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The Nov. 11th edition of the San Diego Reader has a great article on Hypnosis, featuring interview with Erick Kand, Hypnotica and Steve Piccus. You can read it here:
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A guru master:
Where do I start? Funny, it wasn't until recently (this summer) that this shit truly came together for me. I'm now not only congruent with it, but I don't need to use routines anymore. Everything that comes out of my mouth has game structure and timing built into it. I remember learning from guys like Mystery, TD, DavidX, etc., and in the back of my mind thinking "Fuck, these guys are RIGHT about what they say, but do I really need to be that ARROGANT?" Only now to I truly understand that this arrogance I'm referring to isn't really arrogance in the eyes of a woman. They see it as a lack of neediness, and a sign that life with you is going to be fulfilling.
I remember DavidX, shouting, over and over, "WHO CARES WHAT THEY THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" His frame is that an attractive man just does what he wants when he wants. "It's my way or the highway."
It made SENSE to me, but it took a while for it to really click. I mean, how the FUCK do you just STOP CARING about a woman's thoughts, behaviors, and feelings?? I knew the concept was sound, and for a while I "convinced myself" that I didn't give a fuck, etc.
To me, now that I've crossed over to the dark side completely, it means that you KNOW beyond the shadow of doubt that you can give women exactly what they want and then some. You "stop caring" because you KNOW how to pass each and every one of her tests, give her the emotional/sexual experience that she craves, and make her feel safe enough to be a kid again.
One of the major pieces of my game has to do with making them cry. Every woman that I've slept with in the past 4 months has had such a profound experience with me that they've cried, and usually on the first date. Most of my first dates last between 10-72 hours. I'm like Don Juan with a PhD in female psych. And I cry too. And the experience is not fake at all.
It's so hard for me to describe how tight my late-game is because I'm not in that state now. I can barely remember what I say, perhaps I should record it and cash in on the seduction market like everyone else.
Here's a line I got from Bandler for inducing tears,
I know that you've HAD to be strong in the past, and that you've felt
that the things that guys have done really scared you and I know how
terrifying it is, I can see the tear that's forming behind your eye.
"I can see the tear that's forming behind your eye".
I think the winning frame that I've gotten this summer, the frame that has changed my life like nothing else, is that I know that women love me. Everything they do, including telling me to go away just means they love me. I got the C&F line "You love me" from DYD, but to me, it's not just a cute line. I treat them exactly as I would treat a woman who is already smitten with me. To me, bratty behavior = fear (of rejection, getting hurt, etc. ) and all other behavior = love.
I remember from psychology that if you want someone to be trustworthy, you treat them as if you trust them. It's the same concept really.
Whenever they act bratty, I treat them like "You poor thing, you have so much fear in you." I'll even say that.
At one point I looked at HB18 and told her, "You know that you're falling in love with me, right? Yeah you do, and you know I'm the one now, don't you? Isn't it interesting how the more you try to cut yourself off from feeling this way, because you're scared, but the more you try to stop yourself from this the more you want me, don't you?" Guys, fucking LEARN hypnosis. Like actually take the time to learn it until it becomes second-nature.
I tell them how they're feeling because, in case you haven't noticed, most of the time they don't even know, all they know is that they are emotional. Remember "Tag questions" from NLP? My late game is filled with those.
I swear I'm going to have to just record myself, because it's so hard to explain what I'm doing.
Let's talk about sex. Sex is easy, sex is fun, but I found out from girls that guys barely say a word to the girl while they're fucking them. All they do is grunt and moan. My girls ALWAYS cum because I learned to lead them with my voice. The fact that I can talk sexually during most of the sex gives them something that apparently 99% of guys can't do. I guide them through various sexual adventures with my voice, and bathe them in good tonality. I tell them to cum, and they do.
A money line I use that really makes them wet is, "In a moment, I'm going to grab you, and I'm going to slide my big, hard cock...deep deep inside you, until you feel MORE DEEPLY FUCKED...than you've ever felt before." I also talk about how hard they make me, and how I feel like my cock has just grown an inch because they are so hot, etc. How I feel like my cock is tearing them open. I talk about how my cock fits inside them so perfectly, but how it's just a little TOO BIG, but I don't care because you're mine and I'll tear you open if I fucking feel like it. They get into this. BTW, I'm six inches : ) But it doesn't matter! Even if it was 5 inches, I could still satisfy even the loosest, sluttiest girl.
