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Docandwriter:
I spent a lot of time with Badboy and thought that you may be interested in a review of him and his material. In a word, it was great. His students showed awesome progress, even more so in my opinion than after a Mystery workshop, and his method actually creates shortcuts to how the majority of PUA
's play the game.
To describe Badboy, he's a 5'10"ish thin Croation guy with a short haircut, a limp, and an alpha attitude. Alpha, yet very laid back at the same time. His philosophy is simple, to fix yourself so that your confidence will allow you to take women and give them what you both want. His method? It's different, a cross between direct and natural game, with more emphasis on natural game. I found it interesting that nothing in his workshop was new to me, it was stuff that I had figured out myself over the last three months, however, a lot of the material is stuff that is not widely known or talked about in the seduction community. The results that his students show over the course of three-four days was phenomenal. They all changed for the better.
In detail:
I met with Badboy Tuesday morning for a bit, then Oceanwindrider and I met him again at night to chat. We talked a lot about the Euro style of gaming and our own game.
Wednesday: I interviewed him during the day, to find out more about his method and at night he gave the Vancouver Social Board a talk about his method. I had heard that his talks to the other lairs in Toronto and Montreal were vague or boring, so I kept asking him to give up the goods at the Vancouver talk, to which he promised to. The talk was very good. The general consensus after the talk was that it very interesting. A lot of the VSB guys 'got' what he was saying, perhaps because most of us are actively studying seduction. During the lair talk, he hinted to what could be possible, but didn't give any real specific examples other than a few body language demos with Majnun and Stefan.
His 3 day bootcamp started over the next three days.
Thursday: during the day, the entire half day was basically the same as the lair talk. I soon discovered that he really did talk about his workshop method in the VSB talk, but it went by too fast for everyone. It was hearing everything a second time that allowed me to process what he was really saying. The second half of the day was on body language. At night we went downtown, to Caprice. A PUA from San Franscisco, Don Corleone came up to help him teach as well and the three of us threw students into set and gave feedback. It was good night. At one point we had an 18 year old student gaming this girl outside and trying to move in for the kiss, and I had to go in and engage four cockblocks (2 guys and 2 girls) to help him out and buy him time. I bought him 15 minutes (and # closed the cute little Chilean cockblock) but he didn't get the kiss. Damn.
Friday: Was on storytelling and natural conversation for getting rapport. More body language and role playing. Then we went to Royal, Caprice Restaurant and Crush. Royal was loud and it was a waste of time as you couldn't hear yourself talk, let alone anyone else. Crush was much better. All the students really did well here. Again we were all pushing guys into set. At one point I gamed this cute little girl who looked like Jessica Alba, with a number of students standing around. Ten minutes later we were making out (which shattered the 18 year old's reality, he said the next day, reason following...). Then she followed me around the club before disappearing. I found out later that her boyfriend was there, haaa. She never said anything to me, if I had known, I would have taken her out of the club, haaaa. Outside the club I run into the hostess at Moxies, where the workshop was being held (I had been gaming her since the first day). She gives me a kiss and tells me to come into the club.
Saturday: was on kiss closes and other stuff. I see the hostess, she comes over to give me a nice hug and we talk for a bit, then I hand her my phone and she enters her number, I didn't have to say anything. She was hot, like a 9.5. At night we went to Atlantis, because I had free passes. It sucked. So we went back to Caprice and it was good. At one point I threw an older student into set and coached him to sit down, body language, kino, etc... He had never kissed a girl in a club, so I wanted him to have that. He ran the cube on his HB and then I told him how to kiss her cheek, then back off. He did it once. It was good. But he took too long before trying again, so he went into palm reading (arrghh, he went backwards). Then after that I told him to repeat the cheek kiss, then move in for the lip kiss. Badboy came by with Don Corleone and he tried to tell the student how to kiss her with his direct approach, then went to coach other students. The student wasn't making the move, he was looking down when listening to his HB too much, he was close to the kiss several times. So I told Oceanwindrider to come over and I demo'ed the physical part and indicated more eye contact to the student with Oceanwindrider as an example. The student was still unsure of how the pacing went, so Oceanwindrider went away and I grabbed the closest girl to me and told her to stand there, "I am teaching my friend how to kiss the girl", and I again demo the behavior to him. It was funny, I was pointing to my and her eyes, over emphasizing the head grab and moving in, totally ignoring the girl and paying attention to the student. I moved in and kissed her. She jumped toward me and kissed me, so I told her to hold still so I could continue coaching him. She started waving to him, so I kissed her again. Then it looked like the student was losing the set, so I stood there, disappointed. My kissing partner stood there too, for five minutes, waiting for me to do something. Then she eventually left, haaa. Overall though, the student did very well, very smooth, he just wasn't experienced enough, but now he knows what is possible.
