKE AREA SEDUCTION LAIR
We are an expanding group of guys that are into the material by David DeAngelo and his Dating Gurus, of DYD. And we want to use this group to get/give advice, to share experiences and the results. And to meet up with other guys, so we can go out and work on our game together. A group that is more than just pick up lines, but wants to challenge their inner/outter game, etc... For info, contact LOVEStobeHATED@aol.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
NEW DALLAS LAIR FORMED
Dimitry has started the Dallas Wingman Meetup Group, a Dallas-Metro Seduction Lair
Website: wingman.meetup.com/6/
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest@freemail.hu!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich lair has been setup for RAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. They have 16 members within the last 2 weeks. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com/"> www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
*****DUBLIN LAIR FORMING!!*****
To join our Lair in Dublin, Ireland contact Johnny at dublinlair@online.ie
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
Any Tokyo guys looking to join a Lair in Tokyo should email Vlad at tokyolair@hotmail.com.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
A FORUM FOR PUA'S IN INDIA!!
All aspiring PUAs in India are invited to join our spanking new forum where we discuss the specifics and nitty-gritties of PU in India. We already have a few experienced guys in the group from whom we are getting some good advice. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please visit www.puas-india.tk/"> WWW.PUAS-INDIA.TK to register and post an introduction ASAP.
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ATLANTA:
I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
TOLEDO, OHIO - METRO DETROIT:
I am interested in starting a Lair in the Toledo, Ohio - Metro Detroit Area; Those interested should email Jay at TSAFriend@hotmail.com
HOUSTON:
Houston Brothers groups.yahoo.com/group/HoustonLair/
Or write to S.S. Brothers at houstontexaslair@yahoo.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au
Melbourne Lair: The place, an open shopping center in the heart of the city. I sit down at the food court and wait for familiar faces to arrive. I picked the location of this months meeting of the Melbourne Lair, Its great to have it in an informal place like a food court, sets a nice relaxing mood. Once everybody arrives we push some tables together and start the meeting. We discuss peoples sticking points and offer suggestions, we tell stories of crash and burns and success stories. We just shoot the sh*t, it f*cking great to meet up with like minded people. While telling someone my smurf routine, I see two guys get up from the table and start walking away, I glance back later to see them sitting with a girl, these guys are approach machines.
The meeting goes on way too f*cking long, everybody's got a story to tell, advice to offer, we could talk to each other for days. I feel like this is Ocean's 11 and we are planning the big heist. There is the leader, he started the group. The guru, he's an encyclopedia of info. There is the joker, he can't stop negging and teasing everyone; f*cking Canadians. There's the approach machines, they can't follow the conversation because they are too busy following the nearest piece of ass. There is the SSer, the grease boy and of course Brad Pitt. We all exchange numbers before leaving and make plans for sarging during the week. If there is a Lair in your area, join it, if there isn't, start one of your own. You will not regret it.
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who sarge regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.mysterymethod.com/"> www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
NEW BOOTCAMP SCHEDULE
-- Boston August 11 - 14
www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!
Schedule 2005
Location Dates
London, England September 2, 3, 4
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2005
Location Dates
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (Location - Tenative) November 6 thru 12 Sign Up Online!
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Schedule 2005 - Finished for this year.
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Major Mark (www.trucor.com) Schedulefor 2005:
Introduction to Hypnosis Sept. 5-9 & Train the Trainer Sept. 10-11 in London.
Introduction to Hypnosis Oct. 10-14 & Train the Trainer Oct. 15-16 in New York.