I fractionate between making love, exploring, making love, then I'll say, "OK, I need to use you now" and fuck them hard, then I'll get tired and say "Babyface, turn around, I want to look at you" and give it to her all slow with major heavy eye-contact.
An EXTREMELY powerful sex-technique I learned from this porn star, which is to start doing them really slow, build it up until you're plowing her hard, then SHOVE it all the way inside her and STOP thrusting. At this point they go crazy and almost cum. The next time they cum closer, then closer, and boom they come. They key is to stop abruptly when they least expect it. Of course I'm TALKING at the same time here, and when I think she's ready I'll tell her to come. She usually will.
For girls that have trouble cumming, one thing that I do is tell them NOT to. That I want them to hold on to that good feeling and to delay it as much as possible. Combine this with heavy, heavy amounts of trust and it works like a charm.
BTW, I love telling girls that they're coming along well in the GuruTrainingProgram, as a C&F line.
Oh, for handling girls who take the C&F too seriously in set, or if they take it too far themselves and make ME feel uncomfortable, I just comment on how "That was weird" and say something like, "Let's drop the cocky-funny testing-each-other-to-see-if-we-can-take-it shit and switch to genuine-mode for a while. It's been fun, but now it's time to cool off and be genuine with each other." Something like that. I say it very matter-of-fact.
Another great technique I use is to mimic them. If they act or say some bratty shit, I'll say the same sentence back in a mocking (playful!!!) tone. I learned it on the playground.
If they're REALLY pissy, and I feel I don't sincerely owe her an apology, because I know I didn't do anything that was THAT bad, I will sincerely apologize, put a thoughtful look on my face and say, "Actually, no I don't". Then I'll jump back as if I think she's going to beat me up and go, "OK! OK! You're right... I apologize... Wait, no... No I don't" and they start laughing.
If they're really uncontrollable, I'll lean in all curious and go, "EXCUSE ME, you seem upset." She'll pause and go, damn right I am. Hehe, it's funny to watch how it diffuses them. I learned alot of shit working for the Irate Department at a phone company. Then I'll go, "Would you care to double that feeling? That's right, double it again, make it bigger, make it brighter, make it HOLD ON LET ME SEE THAT PICTURE...(grab hold of imaginary picture and make a tearing motion with sound) ...Didn't like that picture, HERE, try this one, CALM! (make a stopping motion with hand, and hold eye-c, and go into a calm state myself)"
To me, the second you take her bratty behavior seriously is the second you lose her.
My primary knows I'm smitten with HB18 and is feeling very jealous. Last night she came over, grabbed the cat, and refused to even talk to me for the first 30 minutes. Most guys would try to bring her out of her shell, but to me, the act of trying makes it worse. I accept any and all responses girls give me, just like a good hypnotist. I looked at her and said, "It's nice to see you. Obviously you don't feel like talking right now, so it's probably best that you don't. You won't have anything nice to say anyhow (playfully)" She smiled and said, "You're probably right" BOOM, she's opened up and smiling with me.
She said that she can't take it anymore. She can live with me FUCKING other girls, but she knows I'm in love now and she can't accept it. I just listened while she unloaded all this pre-recorded resistance. When she was done, I simply said, it's okay. Everything is okay. I understand. I don't know how I would deal with it if you fucked another guy. On the one hand, I WELCOME THE COMPETITION (such a key line in my game), and on the other, my animal-instincts want to protect you and make sure that no other males impregnate you." She busted up laughing and tackled me with affection. SHIT TEST PASSED. Then I told her that if she can't handle it and isn't happy that she should leave and that I wish her all the love she deserves. Then I reassured her that she is my number one girl and how strange it is, I never expected her to feel threatened by a teenager...
