They are only amazed that you could expect that
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This year we are pulling out all the stops - the best of the best will be here and this is a unique opportunity to meet and learn from them in person.
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KEEP WATCHING THIS LIST FOR NEW GUESTS CONTINUALLY BEING ADDED!!
Appearing LIVE in Montreal will be the following who are confirmed (listed here in alphabetical order):
Dr. Alex Benzer (www.thetaoofdating.com)
Apollo (www.showmeyourgame.com)
Badboy (www.badboylifestyle.com)
Bart Baggett (www.myhandwriting.com)
Brent (www.absolutepowerdating.com)
Brian
Cameron Teone (The One) (www.buildattraction.com)
Carlos Xuma (www.datingdynamics.com)
Chet (www.chetsdatingsystem.com)
Clint Arthur (www.newsensualpower.com)
Dave M. (www.insiderinternetdating.com)
David Shade (www.masterful-lover.com)
Dr. Dennis W. Neder (www.beingaman.com)
DJ
Doc (www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca)
Dolly D (www.cocksanddolls.blogspot.com)
GoneSavage (gonesavage.blogspot.com)
Grant Adams(www.net2bed.com)
Lance Mason (www.pickup101.com)
Michael (www.thedatingwizard.com)
Nick (www.playboyskool.com)
Nige (www.nige54.com)
Payton Kane (www.seduceandconquer.com)
Robert Ruffo
Sin (www.Mysterymethod.com)
Steve Celeste (Toecutter) (www.smoothinteractions.com)
Steve Piccus (www.sensualawakening.com)
stRiPPed (www.nllounge.com, www.DutchSeduction.com )
Rion Williams (www.modelmagnet.com)
David Wygant (www.dwdating.com , www.davidwygant.com)
Will (www.youaresoinmyway.com)
Zan (www.enlightenedseduction.com)
Tenatively confirmed:
Blake Richards (IN10SE) (www.social-mastery.com)
David DeAngelo (www.doubleyourdating.com)
Elvis Preston King (bachelortours.blogspot.com)
Style (Author of "The Game")
Michael Emery (Bishop) (www.new-alpha.com)
ALSO:
SPECIAL SURPRISE GUESTS
Please note that with such a large list of invited guests, we cannot be responsible for last minute changes including non appearance of one or more of the above. However, many others have been invited and we expect this list to grow substantially by the time of the event.
For details on how to sign up, go to www.cliffslist.com and click on Seminars!
Prove it! We're casting for the main characters of the newest show on pickup artists produced and made by pickup artists! You’ve seen the popular trailer
www.f3mshow.com. Now, we’re ready to move on to the next step.
That means you gotta send us in-field video of your best stuff... since video quality is not as important as audio quality, we suggest street sarging
, showing us specific routines/concepts-in-action, game explanations before or after and last but not least, a brief introduction of yourself and resume, if applicable. If you are selected, we will request two or more referrals from your closest friends -- bonus points if you have an acting background!
Git yer cameras, go out, have fun and send your videos to us RIGHT AWAY, to:
"Pick Up Show"
c/o Alex Freedman
181 East 90th St. Suite 3E
New York, NY 10128
or by email to: thegameprod@gmail.com
...did i mention, right away?
O.K. so I've met a lot of guys from the community and some were infected by gay stuff, or they were trying to insult the girls when they see them, and wanted to get rid of it.
If someone feels that is not the way to go, here is the healing outline.
1. Being a gay man
What are the advantages of being a gay man?
A girl will not reject you on your opener because she will not consider you a threat, so then you can wait to go home with them and then try to jump her.
Well if your opener sucks then change that. Don't become gay or an alien, etc...
If you see that you have to go under the radar then change your approaches. Don't treat only the symptoms, treat the cause.
2. Insulting girls
Making funny remarks on girls that you are normally talking with should be managed once, just so you see it is possible and you overcome that block.
But many guys get stuck on this and only insult the girls.
They think the girls like them.
But they don't like them.
They are only amazed that you could expect that anything else would come out of that, silly man.
The only way is to break your fears of women enough so that you are able to talk, discuss, and have fun with them the same way you do with your male friends.
Do you need a story to talk with your male buddy?
