Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On - Elvis Report Part One of Two
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Over the last few months, I have posted a number of items about Elvis, including an interview with him. His outlandish claims were easily dismissed by the skeptical, who will no doubt remain skeptical when confronted with information that bends their comfortable view of reality.
Those initial posts, as you will read below, captivated the imagination of a long time reader of Cliff's List, John. John took a leap of faith and went down to Santiago, Dominican Republic and met with Elvis and his wingman, Alberto.
While you should enjoy reading his report, I was not satisfied with it when it came in because it doesn't really tell you what Elvis does or how to do it yourself. So I went down to Santiago and spent five days with the King. My report will form Part Two, which will be posted here shortly.
John: Elvis Preston King… Bachelor Dream Tour Report 1/9/2006
I am a reader of Cliff's list for a while and I am reporting to Cliff about my trip. Recently, Cliff posted a small paragraph from me and Elvis. The following is my full report. My trip with Elvis was amazing and could not have asked for a better ending to 2005. I want to say that this is the first pick up artist that I have seen in action and he has great game and skills as a pick up and seduction master. I did not know Elvis and thought that post called The Interview of the Decade was mind-blowing. I could tell that Cliff believed which was enough to get me thinking about meeting him.
About my sex attitude and me:
With regard to sexual attitudes, I say that in general, there are three types of people: Traditional - those with more conservative attitudes toward sex. Love Marriage Sex. Relational - those who believe that sex should be a part of a loving relationship but not necessarily confined to marriage. Recreational - those who don’t equate sex with love. It’s purely for pleasure.
I was in the traditional category for a majority of my life. I was not allowed to date before high school. During high school and college, it was an expectation to find a girl and marry. It was expected that sex was only to be had in marriage and not before. I was told to date around and not commit to any one single woman during high school and college. This is what I did but did want to create memories during college. I did get to have fun but felt shame because my conscience told me it was not right to have sex before marriage. My success was great during high school and college and at that time I had a great outlook concerning marriage and girls. I am shy and quiet and consider the quietness an advantage with my game. After college, I dated a lot and played the field. Then, I almost found the person who was going to be my life partner. I let her slip away and that did not succeed. Later, I realized she had a social personality disorder and I had dodged a bullet. Life would have been rotten if we were married. It was a new beginning and I was living the single bachelor life. My attitude was not focused on finding love but turned to finding pleasure. I dated and laid as many girls as time would permit for recreational purposes. The break up girl was a young 18 year old blonde with nice breasts who was my dream girl and my perfect type. She was 10 years younger and she was just for great sex. I don’t remember how many girls that I went through during this time, but my attitude changed when I got a girl pregnant. I was raised that if you got a girl pregnant then she is good enough to marry. But I didn’t love her so why should I marry her? Then, she had an ectopic pregnancy and it ended. It hurt emotionally and physically and that experience really changed my attitude. I stayed single for a year because I was doing things for myself and the pregnancy changed my motivation. I bought a house after that year and found myself looking again for something else. I got into the relationship mindset but did not find it exciting. Then, I went to business school for an MBA to try to make more of myself and I found that I really loved investing. I worked and went to school full time and didn’t have time for anything else. My love life and personal life suffered during this time and I missed the game. When I turned 30, I started getting pressure from family and friends to get married. That just had the opposite effect. The more they asked me about it, the less I wanted to find "the one." I didn’t want to date or get married but now I wanted to be alone. I was always being asked if I have a girlfriend. I may want a family someday but I am still looking for that girl. I fell into the dating game of buying gifts and dinners and this worked with some success but I spent a lot of money and was not getting my needs met. I was being a nice guy. I finally woke up one day and decided to get better with girls and get a system for success.
I got on the internet and started slowly reading. I signed up for a few free email letters.
I have never been to a seminar and am not really interested to attend any. I have purchased a few books and tapes. Eric Weber’s How to Pick Up Girls was the first. I have David DeAngelo’s s dating series, and The Art of Approaching by Thundercat, Without Embarrassment by Michael Pilinski and How to Be the Jerk Women Love by F.J. Shark. That book helped me get rid of the nice guy syndrome but I am still recovering.
I also found books on love making and sexual positions, how to last longer and have more intense and orgasms and harder erections, and what pleases a women and how to give her great clitoral and vaginal orgasms. I would master these arts and skills.
I read Think and Grow Rich and the Science of Getting Rich, Brian Tracy, Mark Victor Hansen, Bob Proctor, Jim Rohm, and many other self-improvement books. I became a junkie but also acted on my goals and ideas. Further, I read financial papers and annual reports, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Harvard Business Review, and so many others. My finances are pretty good but I still have to work. I still need to work on my own system for getting sexy girls and getting laid. I just picked up a copy of The Game by Neil Strauss and have only read the first chapter. So far, it is excellent and I look forward to finish reading about his techniques and adventures. From what I see, the information is great and know it will be beneficial.
