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Wilder:
Story Theory for Use in Pick-up
Telling stories to a group of people is one of the best ways to generate attraction in pick-up when done correctly. What follows are several things to consider when choosing and crafting stories for use in the field. They’re more guidelines than hard and fast rules, as you can break most of them when you know what you’re doing.
1. Story material - This is close to a no-brainer. Choose stories that are interesting, fun and GIRL RELEVANT! Avoid stories about distasteful subjects, i.e. death, car accidents, bad breakups, etc.
2. Be succinct. Write your story out word for word and then gut it. Get rid of everything the listener doesn't need to know and doesn't care about. It’s essential that you’re ruthless here. Better to cut too much than too little. State the boring but necessary details as succinctly as possible.
3. Lead in- This is how you start the story. The lead in should be congruent with the story to follow. Communicate using words, tonality and energy the type of story to follow. Some examples are, "Oh my God, the funniest/craziest/weirdest thing happened to me the other day!" or "Did you guys ever notice XXX?" or "You'll never believe this, check it out…"
4. Initial hook- An initial hook is something that makes peoples’ ears perk up. It should be as close to the beginning of the story as possible and should be specifically chosen to make people lean in and pay attention. If your story is about something that happened to you at an S & M party, put that part up front!
Bad: My friend called me the other day and left me a message to call him back. So I called him and he went on and on about his Mother’s operation before finally telling me about this party he wanted to go to. Turns out, it’s an S & M party!
Good: So the other day I went to this S & M party!
5. Unanswered questions- Craft your story so that there will be unanswered questions in the listener’s mind. You want them to ask you questions that give you the opportunity to further increase your value.
Example: So I was picking up my new car the other day and the salesman wouldn't stop asking me about my watch. The girl I was with finally told him we had to go so she could pick up her instrument for a concert she was doing that night.
Unanswered questions:
- What kind of car did you just buy?
- What kind of watch were you wearing?
- Are you rich?
- Who was the girl you were with?
- What kind of performance did she have to get to?
6. Allude, don't state directly. In the examples above you’re alluding. You’re alluding to the fact that you have money, as you just bought a new car and have a cool watch. You’re alluding to the fact that you hang out with cool girls. Stated directly, any of this information would sound like bragging, so you allude to it. Make them ask you about it; don't volunteer it.
7. Subcommunication- This has to do mostly with tonality. The same story can be told playfully, seductively or in a way that generates intrigue. Calibrate to your audience and know what you want to subcommunicate.
8. Convey personality traits- In telling a story, you’re telling someone a great deal about yourself. Know what personality traits you want to convey. Craft your stories to subtly tell someone you’re adventurous, rich, famous, creative, courageous, etc.
9. Tonality. This is hard to put in print, but vary your tonality as widely as possible. Talk slow, then fast, then low, then high and then higher! Make transitions smoothly and tell the story in a way that sucks your listener right in. Along with this, act out parts of the story with your hands or your whole body.
10. Have a punch line. A punch line is a line that sums up your story in a powerful way. It’s a way of letting the listener know that the story is over. It doesn't have to be funny, though in many stories used in the field it will be.
Examples:
- "That’s the last time I take THAT dog to the beach!"
- "From now on I'm asking to see girls’ ID’s!"
- "That was the day I learned the true meaning of courage."
Short Example Story:
The Girls at Burning Man are fucking CRAZY! So I met this girl at dinner and we really hit it off. We spent the whole evening together and she was great, but something seemed a little off. Anyway, she finally takes me back to her tent and it’s really romantic and everything, then afterwards we fall asleep in each others’ arms. In the morning I kissed her on her forehead, but she didn't wake up. So I left and went to my own tent, which was like 20 yards away, figuring I'd see her at breakfast. But she’s not at breakfast. And she’s not at lunch. And she’s not at dinner. Finally after dinner, I see her across the space and she comes right over to me with this weird look on her face. She puts her hand on my chest, looks deep into my eyes and says, "Oh my God, you’re so hot, I HAVE to meet you."
I looked at her and said, "Sarah, it’s ME."
Then she gets this really weird look on her face and says, <big pause> "How did you know my name?!"
1. Story material- Burning Man, Romance, Sex.
2. Be succinct.
3. Lead in- "The Girls at Burning Man are fucking CRAZY!." I'd say this animated and playfully, like there’s a story coming.
4. Initial hook- Crazy girls at Burning Man.
5. Unanswered questions:
- What’s Burning Man like?
- Are chicks always so attracted to you?
- What’s wrong with this girl?
- What happened next with this girl?
6. Allude, don't state directly. Much more effective than saying "Hey, chicks dig me."
7. Subcommunication- Audience dependant.
8. Convey personality traits:
- I'm sexually open
- I'm adventurous
- I take things in stride
- I'm cool with weird and unusual people and situations
9. Have a punch line: "How did you know my name?!"
10. Tonality: I use a wide range on tonality telling this story.
Silentk:
I'm returning to this list, and to "the game" after a fairly long absence, and I thought that writing up some of my recent experiences might be useful to other "newbies" out there. If you’re looking for the memoirs of a master, or how to get 4 women into bed at once, this post isn't for you, but hopefully there are others who can benefit from my account. After giving a bit of background on who I am, and where I am in "the game" I will share my experience of going to a recent "speed-dating" event, giving my experience during and after the event. I am of the opinion that events like this can be a great way for shy guys to get off the computer and get some experience interacting with women and building the social skills necessary for success.
Background:
I just turned 30, and was born and raised in the Midwest, of Indian (Asian) descent. I wouldn't say I'm physically ugly, but I am short (5’6") and could stand to lose maybe 10 pounds (I'm 170 pounds, last time I checked). I tend to be attracted to good looking women in their 20s (hey, who isn't?) and could care less about hair color. I mainly go for white chicks, with Hispanic or Asian girls a close second, and very rarely black chicks. Also, I tend to value a pretty face above a good body (though like most guys, I'd like her to have both). I think that, in the Midwest at least, being Asian is a disadvantage for a guy, almost as bad as being short. I do have a nicer than average car ($28,000, bought in 2001) but am currently living with my parents (more on that below). Oh, and not that it matters, but I would say I am way above average in terms of IQ and "book smarts." Unfortunately, just as the current President is evidence that you don't need to understand nuclear physics to have political power (hey, he ca
n't even PRONOUNCE "nuke-ya-lurr physics and he got to the White House!), I think we can all agree that a sharp intellect, by itself, doesn't bring the hotties into the bedroom.
