I was thinking on it and it almost seemed TOO easy
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The evolution of my game from the outside back in
Tonight I went out with a local friend who I am mentoring and had a great time. It’s really interesting to watch him struggle with the same sort of state issues and various sticking points that used to plague me. A few thoughts on the evolution of my game:
1) I can say honestly now that I have reached the point where game is totally natural for me. It flows out of who I am. I don’t have bad days (though of course there are plenty of times when I don’t feel like approaching, etc.). I don’t have bad states. I’ve reached a never before thought possible level of comfort with my interactions.
2) I truly am outcome unattached. Things just flow. I don’t need the girl to like me, don’t need the set to go well, and don’t need to earn the validation of others.
3) Most of the time I’m not really consciously aware of what I’m doing. Tonight it was interesting as I broke down what I did for my friend, it struck me that I really had no conscious awareness of it as I was doing it.
4) Everything flows out of the inner. All of the outer game things we do are simply training wheels to develop a feel for what’s possible. But ultimately, it’s really all about the states of mind we cultivate within ourselves…like a garden these states need to be nurtured and cared for and they will blossom into everything we want our lives to be.
So tonight, we go out.. As soon as I get there, I do a few low key things to ensure I have social proof without needing to seek it through high energy, demonstrations, dancing monkey routines, etc. Vin notices me getting all sorts of eye contact throughout the night from some of the hottest girls in the venue. But ultimately, I was on a day 2. A day 2 that was 1.5 years in the making. I had met this college girl at club on a cold approach in the fall of 2004 and we hadn’t seen each other since but kept in touch. She met up with me tonight. Instantly I began to get lots of interest from her hotter friend who I knew she was jealous of so I had to be very careful about just how subtly I allowed a jealousy plotline to form. I didn’t need to acknowledge it or play into it, as my girl was picking up on it unconsciously..so as I mostly do these days, I just allowed it to happen. I notice these days that I seem to be relating from a space of higher value so I often will get interest from girls who can sense that…and sometimes have to hold back with girls who aren’t quite so sexually confident or with a high degree of self esteem.
Some of the most effective modes of interaction are simply allowing what she wants to happen to happen, i.e. being out of our own way. By simply holding a mirror up in front of her, she will experience all she wants to in terms of feelings, drama, etc. I don’t need to feed it, invalidate it, or anything more than allow it to happen. She will create the reality she wants to experience and I will simply give her the room to do it.
I was free to show a lot of interest in my girl as I had elicited over time what she needs and interest is one factor. I would do little things to test where I was…very subtle disqualifiers to see if she would respond. Through a combination of qualifying myself (she’s slightly intimidated by me) and qualifying her, I believe we were able to form a very nice connection that will lead to a date next week. I was careful not to open other women or do anything other than show interest in her and reward her good behaviors in order to maintain trust….so many guys lose girls because they can’t get past the initial reaction seeking behaviors that ultimately break her trust. I believe an autonomous comfortable man has no need to get lost in such behaviors. In fact, I’m coming to know that we all have everything we need, we mostly just get in our own way and rather than letting go of the limitations that block us from power, we try to take on more and more "stuff" which ultimately creates more limitations.
So, since it was a loud venue, I just had to make sure I was sparking enough interest for us to continue. Her body language was very strong, her pupils fully dilated, and her behavior – she kept coming back to me. Ordinarily I prefer to do a day 2 in a very quiet one on one setting. And…no conscious game needed…just vibing and having a good time.
All that I find myself doing these days is very subtle and nearly invisible so that presents a problem – how to teach… I’m not as good of a teacher as I used to be. I am left in the unenviable position of how to get my friend what he needs to excel as I watch him struggle with what to say and how to manage his state and how not to let so called failures fester and create frustration. I can herald the lack of need for routines and so forth for myself but that doesn’t help a guy who needs the training wheels, needs the extra push to get him to natural integration.
I feel like I am a bad teacher these days as I can’t teach someone directly how to develop good inner states of mind, all I can do is point them in the direction.. so essentially I can’t teach it but guys can learn from me.
It’s been many moons since I sat and wrote a post analyzing my game but perhaps tonight was the first time in a long time when I went out to a loud bar with the triple purpose of teaching a friend, being on a day 2, and having a great time with other friends.