The 5 days with Elvis was more than I could have learned in a lifetime of reading and listening to material. One thing that I do remember from David DeAngelo’s book was to hang out and become friends with guys that are better than you in the area that you want to improve. That was a big reason why I took a leap of faith to travel to another country and meet Elvis. He would give most of the guys in the seduction community fits trying to keep up with the amount of young beautiful girls that he lays. Most guys would fall in love and get married with such a selection. They would get out of the game. Elvis, however, has the time to do it. Most guys have to go to a job and pick up only at night and on the weekends. His wing
, Alberto, is trained and while not as good as Elvis on the street, he is great at night in a bar. The first night Elvis took the wing out to see his moves and the both ended up at girls’ house with the mother. After having been trained by Elvis, Alberto is the best wingman. They make a great combination. Most guys also let their endorphins take control. Elvis will probably be doing this till his late 90’s. He is very serious about it and is obsessed with getting laid every single day. He would go into withdrawal if he missed a day. I saw it almost happen. It was 10pm and he hadn’t had sex yet. He was too busy getting the girls for me. I thought that no way would he have a girl tonight. He usually has sex in the afternoon and goes to bed early. I watched as we drove around looking for girls. It was fast approaching midnight and he still didn’t have one yet. Then we drive and he sees this girl. He starts talking to her and the next thing you know, she and her friend are in the car. We take them back to the bachelor pad and he starts fucking them both. One comes out and he continues on with the other one. He did get the girl that day but it was almost midnight. The wing was trying to set me up and she was into me but I wasn't attracted to her. Me and the wingman laughed about it while Elvis was enjoying his girl. He has a bachelor pad that he never sleeps at and uses only for the girls. He has another house where he lives and is where he has peace and quiet as the girls never find out about his real house. He has a paid wingman that he trained and has bought him two cars. Elvis works at it full time six days a week and takes Sunday off for rest. He will probably have to switch that day because Sunday is a great day for meeting hot girls. I would like to see others in action the way Elvis showed me. He has talent and makes it look easy to pick up and seduce girls. No wasted time talking to them and he gets in and out.
My journey began on September 14th after reading your post on Elvis Preston King. How could a 56 year old still be in the game and still be laying 2-3 young girls a day? Knowing that my life needed a change, I sat in front of my computer and thought that I have to meet this guy. If all of it is true, then I will get laid by so many girls. I searched the internet trying to find information about him. I became a member on his website and read every one of his posts. I found the pictures there also and still did not believe it was all true. There were just too many girls. While on tour, he gave me a CD containing pics of over 500 girls. He has many more that he didn’t show me. I also read a few bad posts from other PUAs and on other websites that bad mouthed him. I didn’t understand this and the King explained that to me that there have been some arguments about who the best pick up artist is and some people were ganging up on him because of his outlandish sounding claims. The only person who seemed to believe him on the Internet was Cliff. I know that this guy gets laid everyday. That is pretty damn great. There were doubts and I played it smart. The turning point about my decision to meet him when I read an old document in my computer called How Hungry ARE you? It asked would you even consider wasting one minute of your short life? I was wasting time. In business school, I learned the time value of money and would not waste any time meeting him. I would do whatever it took. Money, travel, lack of faith, a foreign country would not stop me.
On October 21, my journal entry was just one sentence: Do I meet the King?
I emailed the King a few times over the next month but did not get a response back until Nov 20th. I almost could not go because it was so late and would cost too much. I didn’t know if I would be able to book a hotel and flight. If he sent that email any later, then I probably would not be writing this today. He was so busy picking up girls that he didn’t even have time to check his email. I told him that I had a vacation coming up on December 9-18 and that I wanted to meet him. We made plans to meet up for a week. I decided to book a hotel at a 4 star resort and I made a reservation there to limit my losses in case it did not work out since I had never met Elvis. If the King was a fake, then I still could live it up at my beach resort. I still didn’t believe in the King. The night before leaving I had only 2 hours of sleep because I was so excited. My plane was delayed and I got sick going down there. I still thought I would be staying most of the time at the hotel by myself. When I finally arrived, however, it was paradise. The hotel was beautiful, a huge pool, great food and drinks, and smiling staff. The girls at the pool were just dreamy and were walking around in beautiful swimsuits with a lot of skin showing. After checking in, the hotel clerk gave me a message from Elvis. As I was leaving, he asked me if I knew Elvis. It was said in a tone that said that he knew him and his reputation. I told him that we have never met but would be meeting soon. He knew Elvis and he just gave me a big smile, one of congratulations and you are going to have fun. Hmm. The hotel is over two hours from his house and wondered how well known Elvis is. However, for the next three days I was sick from the plane ride and just ended up hanging out at the pool. He called daily with messages but I didn’t communicate with him. Then finally, we talked and made plans to see each other for the next five days.
