She Was Sitting in Front of me Rubbing My Leg
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Payton Kane (www.seduceandconquer.com)
Robert Ruffo
Sin (www.Mysterymethod.com)
Steve Celeste (Toecutter) (www.smoothinteractions.com)
Steve Piccus (www.sensualawakening.com)
stRiPPed (www.nllounge.com, www.DutchSeduction.com )
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David Wygant (www.dwdating.com , www.davidwygant.com)
Will (www.youaresoinmyway.com)
Zan (www.enlightenedseduction.com)
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Blake Richards (IN10SE) (www.social-mastery.com)
David DeAngelo (www.doubleyourdating.com)
Elvis Preston King (bachelortours.blogspot.com)
Style (Author of "The Game")
Michael Emery (Bishop) (www.new-alpha.com)
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Dr Alex Benzer (www.thetaoofdating.com):
THE ULTIMATE BAD HABIT AND HOW TO GET RID OF IT (OR THE TAO OF MOTORCYCLE RIDING)
Last weekend I had a lot of fun in a motorcycle safety training course, and it reminded me of some of the stuff that I had discussed here before.
Learning how to ride a motorcycle, like the acquisition of any skill, is both fun and challenging. What you have to remember is that the same thing that makes it fun -- namely, stimulation, creation and establishment of new neural pathways -- is exactly what makes it challenging.
You're doing something new, so your whole brain is lighting up. That's the fun part. And, at the same time, because it's new, it's a challenge -- you've never done this before.
So don't you be complaining about the fact that it's tough, because that's not a bug -- it's a feature. Most of the time in life, fun = challenging.
It's also a pushing out of your comfort zone. Remember that everything that you want is outside of your comfort zone. Because if it were inside your comfort zone, chances are that you already have the thing in question (or it's so trivial as to not even be desirable to you). So, if you want to learn how to ride a motorcycle, you have to do things you're not accustomed to. Like learning the controls, doing tight turns, counterbalancing and shifting with your feet.
Now this all may seem obvious to you, but again: it's the obvious that we most often tend to overlook. That's why I make a point of repeating the obvious. But one thing happened to me that made me realize something that wasn't so obvious.
One of the skills you have to master to pass the motorcycle safety test is the U-turn test. Basically, there's a box, and you're supposed to make two U-turns in opposite directions in the box without putting your foot down or crossing the lines. Pretty straightforward.
We got a few chances to practice this test. We'd go in, slow down, do a figure-8 inside the box, and then return to the back of the line to do it again.
As it turns out, this was a challenging exercise for me.
Almost every time, I had to put my foot down, or I didn't get the speed right and I would venture outside of the box. This was definitely a skill that required some work.
But this is the funny part: by the third or fourth time I did this exercise, I noticed something. In order to get back in line to do the exercise again, I had to double back and make a very sharp turn. And every time I made this turn, I did it with speed and grace. And did not put my foot down even once. Never even occurred to me that it was a problem.
And it was basically the exact same maneuver that we had to do in the box.
Strange business.
So what was going on here?
Let's go back to the Tranxu quote from the last post:
"When the archer shoots for no particular prize, he has all his skills; when he shoots to win a brass buckle, he is already nervous; when he shoots for a gold prize, he goes blind, sees two target
s, and is out of his mind. His skill has not changed, but the prize divides him. He cares! He thinks more of winning than of shooting, and the need to win drains him of power."
That, my friend, was exactly what was happening. Once I was inside the box, I felt as if I was being tested and observed. I *cared*. And that's why I would botch it.
Whereas, when I was just getting back to the end of the line, I was just doing my thing, steering the bike the way I already knew how. The way my unconscious knew how.
So let me give you a new definition of 'caring': caring about your results equals getting in your own way. Pure and simple.
Because often what happens when you care is that you start to override your unconscious mind with your conscious faculty.
Is this a bad thing? Well, let me ask you this: If I were to ask you right now to get up and walk, but to do the whole thing by consciously picking every muscle you had to contract and relax, would that make you a better walker or worse?
