Things that your mother doesn't want you to know.
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I want to thank all of those who participated in the 2006 Cliff's List Convention held earlier this month. Those of you who were there know what an incredible success it was and how amazing everything turned out. I have been deluged with requests for the DVD product of the event which is being worked on diligently but for which I don't have a release date yet. I can tell you that I have been told by the producer that the film came out fantastic and that he feels this will unquestionably set
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Karakatcho:
"He's been lucky."
There are times when one can only think that some magical power makes good things happen around particular people or sometimes really bad things!
I have some lucky times. I don't even count anymore how often I have found money (on the floor of club/bars), but recently, for example, I had three different birds all at different places within 24 hours attacking me! ah! ah! I would have thought that I just needed a new haircut, but I remembered a few years ago when all on the same day I had all this happen to me (I SWEAR IT'S ALL TRUE AND NOT MADE UP):
- I arrived late and all sweaty to an interview.
- Hit a bird while driving.
- Forgot my money and cards at home (had to drive almost one hour with the "tank empty," light flashing, and, well, my stomach empty too!)
- It was an incredibly sunny and warm summer day. I took a little road instead of the highway because of my "almost empty" gas tank and just as I was arriving near the village church, there was a big thunderstorm. Do I really need to add that my wipers where not working?!
- Got a "driver arm" sunburn.
- Forgot my towel and lock while going to the gym (I wanted to go there to relax).
- Had a dead bird falling like a rock right in front of me while I was walking to go out: Just in front of a church porch!!
I was probably punished for having masturbated the day earlier or some shit like that.
That night in a last hope to return in a good mood, I was seated down in a bar with my beer in hand, not even thinking about pickup, when a cute girl walked up to me with a huge smile, shinny eyes and lot of positive energy. While she gave a quick glance to the guy behind her, she said: "If you don't leave with me, I will leave with him". ah! ah! ah! I probably thought it was some form of God testing, because I didn't take the bait!
I got a very similar streak of "luck" when I got to pickup Nige54 at the airport, my guest for the Cliff's List Convention. Doing this from my place is usually a 15 minute drive, but this time, without going through the whole story, it took me two hours! I left the airport with my car bumper almost ripped off and my ego bruised (the car was actually damaged AFTER the two hour delay! ah! ah!).
LOL
I knew almost nothing about Nige54 then, but it was clear just from looking at him, on a first impression, that he is guy with "luck" who is having a good life.
- The guy:
First, the guy is good looking, very fit and has a very strong and positive body language. Take that and his very noticeable "Aussie" accent, and you get a guy that can get attraction really fast! He is overall outgoing, extroverted and very positive and also has a strong lead. For those that have seen his presentation, you surely saw that and his big sense of humour, too.
On the negative side, probably because his life is already filled with great people, he has an aloofness that came across to me sometimes as dismissive (something I have seen with a lot of other "good" guys): It was not easy for me to talk in English, but I was trying to do it anyway and came to understand over time that he was often just answering on auto pilot "oh cool, yeah! Whatever."
That was up for a big laugh, but well... I suppose that a confident person can just go out with a stranger and stay beside him and have fun without ever exchanging words, just like being with long time friends or family. I was not comfortable with that, so that is probably something I have to work on...
But maybe he was just tired from travelling...
A funny one: For those that like "amog" techniques, there was this time where he requested me to go home early. I said to him: "You are a big boy, you can take a taxi." I saw him later on and said to him that I would not be a "dick" and leave in around 20 minutes. When I felt ready to leave, I walked up to him. He had his drink in hand, turned his head slowly, looked at me all serious and slowly raised his hands to show five fingers! Five minutes! ah! ah! I exploded in laughter!
I'm not sure if he was really mad about that or just teasing me, maybe more the latter, my intent was surely not to have the last word, but really just to have fun during my vacation/summer time (i.e.. staying out late). Anyway, it was a source of "material", and I have already made a routine out of it! ah! ah! So like he says: "ALL GOOD!"
Anyway, just to be sure that it's not interpreted badly, that didn't made him less likeable to me and probably that if had my vacation before meeting him, I would have been more fun to be with too (I was really burned out from work and the long seminar days, even if this appears like a bullshit excuse).
- Going out with him to meet girls:
I would have really liked to show him how cool Montreal is, and I was really stressed about it. But the logistics during the week were somewhat bad. I had to phase out French speaking places, the weather was not always good, recent anti-smoking laws really made many places go dead and the Jazz Festival too was draining a lot of people (he wasn't interested in going there). Add the line-ups, the cover-charges, and places that fill up really late (with lots of cocks) and it was really a stressful thing to manage! ah! ah!
But still, we were able to go to a few cool places.