Day 1
He picked me up in front of the hotel. I knew his picture from seeing him on his webpage. We chatted and got to know each other. He talked mostly and I listened and learned. He told me about where he grew up and his job and occupation. He told me about Hollywood parties he had attending and how he had met the president. As we were driving, he saw a group of girls walking on the road. I said that they are cute and immediately he pulls over to talk to them. He gets all four girls in the backseat and starts moving. We find out that they are too young and so we let them off a few miles down the road. This happened within 30 minutes of him picking me up. We finally arrive at his house and he goes in for a minute and then we are off again. He tells me that we are going to the Bachelor pad for a girl. On the way over, he is driving down the road and we see another hot girl. He pulls over to the curb and is blocking traffic. He talks to the girl and brings her over to the window to meet me. Next, over comes her mother who is talking to her daughter and Elvis. She didn’t want the daughter to go with us. Elvis handled this and was able to exchange phone numbers with the mother’s approval. Never have I heard or seen something like that before. The girl was ready to come with us but he made some excuse and we drive off after exchanging phone numbers because we had business at hand.
When we finally get to the pad, we walk in and there is a girl waiting for me. Her name is Florentine. I was excited by this young beautiful girl, who was at least a 9 or a 10. She is there with his wingman. We make introductions and talk for a while and take some pictures. He gives me instructions: Go in the room and get undressed and wait on the bed. They also make sure that I have protection. They talked with her in the other room and big me up. She enters. She had long black hair and nice creamy skin. She was a big C cup and had a very nice ass. She comes over to the bed and we start kissing. She notices the bed is without sheets. I tell Elvis about this and we plan to buy sheets and towels at the store. I started by rubbing my dick in her pussy. Then I stroked and fingered her and she started to moan and get more turned on. I massaged her G-spot as I continued to stimulate her clitoris with my tongue. I took my time and let her response guide me. After 3 hours of making love, doing it doggy style, on top, missionary, and both giving oral, and a few other favorite positions, I come out to the King and the chauffeur. They were relieved that it went so well. They were concerned I would be done in a few minutes. They were very happy that it went off great and that there were no problems. I was glad that I didn’t punk either. They were like this with every woman. They wanted it to be the best and to have no problems with any of them. I wanted to go on longer since I like long sessions but it was already dark and I needed to get back to the hotel. They had other girls lined up for me that night but I had to turn them down due to lack of time. Most of my lovemaking sessions lasted this long for awhile. I wasn’t going for numbers at first and wanted quality. I decided after the second day that I could have both numbers and quality if I shortened the sex. When I arrive back to the hotel, I saw the man who gave me the message the first day. He gave me the nod and just smiles as I walked by. He knew the fun that I had that day by my smile.
Day 2
They next afternoon, Elvis picks me up at the hotel and then we go back right over to the bachelor pad with no stops. It is 2pm. We get to his place and they had a singer, another 10. Same routine, meet and then I leave while they talk with the girl in the other room. A very attractive girl and who was wearing tall pink boots. She was so much fun and it was the best sex ever. She really knew how to fuck! The chauffeur knew this girl and said her family has a great reputation for being the best lovers. Something about having been a singer, a performer and she was a fine girl. She started off with a little show, some singing and dancing. She slowly spread her legs and put my face between her sweet pussy. It was clean shaven and smelled and tasted so good. She just then took over. She sucked my cock for nearly ten minutes and I thought that I would go in her mouth. She sucked my balls and stroked me all the while. She licked my nipples and then sucked on me long and hard. She took all of me in her mouth. I thought I would come again. I did orgasm but did not cum. I kissed and sucked on her nipples. I was focused stayed hard. I told her that I want to fuck her and she got on top. I wish she wore those boots while she rode me. She worked slowly at first then took me in deep. I then got on top and gave it to her hard. I tried a few other creative and freaky positions and then we went back to her on top. When I finally came, my load went all over her and she let out a scream and a laugh. She went into the bathroom to wash up and I got a look at her fine ass once again. I waited for her for a few minutes and wanted to go with her again as I was still hard as a rock and wanted to fuck again. But, she was already almost dressed and she put on those pink boots up to her knees which just made her look like a rock star. I hope she makes it with her singing. After this 3 hour session, we come out and my hair was a total mess. My hair is a little on the long side and Elvis told me that I looked like Elvis Presley. He says the girls like it a little long. Elvis Presley was rumored to have bad bed hair. They really got a kick out of my hair. The chauffeur takes the girl home while we waited at the bachelor pad. Oh yeah, one more thing: Elvis went and also had a girl during this time. I saw her when she came out. She was a 10 and very young. I would say only 18. I talk with Elvis and he gave me advice about girls and about his attitude with them. He told me about his system and that he treats it very seriously and like a business. He tells me he doesn’t waste time when he does approaches or dating. He goes in with confidence and a smile. He says he would take his special girls on vacations when he has the money. He tells me about the time when he drove his Ferrari and had two bisexual girls in Miami, a black and white chick. He knew this was my fantasy and wanted to make it happen for me. He showed me pictures of some famous people from Hollywood and Miami, including Charlie Sheen, President Clinton, Sylvester Stallone, and others who I forgot their names. He tells me about eating right and taking vitamins. He takes Saw Palmetto for his prostate and Maca for sexual energy. He doesn’t take Viagra either. I tell him about exercising his PC muscle so that he is able to last longer, shoot more, and have harder erections. He doesn’t know about this but doesn’t seem really to have a problem. I tell him that I am able to have an orgasm with out cumming and can have sex 4 times a day and still get hard for long periods. I also take vitamins and especially vitamin C and l-arginine for sexual power and stamina and to increase volume. He doesn’t smoke except for an occasional cigar with close friends. I picked up some up so we could smoke one while we were there. He rarely drinks and get drunk very fast after only 1 or 2. He takes care of himself so that he can go at it with different girls everyday.