You'd probably stumble and fall into a big uncoordinated heap within two steps. You have no *idea* how you walk, buddy. Deal with it.
There's the physiological reason why you're better off using your unconscious mind. And here's the metaphysical one: nothing forestalls your results faster than lusting after results.
When you 'care', like it or not, you are lusting after results. Stop that.
I brought up the story of my motorcycle lesson because this kind of thing manifests itself in incredibly insidious ways.
Consciously or not, we spend a huge amount of our lives trying to gain approval. We've gotten so used to this that sometimes we forget why we care about this approval in the first place.
Now, I could go into all the subtle ways in which you kiss up to your boss, try to make your friends think you're cool or make a show of being a good citizen. But this newsletter is about dating, so let me focus on that.
Chances are very good that if you are male and reading this newsletter that you have spent your entire life trying to get the approval of women. I'll be the first to admit that I'm guilty.
It all starts with the greatest woman of them all: mom. She brought you into this world, she taught you everything you know. And from day one, your survival depended on her approval.
Luckily, she already liked you from the start, but that didn't stop you from trying every little trick in the book to endear yourself to mom. Admit it: even as a grownup today, you could probably make a list of two dozen things you do (or don't do) to keep mom happy.
Then you grew up a little, and started noticing the cute little girls running around. And you wanted them to like you. And the model you had for making that happen was "get her approval" -- just like you did with mom.
If this is all old hat to you and you've already broken out of this model, congratulations. You are a far more developed, aware human being than most of the people on this planet.
But chances are that you, like me, have vestiges of this behavior still operating. So what I want you to do is this: actually make a list of all the things you do in your dealings with women, ranging from the smallest scale stuff to the big stuff. Do you wear cologne? What kind? Where do you live? What kind of car do you drive? What do you wear when you go out?
Now in a column next to that, I want you to be perfectly honest with yourself as to *why* you do that thing you do. You have only two answers to pick from: you do it because it makes you happy and enriches your life; OR you do it because it just might make girls like you better.
So the two possibilities to the answer 'Why?' are 'Because of me' and 'Because of others (especially girls).'
Now you have the list. And a useful exercise is to just go through it systematically and, one by one, expunge all those behaviors that are there to get approval from girls.
Because every bit of time and energy that you spend on getting approval from others (girls or otherwise) is time and energy you can't spend on making you happy and enriching your life -- what I call FULFILLMENT.
Funny thing is that every week I get letters from guys saying that their most successful outings are when they're all grungy, unshaven, in a total "I don't give a damn" mode and they just show up somewhere to watch a game or chill out. And, lo and behold, some dream woman materializes and won't leave our man alone.
Does this sound familiar to you at all?
So the practical lesson is this: replace the approval-seeking mindset with the "let's just see what happens and have fun with it" mindset. Instead of lusting after results, you are watching the fabulous, miraculous experiment called Life unfolding around you.
Now, am I saying that you should deliberately ignore your hygiene and dress poorly, because that's how you're going to be successful with women? Nice try, but that's just another (somewhat smellier) way of getting approval.
What matters here is *intention*. Why are you doing what you are doing? You could do anything and no matter how ridiculous it is, as long as it comes from a wellspring of deep self-acceptance, then it's empowering you. It adds energy TO you. If it's just another bait for the world to like you back, it's taking energy AWAY from you.
I went through a lot of stuff in this letter, so let's summarize the key points:
1) Any new journey of learning will be both fun and tough.
There's a lot of new information and potentially foreign ways of looking at the world and dealing with it in The Tao of Dating (www.thetaoofdating.com). I don't expect you to learn it all instantly. Take it easy on yourself, avoid judging yourself, and enjoy the process.
2) The whole purpose of The Tao of Dating is to get out of your own way so you can get to the success and fulfillment you're already programmed to achieve. Have faith in the workings of the universe. Learn to practice surrender. As Lao Tzu says in Chapter 48 of the Tao Te Ching,
"In pursuit of knowledge, every day something is added.