End of 3 day workshop. What was really good about this workshop was that the students were given the specific tools on how to get women, including the direct alpha body language, and how to move into kiss and lays faster. No routines, time constraints, etc... A lot of role playing as practice. Everyone got changed over the 3 days, the first day, some guys were afraid to approach, by the 4th day, they were approaching like crazy and were asking to be filmed. Of note are a guy from Seattle and the 18 year old student. They both did really well and benefited the most. Badboy thinks that they can become better than any PUA out there in a few years if they follow his advice. They got kisses and IOI's and had no problem gaming and trying crazy stuff.
What I found peculiar was that Badboy and Don Corleone both didn't do many sets. I asked him specifically about this and he said that it's a rule he has with all his coaches. He's there to coach the students, not demonstrate, they are paying for their time. So they aren't allowed to sarge or they get into trouble (push ups, or whatever). I guess it's true, I do like to mix it up with the HBs when I'm in there, but when I was coaching a student, I didn't sarge as I was trying to pay attention to what was going on, even when hot chicks came by and gave AI's. I guess it's priorities.
The day game workshop was on Sunday, Granville and Robson, from 1 to 5pm. It was a lot of fun, throwing the guys into sets. Badboy made the 18 year old do sets without using English, or to do alpha body language or whatever. They hit a lot of sets and did well in a lot of them. After lunch, we decided to hold a competition, whoever got a kiss close in the next hour would get a three day workshop for free. No one got it. In retrospect, it's because everyone was rushing it to win the workshop.
Sunday night, Seattle student, Oceanwindrider and I met with Badboy again and talked. This talk was really good, we talked alot about The Game and the game, and it was here that I figured out Badboy's advanced method. I shouldn't share it, but basically he demo'd it. I've actually used it before, in my speed seduction days...
Ok, THE VERDICT. I did feel that the workshop material could have been more refined, and it probably could have been taught in two tight days. I would have liked to have seen him sarge, but then this was a long three weeks for him, so he was tired. BUT OVERALL.... I highly recommend it. In fact I think it's equally as good as Mystery's workshop (which is great and I also highly recommend), and for some people it will work even better. The Badboy method is completely different from any other method and there is a lot of emphasis on three things 1) working on yourself/inner game 2) being natural and normal 3) body language, oh yeah. It compresses the sarge so that if you get IOI's you are in, if you get blown out, you know. Most HBs gave IOI's though. But this type of material will not work with everyone, just like MM won't work with everyone. Badboy believes he can fix anyone, but some people may need more time to be worked on.
In actuality, both methods compliment each other, I would recommend learning both, although after Badboy, there are some Mystery things that you won't do anymore. I don't think that one is better than the other, although I prefer the Badboy method (I'm a Sagittarius, I don't like waiting long to get intimate).
I am going to try to bring him or his partner back to Vancouver next year. If you are interested, let me know.
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Gil (aka Practical PUA):
Review of ‘Solid Game Personals’ of Style/Neil Strauss
Useful vs useless advice
I’ve been trying my hand at this online dating thing, and frankly it’s been a frustrating journey. So I was really psyched when Style (aka Neil Strauss) put up a post called ‘Solid Game Personals’ on Cliff’s List a few months ago. It seemed a little complicated and involved, but I was committed to making this work, and it sounded like he knew what he was talking about.
Besides, the guy came highly recommended. It’s been just over three months since I followed that system outlined in the Solid Game Personals post almost to the letter, and I can tell you that although it must have worked reasonably well for Strauss, it’s bad advice for the average guy trying to make it work for him. I think that he also got featured in David DeAngelo’s online dating product, and I just want to tell you guys to beware - don’t waste your time and money making it work for you. And I’m going to tell you exactly why.
There’s a difference between generally applicable advice and advice specific to a certain person. For example, if you ask Shaquille O’Neal what the best way is to score a basket, he'll tell you to drive through the key and dunk. 100% effective. This neglects that most of us are not 7 feet tall and 320 lbs. What works for Shaquille works really well for him, but his advice for us is completely useless. Similarly, the advice Neil gives in his post is not generally applicable. The first thing he says is to put up a sketch of yourself, not a picture. So I went to a sidewalk artist here in Portland and had him do a sketch of me for 20 bucks. Looked OK, not great, but hey, I was going to do the whole system before questioning it. What Mr Strauss neglected to tell us was that he didn't just put up any old sketch. With a little bit of research, I found his profile, and his sketch looks like it’s done by a professional comic book artist. He’s sitting with his fingers steepled, looking authoritative, sharp and resplendent in a leather armchair in a study. He basically looks like Lex Luthor or some other comic book character. It also looks nothing like him. This conveys a very different message from a sidewalk pencil sketch, and is not something that is accessible to Joe Average without spending a lot of time and money. Superhero vs Badly Drawn Boy. Strike one so far against general applicability.
