2004/11/11

I got her to come over to ClubGuru

Why a guru master feels like the hottest girl in Montreal.

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Oct. something 2004

Things got pretty out of hand with my primary, and she started acting bratty in the extreme. Then she dumped me, and it sucked. I'm usually seeing 2-5 others, so it's not the end of the world, but still. It's a sign that I still have a long way to go. She knows about them, but somehow or other it hasn't sunk in. She is totally in denial.

Here's how I woke up and turned it all around. First, I lowered my emotional response to her. Hard to think straight when you're "in love". I wrote down ten intensely good memories that I shared with her on one side and ten negative experiences on the other side.

Then I ran the good ten memories in my mind, as if they were movies, seeing myself out there, disassociated. Next, I ran the ten bad memories, associated this time and brought the memories up close, feeling as much of the pain as possible.

The idea behind this is that when we're 'in love', we tend to set Look up this term aside the bad and focus on the good, and when we fall out of love, we reverse the process.

Anyway, I strongly suggest using this shit to get a handle on one-itis issues and the like. It's a trick I learned from Bandler. It really changed my emotional response to this girl like nothing else. It took only ten minutes, and it was better than beer.

So once I got my emotions together, I decided that I still wanted this girl, if for no other reason than for sport. Also, her leaving is just a statement about my game. I made some mistakes, let's see if we can't correct them.

As soon as she broke up with me, I took the stance that if she's unhappy/unfulfilled, then she owes it to herself to find happiness. And I owe it to myself to be with somebody chill.

I also stopped calling her. After five days, she ran back crying and sorry and everything. My mistake was that I let her back in too quickly. A week later she bailed again. Hmm...

I let her go, of course, and decided to bust out the big weapon. I hate to have to do this to girls. I went to a coffee shop, got there before her, picked up a cute 19 year old, and had her number close me just as my primary shows up. Perfect.

We get to my place, and there's a message from the 19 year old, suggesting food she could make me. She was really into me, chasing hard. Sweet.

Primary asks, "Are you going to see her?" I'm going to do a lot more than just look at her, babyface.

Then I call up the 19 year old and set Look up this term the date for the next day, in front of her.

HAAha, that's her calling now (my Primary) as I type this, brb...

She's coming over. Too funny.

Anyway, so she pretends to not care and shows no jealousy until the bitter end. She spends the night, and I fuck her on camera that night, something she wouldn't do for the last six months. The next day, she helps me to get ready for my date. She plays pretty hard, acting indifferent.

Then, just as it's time for her to leave, she asks me to walk her halfway home. I'm like, no.

She freaks, and starts getting all hysterical, saying she's leaving and never coming back. I'm like, "don't trip on the way out." She slams the door and leaves. Two minutes later, she runs back in, apologies, hugs, kisses. I accept her apology. Then she actually says, "So... can you walk me home now?" : )

I start laughing and saying she's like the Energizer Bunny, and hug her. She freaks and has another temper tantrum. I walk over to the front door, open it, and say, "time to go". She leaves, angry.

She actually had her period like seven days early that night, I wonder if it's because she knew now finally that I'm fucking a younger, hotter girl. I'm no doctor, but she is on the pill, so why else would this happen? Isn't something like this mostly stress related? Ross?

Two days later, she calls and says that she doesn't know why, but she's so fucking attracted to me, and cannot get me out of her head. I'm like, "That's right, and the more you try to deny it to yourself, the stronger it gets, doesn't it?"

She tries to make plans with me but I'm like, "not tonight". I fucked a DIFFERENT 19 year old that night as well, it's been a great week! Next day, she says she had this dream in which we were in love, madly in love, and how wonderful it made her feel. And now she's coming over. Should be interesting. What lengths will she go to to try and take control back?

Halloween party report, by a local pick-up guru

Went to this so-so Halloween party, there were only a few hot girls, the rest were seven's and low-level 8's. But these days, man, all I really need is one or two set Look up this term s to have a full night.

Before the party, we got together in the guru's kingdom, and this try-really-hard-to-be-alpha dude shows up, a fuckin' Alpha-hole, and starts busting everybody's balls, and I'm like, "Dude, where are the girls?"

To me, you don't have to act all c&f Look up this term and shit and act like I'm your best friend and you know me and can own me UNLESS there's actual chicks in the room and you need to divert the attention back to yourself to continue running your set.

Anyway, Primary and friend show up to paint a star on my face, because it's Halloween. I kick everybody out of my room except for the girls and my friend B. I don't want any shit from Alpha-hole & co.

B starts making jokes and qualifying himself to the girls like a total dork so I mention the time and dismiss the girls. I'm lovin that line, "OK girls, time to go. You're dismissed."

They wanted me to come to their party but "I'm going to a better one" (I hope.) My party was a college ten dollar all you can drink party.

We get in the car and Alpha-hole has center stage and my stomach feels not so great. We finally find the party and go inside and it's just this huge crowd of 18-22 year olds, just starting to get hammered. My stomach hurts, and for some reason I'm nervous and really feeling the social pressure starting to cave in on me, all at once. I went outside, in the rain, and found a sheltered area. I felt like a heroin addict coughing out the last pangs of AFC-ness.

Like I actually had to leave the party to compose myself.

I compose myself for ten minutes and go back to the party, and there she is. This girl has it all according to my winter girlfriend criteria. She has the little, skinny perfect body, the pouty lips, super-intense eye contact used to scare and control men, which I busted on her for trying to use her all-powerful stares on me to try to seduce me, she's got it all and she's 18 to boot. 11 years younger that me.

Anyway, she's standing there with this tall good looking dude, which is perfect since I am much more interested in guy girl set Look up this term s anyway, and I can't think of anything so I just go straight into "who lies more" opener and they are floored. I mean floored. The girl is all over me in an instant, asking her twenty questions. Funny how that happens, once you attract them strongly enough they freak and start screaming questions and grabbing you, as in HOW OLD ARE YOU??? WAIT ONE MINUTE, ARE YOU A GEMINI?? WHERE ARE YOU FROM???

I'm starting to get this reaction, this "I have to get to know you NOW" stuff, and girls can be very pushy and aggressive and it's so fun to shush them and make them fight to get the info.

I have this webcam that I use to work on my delivery so my body language is much improved. I'm as tight as Seinfeld, at least that's how I feel now due to practice. I'm A LOT slower and smoother now, and my voice is getting there. Amazing how just a little practice can give you such an edge.

I practice saying out loud sentences like, "Twenty dwarves took turns doing handstands on the carpet. Twenty dwarves took turns doing handstands on the carpet. Twenty dwarves took turns..." over and over to train my voice.

Anyway, HB18 said she was bi and we got to talking about costumes and she pointed to this girl and we agreed that she was hot and so I asked if she'd like to meet her. She blushed and asked if I knew her. I smiled and walked over and opened her set Look up this term (another guy-girl set, perfect) and the new girl was very into me. After a few minutes I looked back over to HB18 to find her standing there looking at me like I was food. I just smiled and said "You KNOW I'm going to see you later" and walked off.

Whew. I can't believe 20 minutes ago I was all anxious. I just ran two super-smooth tight as fuck set Look up this term s, and might have found my new WinterGF/teenager. So I grab a free drink and head over to the smoking room. As DavidX says, "If she smokes, she fucks." I see this girl dressed as Wilma Flintstone so I open her with, "You look like Wilma/porn star." She digs me but she's a low-level seven. I turn around and see this German girl just sitting there bored, and I really like German girls so I open her and NOTHING. I run more game and she is polite at best. So I grab her wrist gently and go "I'm just taking your pulse, you haven't been laughing enough" she giggles and looks over at this dude as if to say "I'm sorry but there's nothing I can do" Ah, it's her BF Look up this term . I chat the guy up, tell some jokes, and he opens up to me. I leave to go hang with my friends.

While with friends, Alpha-hole is getting under my skin with all of his macho shit, so I start charming him, and setting the frame that he's good with women and could I please wing Look up this term with him. He accepts my proposal. So I start picking out sets, and he's like, "NAH". Like no girl was good enough. Finally, I spot these two SMOKING HOTTIES sittng on a couch with this cool guy, obviously a player. I say to Alpha-hole, "Man, I'd sure like to fuck those two." He's like, "Yeah man, they're hot". I'm like, "You go first."