To those guys who feel like they’re stuck or going backwards, all I can say is don’t try to take on more stuff…just keep going…you will reach a point of complete naturalness and complete integration…and it will feel better than you’ve ever imagined…all the conflict and misery and frustration will simple fall away and you’ll open up to new personal power.
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Kirin:
Carlos Xuma’s "Alpha Man Immersion" weekend intensive field report
Having recently attended Carlos Xuma’s (http://www.seductionmethod.com/.l/j8d3nc99.html) "Alpha Man Immersion" weekend intensive in San Francisco two weeks ago, it honestly took me this long to get around to writing the report because there was SO much information presented and material learned that I really needed the time to assimilate. I’m currently at a point in my game where I’m very good at ramping up attraction once it has been established, very good at creating relationships out of connections, very good at giving a woman what makes her really purr - once the initial contact has been established. But the initial approach, particularly in noisy/crowded environments like bars and clubs, has been for most of my dating life out of reach, placing me in that dreaded position of having to pick from "those who pick me" rather than picking from what I find attractive in the first place.
I made a goal for myself to this year really focus on getting over this hurdle, and one of the steps towards that goal that I decided to take was to enroll in some form of "field workshop" with an expert PUA. I first heard about Carlos through a posting on cliffslist and the seminar was located in San Francisco (40 minutes North of me) so I figured, "Why the hell not?" I contacted Carlos, went through the interview process (he doesn’t let just anyone into the seminars) and once being approved ordered his "Secrets of the Alpha-Man" multi-media course, which contains 6 CD’s of audio materials, interviews and activities as well as a huge 400 page manual, which I printed out and have been carrying around ever since.
I think that the thing that strikes me about Carlos’ materials over those provided by other PUAs is that there is more of a sense of method and professionalism to what he presents. It is clear that he reads HUGE amounts of material and then distills it all down and encapsulates it into efficient and very digestible chunks. Rather than ramble on and on about this or that in some abstract way, Carlos might talk for 5-10 minutes on one subject, then jump to another, and then to another, all of them being insightful and interesting. He does a lot of this type of work, publishing a monthly "Coaching" CD as well as weekly podcasts and periodic teleconferences.
What works so well about this approach is that it allows men of all different skill levels to come in wherever they are in their game and pick up what they need. So going to the weekend intensive was kind of like having a firehose of information blown in your face for 72 hours. I picked up so much data that it took a week or so to really let it all settle in… and while I have to admit that while my confidence level was actually a tad lower going out than coming in (got my ass kicked a couple of times out in the field) it is now much higher than were I started and I’m now suddenly juggling 3 women in my life that were not there (at least in the same way) a couple of weeks ago. Not to mention the other new contacts that I made on the weekend itself. When it rains it pours?
The weekend consisted of 2 main activities: day long presentations of the copious material that Carlos had prepared for us (with working lunches and lots of breaks) and sarging expeditions in the evenings that ran till 1:00 AM or so. There were 12 of us in the workshop, from all over the country, with varying levels of experience ranging from those who were just starting to work with approach to one who goes out 6 nights a week (he takes off Saturdays because he says that’s "date night" and women in the clubs are either with a date or pissed that they’re not with the date they wanted and therefore not worth the trouble).
One of the things that struck me about the overall presentation of the workshop is that no matter where we were, the location was beautiful and sophisticated. We started in a private "Penthouse room" at a club called "Swig" where we could all have a drink and get familiar with each other before moving out into the scene, looking down on it as well. Carlos had two others working with him in the workshop and in the field which was very cool because each of the three had very different energy and brought something different to the experience. Carlos was the "host", the party maker - kind of like a Hugh Hefner character but without all the pretentiousness. Travis, his wing, had a very different energy. Laid back and cool but with a tinge of mischievousness, a nice contrast. And then there was CJ Chandler, a pivot, who was street smart and savvy but with a very friendly and open energy. She was like the very cool big sister that you never had who knew everything about attracting women and wanted to teach you all the tricks.