When he got in, he goes right to the bar with his back to the crowd. It was something really counter intuitive to me at first. How can you know if there are great girls, and get to open them if you set yourself up like that? But being a guy that gets approached regularly and gets tons of IOI's, I knew what he was achieving with that: you are cool guys going out to have fun, you could not care less about going around to open all the sets in the place (and burning the place in 30 minutes!). They will inevitably set themselves around you to show their interest and they will be within "natural" opening distance. Doing pickup in a smooth way. He also has an extremely fine feeling of what is happening around him and I was impressed with his peripheral vision and how discreet he can be in collecting information of what's happening around him. I can spot EC, proximity, quick checkout, etc. but he has really mastered it at a level higher than me!
So, he plays the game of the cool natural guy having girls walking up to him (which is really what I see the most in clubs where there are really HOT girls). But I was also pleased to see that he can also walkup to any girl he wants when he decides to do so. I saw him doing it. He is not "running sets", but definitively actively meeting girls. On the first night he had a really good interaction with a cutie. I was doing my job as a good wing and taking care of the UG cockblock friends (well, it was fun talking to them anyway). I think he was kissing a girl after a minute or so. The girls were really watching her because she had a boyfriend, while I was talking to them it was totally clear that they would let her do anything she wanted.
I was very surprised to see the girl Nige54 was talking to crying and I had to leave the girl I was talking to in order to run to her. I later learned that he "punished" her for cheating (or not having told him already that she had a boyfriend). I thought it was rude, but I later understood (from reading his book) why this happened like that... Well.. maybe! ; )
After that, I saw him working a "two set", which ended with him bringing the girl to the dance floor. Nicely done. He number closed her (but on the next day it ended up being a flake). I didn't see really much more than that during the night. When I have realized that he would not have a conversation with me, I decided that it was probably better for me to just walk around and do my thing and meet interesting girls! Not a bad plan!
After six months of going out without much talking to people, not engaging girls (yet being approached almost every time I go out), it was quite refreshing for me to just walk around and chat. A funny moment was after leaving the place on the street, I sat down near a window to start to chat up a girl. All is good, another girl comes around, I grab her hand and pull her gently and sit her on my lap. So while I was talking with one at my right, I was caressing the lower back of the other (she was not complaining!). Nige54 joined us just before the other girl and it was really nice to see how he was bringing up very smoothly the opportunity of coming back with us to our place (in a very non needy way).
We could have followed them on a night trip, but Nige54 cockblocked! ; ) ah! ah! They were not hot, probably too young and it's true that following them to their party had a strong chance of not going well (i.e.. going into their world instead of bringing them into ours).
Anyway, nothing really awesome happened that night, but I was seeing girls reacting positively to him, even in the streets. He projects confidence and escalates really quickly and in a very smooth way. He starts kino very soon. The guy's definitively got game even if it's not that visible: Other guys would have probably freaked out: we're not running sets! We are losing opportunities! etc., etc. (i.e.. scarcity frame). I know because I did! ; ) LOL
On the second night, we went to a great outdoor terrasse and Nige54 ended contact closing a really hot staff girl (his accent creating the opportunity!). I was impressed even if it was just a time bridge (using Mystery's lingo). Over the course of the night, we saw a lot of guys having girls around them and being peacocked, and we were really wondering if they were community guys: Never ask! I ended up having a gay guy trying to sarge me! ah! ah! But later on, I noticed two guys, one superbly dressed and the other dressed more casually but surrounded by amazing babes (saw one contact closing one of the girl really smoothly). I really got a hint when I noticed one doing an arm trick that I learned from Tyler (and which was also taught by Badboy) with one of the girls and which almost got him a very smooth extraction. I just walked up to him and he ended up turning out to be a friend of a very well know guy in the community. For the time I saw them, there was no question that they had a high level of game. Very probably that Nige54 would have fun watching that, but he was not around when it happened.
We then moved on to another place. Not bad, same thing. After a while, I let him do his thing and I did mine. I noticed him talking with girls and things seemed to be going very well. I talked to one of the staff girls (about the fake line up outside the front while the place is almost empty) and later on opened a girl with something similar to "how guys go out to chat with girls but are not even able to have a conversation with the guys they are going out with." lol! Talk about a situational opener! It went really well on all levels. The girl was a really nice, French girl visiting for a few months (she actually liked my accent which I was too able to use as a prop! wouhou!). She later said to me that she had to go back and join her friends but then asked me if she could come back to talk with me. You bet you can, sweetie! : )
I returned to Nige54 who said to me, a real leader: "We are leaving." I'm like, what? He says something like: "We are leaving, I have to speak tomorrow, and I have to get to sleep" (I was aware of this and I was ok with it). I say: "Ok, just give me a minute". He was like "what?" (like in "For what? You haven't picked up anyone and you think you will get some action now that I want to leave?" I walk over to the dance floor and come back with a nice girl walking in front of me, cute face and really tight ass. I send him a look and a smile and it's probably the only time I felt I was communicating with him on a friendly basis: we both like hot girls! Contact closed her.. (sadly I didn't get a number, just the place she was staying at which only has access to a public phone. I think she called twice during the week but I missed the calls. Nonetheless, it looks like it was very solid bridge).
