A little silver barbell!
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Cliff's Comment: Here is a pretty amazing story about a trip by one of my readers to meet Elvis in the Dominican Republic. You can meet Elvis in person at the Cliff's List Convention in two weeks.
Elliot:
Let me start with her eyes.
Wide, hungry and deep.
Until her smile transformed her into a little girl who looks like she is finally getting the lollipop she was promised.
Her skin...flawless and black...no lines on her face, silky and warm all over.
In my hotel room in Santiago.
For twenty minutes--spooning from the back--my left hand cupped on her left breast, my right finding the perfect arc of her left buttock--we stay.
Her breath comes slow and deep and her eyes are closed.
Natasha is the tenth girl I've slept with in three days and the most dangerous.
I'm falling in love...
Let me start from the beginning.
My friend Elvis is the King of pick up artists, and he's the first to say it himself. He has slept with 20,000 women and I believe him now.
However when I first arrived in Santiago at on Thursday night in early June, I had my doubts--like any rational person. How could he be that good and even if he was, how could it help me?
I'm a handsome devil of 5'5", have passed the half century mark and shave my head. I'm in good physical condition, but look more like Ben Kingsley than Brad Pitt. I've read tons of books and taken all the seminars and still was having trouble being comfortable with women. I tried resisting the idea that coming down was all an expensive mistake, an encounter with an ex car salesman hoaxster.
When Cliff wrote his clear-eyed report, I began to believe that I should try Elvis out.
Late that night, eating my "Sandwich Toledo" in the hotel restaurant, I saw the waitress with a bit of a shock. She looked just like Cathy, the Dominican designer in New York I had had a crush on for years. There seems to be a typical Dominican skin tone and facial feature (not to mention the traditional yummy backside). It almost seemed that I now had another chance to win her. I summoned up some courage and told her my story. She smiled but nothing more came of it, which was pretty typical.
Little did I know that thanks to Elvis and Alberto, I would be holding her hand the next evening and kissing her gently in the back of their jeep. Her smile would be different then--a deep yearning in her eyes--and she would be mine for the asking.
At 10:30 a.m. sharp, Elvis and Alberto meet me in the hotel lobby.
Elvis is floppy bellied, baggy eyed, mop topped and 57. Yet, his excitement of living is about what you could imagine a 5 year old opening his presents Christmas morning. Just think of how you'd feel when you realize you've won the lottery and that was Elvis most of the time. The presents he was unwrapping every day were 18 year old hot babes.
He talked American without an accent which was reassuring and he talked a mile a minute, just as he was taught being a successful door to door salesman. When he learned I was Jewish, he became uncharacteristically silent.
He told me about Mike, the wealthy Jewish playboy from his home city who had mentored him and made him the successful ladies man he was today. When he was nineteen, Mike persuaded him to sell women's clothing door to door. He began seducing his customers. Later he was also introduced to selling car franchises where he made his fortune which he later lost gambling on Dominican currency. What touched me was when he said that Mike had also gone from being rich to being poor when his brothers embezzled his inheritance and put him in an old age home. Elvis had tried to get him out and have him live with him--brighten up his last days with some free loving--but his family did not permit it.
By his count he's slept with 20,000 women and I believe him. I've seen him sleep with 4 in three days and he says he's slowing down.
Yet he's very tactful. I see him scanning my jeans.
"How am I dressed" I ask.
"Hey when Elvis wears jeans he still gets tons of women. It doesn't matter. But maybe you'd feel differently in slacks?"
I take his subtle advice and change into dark suit pants. I'm wearing a new lavender shirt, sliver wristband with green scarab stones on one hand and an intricately interwoven leather bracelet on the other. My trademark Panama hat gives me the feeling that I'm El Jefe.
Alberto was straightfaced and observant. He was about 6 foot and handsome and black. He had no desire to be liked and said whatever he felt. He always had good advice. He was the one who negotiated the women into making love.
Many times, multiple women at the same time.
We get into the jeep to cruise downtown Santiago and immediately I hear the sucking sound of my money being mooched for a million things. First we gas up, $60.00. Then phone cards, $36.00. Water and some food supplies. Elvis had me pay 60 cents for his shoe shine!
As Cliff reported, what we see downtown is a third world country. Guys selling whole roasted chickens on dirty sticks, guys waving fistfuls of cash to change into dollars. An entrepreneur with an old scale on a shaky bench announcing he is buying gold. A woman passes with a huge basket balanced on her head, walking rhythmically just as her ancestors had done.
The heat is like a sauna.
I begin to see the fabled King of Seduction at work. We walk together on the narrow, crooked sidewalks, narrowly missing being run over by Dominican car drivers. He has a manic grin.
"Hey you like them?" he calls to me, but he's already running after a three set
.
"Yo soy Elvis" he says, thrusting a torn piece of paper with his number at them. There are two little hearts on each side of the number.