Well he couldn't do it, so I said "Just listen and follow along with what I say." I maintain eye-contact with him and slowly lead him over to the set Look up this term . I want it to look like I'm having a really good conversation with this guy, when in reality I'm telling him over and over to follow my lead. When it looks like we're just two cool guys talking, and we're close to the set I turn to them and go, "Hey guys, let me get your opinion on this, who lies more men or women?"

The girls hit FULL buying temp and start shouting "WOMEN, IT'S WOMEN" I just stand there looking at the dude like "Man, how do you put up with these girls" and wait for them to calm down. Meanwhile my friend, Alpha-hole, is smiling like, "WHO are you??" The girls calm down and I go, "I think guys lie more, but about little things like how much money they make, how they don't go to strip clubs, etc, but with women it's always HUGE lies, like (here I hold out my arms like I'm holding a baby) "This is your baby". The girls CRACK UP and start shrieking, and start with their 20 fucking questions. I look over and smile at Alpha-hole, and look at him like, "C'MON man, show me, take over this set Look up this term dude". He smirks at me and slinks away. I continue the set and notice that HB18 is watching me. I wink and turn back to my set.

Most of the guys I've seen who use this opener don't realize that it's actually a Chris Rock stand up routine with a very good punch line. The baby joke at the end really cracks people up.

Now the guy in that set Look up this term really felt the loss of attention from his girls and was starting to get cocky. I asked "How do you all know each other?" and he goes, "Bro, these are my girls". They had their arms around him the whole time, and he was definitely a player. These girls really liked him, but one of them really was with him and the other one wasn't, so I just qualified her a bit and got the hell out of there. HB18 was watching me from the corner of her eye anyway, and this set Look up this term was solely for the purpose of teaching Alpha-hole not to condescend me.

I walk up to HB18, stick out my hand, she grabs on and we go outside on the back porch. There are people there, but its still quieter so I can do my thing. I decide to use Evolution Phase Shift Kiss Close right off the bat, because I wanted to see what would happen. We kissed a bit but she was very hesitant, it was too fast, so I said, "Hey, shhhh, it's okay" kissed a bit more but then stopped right away. I could see that she was attracted but nervous. I ran trust-test, tension test, we got to know each other, it was very, very ON. I then told her I had to go to the bathroom and also that I had to get back to my friends.

On my way to the bathroom, the German girl with the boyfriend sees, me, gets all excited and comes over. The BF Look up this term follows her of course. NOW she is into me. It's as if the BF gave her permission to let her buying temp spike in my presence. Weird how she went from barely having a pulse to crawling all over me. I chat them a bit and go for a piss. When I come out, HB 18 is waiting for me, and invites me over to her place. The problem? Her guy friend is coming, as well as this other girl I haven't met. So I talk to my friends and make her wait a little bit. My friend B. is down with this plan, so we all get into his car.

I of course get into the back seat with the girls, and the new girl is all over me, drunk, and loud. HB18 is pissed and tells me that her sister is going to wake up if we go in. It's now 4 am and so I agree that we should just smoke a joint in the car instead.

We smoke and the girls are talking to each other and I'm just half-listening. They got into a fight over me, but not one you could really detect. Hard to explain, all I know is they stopped talking to each other, and the new girl started cuddling and sleeping on my shoulder. I just grabbed HB18's hand and looked at her like, "Don't worry."

After that though, the vibe got weird, so I looked at her and said, "You're such a DORK". Funny, she LOVED this and started blushing and looking at me like I truly, truly understood who she really was deep down. This one move is what sealed the deal, IMHO. She just went on and on about it. Anyway, the bad news is that her guy friend was already set Look up this term to sleep over at her house. I wonder if she didn't just go home and fuck him because of the high buying temp I created. Every PUA has been burned by this, and I usually just assume the worst to avoid being disappointed.

Anyway, she kept saying she wanted my number, to which I kept replying, "Yeah cool, so anyway..." and continuing. Finally she had to go and she's like, "GIVE ME YOUR NUMBER" and I'm like, "You've been drinking all night, are you certain you'll remember me when I call?" Haha, she got frustrated, got out of the car, and to be honest it looked like I overdid it. I thought I blew myself out. Then she tells my friend B. to take down her number and to make sure that I call her.

FUCK, he took the number but didn't get her name. Now I'm going to have to ask her, "How do you spell your name properly" and hope she doesn't catch me! Fuck it I will call her now, BRB...

So I called, and it was her sister, "EMMA" we'll call her. She answered and I just went into "Hey this is the guru, from the Halloween party" and she was like, "UHHH, I don't know, this is EMMA" to which I replied, "OH, uh, can I talk to your sister, haa" and she laughed and started using c&f Look up this term on me it was great. She took down my name and I was like, "Shit, you can spell girl" and she laughed and the vibe was very good. I know now that she'll be cool when I come over and we'll all be one big happy family. I hope she calls soon.

Fuck while typing this FR Look up this term two of my girls called to invite me over. This is my fucking life now. I feel like I've graduated. I told them both that I was staying home tonight because my cock needs a rest. They both laughed very hard at this, but I'm not joking. Things are about to get crazy in my life now, I can feel it. I'm now sleeping with a married 27 year old who is a 9, my Primary who is 23, another girl who is 27, has a kid, and wants to marry me, yet she knows she can't tame me and is perfectly happy to be getting it once a week, two 19 year olds (actually I think I lost one but who cares), and soon HB18, who destroys all of these girls and is almost perfect. SWEET!

I talked about my primary last report, and I'm happy to say the situation has turned around. She know's I fuck other women FOR SURE now, calls me every day, is sweeter that honey, and behaving herself like a good GF Look up this term should. LOVE the game.

**UPDATE on HB18!!

I called, spoke to her sister, and left my name & number. The next day, HB18 called TWICE and even left a message saying she is looking forward to seeing me again. I called her just now and she was so happy to hear from me, saying that she was just about to call me again, and now she is taking me out to dinner and paying. I'll keep you guys posted. I'm not even going to try to lay her, I mean if it happens, great, if not, I know it will and I just got laid this morning anyhow. I don't use 'freeze out shit on girls to lay them anymore because I don't want buyer's remorse. I'd rather just let them attack me.

We were talking and it turns out her father used to beat the shit out of her. This, to me, explains why she likes the hard-to-get act, and the fact that I'm obviously a hard core player. Why? Because I'm fun, getting laid already, and so obviously won't pressure her or fly off the handle (because I could care less). As TD would say, I have sub communicated to her that I won't take any of her emotional outbursts too seriously.

The Primary has really changed her attitude and is in love like never before (because I'm sleeping with other women). She is doing everything to please me and even gave me my number one fantasy last night -- She gave me a BJ on camera, moneyshot included. She lapped up every drop, just like a dirty-slut cum-guzzling porn star. YUMMY : ) I have always wanted to do that!

I went out for breakfast with Primary today and picked up/number closed two waitresses right in front of her. She didn't complain, in fact, it turned her on so much she skipped class to fuck me. You should have seen it man, first I teased waitress1 about the eggs, made her take them back, then as I was paying my bill she spilled some water so I said, "You're such a KLUTZ. But don't worry, keep working hard and someday you'll be a good waitress, I promise." She and waitress2 BUSTED out laughing, so I turned around and smiled at my primary. They ALL started to freak and bust my balls (because I'm so confidently indifferent). I just ignored them and went, "OK, you're both single aren't you? (YES) Which one of you is the better cook?? (I AM! I AM!) Well, there's only one way to find out who it is, so I'll take both your numbers. (They were laughing really hard at this, so I handed them a pen and they giggled and girl coded each other and wrote the numbers down. Waitress2 hesitated so I pointed to my primary and said, "Don't worry, she swings both ways" (Thanks Brian)

My game has EXPLODED since I listened to the DYD Look up this term Interview with Brian. You guys should get it. Peace.

