SPECIAL REPORT: Seduced and Conquered in the Dominican Republic, Baby!

[summary]The adventures of Cliff and Payton Kane in the Dominican Republic.[/summary]
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Cliff (with help from Rhino): Seduced and Conquered in the Dominican Republic, Baby!

We're at it again! This time, Payton Kane (http://www.seduceandconquer.com/seducewomen) and a small, select group (Rhino, myself and first timer, Adam) head out to Sosua in the Dominican Republic for a week of mainly vacation.

Payton hasn't been in the DR for a long time and does not know his way around like he does in Cancun, where he lived for 6 years and has been back and forth there maybe 150 times over the years. So it will be a trip of exploration for all of us. Friday: The trip starts with my arrival in Toronto. Payton picks me up and we meet with Rhino and then go off to buy some last minute items to take with. Payton reveals a few little known secret places to shop and he and Rhino pick up a number of items - I had already bought what I need for the trip but there were several tempting items at surprisingly low prices.

From there we ended up having dinner at one of Payton's favorite restaurants followed by a short trip to a strip joint with the intention of having a drink and calling it an early night.

Once in this place, though, Payton ran into several strippers who greeted him warmly. We went after into the VIP section where Adam ran into this stripper he had met before when he went out with Payton. She was all over him and he kept, in true seduce and conquer style, pushing her away. There was no question she wanted to leave with him but Adam had received a call earlier from an old girlfriend who he hadn't seen in quite some time who was going to be at this club downtown with a few of her friends.

Things were going really well in the strip club and both Payton and my intuition were saying we should stay there, but we went along with Adam's request to hit this skeezy bar on College where we met Adam's girls. They were both unattractive and within minutes we knew we should’ve stayed at the strippers. Even Adam was disappointed (but he hadn't seen these girls for over a year so was not sure what to expect). Under no circumstances should you let women call the shots, something Adam learned from this.

Payton also noticed that the scotch they served him wasn't Johnny Walker Black, and made a point of complaining. Rhino tried it as well and it was quite obvious the bar was pulling a scam. The manager came over and refunded the money, and on the way out we overheard one of the bouncers saying to another "those are the guys who knew it wasn't Johnny Walker." Saturday: We head out to the airport about three hours before our flight. We were flying out of the new Terminal 3 in Pearson International Airport and when we got there we were greeted by a huge line up. Even though this was a new terminal, it seemed that if you arrived late for your flight you still had to get into that line and wait; in other words, despite being a place with new design and technology, this obvious recurring problem hasn't been dealt with in any new effective way.

There were a few announcements where they took people out of the line if they were waiting for certain flights, but it seemed to be a lot more manual than it should be - you either had to lose your place in line (if you were alone) or have some stranger watch your place and your bags while you seek out someone who can tell you if you can go to the front of the line or not, or you had to be around and hear the individual who may be looking for anyone from this or that flight.

In any event, while in line we spoke with a much older woman who was flying from Toronto to Gibraltar to do some very adventurous exploring. Rhino got a picture of me talking to her and the joke was that they would get a collection of these photos this trip (me with much older, unattractive women) and Payton would post them on his website. Fortunately that wouldn't speak well of Payton's training results, so I don't think that's going to happen.

Also while in line, Payton started up with two attractive girls who remembered him from Cancun (but it was not the trip I went on with him). They were also flying to the DR, but were staying in a different city.

Payton noticed another attractive young lady while we were waiting at the gate but we didn't get a chance to talk to her. He had asked for 4 aisle seats for us with the hopes that some of us would get seated next to some attractive women. Adam got seated next to the most attractive girl that we had noticed at the gate, with her friends in the seats directly behind.

Payton and I were seated near each other, but three of the seats (including mine) were center seats. Payton is tall and sitting in the center is very uncomfortable as he isn't able to stretch his feet out. He managed, however, to trade seats with the person who had the aisle seat next to me. Next to me at the window was Joanne, who I started up with as soon as I sat down. While Joanne wasn't exceptionally attractive, she wasn't totally unappealing and it quickly became clear that she's a lot of fun and has a very outgoing personality.

We knew the trip was going to be good because we were already off to a flying start. One of the flight attendants had some attitude and we broke her down in no time, which caused her to become more pleasant and joke around with us. She enjoyed us so much she kept coming back and provided us with excellent service.

Adam worked the girl next to him perfectly the entire flight, and we were surprised he didn't end up in the bathroom with her. She suggested we meet them at some club called Mangu.

Over the course of the flight, Joanne consumed at least 6 Vodkas and became more and more friendly. Besides getting the girls going across the aisle from him, Payton got some action from the girl beside me. A good friend of hers is involved in a radio station in the Dominican Republic and she was very interested to find out about Payton's radio show. She wanted him to come visit her at the station and go on the air.

Payton said that if he came on their show, she would have to come on his show and go topless. She said she didn't need to wait to go on the radio to go topless and started to provocatively display her bra and soon her boobs to the two of us (remember, I am in the middle between the two of them).

At one point she had one breast out and Payton asked her if she could lick her own breast, which she did. Payton was about to lick it himself when the flight attendant came over and told her to straighten her chair out as we were getting close to landing.

I had loaned her a pen to fill in one of the immigration forms and she lost it. We were looking all over for it when Payton suggests it may be in her bra so she started fondling her breasts again and pulled one of them out. We still couldn't find my pen so I told her we may have to look in her pussy for it and she started to pull her pants down!

But that stopped in the middle and in the end I found the pen on the floor. She is involved in a restaurant in the DR, travels down there about once a month, gave us a list of places to go and places to avoid and we talked on getting together with her while we were down there. It seemed like we had connected with someone who could direct us to some good food and good partying, and who Payton would have some fun with once back in Toronto as she will be on our return flight (he'd have to lower his standards to do this, however).

Before we were to get off the plane, she had mentioned a few times wanting us to meet her friend who was meeting her at the airport and who works with her at the restaurant. When we were getting off the plane, she seemed to really rush away and it appeared to me that she had sobered up and became a little uncomfortable with how forward she had been.

All the other girls also quickly disappeared from the airport, and we found out the reason why later. Before we even landed we felt this was going to be a crazy week. It appeared to be off-season when we arrived, as there were only two other people besides us getting on the shuttle bus to our hotel, the Casa Marina Beach & Reef Hotel in Sosua. While this was only a three star hotel, Payton had done quite a bit of research on this place on the net and it seemed to be a very popular spot, well located near all the night life and central to the action that is going on there.

Our flight arrived in just enough time to get to the hotel to have dinner before the kitchen closed.

After dinner we headed out to the nightlife area, which was a short walk from the hotel. We heard that many of the local women would be chasing us for money, but I don't think any of us were prepared for what we encountered. The first hint happened as we were walking getting closer to the club we were going to - a guy was walking towards us with his arms around two women. One of the women, as I passed her, grabs my balls!

From there women are coming up to us relentlessly, smiling, flirting, touching, dancing, you name it. While on the surface the place we were in looked like a fairly common disco/nightclub filled with a lot of people (including a lot of attractive women), it seemed that every girl was on a mission to pick us up. I lost track of how many times women approached me that night - they were extremely grabby and some incredibly persistent. It took little time before we realized avoiding eye contact was key as without this they were somewhat less aggressive.

After a bit of mingling we got a table overlooking the upstairs and downstairs. This somewhat shielded us from the throng of ladies.

Payton found this hot 19 year old who zeroed in on him and he told her if she wanted any action she would have to pay for him. She asked how much for the week and when he told her $50,000 she kissed him. He made it clear he doesn't pay women for sex and she told him she thought he was hot.

I kept telling women that I didn't know them well enough to sleep with them - several asked me if I was married and if I had kids. Unlike my trip to Santiago, many of the girls I spoke to here knew some English or French.

Probably the most important lesson of this evening was that it gave us a good idea of what it must be like to be a hot chick back home - every woman wanted us, every woman gave us hungry eyes and many, many of them approached us. Literally you had to beat them off you. They would frequently grab you inappropriately and ask you to sleep with them. And many wouldn't take no for an answer! They were very persistent.

At the end of the night, Payton was hooked up with his 19 year old, Rhino was with another, and one who wouldn't leave me alone was holding my hand as we left the club. She had grabbed my hand and told me that if it didn't look like I was with her the police (who had showed up at the end of the night with the police lights on their cars flashing) might arrest her. She claimed that they showed up at the end of the night and arrested a lot of people, mostly the girls, for no reason and then let them out of jail the next day. So I walked with her but frequently let go of her hand and kept going so she would run up to catch up to me and grab my hand again. She was telling me how she was going to make love to me (even offered to include this other girl, Alexandra, that I spoke to on the way out, who I ended up meeting the next night), and how she thought I was very beautiful, a gentleman, etc.

Of course I didn't believe any of this and at one point I just told her I wasn't taking her back to my hotel (she kept offering for us to go to her place, which only raised suspicions that there were some of her brothers waiting to give me a real Dominican welcome if I showed up there).

When she finally gave up, she started to get bitchy about me wasting her time and she wanted me to pay her which we thought was bullshit since we didn't want her around in the first place and were doing everything to get rid of her. I offered her $5 just to leave and she got mad that it was too little so I told I wouldn't pay her anything. At that point she finally said ok and, even though Payton told me I shouldn't pay her anything, I gave her the $5 just for her to get lost.

We got back to our hotel and Adam and I just went back to our rooms and crashed out. Payton and Rhino decided to find somewhere where they could hang out with their ladies and get some food and drink. We already knew the hotel charged a lot to bring guests back for the night (this is one of the hooks you need to be prepared for when going to these resorts – this hotel wanted $128 to allow you to bring a guest back to your room, which is basically having her pay for a day. And there are guards in front of the hotel all night watching that no one gets smuggled in).

You get a plastic bracelet when you check in which identifies you as a guest of the hotel and if you are on an all-inclusive plan for your meals, which gives you access to the dining rooms. Apparently if you pretend to lose this bracelet, went and got yourself a replacement one and then taped your original cut one after putting it on a guest to get them in, you would go to jail if they found out. And one thing that seemed pretty clear is that you don't want to spend any time in a Dominican jail.

Payton and Rhino spent a few hours waiting touring Sosua and were unsuccessful finding any place that was serving. They ended up at one hotel where there were people sitting around the bar, and the desk manager kept telling them that in "5-10 minutes more" they'd have a room for them. It turned out this was the last place with vacancies that night and they rent the rooms by the hour. Since it was clear this was a Ho-tel: a place where people bring their hoes, Rhino and Payton decided to leave. There were no drinks, no food, and Payton & Rhino aren't the kind of people who wait around for pussy. They made sure the girls would make it home alright, and returned to our hotel.

So even though there was very little drinking, the first night was quite interesting. Sunday: The next morning, I stayed at the hotel and went to find out how to get on the Internet there while Payton and the other guys went to see what they could arrange for the rest of the trip in terms of having a place to go after hours to extend the partying with the ladies.

Payton met a guy nicknamed "Rocky" who he had been in contact with over email. Rocky owns a hotel (http://www.rockysbar.com/) nearby but Payton described him as the "real Elvis." This guy, who he described as quite old and scraggly, showed them a portfolio of photos of him with spectacular women - women Payton said were way better than what we had seen at the club the night before. Rocky had moved here for the lifestyle and has apparently slept with over 2000 women. Rocky also has a restaurant in his hotel that serves ribs that are supposed to be truly outstanding. His place was booked solid so he brought Payton over to a nearby hotel and arranged a room there where we could party with the ladies if we picked some up.

Payton hadn't expected to buy a room like that and didn't have much money on him. Rocky, after knowing him for an hour, gave him $20 to make up the missing amount needed to secure the room and told him to pay him back next time he sees him. Payton was very surprised and impressed that this guy would do that but Rocky explained that he's really not there because of the money; he's there to have fun and enjoy his life.

Rocky explained that the culture in the DR is different. People aren't as insecure about their sexuality as society in North America. The people know it is as natural as eating and sleeping, and feel if you are not able to be with your partner and need some action, it is ok to satisfy yourself with someone else you find attractive. Since this is a normal way of life down there, couples don't get bent out of shape when their partner is with someone else. The problem is since it is such an impoverished country, many women will do anything for money. It was our problem to distinguish between the two. He also told us that it is customary to give girls money for a taxi home, since most people in the DR don't have a car (which obviously we would use to drive our girlfriends home with in North America).

This was pretty much what I saw and understood when I was in Santiago, but I did not experience the widespread, almost universal experience of all the women being coin-operated as they seemed to be here in Sosua.

During lunch that day, Rhino made a comment to a girl at the buffet, something which would be cultivated later. Sunday night we head out again to the club district in town, back to the same disco we were in the night before. This time we had a better understanding of the situation and weren't going to put up with " chicas" who think they are going to get money out of us sooner or later.