I have never had much success with women (only one girlfriend in college), and I first got into Speed Seduction (SS
) about 1999 or so, and heard of this list maybe a year later. About 2 years ago I faced some personal health and financial issues and had to move from California back to the Midwest, and have been living with my parents since then. As you may imagine, my health and career issues have been more of a concern than getting laid as of late, and while I know this is a list about getting women, I would urge anyone out there to keep things in perspective, and take care of yourself first and foremost. On that note, while there is no substitute for proper medical care, a technique that has been very valuable in managing my emotions and the difficulties with all that has happened is a technique called EFT (see Gary Craig’s website at www.emofree.com). EFT has helped me get past some negative feelings and get on with my life, and just be a more positive and stronger person overall.
In addition to spending some time learning SS type stuff, I followed this list and got into some David DeAngelo (DYD) stuff. I find the DYD stuff more useful/applicable to me than SS stuff, but for me personally, I am still working on getting to a "normal" level of interaction with girls, so I can't say that any one method has worked for me as of yet. I did a review a while back for KenXtions (should still be on this site), which is basically just a method for starting/initiating conversations and asking for dates. I am basically STILL at that level, which is frustrating, but I think the best thing for me (and a lot of guys) is to focus on where I am, rather than trying to study all kinds of techniques to handle scenarios that I'm not yet facing. In any case, after a year or two sabbatical (to handle those personal issues I mentioned), I am still plugging away at this stuff, so if any other guys are still trying to make this stuff work, you’re not alone.
Ok, that’s it for the general spiel, let’s move on to our favorite subject!
The speed-dating event:
Out of 14 girls (there were supposed to be 16, but 2 flaked out at the last minute), I selected 11 as a Hit, basically being very open-minded. They even encourage you to be generous in your grading, as you can always decide LATER you don't want to meet that girl again, but if you don't select her as a Hit, you'll never find out her contact info. Out of the 11 girls I selected, I would say there were 3 that were pretty, or at least pretty enough so that you would notice them in a bar as being prettier than most women (remember, I am in the Midwest, not in Miami or LA, so I am not saying they are stunning, just quite good-looking). There was a fourth one, actually one of the girls I chatted with at the bar before the event started, that I thought was quite cute, but not as "pretty/hot" as the other 3. There were a few more that were semi-cute (nice smiles, not ugly, etc.), and then the other half of the girls were fatties or dogs.
The dates actually went by quicker than I expected, which was a relief. This is already getting pretty long, so I will just summarize some of the interactions. Of the 14 girls, I selected 11, and of those 11, 3 selected me. Of the 3 girls I did NOT select, I was told that 1 actually selected me (but as I said, they would not tell me which one it was). I really don't regret the 3 that I rejected, as 1 of them was fat (like my height, but at least as heavy as me), 1 was average looking, but had a shrill laugh and was really loud and hyper when she talked (to the point where I had to lean back a little from the table, just to try and signal her to relax and chill), and the other one was really cynical and seemed bored with the whole situation (she looked around the room most of the time we talked, which I thought was both rude and strange for an event like this).
3 of the girls that I selected that did NOT select me:
Girl1: first one I talked to, maybe a bit tall for me, but cute, and had a nice smile. She seemed very positive and was fun to talk to. I was surprised she didn't select me, but she was taller than me, and may have had an issue with that, or my race (she’s white, I'm Asian/Indian), who knows.
Girl2: This was probably the prettiest girl there. Black cocktail dress, nice legs and body, smallish breasts (B cup), pretty face, good skin, brunette. I felt pretty good about our interaction, and actually thought she might have selected me. She was very pretty though, so I didn't take it personally. In any case, it was good practice, and a confidence builder to get some conversation going with a pretty girl, and feel like I held my own and represented myself well.
Girl3: This was the 2nd of the 3 pretty girls. Tall blonde girl with a cute face and short hair, with nice long legs under a short dress. She was talking to 2 or 3 guys at a time during the breaks, and seemed very chatty and outgoing. It turns out that she was a TOTAL nut case. I guess if you are a good looking girl, you can be a total psycho, and people will accept that kind of mentality and still put up with you. I still selected her though, just since she was good looking and she probably had hot female friends. But hey, maybe she did me a favor by not selecting me.
The 3 girls that DID select me:
S-----: Very average, plain looking girl. She seemed a bit nervous, and normally, I would NOT have selected her. But like I said, I am pretty desperate, and need all the practice I can get. We really didn't have a very interesting or fun conversation. In any case, it is good to get the confidence of having a girl select you without having to use any special tricks or anything.
C------: This was the girl I thought was quite cute, but not pretty or "hot" enough to be one of the prettiest 3 girls there (she just seemed more "cute" than "hot" if that makes sense). I had chatted with her and her friend earlier at the bar, so I felt pretty confident when I sat down next to her. She was quite petite and skinny (very small breasts really), with long blond hair. Her friend was the really cynical girl though, and they were sitting right next to each other. We chatted a bit, and she seemed to be in a very fun mood. I stopped all of a sudden and pretended to get all serious, and went into my "wait a minute, I need to know, before we go any further...do you live in a trailer?" She was totally sucked into it, thinking I was serious, and then cracked up. "No (still laughing) I do not, so if you ARE looking for a girl from a trailer park, you have to keep looking!" I pretended to be very relieved and then said "hold on, let me make a note so I don't forget (pretending to write on my clipboard) C d
oes NOT, repeat does NOT, live in a trailer." She kept laughing and seemed to really get a kick out of it. Her cynical friend looked over and asked what she was laughing about (pretty rude I thought, since she was supposed to be talking to a guy of her own at the time). Then the cynical friend said "oh, actually she DOES live in a trailer" and then C was like "no, she is just kidding, don't listen to her, she’s just kidding." I thought her friend was a first class bitch, but kept my mouth shut. Our time was up, so I just said "Hmm, I guess I will have to think about which of you two I should believe." Of course, the cynical girl had no credibility in my book, but I thought it was best to let the cute girl wonder if I liked her (sort of a DYD type move of keeping her guessing about how I really feel). It must have worked because she selected me, which I was happy about, as she was pretty cute, and the most fun, in terms of interacting with her, of any of the girls there.