I’m not going to go into long blow by blow descriptions of everything that we did in the field, it would take too much space (and yes it was awesome, yes I got my first numbers ever in the field and yes I got my ass kicked a few times and Carlos was right there to pick things up for me and get me back out there trying again). But what I will cover briefly is the "new" concepts that I took away from the seminar which I’d never been exposed to prior. My own nuggets of "gold" as it were. These are all concepts that I didn’t really know or understand before the seminar which I now see as KEY:
1) Opening a set, to "open", they were "open" - My first set right out of the box was perhaps my most successful (which kinda sucks because it was hard to match the exuberance of that initial peak experience). It consisted of a set of very open, physically affectionate and playful women (5 or 6) sitting by a fireplace. The set had already been "opened" by Travis before I arrived and he invited me in. Standing behind the group I took off my long coat and proceeded to sit directly in the middle of them in front of the fireplace making jokes about stealing their fire. As I sat down they immediately started petting me! One with her hand stroking my back, another stroking my head scarf (my head is shaved), and another with pressing her leg up against mine. I zeroed in on a juicy blonde and was petting and talking to her about my art and totally had command of the entire group the instant I sat down. It was amazing.
Remember that that portion of the game is the part that I’m good at once attraction has been established. So it was a total kick to just be dropped into the situation and be rocking the way I was. I conversed a bit, got a couple of numbers and moved on to the next set. But the next day I was thinking on it and it almost seemed TOO easy. And I suspected that the group was a plant just to get my confidence up. I checked with Travis on it and he explained the concept of "opening a set" to me. That by the time I got there, the set, and the women, were already open, friendly and interested. In this case my wing (or pivot) went in ahead of time and did the hard part for me. The rest was easy - very cool. And I know they weren’t plants because I’m still in touch with some of the members of that set at this point.
2) Another concept that I got to play with, that kind of leverages off the previous one of "opening" is wingmen and pivots. Over the course of the weekend I got the chance to work with several wings, including Travis and Carlos as well as 3 or 4 men in the group and it was amazing to notice the dynamics that show up when working that way. As with opening sets, (as opposed to singles) having another person there on your side to work with really makes things easier, less charged and more fun. And when your "Wing" is a woman (a Pivot) I like that even more and we had CJ working pivot at the worrkshop with us as well.
There was one case where I went in with my wing and we were hitting two very cute girls who were snuggled up on the couch. I opened the set with my "Shy100" spiel (which is really designed to work solo) but it totally fell naturally into a great interaction with me talking to my target and my wing talking to the other. But the amazing thing was that after 5 or 10 minutes of chatting when their HUSBANDS showed up I looked over to my wing not sure what the "protocol was" and he was like "Hey man, nice to meet you. How’s it going?" And I just followed his lead as if talking to these men’s wives was the most normal thing in the world and while my wing talked up the dudes I talked up the chicks. Very interesting. My wing and I just totally held our power and Alpha status without the slightest trace of defensiveness and the entire group went along with it. And after another 10 minutes or so when we ejected, Carlos was there to tell us all the things we did right and how the girls body language really showed attraction and connection with us. Again, very cool.
3) The last thing that I came into that was really profound was the concept of "Proxemics" or the science of the placement of bodies (people) in relation to each other (rather than Kino or body language which is all I’ve ever focused on before). The most interesting experience I had with this was on the last night at the last club where there was this ADORABLE California blonde that had been holding court at the bar all night long. I’d wanted to approach her but every time I looked there were one, two or three tall good-looking studs talking her up. I was trying to figure out if she was "with" any of them but never could… and felt intimidated at trying. Well, at the end of the evening I was tired, ready to leave and on my way out and I figured… "Fuck it, NOW. Nothing to loose and I won’t have to hang around for the aftermath."
So while she was talking to these two hunks I slid in behind her, leaned my arm on the bar behind her almost as if she were my date and I had my arm around her shoulders and did the "Shy100" into her ear over her shoulder. The most amazing thing happened. As soon as I started talking to her (displaying very confident body language and proximity, something that comes easy to me), she turned her attention to me and the other men just pulled their tails between their legs and slunk off. It was amazing! 5 seconds into the approach and I’d cleared the floor. I’d heard that could happen but never experienced it. Well, the interaction with her was very sweet, fun and amazing to watch as the body language escalated between us, it was almost like a dance the way her body moved against mine as I teased and played with her, her back arching almost like a cat begging to be stroked. All without touching (but in VERY close proximity, inches). It was amazing. Could have gotten her number had I gone in looking for it in the first place, but I did get a hug and a kiss from her which was plenty for me at the time. It was enough to see what I can do when I really hold my Alpha Power as Carlos had been coaching us all weekend to do.