She said that she was happy for me (bull), etc., and just wants to be friends. I understand completely. She said "we'll just cuddle and watch movies and talk. I agreed. Then she tried to kiss me, so I pulled back and said, "Cuddling AND making out?? I don't know..." (playfully said) and she grabbed me and kissed me hard and started going sexual. Once we got to the point where I'm supposed to shove it in, I said, "I can't do this" and got off of her. I said, "I want to, and I'm so turned on by you, it's just that I feel like you're trying to re-own me, like you're marking your territory or something, and it's making me uncomfortable."
She admitted this was true, and apologized. Then I said, "I need you to tell me that you want me, and still feel the same way about me. I still want you very much and I'm feeling vulnerable right now." She told me what I needed to hear (and then some), so I fucked her brains out. Congrats, I've completely turned it around and made her chase me fully. The next morning we fucked again, but I told her that I didn't want to get into the kinky shit, that I needed to just feel loved. So of course now I have permission to go as far as I want sexually. Once *I'M* feeling comfortable. I swear I'm a chick now : )
Another key piece in my game is the age-regression stuff. Most of what I say is FUNNY to girls because of the voice tone I adopt. TD is also a master of this. You talk to them with the tone of a six year old and they get sucked in BIGTIME. Sometimes I swear my girls just keep coming back for more because of my ability to speak baby-talk with them.
Just like I'm her DADDY, I'll reduce my voice down to that of a child when I want to vibe/have rapport, and when I need to LEAD THEM I'll switch to an authoritarian voice tone. Combine this shit with C&F and genuine communication and you're a fucking master PUA, no matter how shit you are at memorizing the slick lines and routines.
A very money compliment to give girls is, "I love how you can just look me in the eye. So many people look away, don't they? It's refreshing to meet someone who isn't afraid to just LOOK at you." I try to use that one as soon as I pass the hook-point. Of course, what happens when two strangers meet and develop intense, warm eye-contact with each other? They fall in love. By telling her this, she will triple the amount of eye-contact with me and it's now cool for me to use sexy bedroom eye stuff on her without coming across like a creepy stalker. IOW, she'll be open to it.
Then I'll talk about the eyes DHV style and teach her a bunch of stuff, WHILE we communicate "let's fuck" with our eyes. It's pretty powerful with certain girls. It's almost like I get permission to seduce her when I do this.
Weird, I don't use routines anymore, unless I'm under alot of social pressure, because everything I do now is a fucking routine. It's second-nature.
Another great C&F line, "LOOK... I know I make your clitty tingle (pause for laughter), but slow down okay? We have all night."
Now I'm gonna brag about HB 18. This girl is an 11 by my standards. She's the total package: Bi-sexual (very), wants to learn the game from me so we can threesome, is the best lay I've EVER HAD (She sucks dick JUST AS WELL as Jenna Jameson), has no sexual-hangups whatsoever, is completely and utterly in love with me, washes dishes, bakes me dinners and deserts, and when I asked her why she likes to please me so much she said, "Pleasing you gives me my sense of power and independance. We're all here to serve." Yes, she is even spiritual, self aware, funny, and charming. Every guy falls in love with her. She is the ultimate chick PUA, with serious tight game. When I told her that I'm seeing 4 girls, she said, "I'd rather play second fiddle than not be in the band at all. I've been looking for a guy like you my whole life. You can tell your girls that I will act as their slave anytime."
Another thing is she does everything I say. Everything. Think Stepford Wives, think I dream of Jeanie. I have won the chick lottery. Guys, this girl is also GORGEOUS. Picture Catherine Zeta Jones at 18 years old. I call her "My little teenager."
Maximillian Hell:
Great short article on body language in PU:
Some Brit anthropologists observed men sarging and found what did and didn't work:
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-
Somewhat interesting article on female wings-for-hire:
www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/fashion/10WING.html
Mark B.:
> Jason: The vast majority of women don't care about looks, they really don't.
MB: WRONG, they do but they just won't say it or admit to it. Again as I said earlier what is the extent of his involvement with her? Is he fucking her or are they just friends and out together? And even if the guy is butt ugly, many women have this innate ability to live in denial and convince themselves that the guy is indeed good looking. Many. Furthermore do you really want a woman to be with you because she feels she does not have much choice or because she is in denial? What does that say about the guy? Or even about her?
