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Wow! The response to my seminars and what I am trying to teach has been overwhelming! So far it's been a lot of fun, and it is great to meet so many men (and women) who are seeking a more natural and enlightened way of moving through life.
You know, as men, we all have different goals.
Some of us want to have lots of casual sex, some want to find a girlfriend, some want to have multiple partners, some want to find "the one", some want to get married, and some want to enrich their existing marriage or relationship.
I believe the concepts I am teaching in my seminars and in my writings will apply universally to all these goals. Other techniques that have already been learned - or will be learned in the future - will mesh perfectly with this new way of thinking . If anything, I am trying to teach an understanding of why all these various tactics and techniques work as well as they do You know, as we start out in our dating life, we are initially attracted to physical attributes. But as time goes on and our experience with women grows, we begin to look for something more something behind the eyes.
To tell you the truth, I think every man is looking for his muse someone who inspires him to greater and greater things in life!
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CarlosX (www.datingdynamics.com):
Embrace Your Inner Player
This is a word to my RAFC
s out there. I was once one of you.
Guys everywhere live in constant frustration. Some of it is se(xual. A lot of it is psychological.
First off, we've been made to believe that sleeping. with a woman is a privilege. It's a gift from them to us, and we need to work hard to be worthy of it. Otherwise it's hand lotion and Internet n@sty sites for you.
I personally find this state of mind to be incomprehensible.
That's a big word for unbelievable.
It's unbelievable that so many men honestly believe that they need to push, beg, and trick women into giving them WHAT WOMEN WANT already.
But the biggest source of frustration for the guy who wants to learn the path of the player is ... not wanting to BE a "player."
This comes from many places, really.
It has its roots with women who talk down the "Player" as a heartbreaker. A jerk. A man-about-town with no scruples.
Then there's the stereotype of the player, like Quagmire on "The Family Guy."
Giggidy, giggidy, gig-gi-dy!
He's a one-dimensional stereotype. He's the guy in all the movies that needs to be taught a lesson by a willful woman who eventually "tames him" and he declares his undying love.
Just watch any of those dumb-ass movies out there today and you'll see what I mean.
The "Player" doesn't exist.
At least, not in the way you're probably imagining him.
This is a female fantasy, along with the same trashy plot lines of half the romance novels and cheeseball movies out there.
Girl meets guy.
Guy is a wild bad boy. The Player.
Girl has torrid romance with guy.
Girl breaks up with guy.
Guy discovers the error of his "player" ways and wants girl back.
Girl tames guy.
Carlos throws up.
Look, guys that sleep around with a lot of women and recklessly hurt them are FEW and far in between. (And this is something I do NOT condone.)
In fact, this cardboard stereotype of the "player" is just an urban myth, right along with the alligators living in your sewers and the kidney farmers. (If you don't know about these, don't ask...)
Remember in "The Matrix" when Neo was jolted out of his own reality by the kid who bends the spoons in front of him? What does he tell him? "There is no spoon."
You have a new belief: "There is no Player."
The sad truth of the matter is that:
1) Women LOVE the company of men who can actually give them pleasure from se. xual tension (which is not the same guy that is the "Nice Guy," bending over backwards to provide for them.)
2) Women can sniff out the player in a minute, and if they really WANTED to avoid him, they would.
Nobody held a gun to her head to make her sleep with him. She desired it more than he did, in most cases.
So back to the frustration and fear that guys have for the player...
Most of your frustration is in feeling powerless.
Powerless, meaning "lacking power."
Or sometimes described as "Got no power."
I remember a Seinfeld episode where George is complaining: "Why do women always have the upper hand?? I never have the upper hand! I need Hand, Jerry! I have NO Hand!"
Which leads to most guys having ONLY hand, if you know what I mean. (Oh, Carlos, you so fuuuunny...!)
Men who don't understand the game of male-female interactions often fall into a pit of self-doubt that leaves them on the frustrated end of things. So frustrated, in fact, that his decision making ability is radically impaired.
He starts to think that if he pays for drinks and dinners that she'll find him "romantic."