So all in all, it was an awesome weekend. Not easy, and not always fun, but an amazing growth experience. I’m looking forward to working with this group again as well as following up on all the connections I made during the weekend, both inside and outside the group.
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There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
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Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
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The Norwich lair has been setup for RAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ http://www.nyclair.com/"> http://www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We SARGE regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com/"> http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com/"> http://www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & SARGE, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and SARGE 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ATLANTA:
I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will SARGE from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous SARGE outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com
HOUSTON:
http://www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au
Melbourne Lair: The place, an open shopping center in the heart of the city. I sit down at the food court and wait for familiar faces to arrive. I picked the location of this months meeting of the Melbourne Lair, Its great to have it in an informal place like a food court, sets a nice relaxing mood. Once everybody arrives we push some tables together and start the meeting. We discuss peoples sticking points and offer suggestions, we tell stories of crash and burns and success stories. We just shoot the sh*t, it f*cking great to meet up with like minded people. While telling someone my smurf routine, I see two guys get up from the table and start walking away, I glance back later to see them sitting with a girl, these guys are approach machines.
The meeting goes on way too f*cking long, everybody's got a story to tell, advice to offer, we could talk to each other for days. I feel like this is Ocean's 11 and we are planning the big heist. There is the leader, he started the group. The guru, he's an encyclopedia of info. There is the joker, he can't stop negging and teasing everyone; f*cking Canadians. There's the approach machines, they can't follow the conversation because they are too busy following the nearest piece of ass. There is the SSer, the grease boy and of course Brad Pitt. We all exchange numbers before leaving and make plans for sarging during the week. If there is a Lair in your area, join it, if there isn't, start one of your own. You will not regret it.
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who SARGE regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is http://www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://www.mysterymethod.com/"> http://www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
http://www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
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Derek Vitalio:
Seduction Science Coming To Montreal & Toronto
Seduction Science Live In-Field Workshops, coming next to Montreal!
The fact is, only by MODELING the very best can you achieve the very best. In a Seduction Science workshop, you'll meet and train with master coach McMaax who will take you to unique hot spots all over a particular city for meeting the most attractive, beautiful women. Your coach will demonstrate their skills and explain, teach, and show you how to interact with women at a club and on the street.
With a coach, you'll find an immediate shift in your skills and understanding with women as you see what it takes demoed live and right in front of you. And there's no reason to take the long and hard path or reinvent the wheel. After making hundreds of approaches, we've learned what works and what doesn't. We'll show you exactly how it's done and save you months, if not years of time.
You'll never have to go back to feeling lonely or lost and live passionately once again. Reserve your place as soon as possible (placing is limited!) so that you're guaranteed a spot.
For more information on the full workshop schedule visit: http://www.seductionscience.com/workshops
3-Day Live In-Field Workshops (all of these are Friday, Saturday, Sunday and cost $1,000.00 (deposit of $300 required) except for the NYC one)
April 7th, 8th, 9th Toronto, Canada 1 seat left!
April 28th, 29th, 30th Toronto, Canada 2 seats left!
May 12th, 13th, 14th New York City, US $1200 U.S. dollars 3 seats left!
May 19th, 20th, 21st Toronto,Canada 2 seats left!
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at http://www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (http://www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!
The first 2006 seminar is scheduled for LA, Jan 20, 21, 22. Look for more details soon, or call Dr. Yates at 903-482-1034. Price is $1,195. This seminar is ONLY open to those who own a Speed Seduction Home Study Course so you better hop on line and buy one now if you don't already have one and plan on attending.
Speed Seduction Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England September 15, 16, 17
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
Hawaii (Location - Tentative) October 22 thru 26
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England Sept 8, 9, 10
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Major Mark (http://www.trucor.com):
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to http://www.trucor.com
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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality
A home study course by David Shade http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out at http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> http://www.alphalover.com . Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> http://www.alphalover.com
"The Seduction End-Game"
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Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer (http://www.seduceandconquer.com/seducewomen) CD disks present Payton's unique, dynamic style of meeting and seducing women. His methods are very natural and are the epitome of the original advice you get - tease and take away, play hard to get, etc. Definitely worth checking out, but not for everyone.