The way he says it is like, Yes, I'm Elvis, I'm the King, you recognize me! I'm the man you dreamed about when you were a little girl. Maybe it started with the fear and fascination of the male power of her father and later was transformed into the magical certainty that a man would come and thrill her and redeem her from her poverty; to bring her into the happy land she knows she deserves.
Expressions turn from amusement into a smile. The pussy is talking, not the brain anymore. The eyes are hungry and curious, barely suppressing their excitement.
Yes, they take the paper. When he asks for their number, they write it. One girl is carrying an apple and delicately balances her precious paper on the apple for support.
We run through the stores carrying merchandise for 50 and 75 cents, Elvis scanning for fresh women and then running after them.
Lunch comes and we go back to my hotel. It's the only place I would trust the food. I am deathly afraid of catching some horrid parasite that would torture my stomach and make me live in the bathroom. I pay for lunch, of course.
The waitress I saw the previous evening is working. I tell them the story. Elvis' eyes light up. "I'll take care of that he says--high speed seduction like high speed cable, that's what we do."
I forget about it. Both are wonderful storytellers, full of useful philosophy of the war between the sexes. We are always talking excitedly about something. They've earned their battle medals through real experience.
The day is practically over. All I know is that a good amount of money has been subtracted from me and I've heard a lot of stories. Are they really just bullshitting?
"I have a girl lined up for you at 4:30," Alberto says.
The bachelor pad is a new two bedroom white house with a courtyard where you can catch a few breezes in the humid night. Not only is there no hot water, there is no cold water either. Nor is there electricity.
But don't worry, for some of Elliot's pesos, they get two guys to illegally hook up both.
Then I see her.
Sitting on the living room sofa, she looks like a well behaved tenth grader waiting for her test. Her push up bra shows she is a full woman, though.
Alberto advised me, "Don't say too much, you'll spoil it if you do."
I gaze at her flawless face and can't help saying "Tu sonrisa es muy amable" (Your smile is very friendly) and she smiles shyly.
My hand slips into hers and she squeezes it. She holds it. That is all I need to know.
Alberto gestures for me to go to the bedroom. I strip to my briefs and wait on the bed.
Alberto tells her I am an Americano looking for a Dominican sweetheart. But in America, the culture is different. There, the men all sleep with their girls before they become their novias (sweethearts). Luckily she hasn't been in America and doesn't know what fortune and heartache is usually required before even getting a kiss.
It is the same usually in the DR. First you get to know the family--all the members of the family--and after three months you get the peck on the cheek. Not in the world of Elvis and Alberto, though.
Lying on my elbow in the darkened bedroom, I see the door open, letting in golden light. Bienvenidos, I say with a soft voice.
She takes off her skirt and blouse and comes to me. I play the macho guy, lying back, letting her caress me first. I take off her bra without a slip. She slips a condom on and starts pumping away. Then all of a sudden I'm in her mouth, but have to stop her or else I'll come.
My fingers pass softly around her tender, melon-like breasts, down past her navel and teasing around her thighs. She has a very serious look on her face. We kiss. Her lips are soft and generous.
It all seems too wonderful to be true. When I'm licking her between her legs, I look up secretly to see her innocent face, open as a flower. I'm convinced she is "dormiendo con los angelitos" or dreaming with the angels.
When I enter, she seems hungry for it. I have to purposely slow her down to enjoy the rhythm. When we come, we're both sweating and relieved.
We dress, matter of factly, and I go to seek out Alberto. I'm full of gratitude. It's been a long time.
He advises me to give her a "regalo" or present if I want to. The equivalence of $30.00 and $3.00 for cab fare. She hasn't asked for anything and I'm more than willing to have her buy some perfume for herself or food for a week for her family.
I want to hug Alberto like a brother. All the inconveniences and expenses now seem like the best investment.
I'm standing in the kitchen perplexed.
Why are these girls throwing themselves on me? Back home in New York I've heard every excuse ever invented for "Let's Just Be Friends". Yet, over in the DR, they treat me, to borrow Elvis' phrase, like a "King".
There must have money involved, I think. But how could Elvis, one of the cheapest guys on earth, afford what was to be five girls for me the very first day? No, I don't believe he paid them a thing.
His explanation was first, I'm a Norteamericano White and the girls love the novelty and importance it brings in the eyes of their friends. And the second is Alberto's warm and friendly rapport with them. He says it is my custom to try out a girl in bed before I make her my novia and he is so persuasive and sexy at the same time, they believe him. The third reason is that they love to make love and don't have those awful societal prohibitions that our puritanical traditions have crippled our women with.
Alberto is a gentleman through and through. He made sure never to hurt their feelings, though he was macho with them at times. He suggested the equivalence of a $30 regalo or gift and $3.00 in taxi fare.