In the practice of the Tao, every day something is dropped.
Less and less do you need to force things, until finally you arrive at non-action.
When nothing is done, nothing is left undone.
True mastery can be gained by letting things go their own way.
It can't be gained by interfering." And if the surrender thing is not working, it means you're not surrendering nearly enough.
3) As a practical manifestation of the previous point, do the exercise of writing down your approval-seeking behaviors and resolve to get rid of one of them per week. Write the behavior in question down, stick it on your cell phone or wallet, and become aware of its presence in your life. Then either replace it with something more useful and fulfilling or reframe it such that it's not about approval-seeking.
Example: if you're one of the people who wears those ridiculous strategically-ripped designer jeans (the 1980s ended once, and they will again) because you think people might think you look cool in them, either chuck them and wear non-perforated pants, or only wear them on hot days because they provide better ventilation. Be a trend-SETTER, not a fad follower.
4) Raise your standards. One way of getting rid of the 'caring' phenomenon is to raise your standards such that they are so much higher than those of anyone who could be observing you that you couldn't possibly be worried about what they think. Your goal is to lead a fulfilling life according to YOUR standards, not those of anyone else.
5) Work on the non-doing. As an extension of Exercise 3, resolve to systematically rid yourself of artifice. Tricks and techniques are cute and can get you short-term results, but they are real impediments to long-term fulfillment (those who know what I'm talking about, give me a holler).
They're like training wheels -- they help you get by, but very soon will get in your way.
And, the live Tao of Dating seminar is finally coming -- June 2-4 in Los Angeles! We'll have a series of f r e e preview teleseminars leading up to it, so look out for them -- you can sign up at www.thetaoofdating.com.
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JMack:
I thought it would be helpful to me to start sending in some field reports, successes and failures. This e-mail has definitely helped me rethink and reconstruct my game, for which is still in rAFC state, and even if it hasn't, it has certainly given me entertainment during the monotonous classes I attend when not sarging (I'm actually sitting in one of these classes as I type). Anyway, on to the good stuff.
It was a Saturday night in January, and I had plans to go to out with my dorm mates, TKMC, Stevo, and Shoy. Stevo and Shoy are both athletic, tall and have dark-black complexions. Apart from that, they have very separate personalities: Stevo is pretty shy and is an AFC in almost all respects, constantly getting roped into lame friendships and needy girlfriends; Shoy is a complete natural, in complete command of his personality, and juggles random hookups and his Asian 9 girlfriend. TKMC is roughly 5', Indian, and not particularly attractive, but is probably the most confident, fun-loving guy I know. He's the physics nerd that DJs and MCs on the weekends.
Awesome dudes, and fun to get hammered with. Stevo and I had been invited to a birthday party at Au Bar for a mutual girl friend. I can't particularly stand this girl, but I knew she had some hottie friends and the open bar was too much for any of us to resist. The party started at 10, so we arrived at 11, but turns out the birthday girl had to have a line outside of her own fucking party and didn't show up till 11:15. Bitch.
We get in and immediately head to get a drink, as the open bar was ending at midnight. Au Bar has a very chilled out vibe despite it's pricey-ness--lots of couches and draperies, pan-Asian style, with a nice dance floor and a long bar. As we got in, no one was on the dance floor and only a few people were scattered on the couches. As we got our drinks, I opened a girl next to me, who was a 6 at best, but I thought it'd be nice to warm up or maybe use her as a pawn later.
Me: So how to do you know the birthday girl?
Chick: Oh, we went to summer camp together, blah blah blah
I saw pretty quickly that this girl was less entertaining than watching paint dry, so I decided to fuck with my friend.
Me: Hey, do you know Stevo?
Chick: No, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!