He starts to believe that if he compliments her or tries to impress her, that she'll be attracted and 'decide' he's a logically good choice for a boyfriend.
He starts to think that if he becomes the opposite of the "player," that will make her want him.
Tell me something... What is romantic about a guy who does nothing but kiss your a$$ all the time?
ANSWER: Nothing.
And that's what you're doing when you pander to a beautiful woman. You're giving her everything she DOESN'T want.
Are you starting to see where I'm going with this?
Women WANT players.
They WANT a man that excites and turns them on. That knows how to talk to them in challenging and exciting ways.
When I say "want," and this is the most confusing portion of the game, is that most women SAY they want one thing, and really want another. And this confuses a lot of guys.
In any social situation there are those who win because they have a strong enough belief in themselves, and those that lose because they bought into the beliefs and frame of another.
When you give a woman what she wants, she realizes that you're buying into her viewpoint and reality.
When you give a woman the gift of participating in YOUR strong reality, you will get results.
So when a woman asks you if you're a player, she's not asking that at all. She's asking you a question that is designed to smoke out the chumps who are acting all Alpha, but really have no game at all. And she smells it by your answer.
"Are you a player?" - "No, why do you say that?"
BZZZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong answer.
"Are you a player?" - "Yeah, I'm a bad mutha... let's go to my place ..." BZZZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong answer.
(Some of you might think that after what I just said that she wants a player means that you should tell her you ARE a player. WRONG again.)
It's not really that confusing to figure out what the real answer should be. Think of it this way: What is the most frustrating thing a woman does to you when you ask HER a question?
ANSWER: When she ignores you or refuses to give you a straight answer.
Read that again, and remember back to a time when this happened to you. You might have asked her something about her job, or some other dull and un-involving question. Do you remember that hollow sensation when you feel like you're being pushed aside and lowered in social status?
That you can be IGNORED?
There is nothing more powerful than a carefully placed "void of attention" - or knowing when and how to IGNORE with Alpha Power. Not to taunt her or piss her off.
When she asks you if you're a player, you ignore her and keep on playing.
You ever see an actor in a bad movie and think, Man, this dude SUCKS!
But can you imagine what an actor like Denzel Washington, or a Robert DeNiro would do with those exact same words?
These guys could weave Egyptian cotton out of horseshit - all with the power of their frame and skill with creating their own reality.
That's what a great actor does on the screen. He just embodies the belief system of that character so completely, you totally believe it.
Anyone that does anything REALLY well is just coming from a powerful belief system.
Stop being a nice guy, AFC, and start getting L A I D.
Welcome to a new year and a new way of thinking...
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Milachku:
Hey guys this is my first field report here. This happened last week just before New Years. First I would like to say that in the last little while I have noticed that I have a hard time remembering exactly what lines I used in getting #, kiss or full closes. I only remember for sure that I was comfortable with myself, in an elevated happy mood, placed no importance if I got laid or not and I always thought of myself as a catch for any woman. So my body language was always relaxed and confident throughout the whole PU.
Last night I was out at a club with a friend of mine. He's very connected and is a natural at amoging but in the end he seems to have a hard time closing the hot women. At first he didn't feel like going out because his primary was making him feel bad. I did my best to elevate his mood and this helped for both of us because he can be a funny asshole.
So I'm at the bar and behind me I see a few hotties drawing their names on a window that's been steamed up. I just look at them suspiciously and ask if they're having fun playing tic tac toe. They laugh and were quick to initiate kino.
I noticed that they already had good energy about them that felt sincere so I went easy on the cocky/funny and negs. I just threw them out when it felt natural (I guess this is why I can't remember exactly what I said). I told my target I was Greek and she was like "Oh really? That's hot!" and then she asked me to sit with her. Later on I realized that she had a Paris Hilton purse and she was a fan. LOL. I find out she's from out of town and will be here for one night only... I gotta work quick... but at the same time I felt no pressure as if it's no big deal if nothing comes from this. Just having fun.
I mentioned that I did open them by asking if they're having fun playing tic tac toe. When I was sitting down with my target, I offered a game of tic tac toe and she accepted. I won. It was fun and playful for both of us.
