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Carlos Xuma ( www.alphaconfidence.com ):
Practical vs. Classical
There's this ongoing debate in the community over the use of 'strategies' or 'techniques' with women. One corner holds that to do anything INTENTIONAL (i.e. display higher value, neg-hit, C&F, whatever) means that you're just not doing it right. They feel you need to come from high self-esteem right off the starting blocks. To use techniques means that you're manipulating and coming from the wrong frame.
But if the "natural" does these things (DHV, neg-hits, teasing, C&F) then it's okay, after all, he's just doing it ... uh... naturally. Hmm. In the other corner is the belief that we must HAVE the techniques to learn. We gotta have all the cool openers, and cold reading skills, and cube games, and kino gambits. The more techniques we use, the more we can get the women we want. I'll fake it 'til I make it, the Eager Learner says. But we also know that without that grounding of self-confidence and self-image, these techniques lose their effectiveness, their sizzle. In the Martial Arts, there's the principle of "Classical" vs. "Practical." Allow me to explain: In "Classical," you do the forms, the Katas, and all your techniques by-the-book. Very little consideration is given for "real world" or "Street fighting." You simply do the techniques precisely, even if they don't make much practical sense. (This is one of the problems Bruce Lee had reconciling all the various arts and what sent him looking for his Tao of Jeet Kune Do.)
And, on the other side, "Practical," where you throw formality to the wind and do whatever works. You modify the technique to fit the situation You use whatever makes sense for that situation, even if it defies the rules of the Martial Arts.
I practice an art that balances these two mindsets. You learn the 'classical' so that you have good form and technique. Then you learn the practical (sparring) to apply it. BOTH are necessary.
I had all kinds of ego-boys come into my studio and tell me that forms and Katas are useless because they aren't "real" fighting. They are missing the point that without basics and disciplined principles, you're just going to fall back on poorly developed responses.
Sound familiar?
The truth is, whether we're talking about Classical vs. Practical, or Inner Game vs. Outer Game, or Techniques vs. Natural, we need BOTH.
Walk up to any newbie in this field who's just trying to hold on by his fingertips, and tell him "Sorry, you shouldn't be doing this until your self-esteem is higher. When you're in that mindset, you'll be more successful." Yeah. Right. Thanks, dude.
The Eager Learner needs techniques to bridge the gap from wherever he is to wherever he's going. From X self-confidence to X+20 self-confidence. It's easy for some of us to just look down from above and proclaim, "When you have OUR frame, you'll feel the inner game, too! Until then, you are a Bad Man for trying to come from where we do." (Imagine that spoken with lots of echo and a deep voice like James Earl Jones...)
As Cliff said so well, that's a great concept, but it doesn't do anyone ANY good because there's nothing to USE. Great essay, but useless in practice. Instead, start talking more about how to ACHIEVE this state, and now we've got something applicable.
Otherwise, we've got a chicken-and-the-egg situation. I need to use the techniques to build my confidence, but I can't use the techniques right until I GET the confidence.
Ugh. Me Brain Hurrrrrrt.
Throw a bunch of tools at the feet of some would-be carpenter and he'll be making crappy wood projects for quite some time. Make him read a dozen books on the subject and "imagine" the belief system of a master wood worker and he'll STILL be making crappy wood projects for quite some time.
Give him those same tools AND some knowledge and understanding of what each is for and why it works (yes, the same tools the master carpenters use), and now he has a roadmap AND a compass to get where he wants to go. (Excuse my mixed metaphor.) Pretty soon, those wood projects he's made aren't going to suck as bad.
He practices, he gets better, his confidence rises. He starts becoming "natural."
Let's not fall into thinking in black & whites, absolutes. The mature mind thinks in grays, just like the gray matter that conceived the thoughts. Balance in all things. Learn to live in the uncomfortable world of "no absolutes." Human interaction is an organic entity, unpredictable. You need places to steady your boat.
One of the theories I teach is called "Pendulum theory." Simply stated, it means that all behaviors must go through extreme fluctuations before settling into equilibrium.
Pickup and at-traction is no different. On one side is "fake it"; on the other is arrogance. In between is relaxed confidence.
On one side is all technique; on the other is "be yourself". In between is your (eventual) natural style. A guy's gotta learn what the technique is, what it does, and how it works.