On the day of his speech, he wanted to go out again and I was really surprised that he didn't want to go hang around other PUA's/speakers or bring a bunch of other guys with us. I understood that his goal was to go out and have fun and meet girls. To me, that really spoke to how much of a "high value" guy he is, who is really not easily impressed (even if I'm sure he would have appreciated the other speakers, had he stayed longer).
Again we had a night where almost every place we went was empty. We ended up at a popular place where he quickly started to chat to a group of girls at the bar (back facing the crowd again) including one really cute one. I was just around him when an older girl came up to me to tell me how hot I was! Pffff! ah! ah! Later on, I noticed him at the bar looking bored. I was talking with the girl and I felt some pressure to leave. I rush contact closed her and then we left to go to a really nice club.
We get in and as always he goes to the bar with his back to the crowd (it was very quiet at this time). I don't remember how I did it, but I just teased a hot waitress and after a few minutes she lent me her arm and presented herself. Took no time to have Nige54 join the fun and we were both "social proofed" She was a really hot girl! My night ended being so-so, had run into some bitch shields on a few "sets" but had girls really giving me strong IOI's... (I really have to work on my warm opening.. I see the opportunities but I don't take them). (If I had read Nige54's book, the night would have probably have been different.. I have to work on doing bold moves when my gut tells me to do so).
You should have seen my surprise (and all the "chodes" all around) when we left (after just the "5 minute amog" thing) and he had the hot waitress giving him her contact info!!! I was not there to see what were all the things he said to her, but it seems to have worked really well. I only know about a statement of interest or "agreement ladder" type of line that he used, which was "if I would not leave tomorrow, would you go on a date with me?" The contact close line was really funny: "I'll take a beer and your email". (Side note: I met the girl again in another club a few days later and she didn't even recognize me.. I really don't get that one... maybe she was pissed off? But why??).
Now, I'm pretty sure most of you read that and wonder how two email addresses, a flake number and a kiss make him someone to learn from!!
ah! ah! Good question! : )
Before getting to that, I must say a word about something he said to me at the end of last night, things that I have to work on. Thanks to him for this very simple advice but it really made sense. His basic advice was to drop a few pounds (meaning 50 lbs! ah! ah!), basically stopping being so much in my own head (too logical), and on another night work on being able to take immediate decisions. And this very intriguing advice:
"Go fuck a girl, not your girlfriend, and then return to the bar to pick up another one."
There is those little talks you have with some people you meet that you feel make things change inside you, and that these things make no sense to others. That was what this time was like to me.
- His book:
This is where the really interesting stuff can be found. When I was with him, I really just had the time to read one chapter of his book. After reading all of it, all the rest felt into place. Really, this is not a guy that has a scarcity mentality and he definitively goes for the hottest 1% of girls. If he would have had a few more days, he would have rocked this place, I'm 100% convinced of that. I don't to look like I'm doing some free publicity for him, I was hosting him so it can look like I'm not impartial, but if you really have to spend more bucks on "material", you really have to get his book. Otherwise, put a smile on your face and move your ass out of your house and go meet girls for real!
Especially all my virgin Lairs bros all around the world! Stop running all over the place and scaring the shit out of girls (or getting them all excited and not fucking them!): learn to be a cool person to be around and how to bring girls to have a wonderful adventure with you.
In this book, you really have a lot of "field reports" that are simply amazing. You will read that and have in front of your eyes something unique that I haven't seen anywhere else: a detailed description of the so called "natural game" (with more finesse and technique). How to game when you are going solo (I really have the feeling that going out with a wing is often counterproductive). On the "teaching" side, it can be considered thin, but from having been involved with this material for a few years now, I firmly believe that there is probably in there just what is needed: how to be bold, confident, sexual with REAL and detailed examples of what that means. There are also a lot of lines/material that can be tried out, but you have to "see" them (really good stuff IMO).
If you like Badboy's material and the incredible field reports of GoneSavage, you will enjoy this book, no fucking doubt.
The writing style is lively, the lifestyle it exposes is in many ways desirable (in comparison to Style's book where you really have a negative undertone of community guys being "losers") and you end up reading it with a big smile on your face, ready for some more fun and changes in your life.
As ridiculous as it may sound, hanging out with him, even if it exposed a lot of my insecurities (I don't count the times I excused myself for the things I had no control over such as not finding a good place to go out), was really something that changed a few things in me and I just feel that I will also be experiencing other changes as time goes on.
I could have regretted not having run all over the city to find the other PUA's who were in town to see them "sarging" and learn, like some of the guys I saw during the weekend (where are the puas? where are the puas?).
But NO!
I was more busy "being" and being really happy about it.
Nige54, I really hope that we will see more of you in the community. Your positive energy will just bring more hotties around us (and not just crazy birds like I do! ah! ah!).
Cheers to you! Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!
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Waxlrose:
Review: Mystery Method Master Series-CD Interview
Volume 3-Sinn and Future on Storytelling and Humor
The Point and Purpose of Storytelling
To convey your high value personality through the use of constructed stories that include DHV spikes while avoiding DLV pits. I believe that, in this game, you are marketing yourself, and your stories are your commercials. You ultimately want her to buy your product-YOU.