The King told me how he got his nickname which happened one day when 7 girls were trying to get in the bachelor pad for a date. One girl climbed the 7 foot tall fence to get inside and the chauffeur named him the King because of this and then started calling him Elvis Presley King. They changed the middle name a little to Preston to differentiate him from the original Elvis. Also, he was handing out so many phone numbers that he had to change his name.
The chauffeur finally comes back we are off to pick up another girl. We drive over to her house and out walks this girl to whom I am immediately attracted. I tell them that she looks like Jennifer Lopez. The girl's name is Jasmine. Elvis doesn’t know who J Lo is but the chauffeur knew and laughed. He told me later the next day that he has another girl for me who looks even more like J Lo. When we get back to the pad, we make introductions and chat for awhile. I leave to the bedroom and get undressed. I remember thinking now that I had made a wise decision to come down. I also knew that I was wasting time going back to the hotel. I was happier with Elvis and my girlfriends than at my all-inclusive resort on the beach. So I decided to stay the last three days at the bachelor pad.
When the girl finally enters, we start kissing. She could really kiss and had a J Lo ass. As I was screwing her with her on top, I thought that I could bounce a quarter off it and hit the ceiling. She was sweet and had a very tight pussy. I liked that and could feel her orgasm. I tried to find out what she likes and she seemed to like to be on top. I could see her eyes and hair. She smiled a lot during love making and that really turned me on. I finally came hard in her. I rolled over and needed a shower. We wanted to take a shower together but couldn’t figure how to run the water. We both liked how each other had fucked and I told them afterwards that I would like to see her again. They said that it wouldn’t be a problem if I liked her and we did see her again later in the week. We went to a club to dance but things didn’t work out with her because her mom wanted her to come home. The chauffeur had another girl as a backup and I ended up having sex with her within an hour of dropping the other girl off.
Day 3:
We are driving to get lunch and Elvis sees a hot girl. Elvis didn’t wait a second and goes over to talk to her. He was pumping gas when he saw this girl and he had to run to catch her, leaving the gas still pumping. He was ready since he had a pen and paper handy to exchange phone numbers. He writes his phone number on it. It was going to be a hard one because he had to walk up from behind and could tell she was in a hurry and that she would be a hard catch. He chatted with her and exchanged phone numbers within 3 minutes. She was attracted to him but showed some resistance. He did get to make a good connection, though. We stop for a big Mac, and notice that the dealership next door had a bright yellow Corvette parked that was for sale. I noticed it since I like fast cars and then Elvis told me that he still has a Ferrari, and other cars still parked in storage. Not much use for this type of car there since the roads suck and the drivers are even worse.
On the way back to the pad, Elvis is driving and is looking for girls to talk to. He stops when he sees a target. He jumps out of the car and approaches with confidence and smiles. We probably hit on at least 10 girls within a few hours. We stop at the pharmacy to exchange some money, and we are off to the bachelor pad. As we are driving, we see a pretty girl who has a very distinctive face and we decide to stop. We chat her up, and in 30 seconds, he has her in the car. We get back to the bachelor pad and I decided that while she has a very distinctive face I am not that into her. He tells me that if I don’t like a girl, then I don’t have to have her. So Elvis goes to the bedroom. I go back to the living room and the wingman chats the girl up. Finally, the girl goes for the King. I wait and talk with his wingman and I get to know about him. He speaks 7 languages and is very intelligent, street smart and has been working in the country in the tourist business since he was a little kid. He knows how to handle many different situations and sometimes gets the King out of trouble with the girls. He tells me a story about the old bachelor pad and how they got in to some trouble because of the amount of girls coming and going all the time and taxis dropping off and picking up girls all night and day. The neighbors were not happy and so they needed to move to the current location. While we are talking, the phone is ringing constantly with girls calling for us. He is telling the girls about me and they want a chance to meet me. He has a notebook two inches thick, filled with so many names and numbers of girls it's crazy. He had a stack of new names and numbers from the week that he was taking out from his pockets and now he wants to get them into the pipeline. While we talked, he was on the phone making and setting up dates. He is pretty good with the ladies. He uses the bachelor pad for some girls but has a special girl that he sees more often. He has cash flow problems at times with the King but is with him in good times and bad. It would hard to find someone that good and or even train someone to do the things that the wing can accomplish with girls.