On the walk in I purposely avoided eye contact with the women who hungrily eye you as you walk in the club district, and especially as we get to the club itself (this really lets you relate to how a hot chick here must feel).

Payton had last night "demanded" that one of the guys working there bring the air conditioning to him where he was (a funny but obviously impossible request) and tonight this guy had set aside the VIP area for us. We walked through the huge crowd up to a private area that had a circular seating arrangement.

We sat down and soon a few women came up to us but Payton made it clear that he wasn't buying them drinks and he doesn't pay for women. A few stuck around a bit but then left, and a few others came by.

Last night as I was leaving with the one I paid the $5 to to get rid of, I noticed this very attractive short, slender girl looking at me. I smiled at her, went up to her, asked her name (Alexandra) but she didn't speak English. She walked with me towards the exit (the $5 girl was all up for having her join us for a "happy hour," as she called it) but I didn't pursue it.

Tonight, however, her and her cousin (a girl with a tremendous body, dressed very well and very sexy, who's face was not unattractive but it had a Latin style to it that made it her weakest feature - she, however, said she was a model) who wore a tight tank top with the words "Baby Girl" in sequins on it, came into our VIP section. Her cousin spoke excellent English and came up to me and told me that Alexandra told her that I spoke to her the night before but she didn't understand what I was saying and she wanted to know what I said. I knew that Alexandra was attracted to me and her cousin told Payton that Alexandra thought I was cute and wanted to know what I was saying.

We grilled them and Baby Girl insisted that her and her cousin were not working girls (Payton said she told him that there were probably 5 women in that place that night out of the hundreds there who weren't working, and that they were two of them). Alexandra turned out to have a 4-year-old daughter and owns a store selling baby clothes. I played my little non-verbal games with her (twirled her, took her dancing on the floor where she dirty danced with me, pointed to my cheek indicating for her to kiss me, and, most effectively, held her right side cheek in one hand as I get close to talk in her left ear where I would say things like "I know you don't understand a word I am saying, but you are really enjoying the way I am saying them to you" as I said these things while lowering my voice, etc).

Rhino was working on Baby Girl who had a little attitude and while he escalated with her to a point where he almost had her, it seems he moved a little too fast to kiss her and she gave him the cheek. He got annoyed with that and left her to go talk with some other girls which effectively ended their encounter, even though she stuck around with us right to the end of the night (she had given Rhino her phone number and email address, but later told me that she really now wanted to get it back and didn't want him to contact her).

Payton had prepared for tonight, though, and we retreated to the other smaller hotel where he had secured a room with three beds in it. We all went back to this hotel - Payton was with another girl whom he had established ‘he doesn't pay for women’. Rhino hung out with Baby Girl near the pool, and didn't even bother to try and get action from her. He was happy to have found a place that continued serving cold beers at that hour. There was also Adam who went into wild man mode with another girl he met, and myself and Alexandra. We said our goodbyes around 4 AM, I think. Monday: I go for breakfast around 9 AM and very shortly after Payton joins me. Both of us don't sleep that much at night and we ended up spending several hours just talking that morning. We got to spend a lot of time together at these breakfast meetings this trip, as the others sleep in and we were both up and hungry each day.

After we went back to our rooms, collected our notebook computers and headed over to Rocky's where Rocky had generously offered us to use his wireless Internet set up for free. He came over to help us get on-line and ended up spending about a half hour helping to optimize the speed of my computer. This was very generous of him and very unexpected, as I had just met him.

After our time on-line, we headed back to the hotel where we met with Rhino and Adam for lunch.

While Payton and I were away, Rhino and Adam had noticed 2 girls checking them out, and who followed them into the restaurant. They were clearly interested, so Rhino & Adam made a note of this for later. One of them was the girl Rhino had spoke with at the buffet the day before.

Following lunch, we headed out to the public beach that we had been told was much nicer than the beach near the hotel. We found the beach, which was a relatively short walk away but we faced a gauntlet of street vendors as we got nearer. Deals were clearly available - I don't remember the item, but we were quoted 300 pesos for four of them. Payton offered 100 for each of us and he was ready to do it! You need to negotiate there for everything - Rocky hooked Payton up with someone for him to exchange US money to DR pesos and this connection saved him almost 11% from what others had been charging him. We walked down a street by the water that was a sort of boardwalk (without the boards), with everything you could want available (Dominican style). The vendors were all approaching us, offering us anything we could want. They were extremely aggressive, some saying "I just need to talk to you for a minute" or anything they could come up with to get you to pay attention to them. Some of the things offered were interesting, and we agreed to come back the next day when we had some more money with us.

We walked along the beach almost to the end and ran into an older man with a box on his shoulder. He was selling fresh oysters - Payton and Rhino tried one and immediately wanted more. We sat down at a table along the water but off the beach on the boardwalk and for 200 pesos (about $6 US) the man prepared 24 fresh oysters that were quite outstanding. When he left he said we had agreed to 300 pesos. We argued and then paid him (since at $9 it was still very cheap), making a note to make the price very clear among a few people so we didn't get taken again.

We also noticed someone serving Coco Locos, a tropical style drink in a freshly cut up coconut and Payton ordered four of these for us (in the end, 4 tropical drinks, 3 beers and a bottle of water cost about $21 US - Payton claimed those drinks in the fresh coconut are about $15 each in Cancun). I very rarely drink, but those Coco Locos got me pretty sauced.

We met several people selling a variety of things and made plans to head over there with more money the next day. We said hello to a few women on the beach and we ended up seeing most of them at the nightclub in Sosua later on. The public beach seemed to be the place to go - one of the vendors offered us an array of fresh seafood the next time we go and made it sound extremely tempting. When I say fresh, I mean still breathing on a wire dripping wet fresh. At one point someone said, "who needs ladies," and we realized we were having a better time without them than with. They’re just a condiment of life. This day on the beach was one of the highlights of the week, the one we will surely remember whenever we think about this trip.

After returning from the beach (which we did pretty late, after 6 PM), we had an 8 PM dinner reservation at one of the hotel's restaurants. As such, we didn't get to crash out as we usually did each day late in the afternoon to recharge. So we were all pretty draggy at dinner, which seemed to take a long time. We had planned to go to Cabarete - which is a city or town about 15 minutes away. It is supposed to be a very popular tourist town known for windsurfing and a better quality crowd than we were seeing in Sosua.

After dinner, however, we were sitting down near an area where there are pool tables and other games, and three young girls and a 14-year-old guy all from the UK started up with us. Earlier in the day Rhino had played foosball with the girls but had discovered they were too young. In particular we had Megan after us, who was 17 years old and in the process of discovering her sexuality. She made a few blunt remarks that were mostly teases, but was hard-core after us to get her beers. She came to our table to show us how she chugged 4 glasses of beer like water and kept after us to get her more. She was smoking cigarettes, drinking, and eventually told us she had lost her virginity at 13.

Her friends with her were a blond girl who had the 14 year old guy hanging on her. He seemed to be doing pretty well with her with his arms around her and Megan and her friend were trying to figure out if the little guy was going to ‘shag’ her. Payton noted that he was doing so good he'd make a prime coach in the future. He also made a point that we should note how much game a girl like Megan had at her age, and from that imagine how much further this would evolve; so we would understand how women get the way they are at different stages.

The other girl had a most prominent and remarkable chest for someone her age. These girls came around to hound us several times, with Megan and the friend with the chest blurting out how they found Ryan to be the best looking of our group. The chest girl speculated on all our ages and was surprisingly close on all of us. We finally left them (amongst a variety of pediophiliac and age of consent jokes) and instead of going to Cabarete, ended up back at the same disco club as the night before.

We came in there late and the private booth had been given away already, so they seated us at a table that was central, prominent, and overlooking the dance floor. Girls came around immediately and while some of them were forward, it seemed that we intimidated them and they would mostly stand around trying to make eye contact.

Two of the girls who we had met at the beach came by (they had told us they were sisters, but it turned out they were just very close friends) and one of them stuck to Payton. The other was trying to cozy up to me but I really wasn't interested and she ended up hooking up with Adam.

There was another friend of theirs who was a most hideous beast, and between the 4 of us we nicknamed her "Planet of the Apes." She never seemed to get the hint, and stood in the same place at our table for almost the entire night. At one point we got excited because Planet of the Apes left, but then there was the Return of the Planet of the Apes.

After we were there for a little while, I had a surprise visitor - Alexandra showed up at our table and went right after me. She was supposed to have left the city to go back to her home town which is three hours away, but now it seemed clear she stuck around hoping to see me again. She managed to communicate to me that she was having a lot of doubts about me as my friends seemed to be going with chicas (it seems that the two "sisters" were working girls, even thought Payton and Adam did not pay for them and made it clear to them that they do not pay for women) and that I was probably the same as my friends.

I frankly did not care, and told her (through Payton, who speaks Spanish) that she could just hang out or she can leave if she wants.

We were the hot commodity here, and any chance to spend time with us was a huge opportunity for these girls and, the same as it for hot women here. If they want to be difficult there's someone else just waiting for her chance to take their place.

The table of girls in front of us had a few hot women that were pretending to not be interested in us. Ryan started talking to them, but they spoke mainly Italian or Portuguese so that along with our awkward location in relation to where they were standing made it difficult to engage in conversations with them. But they put up some challenge, which was rare and which became something we started to crave.

Tuesday: When I checked my email later that morning, there was an invitation in Spanish from Alexandra to put her on Yahoo Messenger. Later in the day, I came back to my room to get a few things before getting together with Payton and the guys to go to the public beach, and the phone rings in the room. I thought it would be Payton, but it was Baby Girl who was calling to translate for Alexandra. She starts asking me what I think of Alexandra and I tell her that I think Alexandra is a wonderful girl. Then she goes on, somewhat aggressively, to start with how Alexandra has a daughter and doesn't want to waste her time and she wants to know what I really think of her, and is there going to be a future? I think this is quite much, but I told her that I had only seen her twice now and that I think these questions are very premature, that I think she's a great girl, but to be realistic I am going back to Canada in a few days also. Alexandra got on the phone herself and said a few words, letting me know she was a little sad to which I told her not to be sad that meeting her was a good thing and to always be happy about that. Meanwhile at the pool, Payton had started up with two 21-year-old girls from London, England who were staying at our hotel. They were taking the sun so Payton teased them that they need to do a lot better if they expect to have nice tans by the time they leave. They also happened to be the same girls who had followed Adam & Rhino the day before. Payton also commented it was strange they were British and yet they weren't fat and their teeth seemed, well… alright – which they found very funny (an ongoing joke all week was about the British tourists who were almost all overweight and had bad teeth).

We arranged to meet at their lounge chairs by the pool before we headed out to the public beach. When I came by, one of them, Hannah, asked how many were in our group. I asked her, "Why, how many can you handle?" which cracked everyone up. The other one, Emma, was quite attractive and claimed to have done some underwear modeling.

They ended up going with us to the beach and spending the day with us - it seems that they had tried to leave the hotel before, but as soon as they walked out they were harassed so they hadn't left the hotel for almost the entire week they had been there. We told them they could join us at the beach and returned to the place we had been, but they were somewhat unadventurous and were unwilling to try the fresh oysters we ordered. They did take sips of the Coco Locos we ordered but were not open to having anything new, which they felt might give them food poisoning.

We arranged to meet them later on in the disco that is in the hotel where we are staying, but we ended up stiffing them.

After dinner, Payton found a cab driver and arranged to have him stay with us all night and take us to Cabarete. Cabarete is a somewhat more upscale area where there is a stretch of restaurants, bars and clubs along the main street, which also fronts on the water. It is apparently a good area, but it's small. When we got there it was pretty dead (Tuesday night) and we were told that on the weekends it's really jumping as there are a lot of visitors who come in from all over the island to party there.

So we hopped back in the cab and, following the cabbie's advice, we went to Puerto Plata. The place we headed to was Mangu, a club at the Jack Tar Village Resort. The girl who was sitting next to Adam on the plane told him they would be going there and we had tentatively arranged to meet there Friday night. Jack Tar Village right away looked more like the kind of resort we were used to - much higher quality construction, design, etc. Mangu was also a more upscale place, as we had expected.

At this point we were completely uninterested in more Dominican women, mostly because they seemed to be, as I said earlier coin-operated. Actually, we had decided this earlier; just now we verbally made it official. We expected to meet more regular women, preferably tourists on vacation.

Payton used his "man’s man" principles and we were brought to a VIP section/private booth that was separated from the rest of the place by a small chain and was guarded by a bouncer who let people in and out. He told the bouncer to find all the hot girls and tell them they could hang out in the VIP section, so we wouldn't have to look for them. He failed miserably at this.

Early on, Payton started up with a woman who was sitting by herself around the dance floor and brought her into the private area. She had a very bouncy chest and an equally flirty personality. She turned out to be working all of us at the same time.

