Maintaining Your Status as High-Class Man Candy
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DID YOU MISS THE 2005 ASSEMBLY OF PICK UP ARTISTS, LADIES MEN, & DATING EXPERTS? You are in luck!!
The Cliff's List Convention 2005 DVD's are NOW available. Go to http://www.cliffslistconvention.com and get your copy. Don't miss this outstanding record of a magical event where the best in the World pulled out their "A" games and presented the highest quality information seen anywhere. Featured speakers include Mystery, Style, Tyler Durden, Dave M., Steve Piccus, Will, Cameron Teone, Dr. Alex, David Shade, Doc, Toecutter, Zan, Brent, Bishop, Patty, David DeAngelo, Lance ("Sensei"), and more, including the first Threesome Panel! The reviews have been phenomenal, all confirming that this is the product to take your game to the next level.
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PROMOS:
See the on-line version of this email at http://www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for details about the following - scroll down to the Promo section:
- Christian (AKA Carlos Xuma): For those of you who missed my appearance on ABC's "View from the Bay" show here in San Francisco with Spencer Christian, you can watch my 5 minutes of recent fame on the web. Here's the link: http://www.datingdynamics.com/dating-advice-carlos-xuma.htm PS: Anyone who can now come up with a method for me to capture this streaming broadcast digitally off their site (attention all geeks) would be much appreciated...
- Papa (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com): On Monday, Real Social Dynamics launched its new website, forum communities, and Foundations DVD/CD set
. This is the most comprehensive program we've delivered at a seminar and we were fortunate to have recorded it as well. Visitors can check out the new forum or get our new Foundations home study course at http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/
- Brian has a network of sites at http://bogdock.com/ and in there he has launched a dating site, http://www.fullcontactdating.com/
which he generously has included a page for Cliff's List at:
http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/cliffs-list/
which you should visit! As a reward for visiting Brian's site, you can get a F R E E copy of his new e-book which can be downloaded from:
http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/btp/
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Fabricio Astelo ( http://www.hiddensessions.com ):
How To Develop a Magnetic Gaze That Attracts Anyone Anytime
This week I'm starting a series of articles from my blog on how to
develop a magnetic gaze. Ever met someone who really has a profound gaze? It’s like you can't look away from his/her eyes. You become
almost magnetically attracted to them. Some people already have that
gaze naturally others can develop it. That's what I will be teaching on
this series of articles.
As you can see this is a very valuable tool in all aspects of life, but
more precisely in seduction. How great would it be to have any girl
fascinated by your eyes. I have very common brown eyes and before I
started with these exercises I rarely had any compliment on them. After
I did them for a while, my eyes became the one thing about me that got
the most compliments. Don't take my word for it, do the exercises and
see for yourself. It works!
First, the good news: this course will be completely free; the bad news
is that you'll actually have to do the exercises as opposed to just
reading them in order to get any benefits! On this series of articles
I'll only provide a short background so I can get straight to the
point. To a more complete description and other free courses check out
my blog http://www.hiddensessions.com This magnetic gaze is taught in many occult traditions as well as yoga
traditions. In the occult it's been called "magic gaze" or "evil eye"
since the folklore says it has the potential to kill someone if trained
correctly. In the yoga tradition, it is called "tratak" or "yogic gaze" and is a
meditation that claimed to have many health benefits and to be very good for
your eye health.
It doesn't matter whether you believe in any of it. If you are like me,
you'll only care about the RESULTS. And I can tell you right now: this
gaze may have a lot of functions in the occult and yoga traditions but
the everyday normal people who practice it will get mostly one thing: a
profound and magnetic gaze that will fascinate those who come in contact with
you.
On with the practice:
Since most books where you can learn this are rare or out of print and I
truly believe in spreading the knowledge, I developed a program that any
person can follow in developing this gaze.