M----: She was very pretty and sexy, but she had almost no breasts to speak of (it seemed that most of the girls there were pretty flat-chested, perhaps girls with bigger breasts get enough dates without going to events like this?). I kind of figured she was out of my league (she had 1 or more guys talking to her during every break), so I figured I had very little chance anyway (funny how that takes the pressure off!). I asked her one of my canned questions "If you could go on a date with anyone alive, who would it be?" (kind of an SS style question). She thought about it and said "probably Brad Pitt…I think Brad Pitt". I was bummed she said that, as I figured she was way into looks, and I am no Brad Pitt. I played it cool and said "Interesting, so…what is it about him you find so appealing, why him?" She thought a second and said "well, he is just so physically perfect, he’s gorgeous… or maybe Johnny Depp too." At this point I figured I had no chance in hell, and a true SS-er would have tried to pursue what
it is that "physical perfection" makes her feel, etc., but I felt like I was slipping fast. She asked "what about you, who would you go on a date with?" I pretended to be surprised and said "you mean, present company excluded" and raised my eyebrows at her. She didn't seem to find that joke funny, or else didn't get it. I went on "well, there are only 2 that come to mind really and my second choice is (movie star)." She nodded and said "what about your first choice?" I said "that’s easy Oprah Winfrey!" She leaned back and turned her head saying "no…I mean Oprah is a great person, with lots of great qualities, but as a dream date?" I just smiled and said "hey, there’s lots of hot movie stars, and there’s reasons to go out with any of them---but Oprah has about 800 million reasons to fall in love with her!" It felt good to have a hot girl like her select me, I was pleasantly surprised.
After the event:
I felt good about myself that I had taken a step and dealt with some nerves and gone out there and met some women. Not as good as getting a hot girl naked, but a good step. The next day, I sent each of the three girls, the average one (S), the cute girl (C, with the bitchy friend) and the pretty one (M) an email. I kept it to about 3 or 5 lines long, said it was good to hear from them, how did they like the event, and they should give me a call and we can continue our conversation. All of them replied, all gave me their phone number, but none actually called me. Being in the Midwest, and being that I am not Brad Pitt (or David X, or Rick H.), it is probably a lot to expect that they would call me. I felt good that they all gave me their phone #s pretty easily.
S, the average one, seemed very excited to meet. Turns out, when we went on a date, she was pretty much a pain. I didn't even try for a kiss, as I felt no vibe at all.
M, the pretty one, turned out to be a real pain to get in touch with. I called, left a voicemail, she didn't call back. Called again, and I asked about doing something on Sunday, and she said "Oh, I have plans to do X Sunday". I was getting a real vibe of bullshit/brushoff from her, but I said "I can do Tuesday or Wed next week how does that look for you?" She said "I'm not sure, it might work." So I told her, "Ok, you have my number and email, I am up for doing something Tue or Wed, let me know if that works for you." That is the last I have heard from her. It would be nice to get some measure of revenge, but at this point the best revenge would be to fuck the shit out of some girl that is hotter than her. No clue why she selected me or gave me her phone number, maybe she likes the attention.
C, the cute one, was fun in person but had a brief, almost rude email. She did give her number though, so I called her. She was fun to talk to on the phone, and we finally set up a time to meet. We met at a bar, and I think we had a pretty good date. No sex (not even close), but some hand-holding, piggyback ride, and a light kiss on the lips. She is a smoker, which is a bummer, but otherwise fairly cute and attractive girl. Unfortunately, that was almost 4 weeks ago, and since then she has been out of town for a week, and pretty much blown me off since then.
Well, I hope my amateur efforts can inform and inspire some of you others out there. If anyone has suggestions on where my skills need the most improvement, I'm happy to hear it. Right now I think I just could use some successes to get the ball rolling, and I am not too focused on being the "ultimate mack daddy." Unfortunately, even getting modest success (ie, sex with a cute chick, not even a really hot one) seems to be evading me currently. I am glad I went to this speed-dating event though, as I got a chance to at least talk to some different girls and get some good practice. I would even go to another one, and I definitely recommend that someone in my situation try it at the least, it offers good practice, and the girls seemed much more open to talking than is usually the case at a bar. I got 3 girls' phone numbers, 2 dates, and 1 kiss, from the speed-dating event. Nothing to brag about, but I did get some confidence and experience from this, which I feel good about and is a good step for me.
Mark B.:
(Commenting on a photo of several unattractive women who underwent make-overs and the "after" photos show very attractive women)
Amazing pic. Would any of us really date any or approach any of the women in the before photo? I don't think so. Now do you think if any of these women in the before photo had the best lines, the best game, the best character, the best anything, but remained looking the way they did, do you think any of us would still approach any of them or even glance twice? I don't think so. Now what makes any guy think that if he is the male equivalent of any of the before photos, that any woman, based on his so called game would be interested in him? He can be as cocky, as funny, as hypnotic or whatever else he wants to be but without the exterior it's just too difficult to look beyond and see the guy's true worth, his true value. I have said this before and will say it again - as women beautify themselves, so do we need to look our best all the time. I have written about this enough times where I don't need to repeat myself. But even having the right colored shirt that matches one's look can make a difference. I have a
friend that wears all black. He is a good looking guy and in good shape, but wearing all black makes him look unfriendly and a bit scary to most women, and they tend to shy away. When he puts on a light colored, light blue or white shirt he begins to glow and women swoon over him, he feels more confident because of the attention, he relaxes and opens up and in time he has several hotties either dancing with him or talking to him for extended periods of time.
I think all of us can heed our lessons here. But most women will not admit to being this superficial, and I don't blame them. but all we need to do is to pay attention to the type of men to whom they respond - usually the guys that take the best care of themseves as these women in the pic.
Cliff's Comment: While looking your best is never the wrong thing to do, looks are not the only thing. David DeAngelo has an interview coming out with Sean Stephenson (www.seanstephenson.com) who I met briefly at the DYD Masters Seminar in L.A. (and who receives these emails) and who does pretty well with women. If you think looks are the only thing that matter (and I know that there are many guys out there reading this list who, despite all the evidence to the contrary that's been posted here over the years), take a look at Sean's website for an eye-opener.
Maxwell:
Here's a tactic that I use to either build attraction or to qualify the girl, based upon where I am in value.
I'll say to her:
Hey, I don't know if I can trust you... you seem evil! I need to see if you are as evil as you seem!
Then I'll ask her some of these questions, calibrating to what kind of value I already have.
If I am still building attraction, I might say:
* Would you sell drugs to kids?
* Would you kill a handicapped person if the fate of the world depended upon it?
* Do you suck toes?
No matter her response, I'll use it to make it seem like she is evil.
"Oh my God... you would kill a handicapped person? You are so evil!"
If I need to qualify her, I can use the evil test to see how far along I am. By making it seem silly, I can back out if she isn't ready to be qualified... if she answers in a straightforward way, then she is ready to be qualified.
I will ask her (btw...use your own standards... these are mine):
* Do you smoke?
* Do you drink?