NO!
That is not because you spent time learning it at home.
It's because you are not afraid.
So in order to clean your mind from being gay or having a ball busting influence you must take control and admit to yourself that excuses were blocking you in the first place. Then the healing process can begin, and that is the only way to perfection. The process is hard and painful.
Limerence is the name given in this article to a crush or in PUA terms, one-itis. I believe that there are lessons for people on both ends (people with a crush, and people seeking to create/intensify crushes in others).
I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions. I've picked out a few phrases that I feel are particularly interesting, although I strongly suggest reading the original article.
Interesting phrases:
There is an initial phase in which buoyancy, elation, and freedom are felt, which is ironic for this appears to be the beginning of an essentially *involuntary* process. (emphasis mine).
For limerence to fully develop, some form of uncertainty or doubt or even some threat to reciprocation appears necessary. An externally imposed obstacle may also serve, such as societal restraints or parental disapproval. Too early a declaration of limerence or too early evidence of reciprocation on the limerent object's part may prevent the development of the full limerent reaction. Something must happen to break a totally positive interaction.
While limerence has been called love, it is not love. (A lesson to some of us?)
Limerence develops and is sustained when there is a certain balance of hope and uncertainty.
Lair Section: This archived letter used to contain a list of local lairs (lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women); as many have been created or have stopped existing (or contacts have changed), we now refer our readers to the up-do-date worlwide lair listings.
Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (realsocialdynamics.directtrack.com/ad/1/CD11 ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: realsocialdynamics.directtrack.com/ad/1/CD11):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
The website is www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intention of disarming her peer group and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a boot camp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
Seduction Science Live In-Field Workshops!
The fact is, only by MODELING the very best can you achieve the very best. In a Seduction Science workshop, you'll meet and train with master coach McMaax who will take you to unique hot spots all over a particular city for meeting the most attractive, beautiful women. Your coach will demonstrate their skills and explain, teach, and show you how to interact with women at a club and on the street.
With a coach, you'll find an immediate shift in your skills and understanding with women as you see what it takes demoed live and right in front of you. And there's no reason to take the long and hard path or reinvent the wheel. After making hundreds of approaches, we've learned what works and what doesn't. We'll show you exactly how it's done and save you months, if not years of time.
You'll never have to go back to feeling lonely or lost and live passionately once again. Reserve your place as soon as possible (placing is limited!) so that you're guaranteed a spot.
For more information on the full workshop schedule visit: www.seductionscience.com/workshops
3-Day Live In-Field Workshops (all of these are Friday, Saturday, Sunday and cost $1,000.00 (deposit of $300 required) except for the NYC one)
April 7th, 8th, 9th Toronto, Canada 1 seat left!
April 28th, 29th, 30th Toronto, Canada 2 seats left!
May 12th, 13th, 14th New York City, US $1200 U.S. dollars 3 seats left!
May 19th, 20th, 21st Toronto,Canada 2 seats left!
Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
The first 2006 seminar is scheduled for LA, Jan 20, 21, 22. Look for more details soon, or call Dr. Yates at 903-482-1034. Price is $1,195. This seminar is ONLY open to those who own a Speed Seduction Home Study Course so you better hop on line and buy one now if you don't already have one and plan on attending.
Speed Seduction Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England September 15, 16, 17
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
Hawaii (Location - Tentative) October 22 thru 26
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England Sept 8, 9, 10
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out at www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at www.alphalover.com. Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
"The Seduction End-Game"
Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer (www.seduceandconquer.com/seducewomen) CD disks present Payton's unique, dynamic style of meeting and seducing women. His methods are very natural and are the epitome of the original advice you get - tease and take away, play hard to get, etc. Definitely worth checking out, but not for everyone.
Due to popular demand , Learn from the resident Sexpert How to be Outrageously Successful With the Opposite Sex and How to naturally let the game come to you. An intensive 1 on 1 personalized boot camp taught to you by the East Coast's #1 Personal Dating Coach and Mentor. For more info go to www.youaresoinmyway.com
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on Sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male body language secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More body language secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.badboylifestyle.com
You can book your workshop on: www.badboylifestyle.com/?badboy=workshops
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! www.seductionlair.com
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