When Elvis is done, we take the girl and drop her off. Next they put all their focus on me to make me happy. It is only about 4pm and Elvis had his girl for the day and is ready for another. We go out to dinner and have a few drinks. We chat up some girls and they all want Elvis. After a few hours, we find go out and pick up another girl. She is a hot number, another 9. She was barely 18 and I could not believe how hot she was. Her eyes were beautiful and one of the cutest faces of all the girls I saw while there. My friends saw her picture and could not believe how beautiful this doll was. We make it back to the pad and I make love to her. When she saw my johnson, she made a big OH. She made a gesture on her stomach and held up two hands to measure. I don’t know why she acted like this because I don’t think I am big at all. She was worried that I would hurt her but I made her feel safe. They will all say that anyway. She is young and very tight. It was hard for me to enter her and she was too dry so I took out some lubricant that I had brought with. She didn’t know what I was doing and I did my best to communicate with her since she didn’t speak English. I used all non-verbal communication since it is about 93% of all communication anyway. I put some on myself and then gave it to her to try. This was is my favorite brand, a milky cream that stays slippery longer than the average lubricant. I purchased it from a local pharmacy in my home town and hopefully they won’t discontinue it. It reminds me of the Seinfeld "sponge-worthy" episode. Elaine wouldn’t use her sponges until she determines if the guy was sponge worthy because the brand of sponge was discontinued and she will eventually run out. I also had Astroglide which is great and I left it in the bachelor pad. Both brands are safe to use with condoms. She rubbed it all over her pussy and then put some more on me. Then she got more attracted and turned on and then jumped me pretty hard. It was much easier now as she was slippery and wet. She thought it was great and I watched her eyes roll back in her head and her leg muscles tighten up. She came pretty fast and I came shortly after. I always use a good American brand condom and I won’t do it bareback.
We dropped her off and go to find another girl. In a few hours, we have another 8 for me for the night. She was cute, and young, maybe 18. I was a fast-dog and wasn’t too creative with this one. I fucked her on top and then crashed for some much needed sleep. This has been the best group of girls in my life. I am too spoiled. By day 3, I am up to 5 girls.
Day 4
The girls are coming and going so fast that I don’t remember their names. We are talking to so many girls and getting so many phone numbers. He is doing street pick ups, some 3 minutes and other 15 seconds. He approached a girl who had more than 5 friends around them. He talked and got to exchange phone numbers with her. We then went into another store where he approached a girl and she rejected him. I could tell that it hurt and he let out a little on her and told her that it was her loss. Elvis is not used to much rejection. He said that it should have been handled differently but it was over and on to the next girl. We were walking down the street and he sees a girl who was smoking hot. We were going to approach her but then he stopped and hesitated and I thought we would lose her or that he had fear. What happened to the King? I then saw that she had a boyfriend. He told me he does not try to pick up girls with boyfriends. He says that the guy worked his ass off for that girl and he would feel bad if he tried to steal her. I found that very respectful and quite a gentlemanly thing to do. Still, he is a bad boy. He went in to the grocery store for some food. I saw a girl with a unique face that I thought was cute. He got to exchange phone numbers with her and then one of his adopted family members comes along. She embarrassed him and said something about his big gut and about him being a womanizer. She said good things about me and the girl just smiled at me and Elvis. His ex-girlfriend was with us and when he saw her later he called her ugly. His ex girlfriend is very cute and could be a model - she has a most beautiful face and smile. She was not my type and we just moved on.
After that, we saw a model for a wine display. Those can be very hard to approach and can just be stand off-ish. She was a 10 for sure, and she took his phone number.
I remember THE APPROACH that just shocked me. I was walking with him when he saw a girl enter a bank. When I turned around he had crossed the street and was talking to her. She was young and cute, maybe 20 years old. I could not cross yet but watched the whole thing. I was standing with 5 guys and all their attention was drawn over to what was happening. Elvis was creating such an attraction with this girl and everyone could see it and just had their mouths open wide. It was like all the energy on that street corner was focused and drawn to Elvis and this girl. It took less than three minutes and we were off after exchanging numbers. You can’t explain the feeling but being there was just like something so powerful and animalistic. He makes something so hard look so easy. In that regard, all the greatest are the same.