He uses it and gets a little success, and his confidence goes up. Now, all of a sudden, he FEELS the difference. Maybe he uses a hundred different little techniques. Great. Eventually, he will get the confidence that removes his dependency from having to DHV, neg-hit, or any other of our useful techniques for getting the right mindset and Frame.
The harsh reality is that confidence CANNOT be obtained in a vacuum. It is not a state of BEING as much as it is a state of DOING. Confidence is demonstrated through ACTION. And it is also BUILT through ACTION.
As long as the Eager Learner or would-be Don Juan comes from a place of Alpha Man Power - Honor, Strength, Courage, Values - then I say he can use all the damn techniques he likes.
Party on, Wayne. But remember that the pendulum will - MUST - come to rest somewhere in the gray area of balance and equilibrium.
Without balance, there is no 'Game,' and no lasting success. It's one of the unwritten universal laws.
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Interview: The Asian Playboy:
(Reposted from NLLounge.nl Lifestyle Lair)
Let's start with the basic question... How did you ever get into the game?
Asian Playboy: I moved to Los Angeles. Had an LTR in college. Most of my hook-ups were through social circles. So when I moved to LA, one of the most hardcore PU places, I realized that I was pretty unprepared for the brutal dating scene. Then I read the article Neil Strauss did on Mystery and became interested. That was, um, almost 4 years ago? I actually lived in LA for around 4 to 5 years. Before I took the plunge and signed up for a Mystery class.
I suppose that was way back, when Mystery was just starting to teach?
Asian Playboy: Yeah. When bootcamps were still $600. I met Style and that was where I met RyanStone, he was taking the first class with me.
And he became your main wingman in LA for the time that followed?
Asian Playboy: Yeah. Him, OCwaterboy, and Geoff. I met OC through Protocol, who was interning at the time with RSD. So there were usually 2 to 5 of us, though Protocol was usually busy interning. Geoff was a wing then he got hired by RSD and got really busy.
Are there any other 'big names' that you've sarged with?
Asian Playboy: NaturalJ, he dated Britney Spears for a short time. He wasn't a PUA, but he knew about the community. They invited him to stay at Project Hollywood, because he was a male model who probably fucked more girls than anyone in the house. They wanted to see how his Game was and so forth. And I went surfing with Style. Etc.
The game you discuss on your blog seems to have a big influence from the game that Mystery teaches. Do you have any other influences?
Asian Playboy: BadBoy/Shark. RSD I guess, though theirs also came from Mystery. Met BadBoy in Croatia. Didn't meet Shark, but OC did. All cool guys.
Did you ever follow workshops from other so-called "guru's"? With that I mean PU teachers like David D, Badboy, The_one, Juggler, PlayboyLA, etc.
Asian Playboy: Read David D's first ebook. Met The One and PlayboyLA. Didn't learn from them, per se, but if they posted on masf, I usually read it.
Okay, lets move from the names to some content. Do you have a main philosophy behind your game?
Asian Playboy: Obviously I have an Asian perspective on things and know how difficult it can be and how difficult some Asian guys make it extra harder on themselves. My own style is a reflection of Mystery's indirect with BadBoy/Shark direct. I typically open with a situational opener that I came up with on the spot, usually good energy and humour, followed with very direct body language and going direct when I see the time is right and my attraction radar is pinging away.
Is the game you practice the same as the game you teach?
Asian Playboy: It's definitely similar. It also depends on the guy. As I put forth in my Syllabus, which I was just talking to Formhandle about, it's tailored and depends on the student's level. If a guy can't hold a genuine conversation then we go with baby steps. Maybe a pre-canned story from his life; I don't encourage using other people's canned stuff. More advanced guys, of course, can be more genuine and situational.
But there is a basic format that I teach that I call the ABCs of Attraction.
A Approach
B - Buying Temperature
C Comfort
D - Direct Interest
E - Escalate & Extract
F - Fuck/Fun!
That's a clear format. Can you tell me more about your syllabus?
Asian Playboy: theasianplayboy.blogspot.com/2006/02/seduction-workshops-course-syllabus.html
Formhandle was telling me, there isn't really anything like it. Juggler has something similar, but not to that great detail. I thought it was a good way to put transparency and accountability into the industry. We don't have any regulating body like the movie industry does or like the video game industry. So you have a lot of variance in what's taught and what's expected. I'm not going to name names, but I spoke with a client who was coming off a different bootcamp as well as a lairmate, and apparently one guru doesn't even sarge at night... he just sends in his student instructors. After the lecture, that guru went back to the hotel.