* Do you take drugs?
Either/Or (some questions can be used either way):
* Would you withhold sex from a boyfriend to get back at him?
As she answers, begin giving her evil points based upon whether you like her answers or not. If you are building value, you can construe her answers so that they seem evil... "You suck toes? No way... my mom wouldn't want me to talk to you. You are so evil!"
Then you can always use this as call back humor to take away evil points when she does something good, or to add evil points when she does something bad.
I find that about 2-3 questions will push her state and give you a buying temp spike... any more than that is too much. You can always bring it up again as call back humor.
Of course, feel free to make up your own questions to suit your personality. The main thing is the idea that you are in some way screening her and you are using evilness as the excuse, and to use it as call back humor for push/pull.
Hypnotist:
OR:Alpha BL+Attitude+Dressing good=Crazy Playboy life!
Hey guys,
Friday was oustanding for me.
The story starts with lunch. I was eating at my favorite restaurant when I noticed a girl I know. Let me give you a bit of background about her: She is the sister of a girl I know, that introduced her nice looking sister to me around 2 years ago.
When I saw her first time, I was still an excuser, so you can imagine how I would act around her, feeling nervous, fearing of fucking up the sarge, supplicating...
I ran into this chick many times in those 2 years. In the maintime my confidence improved, I started to use c&f on girls, and did it to her too, and she laughed. I told her jokes, until I did reach with her a point where I can say anything and she will laugh since her logical brain is not filtering anymore when I tell a joke.
This girl was used to be single. Last year she got a boyfriend. I befriended her boyfriend since he's a cool guy.
I experimented with some stuff with her despite knowing that she has a bf, like to gain more confidence, when she was sitting in a restaurant with her bf, I kissed her back in front of him and said hello.
Or another day while talking with her, I suddenly caressed her cheek, just to see if I could get away with it (no reaction from her, I was sure of it). This was before going to WS, when I was doing some exercises to notice how 98% of fear was just in my head and I was fighting against it.
Back to now, as soon I see her, we started to talk, and she asked what I did this summer. So I told her about all the crazy stuff I did. Then I asked about her summer, and she told informed me that she got a new job. So I asked her what she like the most about the new job and we chatted for a bit, and as usual I was using alpha body language, projecting comfort, a relaxing vibe, etc. Later she has to go, so I had to drop a bit my voice tone, since I don't want other guys around us from our common social circle to hear what I was going to ask:
"When will we see each other?"
She replied with "Usually on Fridays, since work is keeping me busy."
I said "ok, bye."
She stood up and was going to pay for the lunch, so after a bit I did too, and I noticed her still standing waiting to pay for her lunch. So I leaned on a wall, and she turned her head towards me, and said: "Tonight there will be a big party around here, do you know [Name of a guy I know]? He set up the party, and it starts at 11 pm."
"Sure, we are friends," I said. And she said: "Cool, maybe we can see each other there."
"Sure, why not?"
She paid and as soon as she was almost at the exit door to the restaurant, I wanted to try something that Revan mentioned in a post: a girl asked Badboygermany if he believed in love at first sight, and Revan said that instead of replying with "yes," to touch with your hand to her cheek and slowly caress it, while holding EC.
I felt some matrix fear and I was going to stop myself, but fuck, I am a man and I can display my emotions.
So I motioned for her to stop and she did, and then I walked towards her, getting as close as I can, being a bit nervous since I was afraid that our social circle will notice us (you have to be careful with social circles, and getting a bad rep, as Badboy pointed out). I moved my hand to her face...then to her cheek....and slowly.....caressed it....and then I told her what I felt at that moment, with a deep Don Juan voice "it was wonderful for me to see you again" (Fuck! Shark, this is for you Buddy! Read on!)
I was stunned by her reaction. Her eyes lit up, her energy from low got up, she opened up, started smiling like she was flying, and she started to kino me, touching my arm several times, holding my hand, holding EC. I mean total lover behavior exchange between me and her, and she said "it was wonderful for me too, without you it felt like something is missing."
My brain was like "AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.......HNNNNNNNNNN!" Guys, I couldn't say anything, I was in total fucking trance...
I let her go, being shocked by her reaction. Do you guys think she likes me even though she has a BF? I am not sure ;-)
And this was just the start! :-)
I was walking in the street towards the university with a huge smile on my face, knowing that I won against the matrix and made a new step towards being more and more myself and dropping my fears, routines, and bad programming.
I was going to talk with one of my university teachers.
But he was late, so I waited in front of his office, grabbed a chair and sat myself down with alpha BL, with legs WIDE apart (I am tall) so that my feet were leaning against the wall, forcing people to jump over my legs and feet in order to move.
I started to read a book by Gandhi, since I started to read books written by leaders when Badboy pointed out that charisma doesn't exist. My whole attitude was I don't give a fuck about anybody, and I won't move my feet.
So I stood here.
Soon after, three female university students were forced to jump over my legs, and I didn't care. I just kept on reading the book not even noticing them. And some other girls had to do this,too.
Why I am writing this? Read on...
After dinner, I had to do some stuff at the house of a friend of mine (posting here included since I don't have internet access yet at my new home).
Then I got back to my house and it was time to dress for the hunt :-)
I did some strategic thinking: the party will in a big house, with not much light. So I need to dress in white/red to be seen and stand out in darker rooms.
I put on some nice accessories, and my sunglasses, and I looked and felt like a fucking rockstar, baby! (This is my dress style now, when I go out to get hot chicks.)
What I was wearing allowed me to look REALLY good, without being a guy from another planet.
It was around 12.20 pm, and I was a bit late. I was afraid that the girl would have left already, having not seen me for more than an hour.
I walked in the center square of the city, and noticed people and girls looking at me. At first I was little bit nervous, but as time went on I relaxed, and my confidence was going up.
Then I saw three people walking towards me in the distance, and then when they where closer, I noticed that one of them was the girl that had invited me to the party!
And as soon as she saw my face, she let out a big laugh and said that I looked like Elvis! :-) (Looking at my pics from yesterday, I must admit that I looked a bit like him, but my hairstyle is better and I wear cooler accessories than him, heheh.)
Her fucking bf was next to her (shit, I was planning to kiss and fuck her at the party...)
bf said hello and asked me what I was doing and how was my summer, so I told him that I was going to the party (they had been at the party earlier) and told him about my summer. Then I asked some shit about him and they had to go, and as the group was leaving, I noticed the girl smiling at me and giving me DDB.
Shit, I'll get her next time, I have a party waiting for the King!