Elvis had a girl in the afternoon. The girl had some pretty big tits, at least a D cup and a great face. Her ass was big but sexy still. As we were driving her and her girlfriend back, they were smiling at me and the girlfriend leaned over from the front seat and starting making out with me. Elvis later told me that his girl wanted to kiss me but I didn’t. There were some vibes about a threesome with them for sure. Elvis and the chauffeur said that is could be arranged if not with them but with someone else. This day was the best day for numbers so far. I had 4 girls that day and it was just all mixed up. For the girls that I did have, I had thought that I would be able to remember them all. By now, I am up to 9 girls. I decided and told Elvis that I wanted 17 girls for the week. They were confident that it would not be a problem. My dream was to have sex with a 10 white girl and a 10 black girl. They did have it set up and were ready to deliver. I was turning down more dates and the only reason that it might not happen was due to a lack of time. Elvis now had his sex for the day and wanted to get me some action. We went into town to get some supplies and again we hit on many girls. I saw a 10 and Elvis said yes you are right and he approached her. He was talking to her and exchanging phone numbers when her sister comes along. He had to act fast now and he got the girl and the sister's name. He somehow made a small mistake with his phone number and had to recover fast and just moved along. He had practiced this before but told me that when you are doing pickups that you have to adjust if something comes up.
As were walking back from the store, we see two girls and Elvis jumps and approaches them. We are walking and one of them is very good looking. They both wanted him and I was somewhat attracted to the second girl. He gets them in the car and we run over to the house. The chauffeur wings and I go in the back room. Elvis is also talking to them. I didn’t want the first girl at that time. Then suddenly, something happened. In walks the first girl and I think that I want her. The wing smiles and says Go for it. The girls are all confused about where to go but are having a blast running around from room to room. Elvis finally grabs his girl and takes her to his room and I get my girl. We make love and I shit a blast all over her, which I usually don’t like to do unless I can tell she would enjoy it. She could not speak English but did say Oh God!!! when I came. I fool around with her some more and then take some nude pictures which was her idea. When we get in the car to take her home she was all smiles and made gestures about taking photos. I took about 30 photos of this 10!
Now they had a special surprise in store for me that night. When we got back to the pad, the Chauffeur had picked up the most beautiful dream girl. Elvis had picked her up for me earlier. Her name is Maria. I nickname her Maria, Maria. She looked like she just walked off a model shoot at a beach. She wore a very short white skirt showing her long legs that went up to my chest, about 5’8". She had a nice hot ass. She wore a flower in her hair and smelled like roses. She walked and stood like a Maxim centerfold. I took one look at her and knew she was a model. They confirmed it, and it turned out that she is the top model in the city. They winged hard for me and we chatted for awhile. She is over the top gorgeous, a 12. They big me up and say the magic words. I leave to the bedroom. I am so freaking excited and wonder what is taking so long. After what seemed like an hour, (it was less than 10 minutes) I get a knock on the door and they tell me to get dressed because we have to drop her off. They told me that she was on her period and I don’t have to make love with her if I didn’t want to do it. I passed on this one. It was disappointing and had a feeling it was an excuse. The Playmate slipped away. At least, I have pictures posing with her. They tell me not to worry and this is what happens in real life with real women. We drop this model off. It wasn’t at her house but in the street and she had to walk across a 4 lane highway to catch a cab. I asked them why we were not taking her to her place. They laughe and Elvis told me that guys were probably spending hundreds of dollars on this girl and probably only getting a peck on the cheek. We talked about it later at the bar and they agreed that she just probably made it up but they were not sure why. That was a pretty big one to tell someone but they said this is real life and that is what you will encounter. I told them she was very hot and that I really want to see her again. They made a plan to do their best to try to talk to her again. She did have to go to a model shoot the next day and they weren’t sure she would be available, but it would be a great story to tell people about Maria, Maria.
Elvis doesn’t like bars much and went home early. At the bar, I saw the skills of the wing. He talked to so many girls and was cool with the ladies and staff. We met girls, danced, and listened to the band playing. We met up with a waitress that we talked to a few nights ago. We chatted and got her phone number. After the bar, we picked up a girl for me to sleep with for the night. Her tits were big and she was spilling out of her shirt, a large D cup, nice round perfectly natural tits. She was a great girl to spend the night with with an awesome twat that was the warmest and slipperiest that I had ever fucked. After fucking for an hour, I passed out. Now I am up to 10 girls.
Day 5
I wake up in the morning to her smiling face and her running her hands in my hair. It was nice kissing first thing in the morning with a sweetie. I really enjoyed having her stay the night and it was nice to cuddle. She was in a hurry though and I kiss her goodbye as we have to drop her off. We drive to pick up the car at the autobody shop as the windshield was being repaired from an accident earlier in the week. We leave and pick up Elvis in town, who had met an attractive, tall college student and they jump in the car. He didn’t like the repair that had been done because his is very meticulous and keeps his cars polished and clean at all times. Driving girls around in a filthy vehicle would give him an ulcer. We leave the wingman and take the girl home. We take some pictures with her and exchange phone numbers and email.