Nov 5 - 2004

I had quite a date with HB18. It lasted for 72 hours straight. I'm the luckiest bastard alive, and extremely tired as I write this...

This girl is the most incredibly beautiful girl I've ever been with. She looked twice as good as when I met her. To me, this girl is an 11 man. Just the way *I* like 'em: 5ft'1, 105lbs, creamy skin, Angelina Jolie's eyebrows, eyes, nose and lips (well, almost) and Catherine Zeta Jones cheeks and the most perfect ass in MONTREAL. This girl is so fucking gorgeous, and *18* to boot. Eleven years younger than me. Man I laughed so hard when she told me her birth date was in 1986 : )

Last night when I was watching her sleep, I was freaking out guys. She is in love with me. What an attractive quality that is. Hehe, we spent the whole first night laughing until we were both pissing our pants. Apart from her looks, we actually vibe together so well. I've never had a better date, I love the game. I really love this girl, she's amazing.

Anyway, here's the report.

I meet her for coffee. Her sister, who is a nine and looks like Julie Delpy and is extremely protective of her sister. When I was introduced, she didn't even shake my hand. I just said, "That's okay, whenever you feel ready." Like I just accepted it, in a confident manner, and the next day she was open and friendly with me. HB18 really seemed to appreciate that I could handle her sister. She's a 21 year old model, and very catty.

Went for a walk with HB18 in the city, stopped at bar1 for a drink, got to know each other, teased, I played with the bartender and locals a little, then we left and went to bar2, which had a fireplace for us to sit in front of. I've never met a girl who can keep up the eye contact like this girl. The sexual tension was at a very comfortable high. It was fucking on, like most of my day2's and when I leaned in to kiss her she turned her head away. I've never had a girl turn away when it's on like that, and I value her more for it. I find when girls tumble too fast it just validates my ego.

I didn't "punish" her by getting distracted or anything, I just took it as a sign that she really, really needs trust. I have a trust establishment routine that is so fucking money, so it's okay. It's a true story, and I won't type it all out but it comes down to me being 18 and advertising myself as a psychotherapist and being unable to help this schizophrenic lady and having to deal with seeing her and her husband crying because the men in white coats were taking her away for good. I was their last hope. Anyway, there's a lot more to it but while I'm telling it I cry. I don't mean blowing snot everywhere crying, just enough to establish complete and utter 100% trust which this routine always does.

I'm a very good actor and can cry on cue. Timed properly, and only to be used on certain girls who are scared of getting hurt/need trust. Needless to say, she was all over me with total abandon after that. She was my girlfriend at this point, I would say. Keep in mind that I'm also teasing the shit out of her, qualifying her on every fucking thing possible, right down to the toenails. When I qualify girls, I love to completely overdo it and be the pickiest man on the planet. They get into this.

I got her to come over to ClubGuru for a sleepover the same way I always do. First, I make no mention of wanting her to come over whatsoever until the very last moment. And then I wait just a little more. That's when I hit them with something like, "OK FINE... Look, you can come over if you promise not to put any sexual pressure on me in any way. The last few girls have just completely attacked me when we got home and I'm not into that." Delivered congruently, this line has been working for me all summer. I love this role-reversal shit, acting like I'm the hot chick. I'm the fucking hottest chick in MONTREAL.

We went to my place, and watched "Complaints and grievances" by George Carlin and pissed our pants laughing and cuddling in my 4000$ bed. Did I mention I made her put on a Japanese Kimono, this beautiful garment I tell girls to put on when they come over. They like this, and all wonder if I make all my girls wear it or what. I never answer. (Actually, a lot don't even ask, but I can see them wondering.) I tell them how beautiful they look in it. They get into this.

BTW, I really like TD's compliment, "You pay attention to detail, I like that". Say it when they make any comment about you, positive or negative. What happens if they are into you is that they start doing it more and more and pointing it out to impress you. The response is so cute to watch. They start noticing all these subtleties about you, which is what people who are falling in love do. You just start noticing stuff about this person. Fucking GOLD, bros.

I finally found a solution to when **I** hit full buying temp and want to just smother them with compliments/sexual advances. Always been a huge sticking point for me, controlling my passion. Funny, the solution has always been right in front of me. What I do is use mixed communication/accusations. Let's say a girl does something and it very noticeably makes you horny/wanting them badly (girls can see you hit buying temp very easily), I will verbally say something like "You're so attracted to me" or even "I make your clitty tingle" while my NON-verbals are busy screaming "I want you so bad it hurts". Anyway, more pure gold. If they go, "What??" just go "you heard me." and maintain eye-contact.

BTW maintaining eye-contact is one of the hugest most important aspects of the game. So many guys have asked me how do I act "so well" or how do I say some of this shit so congruently, and to me, the answer is always the same: MAINTAIN EYE CONTACT, HARDER THAN THEY DO. If they challenge you by returning the eye-contact in a challenging way, I just smile and shift to a sexual state. It makes them wet.

I can't believe nobody is using DavidX's money-ass line, "I'll tell you later in bed" (When they ask what you do for a living or how old are you or any question that could and should IMO be considered PERSONAL and shallow of her to screen you on. Why should age and money matter??? It doesn't. Don't get into a DEBATE with them about this (I can just see newbies reading this going, "Why do you care, it's personal, you can't make me tell you, etc. and putting the girl in a negative state).

Geoff:

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Ok, so here’s the low down. It’s about 2:15 AM on the Sunset Strip, and everything is winding down. Tyler, The Merovingian, and myself are walking the students to the Mansion after bootcamp. We’re still opening set Look up this term s, and then I see this two set of a 9, an 8, and an AMOG leaving the Skybar. This group was moving fast to a taxi like they had an agenda. I tap the 9 on the shoulder and say, “Hey, maybe you can settle something, my niece just got these two little dogs…”, and instantly, the 9 says, “No, get away, what type of stupid question is that…I don't care about those dogs.”

She walks away with her group. They walk up to the sidewalk, leaving me behind. I can hear the AMOG Look up this term laughing at me and saying, “What’s up with these guys…shooting all these lines at you.” The 9 then tells her friends and everyone else who would listen in a very loud and obnoxious tone of voice, “This guy over there is asking me some lame question about his dog. What is this lame guy doing?” It felt almost like she was trying to publicly humiliate me. Probably, one of the worse blow-offs ever.

The students were watching this, and one of them told me that I looked away in disgust and then my pupils turned a glowing, fiery red the moment she started her tantrum. I sprint up the sidewalk where the group is and reengage the 9, shouting at her in a disgusted tone of voice, “Hey, what the fuck are you doing. All I'm trying to do is ask a quick opinion on something, and you walk away like a little bitch. What the fuck is up with that?” According to eye-witness accounts from students, I was even jabbing my finger at her in a condescending manner to make sure that the point was driven home. I can see her social value dropping with each passing moment, and then I turn to AMOG Look up this term and say, “Is she always like this?”

Whenever I'm saying this, my voice is one of disgust because I've been in this situation so many times before. I'm also very loud, so everyone can hear me. There’s a lot of social pressure on this girl, and she apologizes for her rudeness and tells me she'll answer my question. I say, “You and I would not get along…we’re too similar…you, you wouldn't take my shit, and I, I wouldn't take yours….and we would fight all the time.” I smack my hands very loud to make my point clear.

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Tyler has been holding the 8 for this entire time, and even physically grabbing her arm, telling her that she had to stay. I know that without Tyler, the set Look up this term would not have stayed because the 8 was a drag-away girl. There were no taxis, and the group heads inside and invites Tyler and myself to go with them. We’re chatting having a good time on the way in, and we’re teasing the girls in the elevator. The AMOG has since quieted down. We take the elevator up, and we get to their room. I look at the 9, and tell her, “Don't like that…my mom looks at me like that.” I close physical space with my girl, and I realize that she’s open for the kiss.

I go for it, and we start making in the hallway at the entrance to their hotel room. Tyler is already inside with his girl and the AMOG Look up this term . My girl tells me that I can't come in and, yells, “Hey, Carmen, get that guy [Tyler] out of here.” Tyler was working it hard because from inside I here, “No, he can stay…we’re just chilling out.” Thank God for a good wing.