And exactly what is this illusive idea of massive success? To me massive success is sex, being naked with a hot woman in your bed or her bed and fucking her brains out. Staying the night boning her brains out - that is success. It's not about suddenly being able to hold a 5 minute conversation with a woman and making her laugh because she finds the guy amusing. But I can see how guys who have never really connected with a woman who now suddenly can talk to one for 5-10 minutes who feel they now are achieving massive success. The bottom line is show me her underwear!
> Jason: Even when they say they want Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp, how many times have you seen that same bitch out with a muthafucka that looks like Don Rickles?
MB: Its so rare that its not even worth mentioning. I have never seen some fat ugly dude, maybe some skinny ugly dude, but never some really butt ugly dude in a sexual romantic relationship with any woman over 7. Maybe the 6's and less but never at or over 7, unless its for money and she is not fucking him.
> Jason: That right, because Don's game is TIGHT. And that's what matters.
MB: That's like saying "Donald Trump is rich because he knows how to make money, that's what matters". No shit, that's what matters, but what is it that he actually does, eh? What is his mysterious illusive "game", what are the elements of this "game"? And if we can define it, why are there so many men out there that have such a hard time connecting?
> Jason: No bitch is going to care about you being Asian or looking like some punk-ass movie star unless you do. And YOU do.
MB: No, they actually they do care. You'd be surprised how many do care. They may say they don't obviously because they don't want to appear standoffish or otherwise, but they do care. The real test is who they are actually fucking and how often.
> Jason: It's good stuff. Or just stand in front of a mirror, naked, and tell yourself how much you love yourself, how much you love your body. Tell yourself that you love and approve of yourself. Once you embed this as a gut-level, unshakable belief, that love is what you'll radiate and this is what women will sense. And then your game will be tight. And then all the women will want to play. And you make up the rules.
MB: That is a recipe for disaster because it uses denial and self deception as a way of achieving some sense of inner worth. You just can't be nothing and convince yourself you are something and expect others to respond in kind. Things just don't work like that. Zero times a billion is still zero. You have to develop something within that which is of value - a skill, some achievement, something that you can offer. You just cannot go around thinking you are so fucking great and expect others to follow. Your inner being needs to match the type of response you get from the outer world. In the end if you think you are so great, but no one seems to think so or care, YOU ARE NOT THAT GREAT. Period. You just set yourself up for even greater levels of frustration when you don't get the response you expect as you try to reconcile your inner experience with your outer.
And my question is "how does having a sense of inner worth translate to having a 'tight' game"? How does one actually begin to behave in a way that is different from when they did not feel a sense of self worth? And how can you go around convincing one's self of your own inner value when no one else sees it?
> Dwacon: In my experience, women tend to not let on to what they are thinking. There are occasions, however, where they blurt out their thoughts. In essence, "thinking out loud." Last month, I was conversing with a woman who was a potential business colleague -- the convo was strictly business. So imagine my surprise when she blurted out from left field she felt that I was "so s*xy" and had a "magnificent animal magnetism." Needless to say, business went directly to the back burner (no pun intended). I've been wondering about this "animal magnetism" comment... wondering if perhaps this has been an asset in times of success or a liability in times of failure? I notice in general that women (in actions and/or comments) take the Alpha Male persona as a bit overpowering. On some occasions, it is a good thing. For instance, while in the gym a number of girls can't stop staring or finding excuses to work out near me. Still, others seem shy and intimidated.
MB: After my run-in with the Canadian justice system, after my physical appearance dramatically changed, the same thing began happening to me. Women would begin blurting things out among other things. Say things along the lines of "I have not had good sex in a while" or "I would take you on a trip around the world with me" and "I am looking for a sex buddy," etc. These began to happen despite the fact that I was very depressed, down and had little to no sense of esteem left. Life had been ripped out of me due to what happened yet somehow I began getting all this free attention. So much for feeling a sense of inner worth as a necessary component of meeting and bedding women. Often the more subdued and cynical I get the more I get laid.