After some fun banter back and forth, including some palm reading, me giving points (and taking away points) for when she was being good, etc., she finally asks my name and gives me hers. I took this as a serious IOI (along with her asking to sit next to me and so forth). I've noticed that women can touch you a lot but it ain't real IOIs. At this point I assume she's attracted to me so I start to qualify her. We were talking about spending money so I asked that if we were married, would she swipe my credit card? I ask her if she is motivated to succeed in her education and life. I tell her how I feel that its important to have a passion in life separate from their profession. And she responded accordingly to all this.
We talk about relationships and she asks me if I have a girlfriend. That's when I used that cute girlfriend test that I found at www.bristollair.com - more qualifying.
I used Mystery's ''Oh you are a hand model?'' when she told me that she had done modelling. It seemed to have a neutral or almost negative effect. But I think I used it during the comfort stage which is why I got this response.
Also I used various hand kino tests such as the trust test. She would give her hands palm up and would follow my hands, but she wouldn't squeeze back if I squeezed. I tried squeezing a few times but no response so then I tried loosening my grip at times and she would usually respond by reaffirming the grip. Perhaps some chicks don't squeeze back?
At this point, one of her other cute girlfriends asks her if she wanted to come dance. She said that she'd prefer to say talking with me. That's when I saw that I had reached the proverbial hook point. I wanted to escalate knowing she would leave the next day so I expressed interest in dancing. On the dance floor she's grinding hard with me and it wasn't long before we were making out.
After a bit of this I suggested that we look for her friends around the club. I do this to make her feel comfortable and to do the whole mini venue changes within the club with her. We do so and I noticed that my friend whom I came here with still hadn't hooked up with anyone. What's worse is that upon seeing me with this other chick, he starts to amog me... and he is good at it. I figured the best way to handle this was to get him onto some chick so I just told him to cut the crap, talk to the friend of girl I kissed, and that we should be acting like we are the most best friends anyone could meet. For if he talks shit about me then it makes us both look bad. He eventually gets on with one of the friends (I had to push him into finally kissing her..) and then he proceeds to buy all of us drinks for the rest of the night.
Further that evening, I saw that my friend was playing the "I'm gay" angle so that the woman he was gaming would try to win him over. lol. I commented to the girl I was with that I had been hit on by gay guys with them telling me that a man "knows best". My girl responded simply how 'some women' are also as skilled... ; )
I'm back to making out with the girl. Doing push-pull. Telling her "that's all she gets" and stopping. Then reinitiating. Reminding her how I prefer kisses on my neck (from the GF test). She tells me that "she doesn't usually do this" and I respond "I understand" and reinitiate kissing. Then after a bit of this I tell her that we should slow it down and she agreed. So that's when I elicited her values and reflected them back to her from my own experiences. After it felt like she was really feeling comfortable around me. I resume the whole push-pull kissing thing and then I tested out Mystery's "you hijacked my brain thing" but just simplified it to how I can't get over how soft and lovely her skin is. It seemed to have a positive effect.
Last call and the club is closing. My friend suggested to the girls that we go back to their hotel to which they agreed. Interestingly, I'm not sure if I would have been as smooth as him in suggesting this. And I realized it had been good that he got on with the friend as it eliminates a possible last minute cockblock from her. And no, it didn't seem like they were bisexual with the possibility of a threesome... or maybe I just need more practice...
The whole time getting to the hotel my friend is bragging how he and I are into the whole Montreal Mafia (I'm not really into it, I just pick him up when he gets out of jail, lol) and the girls are all digging it. It's not lying, it's flirting.
We're back at the hotel and after a little more fun talk my friend takes his girl to the bathroom and I take mine to the bed and got it on. No LMR.
Total time from meet to lay was approximately 4 hours. Could have been a foolsmate, but I still followed all the conventional steps accordingly so that I could insure meeting up with her again in the future (Ottawa is about an hour and a half from Montreal) and to feel like we actually have something to talk about. She is a cool person, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten her contact info and given her mine.
p.s. there was one other friend with these girls but she hooked up with some other guy from Miami and went to his hotel.