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I go back to making out with my girl, and I do everything within my power to heat her up to get inside her room. I bite her neck, spank her ass, reach around her ass and rub her puss, grab her hands in a very dominant manner, tell her to “shut the fuck up”, and grunt. I yank her hand, push open the hotel room, and take her inside the hotel room. Tyler is there with his girl on the couch. I take my girl slam her against the wall right next to the entrance and resume making out with her. I pick her up and drop her on the floor and dry hump her like never before. For me, there are two things that I must get to in order to have sex with a girl: 1.) reach around finger, 2.) hard dry hump. Whenever I drop her, the entire room is in shock because what I've done is totally unexpected. I don't give a shit because I know I have to get this girl horny to get her into the bedroom.

I take her out onto the balcony, and we make out in front of tons of people on the balcony. People root and holler, saying “Adda boy...yeah baby.” I ask her, “Let’s take this to the bedroom.” She says, “No, we can't.” Wash-rinse-repeat. This time I change my approach. I turn it around, so her back is facing the entrance to the living room (see diagram below). We walk while making out into the living room, and then I make a left turn into her bedroom. She’s so emotional and her head is facing the balcony, so she has no clue that we’re headed to the bedroom. We get into the bedroom, I slam the door, and I shove her on the bed.

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I'm ripping off her clothes, and she says, “OMG, I've always wanted a guy like you. Where did you come from? I can't believe I'm doing this.” I tell her, “Shut the fuck up.” She says, “Oh…yes.” I take off her pants (no time for taking off her shirt), rip off my pants, and then pull out a condom. Slide it on, and then I'm inside of her.

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We go it at it for 5 minutes, and then her friend comes in while we’re fucking and gives us condoms. [Come to find out this was Tyler’s doing…good looking out, buddy.] We fuck, she says she’s thirsty, I go and get some water, and then I tell Tyler that I fucked her. I head back in and Tyler brings his girl in for a potential four-way, and as soon as I get back on the bed, my girl and I go back at it. Tyler’s Girl and Tyler decide to leave us alone, and I find out later that Tyler had to be very aggressive with his girl to get her from dragging her away on the street, and he said that wasn't her blueprint, thus turning her off to the idea of sex. Made sense because I saw that she was the more withdrawn one, and I've found that it’s the case with girls like that.

I want to get my girl back to the Mansion, so I ask her. She says, “No, I can't go…I can't leave my friends.” I say, “Ok, tell your friends you’re going to Mel’s and then we'll go the Mansion.” She says, “No, no, no.” I put my penis inside her and give it to her hard. She’s moaning and wrenching in pleasure, and then, I say “You want to go don't you?” She moans out, “Ok, ok, I'll go.” Yes, my plan worked. I throw her clothes to her, and she puts them on. She gets on her pants, and then she resists, “Seriously, I don't think I can go…let’s just stay here.” I slide her panties to the side and put it in there, and she says, “Hmmm…I can't take this, ok, let’s go.”

We leave the room, and Tyler comes up to me, “Dude, the entire hotel has seen you two fucking. They’re freaking out, people are yelling, and everyone was out on there balconies watching you two. Bro, that’s probably the fastest lay on ASF Look up this term .” We leave the hotel room, and Tyler’s meeting some other girls down at Mel’s, so he leaves his girl behind. His girl sees this, and she comes up and cockblocks. As we’re waiting for the elevator, she says “Come on, Dayane, you forgot your purse…let’s go back to the Hotel Room.” She looks at her friend and says, “No, I don't care…I’m going with them...” Her friend walks away, and we take the elevator down stairs and leave the Mondrian. She complains about the two block walk to the mansion, and I tell her to “shut the fuck up, be quiet, and look pretty.”

We get back to the mansion, and it’s the Courtney Love’s Band After-Party. Lots of cool people, and I go straight for my bedroom. Some people tell me that someone’s in there, NaturalJ. I take my girl around and introduce her to everyone, saying “Dayane, be friendly, introduce yourself to Mystery.” I look for a room, yet someone is in every room. I head up stairs and jump into Tyler’s closet. We fuck, and then she says, “I'm thirsty.” I say, “Hold on…let me be a gentleman and go get you some water.” I get outside the room, and there’s ThomasCrown with a glass of water. He asks me, “Do you want pictures? I've got audio. I say, “Let’s do it. Get in your closet, and then I'll bring her around.” I go back into the closet, and then tell her, “We’re going to go take a shower…I feel all sweaty.” She comes with me, and we walk to the shower. She doesn't see ThomasCrown in his closet with the camera. I turn her head to the side and cover her eyes to hide it from the flash. He gets several pictures.

We go back in, fuck, she wants me to nut on her face. I miss and go onto my stomach. We go into the living room and have a little escapade on the pillows as other people watch us. She gets freaked out, and I tell her, “Ok, we'll stop.” We don't. After we have sex on the pillows, I walk her back to her hotel room, it’s about 6AM, and I meet Tyler and The Merovingian in Mel’s.

I wing Look up this term Tyler who’s with a set of hot lawyers (great choice), and I tell my girl that I just came from having sex. She gets disgusted and says, “Gross, player.” I then reframe it and tell her, “Well, it’s actually my ex-girlfriend, who’s trying to use sex to get back together with me.” She says, “So, you’re just using her for sex.” I say, “She’s the one that’s using her sexuality to get back together with me, and she and I have a great physical connection together. She can't get it into her head that it’s not going to go farther than that. [pause] You know what I want [this is all from cold reads and conversation pieces that I've heard] I want a girl who’s a professional.”

She responds, “I'm a lawyer.” I say, “Well, I'm not referring to you, but rather what I want in general. I also want a girl who doesn't go out all the time, a girl who works out on a regular basis, and a girl who know where she wants to go with her life.” All the while, she’s nodding her head. We head back to their car, and we let them go as we don't see the lay is happening because it’s about 7AM. My lawyer girl is all over me, and we set Look up this term up a time to meet them later. Tyler and his girl are kissing. What a great night…I hobble back to the mansion because my nuts are sore like never before. I go to sleep feeling good.

The 9 is coming over tonight for some more action…I’ll get more pics of this hottie.

Neo/Hypnotist:

Double Report: Neo and wing Look up this term s Exploit Eurochocolate

Special message for all the excusers who say that direct game doesn't work: FUCK YOU!

As some of you guys know, I was gaming at the Eurochocolate, for anyone who didn't make in time to go in there: be there next year! HB Look up this term s everyfucking where! The whole city center was full of people, so many of them that you can't walk properly; no kidding. I ran into two wings of mine.

I was impressed about how fast one of them improved. Many of you guys thinks that I improved quickly, well this guy did so at10 times my speed of improvement. The last time I saw him was at the Umbria Jazz Festival. He got attraction super fast even using the most stupid indirect thing ever, like "Girls, could you suggest something good to eat at the Eurochocolate?" and the girls were giggling like crazy, giving him indications of interest ("IOIs"), etc. I think he will be one of the new top guns of the community very soon. The only problem I can see with him now is that he's lacking in rapport skills. He reminds me a lot of the guy who used the nick from the Fight Club movie Wink

Anyway we did some set Look up this term s, in order to get ready for super HB to come around. I was feeling a bit nervous at the first 2-3 sets. We taped the set with my cam and corrected errors on BL, voice, etc. A wing of mine was in super high energy mode "Show me direct, show me direct, PLEASE PLEASE!"

Poor guy, he doesn't believe that the direct approach could work yet. Non Badboy students don't get it.....sad.

I see one girl, and I opened her being a bit too aggressive, which scared her, LOL.

Then I opened another chick (nice blonde) and she stopped, and said.... "Sorry, I don't speak Italian!" LOL, so I started to ask her some questions in English,but I forgot to use an opener, LOL LOL.

Still not the best of what I can pull off.

My wing Look up this term was still jumping around asking me to show him the direct approach.

We moved and enjoyed some of the stuff that was happening around (people singing, street performers, etc.). I saw my wing Look up this term talking with a chick and after a moment I spot a chick with amazing black hair. OK NOW IS TIME TO SHOW THE DIRECT APPROACH!