Earlier in the trip I had asked Payton how he picks up a girl when out with another girl and he explained how, for example, he'd have one hand on the girl he is with while he talks and teases a waitress. Then he would come back to the same place another time when the waitress would be working and finish what he started.

This girl would put her hand on Payton's lap and talk to another one of us at the same time - Payton pointed this out to me, remarking how she is a real player.

I spent a little time talking with her and found out she is a pimp - she had three girls working at Mangu that night (or so she said)! She flirted with all of us (I, of course, explained how I understood how she was jealous of the great chest I have).

Her tube top was constantly under pressure to fall down, and apparently while dancing with Adam her boobs popped out and she acted all embarrassed. She brought up how she was embarrassed when talking to Payton and he said, "They popped out like this?" And pulled her top right down.

She stuck around with us for quite some time but ended up leaving alone.

Next, the bouncer guarding our booth brought over two black women, one of which was very attractive but the way she pretty much immediately started dirty dancing with Payton I assumed she was looking for a customer. Nevertheless, Payton ended up kissing her and teasing her before she and her friend left (again, these two stayed with us for quite some time, probably and hour and a half or more).

While earlier in the evening we all kind of thought this was the best place we had been to so far in the DR, by the end of the evening there seemed to be an unspoken consensus that there were a lot of guys there and, again, the atmosphere lacked the challenge we originally didn't realize we were looking for.

On the flip side, there were several fairly unattractive women who were being escorted by good looking Dominican men - I remarked that this was like those top ten lists, "You know you're really poor when..." (…you will accept to get paid to have sex with a woman that looks like that). Adding to the crowd (or detracting, depending on one’s perspective) was a transvestite, a midget who asked people for money, and a really fat white biker type looking woman – when I say fat, I mean ‘take pictures and circulate on the Internet’ fat. We stayed away from these ones.

When we were about to leave, the bouncer turned to Payton and said, "Where’s my tip?" Payton gave the bouncer a lot of hell for not having brought over acceptable women - he yelled at him that he had failed and that we'd be back on Friday and he'd have one last chance to redeem himself or else he's just a total loser like most of the others out there.

Payton works everyone to get what he wants at all times - for example, the cab driver had doubled what he wanted for having to take us from one city to another after. At the end of the night, Payton negotiated with him and told him he could have what he wanted but he'd never see us again, or he could take what Payton offered, which was about 25% less, and take us around every night.

When he went shopping with Emma at the kiosks on the beach, she bought for 200 pesos a bracelet that the sales person had asked 1000 pesos for originally. Shopping with him is not only great because he has good taste, but, depending on the circumstances, he will make sure you pay as little as possible for what you buy.

Concerning negotiating to buy stuff, Payton said it’s not the money you are negotiating, as anyone could easily pay 3 times what they were asking; it’s the principle that they are trying to screw as much money out of you as possible you are overcoming. Then he mentioned how it had similarities to picking up chicks. When we got to the hotel early in the morning (or really late at night, depending on how you look at it), there was a Dominican girl in a pink hat in the lobby and Payton started up with her right away, twirling her and teasing her. She was a guest at the hotel and was also just coming in alone, but spoke little English and mucho Spanish.

Payton had arranged with one of the kitchen staff to have food waiting for us when we got back to the hotel at 4 AM, and I went off to bed while the four of them went to eat. Adam also went off to sleep, leaving Payton who speaks Spanish talking to her while they ate. The chicken wings were really good, and while Payton worked her, Rhino went to town on the wings. She asked about going for a swim, and Payton said maybe she wanted a threesome. Somehow the girl got shifted over to Rhino who went back to her room with her but found her, as he later reported, unsatisfying. He slept there until 8 AM when her girlfriend called and was told it would be better if he left.

Wednesday: On the way back to his room, feeling somewhat rough to say the least, he saw Emma and Hannah in the restaurant, and decided to see what kind of trouble he could muster up. A quick change and he went to eat with them in the restaurant. Next they went for a swim and he suggested they come and wake up Adam (whom he was sharing a room with).

Once in the room, Adam knew it would be better to separate the two girls so a little smooth operating followed. Adam and Hannah ended up back at the girls' room where Adam started making out with her (even though at the beach, Emma told us that Hannah didn't like Adam and was interested in Rhino). Rhino was in the room with Emma and started kissing her, which she obliged to for awhile but then decided to stop saying she had a boyfriend. Since this is a common stall and it was obvious she was into it, he moved in again and they kissed some more but after a bit she stopped it again. So he just sat back to talk with her and see if he could figure a way around this while giving Adam some time to pound her friend like an old sack of potatoes.

Rhino pretty much gave up on her as she offered resistance, and then Payton called the room. Before Rhino could mention what had gone on, Payton was on his way over, and was surprised when Emma answered the door to let him in.

First he asked if he was interrupting anything to which Rhino responded no. Payton was a little confused and Emma she said she has a boyfriend and if she didn't she'd have slept with him.

So Payton started talking to her, doing his thing. He asked why she had a pickle up her ass and she said how she didn't. It was that she acted that way around Hannah, who gets mad since Emma always seems to score the hot guys.

She told him that she was actually a very sexual girl and had had sex with four guys at once, was into threesomes, etc. This was a total surprise coming from someone too chicken to try an oyster with us the beach.

Payton of course said talk was cheap and undid her bikini strap. She said this was no big deal as she'd been outside taking the sun topless all week – so Payton took her bathing suit top off and started playing with her breasts. She went along with this for awhile and then started resisting, again saying she has a boyfriend and doesn't do those sorts of things when she has one. Apparently Hannah doesn't know about her wild side at all.

Adam fooled around with Hanna and got her topless, but, as Emma had mentioned, she turned out to be a bit of a square.

This was another good lesson to not listen to what women say much of the time - for Emma to turn out to be so wild after her prissy behavior on the beach was so apparently out of character that we couldn't stop talking about it.

We met for lunch on the far side of the hotel (where the buffet was significantly better than on our side, which is supposed to be the better end) and I was told about all these adventures that happened after I had gone to sleep.

Payton wasn't feeling too well today and had an upset stomach. The night before he had drunk a lot of scotch, followed up by greasy food at 4 AM (mostly fried chicken wings, and after not eating dinner earlier as he wasn't feeling well then either), and missing breakfast except for some fruit. As such, he went off to his room.

I called Payton a little while later from my room to find out that he had gotten food poisoning from the fruit he had eaten earlier, and was in his room with a doctor who had him hooked up to an IV.

One of the funniest things that happened that week was seeing Payton answer the door sick while towing an IV in one hand and holding a smoke in the other.

He sounded pretty bad but the doctor said it was a common type of thing that he had that visitors here get and that he should be fine tomorrow. This left Adam, Rhino and myself on our own for the evening and we made plans to meet at 8 PM for dinner. Dinner, foosball, some pool and soon it was 11 PM, time to check out the disco in the hotel. It was very dead earlier in the evening, but started to get somewhat busy as the evening wore on. Rhino approached these two girls we hadn't seen before, who turned out to be from France. They were sisters of Guadaloupan origin who were here on vacation. They only spoke French, and as my pitiful French is better than Rhino's, I ended up speaking with them more than he did. The younger one, Sabrina, was the more attractive one, and the older one, Patrizia, seemed to be the prison guard who was only going to allow a limited amount of fun to go on.

I teased them ("How come you are so attracted to Canadian men?"), twirled them (one of Payton's signature moves), and took pictures (I have a good shot of the two of them, one on each side of me, both kissing my cheeks). Despite all this, there were dead moments in the conversation and it seemed to stale out.

I asked Payton about this the next day, about those times when you just find yourself with nothing to say. He said that never happens to him - he always finds something to say to them. If it gets quiet, he'll ask them "Why are you so quiet? Are you thinking about me?" or really just anything that comes to mind. Whatever is happening he will use it to keep things going - generally he escalates the energy of a conversation and if it is really starting to not go his way, he will end it ("I see this was a big mistake, I think someone's calling your name, nice meeting you, ciao, see ya" and he'll back turn them and wave his fingers at them).

The rest of the evening was somewhat uneventful, although the girl in the pink hat that Rhino got action from the night before showed up with her girlfriend (I had run into the two of them briefly walking by the pool earlier in the day). She clearly was interested in Rhino and came up to him and tried to get him to come back to her room. But he hadn't had the same amount to drink this night as the one before and wasn't interested in a repeat performance. What’s interesting is she even called his room around 5 AM after the clubbing was over to ask him to come over, but he told her he was too tired).

I teased her friend who was fairly attractive - she was standing at the back of the club while I was sort of in the center at the edge of the dance floor, so I gave her the Payton Kane point at her with two fingers, then point them back to your eyes, then back to her. Then I motioned with my index finger for her to come over. First she just laughed, and I did it again and then she came over. The girl in the pink hat (that's just how I am referring to her, she wasn't wearing a hat this evening) and her, who both didn't speak great English, worked to give me the message that the black girl would see me tomorrow (after, I saw them with an older guy who was hanging around with them - I figured he was her "date" for the evening, possibly her customer).

Later in the evening I danced suggestively in front of her and when I passed by her she grabbed my ass and my balls (women in the DR can be quite aggressive - this was the second time a girl grabbed my balls this trip, and there would have been a couple of other times had I not stopped girls as they started grabbing me). Probably the most remarkable events of the evening were a number of funny comments we had about the people in the club, but other than that there was not much happening. At around 2:45 AM we called it a night. Thursday: Began with a call from Payton at 9 AM and he was sounding much better. We made plans to meet for breakfast where I found out he had slept a lot, woke up at 7 AM and had already been to Rocky's to check his email. After breakfast I went to Rocky's and spent a few hours on the computer - I also got to see a good selection of Rocky's photos of his women as Rocky was there and he gave me a guided tour of his photo albums on his computer.

Rocky is a prolific womanizer who doesn't go out to clubs. Women are constantly coming and going in and out of his hotel and he has been taking advantage of this in a big way over the 15 years he's been down in the DR. He was very active when he was growing up (he's originally from Montreal, and, in fact went to the same high school I did) but when he came to the DR he really went to town. It seems like he has sex at least once a day and has a good 15-20 women in his rotation all the time.

He told me about some of the times when he was back in Montreal and it occurred to me that he was able to get women into bed very quickly and consistently. He claimed that he didn't really have a regular routine, that it really was just whatever he thought of at the moment. He gave me the example of how he had gone up to an attractive woman who he sees and starts off apologizing for being so forward, but that he finds her very attractive and would really like to have a drink with her. That didn't really explain some of the stories he told, like how he was on his way to work in the morning once and was going to be 15 minutes early. On his way, though, he met this woman who he didn't know before, took her home, had sex with her, and then got to his work only 10 minutes late.

Rocky also told me his definition of eternity - the time between the moment he comes and the time that she leaves. I went back to the hotel after and found Payton and the guys tanning on the beach. We stayed there for awhile (I am the whitest of the group, as I avoid the sun - it is the number one thing that makes you look older and all doctors are in agreement that there is no safe amount of sun you can take) and then moved up to some tables near one of the outdoor bars where they could be in the sun and I could stay in some shade.

For the next several hours, we had a great conversation, with Rhino asking a number of questions about game (and taking what seemed to be prolific notes) and Payton talking a lot about his ideas. Rhino and I agreed that had we filmed our adventures with Payton, it would have made a blockbuster movie.

Payton mentioned one of his things that he would do once he got a hot girl's phone number. He would then ask her if she fucks on the first date. All girls will say no and act somewhat insulted and he would then playfully crumple up the paper with her number on it and toss it away and say "Well, nice meeting you!" He pointed out that how you do this is critical, as it has to be very playful. Usually after he does this, the women will laugh, slap him and tell him that he's "so bad." Payton is all about controlling the interaction at all times, taking it where he wants it to go. We talked about how many women are bored by men - if you don't challenge them mentally, they lose interest very quickly. These are typically the women that interest Payton the most, because they usually can give as good as they get and they are the most fun for him.

Adam told us the story of how at 16 he was in a terrible ski accident and spent two weeks in a coma, had brain surgery, was in the hospital for 6 months, and how he had to relearn everything, including English, all over again. This experience has made him really appreciate life and given him a new perspective on things. He seems to have had some very attractive girlfriends over the years even though Payton describes him as having had zero game until after he called in to his radio show and started learning about Seduce and Conquer.

Since then he's become one of Payton's star students, who Payton says has the charisma and balls to become exceptionally good. He's had some excellent results since he started learning from Payton, and has picked up a girl almost every time they went out together. Thursday evening started off with us meeting at 8:30 PM at our hotel’s seafood restaurant where we had dinner reservations. There were three restaurants in the hotel that offered supposedly better meals but you needed to make reservations to eat at these, and seats at these places for the same evening were usually gone by 11-11:30 in the morning.

As we came in I noticed the two Guadaloupan sisters sitting at a table next to where we were being seated, and three new women I hadn't seen before (two of which were quite attractive) sitting in a table next to them.