We have to go back to the hotel to check out since I will be leaving the next day. On the way back to the hotel, the wingman calls and Elvis discusses the plan for later. I knew I would be leaving the island soon and would miss all the girls. I thought about Maria and inquired if they were having any luck. I thought my chances were poor. The wing was striking out but Elvis gave him instructions to get moving. It was a long two hour drive back to the hotel and thought about how things would be ending here soon. It was 90 degrees and sunny outside but I felt gloom. I wanted to stay and wished for another few months at least. It was a rough ride with the terrible roads and drivers and I was getting car sick and thought I would hurl. When we get back to the hotel, the wing called saying that Maria was no where and it was looking slim. Elvis tried to cheer me up saying there are so many more. We smoked a cigar and had a beer in my ocean view room. I was feeling better though after getting out of the car and being buzzed from the cigar.
Suddenly, the phone rings and Elvis smiles. Maria wants me tonight. WOW! Holy Mother you’re kidding me! The wing had been calling her all day and looking for her around the city. He finally drove to her house to talk to her. I have my juices back.
It was a fast check out and then back to town to meet my dream. Elvis weaved past trucks and tried not to get pulled over for speeding or having an accident. She is going to meet me later and we race so as not to let her slip away. Elvis leaves me alone at the bachelor pad. He didn’t want too many people around when she arrives. I wait.
The wing brings her home finally and we talk in the living room. She is one smoking girl and very lovely. She is not as dressed up as the night before and is wearing jeans and a nice shirt. I like the thought of those long legs in her tight jeans and want them wrapped around me. The wing had talked to her about last night and tells me that she had made it up and was scared away by too many people around. I leave to the bedroom and wait for her. He comes in and goes to the bathroom. She comes out dressed in a sexy red hipster panties and a plunging strapless bra. She had a star tattoo around her belly and looked like a Victoria Secret girl.
She starts off by giving me head. She knelt in front of me and tongues my frenulum. Would this be the quickest that I ever got off in my life? She went and got the condom and put it on me. By this time, I was wondering if the whole thing would be five minutes. She softly leaned me on my back. She got on top facing me and put her feet and hands on the bed and squatted over me. She used her hands to move up and down slowly. She was pretty wet and I was pretty happy looking at her soft body and pussy. What a great view! She then moves from this and then leans over and takes control. We move very slowly for a few minutes so I don’t cum. I decided to try a different approach since she didn’t like it too soft. I try it harder and she liked it a little rough. I turn her over and do it missionary style and I have my first orgasm but without cumming. We are both heated up by now and she had to take a break. She goes to the bathroom and then she has to answer her cell phone. I am having a great time and look at her while she is talking. I smile and wish she would hurry. I can’t communicate with her and this caused a little problem but I was able to handle it. She comes back and gives me oral using by kneeling against the edge of the bed. She sucks me again and I then grab another condom and then get on top. It was pretty quick, a shorter session than usual but I really loved the oral and the rougher part. It was great to have had a model. She was hard to get and figure out and this was the best memory in my life.
I come out and the wing is waiting for us. I am grinning from ear to ear. I had made love with Maria. I am very happy as we take her home. It went great and she asks for my email so she can send more pictures. That would be great too and I still have the ones that we took from the first night.
Next, Elvis enjoys his girl and they try to get me another girl but I just want to enjoy Maria for a few hours. It is pretty late and we all finally turn in. We pick up a doll, another 9 for the night and I sleep like a baby. In the morning, she wakes me up kissing me and running her hands through my hair. We are all smiles. We drop her off and then we grab a good American breakfast with coffee. I have to leave to go to the airport in a few hours and he is getting me a send off girl.
The wing drives me around and he tells me he is going to pick up Maria. I was shocked!! How could this happen to me again? I am the luckiest man alive. He tells me to look across the street.
It is not the model Maria but a different girl from another time. I was just as happy and we went over to the pad for the last time. Her face was super cute and a hot ass. We did it with her on top the whole time. She was so pleased and tired after she came, that she fell asleep on my chest.
The wing has to take her back. Before he goes, I tell him how much fun it was and the best experience of my life. I tell him the number was 13 and we just ran out of time. He did not disappoint me and was glad we got to know each other so well and I tell him that I am planning another longer trip.
I pack my bag in the car and drive off with Elvis to the airport. I had found what I came for and had some great surprises.
Conclusion:
As I finished writing this report, the radio is playing Madonna’s song "Hung Up"
Time goes by so slowly……
Every little thing that you say or do
I'm hung up
I'm hung up on you
Waiting for your call
Baby night and day
I'm fed up
I'm tired of waiting on you
Time goes by so slowly for those who wait
No time to hesitate
Those who run seem to have all the fun
I'm caught up
I don't know what to do
Time goes by so slowly……..
I don't know what to do…….
For those who don’t know what to do, then contact the King at dateplaymate@yahoo.com.au. Cliff's Comment: Stay tuned for Part Two, where I tell of my trip to meet the King and see for myself if all of this is true and, if so, try and explain how he is doing what he does.