I know, that's not a very nice thing to do, but Stevo needs to be forced into most social situations as is, and I'm not a very nice person I guess. Shoy flies solo in most cases, so TKMC and I took a lap and spotted 2 HB 8.5s. TKMC knew the 3-second rule intrinsically before I told him about it, so we were off. I tried the same opener as I did with the chick I ditched Stevo with, which I realized instantly was a mistake, as these girls had no affiliation to the birthday party. Au Bar's a posh spot, and I was fucking stupid to think that our friend had rented the whole place. I tried to salvage the set by talking up our friend's party, but it quickly became a crash-and-burn. We decided to get another round, and there Stevo gave me an enthusiastic "What the fuck?" so I told him we should go find some other girls. A 2-set with a 9 and a 7 was going well at my opener (Looks like the party is right here) but Stevo was like a deer in headlights, and could not bring himself to utter a word. They got bored quick. I snapped at him for being a wallflower and he surprisingly rose to the challenge, and approached another 2-set of 7s on the side of the dance floor. Both were blonds, one slightly skinnier than the other. His set, so he got the skinny one. We ended up isolating pretty quickly, and I can't say exactly how he macked it, but he pretty much started dancing with her and let his body do the talking. I wasn't about to bust a move just yet--I wanted to make sure this girl was good to go. Turns out these girls went to NYU with our birthday girl and were on the equestrian team with her. After a neg about her clothing, a palm reading and a little fluffing, TKMC appears with the most amazing, spontaneous DHV gimmick I've ever had the pleasure of pulling off:
TKMC: (to me) excuse me, are you JMack?
Me: ummm, yeah
TKMC: No, I mean are you THE JMack, the best freestyle rapper at Columbia University?
Me: (Noticing the girl is listening intently) I don't know if anyone would go that far...
TKMC: (interrupting for perfect effect) No way man! I've seen you're videos on iTunes and shit, you're amazing! You gotta spit for me.
**TKMC and I love hip-hop and freestyle whenever possible. The music playing was extremely conducive to dropping some rhymes. This was not putting me on the spot in anyway.**
Me: I don't know, I'm just trying to have a good time tonight
TKMC: No man, you have to.
Chick: Yeah! Please!
So I dropped a few rhymes. They were far from my best, but that didn't matter. The din of the club was loud enough to drown out my voice anyway, and no matter what I rhymed, TKMC was quick to scream, "HOLY SHIT! OMG, HE'S AMAZING." Meanwhile, the girl was eating it up. She couldn't believe I had such an unique talent that received recognition from complete strangers. Yeah, TKMC wasn't a stranger, but the talent was real! TKMC ejects soon after this, and after dancing with the girl for a minute I'm hooking up with her on the dance floor. I number closed her soon after that, as did Stevo with his girl. We ended up running into them on the way out, where two other guys were gaming it to them. I quickly killed their game and they wandered off, but sadly we would not be seeing these girls again. We did a little too much dry-humping on the dance floor, and I left Stevo in charge of making plans with them the next weekend, which was a mistake. I knew his girl felt a little slutty after wrapping her legs around Stevo on the floor. My girl had a tongue-ring, which I had visualized on my dick throughout the night. Fuck it.
Turns out TKMC got a # close and Shoy got 2, so we were all riding high on our good luck and the 5 rounds of drinks we had. We realized that it was 12:30, and McSorley's, the third oldest pub in America that serves great beer (light and dark, that's all they got), was closing at 1. We split up the cabs, and I'm with TKMC and Shoy. We end up getting out of the cab about 6 blocks early, and walk by a music venue which I forget the name of, and notice a 5-set, 3 girls two guys. Game on. I open with the party line, which the girls thought was funny since they were sitting on a stoop. The guys were flabbergasted that we were approaching them, betraying their beta natures. We were all working well until a bouncer came from the venue to tell us to keep moving. Despite Shoy's superior size, he can't handle alcohol with the same tolerance as TKMC and myself. He begins trash talking the bouncer, the girls bid a hasty retreat, and TK and I start dragging him down the street and apologizing, as 2 other enormous bouncers started circling us like sharks.