Just to have clarity about it, your workshops are not specifically aimed at Asians but for all people and as your syllabus indicates, you have a special inner game part of the workshop for minorities. Do you think your workshops offer more value for (Asian) minorities than other workshops out there?
Asian Playboy: In a word, yeah. I think a lot of Asian men have difficulty with it. Not all men, obviously, but there is a significant proportion. Some of it is due to simply Inner Game, dealing with prejudice and racism growing up. Some of it is external, like getting physically assaulted by racists. I empathize with that and my clients know this. So I've been told that the reason they come to me is because I offer more understanding and camaraderie than the other camps. It's hard for some minorities to emulate, let's say, a six foot tall, good looking white man.
True. And there might be (as Shark and Badboy put it) society-programmed excuses in their head that tells them that they cannot be like a six foot tall, white guy.. ?
Asian Playboy: That too. Though in fairness, how does a 6" tall, good looking white guy understand and socially deprogram someone who's dealt with racism his entire life, when he himself benefits from that system and never once had to deal with either racist AMOGs/HBs?
Well, I know there are guys out there who have trouble approaching ethnic minorities. I myself actually had inner game problems regarding black and Arabic girls. Is there a word of advice you offer to anyone scared to approach someone because of their race?
Asian Playboy: Realize that there will be some differences. I mean, attraction is attraction no matter the race, but some ethnic minorities tend to range in how they're used to being approached ranging from the "Holler Holler!" direct approach of African Americans to the more subtle, indirect social circle approach favoured by Asian American girls. And of course, the bigger the set, the more likely they are to conform to their sub-culture and the expectations placed on them (i.e. sticking to their own race).
I was out sarging with an Asian guy, nicknamed Omni, a while ago. He commented that Asian girls are usually more quiet/shy than Dutch girls (white girls) and approaching them in their own language is a huge advantage. Would you agree to this (in the broad sense, there are always exceptions, of course)?
Asian Playboy: Yeah. Depends though. It's hard to explain, but as an Asian guy always out in the field... I can typically tell when an Asian female (AF) wants only white males (WM) or when an AF likes Asian males (AM). Call it a vibe thing or attraction radar... each girl sort of puts out a vibe of who she'd like to approach them. And knowing anyone's language is a huge plus. I know a few phrases in Ethiopian, German, French, etc. that I picked up while travelling. I like to ask girl what their nationality is and then talk about that culture: white, black, whatever. Knowing the language, even a phrase or two, is a good DHV.
Did learning about PU change your view on life in other words; your life philosophy? And did this change further when you started to actively teach PU?
Asian Playboy: Definitely changed my life. It gave me insight into the social code, the matrix if you will, that underlines male/female interaction. It was like breaking into that hidden mindset of why only certain guys get the girl. From a teacher's perspective, it's like reverse engineering, you have to remember what it was like being a student, but also delve into the student's mindset. While they usually have similar sticking points, some guys have certain areas that they really excel in while other areas are huge obstacles that come from either their inner game or lack of technique. As a teacher, you have to be REALLY aware of not only yourself, the girl, but also the student and how things are working for him and what you can do to improve his learning experience. Teaching and PU are two distinct skill sets and it's been an interesting, fun, and challenging experience so far.
Something that has become more and more prominent in the community is 'lifestyle'. What do you think about this and why do you think that the prominence has increased so much lately?
Asian Playboy: I think it's the natural evolution of the community. As the guys who practiced and teach get better and better, achieving the goals they set for themselves, they than go on to next level. For example, there's been a marked increase in interest in direct style as well as natural/genuine style. That, to me, is a direct representation of the growth of various PUAs as they shed their old ways and embark on new, perhaps better, methods of pick up. I don't think it's a fad, I think it's the seduction community growing up.
How does PU fit into your lifestyle?
Asian Playboy: I'm a business man, traveller, etc. Nowadays, I don't go out expressly to pick up. I mean, I go out quite a bit, but it's typically either to have fun, meet people, and help some of my Dallas wingmen. It's no longer quite that "I must sarge tonight to improve my skillset." It's who I am now... someone who enjoys going out, meeting friends at the bar/club, occasionally meeting a girl, and helping out a bro or two.