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Rion Williams 'the sage' (rion@modelmagnet.com, www.modelmagnet.com):
Title: A Deeper look into the mechanics of attraction, success with women and what women want
Let's take a look at the game from a different angle here. Let's look at some of the reasons 'why' certain men succeed, others don't and what women really want. Because once you can get a grip on those angles, everything else will be more of a cakewalk.
I operate in a different paradigm (frame of reference/beliefs) than most pick up artists and I think through time that will become more evident..but I have a lot of insight that is already getting people to talk. No matter your own personal style, no matter any successful man's own (independent) 'style' of dealing with women it all boils down to his (natural/universal/sexual) character and ability to create attraction and follow through. Everyone's different...don't even compare techniques, philosophies, personalities, hairstyles, etc. and try to say 'that's it' unless you know the foundational truth in that each man has his own different traits, looks and personality (his independent character). If all women were interested in was who YOU were as a man...a lot of guys would be having problems and things would be even more screwed up than they are now....(actually the 'great' guys WOULD be getting laid easily and it'd be worse for the rest). Today with women and men there is a massive incongruency that is going on. Women are saying 'where are all the real men' and men are wondering what's wrong with the women. Your ability to understand the actual truth of attraction and what women want will lead to your greatest power of leverage in changing and becoming massively successful with the women you desire as long as you integrate and apply some universal concepts. I want to let you in on a little angle here that is about the most profound outlook you can get on the whole issue of what matters most in countless peoples lives (perhaps yours)...and it means everything. I understood the universal concepts when it hit me, but it's only sinking in much deeper to me (and then of course hopefully to you as you begin to understand the truth): When a woman looks at and judges you, she's not judging you. When you look at a hot ass woman and instantly approve of her, you're not judging 'her'. How's that for some wisdom from the Sage? That just seems counter-counter-counter-intuitive but let me go further and explain (keeping it simple). We all have ideals and expectations and many of them are strongly influenced by our social and cultural environment..even our race. What happens is when you see a woman, you are placing YOUR very own set of ideals, expectations, history and influences onto her; basically she is only a perception or reflection of your inner self. You DON'T know her; it's virtually impossible without connecting (and even then do you really deeply 'know' most of your friends?).
The same thing happens with women. When they see a man and either approve or disapprove of him socially just by looking at him, they DON'T know him yet but so often a woman will make up her mind right then and there to disapprove of a man (without knowing him) or whether she'll be open to sleeping with him that same night.
This issue gets deeper when involving the socially influenced artifacts but I want to keep it as simple as possible right now. Let me reiterate the main point I'm getting across here... you know when you see woman you like, right? Admit it. Me...I'll still make all kinds of comments about what women are wearing that make them look sexy when watching movies or even in public (in my thoughts...it's inevitable and irrepressible). What's happening is I'm not judging THEM as far as who they are...I'm just seeing an object or essentially a figment of my own internal beliefs.
Women and their sexuality is so amplified and glorified today that even preachers have a hard time NOT being distracted by them the level that it's at today.
The objectification issue is larger than I'm going to discuss in this email but this is what's going on. Feminazi's can say what they want but women are objectified throughout our society and in fact, their objectification is absolutely glorified. This is the source of their power...their beauty (it's where it all started back when they were able to wear skirts that started to show some skin).
You don't have to feel GUILTY about your own internal responses to female beauty. But the point again here is that you don't know her yet.
Think of the times when you just have to say 'damn girl' when looking at a hot, sexy woman. This is very real (and how you deal with it determines just about everything (stemming from your character and your habitual behavior anyways). What I'm saying here to hopefully make this clearer (this is a hugely universal topic) is that in the character continuum there are separations between the natural/universal, independent and social/interdependent aspects of your character (yet they blend together interdependently). This means that when you 'objectify' or undeniably respond to a woman who is a 10, you are essentially operating out of your own universal/natural character in response to what you desire the most (and what will propagate life best for you and your offspring); her beauty (for attraction/sex purposes..all that
matters to a man). You're not looking at her independent character because you don't even know her; it's all a reflection of yourself and your own masculine natural/sexual ideals (different than feminine). Likewise, when a woman judges men (she has to in order to protect herself and filter out those who won't fill her universal desires) she is not judging your independent character in it's entirely.