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality
A home study course by David Shade www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out athttp://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> www.alphalover.com . Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
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"The Seduction End-Game"
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Due to popular demand , Learn from the resident Sexpert How to be Outrageously Successful With the Opposite Sex and How to naturally let the game come to you. An intensive 1 on 1 personalized bootcamp taught to you by the East Coast's #1 Personal Dating Coach and Mentor. For more info go to www.youaresoinmyway.com
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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (Inactive Site)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing sh*t tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good s*ex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.badboylifestyle.com/"> www.badboylifestyle.com
Individualized Workshop (1on1) Instuctors : Badboy, Cortez,
Small Group Workshop - Toronto - August 18-19-20 - 1600.00 $
8 seats available
Instructors: Badboy
Additional workshop day - Toronto - August 21 - 610.00 $
5 seats available
Instructors: Badboy
Small Group Workshop - Toronto - August 25-26-27 - 1600.00 $
8 seats available
Instructors: Badboy
Small Group Workshop - Montreal - September 1-2-3 - 1600.00 $
8 seats available
Instructors: Badboy
Small Group Workshop - Vancouver - September 8-9-10 - 1600.00 $
9 seats available
Instructors: Badboy
Small group workshop - Amsterdam - September 8-9-10 ( 999 Eu ) - 1250.00 $
7 seats available
Instructors: Cortez , Badboy
Additional workshop day - Amsterdam - September 11 ( 500 Eu ) - 610.00 $
Small group workshop - London, Uk - September 15-16-17 ( 1150 Eu ) - 1350.00 $
Additional workshop day - London, Uk - September 18 ( 500 Eu ) - 610.00 $
7 seats available
Small group workshop - Munich, Germany - September 22-23-24 ( 999 Eu ) - 1250.00 $
6 seats available
Instructors: Magnum , Badboy
Additional workshop day - Munich, Germany - September 25 ( 500 Eu ) - 610.00 $
3 seats available
Instructors: Magnum , Badboy
Small Group Workshop - Vienna - October 6-7-8 ( 999 Eu ) - 1250.00 $
8 seats available
Additional workshop day - Vienna - October 9 ( 500 Eu ) - 610.00 $
5 seats available
Small group workshop - Sydney, Australia - October 27-28-29 - 1350.00 $
9 seats available
Instructors: Guest Instructors , Badboy
Additional workshop day - Sydney, Australia - October 30 - 610.00 $
6 seats available
Small group workshop - Melbourne, Australia - November 4-5-6 - 1350.00 $
10 seats available
Instructors: Guest Instructors , Badboy
Small group workshop - Dublin - November 17-18-19 ( 850 Eu ) - 1040.00 $
10 seats available
Instructors: Guest Instructors , Badboy
Additional workshop day - Dublin - November 20 - 610.00 $
5 seats available
You can book your workshop on: www.badboylifestyle.com/?badboy=workshops
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Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! www.seductionlair.com/
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Sensei & Wilder Pick-Up 101 (info@pickup101.com):
More than just workshops, PickUp 101 provides focused programs that begin weeks before you arrive with our home study materials, our 3-day skills intensive & field work training, and lasts long after you leave with follow up coaching calls and access to the PickUp 101 private forums.
PickUp 101 provides you 'warp-speed' training in a sequenced progression to take you from complete newbie to getting laid like a rock star with our proven step-by-step programs.
In our current programs you will learn the latest in:
- Attraction Skills
- Night Club Game
- Day Time Game
- Direct AND Indirect Methods of Approach
- Deep Rapport Skills
- Effective Day-2 Seduction Tactics
- Dressing For Your Pickup Artist Identity
- Multiple Relationship Management
- Advanced Pickup Tactics
- And much more...
Our programs are structured to build on each other and NEVER repeat material.
Our instructors stay on the cutting edge of what works, and we won't lock you into any one way of doing pickup. We find what works BEST FOR YOU, and provide you with all the training and coaching you need to succeed.
We also provide monthly free seminars in San Francisco, and free distance learning teleseminars.
Call us toll free for more information.
PickUp 101
1459 Powell Street
San Francisco, CA
1-877-PICKUP-9 (toll free)
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New street seduction CD course from Croatia
mr.ice - Croatian seduction master finally released his seduction audio
CD "Streetmode".
Backed by 5 years of extensive research it contains step-by-step directions on how to seduce girls in normal - everyday environment.
Each part uses structured approach i.e. you are given an introduction that describes specifics of each seduction environment together with steps that are neccesary for you to feel comfortable before you start with the seduction.
You are then guided through the seduction process - from intial approach to conversation and later to kissing and having sex with a girl.
for more information: streetmode.atspace.com
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Archangel:
I've got something I think you & your readers would be interested in.
It's called NLP PLUS and you can see it here: nlp-plus.com/"> nlp-plus.com The entire system is based upon Breath, Body, Mind, Motion. It's a system of Confidence and Persuasion, and is meant to be easy to use with little memorization.
There's a demo lesson here: nlp-plus.com/Demo/ConfidenceDemo.asp
The Rapport structure is here:
The rapport structure is very simple, and extremely effective. All you have to do is the BBMM structure to gain rapport with someone.
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Juggler is back!
Juggler will be hosting Seminars and Workshops in English-speaking countries worldwide over the course of 2005. Timing is usually as follows:
- Fri-Sat: Weekend Workshop
- Sun: Seminar
- Mon-Tues: Weekday Workshop
Juggler has started a new venture called Charisma Sciences (see www.charismasciences.com). Looks very interesting!