Sounds like a healthy way to practice PU. What do you think is the most important lesson you have ever learnt (concerning PU)?
Asian Playboy: Have fun. Seriously. I winged with dozens upon dozens of other newbies in LA. Fresh from taking some bootcamp. They'd have a honeymoon period and then basically burnout, because they took it like a job. This is SUPPOSED to be fun. It's a hard skillset and lifestyle to achieve, sure, but women are supposed to be enjoyable. Flirting is a fun thing to do. Don't treat it like a job and you'll last longer and not burnout like all the other wannabe PUAs.
The other second lesson I learned is that as an Asian man, I can succeed. And do damn well. I learned that when I was in Europe and got laid my first night. All my buddies spent the entire trip catching up to me. Ever since then, I haven't had those limiting beliefs that some Asian men suffer.
Yeah, actually, I was just speaking to LittlePUA (who took your first 1on1 bootcamp) and he said that the most important things he learnt from you are "just do, and your past shouldn't screw what you're doing now and your future".
Asian Playboy: Yeah, I did a 1o1 with him in Toronto. I had done some informal teaching, but that was my first official one.
With the knowledge you have now, would you do the same things if you could re-live the last four years; walk the same path?
Asian Playboy: Well, shit, I'd try and get laid the first day I hit puberty, LOL.
So you're saying getting laid is really not as hard as most guys think it is?
Asian Playboy: One common element amongst most naturals, including NaturalJ, was the ease of their sexuality. It wasn't something that they had to "turn on" or learn. They acquired their skill and attitude early in life... by getting laid earlier than most guys. It acclimated them to women, how women behave, and sex. Men & women have been screwing for time immemorial. IT's NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. Now it CAN be hard for those guys who weren't socially acclimated at an early age. Or guys coming from another country, like some of my FOB students.
FOB?
Asian Playboy: Fresh Off the Boat. Asian guys direct from China, Korea, etc. who don't understand how the American dating scene works.
That must be really interesting to work with.
Asian Playboy: Yeah, had a couple of those. Tough, but interestingly, those are the guys who REALLY push themselves to succeed. They aren't AFRAID of pushing themselves out of their comfort zone. Because they're ALREADY outside of their comfort zone moving to America. So they're willing to learn. It's those Asian American guys who "know" that they can't succeed because they were born here, experienced prejudice, see all the things around, and basically trapped in the societal Matrix and limited beliefs. Those are tougher, even if they were born in America, because they "know" that they can't succeed with women. FOBs don't. They come to America for the "American dream"... even if sane minds tell them it's a quixotic quest, they still come over to succeed and have a better life. They didn't come over here to fail.
Cool. That's beautiful. Hey, I'm going to ask some final questions to round this off. Do you have a favourite routine?
Asian Playboy: Cube. Dance. Flex for me. Probably my most common.
Do you have a particular twist to the cube? Or do you just use the cube and then go with it depending on the situation?
Asian Playboy: I just go with it. Been using Strawberry Fields more, too. Whatever they say, is still the same answer. Very sexual. Learned that from Captain Jack, a PUA wing of mine out here.
Magnus from Bristollair.com told me he uses it on groups to determine who's the best target for him. Do you or CaptainJack use it in that way?
Asian Playboy: Not really. I use it in isolation to switch from the C in Comfort to the D in Direct Interest. It's creating a sexual frame so it becomes easier to go direct because now she's thinking of sex and kissing you, etc.
And would you describe your own game as a mix between Mystery Method and Direct Game (like Badboy's); or would you prefer to describe it differently?
Asian Playboy: Natural Indirect followed with Direct, with influences from MM and BB/Shark. I don't run canned routines like MM does. And I don't use the super direct "You're beautiful" line like Shark (unless she's a lone wolf).
Hmm, I've read some CaptainJack field reports.. As far as I read, he's got a pretty sexual approach to his game (ala Gunwitch maybe?).. Would you say this is true?
Asian Playboy: Jack is a Mystery student as well. Though he's been experimenting with more Natural game ever since I moved to Dallas.
So what's in the future of Asian Playboy?