I spoke to the sisters for a few minutes, which was no doubt noticed in minute detail by the three other women. I had the distinct feeling that they were checking us out big time.

Shortly after things settled down, two strolling minstrels came by and started playing music by our table. I thought that would make a good picture. At this point in time, the sisters had finished and left so I went up to the table of three women and asked one to take a picture - they also didn't speak English but spoke French. The hottest of the three snapped a great photo of our table with the musicians.

Payton remarked that going up to them to have them take the picture was a good idea and that I handled it perfectly - we weren't interested (from what they could tell) in them, but they could take our photo. A seed well planted, which will hopefully be harvested before the trip is over.

Rhino ordered a grilled salmon and spent what seemed like forever eating it - we only left the restaurant at about 11 PM and he was still picking at it.

There was a large table (maybe 20 people) from the UK sitting near us who seemed to be celebrating one woman's 60th birthday. This was a collection of a number of particularly unattractive people, and at the head of the table nearest us was an older blond woman who was drunk and who's apparent boyfriend seated next to her was telling her to shut up from time to time, and who appeared eager to get her back in their room alone so he could smack her. The disco at the hotel was empty, but the air conditioning was the best we'd experienced since being in the DR and we planted ourselves there. The place never quite filled up that evening, but there were probably about 40 people in it at its busiest moment. The girl in the pink hat and her friend showed up at one point and Rhino avoided her. Her friend waved and smiled at me from across the dance floor but the vibe was that she wasn't coming over - later on, it was clear why. The older guy who was around with them the night before came by and hung out with them, and put his arm around the friend numerous times. It was clear he liked the experience of the night before and was back for more (whether he had paid to be with her/them or not was information that was not available). The three women from dinner showed up at one point but didn't stay long, and there weren't many reasonably attractive women in the place, let alone single women.

At one point when things were particularly quiet, I remarked to the guys that walking downtown to the club and having our balls grabbed was starting to sound appealing again.

Payton approached an attractive blond girl who was in jeans and who was a very good dancer (she seemed to be there alone). He was getting along with her really well when at one point she tells him she's only 15 years old! That was the end of that, he replied with "I can't talk to you anymore" and left her; but we of course teased Payton about it relentlessly. Not much was happening at the disco, but when we finally decided to walk into the city it was past the 1 AM closing time of the bars.

Walking at night there is very sketchy and I remarked how we all came here together and we may as well go down together. Nothing seemed to be happening but there was a bar across from Rocky's that seemed to be somewhat active. There were two girls and an older white guy there and the girls beckoned us over.

Payton quickly found out that they would serve us alcohol despite it being illegal at that time. They brought us in to the bar and then shut the garage doors behind us and that closed off the outside world.

Of course my first thoughts when those doors came down were that this does not bode well (Payton said the look on my face when the door shut was priceless). Fortunately, it turned out that the white guy, a man originally from the Netherlands named Jacob, was the owner and he and Payton hit it off.

He offered some good suggestions and shared some of his experiences down there. Apparently I fell asleep a few times and the Dutch guy gave me a few weird looks, which was funny as the other guys just acted like my behaviour was normal.

It's only been a short time that this curfew has been in effect, but it has had a disastrous effect on much of the bar business. His bar, for example, only opens at 9 PM and now has to close officially at 1 AM most nights (2 AM on weekends), whereas not long ago it would be going all night long. Walking the streets at 1:30 AM the city is completely dead, which is very unusual for a tourist town like this.

At one point there was a banging on the garage door - it seemed to me like that was probably the police there to bust our sorry asses for our black market activities, but it turned out to be a couple who came in for some drinks themselves (the thunderous way they chose to knock left much to be desired at that hour). After leaving Jacob's place around 2:30 AM, we walked back to the hotel and ran into three other women sitting in the lobby eating some take-out food. Payton started up with them by commenting on the food and it turned out they were from New York City.

I left to go to the washroom and to get to sleep, but Payton told me after that one had been to the DR 10 times, another 18 times. Our immediate conclusion about any women telling us that is that they are coming here for native dick.

In any event, once they said that it turned off the others and nothing happened afterwards. The girl with the pink hat made another 5 AM call to Rhino, but any possibility she had had degenerated after first she complained about him ignoring her in the disco, and then she really did it by asking him to pay the hotel bill for her so she could stay another night there. Friday: I took a chance that I might wake him up and called Payton at 8:50 AM and we met for breakfast just after 9. We've had some great talks alone at this hour while the others were still sleeping.

After breakfast we went over to Rocky's to get on the net. Payton left before I did and I spent quite some time looking around for some Dominican cigars that had been requested by a friend. I didn't find the requested brand anywhere, and was only able to find them from a vendor in a kiosk on the beach later in the day. Or, at least, so I thought. It turned out that the cigars were not the brand the vendor told me they were, but my friend enjoyed them anyway.

When leaving our hotel for the beach, we ran into Joseph, local guide who claimed to work for the hotel we were staying at to help tourists/hotel clients with their purchases. He stuck with us all afternoon as we did our shopping at the kiosks along the public beach. We bought some jewelry, cigars, men's cologne (a steal, it seemed, at $10 USD a bottle, but which I found for $8 Canadian in an outlet shop a few days after returning to Canada) and Adam bought a small native mask.

We sat at a table at one point and ordered the pineapple drinks we had seen previously, which were served in a just cut up fresh pineapple. These were ok, but not as good as the Coco Locos of the other day. I am not sure if it had anything to do with the fruits there, but I also had to use the facilities at one point and I have had diarrhea for the past couple of days (starting while down there and continuing in diminishing strength for about 10 days after returning home). Before I left, I had taken Dukoral (http://www.travellersdiarrhea.com/) which is supposed to prevent that but I gather I might have been really, really sick had I not taken it. As it was, I was just using the facilities a little more often than usual. All the guys ended up using the facilities more than usual – obviously people who had told us before we left that they think the food is good here have no clue.

Payton negotiated great prices for most everything we bought down there - we picked up a number of jewelry items at this one place where the vendor wanted 4000 pesos when we started - Payton got him down to 1500.

He remarked that negotiating pricing is similar to picking up women - there are similar skills involved.

Payton noticed a pair of jeans that he thought looked really hot and I tried them on behind the desk in the shop. There was an older Dominican sales lady sort of helping out but she was after me. She said for me to let her see the way the jeans fit and then when I tried to communicate with her she put her fist up towards her mouth mimicking a BJ and smiling at me, calling me baby, etc. Obviously everyone here is an opportunist of sorts with a one track mind. She was pretty relentless but that wasn't happening.

It has occurred to me that it's pretty sad what is going on in this country because of the poverty and overall state of things. The guide Joseph told us that he would bring us tonight to where there will be women that we won't have to pay, but as I have been thinking about this it seems that the women will offer sex or actually anything within their power to give you, to you because you are a North American and as such are larger than life to them. They simply will take any opportunity to interact with you, to potentially do anything that may improve their lives. So while you can probably not pay women for sex here, it's because they are helpless to interest you otherwise in anything to do with them. If you are willing to pay for sex, they'll accept that but their preference is to go for the jackpot where they will score big if you really like them and you take them away from this dead-end life. As such, it's not the money alone that is important; it's the hope that you represent. Payton mentioned another important piece of the puzzle about how what was really the best part of the trip and of life in general. And that was the good times we shared with our male friends. The camaraderie we've had on this trip is the real highlight. He noted that when women go out they go out to have fun with their friends and if something else happened, that was a bonus. I also think many women envy the bond that guys can have with each other, as most women don't trust other women and aren't able to experience what a close group of guys experience when out together.

Payton's game has mainly been about doing to women what they do to us, and he said that this is what life is really all about. Life doesn't get better than having a great time with your male friends. You go out and have a great time and everything else, including the women, will come around. They are the appetizers and side dishes to the main course, and are there to add to your experience. Don't focus on them; focus on having a great time and everything else will fall into place.

The last time I was with David DeAngelo, he also remarked to me that an important "Aha!" moment for him was when he realized that he stopped looking for the kind of connection he has with his male friends with women - women will never replace those relationships and once you stop looking for that from them, it's very liberating. You are able to enjoy women for what they can bring you, not what you think they should be bringing to your life. Saturday The upcoming section recalling the last day or so of what went on will be significantly more detailed than the reports on the previous days, because while waiting for our shuttle bus to the airport we sat around in front of the ocean and I cajoled the guys to go over the events of the previous night and remind me of details so that I can put them into this report. I think those reading this should read the upcoming section and understand that pretty much each day there was composed of a similar number of stories and snippets but that I didn't remember them all myself.

Before going out, Payton had a couple of episodes that were interesting. He was crashed out naked on his bed in the afternoon and the chambermaid came in. He woke up and saw her and she was just standing there staring. He asked her (in Spanish) if 'she liked what she saw’ to which she replied " Si !" Unfortunately, she was not attractive enough for him to pursue such an opportunity (but it’s a good story anyway).

At dinner, Payton teased the waitress repeatedly as she teased him that he was difficult, and how the staff all expected a hard time when he was coming around. Payton complimented the waitress (who, while not unattractive, was clearly not attractive enough) and after she left he told me that he always compliments women he's not interested in.

In fact, he told me he does this on all of his dates - he'll compliment the waitress, for example, and then tell his date that he always compliments women he's not interested in. Then he'll turn to her and say "By the way, you look fantastic tonight!" which, brings a laugh and tweaks them. That night we head out with the same cab driver back to Puerto Plata to hit Mangu again. The women we had met on the plane ride in were supposed to be there that night. Adam had made an outstanding connection with the one who sat next to him on the plane so we were going to be on the lookout for their group.

We get to the place after 11 PM and one of the doormen, one who had stood guard at our VIP section last time, started off giving Payton a hard time saying he didn't say goodbye to him when we left last time. Payton's basic response to him was "Shut the fuck up and let me in, I'll say goodbye to you tonight!" and the guy let us in. Clearly Payton's frame was stronger and the guy just yielded to him.

There was a line up waiting to get in, but when we bypassed the line and walked in, the place was empty. We were led again to the same VIP section, and just settled in and waited.

We also saw the same bouncer who Payton yelled at (and didn't tip) last time because he had failed to bring any women to us. The guy was doing everything he could to win Payton's approval and at one point said to Payton that he likes the way Payton treats him (which was yelling at him and giving him shit - a lesson Payton pointed out to us about how nice guys finish last and you have to be in control at all times of everyone around you).

He told Payton that he has nothing but he wanted to give him something. So he gave Payton his baseball-style cap, which Payton didn't want but the guy begged him (practically on the verge of tears - and you need to know what this guy looked like to appreciate this as he is about 6'2" tall, well built, a very cool type guy) to take that gift. It was as if it meant the world to him for Payton to accept that gift. Payton saw this and took it (but at the end of the night, Rhino left it on a post outside the club as we walked towards the cab).

It seemed to not be his fault that he couldn't bring women over - the very few white ones there were into the Dominican guys and the black ones were all about being paid. Payton of course still blamed him for not bringing any women over, even if there weren't any. One of the first women to come over was this Beyonce look-a-like that Payton had made out with last time we were there. This girl is tall and slim, very, very attractive but is a working girl. She comes over to our VIP section and Payton twirls her, then he started busting on her about how she wants him so much but because the last time we were there he wouldn't pay her anything she left. She hung around for a little bit, we took some pictures of her, including her noteworthy ass, and she was clearly after him hard-core.

At one point, she disappeared for a while and then came back. She came again over to our VIP section but this time Payton waved his index finger (motioning "no") at her. She came closer and tried to kiss him but he pushed her away. She told him she wanted to make love to him and he told her she couldn't afford it. She asked how much and he told her $1000 a night, and she responded that usually men pay her.

Payton, however, is extremely aware of what is happening around him and in front of him and he told me that he told her that he noticed that she had fresh make up on, and that she had probably just finished doing a customer and she wanted to feed that to him and he wasn't interested. She looked like she couldn't believe what was happening.

Payton told me later that his ex-wife was a super-model and he knows fresh make up when he sees it (he is also an image consultant and notices everything). Fresh make up like she had takes at least a half-hour to put on. She spent the rest of the night dancing with other guys (an obvious attempt to make him jealous) and staring at him. We also ran into the pimp chick with the boobs again. This time she was wearing a bustier with straps so she couldn't spill out like last time. She was just the ultimate player - continually playing all four of us. She started telling me the story about her boobs falling out last time (I had gotten the story from the guys, so she didn't know if I knew what had happened) and I told her "Sure, sure. You did that on purpose, admit it" which she laughed and said no she didn't. I told her the same thing had happened to me - I was dancing with this girl and my penis fell out of my pants.

She would put her hand on my knee and talk to Payton and I just pointed this out to her, telling her she's such a player. I saw Payton play his cheek kiss trick on her - he points to his cheek and as she goes to kiss the cheek, he turns and she ends up kissing him on the lips.