This is your true purpose. Do you want to be a household, in-demand, brand name that EVERYONE wants to buy, or would you prefer to be a bargain bin product at the 99 Cent Store? Have you seen some of the people that shop there? Not many women of quality...
If you can tell a good story, you can spin a most fantastic web to catch the prey that we all desire. I once had a friend who was a master at just this, and the look in the eyes of any girl who had ears was priceless. He could get attraction from ANY quality girl of any age with just the charm of his stories. It was astounding to say the least because, this friend of mine was pushing 60 years old and in a wheelchair. He had been around the world, toured in rock bands, and even played bass on The Doors song "The Unknown Soldier." All of these facts were reflected in his stories. I would say that having known Jim Morrison personally is a Demonstration of Higher Value, wouldn't you?
This is the disc that can help you to be the most fun guy in the room. Embedding your stories with subtle sub-communication of higher value is the essence of what you will learn, as well as the different kinds of stories to use and how to use them. Many people don't know what even makes a good story, or how to tell it the right way to make the maximum impact. This was one of my biggest sticking points because I didn't really know how to put it all together. I didn't know how to embed my DHV's without sounding like I was bragging. After hearing this CD, I am on my way to crafting my own compelling, bullet-proof stories that everybody wants to hear, just like you will be. You can appear to be the Tribal Leader because, when you speak, everyone listens.
Complaint Department: I would have preferred more order. It would have been nice if the guys at MM had gone more from A-Z with building a story - the simple framework that comes before you put the roof on. All the info is there, just not as orderly as the entire M3 model.
Topics Covered - How to flip Attraction Switches within the context of a story, What to include and what to focus on, Using different types of stories for different phases in the interaction, Topics to avoid at all costs.
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Andy (iran_number_1):
INNER GAME Andy’s Thoughts and Realizations
In any aspect of life, as a general rule, if you want to be successful, you MUST have a purpose; in other words, you must ask yourself WHY you are doing something. This can be referred to as having PURPOSE. Then, you can start asking yourself the WHAT, the HOW, the WHEN, etc. Let put this into a quick scenario so you understand where we’re going with this. You are in a position where you want to approach a woman.
You feel approach anxiety. You tell yourself, "Hey the approach anxiety is normal, I might as well approach." Now you ask yourself: When do I approach, How do I approach, What do I say?
WRONG.
In this situation, the best thing to do is understand WHY you feel an anxiety and WHY you are making the approach. Of course, this involves asking yourself deep questions about yourself and deciphering who you really are, which of course, only YOU can do. We’re going to discuss this further. My level of success with women is increasing at an amazing rate because I try and understand what is going on behind the big picture.
I made a recent post in the Montreal Lair with the intent to help guys see reality through a different angle.
Any interaction between a man and a woman is a GAME. We all know that. Why is it a game?
Because someone is always the prize, A always has to work in order to obtain B. It’s a challenge, to quote Payton Kane, "It’s all a game, and as soon as she knows she can have you, she doesn't want you anymore." I.E. if you are too easy to obtain, you are no prize.
In any case, below you will find a number of QUESTIONS I asked myself, questions that I couldn't answer until I took the time to write things down and reflect upon them.
There are so many guys that have noticed improvement not only in my game but in my attitude, my belief system, and simply, who I am in general.
I have had numerous conversations with Brother Kermit which have helped me in many ways.
Nonetheless, I truly believe that each and every one of us is a unique being, and therefore must reflect on their issues autonomously, the community and material can only help you to a certain degree.
In fact, whether someone may like it or not, I find that the community is, like much of the North American culture, based on capital gain.
Maybe things were different 10-15 years ago, but today; the community is an amazing way to make money.
Things don't happen overnight, a workshop isn't going to change you. You and only YOU can change yourself.
If I look at the ways I've changed, they are INCREDIBLE, but every change that I went through was due to my own effort and determination, everything else was a guideline.
This brings me to discuss Inner-Game, which to me is THE most important part of this game, and unfortunately most of the material in the community focuses on outer-game, which is not only not the big picture...it is useless...if you don't first develop your inner-game. Outer-game is like decoration...it should come to you naturally...if you've developed your inner-game. Most people are lazy though, to quote Zan: "If you really wanted a girlfriend, you'd have one", the point is....no one is really looking at what it is they REALLY want. The answers are within you….really. You only have to allow the barriers to melt away (the barriers of wussiness, of neediness, lack of confidence, etc.). People go read the Mystery Method book9 times...without analyzing the mindset behind the stuff Mystery wrote, they learn the patterns they have to follow in an interaction, without understanding WHY.
People are lazy to work on Inner-Game because it is different for everyone. There is no EXACT, STRUCTURED way to work on it because each person is different. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. People work on Outer-Game thinking that the answers to their questions are there because it's simple to read, it momentarily boosts your confidence.
It's like taking a fucking Tylenol every 2 hours because you get unwanted muscle pain, because you're too lazy to even care WHY that muscle pain exists.