Now the girls never asked for this gift, but always graciously accepted it. One of the younger ones only asked for the Mars candy bar that was in the wet bar in my hotel room. (I gave it to her). Elvis, who was banging one or two girls a day never gave a regalo (he says he can't afford it now that he's lost the bulk of his money) and sometimes does not even give taxi fare which Alberto really despises.
So, we deliver my lovely flower to a taxi stand and off we go to a well deserved dinner in the hotel, for which I pay for Elvis and Alberto.
Alberto has something more set up--a two set this time. However, when we are leaving the hotel, we notice a young American Afro-American guest just getting a little kiss on the cheek from a chunky Dominicana who then sped away in her car.
Alberto and Elvis have this internal radar and know what has happened. Before even asking him, they know he met her, took her to a very expensive dinner at the hotel, then got one of the famous excuses why she had to go home.
Elvis introduces himself as the world's greatest pickup artist, to which I lend my recommendation. He talks him up about all the women he can get and Alberto sees a chance for an extra tip. He arranges to bring a girl for him.
All this is happening on my time, and I'm a little pissed.
A half hour goes by while Elvis and I wait in the lobby. Then Alberto's white jeep comes back with three girls, all 18-22, about 6's and 7's but with smoking bodies. He talks awhile with the black guy but is unable to make a deal for a small tip for himself.
Once again to be clear, no money is ever paid to the girls who are quite willing to go, but small tips are always appreciated.
So, what to do? We have three girls in the van, so how is Alberto going to smooth things out.
Well--he always has a solution!
We bring all three back to the bachelor pad. Alberto chats them up while I get friendly with the prettiest, hand in hand, hand on thigh--it's all very friendly. Alberto asks me if I'd like one, two or three--he doesn't know yet. I said just do the best you can.
I go into the bedroom and wait, as per our routine.
After about 15 minutes, the door opens and one, two AND three girls enter shyly.
Who is the first to "quitarse la ropa" or take off her clothes I ask. They have a friendly competition, and off come the pants and blouses.
They approach the bed gingerly as I lay back and wait for them. Gentleman that I am, I help them all off with their bras and then their tiny panties. Two of them who are old friends, appropriate my left and right nipples and start licking away, while the third, the most reserved, starts pumping away on my shaft. I take the sight in thoroughly enjoying the acres of naked flesh.
"I have to remember every second of this" I tell myself.
I can't stand it much more, so I take the role of director and tell them to all lie down on their stomachs, side by side.
Three of the most perfect Dominican asses expose themselves brazenly to my view. Without hesitation, I start slapping the total of six buttocks like I was playing bongo drums! They squeal with laughter! Especially when I hit them hard!
So I turn them all on their backs. I'm banging the middle one while I'm fingering the two others. I try to keep them all involved without letting them get jealous. The middle one is grinding away under me very forcefully. When she pauses, catching her breath, I move on the one next to her.
"Otro condom", Another condom, she says. Well, OK, that seems reasonable, as I follow her wish.
The third girl moves to the top of the bed and is fingering herself furiously, pleasuring herself. Her face is red with passion. While I'm banging one and touching her friend, I reach over and kiss her to bring her into the circle again. One of the friends leans over and kisses her friends breast. Such a tender sight...
(When they first came in I had asked if they like girls as well as boys and they were all shocked and said no.)
This goes on five times until by now I really want to come.
"Otra condom" the girl says.
I've gone through five condoms and I don't have any more!
I throw on my briefs and run out shouting for Alberto. Everyone is frantically looking for condoms but there are none in the house!
By the time we come back, the girls have cooled off and are dressing again. I look appealingly to Alberto, but he says not to worry. He has something else lined up in an hour.
I gratefully give each their regalo and Alberto whisks them away.
I later found out why there wasn't a condom in the house of the world's greatest pickup artist--he doesn't use them! Neither does Alberto.
Elvis just shrugs when I react. He also says that he hardly ever goes down on his women because he doesn't want them to fall in love with him. He says he has enough problems with former girlfriends calling and even climbing over his metal fence. If he gives them ordinary sex, he feels they won't be so pushy!
The three girls are whisked away to the taxi stand by Alberto and the stage is set for the next chica.
About an hour later, Alberto enters with her and her girlfriend.
It is the gypsy looking girl with the teasing smile I had met that day, coming out of the Santiago McDonalds with some friends. After Elvis had made his approach and I had rolled up and said "Yo soy Elliot", she snatched my Panama hat and put it on her head. A good sign!
After some more teasing flirtation, she pinched my cheek and said good bye. She had called a little while later and Alberto had fitted her in to the schedule.
I was gaining more confidence that these were just ordinary girls who had a lusty taste for sexual adventure. After all, I had met her myself on the street in mid day and no request for money was ever even hinted at.