I look closer at her, she had stunning green eyes. I was in trance for a split second and then I approached her without hesitation and said "I like you and I would like to know you."

She stopped, got into trance, became speechless, and gave me an indication of interest. Then I added: "Your eyes....." and I paused.

Her: "What?"

Me: "You have such a great energy in your eyes it's incredible (something like that, I don't remember what I said exactly....). She was even more speechless. Then she smiled a lot, her eyes lit up. I offered my hand and we did exchanged names, and talked more. After a bit of chatting, I cold read her for a bit, and started to use the tests technique right on the spot, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET WITH 1000 PEOPLE WALKING AROUND US! But we DIDN'T care at all (I have a video of this!).

Funny thing is that I was wearing a cowboy hat. Very happy people were like "WTF is this guy????"

I did this for a bit, and then grabbed her and told her that we are going to sit, since I wanted to be more comfortable. But since I wanted this more than she did, I almost didn't leave her anywhere to sit, so she had to lean in like crazy in order to hear me. After a bit of rapport started, she brought out the shirt issue (err...I mean BF Look up this term issue). I didn't give a shit and continued to build rapport, and we talked about movies, travel, and some of the other stuff I use to get soulmate rapport (info on how do it is in the private student forum in my big rapport post.)

We chatted more and more. I worked to get her more attracted on connected to me. It was funny as later on two of my wing Look up this term s commented "How the fuck did you manage to make her stay for a full hour in that uncomfortable position just to hear you?" Yeah, how did I do it? Who knows. Wink

After an hour, I decided to let her sit next to me, so she would relax more. More rapport, and this time she was into me more, so I venue changed to a bench in the park. She immediately brought out the shirt issue again (boooooooring) but then followed me.

I sat with alpha BL Look up this term , and after a bit she again brought out the shirt issue. I didn't give a shit since she was into me a lot, and talked more, and I started to kino her more. She asked me why I talked so much. I responded with "Uh, what do you mean?" and then she explained that "the way you talk, I am not like you. I can tell stuff like you do with this honestly and openly and share how I feel things. I keep this stuff for myself, but you are different" and then she added that this was a compliment, LOL. She told me some very deep personal stuff about her, and asked me why I chose her, so I told her again about how magical her eyes are, and other shit like that.

After three total hours of going out and meeting women, she had to go. So I told her to give me her #. NO RESISTANCE AT ALL, SHE WAS FUCKING HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

I walked with her a little more, and we said bye bye to each other, kinoing each other, and looking into each other's eyes. Nice stuff. Then I was going to eat dinner being super tired and done for the night, BUT....as Shark might have said: Audacis fortuna iuvat! I entered my favorite restaurant wearing my cowboy hat and crazy dress style (they were a bit shocked since I usually dress more low key) and saw a girl I know (a skinny German girl with blond hair and blue eyes, she is mildly attracted to me) but this time she had a friend with her. The target Look up this term sat on my left, the German chick in front of me also slightly to my left, my wing was sitting on my right, and, at the other side of the table, a guy that is a former casual friend of mine (but he had amoged me a lot and since he has an incredibly strong frame, it is really hard to out-alpha him usually), and at his right his GF Look up this term . As soon as I sat at the table, I noticed the German friend giving me an indication of interest. So I had to grab the opportunity. I started to engage her in a conversation when she mentioned her job (she is a teacher in kindergarden class), so I started to cold read her in front of the table (!). My cold reading was accurate, and the German chick said to her GF Look up this term that I am like this with everybody (true, but she is somehow cockblocking me by telling her that). So I joke about how I cold read the German chick in the past, and how she was a super fast talker, and a bit neurotic. I smiled and the GF giggled like crazy at that, and then I cold read her some more. She was digging this totally, so I started to use compliments a little bit, which made her red, and she smiled at me looking into my eyes, at my lips, etc. I started to tell personal stuff about GF Look up this term like how her ex would act around her, and how she liked to make love with a guy. She blushed some more and asked the German chick if she told me that personal information about her.

She looked at her with a facial expression that said "I don't have clue" and told her that she didn't tell me anything and actually this is the first time that GF Look up this term I met.

Since I didn't know if she had a BF Look up this term , I used tonality and pattern language to tell her about her being with her BF and caressing his face, bla blah telling her about her BF many times, until she finally said "You are telling me all the time about my BF but actually I don't have one at the moment!" You guys smell a big indication of interest for me? I did!

Now I have the GF Look up this term 's total attention. AMOG guy tries to say something in order to out alpha me, but I replied with "And now a parrot is disturbing us" that made the AMOG GF laugh and AMOG became quiet. I smile as I was talking to the target some more, and we developed some nice rapport. Sometimes the German chick tried to cockblock but the target Look up this term was interested in me.

I talked with the target Look up this term about my dog, school, movies, and other stuff I don't remember. But the structure is almost the same of go out and meet women as outlined above. She found me interesting, intelligent, blah blah blah. AMOG tried to engage her, then after 3 minutes of them chatting I got the target's attention again and used another story. The AMOG Look up this term left for good, and going out and meeting women was going on. As time passed, I asked the target what they are going to do for the night, and she told me that the plan was to walk around the city center for a bit. So I said:

Ok, I'll go with you.

target Look up this term agreed and then went to the bathroom.

Then I told her to wait for me since I realized that I needed to go to bathroom too (lol)

She waited for me while I paid for dinner and then I met the girls outside.

Here the target Look up this term informed me that they had changed their plans and the German chick wanted to go to sleep, since she needed to wake up early the next day (translation: German chick persuaded her friend to get rid of me.....grrrrrrr. But Neo doesn't surrender so easily!). So I told the target that since we aren't going to walk together then she has to drive me home, and she said sure (Ahahah).

I talked more with her, exchanging stories, and she told me that we can walk together another day. Then I wanted to do something that in the past would have made me shake with fear.

I wanted to test how solid is my frame, so as soon as we were at my house, after another telling each other another story, I told her: give me your # so we can get in touch for next time.German chick was shocked!

Then she said.... "That's ok, Neo is a good guy." So the target Look up this term gave me her #. And she told me that it was a pleasure to meet me, same here, Miss. Wink

I felt like the king as usual. Then I left for my home totally exhausted, ready for the last day of Eurochocolate, which would be another mind blowing experience for me. But this is another story.

Mark B.:

> Cliff's Comment: While looking your best is never the wrong thing to do, looks are not the only thing. David DeAngelo has an interview coming out with Sean Stephenson (www.seanstephenson.com) who I met briefly at the DYD Look up this term Masters Seminar in L.A. (and who receives these emails) and who does pretty well with women. If you think looks are the only thing that matter (and I know that there are many guys out there reading this list who, despite all the evidence to the contrary that's been posted here over the years), take a look at Sean's website for an eye-opener.

Mark B.'s comments: I think that we are splitting words here. Obviously looks are not the only thing. We cannot look like Brad Pitt and expect women to flock over us. Even he has to put in the work. Our appearance opens the door but after we have to have something interesting to say, show an interest in the woman, suggest a course of action, be bold and up front with what we want from her and of course be calm, cool and collected about it. If the guy looks like a model but he can't put together a few words or is a jerk or ignores women, obviously they won't be interested.

Looking your best opens the door to allow the rest of your personality to come through. We are all born looking pretty much the same but through laziness, poor diet, and/or ignorance many of us drift into physical oblivion that creates a barrier between us and others - they see the physical neglect and turn away.

One's appearance comes into play at the beginning of your interaction. You only have a few minutes at the most to make a good impression given that one cannot display one's entire character and personality in those two minutes. Studies of students in the US showed that those who had the most favorable impressions of one another after 3-4 minutes of meeting, tended to form long term friendships that lasted even after they graduated college. Those that did not, never even became friends. (See abcnews.com for the study.)

Before my "enlightenment" as a result of my run in with the Canadian police, I believed in these books, the techniques, the verbal methods. However as I evolved physically I noticed that when a woman is attracted to a guy he can get away with saying and doing pretty much anything he wishes, as long as he does not offend her, he does not act like he does not need her or otherwise acts disinterested. If a woman is interested, she will make an allowance for his personality imperfections and he does not have to really try hard to get her interested. He does not need "game". He just needs to be normal and carry on a normal conversation with her. If a woman is interested she will on her own give the guy clear indications of interest and he does not have to struggle to keep her engaged.