The second thing I noticed about his profile is that his screen name not-so-subtly refers to the fact that he’s rich. We all know that that alone is enough to hook a woman, so its omission is a missing piece of the puzzle for Joe Average. Strike two.
Now let’s get to the actual profile. So Strauss advocates writing a really cocky, borderline abrasive profile. So that’s what I did. In fact, it was as close to his own wording as you could get without actually copying it. Turns out that the women whom I contacted who read it found it cocky and abrasive.
Almost all but the extremely good sports did not respond. I also noticed that Neil’s profile had been inactive for four weeks. Now I've heard he’s got a girlfriend and all, but if all these women are finding his profile so compelling and writing him about it, why no activity at all for 4 weeks? Strike three.
The next piece of advice was about the first email: have the girls give him three reasons why they’re cool enough for him to get to know them. I'd say half of the girls who responded to me went with this, but it was just too confrontational for most of them. The ones that were a little older and professional (27-34 years old) were turned off and just plain said "I don't need to prove myself to nobody", which is the response you'd expect from a woman with healthy self-esteem. We'll call it a toss-up on that bit of advice.
The next step had to do with the picture you send her. He said use a picture of yourself from a magazine. Excuse me? Why don't I go just buy myself a Bentley on the way to the newsstand and have Annie Leibovitz take a picture of me in that instead? Then he says if you don't have that, just use Adobe Photoshop and a scanner to put yourself in there. Well, that’s nice, but Photoshop is an $800 software program, I don't have a scanner (and they’re pretty outdated anyway, with the advent of digital cameras), and I don't have the time to figure out a complicated bit of software just so I can have a cool doctored photo to impress chicks with. It also made me wonder: which magazine were you in, Mr Strauss? And who else was in the photo with you? Could it have been any one of the people you have interviewed in your career as a rock journalist? Members of Motley Crue, or maybe some adult movie star, like the one you helped write the autobiography of? Again, a crucial bit of missing information. I bet if you and I had a couple of photos of us from Rolling Stone magazine hanging with George Clooney and Colin Powell, online women would respond, too. Strike four so far for Joe Average.
Now, up to this point, I could kinda follow the guy, but then it just got ridiculous. The next step was about how to set up the first meeting with the woman. He said we should have friends plural, mind you be hanging with us when she arrives, and then have them ‘bump into’ us later in the evening. Now I don't know about you, but I've got this thing called a job (and so do most of my friends). Setting up a date involving me and a stranger is complicated enough. Now I have to bring along two or more of my friends, too? And have them hang around all evening long to make me look good later? You've got to be kidding me, my friend. I respect Mr Strauss’s self-employed lifestyle and his posse of friends at the ready, but that’s just not applicable to the population at large.
Strike five against applicability and practicality.
Finally, Mr Strauss tells us to gradually win her over with our personality. Fair enough. However, I wonder how much he relies solely on charm and personality, which is ostensibly content-free, and how much he relies on the fact that he is a worldwide best selling author and recognized rock critic with a crew of celebrity friends. When does that come up in the conversation in the first minute, or the first millisecond? I'm guessing that has something to do with Neil’s success, because as he says himself, women are strangely disappointed when they first meet him.
Strike six.
I wrote this only after giving that system a fair shake, and taking a lot of time to implement each step. But in the end, it’s about as useful as saying "take her in your Aston Martin to hang out in your villa in Portofino." But it seems like people are sometimes just reluctant to admit that the emperor has no clothes, and some of these uber-PUAs just dispense crappy advice specific to themselves. A lot of them are discounting the fact that they are tall, rich, incredibly good-looking, or seriously connected, and attribute their success to their wit alone. Nonsense -- any one of these things is enough to create massive unconscious attraction in a given woman. Don't be fooled, guys, and don't waste your time. The good news is that there is really good advice out there for Joe Average, and the stuff works. The original Double Your Dating book (and almost all their products) is gold, as is the stuff that Ross Jeffries puts out (hey, if that guy can make it work for him, it can work for anyone, ‘cause pretty he ain't). And I've found that the net2bed.com system and insiderinternetdating.com are really good for online stuff, and I'm testing them right now. Reports on those in a few months.
Style responds: Dear 'Practical PUA,' I don't believe that you tried this at all. You claim that you had a street sketch drawn of you and posted it online. Then a couple paragraphs later you claim not to have a scanner to post a fake magazine pic. So, um, how did you get that sketch online then? To point out the rest of the logical fallacies and ridiculous allegations in this post be a waste of everyone's time. But, hey, thanks for the comparison to Shaquille O'Neal. And...nice try.