In the course of one of my conversation with Brother Kermit, he suggested for me to write certain lists such as:
10 qualities you are looking for in a woman,
10 beliefs you have about what it is to be a man
25 qualities you have as a man
50 things you love
50 things you hate
10 peak life experiences
Etc.
If you can't see it yet, these lists, once you write them down, become automatic value indicators, qualifiers, conversational topics, not just with women, with EVERYONE.
Nevertheless,
I'm not sure everyone is going to work on the lists. I'm not sure anyone would even care to think about them enough. This is what makes people fail in their interactions.
These lists define WHO you ARE, and WHAT you WANT.
But NO! Laziness causes people to learn fancy outer-game and then get into various sets and try to rehearse what they learned unnaturally. Deep inside, they haven't worked on their inner blockages, issues, etc.
Do you know why everyone says field work (going out and interacting with people) is more important than study?Ever thought about this?It's because field work subconsciously develops/strengthens your inner game. In other words, when you "experiment" (interact) you find out what actually works for you and what doesn't. In field is where you actually can get results or not get results (phone numbers, e-mails, lays).
In field work, you end up asking yourself certain critical questions that you could never come up with if you solely rely on theoretical work.
How do you think naturals became naturals? You think they learn "peacocking", "false disqualification", "time constraints", or does it come from within them...because they have strong INNER-game?
Ask a natural to explain what he does and how he does it....and look at the answer you'll get....again this is because he has strong INNER-game, and hasn't buried himself in too much theory. Let’s consider a few questions I've asked myself. You may find your answers differ from mine. That’s the POINT. When I was at the last Cliff’s List Convention, everyone who met the gurus has probably noticed that they each have their OWN persona. In other words, they each came to know who they REALLY are, and learned to project that. If you put on Mystery’s hat and put a bike chain around your neck, it’s stupid. That’s consistent for Mystery. You’re NOT Mystery. Who are you? Ask yourself this question, and write down everything there is about you. Then, pick out all the positive elements, and project them (in your clothing, your conversational topics, etc.)
Why is Inner-Game the most important thing?
If you haven't stopped to notice, naturals do not focus on outer-game. That's what makes them a natural, because it's an inner-game thing.
To me, it's not 50% inner-game, 50% outer-game, it's more like, 90% inner-game, 10% outer-game.
When I began to study this material, a few months ago, I had a realization...all of the material...no matter who wrote it...had some kind of congruence/pattern when you compared it to the rest...
This is what I decided to analyze, because it always seemed unnatural for me to use someone else's line without understanding why...it didn't feel right in regards to my identity.
"Fake it till' you make it" makes sense only if you understand WHY you are faking a specific attitude.
--> I asked myself these questions:
1) Why am I not NATURALLY doing this?
2) Why should this be NATURAL?
3) Why does this attitude attract a woman?
Anyway, I came upon to realize something that most of you already believe in this community (but many don't quite understand why):
--> The MAN is the *PRIZE*
Ask yourself right now, at this point in your development,
a) Do you truly believe you are the prize?
b) Do you think the goal is to find a phony way to pretend to a woman that you are the prize?
In my honest opinion, if you answered b), start working on your inner-game and inner-beliefs.
WHY is it that you are the prize?
You should have the answer somewhere within you, but all the garbage social programming barriers are preventing you from seeing the light. Society, instead of allowing us to be men, repressed us, and transformed us into weak men (aka pussies). Well I say, F*CK THAT, we have a C*CK, not a pussy.
Let me explain why you are the prize, my brothers (this is how I see it, you may see it from a different angle...please don't hesitate to share, but KNOW that you're the prize).
Ask any emotional healthy woman if she wants a man who is a leader and she will say yes. This is not an opinion, it's a fact that women are biologically wired this way. (see MM Handbook Chapter 1, for more detail).
Thus, if a woman needs a man whom she can follow, the man must be a leader. Therefore, he must hunt for her (find her), he must pick her out from all the other woman, see if she meets his standards....and allow her into his world...this is called LEADING...it's what WOMEN want in a MAN...if you LEAD....you are the PRIZE.
You are probably asking yourself something like what I asked Brother Kermit.
Q: If you HAVE to lead, when it comes the time to approach, aren't you ALREADY losing your power or being needy when you approach her?
A: No, you are not demanding anything; you are qualifying to see if she is up to your standards (make a list of standards and qualities you look for in a woman).
BIOLOGICALLY, once you are being LEAD around by a woman, you will unconsciously feel like something is wrong (that is if your inner-game is intact, in other words, the average guy won't notice the problem until the relationship is over) and she will lose attraction.
This is biological, it has to do with our wiring.
Why are you a PUSSY?
Social programming. North American lifestyle.
To quote Badboy: "If you're single, it's because society wants you to be single."
--> Men are naturally attracted to women on a physical level (at first), but for an emotionally healthy man, this does not suffice. In fact, this is the first thing we see in a woman, but it is far from being the most important thing. (I'm excluding ONS from this point because I believe most men, aside from ONS, would love a deep, great connection with a good woman).