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Due to popular demand , Learn from the resident Sexpert How to be Outrageously Successful With the Opposite Sex and How to naturally let the game come to you. An intensive 1 on 1 personalized bootcamp taught to you by the East Coast's #1 Personal Dating Coach and Mentor. For more info go to http://www.youaresoinmyway.com
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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out http://www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on SARGEs, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing sh*t tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good s*ex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/"> http://www.badboylifestyle.com
You can book your workshop on: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/?badboy=workshops
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Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! http://www.seductionlair.com/
The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!
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Lance Mason ("Sensei") & Wilder Pick-Up 101 (http://www.pickup101.com/acl):
More than just workshops, PickUp 101 provides focused programs that begin weeks before you arrive with our home study materials, our 3-day skills intensive & field work training, and lasts long after you leave with follow up coaching calls and access to the PickUp 101 private forums.
PickUp 101 provides you 'warp-speed' training in a sequenced progression to take you from complete newbie to getting laid like a rock star with our proven step-by-step programs.
In our current programs you will learn the latest in:
- Attraction Skills
- Night Club Game
- Day Time Game
- Direct AND Indirect Methods of Approach
- Deep Rapport Skills
- Effective Day-2 Seduction Tactics
- Dressing For Your Pickup Artist Identity
- Multiple Relationship Management
- Advanced Pickup Tactics
- And much more...
Our programs are structured to build on each other and NEVER repeat material.
Our instructors stay on the cutting edge of what works, and we won't lock you into any one way of doing pickup. We find what works BEST FOR YOU, and provide you with all the training and coaching you need to succeed.
We also provide monthly free seminars in San Francisco, and free distance learning teleseminars.
Call us toll free for more information.
PickUp 101
1459 Powell Street
San Francisco, CA
1-877-PICKUP-9 (toll free)
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New street seduction CD course from Croatia
mr.ice - Croatian seduction master finally released his seduction audio
CD "Streetmode".
Backed by 5 years of extensive research it contains step-by-step directions on how to seduce girls in normal - everyday environment.
Each part uses structured approach i.e. you are given an introduction that describes specifics of each seduction environment together with steps that are neccesary for you to feel comfortable before you start with the seduction.
You are then guided through the seduction process - from intial approach to conversation and later to kissing and having sex with a girl.
for more information: http://streetmode.atspace.com
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Trevor Emdon got the T shirt on being dumped! But he also happens to be an NLP practitioner and a personal development coach and writer, so he was darned if he was going to be defeated by a little thing like being twice divorced and having more "ex’s" in his little black book than any self respecting man should have!
He set about figuring out a way of turning life around. And he began where it hurt the most – with the uncomfortable probability that since HE was the common denominator in all his relationships, maybe it was him that needed to change! Uncomfortable … only to a point, because then he realised something VERY exciting…
If HE was the one that needed to change, then HE was in control of his own romantic destiny! And so are YOU!
That single thought sparked a revolution in his thinking, and led him to devise the powerful program in the pages of the ebook you could be putting to use in your life just minutes from now!
"How To Conquer Your Fear of Rejection & Start Dating Again!" packs a powerful punch. And at $9.99 it’s the best value antidote to a broken heart or plain old fear of rejection.
It will restore your faith in Love, Life, Sex and Romance! http://www.wizardofwisdom.com/conquerrejection.htm
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Archangel:
I've got something I think you & your readers would be interested in.
It's called NLP PLUS and you can see it here: http://nlp-plus.com/"> http://nlp-plus.com The entire system is based upon Breath, Body, Mind, Motion. It's a system of Confidence and Persuasion, and is meant to be easy to use with little memorization.
There's a demo lesson here: http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/ConfidenceDemo.asp
The Rapport structure is here:
http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/rapport.htm
The rapport structure is very simple, and extremely effective. All you have to do is the BBMM structure to gain rapport with someone.
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Juggler is back!
Charisma Sciences, led by longtime seduction authority Juggler, focuses on developing a man's natural game. Our clients usually
- aren't connecting with women despite all efforts,
- are sick of using routines and material that isn't their own,
- want to understand vibing skills that will work in *any* situation.