It was based on many of those rare books and other exercises that were
only passed on by oral tradition. This week I'll present you with the
first exercise that you must do it for 7 consecutive days. Keep in mind
that once you start you'll have to do it daily until it’s complete or else it will take a lifetime to master this simple thing. It shouldn't
take more than 15 minutes to a maximum of 30 minutes a day.
Exercise 1:
Choose any small dot on a wall (every wall has them), or print a circle
with a dot in the middle and glue it to a wall. The goal is to spend 3
to 5 minutes looking only at that dot without: 1) BLINKING 2) TWITCHING
THE EYELIDS 3) MOVING YOUR GAZE ELSEWHERE and with EYES WIDE OPEN (open
your eyes completely, the more the better) .
Remember, don't blink! If you blink you'll have to start all over. And
keep your gaze fixed on that dot; don't look not even an inch to the
sides, it has to be precisely on that dot. Only this way will you develop
that fixation look. It's hard but practice makes perfect.
Since you are just starting, for the next 7 days try to reach at least
3 minutes, or 5 minutes at the maximum. Only when you reach the minimum of 3
minutes you'll be ready to go to exercise 2. Practice AT LEAST twice a day, and don't
despair if you can't do it right away. It takes time and practice to do this.
Don't forget to remove your glasses or contacts lenses before you do any
eye exercise.
Part 2 will follow next. If you have any questions/comments don't
hesitate to ask.
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Evan ( http://www.tynansangels.com ): In the not so distant past I was seeing a guy with amazing game. He was
not the hottest, richest, or most brilliant man I had the option of
dating, but he was certainly the most skilled at crafting intense
attraction. Unlike most men who beg for my attention, he never pushed
too hard, never called too often, and he never, ever went out of his way
to flatter or spoil me. Instead, he allowed me to miss him and crave his
attention. It didn't take long for me to figure out that we were playing
his game, not mine, but I was so enamored of the tension he fashioned
that I didn't mind.
At first it was incredibly sexy being with someone who spent his time
being interesting and fun and didn't worry about kissing my ass.
However, I became increasingly unhappy as time passed and eventually I
let the relationship fizzle out. He genuinely didn't understand. We had
a great time together and the attraction between us was intense. The
behaviors that had worked to draw me in had worked many times before.
What could possibly be making me so dissatisfied?
Just like many PUAs, he had learned the tricks of the trade and he could
work his magic on any willing woman he came across. And, like many PUAs,
he had a vast arsenal of information about the perfect way to open, get
a number, or F close. But his perfect pickup technique couldn't save him
from the fact that he knew very little about women.
Truly seductive men know that the women they choose are sexy, smart and
desirable. Like most desirable women, it didn't take me long to realize
that if my current fling couldn't give me what I wanted, I could find it
somewhere else. Whether relationships are monogamous, open, serious or
casual is arbitrary, but making a switch in behavior occurs as your
interactions transition is essential. Women want to feel adored and
respected by the man they care about. Knowing how to move from seduction
into a relationship is vital if you want to keep a lady around for
longer than a few weeks.
It doesn't take a wealth of information or a guru to teach you to keep a
woman satisfied in a relationship. Reeling her in with your game and
then changing into a spineless boyfriend will kill anything she may have
felt, but maintaining your status as high-class man candy is somewhat
dependent upon your ability to make your girl feel special. Think of the
early stages of your real relationship as foreplay, and use small romantic gestures to let her know you’re into her as you warm her up for the main event, a potential LTR.
The ability to meet and seduce women seemed to make my guy even less
qualified to keep me fulfilled in a relationship than any AFC. His
energy and awareness were vanquished after the period of seduction had
passed, and he seemed helpless when it came to bonding with me and
creating lasting trust and affection. I left because although I
genuinely wanted him, I have too much self-respect to stay with a guy
who refuses to address my emotional needs.