You see, most books, sites and guides will never tell you that it's the first impressions that count - they never even mention first impressions. I believe this is the case because most believe they cannot affect how they appear and ignore the issue. Furthermore "a make a good first impression and then coast" book would never sell and it would never give guys the "hope" they needed. Guys that don't tend to make good first impressions tend to be drawn to the sites and books believing that the first hour or the first week makes all the difference, when it fact it's the first 2 - 3 minutes that do. But it's easy to hook desperate men into believing they can be funny or hypnotic or otherwise try some technique because these guys will latch onto anything that gives them some measure of hope. In fact most of these books recommend the opposite of what it really takes - forget how you look and appear as long as you can keep her attention for a while then you are in - nonsense. The real truth is that first impressions count - the first 2-3 minutes are your key - once you are in you can simply coast and be normal, normally relate to her and in time you will get laid. But most unappealing guys do not make that good first impression and hence never truly develop the feel for normal relating to a woman. They think they have to be selling because in the end they realize she never bought in the first place. But the reality is that you don't have to keep selling once she has already bought.

I always find it interesting when I read "the new interview" or some new guide or book that comes out. It seems that somewhere somehow guys tend to search for that one idea, that one key that will melt women and have then run to the bedroom. There is no such one idea. The folly lies with the questions - What does it take? What is the key? Perhaps it does not take anything - perhaps in the end things just happen by virtue of who you are as a guy and how a woman perceives you no matter what you do. If you talk to some really successful men, most will tell you they have no idea how they do it. The guys that fail will tell you everything they have tried. That in itself should speak for itself. The guys that succeed, just have it and then they go out and work with what they have - they perfect their inner talent and gift based on what they have already. Guys that fail tend to focus on the little parts - the smallest variable of what they will say, their opening, their closing, their transition, their bridge, multi
ple layers, etc. This is how you know who gets laid and who does not.......

For me now it has become easy to spot the guys that are successful - they just are and they do. The guys that are not successful, talk about what they do or want to do or try. I think the bottom line is working on oneself - becoming as educated and worldly as one can be, taking care of oneself physically by working out and eating well, acting with integrity and boldness and generally being positive about the world and one's place in it. And once we have the inner self complete others will follow....

From experience I will never believe that some ghastly looking guy can get hot women on a consistent basis simply by virtue of himself. Unless he is a talent scout, he has loads of money or women see him as a means to an end somewhere, odds are they will not want him for him for his own sake unless she is very lonely and feels she does not have much relationship choice.

I have worked in nightclubs and in strip bars. I have known some of the hottest women out there - girls that have done modelling, commercial actresses, fitness competitors, many strippers and otherwise normally attractive women. I have never seen any of them be romantically and sexually involved with a guy who was not attractive in some sense - I have never seen them with a guy who was overweight or shorter than say 5'5" or a guy who just had no sense of style in terms of his clothing - a slob. BUT this does not suggest they did not "date" unattractive men. They did but give off the appearance of dating them to secure some sort of a financial reward or to simply further their own objective, such as having this guy pay for trips, shopping, or even for cars and other material stuff. BUT their panties stayed on.

When we look at websites, pictures of some guy surrounded by hot women that is what we see - pictures of some guy surrounded by hot women. Women love to have their picture taken in bars and nightclubs - they hope someone will spot them and offer them some sort of a contract or other monetary advantage. But unless the guy has her underwear or pics of him and her making out, fucking or they are married or living together or at least he spends weekend nights at her place, to me these pics mean nothing other than what they show - some guy surrounded by hot women.

But this is a hard reality to accept because most of us don't feel we can affect our level of attractiveness. We can more than we think and often this is what tends to make most if not all the difference because once you are in with a woman you can simply just coast and simply relate to her like a normal human being without trying to get her attracted. She already is and then the key becomes making her as comfortable with the guy as possible on as many levels as he can.

Here are some examples of women I picked up and really did nothing other than just talked to them simply naturally on my own without techniques or methods and in the end the sex just happened.

I was out at a nightclub one Saturday night back in June. Some chick spills a drink on me. I get cleaned up. She then comes over and sits beside me on a couch and apologizes. We talk for a while - she does most of the questioning. Then her friend comes over and sits beside her on the other side of the couch. Then the girl that spilled the drink asks me if I would take her out and if I would be interested in seeing her. I said "sure" and asked for her number. Then her friend says "you want my number as well" I said "sure". The first girl just laughs and says "you are so silly". Most chicks would be offended at this jerk behaviour but she was fine. I called her up, took her out for dinner and fucked her the same night.

Another one - I am at a public library just minding my own business. I meet up with a friend and start talking. Beside us was a woman on a computer doing some research. She glances over and smiles. I look over and ask her some silly question. She starts talking. My friend leaves. We then talk and without me asking she offers her number. I call her and the second time I see her we fuck.

Another one - I am walking through a nightclub with a friend. As a dare he says, go talk to that one. I go over and say "hi" - she immediately takes over from there and starts talking. We talk for 10 minutes. She offers me her number. I call her but we don't hook up for a few months. When we do I bone her brains out...we still hook up once in a while as fuck buddies.....and on and on and on and on....

Cliff's Comment: Perhaps I have had a more privileged viewpoint, but I have seen many guys in my life who completely defy what you write above. Guys who are definitely not attractive, and even quite unattractive based on their appearance, who consistently were having massive success. Guys I knew for years and who had very solid attitudes that were very appealing to women. I can start running off examples as you did, but unless you saw these guys you would not appreciate how little their looks made a difference. And as further evidence of how this works, we have all seen very good looking guys with no game (aka personality) who couldn't score in a brothel while covered in $100 bills. I think that in your case, your own underlying personal confidence sub communicates itself to women and they are attracted to that. Add to that how you are very direct when you are interested and this kind of honesty, delivered with some charm, is very appealing to women.

Mark B.'s Comment: Physical attractiveness breaks down the barrier to others seeing your inner being, which is what ultimately attracts people. They don't have to look past the sloppiness, lack of shape, mismatched clothes to see the person within.

The less physically appealing guy can still get women, but he has to try a hell of a lot harder, be almost forceful in his manner and then he'll end up getting women who feel they have less relationship/romantic choice or those that have been hurt in the past. IOW women who somehow feel limited in their choice of mate.

We can always improve our physical attractiveness - better diet, working out in the gym, better clothes, better sense of style, etc.

Cliff's Comment: As for the quality, again you are wrong based on what I have seen (not that what you say doesn't apply in many cases - it's going to vary depending on who we are talking about obviously). It is really true that women go for personality over looks - and I am talking top quality. In fact, one of the things that you should have noticed is that women start off when they are younger by often going for looks and then many if not most of them have a lot of bad experiences and then change their requirements. Further, some of them, in my experience, have had such a bad bashing from good looking men that they really can't distinguish between good looking and average men any more. Many will simply not go out with good looking men because they've been burned so many times in the past.

Mark B.'s Comment: All I know is what I experienced in my own skin, how women responded to me and they respond now. I have also had the fortune of working in nightclubs and strip bars as a door man as well as clubbing for years on my own and have seen the same pattern repeat itself over and over again. I don't want to repeat how my change evolved as I already wrote about that three times.

I mentioned before that height and generally thinner men tend to do better with women than shorter men in lesser shape. And given a thinner, taller guy, even if in terms of his facial features he is not a good looking guy in some classic sense, or what we may consider ugly, by virtue of other physical statures he can generally do well. Let's put it this way - give me a guy who is 5'5" and a 10 on the face but say 20 pounds overweight and a guy who is 6'2", thinner and say a 7 or a 6, and the taller guy will tend to do a lot better all things being equal.

There is a biological basis for symmetry and one that cannot be denied. In the end the guy who gets the longer look, the the smiles can be more confident because women already give him that "space" where he can go ahead and take more action, act with more balls and go for what he wants in a more direct manner.