At one point when I was standing up, I watched as she was trying to feed olives (the club served us a dish of olives which were on toothpicks along with bottled water for the bottle of Johnny Walker that Payton ordered) to Adam and Rhino (my take was that Rhino was her target, as he was acting the most uninterested in her). Rhino was not going for it, and then she put an olive in between her lips and offered it to him. He refused, but Adam told me later that he had taken advantage of her offer. Rhino apparently also would tease her – he first would run his hand up hers as she tried to get a toothpick for olives and then would drop the toothpick on the floor till there was only one (his). Then he'd take an olive on a toothpick, appear to offer it to her and as she moved to take it he would put it in his mouth and eat it. He also made a habit of dripping olive juice on her before eating them.

Payton pointed out that the place was almost all black - there were very few white people in there. Finally four acceptable looking white women came in and later on Payton sent the bouncer who offered his hat to him to go and bring them to the VIP section. He came back and told us that they were only interested in Dominican guys.

The four women from the plane were there, but they were all hooked up with Dominican guys. We were told by one of the Dominican guys we met before leaving the following day that out of all the girls who come to the Dominican, Canadian girls are the easiest - give them a little rum and it's over.

Payton talked with one of the four from the plane - he asked her how her trip was going and she said they were having a great time. When she returned the favour and asked him, he said it was good with his friends, but otherwise it was terrible. He told her this was a great place for people with no game, since they only come here to hook up with the help (which was a backhanded insult).

For much of the night I had my own cheering section of chicas who were staring at me, blowing kisses at me, smiling, etc. but I just smiled, winked, and looked away. A few came up to me but I was not into these women who not only barely spoke English (if they spoke any at all) but who were looking for a customer.

Payton was having enough of it as well, and remarked how he couldn't wait to go home and have a girl say no to him. He said he could see one telling him to fuck off and he'd start thanking her! There was a very hot chick in a hat that was spending most of the night on the dance floor. Independently, Payton and I noticed that she seemed to be turning all the guys who approached her away. Payton told me after watching this he went up to her and said "Hey baby, what's happening? What, do you think you look sexy in that hat?" She asked him where he's from and when he asked her where she was from, she grabbed his balls (which basically ended his interest). The cab driver spent most of the night yawning on our couch in the VIP while waiting for us to finish so he could drive us back. But he surprised us by buying a number of the chicas drinks (none of us bought the girls any drinks) and was dancing with a few of them (once while on the floor he ignored Payton, which was really funny but you had to be there). The short, ugly, extra chunky fat blond woman was there with her "chico" again (I thought we should start a website called stumpychicks.com) as was the midget, the transvestite, and a few others who were apparently paid to be there as different members of the crowd.

Later on both evenings that we were there, the club brought out some very hot women to dance both on the bars and in the suspended cages.

Again I noticed a number of unattractive white women there with Dominican guys, who appeared to be paid personal entertainment. Also there was the tall blond woman that had this scarecrow look and feel about her - she must have had spent some money there as she was also let into the VIP section (there was room for 3-4 different groups in this area) and was with a somewhat more attractive but also older brunette friend of hers.

Later on during the evening it seemed that the two of them had a fight and the friend left. The blond tried (desperately, but acting cool about it) to get into our group, repeatedly coming over and asking for someone to light her cigarette, or to ask the time. But scarecrows were not doing it for us either, and no one encouraged her attentions and fortunately she didn't push it. As you can see from the above about the Friday night, we had a really great time out even if no one got laid. The other nights were more or less similar to this description, only I didn't recall as many details. The night ended comparatively early, with us leaving and getting back to our hotel before 4 AM. Our last day was spent mostly sitting around the beach area waiting for time to pass. I met Payton for breakfast then went to Rocky's one last time to check email, and then joined Payton in the pool. We talked for a while and then I suggested we have lunch and then check out (we had arranged a late, 2 PM check out time) which we did.

After that, we hung around the bar at the beach. Eventually 6 PM arrived and the shuttle bus took us to the airport. We wanted to use up our last pesos and Payton wanted to buy some duty free Johnny Walker Blue. He ended up buying a bottle but the price wasn't that much different from what he would pay in Canada. The duty free store that he bought that at was a combination coffee shop, gift shop and snack food shop.

In a box on the floor was a toy, a motorized ball with a weasel attached to it called "Weaselball." I remarked, as I had about a number of odd things we saw over the tip, how this is the kind of thing I would expect to see in Rhino's apartment (he was sporadically picking up shovels, plants, and other offbeat items for a variety of off the wall reasons) and he realized he really liked the toy. He bought it and I told him all his friends would now be coming over because he will have a weaselball in his apartment. Payton would roll his eyes (as he did frequently over Rhino's oddball ideas) but at one point came back from the bathroom cursing Rhino as he couldn't get that damned weaselball out of his head, and said it out loud while standing at the urinal! The flight was very pleasant although none of us (in our four aisle seats) got seated next to any attractive women and in fact we came in a half hour early (as it was a charter, as soon as they checked everyone in, they were able to leave).

Adam again was a star on the plane, with the first words out of his mouth triggering the flight attendant’s interest.

On the way out of the airport, after passing through Canadian customs, we passed the four chicks that we had met on the airplane to the DR, including the one that Adam sat next to and thought he had connected well with. As we walked by, Rhino turns to them and (after some very brief pleasantries like did you have a good trip, etc.) and says "Be sure to get tested!" which totally cracked us up and in many ways was symbolic of what we experienced in the DR. While it was Adam's first trip, this was my third week away with Payton and we all agreed that this was far and away the best trip we had taken so far. The smaller group, the chemistry between us, and the unique circumstances all contributed to a great time.

If you like this report, imagine being there – you'd know about all the x-rated stuff I left out of the report.

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LAIR SECTION (Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at http://dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at http://www.bristollair.com, as well as at http://www.seductionlair.com:

A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:

If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/

LAIR GROUP

If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. http://www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com

Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here http://lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers. Join this group (http://lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (http://www.lairlist.com/).

HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:

- Lair meetings are scheduled for Sundays at 8 pm and the next Lair meeting will be Sunday Oct. 29th. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings.

The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.

Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):

MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!

Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.

THE TORONTO LAIR

The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at http://www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.

Vancouver Social Board

A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.

Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Victoria Social society

This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.

Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/

Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Calgary Social Group

This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.

Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/

Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE: I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporatically for sarging and for schedualed meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com.

AUSTRIAN PLAYERS

Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: http://www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:

The lair can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PORTLAND, MAINE

I'm starting a lair in Portland, Maine so we can truly be "the way life should be"!

Starting with a dozen AFCs & PUAs and looking to grow and share our skills.

Send email to magickman@maine.rr.com if you wish to join.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA

I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.

SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA

I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,

Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER

Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA

Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.

EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED

Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:

http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/

ISRAEL LAIR:

For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to http://www.tironut69.com

DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING

For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:

An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com

TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:

We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA

We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch

NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO

Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is http://wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago

NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON

*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com

SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA

The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.

PARIS PICK UP CLUB

Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to SARGE regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com

BELGIUM: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.DutchSeduction.com

NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.DutchSeduction.com

NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS

There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.

Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.

NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.

DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/ or http://www.DallasSeductionLair.com

DALLAS PUA

DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum ( http://www.dallaspua.com/forum ), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to http://www.DallasPua.com
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING

Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:

Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):

The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night , 10PM in Norwich
City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

OHIO LAIR FORMED:

An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.

VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP

The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/

NEW YORK CITY LAIR:

New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ http://www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.

SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:

With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or

NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.

BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:

The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make

new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR

Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We SARGE regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"

SCOTLAND LAIR:

There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.

BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:

To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:

The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:

We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.

ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:

The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.

All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

THE INDIA LAIR

We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com

BRISTOL LAIR

These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:

If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!

The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:

A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:

No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at

gpatel1981@yahoo.com

NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!

Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:

Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & SARGE, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA

Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:

We have already met-up with couple of local guys and SARGE 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"

KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:

Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:

Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:

Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/

NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:

The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:

A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:

We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:

Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:

Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.

ATLANTA LAIR:

Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:

A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will SARGE from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:

The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:

Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.

NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):

A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:

The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:

The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

WASHINGTON, D.C.:

DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com

SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!

I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.

THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)

The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."

NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:

Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com

NYC:

Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM

SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):

1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net

2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.

SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:

We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous SARGE outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.

DETROIT LAIR:

New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.

Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com

HOUSTON:

http://www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:

Turning KJs into Active PUA
Members meet twice weekly with approximately 200+ registered members. Currently run mini study groups on Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Juggler, SS. We usually meet out in the field and streets so there is plenty of field practice. Our Sarge-Fest is a great learning night for newbies where some of Australias best PUA coach you to improve your game. We also organize other activities such as Salsa dance nights for our members and we encourage our members to contribute back to the community to help it grow. The lair currently runs its own forum so come join this active lair.
Contact iceman at melb.lair.autoreply@gmail.com. See http://Melb-Lair.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND

Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz

MIAMI:

Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.

LONDON, ENGLAND

The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com

AMSTERDAM:

Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/

The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.

PERTH, AUSTRALIA:

The Perth lair is a small group of people who SARGE regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.

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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html

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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:

I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.

Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.

Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):

Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...

Individualized Bootcamps

Sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/) Real Social Dynamics has just launched its new website, forum communities, and Foundations DVD/CD set. This is the most comprehensive program they 've delivered at a seminar and they were fortunate to have recorded it as well. Visitors can check out the new forum or get the new Foundations home study course at http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/

More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com

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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.

We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.

This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..

This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.

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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!

Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.

The website is http://www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.

The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.

Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).

This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.

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Mystery Method Workshops:

What method are YOU using?

If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.

If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.

Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).

The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?

If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.

NEW: Attraction Magic

Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.

http://www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm

Tenmagnet is doing Mystery Method workshops in Toronto and Montreal.

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DJ: Upcoming 2 day inner game and storytelling programs:

This program focuses on how to take experiences from your life and convey them in an attractive, fun, and seductive way and incorporates everything from voice projection exercises to hypnotic language structures to deep inner work on who you are and what you want to convey. The first day is inner game intensive while the second day focuses on the mechanics of storytelling for a truly *complete* experience I've received so many requests to build in some of the "old school" material on value elicitation and creating a rapport that invites her to open up to you, that I've decided to build it into this program. There will be a special section on moving from flash attraction to true connection. Please contact me for a flier with more details!

I’m offering special discounts for these programs so please email me for details at dj_seminar@yahoo.com ...

I hope everyone is well and I look forward to hearing from you. Feel free to drop a line to say hello…

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DR. PAUL SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: ***"Hey guys. My name is Dr. Paul and my friend Cliff invited me to share
some special information about my upcoming seminar and live coaching in
Chicago on November 3rd-5th.

All of you reading this are familiar with the notion of "pickup" and the
idea of a "boot camp." You might wonder why the work I do takes a different
angle. As a board certified psychiatrist and long time men's counselor I
think it's great for people to take a hands-on approach to their dating
life. When I started giving seminars based on my books and ideas I made
sure to include an innovative live coaching format that takes the best of
real science and combines it with a street smart team.

Two of the things you may have encountered from me are MindOST and
DatingOST. The "OS" stands for Operating System. These teach you the
reality underneath human courtship and character strength. If you want to
learn the method-behind-the-method (why different things work for different
people), and see exactly how your personality fits into this mix, then stop
paying guys to learn what amounts to "what works for them."

There is way too much to say about how the REAL you inside effects your
ability to attract great women. You can learn much more than a "skill set."
When you develop your natural character you have what I call Seventh SenseT.
Everything about your maturity, emotional energy and self esteem are
reflected in all aspects of courtship. I'll try not to dork out on you too
much, but you have to get this to understand what I do:

Do you want to see in CONCRETE terms the exact fundamental quality of male
attraction? Find out the secret that made one student call my program "The
Armageddon Of Seminars!"

What would you do with an easy to use system of personality profiling? When
you can assess compatibility in seconds, you know exactly how to connect
with women. The format you can learn for this is called called King,
Warrior, Magician, Lover (KWML). I've trained a team of coaches who are not
only great with the ladies, but are also clear examples of these archetypes.
They'll help you discover your own fit and also show you how to spot a girls
profile from a mile away.

There is a lot of talk about CHARACTER floating around these days. Good.
Even some trainers with bad reputations are coming around, and even that
benefits men more than nothing at all. I applaud this. Yet if you want more
than vague notions of what character means, then you need MindOS. It is
your access to the only patented technology of character building, even
within my professional field.

It's not enough to have lists of qualities like confidence, maturity,
courage, etc, such as my MD colleagues in the "Positive Psychology
Movement," "Human Potential Movement," "systems theorists" and others use.
You need to see how the parts of our mind fit together as a SYSTEM to form
your identity. You only have a few choices on how to tackle this: a.) Let
a layman less well-read than you repeat stuff from books you've already
read, back at you, b.) take a decade or more of schooling and professional
training, or c.) have a medical professional guide you. The choice is
yours.