Plenty of relationships fizzle in their early stages, so I wasn't
heartbroken when things didn't work out between the sexy pickup artist
and myself. However, I was left to wonder how a man so devoted to
dissecting the mechanization of female behavior could have overlooked the big picture. Gaining access to a woman’s heart, mind and body is
just the first step. Knowing what to do once you’re inside is an art
form in it’s own right.
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Waxlrose: Review: Mystery Method Master Series CD V.5
Savoy and Sinn on Frame Control and Subcommunications Approx. Running Time-1 Hour, 6 mins.
Weak frame equals weak guy, weak guy equals nights and weekends alone. Well, you could call up your buddies and get a nice "cockfarm' together! I'd prefer to be in the company of ladies though, but hey...whatever works for ya! The question at hand is; How strong is YOUR frame? What are YOU subcommunicating? These are very key topics and this is the best of the CD series so far. I would have liked to have heard it earlier in the series, but better late than never. This is the one I've been waiting for because, it signals the beginning of the more psychological techniques! After you've listened, you will agree how good this is because if you own the frame, you own the game.
As you will learn, without setting the stronger frame, you're lost, not only in dating and seduction, but in all facets of life. (Hello "niceguy," you ARE the weakest link, goodbye.) Nah, that's not gonna be you because this disk is your fix. Strong frames give you the upper hand in ALL interactions, not just in your love-life. If you've ever had trouble with controlling the frame of the interaction, that shouldn't be a problem anymore. Subcommunication goes hand-in-hand with creating your frame, you're passively telling someone that you are the dominant party, you are the leader, you are her next conquest. (If she's lucky!) I'm grading this an A, and I want to see more like this. This disc is the new benchmark for MM and the sound is much improved this time around.
Examples of what you can learn-
How to: Strengthen your "opening frame"
Avoid falling into her frames and lead
Reframe her tests and use them against her
De-fuse potential "problem frames"
Subcommunicate your social status more positively
In closing, I would like to say that I came along a little late to the CD series. I waited to see how good it is and was able to listen to the first two at my friend's house. After that, I was in and so was fortunate to get those on back-order. I'm glad I have my subscription now, so I won't miss one.
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RichieRich:
Commenting on Dwacon’s post: I have come up with a really effective way of finding out how old/young a girl is when I'm considering whether she’s jailbait or not. After flirting for a few minutes I will usually ask this question, "Hey, what high school do you go to?"
This usually elicits the response that I suspected, "Oh I go to such and such Senior High" or the girl becomes momentarily annoyed and tells me she’s in college (or that she’s a certain age). If she’s annoyed, I'll tell her that she looks exactly like one of my little sister’s friends and that my sis is a senior in high school. I'll then immediately change the topic. Works like a charm. If she asks me how old I am, I always reply, "How old do you think I am?" Or "What do you think?" No matter what they guess I'll reply with, "Yeah, good guess" or "Wow, you should get a job at the state fair guessing ages" and then smirk.
RichieRich Commenting on Jerry's Remarks on Richie's rating of Michael The Dating Wizard at the Cliff's List Convention:
I would like to state that some of the speakers weren't even reviewed for 2 reasons: 1 - I didn't witness their speech or 2 -I didn't feel that I'd be able to write a review that would make a positive contribution to Cliff’s List. So to answer your question regarding my review supposedly stating that Michael was the worst speaker at the convention - I never said that. In fact, I thought he was pretty good. I just personally didn't find his lecture the most valuable of all speakers (remember a review is an opinion).
I will state that I think Michael came off as very genuine and a fairly decent presenter. I think he would be helpful to some of the more elementary/beginning aspiring PUA’s in the community. As Cliff stated, "I always tell them that what they need to do is look into a number of the guys out there and find who they connect with." Basically I felt that if you have a very advanced game that Michael might not have been the best speaker on stage. Obviously for Cliff to put him on stage in front of an audience (that will be worldwide once this hits DVD) he felt that Michael had something to offer to the community, and so do I.