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Giuseppe Notte:
www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/ - Giuseppe Notte's ALL ABOUT WOMEN: The Encyclopedia Of Seduction EOS is a new product covering the topic of seduction from A to Z. This 100 pages e-book is ideal both for newbies and more experienced guys willing to improve weaker points of their game. The book is split into 6 bigger parts:
1. Being a woman Learn how women think and understand the "logic" behind their actions.
2. How to be the Man Part two is about the attitude. You can attract women just with your presence, by becoming a "real Man". Avoid the most common mistakes men make and learn valuable tips on body language, dressing and improving the overall quality of your life.
3. The first step: meeting girls Overcome your fear of approaching women and open girls anytime, anywhere without excuses. With the powerful techniques in the book, you won't have to memorize any "canned" routines or NLP patterns.
4. Second step: from the first date to having sex Get from the first date to the girl's bed easily. Don't be stressed anymore on when and how to kiss your girl or where to take her. You will learn step-by-step instructions for each phase.
5. Third step: keeping a relationship The secrets of keeping a long, rewarding relationship, or multiple relationships at the same time. You choose.
6. Sex Overcome your problems, improve your sexual life, become multi-orgasmic and turn into an irresistible lover.
For more information, visit www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/.
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CEIC: Sickboy and Playboy (Mike and Stephen from the DYD interview series) have launched "Cutting-Edge Image Consulting" ( www.ceimageconsulting.com/"> www.ceimageconsulting.com ). They offer exclusive, one-on-one programs in New York City. Also, they offer a 7-Day Audio Program which covers the following topics:
- A groundbreaking 3 point structure that serves as a roadmap to any successful interaction.
- The two most powerful qualities women are drawn to, and how you can learn to use them with shocking effect
- We go over the subtleties of female psychology and why it is absolutely necessary to do THREE things when meeting a new woman…do you know what they are?
- We disclose the secret of "hooking" - what it means and how to do it with shocking efficiency.
- We uncover a key language skill that can build fascination in any woman, ANYTIME. This skill is critical when building connections, which lead into relationships.
- Devastatingly effective conversational openers and lines.
- How to bait ANY woman into a conversation so that within minutes she is dying to know YOU.
- We list the EXACT places to go where you can meet women with the greatest probability of success. Stop wasting your time in the wrong venues for YOU.
- We teach you how to be the center of attention and the life of the party within SECONDS of meeting complete strangers.
- Learn which conversational topics are fascinating to women. Never be boring again.
- We provide a clear definition of relationships, and why some work and some don't. We give you clear-cut ways to improve all of your relationships TODAY.
- There are three different ways to engage women in conversation when you are socializing. These three are based on the three different environments that exist socially. Do you know what they are? We teach you on Day II of the program.
- We teach you the FASTEST way to begin conversations in ANY environment.
- Learn how to counter the most common rejection phrases from women - NEVER be shot down again.
- We outline the aspects of a successful mindset, and we then lead you through a clear and concise exercise to attain that attitude for yourself.
- MASTER the art of flirting.
- We instantly improve your body language and tonality with simple, clear advice never heard anywhere before.
- We give you a SIMPLE way to ALWAYS be relaxed and comfortable before approaching and engaging women in conversation.
- We have an entire CD which guides you through a step-by-step process for creating a timeline that helps you get back on track in EVERY area of your life. We have a solid system for bringing you in touch with what success means to you, and then developing a timeline - a plan - for success. Our aim is to help your dreams become a reality.
Check out their website today at: www.ceimageconsulting.com/"> www.ceimageconsulting.com
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www.songsofseduction.com/"> www.songsofseduction.com
A full rock music album created for the purpose of seduction is finally available! These 10 songs have been arranged to create rapport, capture and lead her imagination, start the attraction process, and ultimately GET HER IN THE SACK! State of the art NLP combined with hypnotic but rockin' music leads her through the seduction process for you. Best of all, it looks like a regular pop-rock album and sounds like the best alt rock on the air! The lyrics have been painstakingly written by NLP programmers, and the music was recorded by world-class recording artists, using the latest in persuasion techniques together with rhythmic emotional influence technology.
Get yours today, and get laid tonight!
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www.datinghelpformen.com/"> www.datinghelpformen.com is a website designed by a guy who at one time had limited success with women. He posts what he learned there, from his mistakes and errors to his successes. They will be dealt with step by step so that you can repeat his achievement without replicating the miscalculations. This site is for beginners but if any of you pros would like to join the site and help out that would be great (and of course in return those of you with products will get great link placement)
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Check out the 'supermarket of seduction' at www.seductionpro.com. Lots of interesting products to look into.