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Chariot (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com):
... time to get some thoughts out - important ponderings from the Chariot's field.
So you have some kick ass stories, routines, spin moves, negs, kino tricks, flymoves - some tools in the toolbox. And are you getting results?...
What differentiates a guy that's naturally attractive to women and a guy that is a routine spinner is the magic glue that holds a set together... the glue that makes it all flow and blend together congruently - smoothness.
The glue (the bits in between) are different for every PUA. Look at all the boys in RSD... we all have different characters, styles, hobbies, etc. - but yet we can say the same story and it will sound completely different.
I view my pickup mind as one of those magic eight balls. A magic eight ball is this toy of an oversized pool eight ball... you shake it and your fortune floats to the surface... So I have all this info and tools floating beneath the surface (my sub conscious mind) - ready to be released.
So when I go into set I literally have one thing on my mind - "Hey"... that's it... like shaking my magic calibrative eight ball a convo piece which then floats to the surface and seduction fun begins. This is how reference points work. The more field experience and reference points you have, the more efficient your eight ball is.
To explain this a bit more...
I am always hyper aware of the energy levels, comfort and all the little sub communications of the girls in my sets. I aware of even the slightest of shifts in these... and calibrate accordingly.
This is what SMOOTH is.
We all know the concept - change a girls MOOD, not her MIND. (David D?)
So glide up to her - smoooth, strong frame - like nothing she says or does makes a difference... you never miss a beat - she tries to resist logically yet something keeps her there intrigued... eventually she feels different, she feels happier, you have done this to her... you have high value...
This is the addiction that is Pick Up. True seduction at play.
Ok let's apply this to YOU.
I teach this to my students. Guy 1 vs. Guy 2 mentality.
GUY 1
So you're out.
There she is. At the bar. The one you want.
We all have the image of the perfect girl - and this is her.
Your mind races.
She is hot. God, she is hot.
You sit there, it builds up inside you. In literally one second you get that feeling in your stomach. That ache that says you can't do it.
But wait there is more.
She is with a group of friends, some guys, some girls. You feel it even more.
Your mind rationalizes "She is probably so uptight" "I bet she has a good looking boyfriend"
"I have never had a girl like that" "People will look at me" "What if she turns me down?"
"I'm not good looking enough for her"...
It's over before it's started.
She gets her drink and walks right by you. Frozen. Done. All bets are closed.
How many times has this happened to YOU????????????????
GUY2
So you're out.
There she is. At the bar. The one you want.
We all have the image of the perfect girl - and this is her.
Your mind quiets down.
You smile to yourself as you have a thousand times before. Finally a girl worthy of your approach.
You're ON IT. Your mind is completely silent as you glide up, SMOOTH as silk to meet her.
You literally feel this glow of power inside as you move with finesse, the power and control you have is amazing. You're the jedi of a nightclub.
She FEELS your presence and turns. That quiet cheeky smile is now on your face as you look her right in the eye. Without saying a word she is looking you up and down. Everything now is slow motion. You have seen it all before. The magic eight ball shakes & the game begins.
She snaps fully around as you deliver the opening line. She can't hear the music. She can't see anything but you. She's being immersed in emotion. Sucked into your reality. She does not have a choice. She is totally in the moment. She forgets her friends who are yelling at her. She cannot hear or see them.
Magic eight ball…before you even consciously think, the best thing to say floats to the surface of your mind…It rolls off your lips as smooth as sunset. You feel the power inside you grow more as your words hit.
She bursts. Behind her glazing eyes you see a struggle. Her logical mind is getting drowned as she submits to the emotions you have induced.
Was it what you actually said? Or how you said it? All you know is now she is all over you it hits her hard. You can see the logic drifting away as she falls into her favorite mental place. She is being seduced.
It's your choice - Guy1 or Guy2.
Ask yourself always... Am I Guy 1 or Guy 2?... What would Smooth2 do?
To get there:
1. cultivate that smooooooth character. You know what smooth is! Start consciously doing it, dammit !
2. start looking at how your sets FLOW... do they seem effortless to a third party observer? or are they jerky and linear? use your own magic eight ball.
3. Guy 2 - smoothness is something you ARE, not something you DO.
4. look at the smoothest real life characters you know - how do they converse? How are they chatting to people? Make yourself personable and unique... e.g. I excessively say the word deluxe; I like the word so for this month everything has been "Oh, I just went to nightclub x last night - it was deluxe."
Enough lessons for today... I hope this makes some sort of sense
Have fun with all the in field challenges. I am.
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Carlos Xuma (http://www.alphaseduction.com):
CHOICES are what life is about...
I feel like I lead a very fulfilling life.
I'm not saying this to brag at all, because you guys, all of you understand what this search for fulfillment is really all about. It's through helping you guys that I've come to appreciate life a whole lot more.