--> Since our upbringing, we have been programmed to believe that women are the prize (e.g. romantic movies with created realities, shows, magazines, etc.). We've lost our power... in the course of our upbringing…the power we are now regaining. My understanding of these issues is that there area few reasons why things are this way.
1) Men interpret language in a direct, exchange of words way...therefore it's easier to program them
2) Men look at a woman's physical beauty, and by maximizing the importance of a woman's physical beauty, society makes men spend countless amounts of money (e.g expensive dinners)to obtain the women, bearing in mind that because of her physical beauty, she has all the greatest qualities a woman can have.
3) Women are programmed as well (e.g. through emotionally stimulating chick flicks), they are told how "IMPORTANT" it is for them to be simply LOOK hot, because that's what "MEN" (Average-Frustrated-Men) care about...this is because society wants them to spend more and more on e.g. clothes, beauty products, etc...by keeping them emotionally shallow and low-self esteemed (ever ask yourself why the hottest girls, even though they get complimented all day long, have the lowest self-esteem, and often what they consider, a boring life???)
4)Legally, women have been given more and more rights which has become mixed up with the biological/emotional role (e.g. being led by a man....but then filing for sexual harassment)
...the list goes on
Do you guys see what is happening here? This is not science-fiction, it's the world you live in.
But if everyone started being a "rebel" to society and follow their God-given biological role...capital gain would go down the drain.
Society won't allow for such programming amongst us...it's detrimental to it.
Keeping things on a superficial level is the BEST way for society to over-produce and over-sell useless products to consumers.
In any case, that POWER we have as men, is embedded deep within us all, because we are all MEN biologically, and we have a C*CK.
e.g. If you enter a set with the mind frame that you're hunting for a good woman by qualifying her, you will have LITTLE or NO approach anxiety.
Now, start thinking about your goal(s).
What is/are your goal(s)?
In my honest opinion, as I previously mentioned, every man in this community, if not in the world, is on the lookout for a great woman who possesses the values he's looking for, the qualities he's been awaiting, the commonalities he seeks, etc. (Has he objectively asked himself what those qualities are?)
I think, even a guy who claims he's only looking for ONS eventually would probably consider having a good woman with whom he could have a unique connection with, in his life.
I believe that this is because as human beings, we all need to form connections; to connect is a fundamental need, in order for us to bloom, and to be happy.
People NEED to connect, it's as important as EATING or BREATHING.
Even the thief or the murderer needs to connect with someone good to him.
Ever wondered why the beggar who no one gives attention to in the street has a dog?
A dog's a man's best friend...those who have dogs know the nature of a connection you can form with a dog.
Anyway, the point is:
Your job as a man is to seek out what you are looking for in a woman.
Her job is to show you that she has the qualities you are looking for.
BE HONEST, do you seriously have time to waste (especially in the stressful society you live in) with a woman who has nothing beautiful to offer to you behind those pair of tits and ass?
What to do for a successful interaction?
Let's talk about interactions in general now, I've thought about this deeply and have come up with 2 rules that I always keep in mind when I go out with a girl. You don't need to read countless material in order to understand this.
1) Always LEAD, which involves...
-lead the conversation topics
-lead the venue changes
-lead the physical escalation
-lead the emotional stimulation
-etc.
2) Always be POSITIVE, this includes
- Do not talk about negative topics
- Acknowledge the negative stuff she talks about and shift it back to positive
Why should physical beauty of a woman be virtually meaningless to you?
Well, this is in fact not difficult to understand.
A woman's physical beauty is often the reason we have to approach her.
Nonetheless, it is nothing more, honestly.
Once you open your mouth, and she gives you feedback, you are learning about her and WHO she is behind that flesh.
How meaningful of a connection would there be if a woman was simply interested and impressed by you because you were muscular? Wouldn't her investment in the interaction be of a superficial nature?
I do not think this is the best thing.
Why am I afraid of what she thinks?
This comes from a mind set where you (I used to also) think, at least to some degree, that SHE is the prize.
If you HONESTLY do not care about what she thinking (I don't mean this in a bad way, I'm speaking about the situations where your caring results from your lack of confidence) you won't be bothered by her tests like:
Her: Why are you taking me here, it's weird?
You: Weird, nothing is weird with me, you're in my world, and in my world things are adventurous.
I just made this up as I'm writing this, the point is, DON'T care about her dumb tests, she is trying to get an out-of-the-ordinary reaction out of you, you should still remain in your own world.
"Feel the emotion, control the behavior." Brother Kermit
A key element I've noticed in the mind set of some so-called "naturals"
As I mentioned, naturals have a high level of inner-game and that's why they have a hard time explaining what it is they do. This is because it comes from a place of intuition....because at some point in their lives, they have developed their inner-game....also on an intuitive level.
How do you think guys around you get laid but haven't studied PU, lines or techniques?
Their inner-game allows the natural process of seduction to take place.