The one thing that troubles me about this reader’s response to my review it seems to reflect a desire put one guru on a pedestal. All of these men are just regular guys just like you and I, who have worked (most for years) perfecting their skills with women. Some just have better skills than others or better presentation skills. In closing, these reviews (touching on Cliff’s comments) were based on what type of value I perceived that they brought to my game.
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PROMOS & REVIEWS SECTION (there are NO paid ads in this list and never have been. The "commercial" section is distinguished by the "--------------" separators):
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LAIR SECTION (Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at http://dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at http://www.bristollair.com, as well as at http://www.seductionlair.com:
A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/
LAIR GROUP
If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. http://www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com
Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here http://lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers. Join this group (http://lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (http://www.lairlist.com/).
HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Lair meetings are scheduled for Sundays at 8 pm and the next Lair meeting hasn't been scheduled yet. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. Thanks to Steve Piccus and GoneSavage for addressing the Lair at our latest meeting, held in honor of Brother Kermit who is moving to Toronto.
The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.
Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):
MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.
THE TORONTO LAIR
The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at http://www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.
Vancouver Social Board
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: http://www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PORTLAND, MAINE
I'm starting a lair in Portland, Maine so we can truly be "the way life should be"!
Starting with a dozen AFCs & PUAs and looking to grow and share our skills.
Send email to magickman@maine.rr.com if you wish to join.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.
SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.
EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/
ISRAEL LAIR:
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to http://www.tironut69.com/"> http://www.tironut69.com
DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is http://wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to SARGE regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at http://dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.dutchseduction.com/"> http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at http://dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.dutchseduction.com/"> http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/ or http://www.dallasseductionlair.com/"> http://www.DallasSeductionLair.com
DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum ( http://www.dallaspua.com/forum"> http://www.dallaspua.com/forum ), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to http://www.dallaspua.com/"> http://www.DallasPua.com
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night , 10PM in Norwich
City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ http://www.nyclair.com/"> http://www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We SARGE regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com/"> http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com/"> http://www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & SARGE, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and SARGE 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
ATLANTA LAIR:
Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will SARGE from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous SARGE outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com
HOUSTON:
http://www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
Turning KJs into Active PUA
Members meet twice weekly with approximately 200+ registered members. Currently run mini study groups on Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Juggler, SS. We usually meet out in the field and streets so there is plenty of field practice. Our Sarge-Fest is a great learning night for newbies where some of Australias best PUA coach you to improve your game. We also organize other activities such as Salsa dance nights for our members and we encourage our members to contribute back to the community to help it grow. The lair currently runs its own forum so come join this active lair.
Contact iceman at melb.lair.autoreply@gmail.com. See http://Melb-Lair.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who SARGE regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is http://www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://www.mysterymethod.com/"> http://www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
http://www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
Tenmagnet is doing Mystery Method workshops in Toronto and Montreal.
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DJ: Upcoming 2 day inner game and storytelling programs:
This program focuses on how to take experiences from your life and convey them in an attractive, fun, and seductive way and incorporates everything from voice projection exercises to hypnotic language structures to deep inner work on who you are and what you want to convey. The first day is inner game intensive while the second day focuses on the mechanics of storytelling for a truly *complete* experience
Montreal: September 23rd and 24th. 1-9 pm each day. Portland, OR: October 7th and 8th. 1-9pm each day. Upcoming 1 day conversational/approach skills workshop featuring extensive value elicitation exercises and in classroom role playing with special guests.
NYC: October 13th 1-9pm
I've received so many requests to build in some of the "old school" material on value elicitation and creating a rapport that invites her to open up to you, that I've decided to build it into this program. There will be a special section on moving from flash attraction to true connection. Please contact me for a flier with more details!
I’m offering special discounts for these programs so please email me for details at dj_seminar@yahoo.com ...
Please paypal a $50 deposit to http://mail.yahoo.com/config/login?/ym/Compose?To=dj_seminar@yahoo.com"> dj_seminar@yahoo.com to reserve your space.