As far as being direct, I firmly believe in letting her know your intent "I would like to get to know you better, let's go have coffee" works wonders because she knows where you stand, there are no surprises, no out of the blue realizations and she feels safe because in the end she knows where you stand and where she stands with you. There is no magical suddenly "Eureka" moment where a woman suddenly says "OK, now I am horny and want to fuck". The progression starts right away with a sequence of small steps that lead to the inevitable moment. But most guys are afraid of being that direct because they fear rejection, but it's that very fear and lack of directness that results in rejection, just a bit later in the process because she begins to wonder what this guy wants and starts getting nervous and walks away out of uncertainty.

Jason:

> Silentk: If anyone has suggestions on where my skills need the most improvement, I'm happy to hear it.

Jason: One place where you're really hurting yourself is looks. You keep getting hung up on being Asian and not looking like Brad Pitt. You lack confidence in this area and women can sense this. The vast majority of women don't care about looks, they really don't. Even when they say they want Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp, how many times have you seen that same bitch out with a muthafucka that looks like Don Rickles? That right, because Don's game is TIGHT. And that's what matters. You've got to have the courage to go for what you want. No bitch is going to care about you being Asian or looking like some punk-ass movie star unless you do. And YOU do. What you need to do is turn that EFT on your hangups regarding how you look. It's good stuff. Or just stand in front of a mirror, naked, and tell yourself how much you love yourself, how much you love your body. Tell yourself that you love and approve of yourself. Once you embed this as a gut-level, unshakable belief, that love is what you'll radiate and this is what women will sense. And then your game will be tight. And then all the women will want to play. And you make up the rules.

Dwacon:

Animal Magnetism?

In my experience, women tend to not let on to what they are thinking. There are occasions, however, where they blurt out their thoughts. In essence, “thinking out loud.”

Last month, I was conversing with a woman who was a potential business colleague -- the convo Look up this term was strictly business. So imagine my surprise when she blurted out from left field she felt that I was “so sexy” and had a “magnificent animal magnetism.” Needless to say, business went directly to the back burner (no pun intended).

I've been wondering about this “animal magnetism” comment... wondering if perhaps this has been an asset in times of success or a liability in times of failure?

I notice in general that women (in actions and/or comments) take the Alpha Male persona as a bit overpowering. On some occasions, it is a good thing. For instance, while in the gym a number of girls can't stop staring or finding excuses to work out near me. Still, others seem shy and intimidated.

Murphy’s law: The other day a shortie with a hot #10 body but a “through the windshield” face offered a hook-up but I couldn't get past that grill of hers. Meanwhile, this Renée Zellweger look-a-like ran from me like her feet were on fire before I could get “Hello” out of my mouth. LOL

I was driving by a department store and saw this absolutely gorgeous HB-11 walking by... tall, perfect figure, long curly blonde hair almost to her waist... in a tight black dress. I slammed on brakes and parked, then went inside looking for her. I found her after a few minutes only to see a golf ball sized diamond on her finger. So it wouldn't be a total loss, figured I'd look around and noticed a cutie walking around with one of those belly shirts, revealing a bunny tattoo that popped up from her panty line. When we made eye contact, she immediately grabbed her shirt and yanked it down to cover her midriff. Non-plussed, I noticed she had an elephant cartoon (with the caption “junk in the trunk”) on and asked her, “Does that elephant mean you’re a Republican?” She gave a nervous “Not at all” and quickly bee-lined out of the store and (from where I could see) across the parking lot.

On another occasion, I was out having lunch with my married friend Joan and, like most women, she was asking me lots of questions like “Why are you still single” and such. I used this to turn Joan into an unwitting pivot. I noticed this ravishing Sicilian girl seated across the restaurant from us and prompted Joan to go over and invite her to join us. Her name was Jeanelle and Joan seemed pleased as I effortlessly number closed her. A few days later, I took Jeanelle out for lunch. The convo Look up this term was nice and easy. No heavy handed patterns or sarging or anything. Suddenly she did the "thinking out loud" thing and blurted out from what seemed like left field, "I can't do this... I'm seriously dating someone!"

She got increasingly flustered as she tried to reconcile what she was feeling -- although I was not controlling her arousal, she was on autopilot. I sat there with my jaw dropped and watched as she spun herself out of control and jetted on me... later refusing to answer or return my subsequent calls.

In my experience, this alpha-male or animal magnetism or whatever it is seems to be uncontrollable. For example, this past week I received word that my Mom was seriously ill and headed for the hospital. I hopped a quick flight to her town and on arrival family members had called for an ambulance, given that Mom had fallen unconscious and not responding to anything.

It was a rough couple days at the hospital... seeming helpless as the doctor didn't know if she'd live or die. This was frustrating because this hospital was full of incredibly hot babes who seemed overtly flirtatious. The fact that I was worried about Mom had me ignoring the nurses. Still, they paraded past mom's hospital room to try and chat me up.

When I returned home, my cousin phoned and said the nurses were asking all sorts of questions about me.

I recently purchased a set Look up this term of dog-tags with Playboy rabbit head on it for peacocking. I made the mistake of wearing it to the office and from the way the women reacted you would have thought I was wearing a swastika with Adolph Hitler nailed to it. Go figure.

PROMOS & REVIEWS SECTION (there are NO paid ads in this list and never have been. The "commercial" section is distinguished by the "--------------" separators):

DAVID NEWS:

New things are happening at Be Relentless - we are working on a special project which will be totally unique. David has been doing a lot more personal consultations lately and will hopefully have his newsletter out shortly. We still need questions by email and it would be appreciated if you could ask David about any related topic that could be of interest (how to find, meet, attract, close and keep women, etc.).

Please send them to him at david@be-relentless.com. I would recommend you copy me as well (cliff@cliffslist.com) so I will make sure they get answered.

All subscribers of these emails will be given a free subscription and, as here, you can unsubscribe at any time. I know that you will find his comments and advice to be pretty unique and very useful. We are also making progress on the long awaited book which we hope will be ready relatively soon now.

The tapes of the David Seminar are now available and are being shipped upon receipt of your order, but please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. You can visit the website at www.be-relentless.com and orders should be made through paypal (go to www.paypal.com and send money to sales@be-relentless.com) if you need some other way to make payment, inquire at info@be-relentless.com. This product comes on two DVD discs for a total of approximately 6 1/2 hours of playing time. The price is $230 USD + $20 USD for the DVD which covers shipping and handling anywhere in the world. Inquire about shipping by overnight courier. These tapes are now available in a sound only version also.

Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available. David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual problems with certain women. You can get on the phone, answer his questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on how to succeed in your particular mission.

PLEASE NOTE: This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of www.doubleyourdating.com (who has posted some great stuff here under the name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of www.davidshade.com).

Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html

Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:

I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.

Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List. Also note: RSD Look up this term will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.

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November 12-13, 2004 New York, USA

December 3-4, 2004 San Francisco, USA

In-Field Workshops

November 11-13, 2004 New York, USA

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Individualized Bootcamps

Go to realsocialdynamics.directtrack.com/ad/1/CD11 to signup for these events on their schedule.

New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!

Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.

The website is www.set nalife.com. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.

The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.

Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).

This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.

Mystery Method Workshops:

What method are YOU using?

If you are opening groups (or set Look up this term s: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set Look up this term with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.

If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target Look up this term 's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.

Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).

The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?

If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.

Dates of upcoming Events:

November 12-14 Philadelphia

November 19-21 Las Vegas

November 25-29 Individual Programs Seminar space only

December 3-5 Chicago

December 10-12 Chicago Seminar space only

December 17-19 Denver

January 7-9 Las Vegas Seminar space only

January 14-16 Dallas

Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.

Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)

Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars

Finished for 2004

Your Mind in Business

Finished for 2004

Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has finished his schedule for 2004.

Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.

Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com

Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD Look up this term products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".

Tentative: Las Vegas beginning of 2005.

You can order all your DYD Look up this term products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl

www.davidshade.com SEMINAR

What would it be like to have everything you've ever wanted sexually with the women in your life?

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* Learn the aspects of bringing out the ruthlessly expressive sexual creature in your woman.