Asian Playboy: I'm thinking of putting out seduction e-courses with missions as part of my new newsletter. Still contemplating it. I have bootcamps coming up for Canada, California, with reservations in New York, Houston, Dallas, and elsewhere. I'm being profiled in D Magazine, which has something like 700K in circulation, this summer.
D Magazine is a local Dallas mag?
Asian Playboy: Yeah. When it comes out, I'll scan it and put in on my blog, but it won't be for another month or two. If anyone who wants a personalized bootcamp, they can go to my website, fill out an online form, and we can do a free phone consultation. No plans to go outside of the continental America. Though I've got one guy in Australia who wants to see if he can round up some dudes and fly me out there. That would be cool, I've always wanted to go to Australia.
So PU is making your dreams come true on more levels than you originally thought it would?
Asian Playboy: LOL. It's a side business. I'm not doing this full time like the other bigwig gurus. Heck, I'm not even making a lot of money, especially when I chip in for my own flight for 2on1s. I enjoy the experience of helping out my bros, travelling, and the occasional hook-up. But yeah, PU has definitely enriched my life with good friends, women, and an investment in a skillset that will never go away.
Good. Two final questions to round it off. Is there a Miss APB?
Asian Playboy: LOL, no, I've done a 5 year LTR before. I'm not in relationship territory. I prefer to keep it strictly fuck buddy / hook up only. Rotating between 2 to 4, varies with the week and by day. I don't work on it enough and sometimes won't call for weeks on end and then I'll get like a booty call.
Finally, a word of advice to all the guys who have the desire to become a ladies man?
Asian Playboy: Well, like I posted once, you can do this, learn PU without ever paying for a single product: theasianplayboy.blogspot.com/2006/02/what-dating-gurus-dont-want-you-to.html
Bootcamps, DVDs, ebooks, mean NOTHING without field experience. And if you want to succeed with women you have to be PROACTIVE, take charge, and take action. But above all, HAVE FUN.
And anything specifically regarding Asians?
Asian Playboy: I always use the analogy that it's like gravity. For white guys, it's 9.81 m/s^2. For minorities like Asians, it's 9.9 m/s^2. It's a small difference, but it is there no matter what anyone says. But whereas some guys treat it like a 50 pound weight, in actuality it's probably more like 5 to 10 pounds. It's not as big as some AMs like to make out of it. Some of it is real, but a lot is just in their head. Game is the only equalizer. Whether the AMOG is rich, has power, is good looking, tall, and/or white, game lets you step up and compete successfully with everyone else. So don't let negative thinking and societal programming limit you, what you believe you can do, and what you actually do. You never know until you push yourself beyond the boundaries.
Thank you Asian Playboy for being the first interviewee of the monthly NLLounge.nl Lifestyle Lair newsletters!
BG's blog: lifewithbg.blogspot.com/ Netherlands Lifestyle Lounge: www.nllounge.nl/lounge/ Captain Jack www.betheseducer.com And of course, my own: theasianplayboy.blogspot.com
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Rion Williams 'the sage' ( rion@modelmagnet.com www.modelmagnet.com ): When a woman sees you for the first time, you are communicating to her nonverbally before you even speak a word. She is judging you on every detail she can find and if she's not interested in you in the first place you're going to have to talk her into it. And it ALL comes down to her level of attraction for you. Having to 'talk' a woman into being interested in you is such a challenge and often backfires even though it's the default method that men use. If the animal kingdom had to 'learn' or 'be taught' how to attract and mate with their own species, there wouldn't be anything but amoebas in existence today (if that). So dealing with reality today... When 'the game' is played on a (desirable) woman's turf of social power, the favor is already against a man unless he meets her social desires and expectations (which can include riches, good looks, high social status, etc).
She will be judging him on these things because he is playing the game out on the social level. Most men don't have that level of status and for those who do (ie. Jay Z), they wonder if the women are with him just for the money or for him. Most of us just don't have that much money, etc. however by default most PUA's AND nice guys are playing the social game too. In fact about 99.8% of men in our modern societies are. They're using words and operating on her turf and acting as if she's the prize (and indeed she IS socially). It's just something to be aware of. Trying to deny that she is beautiful and has power is near impossible to do. If you could see another reality that is coexistent in which YOU have the favor and her interest your effectiveness and abilities would already start to increase just from the knowledge alone. Trying to defeat her force field on her turf is an extremely tough game that must be learned down to a science especially to account for all the unlimited variables that can go wrong on the hit and run mission. When an 'average guy' approaches and communicates with a woman, she will be judging and interpreting his independent and social character (because he hasn't got much in what matters the most to HER; his natural character).