Oh, don't get all choked up. I'm not trying to start a group hug here.
My mission in life is to bring more men and women together through the empowerment of MEN.
Not through the degradation or lowering of women, but through the improvement and building UP of men.
We've been in a bit of a social gender crisis here for some time. Many of you are aware of it, too.
With the onset of feminism, most men were whipped and blasted back to -- well, I'd like to say to the "stone age" but that would actually be an improvement. Guys have just been knocked back on our butts.
So is the whole dating game about "picking up" as many women as you can?
Or is it about getting just ONE woman?
Maybe.
... or ...
... could it be about BOTH?
There is a big secret I'm about to reveal to you, and it's one of the biggest secrets of success in life. More specifically, it's the secret of how to make sure you win at everything you put your mind and your time to.
You have to make sure you've got the most important power in a man's life. This is one thing you cannot ignore if you're going to be successful with anything you go after. (Including women.)
Here's the secret you must remember:
A man's success depends on having OPTIONS.
There is a theorem that states that in any situation, if all things are equal, then the person with the most response options or choices will probably come out on top in any given situation.
If you have fewer options available to you, you have to work MUCH harder to win in the same situations.
Let's apply this to something simple, like checkers. We've all played checkers at one time or another. There are a few variations in the rules, but overall it's a very simple game to learn.
Have you ever noticed that - unless someone did something MEGA-dumb - the person who took the first couple checkers tended to be the one who won?
Or the person that had the most moves available to them? The one who managed to block the other person's moves by trapping their pieces from moving.
Not EVERY time, mind you - but most of the time. Things tip quickly to one person's favor. The one with the options.
The same thing was true in chess, too. You could lose a couple of pawns, but if you lost a significant piece like a bishop or rook, the game was an uphill battle.
By taking your pieces, they reduced the number of options you had available to you. And by keeping as many pieces as you could on the board, you had more OPTIONS.
In fact, I have another part of this equation that you should remember:
Options = POWER
The same thing is true in almost everything you do. And nowhere is it more effective than in the world of dating and social interaction.
This is most clearly understood when you get in one of those conversations with a woman and you run into that dreaded uncomfortable pause. You know, where she says something - maybe it's a test, and you know you now have to respond - but ...... silence ...
... crickets chirp ...
... and you feel that sick and uncomfortable feeling grow inside as you know the longer you wait, the worse it gets...
... and the longer you wait, the more pressure you feel, and the less you feel like you can respond, because now you're both aware that no one is talking, and it's getting worse and worse and worse, and now you feel more pressure and ... AAAAAHHH!
You're screaming on the inside, and you're barely smiling on the outside, as she tells you she needs to get going and meet someone somewhere. It was nice meeting you... blahblahblah....
Have you been there before? I know I have.
And it #$%*ing SUCKS.
When that silence starts, it's like you opened up a Pandora's Box of anxiety and frustration and fear, and now you can't get them back in again. You feel a strange pressure around the middle of your chest, too. Isn't it weird how these emotions of dread, fear, anxiety all seem to have a PHYSICAL counterpart, too?
If only you had more things to talk about with this woman that you could use...
This is where options and choices help you out again. When you have prepared for the event beforehand, no situation will catch you by Surprise, or off guard.
Great military leaders knew this, and that's why they prepared and prepared and prepared for any situation and contingency. Then when a challenge came up, they had OPTIONS.
Alternate plans. You've got options, too. Ones you're not even aware of.
I wanted to make sure you knew that there are ways to plan and get response options with women. In fact, you can learn how to talk to women so that you never have one of those embarrassing silences again. AND you can even learn how to make sure YOU are the one with the options when it comes to women.
Not just which women you get, but what you do with the ones you do.
And not just with women, but with your career and success in life, too.
Whether you're searching for one woman or for many, that choice is YOURS. It's not mine to make. I only ask that you take care not to hurt or mislead anyone in the process. That's bad mojo.
But, there's also nothing wrong with dating a lot of women to find the one you really want. Don't lock yourself down too soon, because you'll lose perspective, confidence, and a sense of social value. Or because of social stigma. I think that most guys want ONE woman - eventually, but we want the confidence and power to know that we COULD have more, if we wanted to. That gives us a feeling of POWER.
Again, it comes back to having CHOICES and OPTIONS.
Guys feel security around their power to interest the women they desire.
I'm not going to tell you that this SHOULDN'T be this way, or that you've been brainwashed in some way to pin your self esteem on women like some "gurus" out there do. I wish guys didn't have to feel like so much of their self-esteem was linked to their success with women, but... they do. I'm over it. In a way, this link between esteem and success with women is what helps our species create the next generation. This need for connection with the opposite s*x is necessary for our survival.