"Photographs!" Elvis called and the two line up on either side. He took a regular shot and then I said, well let's be a little more friendly. I kissed one on the lips and then when I kissed the gypsy, she nibbled my lips. I felt her warm tongue on mine.
The last time I felt this special was at my bar mitzvah, when the photographer had two of my cousins kiss me at the same time.
Alberto motioned me into the bedroom while he had a word with them. As I passed, I told him I just wanted the gypsy. That was fine, because Elvis was getting hungry for his daily bang and her friend would do fine, though she looked like she was pushing 22.
Fifteen minutes later, the bedroom door opens and in comes my gypsy. Her top is off in a flash, and then it's my delightful duty to take off the rest. She teases me about being "gordito" even though I'm in good shape. I say I'm an hombre who is strong. It's OK for a guy. But a chica? I pinch an extra inch or two from her waist. She must be skinny! She laughs.
This was important for the power balance. Alberto was teaching me always to be in control. This seemingly innocent shit test could have been the start of the erosion of my power.
This was a crucial part of the anguished philosophy of the sexes that Elvis and Alberto preached.
If you love a woman and let her know you're vulnerable, she'll use you, take your money and make off with the next handsome stranger. But if you keep control, play with several women (though hiding the fact from her) so you don't get desperate for sex, you'll be adored and loved and get hot sex any time you want it.
We made love like two kids slurping up bowls of ice cream on a hot summer day.
When we came out, she was so friendly I wanted to stay with her. I really wanted to go dancing and Elvis and Alberto were up for it.
We piled into the jeep and went off to the Rancho Merengue, a local dance club with about 25 people in the raucous band. Elvis methodically cut up a napkin to stuff his ears, but the music intoxicated me. I had spent $50.00 on a merengue lesson in New York, and boy was that a terrific investment. The gypsy could not stop moving so I grabbed her hand and ran to the dance floor with her. I led her through all the graceful turns and her smile let me know she was delighted. The way she pressed her hips against me was definitely not taught in the dance school.
I danced until my shirt was soaking wet.
The dance hall admission and drinks cost a grand total of $30.00 for 5 people--Elvis, Alberto, the gypsy, her friend, and me. A late night dinner at a Dominican diner cost another $30.00 for all of us, including the cerveza. When I remembered the $300.00 dates in New York, with just a quick kiss good night.....
Elvis whispers that she wants to stay with me tonight and give me a massage and take care of me. My concern is my wallet. Some of even the nicest girls, I heard, will take money from a guy, not because they're bad, but because in their mind, if he's a novio, then she's entitled. So I left my wallet with him, except for a few pesos and to give her a generous $30.00 regalo.
But to be fair to this prejudice, nothing was ever taken from me by any person.
About 4:00 in the morning Alberto drops me off at the Gran Almirante. I stroll confidently, hand in hand with the gypsy, past the front desk and then we're at home base--the elevator.
Her eyes are as big as pancakes. All this luxury! This definitely helps my cause.
Later in the room she watches the Flintstones in Spanish on the TV while I shower. I spoon her in bed, but after 5 girls that day, I feel I can pass on another time, so soon we are asleep.
The next morning she looks wistfully at me and asks "Cuando regresara", when will I return?.
I lie to all of them. I say I'm coming back next month. This way their dream of a novio from norteamerica is still in place.
I never lie in my real life, especially about something so important as this. Boy am I bad. I'm a badboy.
But all hesitation vanishes when she sees the buffet breakfast, with everything and more piled up for the taking. She takes some bacon quizzically and asks what it is. I try to explain. She loads her plate and we both go to work happily.
I show her the hotel--the waterfalls, the pool, the heart stopping view of the mountains. I feel her sadness. She knows she will never see me again.
But I've got to get her out of there by 12:00 because Alberto is coming, so I take her quickly to the taxi outside. I lie some more. I feel like some other person, not me.
But I like the sense of power.
Alberto swings by with Elvis and off we go to run through the streets of Santiago, hunting for young bodies. I am so intrigued by Elvis' method. He says that even when he was a young boy, all the females in the family would flock around him and make a fuss over him. I've noticed that guys who are good with women were always good. He did radiate a tremendously welcoming energy that make you feel good to be around him.
He is 100% committed. Sometimes he curses Alberto, for not stopping the jeep fast enough, so he can get out and chase after the girls. Some young girls in their Catholic school uniforms parade by and a devilish gleam appears in his eye. You know, you can get away with practically anything but not taking virgins in this country. And the jails here are the worst in the world. Fifty guys in a room with just a hole in the floor to do your thing, with everyone watching.
Then we see Natasha. "Haitian", Alberto says sagely.
She's with two friends. She looks as cool as a model on a runway in the filthy heat of a Dominican afternoon. Elvis thrusts his paper in her hands and she snatches a glance at me. She smiles.