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LAIR SECTION (Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at http://dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at http://www.bristollair.com, as well as at http://www.seductionlair.com:
A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/RunningaPUAgroup/
HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Sunday January 29 at 8 pm is the next Lair meeting. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings.
The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.
Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):
MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.
THE TORONTO LAIR
The Greater Toronto Area Lair Goes by the acronym for TOronto PUAS (TOPS) and has been going from success to success lately. There have been great talks by local PUAs who are regulars on Clifford's list, great outings, and membership continues to grow.
TOPs is open to men (and women) at all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist. Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know - and a commitment to test what you learn in the real world.
To join the Lair, send a request to: TO_Lair-owner@yahoogroups.com
If you have questions, you can contact the TOPS President, Smooth (cdnglenn@yahoo.ca) or TOPS Webmaster, Pluvio (pluvio69@yahoo.com)
Vancouver Social Board
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/">Yahoo Group ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/"> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ )
Contact Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
SALT LAKE AREA SEDUCTION LAIR
We are an expanding group of guys that are into the material by David DeAngelo and his Dating Gurus, of DYD. And we want to use this group to get/give advice, to share experiences and the results. And to meet up with other guys, so we can go out and work on our game together. A group that is more than just pick up lines, but wants to challenge their inner/outter game, etc... For info, contact j-jacobson@hotmail.com (note new contact person).
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.
EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/
ISRAEL LAIR:
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to http://www.tironut69.com/"> http://www.tironut69.com
DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
A new lair is starting up in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus will be regularly going out and working in the field. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuingthe PUA lifestyle; email Matt on moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is http://wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to SARGE regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at http://dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.dutchseduction.com/"> http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at http://dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.dutchseduction.com/"> http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
NEW DALLAS LAIR FORMED
Dimitry has started the Dallas Wingman Meetup Group, a Dallas-Metro Seduction Lair
Website: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich lair has been setup for RAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR: New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ http://www.nyclair.com/">www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We SARGE regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com/"> http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com/"> http://www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & SARGE, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and SARGE 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ATLANTA:
I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will SARGE from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous SARGE outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR: New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com HOUSTON:
http://www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au
Melbourne Lair: The place, an open shopping center in the heart of the city. I sit down at the food court and wait for familiar faces to arrive. I picked the location of this months meeting of the Melbourne Lair, Its great to have it in an informal place like a food court, sets a nice relaxing mood. Once everybody arrives we push some tables together and start the meeting. We discuss peoples sticking points and offer suggestions, we tell stories of crash and burns and success stories. We just shoot the sh*t, it f*cking great to meet up with like minded people. While telling someone my smurf routine, I see two guys get up from the table and start walking away, I glance back later to see them sitting with a girl, these guys are approach machines.
The meeting goes on way too f*cking long, everybody's got a story to tell, advice to offer, we could talk to each other for days. I feel like this is Ocean's 11 and we are planning the big heist. There is the leader, he started the group. The guru, he's an encyclopedia of info. There is the joker, he can't stop negging and teasing everyone; f*cking Canadians. There's the approach machines, they can't follow the conversation because they are too busy following the nearest piece of ass. There is the SSer, the grease boy and of course Brad Pitt. We all exchange numbers before leaving and make plans for sarging during the week. If there is a Lair in your area, join it, if there isn't, start one of your own. You will not regret it.
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who SARGE regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is http://www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://www.mysterymethod.com/"> http://www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
http://www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at http://www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (http://www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!
The first 2006 seminar is scheduled for LA, Jan 20, 21, 22. Look for more details soon, or call Dr. Yates at 903-482-1034. Price is $1,195. This seminar is ONLY open to those who own a Speed Seduction Home Study Course so you better hop on line and buy one now if you don't already have one and plan on attending.
Speed Seduction Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
Los Angeles, CA March 10, 11, 12
London, England September 15, 16, 17
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
Hawaii (Location - Tentative) October 22 thru 26
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England Sept 8, 9, 10
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Major Mark (http://www.trucor.com):
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to http://www.trucor.com
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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality
A home study course by David Shade http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out at http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> http://www.alphalover.com . Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> http://www.alphalover.com
"The Seduction End-Game"
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Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer (http://www.seduceandconquer.com) CD disks present Payton's unique, dynamic style of meeting and seducing women. His methods are very natural and are the epitome of the original advice you get - tease and take away, play hard to get, etc. Definitely worth checking out, but not for everyone.
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Due to popular demand , Learn from the resident Sexpert How to be Outrageously Successful With the Opposite Sex and How to naturally let the game come to you. An intensive 1 on 1 personalized bootcamp taught to you by the East Coast's #1 Personal Dating Coach and Mentor. For more info go to http://www.youaresoinmyway.com
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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out http://www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on SARGEs, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing sh*t tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good s*ex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/"> http://www.badboylifestyle.com
You can book your workshop on: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/?badboy=workshops
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Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! http://www.seductionlair.com/
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