And in that light, I think that the search for more options - whether that's choices of women, choices of openers, choices of mutual funds, choices of career paths, choices of directions - WHATEVER... This search we're on is to give ourselves choices that empower us to be men.
The more choices you have, the more you'll win. Period.
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The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.
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TOPs is open to men (and women) at all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist. Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know - and a commitment to test what you learn in the real world.
To join the Lair, send a request to: TO_Lair-owner@yahoogroups.com
If you have questions, you can contact the TOPS President, Smooth (cdnglenn@yahoo.ca) or TOPS Webmaster, Pluvio (pluvio69@yahoo.com)
DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
A new lair is starting up in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus will be regularly going out and working in the field. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuingthe PUA lifestyle; email Matt on moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
MARACAIBO, VENEZUELA LAIR
Terrel is forming a new lair in Maracaibo with Nikola, Junior and others. Just wanna hang out and have fun. SS, GWM, DYD and other systems in the mix... doesn't matter. Everyone respects their own way of doing their thing. We're Interested in people who will attend meetings. Post your info on that page. Get an account going here http://www.forosdeseduccion.com/foros/index.php?referrerid=45 Visit http://www.forosdeseduccion.com/foros/showthread.php?t=1744"> http://www.forosdeseduccion.com/foros/showthread.php?t=1744 and post
info about you. Email contact: dmoralescan@gmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is http://wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
SALT LAKE AREA SEDUCTION LAIR
We are an expanding group of guys that are into the material by David DeAngelo and his Dating Gurus, of DYD. And we want to use this group to get/give advice, to share experiences and the results. And to meet up with other guys, so we can go out and work on our game together. A group that is more than just pick up lines, but wants to challenge their inner/outter game, etc... For info, contact LOVEStobeHATED@aol.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at http://dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.dutchseduction.com/"> http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at http://dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.dutchseduction.com/"> http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
NEW DALLAS LAIR FORMED
Dimitry has started the Dallas Wingman Meetup Group, a Dallas-Metro Seduction Lair
Website: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest@freemail.hu!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich lair has been setup for RAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. They have 16 members within the last 2 weeks. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com/"> http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
Any Tokyo guys looking to join a Lair in Tokyo should email Vlad at tokyolair@hotmail.com.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com/"> http://www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ATLANTA:
I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
TOLEDO, OHIO - METRO DETROIT:
I am interested in starting a Lair in the Toledo, Ohio - Metro Detroit Area; Those interested should email Jay at TSAFriend@hotmail.com
HOUSTON:
http://www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au
Melbourne Lair: The place, an open shopping center in the heart of the city. I sit down at the food court and wait for familiar faces to arrive. I picked the location of this months meeting of the Melbourne Lair, Its great to have it in an informal place like a food court, sets a nice relaxing mood. Once everybody arrives we push some tables together and start the meeting. We discuss peoples sticking points and offer suggestions, we tell stories of crash and burns and success stories. We just shoot the sh*t, it f*cking great to meet up with like minded people. While telling someone my smurf routine, I see two guys get up from the table and start walking away, I glance back later to see them sitting with a girl, these guys are approach machines.
The meeting goes on way too f*cking long, everybody's got a story to tell, advice to offer, we could talk to each other for days. I feel like this is Ocean's 11 and we are planning the big heist. There is the leader, he started the group. The guru, he's an encyclopedia of info. There is the joker, he can't stop negging and teasing everyone; f*cking Canadians. There's the approach machines, they can't follow the conversation because they are too busy following the nearest piece of ass. There is the SSer, the grease boy and of course Brad Pitt. We all exchange numbers before leaving and make plans for sarging during the week. If there is a Lair in your area, join it, if there isn't, start one of your own. You will not regret it.
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who sarge regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is http://www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://www.mysterymethod.com/"> http://www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
http://www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at http://www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (http://www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2005
Location Dates
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (Location - Tenative) November 6 thru 12 Sign Up Online!
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Schedule 2005 - Finished for this year.
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Major Mark (http://www.trucor.com) Schedulefor 2005:
Introduction to Hypnosis Oct. 10-14 & Train the Trainer Oct. 15-16 in New York.
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to http://www.trucor.com
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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality
A home study course by David Shade http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out athttp://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> http://www.alphalover.com . Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> http://www.alphalover.com
"The Seduction End-Game"
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Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer (http://www.seduceandconquer.com) CD disks present Payton's unique, dynamic style of meeting and seducing women. His methods are very natural and are the epitome of the original advice you get - tease and take away, play hard to get, etc. Definitely worth checking out, but not for everyone.