We're a few blocks from McSorleys, and I notice 3 guys and 2 girls walking in the same direction, and they are Indian, and I know TKMC's been fiending for a woman of common heritage. I yelled out, "Bengali, what what?!?!" the set burst open. TKMC played it pretty laid back, asking what part of India she was originally from (and I was dead on when I guessed Bengali, which is what TK is, how fucking tight is that?) I immediately swooped in on what looked like her boyfriend, started talking about anything to distract him. His eyes were constantly darting between his girl and me, but he was too polite to break free of my boring conversation. Shoy was doing a kind of GM style thing to help TKMC. Anytime the girl said anything with the remotest reference to TKMC, Shoy would grab their bodies and push them together, saying, "oh, you're both Bengali, kiss, make love, kiss!" Shoy caught up with me while TKMC excused his drunken friends and number closed her. Wingmen unite!
We got to McSorley's and pounded as much beer as we could drink. McSorley's is not the spot to sarge, as it is overflowing with stingingly drunk AMOGs. We were planning on hitting another bar, but Shoy got sick and we had to take him home (vomit flying out of the cab window and barfing into a cup of water at a diner were the highlights of that). In reviewing my game, I'd say my weakness was that I got too far into the seduction in a place where I couldn't fuck. And maybe a little karma from sacrificing Stevo to the boring chick. Comments are, of course, appreciated.
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Rhino:
I'm at this bar, there’s a stagette going on. This girl approaches me and says she’s raising money for the bride and if I pay her a dollar she'll let me eat one off her neck. Now I'm no more interested in this girl than a park bench, but I like to practice so I start cracking jokes and (can't remember exactly what happened) but she said something along the lines of "You think you’re so hot but you’re not." And walked away, throwing me off so I didn't get a chance to come back. So I thought to myself I need to be better prepared and handle it bit differently.
Just so happens, I'm in the same bar a few weeks later, there’s another stagette going on, and some smokin ' hot girl comes up to my friend and I with the future bride, and says we can pay $2 to eat a candy off her neck. So I look at her, and say something along the lines of ‘there’s no chance, she should be paying me to eat the candy off her neck. How much are you payin' me? ’ Both of them were shocked for a second.
This is where I really began to see how this Seduce & Conquer (www.seduceandconquer.com/seducewomen) works. Now I was interested in the hot friend, but the future bride who has yet to say anything at this point gets closer and is giving me googly eyes (this is the look chicks give when they’re into someone). My friend keeps the conversation going with the hot girl and I'm paying attention to it so I can jump in and work her. Then I notice the bride pulls up a chair facing me, and sits down. She doesn't take her eyes off me. The bride isn't hot so I'm not interested and paying more attention to the other conversation. So she starts rubbing my leg with her foot, and won't take her eyes off me. So it’s pretty plain to me at this point that she’s good to go, however even in my sauced condition she’s not hot enough. Since I wasn't interested and she was getting on my nerves (it pisses me off when chicks I don't like stare at me, talk to me, etc.) I pulled the pin and walked, planning to work the hot friend later but I didn't end up seeing her again.
While at one time I wouldn't have known what happened, it makes complete sense now that Payton Kane has taught me what the hell is going on. Most guys jump at the chance to pay to eat candy off a girl's neck, and the hot friend made it that much more appealing. When I did the opposite, it completely threw them off and the bride was instantly attracted. I was the only guy that night who provided such a challenge, and unfortunately I would expect her future husband is already boring her and letting her control him. She wanted me so bad she was giving all the signs it was go time, and when one didn't work she increased her efforts till she was sitting in front of me rubbing my leg.
I have to admit, even though I've had some experience with S & C, this really opened my eyes to how effective it is when used in the right context.
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AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PORTLAND, MAINE
I'm starting a lair in Portland, Maine so we can truly be "the way life should be"!
Starting with a dozen AFCs & PUAs and looking to grow and share our skills.