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* Find out how to excite and fulfill her beyond her wildest dreams.

* Know that you can create and enjoy a relationship with a woman who is completely loyal and responsive to you.

This seminar will demonstrate to you what it means to be the personally and sensually powerful man that sexual women are longing to be with.

One of the greatest benefits of attending this seminar is that you will discover how to find a high quality woman and keep her screaming for more.

Presented by David Shade, the author of David Shade's Manual.

NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER

Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really

understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?

If so, check out www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/

Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar

If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on Sarge Look up this term s, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!

The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.

For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.

Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:

Badboy is a Croatian PUA Look up this term from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.

To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.

Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.

Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.

The basic structure of the workshop is:

Day 1:

Social intelligence/emotional intelligence

How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style

Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets

Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice

Difference between emotional and party type girls

Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city

Openers (set Look up this term s with males vs. only-girl sets)

Day 2:

Difference between PUing Look up this term alone and with a wing

Different tools for getting attraction

Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)

Stealing their frames

Passing shit tests

Push-pull

Isolation tactics(2steps)

Day 3:

AMOG Look up this term tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)

Boyfriend destroyers

Passing LMR Look up this term

Secrets of good sex

How to manage a good relationship

More bodylanguage secrets

How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour

How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget

Difference between PUing Look up this term in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)

Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU Look up this term . He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.

For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.badboylifestyle.com

UK (Europe) - December 9-10-11 - $850.00 (SOLD OUT)

Melbourne (Australia) - January 20-21-22 (2005) - $995.95

Sydney (Australia) - February 10-11-12 (2005) - $995.95

Cancun, Mexico - March 10-11-12 (2005) - $995.95

Cancun, Mexico - March 24-25-26 (2005) - $995.95

Cancun, Mexico - March /April 31 - 1-2 (2005) - $995.95

Amsterdam - April 21-22-23 (2005) - $995.95

You can make a deposit ($200) for a workshop on Paypal and send money to: nightlife@playboylifestyle.net

Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"

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Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! www.seductionlair.com

The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!

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Pick-Up 101

Taught at the Project San Francisco Mansion by Sensei and Wilder. Classes are a combination of lecture and tons of personal attention with supervised fieldwork in the evenings. The Fundamentals are hammered home: Opening, Generating Attraction, Isolation and Bridging. We work with each student to highlight their strengths and create a congruent image and identity. We also work with students to make their _own_ structured openers and attraction stories. Finally, we bring in live girls for the guys to practice on and we video tape and critique these sessions. There is no faster way to get up to speed on the fundamentals of pick-up than this workshop. And any PUA Look up this term who has truly mastered the fundamentals is already in the top 5% of guys out there doing this stuff. Pricing, workshop schedules and student testimonials available at our website, www.pickup101.com

Here's the updated and upcoming Pick-Up 101 Workshop info:

Fist, we're instituting a referral program for our workshops. Anyone you refer from outside the community who signs up for our fundamentals workshop, now called The Art of Attraction, we'll pay you $50 cash or $100 credit toward future workshops (stay tuned for massive results from our Study Groups.)

Upcoming events:

Nov. 16: Sponsoring 8-minute Speed Dating Event, San Francisco

Nov. 19-21: November Art of Attraction (Fundamentals) Workshop, San Francisco

Dec. 17-19: December Art of Attraction (Fundamentals) Workshop, San Francisco

Jan. 14-16: Art of Attraction Workhp in Sydney, Australia

Jan. 21-23: Art of Attraction Workhp in Sydney, Australia

*** And a new one!

Nov. 21, 8pm to 10pm: Free Orientation Workshop...

This is a 2 hour free workshop where we introduce people to what we do. It a great place to come meet the instructors, see the Project San Francisco Mansion and check out upcoming classes. Everyone has friends that aren't in the community, and it gets to be a pain winging with them because they don't know anything. This is the place to bring them. It's free, and it'll get them excited about the community and you'll get your wing Look up this term back! This is a great opportunity to get referral fees, just bring them here to the free seminar and we'll do the rest!

Game on-

Sanek has a new website up at fybb.eluid.org

Check it out and see his comments.

Check out the 'supermarket of seduction' at www.seductionpro.com. Lots of interesting products to look into.

Impact Interaction (www.impactinteraction.com) @ London

Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.

The workshops include:

- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear

- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance

- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…

For more information go to www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.

Flirting Weekend London - 4/5 December 2004

Learn how to develop immense pulling power in every aspect of your life!

“Flirting isn't just about impressing the opposite sex and picking up a partner, it's about getting on with people”, says Peta Heskell, the founder of Britain's only Flirting Academy. “Great flirts do it with everyone -flirt that is!” Flirting is a way of interacting with people that makes it fun and easy to connect with them and makes them want to be with you. Become super sexy, develop your conversation power, boost your confidence, courage and self esteem and find out how to approach strangers and feel good. You may be looking for love, want to make more friends or improve the way you interact with people in general.

Flirt with life. Flirt for love. Flirt for fun. Flirt for success.

For more information about the October Flirting Weekend in Bristol, contact

LifeTalks - tel. 0117 973 1010, email info@lifetalks.co.uk or visit www.lifetalks.co.uk

For more information about the December Flirting Weekend in London and other workshops with Peta, contact The Attraction Academy tel. 0700 4 354 784 or

visit www.attractionacademy.com/

Have you ever asked yourself...

* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?

* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?

* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?

Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)

Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.

Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.

There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.

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Step by Step Threesomes

Hey, check out Suzy Bauer's site and her e-book (we need a review, so someone get this and let us know what you think) about creating threesomes. Suzy is an attractive married bi-sexual woman who says that her e-book will show you what to do to create threesomes, how to overcome resistance and how no one can tell you how to do this better than a woman. www.stepbystepthreesome.com/

"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"

www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm

Maximillian Hell:

I have a PU Look up this term journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.

www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell

Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):

http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

www.macktactics.com/

www.seductionformula.com

www.thejamesmethod.com/

www.seductiondvd.com/

www.becomeaplayer.com/

www.SeductionGuide.net/

Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/gunwitch

Someone needs to check this site and its products out also: mensniche.com/hit.php?w=101973&s=4&p=2

Daniel:

If you are looking for a wing Look up this term and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.

Carlos Xuma:

Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, sex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm

A few sites to check out:

www.becomeaplayer.com

Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.

David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).

Check out Payton Kane www.seduceandconquer.com. VERY interesting. There will be a review of his product here shortly.

Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com

The Foundations of Seduction

Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called “Foundations of Seduction”. You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/sexualkey Just enter “$34.97” into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered “Foundations of Seduction”. If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD hop.clickbank.net/?cliffslist/sexualkey

LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been doing several boot camp style one-on-one courses and have a seminar coming up November 12-14.

To find out more about the "Freedom with Women" seminar, go to www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/fww5.html

or contact davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com

HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set Look up this term of tapes. howtosucceedwithwomen.com/

1. You can receive a series of audio programs from the "Freedom With Women" seminar. This audio is not available anywhere else!

2. You'll get valuable email summations of these audio programs to "lock in" the learning and help you take action.

3. You'l get other special email lessons from the "Freedom with Women" seminar, all about finally having real freedom with the women you desire.

To get the free course, go to

www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/free-audio.html

Advanced Macking:

In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm

Michael:

If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level, you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminars in Toronto. It is two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.

There are also awesome guest speakers at these seminar:

To learn more about this special seminar, go to:

www.thedatingwizard.com/

And follow the "Seminars" link.

And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.

Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!

Download it now at:

www.thedatingwizard.com/

And follow the link to "About The Dating Wizard"

FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL

The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:

1. Trance Words

2. Rapport

3. Persuasion Anchoring

4. Pacing, &

5. Leading

Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.

Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/

Note

Cliff's List has its roots in mailing lists and newsgroups, which existed way before web-based forums were ever popular, and remained that way for a while. What you are seeing here is an e-mail message that has been adapted to the web, with some references to outdated web sites removed and a format that better fits this medium. If you are interested in seeing the original content (for research or curiosity purposes) please get in touch with us at archives@cliffslist.com.

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