So I walked to the party all pumped up and...as I walked over to the house door, I didn't have the time to blink my eyes, as immediately one of the hottest chicks of the party put a hand on my chest and smiled at me saying "Ehyyyyyyyy". I am sure only the members of the Lifestyle crew and the other students could imagine how I felt at that moment. I was grinning inside to myself, since I knew that something like this would happen. My confidence skyrocked in that one instant. This was the first time in my whole life that something like this happened to me.
Could you picture how you will feel when one of the hottest girls at the party opens YOU and starts to kino YOU, and you didn't even open your mouth yet, and you feel like YOU ARE THE 10, NOT HER?
I am sure that you guys could find out now a good reason why I am a member of the Lifestyle crew! ;-) Next thing she said is "What? You are the guy who was in front of the teacher's office!" LOL LOL LOL!
And she smiled saying that, looking at me. I looked at her and said with total confidence "Yeah, that was me," almost laughing.
Body language+attitude+good clothes= BINGO! She could smell the playboy on me, and know that I don't give a fuck about people when we met earlier, result? Total attraction!
I grabbed her hand, and holding it I asked her what she going to do and she told me that she was going to go outside the house to get a bit of fresh air, so I moved outside leading her.
As soon as we were outside, she started to act in a way that is totally similar to what is written in Magnum ST review of Badboy WS, when a girl told him:
HER: "So, are you here often?"
ME: "Actually, it is my first time being here on Thursdays."
HER: "Really, but you know everyone around here."
(me, of course, not knowing most people)
ME: "Yeah, why do you say that?"
HER: (looking at me up and down) "Just look at you, you know everyone here."
"...bla bla bla..."
And all I did was just build comfort, feeling relaxed, and standing out from the 800 other guys there.
"The game is just too easy, too fucking easy." - Quote: Badboy.
Same thing for me, she looked at me and said: "You know, you look outstanding"
Me: thank you, bla bla,
Her: Really your clothes are stylish, bla bla"
She kept on commenting on my clothes, touching me, commenting on my attitude, how I stood out, etc.
(*Highfive* to Magnum st!)
So I moved closer to her hear and naturally I said with a low tone of voice "I like you and I would like to know you better" (*Highfive* Shark!)
She immediately replied that she has a bf (what? You have a shirt? Uh, cool...) and she noticed two friends (male and female) of hers standing near us and moved towards them, and they said something about the bf, so I smiled at them, introduced myself, switching to party/high energy, told myself that I am a SUPER COOL GUY. I said maybe two words to them, and then I gave my back to those guys so that they wouldn't bother me anymore and continued to game her :-D
I was going to grab her and lean on a car, but after 5 seconds 2 girlfriends of hers showed up (I wish I had had another student with me). The first thing the girls did was to grab her to drag her away and saying "leave her alone, she is the girlfriend of one of our dearest friends."
I don't know about you guys, but when a girl tries to do this to me, there's only one thing I could do, and that was to SHOW THEM WHO THE FUCKING ALPHA MALE BOSS IS!
I grabbed my target's arm and moved her to me, saying: I am going to talk to her for 10 minutes sitting here (pointing at the car).
Then one of those 2 girls said: "What? This is the guy who was sitting in the chair earlier!"
Me: Yeah (huge smile)
One girl told the other, "I had to jump over this guy's legs in order to cross the room," with a "I couldn't believe it" expression on her face. As she said that, I was proud of myself! :-)
My target said to the 2 girls: look at him, he dresses cool! The girlfriends persisted, so I had to grab her again. And then I said to myself "it's time to befriend these bitches!"
So I introduced myself, and grabbed my cam and said to the bitches: "Hey, lets take a pic of us."
The target commented about the cool cam I have (it's the same cam Badboy uses btw; it gets me a lot of attention).
I took a picture of the three girls (this was the first pic from the crazy night that follows).
Suddenly one chick starts to touch the tits of my target almost flashing them over her shirt in front of everybody in the street while I was taking the pic! WTF? LOL! I was speechless (these pics will go into my personal collection).
Then I made the girlfriend take a pic of me and her with my cam.
I got my cam back and the fucking gf started to drag her away again, so I grabbed her, and told to them that I was going to talk to her sitting in the car, and not to worry.
The gfs were like robots saying that she has a bf, bla bla, and dragged her away again, so from now on it was like 10 minutes of tug-of-war. WTF? Stupid gf, they persisted but so did I, since I was feeling very confident in my power and attitude. One guy got pissed off by this and started to yell to the gf "For fuck's sake, let the girl decide for herself with who she wants to be with", as I continued to drag her to me. The gf persisted, so I had to grab gf hands and removed them from her (I didn't care at all about the opinion on the other people from the party that were in the street, because when I know that the girl likes me all other opinions are worthless).
Then I got bored with this, and I let the gf get her. Fuck, I have a whole party to own and I hadn't even started yet.
I got inside to see what the house looked like.
Fuck, the place is a cockfarm. It's impressive how many people are in there, just imagine an ordinary house with every angle you can think of full of people, bathroom, kitchen, windows and corridors included. UNBELIEVABLE.
It was extremely hard to move, or breath, so I could rarely display proper alpha language. There's no wall to lean on, no space on the floor, no chairs almost anywhere (I did find one later in the kitchen but the kitchen was full almost all the time), no space in the rooms, SHIT.
I had to be confident and rely only on my attitude and dressing style.
I walked slowly inside the party, feeling the energy around, paying attention to the reaction of people around me, calibrating them, noticing how they where dressed.
Most of them (usually males) where dressed in black, so they couldn't be seen as I did predict. By contrast, I was shining with white/red/silver stuff on me, and people could see me coming. People's reactions were amazing!
Looking at me with wide open eyes, mouth dropped, girls playing with their hair, smiling, guys asking "who is this guy?" Lots of them stopped me to say that I am great! (Translation: I envy you man, you have the balls to dress like I would but I am an excuser...)
Looking around, I wasn't just dressed cool. I was dressed SUPER, totally standing out from everybody else, in the whole night there was just one other guy who was a little (not that much) closer to my dressing style, since he had some of the coolest accessories on him.
I looked around for a hot chick to give me an approach signal, and after a bit a girl dressed in red behind her boyfriend looked at me and sent me a huge smile with DDB. So now it was only a matter of disarming bf.
We can't move since the room is too packed, so that gives me time to think. I approached the bf asking him stupid shit like "who organized the party?" and chatted a minute about this, and then I introduced myself to him, and the girl, being smart as she is, took the opportunity to introduce herself to me without me asking about this. I shook her hand and said something, moved to her left so a wall can cover me and her bf can take my space and move, and as soon as I see the target's head showing behind the wall and being sure her bf could see me I said softly to her ear "I like you and I would like to get to know you."