And she will make the decision to sleep with him or not depending on how she, her mind and her body feels about him. In fact, she will often make up her mind before he even speaks a word. Most guys fail because they're playing the wrong game entirely. They're trying to figure out how to bring down her powerful social persona's defense shields and trigger her interest in them. They're not aware of (or playing) the natural mating dance of sexual attraction instead which is actually just as or more effective now than ever.
This reality exists in men and women beneath the social exterior and she will gauge each man on this level primarily and if he doesn't qualify she's not that interested so then he has to try to 'win' her over. Women have developed so much socially but they just can't 'tell' men to 'be men'. After all, she is the RESPONSE and not the stimulus. She'll just WAIT for the right guy to come along if ever. Guys are just communicating to her on the level where they don't have the power (socially). They try to show her some of their own independent personality but she's not really that interested either. They're trying to be the stimulus and she will be the response but the whole metaframe is that he's STILL operating out of the reality where SHE is the stimulus (prize/goal) and HE is the response just trying to make it work. That's why it goes awry so often. If man could realize that he actually DOES have the power naturally with women, his entire reality would change and he wouldn't have to align himself to dealing with women on her social level where he's weakest and ends up blaming himself. Society has covered up nature SO good that countless millions of men and women may never see it or experience a true natural connection anymore. Men are confused and nature's purity has been diluted. The reason many men will score inconsistently is because he will trigger the 'ok i'll sleep with him' attraction response in the female (which may be lowered because she's so desperate) because their entire sexual communication wasn't that strong and it was quite variable but effective enough. Men have just lost awareness of their natural power because of society. He is the one who is supposed to be aware of this power as the stimulus to which women will respond to and then he can naturally lead the relationship to where he wants because she's attracted and indeed WILL want to go through sex when he gets in touch with
his natural ability to take her through the process. There's nothing wrong with a man's loss of this awareness and he SHOULDN'T blame himself (or feel he has to realign himself to her reality), but he does have to take accountability for his own success and lifestyle. Up until now, men have found response mechanisms and developed systems to deal with this new social reality because we have lost sight of the pure nature within us. The main reason I cracked the code of our 100% pervasive social reality (in which relationship experts are divorced themselves) is because of cultural differentiation. That's another story but, i t's important to understand that a woman will be her socially developed self yet will always have this part of her that is yearning for a real man. And this is VERY real as well.
Her running off with another man instead of you is very real and her response to him was different than it was to you and that was very REAL (if that's ever happened to you). There are different levels of reality that coexist so if you want to have massive success with women, it would help to be aware of what's REALLY going on between you and her, man and woman. It's more than your inner game, it's the great social AND biological/universal game that's going on. J.Lo herself knows that 'love don't cost a thing'.
And I believe her. That's the natural part of her; her biology speaking. All species of animals instinctively know that there is no price tag on the actual mating process. Now the social side of her is something completely different.
She will also speak out of that side too. Little does she know she would be a completely different person if she grew up in another culture. This level of social development is UNIQUELY human. Only we could develop something on top of nature like we have and animals would be laughing at us if they could. (But now there are tremendous opportunities for all men to develop themselves into a real alpha male). You don't have to get with a J.Lo (who because of her extreme high social status will continue to choose high social status men) when there are countless women that are even 'hotter' than her in the clubs any given weekend.
We should be grateful as men that women aren't judging us on our looks alone as we primarily do for them. But all of these countless women you could potentially get with, have a natural and a social part of them that will RESPOND to men based on his own (what I call) 'character'. Deal with the natural and sexual being within a woman.
Connect with that part of her and fearlessly see through the superficial social reality and she will go crazy for you because you're not afraid of her and she found a real man. She's been waiting to throw her vibrator to the side for awhile. Hey, if you're not the best looking guy or have an average personality, get in touch with your natural character very strongly because you have to have SOMETHING to bring to the table if you want to score with women who are desirable or as some would say 'out of your league'.
Develop at least in one of the three areas; your natural (most important), independent (personality and uniqueness), or your social (verbal, status) character and be able to communicate that to her.