In other words:
--> They meet the girl and open her confidently because she has to prove herself and work up to their standards (A1)
-->Since they know intuitively they are quality men, they show the women WHY they are the prize (A2)
--> When the girl is interested, they show that she must work for them in order for him to want to be with her. He tries to see if she has the qualities he is looking for (A3)
etc.
An EASY but common/key thing naturals do:
Indifference.
I find this to be key in many naturals' games.
Let me first list a few examples,
--> The girl shit-tests him. He answers with silence...a silence that is coming from a place of indifference/ignorance/dominance.
The nature of the attitude he has before/after the shit-tests remain the same. He doesn't PRETEND not to be affected, he is NOT affected. Why would he be? She’s a woman. It’s in her biological nature to test him. GUYS, when a girl tests you and you're trying to look for a fancy answer, how hard is it for you to just SHUT THE F*CK UP.
It creates mystery, women love the mysterious.
It creates anticipation, and women drool for this.
One of the qualities I've noticed women love is a man who doesn't get shaken or disturbed by her tests, he allows them to pass by, as if they were IOIs.
Why should you KNOW you can get any woman?
We are mammals.
Men have a penis.
Women have a vagina.
Therefore, biologically-speaking, any man should be able to attract any woman.
Because, penis + vagina = replication
We know that the man wuss behavior is due to social programming and that men mostly get programmed though verbal communication (as I previously mentioned).
I believe that, at times, verbal communication could become a barrier in seduction. Of course, you can use a pattern to make women FEEL certain states but that is because she has been programmed to FEEL certain words, etc. In other words, when a woman hears the word "hot" she may FEEL "hot" inside. That’s because she was programmed to associate the word "hot" with a particular state. This is why we are taught not to be negative, because making a woman remembers negative words/thoughts could induce negative states within her.
If a woman didn't know language, could she be seduced?
In my opinion, she could.
I believe a woman would respond to a man who speaks only as much as he needs to, shows his confidence/masculinity/decisiveness through his body language, his attitude, his gestures, etc. At the Cliff’s List Convention, I interacted closely with all of the gurus, and I realize none of them spoke just for the sake of babbling. They always kept it short, to the point to make sure you interpret what they say the way they said it. Speak only as much as you need to. Language is only a percentage of the seduction process.
I see these things, as the hidden secrets behind the actual functioning; networking of society...These are things that society doesn't want you to realize...they are things that your mother doesn't want you to know.
Guys, let me add something I thought about.
What I wrote...is like a diary.
You guys read it. I wrote it.
Who writes diaries since they are kids? Men or Women?
Imagine if as men, we were taught to put our thoughts onto paper...in order to reflect on our lives...and find out more about ourselves, and what we went through, through a series of concrete steps.
No, instead we were given the impression that a diary (which is something you write stuff in, just like the stuff I wrote) is for a wimp.
It's funny diaries are for wimps, but we are the ones who have turned into pussies.
Like I told you guys, forget outer-game for a minute, focus on what's happening BEHIND outer-game, just like you are focusing on what's happening BEHIND the actual "society."
Don't be a robot who's stuck in the matrix.
You are part of a VERY small community of men who are seeing the "light."
Keep the community to yourself...because the more people know about this....the less effective it will become.
Scientists always say:
"You must see it in order to believe it."
There's a problem to this statement in this case though.
You must change your belief system in order to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Spiritual Leaders will say:
"You must believe it in order to see it."
This statement aligns properly with inner-game because you are changing your belief system in order to see things in a different manner.
I'm not saying religion is better than science or vice-versa.
But the analogy that since we are dealing with a set of BELIEFS, we must BELIEVE what is right (and WHY it is right, of course) before we can SEE why the world is ours.
Have you ever realized how most scientists (I was an A-student in Science...the typical science loser) cannot think outside the box and see the answer to everything in a very narrow way, and oftentimes, require a BLACK or WHITE answer?
However, have you realized how many spiritual leaders (people who believe certain things and live their life accordingly) see things in a more global manner? They see the shades of GREY in everything.
If you want true success with women (define it however you want, I had 3 Day 2's last week, I call that success in my development) like I told you 500 times, you must understand why you are the prize, you must change your belief system and this is done through reflection).
BLACK and WHITE = reading all the material and regurgitating stupid crap like "Hey you guys are a bunch of powerpuff girls" in the field HOPING that it will work.
Whoever wrote that line is congruent with it, it came naturally from deep within them because they've become a REAL man on a core level.
Have you?
GREY = The way you would NATURALLY interact with women and get results because of a strong belief system (having amazing lines come to you naturally).
Outer-game would be used to spice it up and make it more fancy.
"A scientist is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing."
"A philosopher is someone who knows less and less about more and more until he knows nothing about everything."
I say choose the middle path, but the philosopher normally has a stronger belief system (inner-game) and broader view than the scientist (instead the scientist knows how to be more specific--> outer-game).
Work on inner-game, once you get that handled, you might even start to believe you don't NEED outer-game.