Can you give up the idea of a quick fix? Many trainers stop at "getting
laid." In reality, that's only the beginning. You can learn not only how
to meet and attract women, but also develop real friendship and durable
connection over time. Instead of learning to cheat the system, you can
actually grow and WIN for yourself. BE the system. When you do this it
touches every aspect of your life, including not only dating but also your
career, family life and social circle.

Don't aspire to being an oversexed train-wreck of a man! Aim higher at
www. http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm."

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The new technology (DatingOS) Dr. Paul is unleashing on the world completely explains what your hangups are, not only in "hooking up" or "approaching," but through the dating process and deep into relationships. This doesn't exist anywhere else, nor will it, because Dr Paul has gone through twenty years of both psychiatric clinical training, seen 15,000 patients with problems of both a "dating" nature, AND comprehensively solves deep problems that people have with sexual attraction, commitment, marriage, breakups, relationships, trauma, depression, anxiety disorders, ADD, OCD, career complications, cheating and betrayal.

If you want permanent RESULTS, you may need some real science, and the same fun time you have at other seminars of course, with more mastery of ALL psychology of dating—INNER GAME, OUTER GAME, and never before seen PROFILING of women for perfect fit to your personality.

So far, DatingOS has only been available in person, at seminars in the heart of the city of SINGLES, in summertime after a bitter winter has all females in a frenzy of cabin fever. See http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm

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Herbal has started a new web site called "Tynan's Angels" where three of his beautiful female friends dispense pickup, dating, and sex advice every day. For more information, visit the site at http://www.tynansangels.com

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Brian has a network of sites at http://bogdock.com/ and in there he has launched a dating site, http://www.fullcontactdating.com/

which he generously has included a page for Cliff's List at:

http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/cliffs-list/

which you should visit! As a reward for visiting Brian's site, you can get a F R E E copy of his new e-book which can be downloaded from:

http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/btp/

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Dear fellow PUAs,

Probably you've heard that this year's EuroSummit will be held in London. After last year's awesome success in Vienna, we decided to take it to the
next level. In London, the nerve centre of Europe, we are getting ready to rock the world.

If have some PU experience and ready to travel, come join us, and take part in our celebration of the fairer sex. During these 3 days and 3 nights of sarging, you can meet some of the best PUAs and most beautiful girls in Europe, and you can also hold your speech if you'd like to.

Please write us that you'd like to join us in London provided all the people come you'd want to see.

It's a survey until we finish the site. You by NO MEANS will have an obligation to us, nor will your name be displayed on the EuroSummit site.

For advanced PUAs:
Please also tell us if you'd like to hold a speech, and of which topic. We'll schedule it then, but the final schedule will depend on the other speakers, too.

And after you send a pre-application, we'll send you the list of people who already signed up.

Please send your email to redpriest_hu@yahoo.com , with the subject "Euro Summit"

Thank you,

RedPriest

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Derek Vitalio:

Seduction Science Live In-Field Workshops!

The fact is, only by MODELING the very best can you achieve the very best. In a Seduction Science workshop, you'll meet and train with master coach McMaax who will take you to unique hot spots all over a particular city for meeting the most attractive, beautiful women. Your coach will demonstrate their skills and explain, teach, and show you how to interact with women at a club and on the street.

With a coach, you'll find an immediate shift in your skills and understanding with women as you see what it takes demoed live and right in front of you. And there's no reason to take the long and hard path or reinvent the wheel. After making hundreds of approaches, we've learned what works and what doesn't. We'll show you exactly how it's done and save you months, if not years of time.

You'll never have to go back to feeling lonely or lost and live passionately once again. Reserve your place as soon as possible (placing is limited!) so that you're guaranteed a spot.

For more information on the full workshop schedule visit: http://www.seductionscience.com/workshops

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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at http://www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.

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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (http://www.speedseduction.net/)

Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!

Look for more details soon, or call Dr. Yates at 903-482-1034. Price is $1,195. This seminar is ONLY open to those who own a Speed Seduction Home Study Course so you better hop on line and buy one now if you don't already have one and plan on attending.

Speed Seduction Seminars

Schedule 2006

Finished for 2006

Speed Life Seminars

Finished for 2006

Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars

Finished for 2006

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Major Mark (http://www.trucor.com):

Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.

Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to http://www.trucor.com

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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".

You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl

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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality

A home study course by David Shade http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html

If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.

The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.

I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!

It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...

- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)

- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)

- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)

- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)

- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)

- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)

- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)

- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you

have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)

- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)

- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women

- And much, much more...

The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.

Free samples of the course video online, check it out at http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html

The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.

His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730 . Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.

http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730
"The Seduction End-Game"

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Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer (http://www.seduceandconquer.com/seducewomen) CD disks present Payton's unique, dynamic style of meeting and seducing women. His methods are very natural and are the epitome of the original advice you get - tease and take away, play hard to get, etc. Definitely worth checking out, but not for everyone.

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Due to popular demand, Learn from the resident Sexpert How to be Outrageously Successful With the Opposite Sex and How to naturally let the game come to you. An intensive 1 on 1 personalized bootcamp taught to you by the East Coast's #1 Personal Dating Coach and Mentor. For more info go to http://www.youaresoinmyway.com

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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER

Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really

understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?

If so, check out http://www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/

Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar

If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on SARGEs, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!

The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.

For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.

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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:

Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.

To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.

Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.

Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.

The basic structure of the workshop is:

Day 1:

Social intelligence/emotional intelligence

How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style

Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets

Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice

Difference between emotional and party type girls

Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city

Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)

Day 2:

Difference between PUing alone and with a wing

Different tools for getting attraction

Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)

Stealing their frames

Passing sh*t tests

Push-pull

Isolation tactics(2steps)

Day 3:

AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)

Boyfriend destroyers

Passing LMR

Secrets of good s*ex

How to manage a good relationship

More bodylanguage secrets

How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour

How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget

Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)

Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.

For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: http://www.badboylifestyle.com

You can book your workshop on: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/?badboy=workshops

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The beauty of The Tao of Dating Transformation Weekend seminar is that Dr. Alex will be leading the exercises, making sure you do them (and throwing some trancework in there to supercharge it). Most people go through an entire lifetime not having done an exercise like this. You don't have to be one of them. Here you can get more info about all that will go on at the weekend:

http://www.thetaoofdating.com/liveseminar.com

The Tao of Dating Transformation Weekend is about taking that cosmic mallet to your own head and figuring this stuff out for yourself. Not because *Dr. Alex* is saying it's right, but because you're feeling it in your bones and it feels right *for you*. Your brain will figure out which it likes better -- the carrying around of past injury like a dead weight, or the lightness and ease of letting go. And the millisecond it figures out which one is more fun, it will never go back.

Like when you find a shortcut and never go the long way again.

Come join us in LA if you can. Seats are going fast, and Dr. Alex would like to see you there. It's going to be lots of fun.

The power is within you, Dr Alex.

You can write Dr. Alex at dralex@thetaoofdating.com

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Since I joined the community I've been hoping someone would come up with a web page that I could go to, each day, to find out what is new in the seduction community, but one never materialized. Rather than wait, I started one - dailyseduction.com .

Each day dailyseduction.com is updated with articles on what is happening in the community. Articles such as: New product announcements.

News of upcoming seminars.

Dates of lair meetings.

Notices of newsletters being sent out. Too often I have found out about seminars when it is way too close to the date to be able to get time off work, or the flights were now too expensive or full. I've even had seminars held in my own town that I din't even know about and which I would have loved to have attended.

And how often have you found newsletters mistakenly in the junk mail folder (I've found several of Cliff's mailing in there long after they were sent, put there by an over zealous junk mail filter)? When newsletters are mentioned on dailyseduction.com then if an interested reader hasn't received it they can know to go the to the sender's web page to read it and look around the sender's web site to find out more.

dailyseduction.com doesn't copy what is on the original web site, instead we write a one sentence article and include a link to the original web site so that it gets the traffic and the interested reader can then look at when else is on the original web site. (Take a look at dailyseduction.com and see how it works.)

dailyseduction.com does not currently plan to do reviews or interviews (others are already doing those), dailyseduction.com just carries today's news. There is no plan for an editorial, either, just the news.

If any of your readers have a new product they want to let the community know about, or if they plan on holding a seminar in the near future, or maybe they want to announce a lair meeting, then have them send an email to Editor@DailySeduction.com and I'll see about including an article it on dailyseduction.com .

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Want the AMAZING results of a weekend workshop but don't want to pay the absurd costs associated with other companies? Instructors Maverick & Orleans at Lifestyle Imaging are now introducing to the community the $350 Art of Attraction workshop. These will be held every two weeks. See videos of actual workshops! Inquire at http://www.lifestyleimaging.net

Reviews:

The Lifestyle Imagining workshop by Maverick and Orleans opened my eyes to areas in the game I never knew existed. After taking the workshop and being in-field Friday and Saturday night, my game has improved drastically. In comparison to the other bootcamps being offered for over 2 grand, a complete bootcamp for less than half the price didn't seem real; but I can say for certain that my game has improved more in 3 days than it has over the past 3 months.

The handbook which came with the course also offers very insightful information into Lifestyle Imaging. With personalized and dedicated instructors striving to make the most out of their students, you can be sure you'll see results... And fast. -Mike

"I've always known about this stuff but this is the first time since I've been reading and talking about it, that I actually FEEL like a pick up artist" and I still do. This weekend was a TOTAL change, for me and my improvement. I used to go out on the weekend to try pickup because I wanted to get good. This weekend I want to do it because ITS SO MUCH GOD DAMN FUN. I can't wait to do it again. -Quicklips

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Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"

Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.

Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! http://www.seductionlair.com/

The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!

http://www.seductionlair.com/

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Robert "Magnum" Bednarek of "The Perfect Seduction - World's Premier Seduction Academy" proudly presents the new DVD-Set "Advanced Pick-Up Arts by Badboy".

Watch one of the most highly acclaimed Pick-Up-Artists in the world like you have never before seen him. Up close and personal. For the first time ever on DVD, Badboy will teach you all of his advanced secrets and techniques on how to seduce every woman out there. Experience a personal workshop just for you.

That will change your life.

The DVD is completely in English with German subtitles.

Check out the exclusive three-minute trailer and learn more about the exclusive "The Perfect Seduction - World's Premier Seduction Academy"-Live Workshops and other exciting products at http://www.theperfectseduction.com/

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Zan continues his quest to describe "natural game" in his new DVD series "The Way of the Natural". We all know men who are at ease in the land of women, who captivate them the moment they enter a room. What qualities do they possess that make these men irresistible to women? What sets them apart from you? More importantly, can it be learned? The answer may surprise you! Find out more at http://www.enlightenedseduction.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lance Mason Pick-Up 101 ( http://www.pickup101.com/ ):

More than just workshops, PickUp 101 provides focused programs that begin weeks before you arrive with our home study materials, our 3-day skills intensive & field work training, and lasts long after you leave with follow up coaching calls and access to the PickUp 101 private forums.

PickUp 101 provides you 'warp-speed' training in a sequenced progression to take you from complete newbie to getting laid like a rock star with our proven step-by-step programs.

In our current programs you will learn the latest in:

- Attraction Skills

- Night Club Game

- Day Time Game

- Direct AND Indirect Methods of Approach

- Deep Rapport Skills

- Effective Day-2 Seduction Tactics

- Dressing For Your Pickup Artist Identity

- Multiple Relationship Management

- Advanced Pickup Tactics

- And much more...

Our programs are structured to build on each other and NEVER repeat material.

Our instructors stay on the cutting edge of what works, and we won't lock you into any one way of doing pickup. We find what works BEST FOR YOU, and provide you with all the training and coaching you need to succeed.

We also provide monthly free seminars in San Francisco, and free distance learning teleseminars.

Call us toll free for more information.

PickUp 101

1459 Powell Street

San Francisco, CA http://www.pickup101.com/ 1-877-PICKUP-9 (toll free)

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"The Brotherhood of Change is a meeting point for nice guys who've always wanted to be excellent men. A new approach to seduction, it emphasises the importance of compassion, honesty and genuine strength of character. We do not seek to be manipulative geniuses. We do not seek to define ourselves by our success with women. We seek to develop the things that are highest and best in humanity, namely kindness, empathy and respect, and couple them with the things that are highest and best in man, namely strength, loyalty and honour.

Developing skills of self expression is only as good as the self you wish to express.

We develop both. We seek to be amazing men. And as such, as an amazing man, you will incidentally, but inevitably, become irresistable to amazing women. We look in detail about the practicalities of sorting yourself out. We answer your questions. We take you seriously. Say whatever you want. Ask whatever you want. You will not be censored.

And besides, there's a wider world out there. At the Brotherhood of Change you can coordinate projects with other members in Art, Music, Entertainment, Creative Writing and Business. There's also a Miscellaneous Projects forum. Anything goes.