Well on to the next ones. The first girl I had has kept calling for me and Alberto's phone is always lit up with girls. They have three mobiles. One for the girls, one for backup, in case the battery is dead, and a third for Elvis' business.
Alberto suddenly informs me we are going to visit his wife.
Actually he tells me he has five wives and assorted children but this is his real wife.
So he drives us through bone jangling roads, past one room cinder block shacks until we arrive at his house which is a pretty decent one story building. It is interesting seeing guys in shirtsleeves drinking beer in front of their TV's through their open doors. There is little sense of private and public space, except for the metal bars which are everywhere.
We enter and his wife is very beautiful and gracious. She keeps her home neat and clean. Her two boys shyly poke their heads out of their rooms. She is bursting with love and pride that her husband is visiting her.
He tells her he has to work and travel a few days a week which is why he can't be home all the time. She makes him a lunch of rice, beans and spaghetti and off he runs with me. I avert my eyes when he kisses her good-bye. She glows like a teenager in love.
So why is the bad boy, who fools around with so many women, an irresistible magnet to them? While most guys, who run after their women, bore them to death?
This is the graduate school education I've really come down to matriculate in.
Later, when I feel the danger of falling in love with Natasha, Elvis takes me aside and tells me how Alberto had gotten to be a pickup artist second only to the King!
Alberto was passionately in love with a six foot, 210 lb. black woman. Who was ugly as sin.
When Elvis started teaching him about girls, his woman would get drunk and try to beat him up. Although six foot himself, he was barely able to escape with his life. They were both afraid that she'd take a knife to him one day and Elvis confessed he just didn't want to do without such a devoted friend. So he persuaded Alberto to leave.
For months, he did not shave or take care of himself, he was so heartsick. But gradually, under the King's tutelage, he finally got his strength back and developed this deep attraction from women.
So, Elvis says, it is taking the love of a good woman and throwing her away that really makes the hard core pickup artist...
The day is rapidly vanishing and I haven't been laid yet! He looks at me knowingly.
We wait at the taxi stand for one of the girls who called earlier to show up. After 20 minutes he gives up and starts driving again. We are going to pick up a girl and her friend who he knows from a previous pickup.
They climb in the jeep, giggling quietly to themselves. They're both under 20, with pushup bras and revealing blouses--the style in the barrio. Alberto laughs and says they want to go to McDonalds but we're going to the house first.
"Sometimes, when you feed them first, they don't want to do it. Their stomach hurts or some other excuse."
Back at the bachelor pad, Elvis is nowhere to be seen. Who is going to take care of the friend?
Same routine. This time, two are much easier to handle than three (especially when you've had the experience). Once again, I have to pull them off me or else I'll come. I lay the two, side by side on the bed, banging one while fingering the other. I climax in the other and then they disappear into the bathroom.
We drop them off with my generous $30.00 regalo and full bags of McDonalds and they're very happy. He stops off at another family he has, a beautiful young woman with his child who are just going off to Church with their family. He gives his son a banana and he is ecstatic at his father's gift. I give him a few pesos for pastelles.
When we return to the hotel for steak dinners on my account and we see my waitress, Elvis tells me he has a surprise for me tonight. But first he tells me that the stunning Black girl, Natasha called and she will be picked up for a date at the pad. I'm very pleased.
She climbs aboard the jeep at the taxi stand, barely acknowledging me. Alberto keeps her smiling by his persuasive chatter.
I had learned that these girls are pretty quiet when they are with men they are serious about. If the understanding is that they are together, no words have to be spoken. I tested this by slipping my hand into hers and she readily took it. After a while she played with my fingers and I reciprocated.
Elvis, who understands these things, had advised me also not to talk.
"You'll probably end up spoiling things," he said.
Still, I couldn't resist.
"Tu sonrisa es muy amable" I said and she smiled adorably.
When we got to the house, I never realized how or when our hands had become entwined. We were sitting on the sofa and I teased her about her practicing Voodoo since she came from Haiti. Was she was going to practice any love spells on me!
Her face became very serious.
"I do not believe in Voodoo but my brother practices it. He has a whole temple in his home. Do you practice Voodoo?," she asked me searchingly.
"Sometimes", I said, referring to my leather bracelet.
It was composed of two strands of leather that were interwoven.
"When I give this to the special girl I meet, our lives will be united as tightly as these two bands of leather."
I could see she expected me to make her a present of it. But hey, I've learned that presents are given to a girl after they perform, so it stayed with me, as did my power.
"Pictures!" Elvis called.
He took one of us together and then another one of us kissing. Her lips were given so freely it excited me.
Off to the bedroom, while Alberto gave his spiel.
Fifteen minutes later, she walks in, takes her blouse off and goes to the adjoining bathroom to wash up.
"Venga aqui" I order gently (macho man that I am).