I hope everyone is well and I look forward to hearing from you. Feel free to drop a line to say hello…
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DR. PAUL SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
We are officially announcing the "Dating and Relationship
Special Forces Training Camp", a seminar with Dr. Paul, the creator of the latest and most powerful technology for dating and relationships. Check the new Blog for the latest news or go to http://http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/?af=531857/"> http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm .
Have you ever done quite well with sexual attraction but then found yourself dating or even in a relationship with someone totally not meant for you? Have you been through a breakup and not learned the three core lessons that MUST be pulled from the wreckage? Have you ever wondered where dating ends and (gulp) real love begins? Has your dating life helped or hurt your career? Your non-dating relationships? This is the SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING CAMP for DATING and RELATIONSHIPS.
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The new technology (DatingOS) Dr. Paul is unleashing on the world completely explains what your hangups are, not only in "hooking up" or "approaching," but through the dating process and deep into relationships. This doesn't exist anywhere else, nor will it, because Dr Paul has gone through twenty years of both psychiatric clinical training, seen 15,000 patients with problems of both a "dating" nature, AND comprehensively solves deep problems that people have with sexual attraction, commitment, marriage, breakups, relationships, trauma, depression, anxiety disorders, ADD, OCD, career complications, cheating and betrayal.
If you want permanent RESULTS, you may need some real science, and the same fun time you have at other seminars of course, with more mastery of ALL psychology of dating—INNER GAME, OUTER GAME, and never before seen PROFILING of women for perfect fit to your personality.
So far, DatingOS has only been available in person, at seminars in the heart of the city of SINGLES, in summertime after a bitter winter has all females in a frenzy of cabin fever.
Join us by contacting shauna@http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/?af=531857 or see the announcement on http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm
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Herbal has started a new web site called "Tynan's Angels" where three of his beautiful female friends dispense pickup, dating, and sex advice every day. For more information, visit the site at http://www.tynansangels.com/"> http://www.tynansangels.com
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Brian has a network of sites at http://bogdock.com/ and in there he has launched a dating site, http://www.fullcontactdating.com/
which he generously has included a page for Cliff's List at:
http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/cliffs-list/
which you should visit! As a reward for visiting Brian's site, you can get a F R E E copy of his new e-book which can be downloaded from:
http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/btp/
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Dear fellow PUAs,
Probably you've heard that this year's EuroSummit will be held in London. After last year's awesome success in Vienna, we decided to take it to the
next level. In London, the nerve centre of Europe, we are getting ready to rock the world.
It will be held between Sep 8-10, the week after the RSD superconference. I won't give many details yet, but it's likely that three of the biggest names
- like Mystery, TD, and Badboy - will be present.Possibly, it will be the greatest FREE pickup event ever held. We are getting applications every day and you can check it out soon when we launch the site.
If have some PU experience and ready to travel, come join us, and take part in our celebration of the fairer sex. During these 3 days and 3 nights of sarging, you can meet some of the best PUAs and most beautiful girls in Europe, and you can also hold your speech if you'd like to.
Please write us that you'd like to join us in London provided all the people come you'd want to see.
It's a survey until we finish the site. You by NO MEANS will have an obligation to us, nor will your name be displayed on the EuroSummit site.
For advanced PUAs:
Please also tell us if you'd like to hold a speech, and of which topic. We'll schedule it then, but the final schedule will depend on the other speakers, too.
And after you send a pre-application, we'll send you the list of people who already signed up.
Please send your email to redpriest_hu@yahoo.com , with the subject "Euro Summit"
Thank you,
RedPriest
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Derek Vitalio:
Seduction Science Live In-Field Workshops!
The fact is, only by MODELING the very best can you achieve the very best. In a Seduction Science workshop, you'll meet and train with master coach McMaax who will take you to unique hot spots all over a particular city for meeting the most attractive, beautiful women. Your coach will demonstrate their skills and explain, teach, and show you how to interact with women at a club and on the street.