We also give specific forums to discuss any of the deeper issues that we face when we decide to change our lives.

But we keep it real. We keep it focused. We don't talk too much for too long.

We are men. We act.

Join us at http://www.brotherhoodofchange.com"

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New street seduction CD course from Croatia

mr.ice - Croatian seduction master finally released his seduction audio

CD "Streetmode".

Backed by 5 years of extensive research it contains step-by-step directions on how to seduce girls in normal - everyday environment.

Each part uses structured approach i.e. you are given an introduction that describes specifics of each seduction environment together with steps that are neccesary for you to feel comfortable before you start with the seduction.

You are then guided through the seduction process - from intial approach to conversation and later to kissing and having sex with a girl.

for more information: http://streetmode.atspace.com

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Trevor Emdon got the T shirt on being dumped! But he also happens to be an NLP practitioner and a personal development coach and writer, so he was darned if he was going to be defeated by a little thing like being twice divorced and having more "ex’s" in his little black book than any self respecting man should have!

He set about figuring out a way of turning life around. And he began where it hurt the most – with the uncomfortable probability that since HE was the common denominator in all his relationships, maybe it was him that needed to change! Uncomfortable … only to a point, because then he realised something VERY exciting…

If HE was the one that needed to change, then HE was in control of his own romantic destiny! And so are YOU!

That single thought sparked a revolution in his thinking, and led him to devise the powerful program in the pages of the ebook you could be putting to use in your life just minutes from now!

"How To Conquer Your Fear of Rejection & Start Dating Again!" packs a powerful punch. And at $9.99 it’s the best value antidote to a broken heart or plain old fear of rejection.

It will restore your faith in Love, Life, Sex and Romance! http://www.wizardofwisdom.com/conquerrejection.htm

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In conjunction with the PASSION FOR LIFE GROUP and for the first time EVER in Australia and fresh from my appearance at Cliff’s List Convention 2006 in Montreal, Canada I will be a major part of a two day seminar to be held in Sydney entitled "Men Get Hitched".

The Passion For Life Group have a series of seminars and events coming up and this one is the first event for men. I will be one of the main presenters over the two days and along side me you will also hear from some experienced Dating Coaches/Pick Up Artists who have different styles and an abundance of tips, advice and strategies.

But most importantly, you will have the opportunity to learn from me - Nige 54 - as I present my latest dating & relationship advice for men. Highlights of my presentation at Cliff’s List Convention 2006 are currently available to view at http://www.nige54.com along with my recent appearances on SUNRISE and NOVA FM, which will give you a small taste of what to expect over the two days. The topics I will be speaking on include:

· Inner Game

· The Approach/The Pick Up

· Being the Alpha Male

· Successful Dating

· Closing the deal

· My WORLD FAMOUS real life examples and entertaining Q&A sessions

· LIVE on-the-spot coaching

· PLUS MUCH, MUCH MORE

Tickets for this ground breaking event are available exclusively from http://www.gethitched.net.au and they are selling fast!!!

If you have any questions - please email me or the team at "GET HITCHED".

Best Regards,

Nige 54

http://www.nige54.com

P.S. For those of you from outside Sydney, travel & accommodation packages are also available from http://www.gethitched.net.au

P.P.S. In October I will also be presenting at the one day "Women Get Hitched" seminar. More details to follow so stay tuned!

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The Frank B Kermit Philosophy on Men, Women and Relationships. Everything Out of Her Mouth is a Test. In this book, Frank B Kermit goes in depth as to what a test is, what a woman tests for, and what her emotional needs are, in a thorough analysis. Also in this book is an entire chapter as to why women end up with jerks and avoid the nice guys. Finally, Frank B Kermit issues true GOLD to his readers, coming up with at least 10 solid ways how a man can effectively address a woman's top emotional needs, pass her tests, and become her lover. A "TEST" is when a woman says or does something, specifically to evoke a reaction out of a man. It is a mechanism that a woman uses to judge his overall value as a man. It is the predictor and basis for all sexual attraction and love she will have for a man. Every test is designed to make her feel special when a man passes it (thus makes her your lover) , or makes her feel un-special if you fail it(thus turns her into your mother) . At least, that is how Frank B Kermit sees it. A woman can only fit into 1 of 2 roles in any man’s life; Mother or Lover. Within each test is an emotional need being communicated that MUST be addressed. A woman always tests because her instinct to mother is stronger than her instincts to have sex. The top 10 Emotional Needs of a Woman include the protection of her Reputation, making her FEEL a range of emotions, and catering to the little girl within. They also include the man's role as the dominant in taking responsibility for leading the relationship, making her feel secure to combat the fears of abandonment and earning her trust with his honesty; even if he know it will upset her. Finally comes her physical safety, his ability to handle her TRUE sexuality, and demonstrating he has high quality sperm for reproduction. Lastly he must prove that he is not a closet homosexual. Until October 31st pick up this book for 12$ US. After that the price goes up to 39.95$ US buy it at http://www.franktalks.com/frankbooks.html

Frank B Kermit is also the author of "From Loser to Seducer" gives lifestyle seminars for men and can be reached from via http://www.franktalks.com

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Archangel:

I've got something I think you & your readers would be interested in.

It's called NLP PLUS and you can see it here: nlp-plus.com The entire system is based upon Breath, Body, Mind, Motion. It's a system of Confidence and Persuasion, and is meant to be easy to use with little memorization.

There's a demo lesson here: http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/ConfidenceDemo.asp

The Rapport structure is here:

http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/rapport.htm

The rapport structure is very simple, and extremely effective. All you have to do is the BBMM structure to gain rapport with someone.

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Juggler is back!

Charisma Sciences, led by longtime seduction authority Juggler, focuses on developing a man's natural game. Our clients usually

- aren't connecting with women despite all efforts,

- are sick of using routines and material that isn't their own,

- want to understand vibing skills that will work in *any* situation.

We are now limiting the size of our events to four students with two to three instructors (including Juggler, of course), because we're not just giving a guy some lines and throwing him out there. We get to know our clients and teach them social vibing techniques, based on their own personality traits, that apply to women, men and groups.

There's just no other way to prepare a guy for the breadth of interactions he's going to face in his life, seductive or otherwise.

It's the difference between flash game and solid game. We don't teach men how to impress their friends and thirty other people with some jokes or tricks - we teach them how to consistently get numbers that will not flake, and closes that aren't forced - by building a solid foundation for every interaction.

Our Charm School bootcamp runs Friday to Sunday in Ann Arbor, MI and

other cities worldwide. To learn more about what we teach, you should check out our website, where we have free weblogs, podcasts, compiled articles, and the three-year-in-the-making Juggler eBook. See http://charismaarts.com/. Looks very interesting!

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Announcement!

My name is Docandwriter and I am a lifestyle coach in Vancouver, B.C. I have been putting guys on the path to becoming natural and direct seducers through http://www.seductionboard.com and am proud to say that I've never had a failure, I've never had a guy who didn't get "it".

My approach to seduction is different, however, first, although I prefer the natural and direct method, I don't believe you should limit yourself to one method of seduction (be it indirect, direct, or natural). I've been out with some of the best guys, both in and out of the community, and I can tell you that every single one of them does a mixture of all three, despite what they may tell you.

And I believe that the game is first played by yourself. The more you like yourself and the better you develop your self image and internal beliefs, the better your results will be in the long run. Did you know that statistically we end up with partners who are similar to ourselves in self esteem, attitudes, and personality? It makes sense doesn't it, that you should first fix and enable what is on the inside first before working on the outside and thus this is my approach to coaching and what I do is different from most other guys.

Be sure to go to http://www.seductionboard.com/calgarystampede.html and enjoy your summer.

Thank you for reading,

Docandwriter

PS: To find out more about myself (Docandwriter), you can listen to my forthcoming podcasts on my website.

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Joe Flow:

I'm starting a new coaching program designed to speed the process of overcoming social fears and self imposed limitations. So many guys out there, and in the community in particular have a lot of bad habits and childhood mannerisms that they carry on to their adult life. These come from unconscious beliefs and memories that run their lives. I believe working to improve these issues should be tackled from both sides. On the one hand, I'm going to talk to guys about their belief system and self images. On the other, I'll comment on different things that they do, like body language, voice inflections, and facial expressions that betray these beliefs. I believe that is the best way to bring these hidden beliefs up to the surface which is the most important and most difficult step on the way to dealing with them.

My program is going to be very cheap for the time being, at least until I get some good testimonials to back me up. Since this is coaching and not a "weekend of partying", you have to live in or close to Manhattan. I'm going to have one hour long meetings in which we talk, walk around, do basic communication exercises, and later on, approach and talk to women ("day game"). After every meeting, you will get a few simple, or not so simple body language and mental exercises and "missions" that you will have to carry out before the next time we meet, in addition to new things to keep in mind about how you come across and communicate and about what goes on in your head.

If you are interested, email me at free2bu@fastmail.fm, and I will send you a short questionnaire to find out whether or not I think I can help you. If yes, the first meeting will be FREE, and no commitment on your part will be required. After that, for the time being, every meeting will cost $50. I make no flashy promises. I'm aiming for a PROCESS, not a magic bullet.

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Giuseppe Notte:

http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/ - Giuseppe Notte's ALL ABOUT WOMEN: The Encyclopedia Of Seduction EOS is a new product covering the topic of seduction from A to Z. This 100 pages e-book is ideal both for newbies and more experienced guys willing to improve weaker points of their game. The book is split into 6 bigger parts:

1. Being a woman Learn how women think and understand the "logic" behind their actions.

2. How to be the Man Part two is about the attitude. You can attract women just with your presence, by becoming a "real Man". Avoid the most common mistakes men make and learn valuable tips on body language, dressing and improving the overall quality of your life.

3. The first step: meeting girls Overcome your fear of approaching women and open girls anytime, anywhere without excuses. With the powerful techniques in the book, you won't have to memorize any "canned" routines or NLP patterns.

4. Second step: from the first date to having sex Get from the first date to the girl's bed easily. Don't be stressed anymore on when and how to kiss your girl or where to take her. You will learn step-by-step instructions for each phase.

5. Third step: keeping a relationship The secrets of keeping a long, rewarding relationship, or multiple relationships at the same time. You choose.

6. Sex Overcome your problems, improve your sexual life, become multi-orgasmic and turn into an irresistible lover.

For more information, visit http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/.

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CEIC: Sickboy and Playboy (Mike and Stephen from the DYD interview series) have launched "Cutting-Edge Image Consulting" ( http://www.ceimageconsulting.com ). They offer exclusive, one-on-one programs in New York City. Also, they offer a 7-Day Audio Program which covers the following topics:
- A groundbreaking 3 point structure that serves as a roadmap to any successful interaction.

- The two most powerful qualities women are drawn to, and how you can learn to use them with shocking effect

- We go over the subtleties of female psychology and why it is absolutely necessary to do THREE things when meeting a new woman…do you know what they are?

- We disclose the secret of "hooking" - what it means and how to do it with shocking efficiency.

- We uncover a key language skill that can build fascination in any woman, ANYTIME. This skill is critical when building connections, which lead into relationships.

- Devastatingly effective conversational openers and lines.

- How to bait ANY woman into a conversation so that within minutes she is dying to know YOU.

- We list the EXACT places to go where you can meet women with the greatest probability of success. Stop wasting your time in the wrong venues for YOU.

- We teach you how to be the center of attention and the life of the party within SECONDS of meeting complete strangers.

- Learn which conversational topics are fascinating to women. Never be boring again.

- We provide a clear definition of relationships, and why some work and some don't. We give you clear-cut ways to improve all of your relationships TODAY.

- There are three different ways to engage women in conversation when you are socializing. These three are based on the three different environments that exist socially. Do you know what they are? We teach you on Day II of the program.

- We teach you the FASTEST way to begin conversations in ANY environment.

- Learn how to counter the most common rejection phrases from women - NEVER be shot down again.

- We outline the aspects of a successful mindset, and we then lead you through a clear and concise exercise to attain that attitude for yourself.

- MASTER the art of flirting.

- We instantly improve your body language and tonality with simple, clear advice never heard anywhere before.

- We give you a SIMPLE way to ALWAYS be relaxed and comfortable before approaching and engaging women in conversation.

- We have an entire CD which guides you through a step-by-step process for creating a timeline that helps you get back on track in EVERY area of your life. We have a solid system for bringing you in touch with what success means to you, and then developing a timeline - a plan - for success. Our aim is to help your dreams become a reality.
Check out their website today at: http://www.ceimageconsulting.com

Here are some recent seminar testimonials for CEIC.