She cuddles besides me but then she asks why should I have my friends talk to me when I should be talking to her.
I sense she cares about me and this puts her in a totally different category than the other women.
I tell her "With someone like you, muy singular, I want everything to be perfect and so my good friends give me such useful advice."
I remove her white skin tight pants and then she straddles me, grinding me around and around.
I am slow to get hard. Of course the seven women I've had in the last day and a half had something to do with it.
But it's something more--I want to talk to her, so I stop her, gazing deeply into her black cat's eyes.
"When will you return, she asks?"
"Oh, next month, on business" I lie. I feel rotten, but Elvis tells me to say this.
"What are you looking for?"
"A novia, a girlfriend", which is true, though one who won't mind my banging a lot of other girls on the side.
She kisses my nipple and I get aroused. I take my time, looking at her dark, silken body. Mysterious tattoos appear with mystical meanings I don't care to know about. Stretched out on one arm I tell her she resembles the painting, "The Naked Maja" by Goya, but she never heard of the painting and she never heard of Goya.
Suddenly her cell phone rings. I can't believe she starts talking now! At first I though she activated it just for the swell music, but no, she starts calmly talking to her friend! I get pissed at this sign of disrespect and slowly get up and leave, looking for my guys.
I tell them what happened but they pooh poohed it and told me to get back in there. They said it was a cultural thing and that it's done all the time down there and was not like an American dis.
"Hey, look," I said, "the real thing is that I don't want to lie to her. I'm not coming back for her. She's so sweet! I'm beginning to really like her!"
This touched a nerve in both the hardened pickup artists.
Alberto cut through the bull crap and just ordered me back into the bedroom. "Be a man," he said. "You've got to get past this to be a pick up man, or else you'll always end up a sucker like most men. Women like stories better than the truth, let them have what makes them the most happy."
Elvis was more philosophical, starting to quote one of his advice columns. "You've got to make a good woman fall in love with you and then throw her away. That's how you begin to get good with women."
We wandered through the house, catching a solitary breeze in the courtyard.
I walked back in under my will's command. When I got there, she was so apologetic. It was her girlfriend! She had called to see if she was safe."
"Oh," I said feeling silly.
I softly brushed the tattoo on her shoulder then licked it. I got down to business.
Shortly later, being inside her was like being on a roller coaster ride in Coney Island. I put her two legs together for maximum rolling action but did not come though she certainly had a good time.
Later I rolled over. I don't know why, but tears sprouted out of my eyes.
"Por que, mi amor" she said.
"Look, I don't know if we will fall in love. I don't know what the future will bring."
She wiped away my tears and held me.
Well, the curtain fell on that scene and we dropped her off at the taxi stand. I gave her such a long hug, the taxi drivers started to hoot "Amor!, Amor!".
Then, we stopped at another taxi stand a few blocks away where my surprise was waiting for me.
It was the waitress at the hotel! The one who reminded my of my lost affair with the Dominican in New York! But now after all these 20 year olds, she appeared older at 35 and a little stocky. "No," I told Elvis, "I don't want her now."
Alberto would do anything not to really hurt the feelings of a woman and a flat out rejection was beyond his code. He said we should drive her to her home and I'll talk with her in the car for a half hour.
I now had the "Let's Just Be Friends" experience from the opposite side!
Seated beside me in the darkness, I told her "Tu sonrisa es muy amable" and she smiled just like the others. She was very close to me so it was nothing to take her hand which she squeezed. Again, that silence, but the deep understanding that she was mine for the taking. She talked about her son who is going to study to be a doctor and I felt her pride. I kissed her on the cheek and she seemed grateful. Then suddenly I told her that my stomach aches, it must have been something we had for dinner. She expressed concern but she understood.
When we arrived at her small house, I jumped out of the jeep to open the door on the other side. "Tu es una buena persona" I said with all my heart and kissed her on the cheek for the last time.
When I got back to my hotel room, my mind was in a warm haze, thinking of Natasha. I had been on a steady high ever since I met Elvis, but when I decided to rest on the bed just for a moment with all my clothes on, I immediately sank into one of the deepest sleeps of my life.
The next morning, Elvis and Alberto arrived for the free breakfast. They were "reading" this big handsome motorcycle guy who had just paid for two so-so Dominican girls. "Watch", they told me.
A little later, we saw him get on his huge, exciting Harley. He was begging the chicas to get on board but they had other things to do. He roared off alone.
Elvis would point out these things as lessons. This is what most men get--spend hundreds of dollars and months of time to get a peck on the cheek or the opportunity to spend even more money and time.
That's not Elvis' way. You bang them, THEN you date them!
We were riding around Santiago. I really wanted to spend time with Elvis watching him run after the young women and see the shock on their faces quickly replaced by lustful flirtation. I had made a date with Natasha for 2:00--swimming in the Olympic sized hotel pool-- but I had Alberto delay until 5:00.