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Impact Interaction (www.impactinteraction.com) @ London
Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.
The workshops include:
- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear
- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance
- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…
For more information go to www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.
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Setting The Standard For Seduction Workshops
"Free your mind."
Those are the words Morpheus said to Neo in the blockbuster hit The Matrix, a film which delves into deep philosophical questions about how the world around use keeps us from reaching our full potential as human beings.
Today, there are millions of men in the world who have bought into their own personal "matrix." They're hampered by society and their own self-limiting beliefs.
Desperately, they seek help in the form of online self-help message boards, books, CDs, Videos, and even workshops and seminars.
Have you ever asked yourself: why do these people keep buying these self-help products, but never seem to get anywhere with them?
Why do people spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on a workshop designed to help them learn to pick-up women, and then go home without any tangible results, only to fall back into their old habits again?
It is because they are given the knowledge, but not taught HOW TO USE IT!
Too often, you are held back from your true potential because you are not given the supervision you need to achieve your goals. Like riding a bike, when you first start, you need someone beside you to help give you balance, before you can ride on your own.
No seduction coaching service has ever offered this kind of personal attention to helping you succeed.
Until now.
Robert Torrey, aka Nightlife, the former head of the San Diego Lair and former instructor and manager for a prominent Seduction Workshop enterprise, has formed a new company designed to help give the personal attention students need to break out of their own Matrix and "free their minds." His partners in this exciting new endeavor come from a mix of well respected and seasoned companies.
The instructors are:
Cameron Teone, who has gone by the moniker "TheOne," has taught as a guest instructor for Real Social Dynamics and other seduction workshops.
Seth Parker, who has gone by the moniker "Dreamweaver," who had also taught as a guest instructor for Real Social Dynamics and other seduction workshops.
Ranko Magami, who goes by the monkier "Shark" for the Badboylifestyle Crew.
Dave Riker, of Speed Seduction fame, is also onboard merely as an advisor.
The exciting new Company they have formed in called Fidentia, which is Latin for confidence and boldness.
For the first time, this group of experienced and qualified ladies men have combined a MIX of EVERY MAJOR SEDUCTION STYLE around to form a workshop experience that is completely new and original and will raise the bar of what you should expect out of such an experience!
The company was formed after Robert Torrey began testing this unique form of workshop with a lucky, select few in San Diego, while Cameron and Seth participated as guests instructors. After the amazing initial results, Robert Torrey continued to test his new method with a group of eager students in Miami, and was able to surpass the results he was achieved in San Diego!
Seeing the amazing response and subsequent success of this new style of teaching, Ranko (aka: SHARK) was excited to leave his position as an instructor with another well known workshop and join Fidentia and all the potential it has to offer.
Workshops will be held worldwide. Robert Torrey as well as Dave Riker live in San Diego. Seth Parker and Cameron live in Los Angeles. Ranko Magami lives in Croatia, an Eastern European Country. They are already getting ready to train a group of qualified instructors in Europe and Australia so the company will be in every major corner of the globe.
The company was formed for a variety of reaons. Some of the instructors felt that they could no longer teach for certain organizations as they agreed neither with the methods being taught, nor the lack of professionalism they had with the planning and structuring of their student's learning experience.
This new company has empowered Shark, Nightlife, Dreamweaver, The One, to produce a TRULY UNIQUE workshop that caters to the individual student, offers personal coaching, and handles every student's unique problems and difficulties. Fidentia is dedicated to helping their attendees grow, as well as dedicated to oustanding customer service and professionalism not seen before in the workshop community.
If you've tried the rest and have been met with more frustration and still haven't achieved your goals, maybe it's time to try the BEST.
Free your mind, and your hopes and dreams will follow.
To contact Fidentia visit their website at: www.fidentia.org/"> www.Fidentia.org
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Flirting Weekend London -
Learn how to develop immense pulling power in every aspect of your life!
"Flirting isn't just about impressing the opposite sex and picking up a partner, it's about getting on with people", says Peta Heskell, the founder of Britain's only Flirting Academy. "Great flirts do it with everyone -flirt that is!" Flirting is a way of interacting with people that makes it fun and easy to connect with them and makes them want to be with you. Become super sexy, develop your conversation power, boost your confidence, courage and self esteem and find out how to approach strangers and feel good. You may be looking for love, want to make more friends or improve t