We are now limiting the size of our events to four students with two to three instructors (including Juggler, of course), because we're not just giving a guy some lines and throwing him out there. We get to know our clients and teach them social vibing techniques, based on their own personality traits, that apply to women, men and groups.
There's just no other way to prepare a guy for the breadth of interactions he's going to face in his life, seductive or otherwise.
It's the difference between flash game and solid game. We don't teach men how to impress their friends and thirty other people with some jokes or tricks - we teach them how to consistently get numbers that will not flake, and closes that aren't forced - by building a solid foundation for every interaction.
Our Charm School bootcamp runs Friday to Sunday in Ann Arbor, MI and
other cities worldwide. To learn more about what we teach, you should check out our website, where we have free weblogs, podcasts, compiled articles, and the three-year-in-the-making Juggler eBook. See http://charismaarts.com/. Looks very interesting!
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Joe Flow:
I'm starting a new coaching program designed to speed the process of overcoming social fears and self imposed limitations. So many guys out there, and in the community in particular have a lot of bad habits and childhood mannerisms that they carry on to their adult life. These come from unconscious beliefs and memories that run their lives. I believe working to improve these issues should be tackled from both sides. On the one hand, I'm going to talk to guys about their belief system and self images. On the other, I'll comment on different things that they do, like body language, voice inflections, and facial expressions that betray these beliefs. I believe that is the best way to bring these hidden beliefs up to the surface which is the most important and most difficult step on the way to dealing with them.
My program is going to be very cheap for the time being, at least until I get some good testimonials to back me up. Since this is coaching and not a "weekend of partying", you have to live in or close to Manhattan. I'm going to have one hour long meetings in which we talk, walk around, do basic communication exercises, and later on, approach and talk to women ("day game"). After every meeting, you will get a few simple, or not so simple body language and mental exercises and "missions" that you will have to carry out before the next time we meet, in addition to new things to keep in mind about how you come across and communicate and about what goes on in your head.
If you are interested, email me at free2bu@fastmail.fm, and I will send you a short questionnaire to find out whether or not I think I can help you. If yes, the first meeting will be FREE, and no commitment on your part will be required. After that, for the time being, every meeting will cost $50. I make no flashy promises. I'm aiming for a PROCESS, not a magic bullet.
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Giuseppe Notte:
http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/ - Giuseppe Notte's ALL ABOUT WOMEN: The Encyclopedia Of Seduction EOS is a new product covering the topic of seduction from A to Z. This 100 pages e-book is ideal both for newbies and more experienced guys willing to improve weaker points of their game. The book is split into 6 bigger parts:
1. Being a woman Learn how women think and understand the "logic" behind their actions.
2. How to be the Man Part two is about the attitude. You can attract women just with your presence, by becoming a "real Man". Avoid the most common mistakes men make and learn valuable tips on body language, dressing and improving the overall quality of your life.
3. The first step: meeting girls Overcome your fear of approaching women and open girls anytime, anywhere without excuses. With the powerful techniques in the book, you won't have to memorize any "canned" routines or NLP patterns.
4. Second step: from the first date to having sex Get from the first date to the girl's bed easily. Don't be stressed anymore on when and how to kiss your girl or where to take her. You will learn step-by-step instructions for each phase.
5. Third step: keeping a relationship The secrets of keeping a long, rewarding relationship, or multiple relationships at the same time. You choose.
6. Sex Overcome your problems, improve your sexual life, become multi-orgasmic and turn into an irresistible lover.
For more information, visit http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/.
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CEIC: Sickboy and Playboy (Mike and Stephen from the DYD interview series) have launched "Cutting-Edge Image Consulting" ( http://www.ceimageconsulting.com/"> http://www.ceimageconsulting.com ). They offer exclusive, one-on-one programs in New York City. Also, they offer a 7-Day Audio Program which covers the following topics:
- A groundbreaking 3 point structure that serves as a roadmap to any successful interaction.
- The two most powerful qualities women are drawn to, and how you can learn to use them with shocking effect
- We go over the subtleties of female psychology and why it is absolutely necessary to do THREE things when meeting a new woman…do you know what they are?
- We disclose the secret of "hooking" - what it means and how to do it with shocking efficiency.