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Due to popular demand , Learn from the resident Sexpert How to be Outrageously Successful With the Opposite Sex and How to naturally let the game come to you. An intensive 1 on 1 personalized bootcamp taught to you by the East Coast's #1 Personal Dating Coach and Mentor. For more info go to http://www.youaresoinmyway.com
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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out http://www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing sh*t tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good s*ex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/"> http://www.badboylifestyle.com
Small group workshop - London, Uk - September 15-16-17 ( 1150 Eu ) - 1350.00 $
Additional workshop day - London, Uk - September 18 ( 500 Eu ) - 610.00 $
7 seats available
Small group workshop - Munich, Germany - September 22-23-24 ( 999 Eu ) - 1250.00 $
6 seats available
Instructors: Magnum , Badboy
Additional workshop day - Munich, Germany - September 25 ( 500 Eu ) - 610.00 $
3 seats available
Instructors: Magnum , Badboy
Small Group Workshop - Vienna - October 6-7-8 ( 999 Eu ) - 1250.00 $
8 seats available
Additional workshop day - Vienna - October 9 ( 500 Eu ) - 610.00 $
5 seats available
Small group workshop - Sydney, Australia - October 27-28-29 - 1350.00 $
9 seats available
Instructors: Guest Instructors , Badboy
Additional workshop day - Sydney, Australia - October 30 - 610.00 $
6 seats available
Small group workshop - Melbourne, Australia - November 4-5-6 - 1350.00 $
10 seats available
Instructors: Guest Instructors , Badboy
Small group workshop - Dublin - November 17-18-19 ( 850 Eu ) - 1040.00 $
10 seats available
Instructors: Guest Instructors , Badboy
Additional workshop day - Dublin - November 20 - 610.00 $
5 seats available
You can book your workshop on: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/?badboy=workshops
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Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! http://www.seductionlair.com/
The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!
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Sensei & Wilder Pick-Up 101 (info@pickup101.com):
More than just workshops, PickUp 101 provides focused programs that begin weeks before you arrive with our home study materials, our 3-day skills intensive & field work training, and lasts long after you leave with follow up coaching calls and access to the PickUp 101 private forums.
PickUp 101 provides you 'warp-speed' training in a sequenced progression to take you from complete newbie to getting laid like a rock star with our proven step-by-step programs.
In our current programs you will learn the latest in:
- Attraction Skills
- Night Club Game
- Day Time Game
- Direct AND Indirect Methods of Approach
- Deep Rapport Skills
- Effective Day-2 Seduction Tactics
- Dressing For Your Pickup Artist Identity
- Multiple Relationship Management
- Advanced Pickup Tactics
- And much more...
Our programs are structured to build on each other and NEVER repeat material.
Our instructors stay on the cutting edge of what works, and we won't lock you into any one way of doing pickup. We find what works BEST FOR YOU, and provide you with all the training and coaching you need to succeed.
We also provide monthly free seminars in San Francisco, and free distance learning teleseminars.
Call us toll free for more information.
PickUp 101
1459 Powell Street
San Francisco, CA
1-877-PICKUP-9 (toll free)
The replay of the last teleseminar is available on the PickUp 101 website: The Truth About Direct And Indirect Game From a teleseminar featuring Lance Mason ("Sensei") of PickUp 101 http://pickup101.com/August4/replay.html
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New street seduction CD course from Croatia
mr.ice - Croatian seduction master finally released his seduction audio
CD "Streetmode".
Backed by 5 years of extensive research it contains step-by-step directions on how to seduce girls in normal - everyday environment.
Each part uses structured approach i.e. you are given an introduction that describes specifics of each seduction environment together with steps that are neccesary for you to feel comfortable before you start with the seduction.
You are then guided through the seduction process - from intial approach to conversation and later to kissing and having sex with a girl.
for more information: http://streetmode.atspace.com
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Archangel:
I've got something I think you & your readers would be interested in.
It's called NLP PLUS and you can see it here: http://nlp-plus.com/"> http://nlp-plus.com The entire system is based upon Breath, Body, Mind, Motion. It's a system of Confidence and Persuasion, and is meant to be easy to use with little memorization.
There's a demo lesson here: http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/ConfidenceDemo.asp
The Rapport structure is here:
http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/rapport.htm
The rapport structure is very simple, and extremely effective. All you have to do is the BBMM structure to gain rapport with someone.
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Juggler is back!
Charisma Sciences, led by longtime seduction authority Juggler, focuses on developing a man's natural game. Our clients usually
- aren't connecting with women despite all efforts,
- are sick of using routines and material that isn't their own,
- want to understand vibing skills that will work in *any* situation.
We are now limiting the size of our events to four students with two to three instructors (including Juggler, of course), because we're not just giving a guy some lines and throwing him out there. We get to know our clients and teach them social vibing techniques, based on their own personality traits, that apply to women, men and groups.