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MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
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Vancouver Social Board
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
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Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
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NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
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EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
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ISRAEL LAIR:
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DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
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WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
A new lair is starting up in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus will be regularly going out and working in the field. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuingthe PUA lifestyle; email Matt on moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is http://wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
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The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
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An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.dutchseduction.com/"> http://www.DutchSeduction.com
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DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/ or http://www.dallasseductionlair.com/"> http://www.DallasSeductionLair.com
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HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK): The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night , 10PM in Norwich
City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
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SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
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BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com/"> http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com/"> http://www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
ATLANTA LAIR:
Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com
HOUSTON:
http://www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA: Turning KJs into Active PUA
Members meet twice weekly with approximately 200+ registered members. Currently run mini study groups on Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Juggler, SS. We usually meet out in the field and streets so there is plenty of field practice. Our Sarge-Fest is a great learning night for newbies where some of Australias best PUA coach you to improve your game. We also organize other activities such as Salsa dance nights for our members and we encourage our members to contribute back to the community to help it grow. The lair currently runs its own forum so come join this active lair.
Contact iceman at melb.lair.autoreply@gmail.com. See http://Melb-Lair.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who sarge regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is http://www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://www.mysterymethod.com/"> http://www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
http://www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
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DR. PAUL SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
We are officially announcing the "Dating and Relationship
Special Forces Training Camp", a seminar with Dr. Paul, the creator of the latest and most powerful technology for dating and relationships. Check the new Blog for the latest news or go to http://http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/?af=531857/"> http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm .
Have you ever done quite well with sexual attraction but then found yourself dating or even in a relationship with someone totally not meant for you? Have you been through a breakup and not learned the three core lessons that MUST be pulled from the wreckage? Have you ever wondered where dating ends and (gulp) real love begins? Has your dating life helped or hurt your career? Your non-dating relationships? This is the SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING CAMP for DATING and RELATIONSHIPS.
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The new technology (DatingOS) Dr. Paul is unleashing on the world completely explains what your hangups are, not only in "hooking up" or "approaching," but through the dating process and deep into relationships. This doesn't exist anywhere else, nor will it, because Dr Paul has gone through twenty years of both psychiatric clinical training, seen 15,000 patients with problems of both a "dating" nature, AND comprehensively solves deep problems that people have with sexual attraction, commitment, marriage, breakups, relationships, trauma, depression, anxiety disorders, ADD, OCD, career complications, cheating and betrayal.
If you want permanent RESULTS, you may need some real science, and the same fun time you have at other seminars of course, with more mastery of ALL psychology of dating—INNER GAME, OUTER GAME, and never before seen PROFILING of women for perfect fit to your personality.
So far, DatingOS has only been available in person, at seminars in the heart of the city of SINGLES, in summertime after a bitter winter has all females in a frenzy of cabin fever.
Join us by contacting shauna@http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/?af=531857 or see the announcement on http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Greetings everyone,
I wanted to take this opportunity to announce that I will be leading my storytelling program on August 12
This is the supercharged version of the infamous DJ Storytelling program of Cliff's List Convention fame and the one that I used to teach around the country...all newly redesigned to include my insights of the last year on how to convey your stories in a way that touches others emotionally.
I'm not very sophisticated with this stuff so while a super uber successful PUA businessmen who you all know would tell me to build a website and put the details there...and just include a link in my postings, I'm probably too lazy to actually do that.
So here's part of what we'll cover:
• Learn to tweak "How you are" to reflect who you are and still be attractive to the women you really want.
• Storytelling! Through a series of intensive partner and group exercises, you will find your best experiences and learn to convey them. We’ll explore hook words, tonality, endings, threading, and how to be captivating. I will show you how and you will create a highly polished story.
• Understanding how experiences you’ve already had can be a vehicle to convey who you are as well as your most attractive characteristics. You already have an interesting life, learn to convey it.
· Special guest speakers
· Exclusive discounts on MM and CEIC Products.
PLUS A SPECIAL SECTION ON UNDERSTANDING THE FEMALE MIND AND HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH IT IN WAYS THAT IT WILL UNDERSTAND. This seminar is inner game intensive, so be ready…and you will leave with A HIGHLY POLISHED STORY AS WELL AS A MODEL TO USE FOR ALL OF YOUR STORIES.
I have a much more detailed flier that I'm happy to email to you if you'd like. Contact me at DJ_SEMINAR@YAHOO.COM
SATURDAY AUGUST 12 12-11PM. NYC http://www.stylelife.com/2006/07/day-12_12.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear fellow PUAs,
Probably you've heard that this year's EuroSummit will be held in London. After last year's awesome success in Vienna, we decided to take it to the
next level. In London, the nerve centre of Europe, we are getting ready to rock the world.
It will be held between Sep 8-10, the week after the RSD superconference. I won't give many details yet, but it's likely that three of the biggest names
- like Mystery, TD, and Badboy - will be present.Possibly, it will be the greatest FREE pickup event ever held. We are getting applications every day and you can check it out soon when we launch the site.
If have some PU experience and ready to