Send email to magickman@maine.rr.com if you wish to join.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.
SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.
EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/
ISRAEL LAIR:
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to www.tironut69.com/"> www.tironut69.com
DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an rAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
A new lair is starting up in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus will be regularly going out and working in the field. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuingthe PUA lifestyle; email Matt on moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and rAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: wingman.meetup.com/6/ or www.dallasseductionlair.com/"> www.DallasSeductionLair.com
DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum ( www.dallaspua.com/forum"> www.dallaspua.com/forum ), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to www.dallaspua.com/"> www.DallasPua.com
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich lair has been setup for rAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ www.nyclair.com/"> www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com/"> www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit www.indialair.com/"> www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and rAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ATLANTA:
I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com
HOUSTON:
www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au
Melbourne Lair: The place, an open shopping center in the heart of the city. I sit down at the food court and wait for familiar faces to arrive. I picked the location of this months meeting of the Melbourne Lair, Its great to have it in an informal place like a food court, sets a nice relaxing mood. Once everybody arrives we push some tables together and start the meeting. We discuss peoples sticking points and offer suggestions, we tell stories of crash and burns and success stories. We just shoot the sh*t, it f*cking great to meet up with like minded people. While telling someone my smurf routine, I see two guys get up from the table and start walking away, I glance back later to see them sitting with a girl, these guys are approach machines.
The meeting goes on way too f*cking long, everybody's got a story to tell, advice to offer, we could talk to each other for days. I feel like this is Ocean's 11 and we are planning the big heist. There is the leader, he started the group. The guru, he's an encyclopedia of info. There is the joker, he can't stop negging and teasing everyone; f*cking Canadians. There's the approach machines, they can't follow the conversation because they are too busy following the nearest piece of ass. There is the SSer, the grease boy and of course Brad Pitt. We all exchange numbers before leaving and make plans for sarging during the week. If there is a Lair in your area, join it, if there isn't, start one of your own. You will not regret it.
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who sarge regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit www.mysterymethod.com/"> www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
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Derek Vitalio:
Seduction Science Coming To Montreal & Toronto
Seduction Science Live In-Field Workshops!
The fact is, only by MODELING the very best can you achieve the very best. In a Seduction Science workshop, you'll meet and train with master coach McMaax who will take you to unique hot spots all over a particular city for meeting the most attractive, beautiful women. Your coach will demonstrate their skills and explain, teach, and show you how to interact with women at a club and on the street.
With a coach, you'll find an immediate shift in your skills and understanding with women as you see what it takes demoed live and right in front of you. And there's no reason to take the long and hard path or reinvent the wheel. After making hundreds of approaches, we've learned what works and what doesn't. We'll show you exactly how it's done and save you months, if not years of time.
You'll never have to go back to feeling lonely or lost and live passionately once again. Reserve your place as soon as possible (placing is limited!) so that you're guaranteed a spot.
For more information on the full workshop schedule visit: www.seductionscience.com/workshops
3-Day Live In-Field Workshops (all of these are Friday, Saturday, Sunday and cost $1,000.00 (deposit of $300 required) except for the NYC one)
April 28th, 29th, 30th Toronto, Canada 2 seats left!
May 12th, 13th, 14th New York City, US $1200 U.S. dollars 3 seats left!
May 19th, 20th, 21st Toronto,Canada 2 seats left!
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!
The first 2006 seminar is scheduled for LA, Jan 20, 21, 22. Look for more details soon, or call Dr. Yates at 903-482-1034. Price is $1,195. This seminar is ONLY open to those who own a Speed Seduction Home Study Course so you better hop on line and buy one now if you don't already have one and plan on attending.
Speed Seduction Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England September 15, 16, 17
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
Hawaii (Location - Tentative) October 22 thru 26
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England Sept 8, 9, 10
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Major Mark (www.trucor.com):
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality
A home study course by David Shade www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out at www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> www.alphalover.com . Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
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"The Seduction End-Game"
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