Just to add:
My training partner is half black half white. His mother is Polish and his father was from Ghana. He is 6'4" in great shape with a six pack and a nicely defined physique. He looks somewhat like one of those Milli Vanilli guys back from the early 90's that got busted for lip syncing their songs. Basically, a great looking handsome, tall guy. Regardless, now he is 35 and married to a beautiful statuesque Polish beauty. She is 5'9" with a gorgeous fresh country girl face, high cheek bones, slim with a nice full rack. On top of that she is 23 so hence there is a 12 year age difference between them.
He claims that from the age of 13 right up to when he got married at 32, he slept with 300 women. He showed me 5 phone albums, that he keeps at his friend's house for his wife's sake, filled with pics of him in various forms of embrace with some of the most stunning women you will find, from all over the world. Once every few months he lets me listen in to messages women leave him on his cell phone - these are women with whom he had flings before he married and with whom he has not spoken in years, yet they still call once in a while to see if he is available. He is faithful to his wife yet still finds these calls and messages amusing.
He recalls stories about how he seduced various women over the years, one as young as 13 (in Europe where it's legal) and one as old as 48. He recalls stories of threesomes with him and his buddies and with two women at a time. What about his "game" - he says he would tell women the most outrageous things - he would tell them they are the most beautiful women in the world, how he thinks of them, how much they mean to him, how he never met any woman like her, etc. He worked for a while at some flower wholesale place and would regularly give women upwards of 48 roses just to tell them how special they were to him. BUT he never talked about relationships - he just made them feel special and went for sex. Naturally on their own they would assume he wanted a relationship, but once he tired of them he moved on and on and on and on.......he has been with so many women here that I actually found out he was with one girl that went to elementary school with me and another one that my aunt knows and works with at some h
ospital.
One day while hearing his stories I asked him about what he did to connect with that many women - what his method was and whether or not he ever had women that said "no" to him. He said that he never really knew what he did to succeed because the women that he met and bedded were ones which gave him some indication of interest first. In other words they either smiled at him, gave him a lingering look with eye contact or they initiated a conversation and he simply followed with his interest. He said that he rarely managed to score some babe if he was the one that came up to her first. Most of the ones with whom he connected somehow gave him an indication of interest first.
So you tell me what was the deciding factor....
Cliff's Comment: I don't think anyone has ever said that looks do not play some role. The problem here is that you are fixated on this one aspect of what attracts women and it's a moot point. You do what you can with what you have (certainly look your best and keep improving to look better), but many guys are simply in the situation that they have to deal with the cards they have been dealt and telling them that they won't be as successful as a good looking guy is of no real value. The reality is, and it seems clear that I have seen this much more than you have, is that there are a great number of very attractive women who can be attracted by other factors than your looks. If you don't have good looks, are you telling them to just look the best they can and be hopeful that some woman will like them? This is worthless advice to someone who needs to use anything else to attract because they don't have the looks. It also goes against what is probably the "prime directive" of the PUA/seduction community and that
is to create choice for the man - we learn what we are learning so that we can be the ones choosing, not women. Of course they will have to go along, but the idea is not to be dependent on someone else's ability to choose. There's no question that women are attracted to good looking men - but I think it is also true that men with great personalities will also attract and, in my opinion, do better when they are in control of the interaction than if they are relying only on physical attributes to bring them success. Take a look at the success the guru has been having (see above) - he rates himself only a "7". I can start listing a lot of guys I know or know of who are not classically handsome who are very successful with women but I don't think that you will believe this until you see it for yourself.
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Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.set nalife.com. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
Dates of upcoming Events: --
November 12-14 Philadelphia
November 19-21 Las Vegas
November 25-29 Individual Programs Seminar space only
December 3-5 Chicago
December 10-12 Chicago Seminar space only
December 17-19 Denver
January 7-9 Las Vegas Seminar space only
January 14-16 Dallas
Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars
Finished for 2004
Your Mind in Business
Finished for 2004
Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has finished his schedule for 2004.
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
Tentative: Las Vegas beginning of 2005.
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
www.davidshade.com SEMINAR
What would it be like to have everything you've ever wanted sexually with the women in your life?
The Advanced Sexual and Psychological Techniques to Drive Your Woman Wild
* Learn the aspects of bringing out the ruthlessly expressive sexual creature in your woman.