They decided it was a good time for me to pay for their car wash, so both vehicles were driven there. Alongside of the wash, where the customers waited, was a huge outdoor pavilion. All the guys were sitting around tables in the heat with their cervezas frias. The waitresses, with comically huge buttocks, sashayed past the customers, teasing them, giving them little kisses and whispering in their ears. Alberto pointed out that some of the guys would drink 15 beers and then compete with their friends as to how much money in tips to give them. The point was that none of them were man enough to make a proposition to them.
We remained with one beer at our table for what seemed an hour. A girl at another table caught a glance at Alberto. He returned such a steely stare that it would have made Superman's X Ray vision look wimpy.
Finally we were on our way, heading to a wealthy girl's luxury house nestled in the beautiful mountains above the city. Marble floors and antique furniture graced the mansion. The two sisters, about 20, invited us in for beer around an elegant glass coffee table. "Oh you speak such good Spanish," she said. "I'd love to learn to speak English." "Perhaps you need a Professor", I said.
"Will you be my Professor", she asked.
"Quizas" Perhaps.
Alberto had them all rolling in the sofas, doing dance moves and teasing them in a good hearted way. He was the ultimate professional, never getting in my way in terms of seducing the girls for himself, but just persuading them to come to me.
I took him aside and told him I was just thinking about Natasha and didn't want the rich girl. He was noticeably perturbed, also not wanting to hurt her feelings. I had started to sweat because of the heat in the living room, so I made the sign that I was sick.
Alberto spent almost 20 minutes with her reassuring that it was not my rejection but just that I was ill. "She was yours," he laughed when we got back into the car, but they were both gentle with me because they know how I felt about my new novia Natasha.
They pick her up and deliver her to the hotel lobby where I'm waiting. Once again, I barely remember clasping her hand but in all the photos Elvis took of us then, they are always nestled inside one another.
I take her on a tour of the hotel, the waterfall, the restaurant, the pool, etc. She has never learned to swim but she likes the heated whirlpool. She looks a little like the young Trya Banks to me, a sign that my objectivity is eroding.
Back in the hotel room, I turn on the radio and we're dancing the Merengue.
So easily she fall into my arms and then onto the bed. Proud and thoughtful and beautiful she is; I'm beginning to fall for what I don't know.
A sad love song languishes on the radio. "Amor cruel" I catch.
She does not let me kiss her though her clothes fly off easily. She keeps asking "cuando regresera" when will I return. I lie again, feeling terrible. I'm not ever going to return but I can't tell her. I've got to keep her beautiful story going and I've got to get myself laid!
But I don't want to rush this. I embrace her and plant my head on her soft breasts. She had a spiritual beauty that always made her appear nude but not naked. Resting on her thigh, I get hard. I lie back, in my full glory as a male when she delivers the bombshell.
"You will send me regalos when you are away," she orders, like it's understood.
"I don't know what I'll do," I say. "I give gifts when the feeling comes."
"But you will send me gifts," she insists.
I freeze. I turn over on my back.
After awhile I feel her spidery fingers making their way towards my balls.
I'm so confused. So this is where the love boat goes, into that graveyard of suckers. I was spreading my net for her but it seemed that she was spreading the larger net for me!
I wasn't having any of it.
A long, long silence ensued. God it was awful.
"What do you want to say," she says.
"What do you want to say," I reply.
Finally, in slow motion I get up and begin to dress.
She falls apart.
"No, no, that is not what I meant." I would never do that to you!
I am so fucking confused.
I see the love in her face, so hurt.
She beckons me onto the bed and holds me like a child. All I know is that I don't want to lose this feeling of being connected.
But I can't sleep with her or that would seal our deal. I don't want her to think I'm taking advantage of her just to get my rocks off, which makes me a drop out in Elvis' eyes.
Eventually we get dressed and I escort her outside to a taxi. I can't meet her eyes. Finally she says "I'm afraid I will never see you again," and I lie once more. She reaches for by leather bracelet with the two strips tightly interwoven and this time I give it to her.
I hold her lightly and then let her go.
I call Elvis and tell him he should come over as soon as he can. I need to talk.
To his credit, Elvis is over to the hotel lobby in only 20 minutes.
He is less sarcastic and harsh than I thought he'd be.
He reveals wistfully what he missed by not having the straight life and chasing women all his life. He has a daughter of 37 somewhere but I gather he's not too connected. He is crazy about having kids of his own now, but a vasectomy he had performed when he was 27 makes it impossible.
His real family is Momi, the 45 year old woman who cooks and looks after him. She saved his life once by taking him to the hospital when he was refusing to take an illness seriously. He takes her around sometimes to be seen so that she can feel like his wife.
The problem was her younger sister, who he naturally seduced. And then the pretty next door neighbor who he seduced. Not exactly your normal family man.