There's just no other way to prepare a guy for the breadth of interactions he's going to face in his life, seductive or otherwise.
It's the difference between flash game and solid game. We don't teach men how to impress their friends and thirty other people with some jokes or tricks - we teach them how to consistently get numbers that will not flake, and closes that aren't forced - by building a solid foundation for every interaction.
Our Charm School bootcamp runs Friday to Sunday in Ann Arbor, MI and
other cities worldwide. To learn more about what we teach, you should check out our website, where we have free weblogs, podcasts, compiled articles, and the three-year-in-the-making Juggler eBook. See http://charismaarts.com/. Looks very interesting!
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Giuseppe Notte:
http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/ - Giuseppe Notte's ALL ABOUT WOMEN: The Encyclopedia Of Seduction EOS is a new product covering the topic of seduction from A to Z. This 100 pages e-book is ideal both for newbies and more experienced guys willing to improve weaker points of their game. The book is split into 6 bigger parts:
1. Being a woman Learn how women think and understand the "logic" behind their actions.
2. How to be the Man Part two is about the attitude. You can attract women just with your presence, by becoming a "real Man". Avoid the most common mistakes men make and learn valuable tips on body language, dressing and improving the overall quality of your life.
3. The first step: meeting girls Overcome your fear of approaching women and open girls anytime, anywhere without excuses. With the powerful techniques in the book, you won't have to memorize any "canned" routines or NLP patterns.
4. Second step: from the first date to having sex Get from the first date to the girl's bed easily. Don't be stressed anymore on when and how to kiss your girl or where to take her. You will learn step-by-step instructions for each phase.
5. Third step: keeping a relationship The secrets of keeping a long, rewarding relationship, or multiple relationships at the same time. You choose.
6. Sex Overcome your problems, improve your sexual life, become multi-orgasmic and turn into an irresistible lover.
For more information, visit http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/.
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CEIC: Sickboy and Playboy (Mike and Stephen from the DYD interview series) have launched "Cutting-Edge Image Consulting" ( http://www.ceimageconsulting.com/"> http://www.ceimageconsulting.com ). They offer exclusive, one-on-one programs in New York City. Also, they offer a 7-Day Audio Program which covers the following topics:
- A groundbreaking 3 point structure that serves as a roadmap to any successful interaction.
- The two most powerful qualities women are drawn to, and how you can learn to use them with shocking effect
- We go over the subtleties of female psychology and why it is absolutely necessary to do THREE things when meeting a new woman…do you know what they are?
- We disclose the secret of "hooking" - what it means and how to do it with shocking efficiency.
- We uncover a key language skill that can build fascination in any woman, ANYTIME. This skill is critical when building connections, which lead into relationships.
- Devastatingly effective conversational openers and lines.
- How to bait ANY woman into a conversation so that within minutes she is dying to know YOU.
- We list the EXACT places to go where you can meet women with the greatest probability of success. Stop wasting your time in the wrong venues for YOU.
- We teach you how to be the center of attention and the life of the party within SECONDS of meeting complete strangers.
- Learn which conversational topics are fascinating to women. Never be boring again.
- We provide a clear definition of relationships, and why some work and some don't. We give you clear-cut ways to improve all of your relationships TODAY.
- There are three different ways to engage women in conversation when you are socializing. These three are based on the three different environments that exist socially. Do you know what they are? We teach you on Day II of the program.
- We teach you the FASTEST way to begin conversations in ANY environment.
- Learn how to counter the most common rejection phrases from women - NEVER be shot down again.
- We outline the aspects of a successful mindset, and we then lead you through a clear and concise exercise to attain that attitude for yourself.
- MASTER the art of flirting.
- We instantly improve your body language and tonality with simple, clear advice never heard anywhere before.
- We give you a SIMPLE way to ALWAYS be relaxed and comfortable before approaching and engaging women in conversation.
- We have an entire CD which guides you through a step-by-step process for creating a timeline that helps you get back on track in EVERY area of your life. We have a solid system for bringing you in touch with what success means to you, and then developing a timeline - a plan - for success. Our aim is to help your dreams become a reality.
Check out their website today at: http://www.ceimageconsulting.com/"> http://www.ceimageconsulting.com
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http://www.songsofseduction.com/"> http://www.songsofseduction.com
A full rock music album created for the purpose of seduction is finally available! These 10 songs have been arranged to create rapport, capture and lead her imagination, start the attraction process, and ultimately GET HER IN THE SACK! State of the art NLP combined with hypnotic but rockin' music leads her through the seduction process for you. Best of all, it looks like a regular pop-rock album and sounds like the best alt rock on the air! The lyrics have been painstakingly written by NLP programmers, and the music was recorded by world-class recording artists, using the latest in persuasion te