* Discover how to bring out her deepest desires, and even desires she never knew about.
* Learn the ways to mentally stimulate her to make her wildly crazy about you.
* Find out how to excite and fulfill her beyond her wildest dreams.
* Know that you can create and enjoy a relationship with a woman who is completely loyal and responsive to you.
This seminar will demonstrate to you what it means to be the personally and sensually powerful man that sexual women are longing to be with.
One of the greatest benefits of attending this seminar is that you will discover how to find a high quality woman and keep her screaming for more.
Presented by David Shade, the author of David Shade's Manual.
NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on Sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.badboylifestyle.com
UK (Europe) - December 9-10-11 - $850.00 (SOLD OUT)
Individualized Workshop (1on1) Zagreb (Croatia) - December 16-17-18 - $1499.99 Instuctors: Cortez, Badboy
London, UK - January 6--7-8(2005) - $999.95 (SOLD OUT) Instructors: Shark, Badboy
Individualized Workshop (1on1) Zagreb (Croatia) - January 20-21-22 - $1499.99 Instuctors : Badboy, Cortez, Shark
Cancun, Mexico - March 10-11-12 (2005) - $995.95
Cancun, Mexico - March 24-25-26 (2005) - $995.95
Cancun, Mexico - March /April 31 - 1-2 (2005) - $995.95
Amsterdam - April 21-22-23 (2005) - $995.95 Instructors: Shark, Badboy
You can make a deposit ($200) for a workshop on Paypal and send money to: nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! www.seductionlair.com/
The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!
Pick-Up 101
Taught at the Project San Francisco Mansion by Sensei and Wilder. Classes are a combination of lecture and tons of personal attention with supervised fieldwork in the evenings. The Fundamentals are hammered home: Opening, Generating Attraction, Isolation and Bridging. We work with each student to highlight their strengths and create a congruent image and identity. We also work with students to make their _own_ structured openers and attraction stories. Finally, we bring in live girls for the guys to practice on and we video tape and critique these sessions. There is no faster way to get up to speed on the fundamentals of pick-up than this workshop. And any PUA who has truly mastered the fundamentals is already in the top 5% of guys out there doing this stuff. Pricing, workshop schedules and student testimonials available at our website, www.pickup101.com
Here's the updated and upcoming Pick-Up 101 Workshop info:
Fist, we're instituting a referral program for our workshops. Anyone you refer from outside the community who signs up for our fundamentals workshop, now called The Art of Attraction, we'll pay you $50 cash or $100 credit toward future workshops (stay tuned for massive results from our Study Groups.)
Upcoming events:
Nov. 16: Sponsoring 8-minute Speed Dating Event, San Francisco
Nov. 19-21: November Art of Attraction (Fundamentals) Workshop, San Francisco
Dec. 17-19: December Art of Attraction (Fundamentals) Workshop, San Francisco
Jan. 14-16: Art of Attraction Workhp in Sydney, Australia
Jan. 21-23: Art of Attraction Workhp in Sydney, Australia
*** And a new one!
Nov. 21, 8pm to 10pm: Free Orientation Workshop...
This is a 2 hour free workshop where we introduce people to what we do. It a great place to come meet the instructors, see the Project San Francisco Mansion and check out upcoming classes. Everyone has friends that aren't in the community, and it gets to be a pain winging with them because they don't know anything. This is the place to bring them. It's free, and it'll get them excited about the community and you'll get your wing back! This is a great opportunity to get referral fees, just bring them here to the free seminar and we'll do the rest!
Game on
Juggler is back!