She said something like "Everyone here wants to know somebody..." and she vanished in the pack of people making it almost impossible for me to get her. WTF??
I moved closer to the kitchen, and one guy suddenly took a picture of of me without asking my permission.
I pointed this out him, and I added "Also ask, so I can strike a good pose." He said, "I'm sorry" and I said "Let's take another pic" and I grabbed some chicks and guys around the kitchen and we took a new pic.
One guy approached me said that I looked a lot like the leader of the rock band "The Verve" (Richard Ashcroft), lol. Later some other guys would stop me to say the same thing.
Then things are going even more crazy:
One guy stopped me and asked me to take a pic.
"Sure," I said.
Then the guy introduces himself, commented on how cool I am, and then started to grab people around him and asked them if they know me and when they say no, he will tell them (almost forcing) to take a pic with me.
Also he introduced me to girls, so I took full advantage of it, grabbing chicks and lifting them, having them asking me questions, kinoing them, gaming them like this *snap*
From time to time, as this guy with the cam sees me coming in his direction, he will invite me over and force more people to take pics with me.
So I instructed him to take some pics of the target with my cam, and he obeyed my order immediately.
It was exhilarating to notice girls' expressions looking at the whole scene, with me being the center of attention, getting people constantly around me, hot chicks,etc. Since we were doing like 20 shots or more , and I was striking cool poses like an actor on vacation. Girls where thinking, "Who the FUCK is this guy?? Is he rich or famous????"
I was walking on a corridor to join the dance room in the house, but as usual it was hard to move. One guy looked at me and then told me that I look a lot like the leader of an Italian rock band, so I replied "Really? People here tell me that I look more like Richard Ashcroft. Anyway, what's your name, dude?"
He introduced himself and the we talked for a little bit, and he told me that I look great and to wait here since he go get some wine for me to drink.
[Note: In Italy when you are at a party, people will drink alcohol fast and it will be gone early on. So it's valued like gold. When somebody offers you a drink, it's a sign of great respect]
So I said, "Sure man."
Then he moved to get me wine.
The night was perfect, I had everything I wanted: I had hot chicks open me, I had my personal photographer like a fucking celebrity, I had respect from people, social proof, I was being the life of the whole fucking party without doing anything, just being myself.
In the meantime, I finally moved to the dance floor, knowing that it will be the place with the best looking HB of the night.
Uh, not quite. The room was even more packed than the other rooms. There were no windows, no air at all (literally a fucking hot place), but I spoted one SHB at the other side of the room, pressed against a wall.
I was going to move towards her but since almost all the people on dance floor where drunk as hell, they started to push each other in every direction, throwing people at other people (in Italy, this is common behavior of drunken losers that can't dance, and they do this to seem cool).
I felt like I needed a break so I went outside.
As soon as I am out in the street, I see a guy I know who supposedly organized the party. He was talking to a cute chick from Argentina. I said to him "Hey, buddy", and immediately he introduced me to the chick. I shake her hand, he tells me she is from Argentina, and I was genuinely curious about something so I asked her "Tell me, in Italy we had heard that Argentina was in a very bad economic situation years ago. Then the media did not report on how it is going now, what's happening in your country?"
Man, did she reply with a long answer! It seems that this chick loves to talk, so while I was standing, she went on for like 20 minutes (WOAH!).
And then my buddy regained control of the conversation, since I had interrupted him, and I see what's happening. He was gaming her but his game is the one of a poor excuser. He was asking her for her #, and asked while looking down and shaking a bit: "If you give me the # we can maybe sometime go and have a coffee, and chat" shit like this. I asked him when he met her, and he told me that they met at the party few moments ago. Poor guy... she did give him the #, and then the guy got lost, leaving me and her alone. GAME ON.
I asked her a question and she gave me some info about her life, job, and she added something interesting: "I would like to see Abruzzo".
I asked her why she wanted to see that place (I was born there, so I can use that to build rapport).
I told her I was born there, and asked if she ever saw the place (no) and then I took out my cam (she commented on how cool my cam is) and showed her some pics from Abruzzo. I basically showed her everything I wrote on a private student forum about using the cam to subcommunicate the right stuff about you. She liked the pics a lot and asked me some questions. So I worked more and more on rapport and comfort building.
Funny thing was that I was noticing the difference between my game and that guy's game. He was talking to her and supplicating where she was the center of attention.
Me: She was talking to ME a lot. After a bit, I was not even listening, I was just standing, letting her talk, letting her build comfort, telling me stuff, and I would occasionally say: "Really?....ok....sure.....mmmm?...yes....oh ok....cool!" LOL LOL LOL. Like 40 minutes of this, it reminded me of the scene in the movie Swingers where the chick talks to the guy and he pretends to be interested.
She was gaming me and I was just waiting for her to win me over, I didn't have to do anything. Rapport was moving at a good pace and since I was standing I decided that it was time for me to lean on a car. So I moved my foot, but as soon as I took a step it seems that someone had forgotten a box of red wine and I destroyed it, staining my shoes and jeans SHIT!...
Well, I did regain my composure and resumed talking and suddenly two of her gf showed up, telling to her "we have to go."
Immediately I introduced myself, starting kino with them, showing them my cam, and told them to take a pic. Then I grabbed someone nearby and instructed him on how to take the pic. We did get the pic, and then the target said to me that she really has to go with her gf. I can sense she is telling me the truth so we did exchange numbers, hugged goodbye, she told me that she had really enjoyed talking and she left.
I was going to go inside again when a group of people from the other side of the street who were in the windows called my name. I had become a VIP, hahah.
As soon as I got inside, a guy stood right in front of me asking me to make a voluntary contribution to the party (????).
I just walked over him. This annoying guy later on in the night tried to block me many times to force me to contribute. One time he did try to stop me hard, and I got tired of it so I started tickling his hips until he stopped, LOL!
Then I see is the guy with the wine who said that he was looking for me and he asked me to come to get something to drink. So I said ok and we moved towards the kitchen.
As soon as I got in there, I noticed a chair that was free, so I sat using alpha BL. I noticed on my left that one of the girls that I had taken a pic of (she is a 6). I wasn't attracted to her, so I just talked for a little bit, when a drunk guy who was standing in front of me started to look in my eyes, and then he said something about me looking like someone (whatever). I just say hey, asked for his name, said maybe 1 word or 2 and then ignored him and talked again to the chick on my left.