This would be impossible for her to do because she doesn't even know you. So in reparation of past damages, you can look at the reality of what's really going on and see that a woman is not judging YOU or your own personality/character because she doesn't even know you) but rather extrapolating your potential for being
a potential mating partner... basically your level of character of the natural/universal scale. Your own personality, quirks, cocky funny (or not) is ALL part of your own independent personality. Millions of guys are taking it PERSONALLY when a woman will reject them without her even getting to know him. Instead if all of these guys could just raise their own natural/universal character (which they are born with) and understand their own masculinity and place in the world and life-giving power and embrace it, they would be infinitely more attractive to women because this is what women are looking for anyways. A woman isn't judging YOU, she is seeing a reflection of herself
and HER desires for what she wants foremost (a man of high universal/natural character). It's this 'CHARACTERISTIC' of the high character man that they talk about and know they respond to. It's the 'characteristic' of having the power of the universal/natural character and leverage on your side (which has been covered up by our societies so don't feel sorry about that, just fix it). Having the characteristic of being a high character natural/universal man who is comfortable in his own skin, knows his place in the world, is fearless of women and can take her places without being thrown off by her social approval or desirability; THIS is irresistible and in high demand by women.
Yes there is a lot of social influence where it seems that they would only be attracted to high status, rich guys but beneath it all, the paradigm of natural attraction is more powerful than ever. Once you understand all of this and ingratiate it into your belief system, you'll be able to see that it's not you that women are rejecting...they're just seeing an extension of themselves and that maybe in general you just weren't high enough in character on the part that is bigger than yourself anyways (your natural/universal character). So you can put aside those thoughts of she is rejecting you personally. And when you are looking at women and judging her...you don't know her yet either. Ironically enough and the way biology kind of goes is that you don't have to know her enough as she wants to know your character. You want and desire her beauty to develop healthy strong offspring and she wants your strong (natural/universal and THEN independent personality/character) in order to provide for a strong and healthy family (long term) and being able to fulfill her sexually. Of course the higher your character across the board, the more desirable of a catch you will be to all women (including socially desirable).
So it comes down to both men AND women are primarily making their (attraction) decisions (including who they sleep with) out of their natural/universal (and even social/status approval) reflection of their OWN character. And they are making these decisions almost completely independent of that person's own character or personality. Essentially both men and women are extremely selfish...seeing and 'approving' things of which they are interested in the most. It's no more wrong to be desirable of hot, sexy women than it is for a woman to want a high character man (who may be in high demand by other women). Can I getta whoop whoop!?! Don't ever feel sorry for desiring beauty. Women aren't ashamed of desiring a high character man (esp. a man high in the natural/universal realm which is greater than his own personality
anyways). That's the balance. And when people are meeting each other or seeing each other for the first time, they are only matching up their own natural/sexual expectations (and social expectations) with much less focus on that person's independent traits.
If you're not picking this up yet, apologies but you might want to re-read this again but it IS very advanced and profound. The depth of it is blowing me away as I write this because no one I have ever heard has come anywhere close to explaining this level of truth (so I hope you're getting something here!). Remember that the universal/natural DESIRES in a woman stem greater than your own independent character as a man because she doesn't know you yet (this will be further reinforced and you're in like Flynn when you're independent character is strong like your natural).
So when a woman is giving you the EYE and is deeply drawn to you...it's actually just as selfish as it is for you to be interested in women and looking at them sexually; it's the irreverent equivalent. She's looking out for herself and her future and hoping you'll start something (huge topic covered in model magnet). But please try and separate out the components of the spectrum and learn that a woman is only judging you off of her own ideals. Don't try to 'prove her right' with your own independent personality
if you're really just lacking in the natural/universal and not in touch with that power and fearlessness because you'll only embarrass yourself.