But you're going to get the fastest (and guaranteed most consistent) results by developing an awareness of your natural character as a man.
Why? Because it's already there, just repressed. You don't have to become someone you're not. Just become more of YOURSELF and see through the muck and mire so that you're unashamed and comfortable in this confusing world. You were BORN as the stimulus for women to respond to; it's how nature intended. Women will let you know that they're interested nonverbally or verbally (and you'll actually be able to pick up the signals finally when you're aware of your gift). But if you act as if the woman is the stimulus and you are the response, basically you're going to fail. That defies the nature within her and the choices she makes are pivotal there (sex or no sex buddy). However, if you can operate out of a natural (or even seduction) reality where YOU are the stimulus and she is the response, all of your actions will come forth to be a LOT more effective in what you do.
It's the lifeline of attraction itself. Become more of the man that women want and let her respond to you FAVORABLY because she is going to respond one way or another. You will have 'the power'. That means women will be interested and attracted to you. It's not rocket science...if it was, we wouldn't all be here today. It's only recently that this 'forced reality' developed ON TOP OF true nature and spurring the development of counter-attack systems. What about nice guys? Nice guys are OBVIOUSLY being the response to her as the stimulus and women can see right through it all. It's hard to fool them, especially the hotter they are. If you choose to operate on the social level (by default or not; you HAVE to take accountability here) where women have the power because you don't think that there is any other way, you're not aware of where your true power lies and you're missing out on a level of success that you have only dreamt of. The leverage for women to find men like this is VERY strong. There are a lot more hot women out there than men of character in our forced reality societies. These many beautiful women are competing for the man you can actually BE by the characteristics you represent (primarily of being truly your empowered self). That's a great opportunity for you to be the answer to hot women everywhere you go! Having them approach you because they're already interested is easier than fighting
against nature. Also, when you do want to connect it might be detrimental to use pick-up lines. Instead just be natural and gauge her response to you. Then it's easy to get her number and take it from there. I recommend to put aside your independent (personality) and your social character for a while with it's dependency on the words to say and become aware of your natural power. This is where you have the favor with women and it's much greater than trying to impress her with your unique personality or social gifts no matter how much time you spent devoting to and developing them. Focus on what matters most in the reality and matrix of attraction. If you could just cut through and operate on the natural/sexual level with yourself and connect to that part of women, then all of your questions will be answered. You won't even have to speak much at all or even know her language.
Does this work with the women YOU specifically want? Yes. She has inherited the biological response mechanism just by being a woman and you have inherited the stimulus function as a man.
Your looks or lower social status may not matter to her...why? Because it's ALL about how interested she is in you and she will be blinded by her attraction for you when you really are the man who you should be. Don't let society repress you anymore. Man's power in this age of rapid development has transferred over to women and it has weakened his energy. You can reclaim it for yourself by being aware of the coexistent realities. The natural flow and leverage is strong and a single woman will sleep with men who operate on this natural level and communicate that to her by BEING that man. I just recommend to respect this power and add value to each woman's life instead of trying to 'take' or dupe her. She will in part choose you because she can trust you by your body language alone (and being comfortable in your own skin) so don't prove her wrong and she'll never forget you.
Become and be the man that she desires, naturally. They KNOW that it's more important than what society has taught them to want as beautiful women. You can finally actually BE yourself and yet have the most success ever. I encourage you to seek the truth and see the big picture. In fact I've found that the less I show my social or independent character, the more (FAST) success I have just by operating on the natural/universal/sexual level with women.
Consistent and uber-player success with all types of women stems from YOUR natural reality and the words to say become child's play and almost irrelevant.
You can then connect with this part of countless women because it's all in there, waiting. Women were born to recognize and respond to men of this character when they meet them. They just may not be able to pass up the opportunity of making sure you connect with them and the whole game becomes fluid. Therein lies your route to consistent and interdependent success with beautiful women. Become the man that you were supposed to be and understand how society has repressed you more than you can imagine.
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LAIR SECTION (Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at www.bristollair.com, as well as at www.seductionlair.com:
A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/
LAIR GROUP
If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com
HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Sunday March 26th at 8 pm is the next Lair meeting. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings.
The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.
Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):
MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.