See the sharp revised website at www.jugglermethod.com/. Juggler Method will be hosting Seminars and Workshops in English-speaking countries worldwide over the course of 2005. Timing is usually as follows:
- Fri-Sat: Weekend Workshop
- Sun: Seminar
- Mon-Tues: Weekday Workshop
1st Half 2005 Schedule (subject to change)
Dates Events Notes
Los Angeles: Dec 8-13 Workshops Dec 10-13 full, 8-9 added
San Francisco: Dec 17-21 Seminar and Workshops Seminar date: Dec 19
Dec 20-21 workshop full
San Diego: Dec 27-31 Workshops
London, England: Jan 7-16 Seminars and Workshops Seminar Date: Jan 9
New York: Jan 22 Seminar
Miami: Jan 28-Feb 1 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: Jan 30
Sydney, Aus: Feb 16-20 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: Feb 20
Austin: March 11-15 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: March 13
Washington, DC: March 25-29 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: March 27
Chicago: April 8-12 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: April 10
Toronto: April 22-26 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: April 24
London, England: May 6-15 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: May 8
San Francisco: May 20-24 Seminar and Workshops Seminar Date: May 22
Please email info@jugglermethod.com to reserve your spot today - both events are filling up quickly. If possible, please indicate the city of interest and either "Workshop" or "Seminar" in the subject line of the email.
Sanek has a new website up at fybb.eluid.org Check it out and see his comments.
Check out the 'supermarket of seduction' at www.seductionpro.com. Lots of interesting products to look into.
Impact Interaction (www.impactinteraction.com) @ London
Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.
The workshops include:
- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear
- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance
- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…
For more information go to www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.
Flirting Weekend London - 4/5 December 2004
Learn how to develop immense pulling power in every aspect of your life!
"Flirting isn't just about impressing the opposite sex and picking up a partner, it's about getting on with people", says Peta Heskell, the founder of Britain's only Flirting Academy. "Great flirts do it with everyone -flirt that is!" Flirting is a way of interacting with people that makes it fun and easy to connect with them and makes them want to be with you. Become super sexy, develop your conversation power, boost your confidence, courage and self esteem and find out how to approach strangers and feel good. You may be looking for love, want to make more friends or improve the way you interact with people in general.
Flirt with life. Flirt for love. Flirt for fun. Flirt for success.
For more information about the October Flirting Weekend in Bristol, contact
LifeTalks - tel. 0117 973 1010, email info@lifetalks.co.uk or visit www.lifetalks.co.uk For more information about the December Flirting Weekend in London and other workshops with Peta, contact The Attraction Academy tel. 0700 4 354 784 or
visit www.attractionacademy.com/
Have you ever asked yourself...
* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?
* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?
* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?
Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)
Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.
Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.
There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.
Step by Step Threesomes
Hey, check out Suzy Bauer's site and her e-book (we need a review, so someone get this and let us know what you think) about creating threesomes. Suzy is an attractive married bi-sexual woman who says that her e-book will show you what to do to create threesomes, how to overcome resistance and how no one can tell you how to do this better than a woman. www.stepbystepthreesome.com/
"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"
www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm
Maximillian Hell:
I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.
www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell
Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):
http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: www.dynamicsexlife.com/
Someone needs to check this site and its products out also: www.mensniche.com (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Daniel:
If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
Carlos Xuma:
Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, sex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm
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has a system and set of Tarot Cards that he his going to be launching soon. Find out more at his website.
P.S. Try magic words 'ben' 'rap' and 'nlp'.
A few sites to check out:
Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).
Check out Payton Kane www.seduceandconquer.com. VERY interesting. There will be a review of his product here shortly.
Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com
The Foundations of Seduction
Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and
drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD www.sexualkey.com/
LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
Ron Louis and David Copeland have been doing several boot camp style one-on-one courses and have a seminar coming up November 12-14.
To find out more about the "Freedom with Women" seminar, go to www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/fww5.html
or contact davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com
HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. howtosucceedwithwomen.com/
1. You can receive a series of audio programs from the "Freedom With Women" seminar. This audio is not available anywhere else!
2. You'll get valuable email summations of these audio programs to "lock in" the learning and help you take action.
3. You'l get other special email lessons from the "Freedom with Women" seminar, all about finally having real freedom with the women you desire.
To get the free course, go to
www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/free-audio.html
Advanced Macking:
In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm
Michael:
If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level, you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminars in Toronto. It is two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.
There are also awesome guest speakers at these seminar:
To learn more about this special seminar, go to:
And follow the "Seminars" link.
And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.
Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!
Download it now at:
www.thedatingwizard.com/ And follow the link to "About The Dating Wizard"
FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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