Also, don't take it personally if they reject you when talking (sorry that's another topic alone) with you. Just work on your own natural/universal understanding and intake that leverage and power (which is greater than the greatest of any single man in history) and make it a part of your character to attract those selfish women and give
them what they want.
And then it's all so easy. And ANY man can become a model magnet no matter his current social status or looks purely based on accepting the (now) rare natural/universal/sexual character and integrating it into his life. It's 1000 times more important than any pick up line and besides women KNOW attraction and their body will speak for them when they meet a man of high natural/universal character (despite his personality...he could be a jerk, a real catch, a Trekkie, etc.) and this power is greater than HER own independent personality, logic or group of high status girlfriends.
It's biology. It's what keeps her future alive. So are you going to understand, differentiate and embrace the power which is greater than social status, fame, power,
money or good looks? This ability is yours to take as a man. It can get you laid 1,000 times over. You can respectfully give those hottest of the hot, selfish (and intelligent, desirable) women what they want; a real man who has grown and embraced his true destiny and purpose in being a man so that she can feel the fulfillment
and feelings you can give her. In her mind: "I just don't know what it is about him...."
Your universal/natural character is more important than you yourself (or any man). You are limited...embrace the larger power to give women what they want by encapsulating and 'being' that desire. It's your m.m. character and if you can display and truly HAVE the characteristics of a high character man (esp. on the
universal/natural aspect) you will start seeing amazing changes in your life. Are you going to embrace this natural and inherent RIGHT? It seems like a long path but because the leverage is already in your favor (every man has this ability), you just have to recognize it and wipe the mud off the windshield and you'll get where you're
going faster. Women are selfishly looking for an ideal and they cannot continue procreation (and sex) without men in the world; those men of high natural character (despite their own personal flaws). They will often settle for the closest thing they can find to a man of high 'character' in integrity and congruency to himself and his place in the world (that's why they go for the bad boys). You see, you're not the problem at all if you separate your independent character from what she is judging (she DOESN'T know you yet) and you can throw away the pangs of rejection as well. Just work on your natural character and regaining touch with your masculinity in place in the world so you're not as confused and frustrated anymore and then who you are as a man will be much stronger and you'll be comfortable around all people (esp. beautiful women).
Then the words to say won't even matter because just about anything can work; you'll be in touch with the nonverbal level of communication that women are so adept at and you will start to realize and see things on a whole new level. You'll even KNOW when she's giving signals so that it's ok for you to approach and you can't get rejected ever by doing things that I recommend when you're fully into it.
Props to Brent for clarifying the thing I have been doing for a long time (accelerated mating program is what I call it: AMP) by being direct and upfront about who you are and what you expect. In fact, often I don't even speak it because it just happens and is so natural (this was with international women)...the real challenge is independent/empowered, sassy women. But it's all the same once you break right through their pussy force fields, she's got universal desires she can't repress, just waiting for a man who comes closest. Most guys are so thrown off by her pussy trance energy that anything they say won't work...this denies the natural paradigm and thus she can't go for him. I can now deal with the most beautiful women in the world without ever letting them throw me off. Any man can have that fearless and respect for her (and himself). As far as AMP.. Only the congruent and natural can pull that off very effectively but first you must work on your own character continuum to become desirable in women's eyes (makes everything so much easier) and it doesn't take that long either once you integrate a wider belief system into your lifestyle.
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LAIR SECTION (Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at www.bristollair.com, as well as at www.seductionlair.com:
A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: groups.yahoo.com/RunningaPUAgroup/
HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Sunday January 29 at 8 pm is the next Lair meeting. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings.
The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.
Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):
MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.
THE TORONTO LAIR
The Greater Toronto Area Lair Goes by the acronym for TOronto PUAS (TOPS) and has been going from success to success lately. There have been great talks by local PUAs who are regulars on Clifford's list, great outings, and membership continues to grow.
TOPs is open to men (and women) at all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist. Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know - and a commitment to test what you learn in the real world.
To join the Lair, send a request to: TO_Lair-owner@yahoogroups.com
If you have questions, you can contact the TOPS President, Smooth (cdnglenn@yahoo.ca) or TOPS Webmaster, Pluvio (pluvio69@yahoo.com)
Vancouver Social Board
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/">Yahoo Group ( groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/"> groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ )
Contact Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.
EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/
ISRAEL LAIR:
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to www.tironut69.com/"> www.tironut69.com
DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
A new lair is starting up in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus will be regularly going out and working in the field. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuingthe PUA lifestyle; email Matt on moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to SARGE regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
SALT LAKE AREA SEDUCTION LAIR
We are an expanding group of guys that are into the material by David DeAngelo and his Dating Gurus, of DYD. And we want to use this group to get/give advice, to share experiences and the results. And to meet up with other guys, so we can go out and work on our game together. A group that is more than just pick up lines, but wants to challenge their inner/outter game, etc... For info, contact LOVEStobeHATED@aol.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
NEW DALLAS LAIR FORMED
Dimitry has started the Dallas Wingman Meetup Group, a Dallas-Metro Seduction Lair
Website: wingman.meetup.com/6/
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich lair has been setup for RAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR: New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ www.nyclair.com/">www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We SARGE regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com/"> www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit www.indialair.com/"> www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & SARGE, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and SARGE 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ATLANTA:
I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will SARGE from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous SARGE outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR: New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com HOUSTON:
www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au
Melbourne Lair: The place, an open shopping center in the heart of the city. I sit down at the food court and wait for familiar faces to arrive. I picked the location of this months meeting of the Melbourne Lair, Its great to have it in an informal place like a food court, sets a nice relaxing mood. Once everybody arrives we push some tables together and start the meeting. We discuss peoples sticking points and offer suggestions, we tell stories of crash and burns and success stories. We just shoot the sh*t, it f*cking great to meet up with like minded people. While telling someone my smurf routine, I see two guys get up from the table and start walking away, I glance back later to see them sitting with a girl, these guys are approach machines.
The meeting goes on way too f*cking long, everybody's got a story to tell, advice to offer, we could talk to each other for days. I feel like this is Ocean's 11 and we are planning the big heist. There is the leader, he started the group. The guru, he's an encyclopedia of info. There is the joker, he can't stop negging and teasing everyone; f*cking Canadians. There's the approach machines, they can't follow the conversation because they are too busy following the nearest piece of ass. There is the SSer, the grease boy and of course Brad Pitt. We all exchange numbers before leaving and make plans for sarging during the week. If there is a Lair in your area, join it, if there isn't, start one of your own. You will not regret it.
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who SARGE regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.mysterymethod.com/"> www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!
The first 2006 seminar is scheduled for LA, Jan 20, 21, 22. Look for more details soon, or call Dr. Yates at 903-482-1034. Price is $1,195. This seminar is ONLY open to those who own a Speed Seduction Home Study Course so you better hop on line and buy one now if you don't already have one and plan on attending.
Speed Seduction Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
Los Angeles, CA January 20, 21, 22
Los Angeles, CA March 10, 11, 12
London, England September 15, 16, 17
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
Hawaii (Location - Tentative) October 22 thru 26
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England Sept 8, 9, 10
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Major Mark (www.trucor.com):
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality
A home study course by David Shade www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out at www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> www.alphalover.com . Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> www.alphalover.com
"The Seduction End-Game"
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Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer (www.seduceandconquer.com) CD disks present Payton's unique, dynamic style of meeting and seducing women. His methods are very natural and are the epitome of the original advice you get - tease and take away, play hard to get, etc. Definitely worth checking out, but not for everyone.
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Due to popular demand , Learn from the resident Sexpert How to be Outrageously Successful With the Opposite Sex and How to naturally let the game come to you. An intensive 1 on 1 personalized bootcamp taught to you by the East Coast's #1 Personal Dating Coach and Mentor. For more info go to www.youaresoinmyway.com
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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on SARGEs, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (Inactive Site)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing sh*t tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
amog tactics (the amog handshake, group set amog destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good s*ex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.badboylifestyle.com/"> www.badboylifestyle.com
You can book your workshop on: www.badboylifestyle.com/?badboy=workshops
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Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
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