He advises me to forget about Natasha. "She's only going to suck money out of you," he says. And don't ever marry a Dominican woman and take her to the States. They'll either murder you for the money or divorce you in the first year! It's better to just set her up in an apartment and have your freedom."
He doesn't really know her, I think. I'm floating in a haze, remembering feelings of being in love in the past.
But I haven't been laid today! Now I'm feeling like Elvis, who needs at least one a day.
Not to worry.
About 2 hours later, Alberto drops off this girl, just 18, with a curvy body, no body fat on her. She comes up to my room and soon we're dancing the Merengue naked. She loves to look at her lithe body in the mirror.
And then, what a surprise! She has me in her mouth and I feel the piercing in her tongue against me! A little silver barbell!
I always wondered how that would feel, looking at the Goth girls on St. Marks Place New York's East Village.
Then, we're doing the horizontal merengue on the bed, and everything is so easy and uncomplicated. Number 9!
The only thing she asked for was a Mars bar chocolate candy that was in the wet bar!
As a gentleman, I escorted her to the taxi outside the hotel and gave her a regalo of $30.00 for perfume and to get her hair done. Then it was back to bed for a night of well earned sleep.
Elvis took me to the airport the next morning and I felt a deep appreciation for him. What he said was true. With his method, he's slept with about 20,000 women and made it possible for me to experience the thrill of seducing young, beautiful women.
Conclusions:
Women in the DR are different:
1: Their culture permits them to enjoy sex way more than in the US.
2: They are attracted to older white guys who are American. Both because they are culturally conditioned to older men and because it offers a chance, no matter how distant, to escape the absolute poverty of the country.
3. I don't think his method will work anywhere as well in the States as it does in the DR. Women are more financially independent and have more choices as to age. There is the converse prejudice against older guys which make it difficult to just go over to a 20 year old and ask if they want to become your girlfriend.
Having said that, I'm finding it very refreshing to approach women in such a direct way back here in New York. The other seduction methods seem so devious and needy by comparison. I lack a good wing man so that is holding me back a lot.
Much of the criticism of Elvis stems from people's beliefs systems. It is simply not in their reality that girls will agree to sleep with you in just a few minutes. It is entirely understandable, but all I can say is that Elvis has pushed the boundaries of my reality wide open.
Post Note:
Back in New York I sent Natasha the photos showing us in love (to my eyes, anyway). I'm in a sparkling white suit with blue silk handkerchief matching a sky blue shirt, her hand is always in mine, her Mona Lisa smile radiating.
I thanked her for two days of happiness and told her I wasn't coming back soon. Nothing happened for a few days then I got an email:
hola mi amor,me ase mucho falta estoy muy triste porque me dise que no save
cuando tu regresas muchas gracias por las photos mi amor te quiero mucho y
guidate con dios porque es un buena persona.bey
She calls me mi amor and says she loves me deeply...
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MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.
THE TORONTO LAIR The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.
Vancouver Social Board
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca) Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PORTLAND, MAINE
I'm starting a lair in Portland, Maine so we can truly be "the way life should be"!
Starting with a dozen AFCs & PUAs and looking to grow and share our skills.
Send email to magickman@maine.rr.com if you wish to join.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.
SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
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NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.
EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
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ISRAEL LAIR:
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DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
A new lair is starting up in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus will be regularly going out and working in the field. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuingthe PUA lifestyle; email Matt on moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to SARGE regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.dutchseduction.com/"> www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: wingman.meetup.com/6/ or www.dallasseductionlair.com/"> www.DallasSeductionLair.com
DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum ( www.dallaspua.com/forum"> www.dallaspua.com/forum ), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to www.dallaspua.com/"> www.DallasPua.com
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich lair has been setup for RAFC and PUAs from East Anglia (UK) who wish to go sarging in in Norwich City Centre. The group is open to everyone who is serious about fieldwork in the Norwich area, and membership is free of charge. Norwich is about 2 hours from London by train. To join the listsend an email to norwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ www.nyclair.com/"> www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We SARGE regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com/"> www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit www.indialair.com/"> www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & SARGE, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and SARGE 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
ATLANTA LAIR:
Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will SARGE from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous SARGE outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com
HOUSTON:
www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA: Turning KJs into Active PUA
Members meet twice weekly with approximately 200+ registered members. Currently run mini study groups on Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Juggler, SS. We usually meet out in the field and streets so there is plenty of field practice. Our Sarge-Fest is a great learning night for newbies where some of Australias best PUA coach you to improve your game. We also organize other activities such as Salsa dance nights for our members and we encourage our members to contribute back to the community to help it grow. The lair currently runs its own forum so come join this active lair.
Contact iceman at melb.lair.autoreply@gmail.com. See Melb-Lair.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who SARGE regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
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