Then I looked at my right and noticed that the chick on my left is with a gf that also took a pic with me, and now that I can see the gf's face and body better since there's more light than in the other room in the kitchen, I noticed that she is hot! As soon as I saw her face, she smiled at me, and said my name while laughing (it seems that I did get really famous thanks to the my personal photographer). So I smiled at her, kept EC, motioned for her to come closer and I naturally said slowly to her ear "I like you and I would like to get to know you." She smiled and then I started to ask her questions about herself, like what do you study, etc.
Her energy and interest level went down immediately, as she just answered one question and then I sensed all the connection vanishing. At that moment I was like WTF??? Then thinking about it now I realized that I calibrated badly since she was now in party mode, not in emotional girl mode. So I just had to be c&f, tell stories, and other emotional stuff to keep her busy and then isolate and fuck.
One chick approached me (I don't remember if she was one of the chicks that got a pic with me or not) and started touching me and asking why I am such a character. So I told her that I am being just myself. We talked a little more and then I didn't remember what happened with her.
I noticed some chicks walking near me and how guys would look at them with supplicating faces that said "I wish I had the balls to get you."
Looking again around for hot targets (since when I go out at night it's to get the hotter chicks in the place *highfive* Shark!)
I spotted 2 hot chicks I had noticed earlier on the dance floor. I was almost going to open then when... guess who's back?? The photographer! "Hey man!" he says to me, and I had the time to reply when he GRABBED IN AN INSTANT THE 2 CHICKS I was going to open, and placed then on my side. I was like WTF?????????????????? but then a voice in my brain said "TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS NOW!" So I star to kino them as soon as possible, touching their hips, hand, smiling, moving them, we took a pic, and then I made the guy take another pic with my cam, and then I grabbed the hotter chick of the 2girl set, and moved my mouth to her ear and said: "I like you and I would like to get to know you better."
I started to build rapport with her, and then decided to pull out of my bag of tricks the tests technique since I hadn't used it yet the whole night. I started it, and after 10 minutes her stupid gf grabbed her and started to drag her away. So I grabbed her arm and moved her to me. The gf persisted so I did too (Shit, tug-of-war again!)
And then target told me that she will be back for real after a moment. I wasn't totally sure if she would be back or not. Anyway I let her go, since I was bored of playing tug-of-war and anyway I knew I would find her around since she is hot and she stands out. Right? Wrong way of thinking...after 3 minutes of letting her go, a guy screamed: "COPS!" WTF?????
And I see a fucking cop moving in my direction! He walked past me looking in the whole house, the music immediately stopped, people started to hide drugs, and guys and girls started to run like rats in a basement, with their goal to get out of the house as soon as possible. So I get out too, and noticed more cops on the outside of the house. People started to ask me questions about the cops (they thought I organized the party, for some reason) and then decided to call it a night and left, walking towards home.
I think I'll build a house to Badboy.
Having a playboy life is really crazy! :-)
Throughfare:
This post is a follow up to discussion with a Toronto Lair member, and I wanted to toss it out in the newletter for further discussion. I'd appreciate some fresh ideas/experiences from other guys who sarge on public transit . . .
Every guy should be familiar with sarging on the transit.
Funny thing is: most guys think sarging on the transit is HARD, whereas anyone who's done it will tell you that it's easy . . .
Here are some obstacles I considered:
Just want to point out your choice of words.
This reflects your "theoretical" mindset, when you start thinking about how to do it. Let's change "OBSTACLES" into "CONDITIONS"
Every sarging environment has a set of conditions. How you conduct the sarge is related to those conditions.
- Absolute time limit: when her stop comes, she's getting off ; )
Reframe the word ABSOLUTE. You'd be amazed at how often that doesn't end up being the case, but still, in ALMOST every case she's going to get off at "her stop"- or you'll be getting off before her.
- To make matters worse you don't know when that's gonna be.
Reframe time:
Firstly, Delete the word WORSE
This is anchoring the subconscious idea you have that transit sarging is Hard/Difficult/Nasty/Risky/Whatever . . .
Secondly, describe this accurately: "You don't know at the beginning of the sarge when she'll be getting off . . . "
- Socially awkward. Everyone is kinda just sitting around quietly.
The social awkwardness exists in your mind . . . just like it exists in the minds of the AFCs at clubs who line the Death Rows around the bar and the edges of the room. IME women often are as bored out of their heads as you are on the transit, and love being opened & getting into a conversation.
Calibration, my son. Sometimes it will be an imposition to open a girl, other times she'll love being opened. You need to learn to read the signs.
So with these things in mind I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable using an opinion opener
Actually, opinion openers on stupid ads in the car, or something that happened on the car or station are GREAT
Even the trusty old "dye my hair blond/black" or "girl wants me to use eyeliner" openers can work really well, if ya need to start with canned material.
Or try the direct approach.
Do it Boss
Let me tell you a story here.
I have a female buddy who was sitting on the subway, next to a door. She told me that as a black guy was getting off, he went out the door next to her and asked her to take a note.
The note said he was too shy to talk to her there, but if she would call him (phone #) he'd like to meet her.
Her exact words to me were: "That took courage, he seemed so nice and I appreciated what he did so much that I did call him." They got together, hooked up & had a relationship that lasted for several months.
I think the key is too somehow turn the above disadvantages into advantages.
Great reframe!
Now I'm going to take it further and say "get rid of the advantage/disadvantage language and just use the word "conditions" i.e., what are the conditions under which you have to make the sarge work . . .
Maybe ask her where she's getting off
Don't do this to open- ever.
Girls on the transit always have to be thinking about security. The thought of being followed immediately enters their mind if you do this.
Only find out where she's getting off once you have EXCELLENT rapport & trust. And then make it a natural part of the conversation, so that you can use it to, for example, initiate a number close. i.e.: "Ya know- you've said some things that strike me as really cool, we should talk again . . ., but I've gotta get off in 2 stops . . . what's your number . . . " and so on.
Especially never supplicate by changing your plans to get off at her stop rather than yours- this is even worse than buying a drink for them.
Joke around, telling her that your stop is much cooler, etc... Use the fact that everyone around you is sleepy and looks like a zombie and come up with some material. This is all good stuff. The biggest deal is WARM eye contact & very RELAXED body language.
Remember comfort & trust are paramount in this situation. These are just some ideas I'm eager to try....
Go get em boy!!!
I'm sure some of you have more experience on this subject. I've opened gezillions of girls on the subway & streetcar. After all, what else are ya gonna do when you're standing around in a boring vehicle without a seat & can't even read your book? I've had many openers fizzle out & go nowhere, but have had many good responses, including extraction. And I've NEVER had bad experiences like a freak out or extreme rudeness, or stuff like that.