- We uncover a key language skill that can build fascination in any woman, ANYTIME. This skill is critical when building connections, which lead into relationships.
- Devastatingly effective conversational openers and lines.
- How to bait ANY woman into a conversation so that within minutes she is dying to know YOU.
- We list the EXACT places to go where you can meet women with the greatest probability of success. Stop wasting your time in the wrong venues for YOU.
- We teach you how to be the center of attention and the life of the party within SECONDS of meeting complete strangers.
- Learn which conversational topics are fascinating to women. Never be boring again.
- We provide a clear definition of relationships, and why some work and some don't. We give you clear-cut ways to improve all of your relationships TODAY.
- There are three different ways to engage women in conversation when you are socializing. These three are based on the three different environments that exist socially. Do you know what they are? We teach you on Day II of the program.
- We teach you the FASTEST way to begin conversations in ANY environment.
- Learn how to counter the most common rejection phrases from women - NEVER be shot down again.
- We outline the aspects of a successful mindset, and we then lead you through a clear and concise exercise to attain that attitude for yourself.
- MASTER the art of flirting.
- We instantly improve your body language and tonality with simple, clear advice never heard anywhere before.
- We give you a SIMPLE way to ALWAYS be relaxed and comfortable before approaching and engaging women in conversation.
- We have an entire CD which guides you through a step-by-step process for creating a timeline that helps you get back on track in EVERY area of your life. We have a solid system for bringing you in touch with what success means to you, and then developing a timeline - a plan - for success. Our aim is to help your dreams become a reality.
Check out their website today at: http://www.ceimageconsulting.com/"> http://www.ceimageconsulting.com
Here are some recent seminar testimonials for CEIC.
In short, our work focuses on a man’s "image", meaning his
presentation not only in style and fashion, but also in word and
energy (vibe). The latter are far more challenging and compelling
to me. The greatest hurdles to success is our INTERNAL
framework of images of ourselves and others. I prescribe no
shortcuts to success, but I do outline a fairly rigorous and demanding
practice for guys to rewire these beliefs in order to be empowering
and healthy. We DO cover the essentials on approaching, flirting,
teasing, storytelling, frame control etc – we have streamlined this
discussion to only include the imperatives. Our belief is that without
a very solid understanding of female/male energy dynamic and
psychology – stemming from years of evolutionary research and study –
a guy stands very little chance of REAL understanding which can lead
to healthy, sustainable relationships.
In other words, time to step into the REAL fire…
I’ll let the students take it from here. Here are views from two guys who
attended the December program:
"Imagine this: you're a regular guy... maybe late 20s, 30s, or even
40s. You're smart enough but you're not Einstein. Neither are you
Tom Cruise, but you also see guys who are no smarter, richer, or
better looking having an easier time with women. Maybe you're someone
who really wants a monogamous relationship with a woman, but you
don't want to just "settle." You want someone terrific, a woman who
"gets you," who you think is really sexy and, just as important,
finds you really sexy. You want to be able to spark the desire that
serves you, and inspires other people. Or maybe you're someone who
thinks you'd like multiple relationships, but while you can imagine
it, making it happen is as elusive as water in the desert. Well, it
strikes me that Stephen and Michael are teaching skills that are
relevant, memorable, and easy to use, rather than asking you to
memorize series of monologues or even gestures,
Without giving away their secrets, let's just say that you walk in on
Saturday. You're curious, a bit nervous, and also just wondering what
you'll gain. You walk out on Sunday with one over-riding sense.
Excitement. Because you have a tool set that is easy to put into
action. That skill set is not based on changing yourself. It's based
on tapping into who you are as a man. It leverages your own
experiences, stories, and inclinations. You work on creating a vision
of the type of women you genuinely desire, and also the type of man
you want to be in the world. In a sense, these guys collaborate with
you to build your own dream house, helping map out the blueprint to
actually construct it. Only what you're building is not a house. It's
the best aspect of who you are. And it's no dream. It's for real.
Stephen and Michael work through that design and construction process
with you, as coaches as well as teachers.
The process teaches "smarts," but it's smarts about who you are, can
be, and want to purse. They also lead you through a series of
exercizes to put all that into action. Yes, it's challenging. But
it's also a lot of fun. I saw the results immediately that first
night hanging with another member of the class. I have read a bunch
of