THE TORONTO LAIR
The Greater Toronto Area Lair Goes by the acronym for TOronto PUAS (TOPS) and has been going from success to success lately. There have been great talks by local PUAs who are regulars on Clifford's list, great outings, and membership continues to grow.
TOPs is open to men (and women) at all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist. Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know - and a commitment to test what you learn in the real world.
To join the Lair, send a request to: TO_Lair-owner@yahoogroups.com
If you have questions, you can contact the TOPS President, Smooth (cdnglenn@yahoo.ca) or TOPS Webmaster, Pluvio (pluvio69@yahoo.com)
Vancouver Social Board
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/"> Yahoo Group ( groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/"> groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ )
Contact Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PORTLAND, MAINE
I'm starting a lair in Portland, Maine so we can truly be "the way life should be"!
Starting with a dozen AFCs & PUAs and looking to grow and share our skills.
Send email to magickman@maine.rr.com if you wish to join.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.
SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.
EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/
ISRAEL LAIR:
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to www.tironut69.com/"> www.tironut69.com
DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
A new lair is starting up in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus will be regularly going out and working in the field. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuingthe PUA lifestyle; email Matt on moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: wingman.meetup.com/6/ or www.dallasseductionlair.com/"> www.DallasSeductionLair.com
DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum ( www.dallaspua.com/forum"> www.dallaspua.com/forum ), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to www.dallaspua.com/"> www.DallasPua.com
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich lair has been setup for RAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ www.nyclair.com/"> www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com/"> www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit www.indialair.com/"> www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ATLANTA:
I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com
HOUSTON:
www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au
Melbourne Lair: The place, an open shopping center in the heart of the city. I sit down at the food court and wait for familiar faces to arrive. I picked the location of this months meeting of the Melbourne Lair, Its great to have it in an informal place like a food court, sets a nice relaxing mood. Once everybody arrives we push some tables together and start the meeting. We discuss peoples sticking points and offer suggestions, we tell stories of crash and burns and success stories. We just shoot the sh*t, it f*cking great to meet up with like minded people. While telling someone my smurf routine, I see two guys get up from the table and start walking away, I glance back later to see them sitting with a girl, these guys are approach machines.
The meeting goes on way too f*cking long, everybody's got a story to tell, advice to offer, we could talk to each other for days. I feel like this is Ocean's 11 and we are planning the big heist. There is the leader, he started the group. The guru, he's an encyclopedia of info. There is the joker, he can't stop negging and teasing everyone; f*cking Canadians. There's the approach machines, they can't follow the conversation because they are too busy following the nearest piece of ass. There is the SSer, the grease boy and of course Brad Pitt. We all exchange numbers before leaving and make plans for sarging during the week. If there is a Lair in your area, join it, if there isn't, start one of your own. You will not regret it.
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who sarge regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.mysterymethod.com/"> www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
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Derek Vitalio:
Seduction Science Coming To Montreal & Toronto
Seduction Science Live In-Field Workshops, coming next to Montreal!
The fact is, only by MODELING the very best can you achieve the very best. In a Seduction Science workshop, you'll meet and train with master coach McMaax who will take you to unique hot spots all over a particular city for meeting the most attractive, beautiful women. Your coach will demonstrate their skills and explain, teach, and show you how to interact with women at a club and on the street.
With a coach, you'll find an immediate shift in your skills and understanding with women as you see what it takes demoed live and right in front of you. And there's no reason to take the long and hard path or reinvent the wheel. After making hundreds of approaches, we've learned what works and what doesn't. We'll show you exactly how it's done and save you months, if not years of time.
You'll never have to go back to feeling lonely or lost and live passionately once again. Reserve your place as soon as possible (placing is limited!) so that you're guaranteed a spot.
For more information on the full workshop schedule visit: www.seductionscience.com/workshops
3-Day Live In-Field Workshops (all of these are Friday, Saturday, Sunday and cost $1,000.00 (deposit of $300 required) except for the NYC one)
March 10th, 11th, 12th Montreal, Canada 3 seats left!
March 17th, 18th, 19th Toronto, Canada 2 seats left!
April 7th, 8th, 9th Toronto, Canada 1 seat left!
April 28th, 29th, 30th Toronto, Canada 2 seats left!
May 12th, 13th, 14th New York City, US $1200 U.S. dollars 3 seats left!
May 19th, 20th, 21st Toronto,Canada 2 seats left!
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as