In short, our work focuses on a man’s "image", meaning his

presentation not only in style and fashion, but also in word and

energy (vibe). The latter are far more challenging and compelling

to me. The greatest hurdles to success is our INTERNAL

framework of images of ourselves and others. I prescribe no

shortcuts to success, but I do outline a fairly rigorous and demanding

practice for guys to rewire these beliefs in order to be empowering

and healthy. We DO cover the essentials on approaching, flirting,

teasing, storytelling, frame control etc – we have streamlined this

discussion to only include the imperatives. Our belief is that without

a very solid understanding of female/male energy dynamic and

psychology – stemming from years of evolutionary research and study –

a guy stands very little chance of REAL understanding which can lead

to healthy, sustainable relationships.

In other words, time to step into the REAL fire…

I’ll let the students take it from here. Here are views from two guys who

attended the December program:

"Imagine this: you're a regular guy... maybe late 20s, 30s, or even

40s. You're smart enough but you're not Einstein. Neither are you

Tom Cruise, but you also see guys who are no smarter, richer, or

better looking having an easier time with women. Maybe you're someone

who really wants a monogamous relationship with a woman, but you

don't want to just "settle." You want someone terrific, a woman who

"gets you," who you think is really sexy and, just as important,

finds you really sexy. You want to be able to spark the desire that

serves you, and inspires other people. Or maybe you're someone who

thinks you'd like multiple relationships, but while you can imagine

it, making it happen is as elusive as water in the desert. Well, it

strikes me that Stephen and Michael are teaching skills that are

relevant, memorable, and easy to use, rather than asking you to

memorize series of monologues or even gestures,

Without giving away their secrets, let's just say that you walk in on

Saturday. You're curious, a bit nervous, and also just wondering what

you'll gain. You walk out on Sunday with one over-riding sense.

Excitement. Because you have a tool set that is easy to put into

action. That skill set is not based on changing yourself. It's based

on tapping into who you are as a man. It leverages your own

experiences, stories, and inclinations. You work on creating a vision

of the type of women you genuinely desire, and also the type of man

you want to be in the world. In a sense, these guys collaborate with

you to build your own dream house, helping map out the blueprint to

actually construct it. Only what you're building is not a house. It's

the best aspect of who you are. And it's no dream. It's for real.

Stephen and Michael work through that design and construction process

with you, as coaches as well as teachers.

The process teaches "smarts," but it's smarts about who you are, can

be, and want to purse. They also lead you through a series of

exercizes to put all that into action. Yes, it's challenging. But

it's also a lot of fun. I saw the results immediately that first

night hanging with another member of the class. I have read a bunch

of material from other experts, and can say honestly that these guys

are up to those standards. They're original, doing more than

rehashing what exists, and giving their own perspective in ways that

are relevant and actionable. They're also fun to work with and, as I

mentioned to them from a marketing standpoint, they could be charging

a bunch more for their workshops. It's a great way to propel a guy

forward.

JF

NYC"

Or:

"I'd like to praise Stephen of Cutting Edge Image Consultants for

a great two day seduction workshop last weekend (Dec 10th & 11th)

It was a thoughtful, concise and comprehensive program for meeting

women, having successful first and second dates, and keeping them

interested for the long term.

His approach is very organic. He's developed a way for men to be

genuinely charming all while being their real selves. One of his many

techniques is called Baiting. It's a highly effective tool when approaching

women cold and gets many more positive responses. Baiting allows

you have plenty of interesting things to say to a woman you've never

met before without having to resort to corny pickup lines and rote

exercises. The last half of Sunday was a great education in clothing

and fashion tips and how it can powerfully aid the seduction process.

Going one step further his teachings have a healthy component to it.

They are evocative of David Deida, Michael Meade and Robert Bly

(who are the leading authors about men's issues) and encourage a

man to find and nurture his true masculinity. In fact he believes that

success with women is hinged on a man moving toward his

best self in all areas of his life such as health, finances, spirituality and

relationships. Try just one of his programs and I guarantee he'll be

your favorite seduction coach.

Although the seminar stands on it's own, it was a great complement

to the one-on-one training I'd received two months ago ("Afternoons with Stephen".)

I got a chance to digest more deeply his overall philosophy and techniques."

JC

NYC

We have a page solely devoted to the program where you can read more about it, and sign-up.

Here is the link:

http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/seminar.html

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Scot McKay is a dating coach in San Antonio, TX and founder of X & Y Communications, a one-stop-shop for dating resources. Sign up for his free newsletter at: http://www.deservewhatyouwant.com/ .

He is the author of the book "Deserve What You Want", which focuses on becoming the best partner you can be NOW instead of sitting around "waiting for someone to come along".

His next book, "Cook For Your Date" uniquely combines culinary tips and recipes with a wealth of strategy designed to help you maximize attraction and overall chemistry when planning a romantic evening for two. ( http://www.romantic-dinner.com/ )

In addition, Scot has produced the world’s first audio program designed specifically to increase success with women for men who are shorter than average. ( http://www.nottooshort.com/ )

His latest venture, DateToOrder ( http://www.datetoorder.com ), bridges the gap between profile-based dating sites and matchmaking services. DateToOrder helps you inexpensively and effectively cut down on BAD first dates…dramatically.

Scot and his fiancée Emily host the popular podcast series "X & Y On The Fly" which is now listened to on six continents. You can subscribe for FREE at http://feeds.feedburner.com/xyonthefly .

Coaching sessions and online profile overhauls famously come with a 100% money back guarantee. Scot makes it a point to be refreshingly approachable and available may be reached via email at scot@datetoorder.com or via worldwide voice-over-IP on Skype as "scotmckay". Initial consultations via email or Skype are free of charge. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.songsofseduction.com

A full rock music album created for the purpose of seduction is finally available! These 10 songs have been arranged to create rapport, capture and lead her imagination, start the attraction process, and ultimately GET HER IN THE SACK! State of the art NLP combined with hypnotic but rockin' music leads her through the seduction process for you. Best of all, it looks like a regular pop-rock album and sounds like the best alt rock on the air! The lyrics have been painstakingly written by NLP programmers, and the music was recorded by world-class recording artists, using the latest in persuasion techniques together with rhythmic emotional influence technology.

Get yours today, and get laid tonight!

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http://www.datinghelpformen.com is a website designed by a guy who at one time had limited success with women. He posts what he learned there, from his mistakes and errors to his successes. They will be dealt with step by step so that you can repeat his achievement without replicating the miscalculations. This site is for beginners but if any of you pros would like to join the site and help out that would be great (and of course in return those of you with products will get great link placement)

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Check out the 'supermarket of seduction' at http://www.seductionpro.com. Lots of interesting products to look into.

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Impact Interaction (http://www.impactinteraction.com) @ London

Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.

The workshops include:

- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear

- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance

- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…

For more information go to http://www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.

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To reach Cameron Teone and Seth Parker please go to http://www.buildattraction.com or you can email Cameron at CameronTeone@yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ranko: Want to leave a stunning impression when you see her: on the street, at work, on a party?

Then come to The Instant Date 101 Workshop by http://www.attractanddate.com/.

3 days of both day and night action

We made a special newsletter for those interested in workshops, where we teach you by Video Clips

the workshop secrets: 30 min of video content, several video testimonials and more! Even if you can’t

make it to the workshop the clips will be a great help to you! http://www.attractanddate.com/

Watch Ranko (aka Shark) explain stopping her and the famous "I like you" opening line and dating her. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Flirting Weekend London -

Learn how to develop immense pulling power in every aspect of your life!

"Flirting isn't just about impressing the opposite sex and picking up a partner, it's about getting on with people", says Peta Heskell, the founder of Britain's only Flirting Academy. "Great flirts do it with everyone -flirt that is!" Flirting is a way of interacting with people that makes it fun and easy to connect with them and makes them want to be with you. Become super sexy, develop your conversation power, boost your confidence, courage and self esteem and find out how to approach strangers and feel good. You may be looking for love, want to make more friends or improve the way you interact with people in general.

Flirt with life. Flirt for love. Flirt for fun. Flirt for success.

Please call 02476 541 164 and speak to Gerry and Jenn who will be happy to answer any questions and take your bookings ;-))

For more information about the Flirting Weekend, contact LifeTalks - tel. 0117 973 1010, email info@lifetalks.co.uk or visit http://www.lifetalks.co.uk For more information about the Flirting Weekend in London and other workshops with Peta, contact The Attraction Academy tel. 0700 4 354 784 or

visit http://www.attractionacademy.com/

Peta Heskell - Director of Possibility
Flirting and Attraction Academy
Develop immense Pulling Power in all areas of your life
http://www.getresponse.com/t/789401

CONTACTS
Tel: 0700 4 354 784
Talk Talk: 0208 979 2994
Tel Intl: + 447770 741 323
Mobile/Cell: 07770 741 323

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Have you ever asked yourself...

* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?

* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?

* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?

Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)

Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.

Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.

There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.

http://www.MakeoutMastery.com/

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Step by Step Threesomes
Hey, check out Suzy Bauer's site and her e-book (we need a review, so someone get this and let us know what you think) about creating threesomes. Suzy is an attractive married bi-sexual woman who says that her e-book will show you what to do to create threesomes, how to overcome resistance and how no one can tell you how to do this better than a woman. http://www.stepbystepthreesome.com/

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"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"

http://www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm

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Maximillian Hell:

I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell

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Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):

http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

http://www.macktactics.com/

http://www.seductionformula.com

http://www.thejamesmethod.com/

http://www.seductiondvd.com/

http://www.becomeaplayer.com/

http://www.SeductionGuide.net/

http://www.sensualitysecrets.com/

http://www.puamedia.com/main/

http://www.datinghelpformen.com http://www.lady-killing.com

http://www.ladymagnet.com

Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: http://www.dynamicsexlife.com/

http://www.sexgodsecrets.com/get.php

Someone needs to check this site and its products out also: http://www.mensniche.com (site is either inactive or no longer relevant) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Return of The Bishop

After a 4 year absence, Bishop is back with his latest seduction product called, "The Fire of Seduction."

Now, no matter who you are, there is way to be NATURALLY seductive around women! There is a way to move past whatever has ever stood in your way! There is a way to at last get the kind of seduction success that has so far eluded you. That way, is "The Fire of Seduction."

In fact, Bishop is SO confident about his latest creation, he's giving a FULL YEAR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!! You have everything to gain!

Here's just a sample of what awaits you:

* The Four Horsemen of Seduction -

Finally! The simple 4-step process that makes ALL seduction work!

* 'Phanting -

This strangely named chapter AT LAST reveals how to tell what kind of woman you're approaching, BEFORE YOU EVEN SAY A WORD TO HER!

* Advertising to Women -

Learn what advertisers have spent BILLIONS on to influence women, and how YOU can use it in seduction!

* Detached Presence -

Simply put, it's how to be miles away and STILL have her suddenly think about you, as if you're in the room with her!

* Tests, Games, and Positioning for Power -

The "behind her walls" secrets on the things she is trying to test you on, and you likely never even knew it! (Plus, how to use it right back on her!)

* The Positive Side of "Let's Just Be Friends" -

How being "just friends" can actually ACCELERATE your seduction success!

* Thinking Differently -

This chapter takes some commonly held beliefs about what it takes to seduce women, and shatters it!

There is so much more that awaits you, in this 330 page e-book, with nearly 7 HOURS OF AUDIO FILES!

And remember, there is a FULL YEAR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE, so you have every reason to BUY RIGHT NOW!

Bishop's new site can be visited by going here: http://www.new-alpha.com (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)

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Daniel:

If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at http://www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.

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Carlos Xuma:

Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, s*ex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. cliffslist.datingdyn.hop.clickbank.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A few sites to check out:

http://www.becomeaplayer.com

Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => http://www.highstatusmale.com/.

David Wygant (http://www.whatsyourexcuse.com & http://www.mydatingagent.com).

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Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: http://www.HypnosisEvents.com

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The Foundations of Seduction

Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: http://www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD http://www.sexualkey.com/

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"FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been doing several boot camp style one-on-one courses.

October 27-29, Freedom with Women, Madison, WI led by Ron Louis

Contact Ron Louis: ronl@howtosucceedwithwomen.com or contact davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com

To find out more about the "Freedom with Women" seminar, go to http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/fww5.html

HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/

1. You can receive a series of audio programs from the "Freedom With Women" seminar. This audio is not available anywhere else!

2. You'll get valuable email summations of these audio programs to "lock in" the learning and help you take action.

3. You'l get other special email lessons from the "Freedom with Women" seminar, all about finally having real freedom with the women you desire.

To get the free course, go to http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/free-audio.html

For more info, get in touch with them through their site, http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/

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Advanced Macking:

In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: http://www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm

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Michael:

If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level, you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminars in Toronto. It is two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.

And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.

Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks! Check out The Dating Wizard's new site and Seduction Mastery Apprenticeship Program at: http://www.thedatingwizard.com/

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FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL

The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:

1. Trance Words

2. Rapport

3. Persuasion Anchoring

4. Pacing, &

5. Leading

Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.

Anyone may join the tutorial at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/

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