With a coach, you'll find an immediate shift in your skills and understanding with women as you see what it takes demoed live and right in front of you. And there's no reason to take the long and hard path or reinvent the wheel. After making hundreds of approaches, we've learned what works and what doesn't. We'll show you exactly how it's done and save you months, if not years of time.
You'll never have to go back to feeling lonely or lost and live passionately once again. Reserve your place as soon as possible (placing is limited!) so that you're guaranteed a spot.
For more information on the full workshop schedule visit: http://www.seductionscience.com/workshops
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at http://www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (http://www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!
Look for more details soon, or call Dr. Yates at 903-482-1034. Price is $1,195. This seminar is ONLY open to those who own a Speed Seduction Home Study Course so you better hop on line and buy one now if you don't already have one and plan on attending.
Speed Seduction Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England September 15, 16, 17
Speed Life Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
Hawaii (Location - Tentative) October 22 thru 26
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Schedule 2006
Location Dates
London, England Sept 8, 9, 10
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Major Mark (http://www.trucor.com):
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to http://www.trucor.com
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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality
A home study course by David Shade http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out at http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730"> http://www.alphalover.com . Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
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"The Seduction End-Game"
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Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer (http://www.seduceandconquer.com/seducewomen) CD disks present Payton's unique, dynamic style of meeting and seducing women. His methods are very natural and are the epitome of the original advice you get - tease and take away, play hard to get, etc. Definitely worth checking out, but not for everyone.
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Due to popular demand , Learn from the resident Sexpert How to be Outrageously Successful With the Opposite Sex and How to naturally let the game come to you. An intensive 1 on 1 personalized bootcamp taught to you by the East Coast's #1 Personal Dating Coach and Mentor. For more info go to http://www.youaresoinmyway.com
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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out http://www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on SARGEs, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing sh*t tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good s*ex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/"> http://www.badboylifestyle.com
You can book your workshop on: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/?badboy=workshops
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The beauty of The Tao of Dating Transformation Weekend seminar is that Dr. Alex will be leading the exercises, making sure you do them (and throwing some trancework in there to supercharge it). Most people go through an entire lifetime not having done an exercise like this. You don't have to be one of them. Here you can get more info about all that will go on at the weekend:
http://www.thetaoofdating.com/liveseminar.com
The Tao of Dating Transformation Weekend is about taking that cosmic mallet to your own head and figuring this stuff out for yourself. Not because *Dr. Alex* is saying it's right, but because you're feeling it in your bones and it feels right *for you*. Your brain will figure out which it likes better -- the carrying around of past injury like a dead weight, or the lightness and ease of letting go. And the millisecond it figures out which one is more fun, it will never go back.
Like when you find a shortcut and never go the long way again.
Come join us in LA if you can. Seats are going fast, and Dr. Alex would like to see you there. It's going to be lots of fun.
The power is within you, Dr Alex.
You can write Dr. Alex at dralex@thetaoofdating.com
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Since I joined the community I've been hoping someone would come up with a web page that I could go to, each day, to find out what is new in the seduction community, but one never materialized. Rather than wait, I started one - http://www.dailyseduction.com/"> DailySeduction.com .
Each day http://www.dailyseduction.com/"> DailySeduction.com is updated with articles on what is happening in the community. Articles such as: New product announcements.
News of upcoming seminars.
Dates of lair meetings.
Notices of newsletters being sent out. Too often I have found out about seminars when it is way too close to the date to be able to get time off work, or the flights were now too expensive or full. I've even had seminars held in my own town that I din't even know about and which I would have loved to have attended.