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Finished for 2004
Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has finished his schedule for 2004.
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
Tentative: Las Vegas beginning of 2005.
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
www.davidshade.com SEMINAR: Nov. 6 and 7, San Francisco
What would it be like to have everything you've ever wanted sexually with the women in your life?
The Advanced Sexual and Psychological Techniques to Drive Your Woman Wild
* Learn the aspects of bringing out the ruthlessly expressive sexual creature in your woman.
* Discover how to bring out her deepest desires, and even desires she never knew about.
* Learn the ways to mentally stimulate her to make her wildly crazy about you.
* Find out how to excite and fulfill her beyond her wildest dreams.
* Know that you can create and enjoy a relationship with a woman who is completely loyal and responsive to you.
This seminar will demonstrate to you what it means to be the personally and sensually powerful man that sexual women are longing to be with.
One of the greatest benefits of attending this seminar is that you will discover how to find a high quality woman and keep her screaming for more.
Presented by David Shade, the author of David Shade's Manual.
Special guest speakers:
Craig Eubanks - President of the San Francisco Sleep Walkers organization
will introduce you to the power of hypnosis.
Sensei and Wilder - Two highly skilled men at managing multiple women
will speak on "More Sex, Less Drama: Day Two and Beyond"
* How to build a stable of Girlfriends and keep them extremely happy.
* How to introduce women to new areas of intimacy and sexuality, including threesomes.
* How to have fun dealing with drama.
* How to enjoy your women even more.
* How to never get dumped again.
* How to build the type of girlfriend you can't wait to wake up next to.
Nov 6 and 7, 2004, San Francisco
NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.badboylifestyle.com
Zagreb, Croatia - October 28-29-30 - $900.00
UK (Europe) - December 9-10-11 - $850.00 (SOLD OUT)
Melbourne (Australia) - January 20-21-22 (2005) - $995.95
Sydney (Australia) - February 10-11-12 (2005) - $995.95
Cancun, Mexico - March 10-11-12 (2005) - $995.95
Cancun, Mexico - March 24-25-26 (2005) - $995.95
Cancun, Mexico - March /April 31 - 1-2 (2005) - $995.95
Amsterdam - April 21-22-23 (2005) - $995.95
You can make a deposit ($200) for a workshop on Paypal and send money to: nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! www.seductionlair.com/
The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!
Pick-Up 101
Taught at the Project San Francisco Mansion by Sensei and Wilder. Classes are a combination of lecture and tons of personal attention with supervised fieldwork in the evenings. The Fundamentals are hammered home: Opening, Generating Attraction, Isolation and Bridging. We work with each student to highlight their strengths and create a congruent image and identity. We also work with students to make their _own_ structured openers and attraction stories. Finally, we bring in live girls for the guys to practice on and we video tape and critique these sessions. There is no faster way to get up to speed on the fundamentals of pick-up than this workshop. And any PUA who has truly mastered the fundamentals is already in the top 5% of guys out there doing this stuff. Pricing, workshop schedules and student testimonials available at our website, www.pickup101.com
Upcoming workshop dates:
Oct. 22 - 24
Nov 19-21
Sanek has a new website up at fybb.eluid.org Check it out and see his comments.
Check out the 'supermarket of seduction' at www.seductionpro.com. Lots of interesting products to look into.
Impact Interaction (www.impactinteraction.com) @ London
Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.
The workshops include:
- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear
- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance
- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…
For more information go to www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.
Flirting Weekend Bristol (UK) - 23/24 October 2004
Flirting Weekend London - 4/5 December 2004
Learn how to develop immense pulling power in every aspect of your life!
"Flirting isn't just about impressing the opposite sex and picking up a partner, it's about getting on with people", says Peta Heskell, the founder of Britain's only Flirting Academy. "Great flirts do it with everyone -flirt that is!" Flirting is a way of interacting with people that makes it fun and easy to connect with them and makes them want to be with you. Become super sexy, develop your conversation power, boost your confidence, courage and self esteem and find out how to approach strangers and feel good. You may be looking for love, want to make more friends or improve the way you interact with people in general.
Flirt with life. Flirt for love. Flirt for fun. Flirt for success.
For more information about the October Flirting Weekend in Bristol, contact
LifeTalks - tel. 0117 973 1010, email info@lifetalks.co.uk or visit www.lifetalks.co.uk For more information about the December Flirting Weekend in London and other workshops with Peta, contact The Attraction Academy tel. 0700 4 354 784 or
visit www.attractionacademy.com/
Have you ever asked yourself...
* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?
* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?
* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?
Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)
Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.
Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.
There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.
Step by Step Threesomes
Hey, check out Suzy Bauer's site and her e-book (we need a review, so someone get this and let us know what you think) about creating threesomes. Suzy is an attractive married bi-sexual woman who says that her e-book will show you what to do to create threesomes, how to overcome resistance and how no one can tell you how to do this better than a woman. www.stepbystepthreesome.com/
"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"
www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm
Maximillian Hell:
I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.
www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell
Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):
http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: www.dynamicsexlife.com/
Someone needs to check this site and its products out also: www.mensniche.com (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Daniel:
If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
Carlos Xuma:
Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, sex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm
() (@.com ):
has a system and set of Tarot Cards that he his going to be launching soon. Find out more at his website.
P.S. Try magic words 'ben' 'rap' and 'nlp'.
A few sites to check out:
Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).
Check out Payton Kane www.seduceandconquer.com. VERY interesting. There will be a review of his product here shortly.
Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com
The Foundations of Seduction
Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and
drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD www.sexualkey.com/
LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
Ron Louis and David Copeland have been doing several boot camp style one-on-one courses and have a seminar coming up November 12-14.
To find out more about the "Freedom with Women" seminar, go to www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/fww5.html
or contact davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com
HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. howtosucceedwithwomen.com/
1. You can receive a series of audio programs from the "Freedom With Women" seminar. This audio is not available anywhere else!
2. You'll get valuable email summations of these audio programs to "lock in" the learning and help you take action.
3. You'l get other special email lessons from the "Freedom with Women" seminar, all about finally having real freedom with the women you desire.
To get the free course, go to
www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/free-audio.html
Advanced Macking:
In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm
Michael:
If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level, you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminars in Toronto. It is two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.
There are also awesome guest speakers at these seminar:
To learn more about this special seminar, go to:
And follow the "Seminars" link.
And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.
Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!
Download it now at:
www.thedatingwizard.com/ And follow the link to "About The Dating Wizard"
FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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