And how often have you found newsletters mistakenly in the junk mail folder (I've found several of Cliff's mailing in there long after they were sent, put there by an over zealous junk mail filter)? When newsletters are mentioned on http://www.dailyseduction.com/"> DailySeduction.com then if an interested reader hasn't received it they can know to go the to the sender's web page to read it and look around the sender's web site to find out more.
http://www.dailyseduction.com/"> DailySeduction.com doesn't copy what is on the original web site, instead we write a one sentence article and include a link to the original web site so that it gets the traffic and the interested reader can then look at when else is on the original web site. (Take a look at http://www.dailyseduction.com/"> DailySeduction.com and see how it works.)
http://www.dailyseduction.com/"> DailySeduction.com does not currently plan to do reviews or interviews (others are already doing those), http://www.dailyseduction.com/"> DailySeduction.com just carries today's news. There is no plan for an editorial, either, just the news.
If any of your readers have a new product they want to let the community know about, or if they plan on holding a seminar in the near future, or maybe they want to announce a lair meeting, then have them send an email to Editor@DailySeduction.com and I'll see about including an article it on http://www.dailyseduction.com/"> DailySeduction.com .
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Want the AMAZING results of a weekend workshop but don't want to pay the absurd costs associated with other companies? Instructors Maverick & Orleans at Lifestyle Imaging are now introducing to the community the $350 "Natural" workshop. These will be held every two weeks . Inquire at lifestyleimaging@gmail.com . Reviews Hey guys,
this past weekend I made the trek from Toronto to Ottawa to take part in Maverick and Orleans workshop. I can only describe this thing in one word: INSANE.
I always have great weekend and I never got into the game to have more fun just to improve my ability to pick up, but this weekend was the most fun I have had in years.
It started off on Friday afternoon and we got together and talked about our game and what we wanted to improve and figured out where were wanted to be at the end of the weekend. We spent a lot of time going over the basics and the groundwork and getting our material ready for the night.
We left to get a late lunch/ early dinner after that and I drove over with Orleans to the Hard Rock in the market. By the time we got there Maverick and another guy taking the workshop were already there, and so was the waitress ;). She was standing there already and blushing and laughing and having a great time talking to Maverick. I was shocked because he could only have been there for about 2 minutes and then I knew for sure that these guys were the real deal. BTW this waitress ended up (totally uninvited) grabbing a chair and sitting down with us for about 15 minutes, she was just digging the vibe.
We went out that night and I have to admit I was feeling really nervous about going out and doing this in front of people. Mav and Orleans made me feel comfortable and relaxed before I went out that and I was really happy with the amount of pressure they put on me. It was sort of a gentle push instead of being forced into anything and they never made me feel uncomfortable.
I'm not going to get into every set but just let me say this:
I STRUCK OUT big time on most of my sets on friday night but at no point did I feel awkward about it. sets would be going ok but never very well until Orleans or Maverick would come by and say something as they passed to let me know what I needed to change or what I was doing wrong and then PRESTO the set would be better. Still that night, I didn't have a lot of success but I was really starting to understand WHY.
(As an aside, the other guy we were with opened a set that I winged for him and this chick was SO into him she took him to the couch, made out with him and was STRADDLING him and grinding into him. It was so out of control the bouncer had to tell them to take it easy because it was too much for the bar).
Then Saturday we got together and talked about what we needed to improve and they gave us a ton of tips. We went out for some day game which terrified me because I've never done it before but it was actually not so bad and I enjoyed it a lot by the time the end of the day rolled around. We also went shopping for clothes (great place to sarge) and it was cool to get some advice from some guys who really know how to dress other people.
Saturday night came and AGAIN I'm not going to get into every set but let me say this:
MAGIC. Everything seemed to flow really really well. I could open without concern. This was no longer a chore to anymore. I wasn't going out to PICK UP, I was going out to meet some chicks and have a REALLY good time. Every set I opened was receptive and not every set went well but I would say 50% of them were awesome. I do have gf so what I'm allowed to do is limited but I KNOW I could have made out with at least 2 different chicks that night and number closed at least one more.
I would still make mistakes and again these guys would bust in and fire out a little comment to me, I would fix it, and I would be back on my way to picking up. The best part was when a set WASN'T going well, even if these guys didn't come by, I would REALIZE what was wrong and I would fix it and all of sudden it was game on.
I always thought that I would never need a workshop to get good at this stuff. I'm a really sociable guy, I have lots of friends, I'm a good athlete and I have a girlfriend. I always figured I could figure all this out on my own, well really there was no way. Doing this weekend has shot my game SO far forward in just a matter of days. Now when I go out (and I will be tomorrow) I feel like I'm unstoppable and even if I do fuck up, I can fix it on the next set.
I said to Orleans after saturday night "I've always known about this stuff but this is the first time since I've been reading and talking about it, that I actually FEEL like a pick up artist" and I still do. This weekend was a TOTAL change, for me and my improvement. I used to go out on the weekend to try pickup because I wanted to get good. This weekend I want to do it because ITS SO MUCH GOD DAMN FUN. I can't wait to do it again.
Even if you didn't read all of this post, know this:
1) YOU SHOULD TAKE A WORKSHOP. They really really help. I can only speak for this one myself and I found the level of instruction and the level of knowledge exhibited by these two to be phenominal, I loved it. They were really enjoyable to be around and even when we were just shooting the shit, I was having a really good time.
2) This workshop is REALLY cheap for what you get from it. I'm an Econ grad, I think of everything in terms of opportunity cost and value terms. THIS IS WORTH IT. Don't go and pay a ridiculous amount of money to someone else (Mystery is like 3 G's or something) to get the SAME QUALITY. THIS IS
A FUCKING BARGAIN.
These are the skills I improved and acquired this weeked:
1) Opening (which i was already awesome at)now I will open sets that are full of guys or even big sets
2) Negging (thought i understood, but didn't)
3) Locking in (didn't even know where to begin)
4) Body Language (was ok at but needed some pointers)
5) Teasing/Flirting (still need improvement but I know how to improve)
6) Winging (knew how to do it but not the procedure)
7) DHVING!!!!! (which i sucked at)
8) Kiss closing (even tho I didn't, I KNOW I COULD HAVE, NO DOUBT) and I know how to get there again. We're talking this was at the point where the HARD option was NOT to kiss rather than to kiss.
9) SELF ASSESSMENT! You can improve if you know what you are doing wrong, but I couldn't tell. Now I can assess what I did right and what I did wrong
so I can do the next set better!!!
TAKE THIS WORKSHOP! That is my official recommendation, that's all I can say.
-Quicklips The Lifestyle Imagining workshop by Maverick and Orleans opened my eyes to areas in the game I never knew existed. After taking the workshop and being in-field Friday and Saturday night, my game has improved drastically. In comparison to the other bootcamps being offered for over 2 grand, a complete bootcamp for less than half the price didn't seem real; but I can say for certain that my game has improved more in 3 days than it has over the past 3 months.
The handbook which came with the course also offers very insightful information into Lifestyle Imaging. With personalized and dedicated instructors striving to make the most out of their students, you can be sure you'll see results... And fast.-Krizz
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Robert "Magnum" Bednarek of "The Perfect Seduction - World's Premier Seduction Academy" proudly presents the new DVD-Set "Advanced Pick-Up Arts by Badboy".
Watch one of the most highly acclaimed Pick-Up-Artists in the world like you have never before seen him. Up close and personal. For the first time ever on DVD, Badboy will teach you all of his advanced secrets and techniques on how to seduce every woman out there. Experience a personal workshop just for you.
That will change your life.
The DVD is completely in English with German subtitles.
Check out the exclusive three-minute trailer and learn more about the exclusive "The Perfect Seduction - World's Premier Seduction Academy"-Live Workshops and other exciting products at http://www.theperfecteseduction.com/"> http://www.theperfectseduction.com
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Lance Mason ("Sensei") Pick-Up 101 (www.pickup101.com):
More than just workshops, PickUp 101 provides focused programs that begin weeks before you arrive with our ho