Women will love you for it!
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DID YOU MISS THE 2005 ASSEMBLY OF PICK UP ARTISTS, LADIES MEN, & DATING EXPERTS? You are in luck!!
The Cliff's List Convention 2005 DVD's are NOW available. Go to http://www.cliffslistconvention.com and get your copy. Don't miss this outstanding record of a magical event where the best in the World pulled out their "A" games and presented the highest quality information seen anywhere. Featured speakers include Mystery, Style, Tyler Durden, Dave M., Steve Piccus, Will, Cameron Teone, Dr. Alex, David Shade, Doc, Toecutter, Zan, Brent, Bishop, Patty, David DeAngelo, Lance Mason, and more, including the first Threesome Panel! The reviews have been phenomenal, all confirming that this is the product to take your game to the next level.
2006 DVDs Coming Soon! VERY SOON!!!
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PROMOS:
See the on-line version of this email at http://www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for details about the following - scroll down to the Promo section:
- Frank B. Kermit (aka Brother Kermit) has launched an Internet radio show Frank Talks Pleasures and Lifestyles, that will broadcast Wednesdays at 8 p.m. EST on http://www.natradio.com that anyone with a computer can listen into for free. For the next few weeks, Kermit will be interviewing various seduction gurus the next one being Payton Kane on Jan 17th. . For more info, see the detailed listing in the promo section of this letter that appears only at http://www.cliffslist.com.
- Real Social Dynamics will be hosting their Transformations Superconference in Los Angeles on December 15-16, and if people signup using the below link, they will also be enrolled in a free Jlaix Bonus Seminar on December 17: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/
- Grant Adams has a special ebook offer THIS WEEK ONLY that you can read all the details of in the on-line version of this email or you can go to: http://www.net2bed.com/v2/december/special_howtoreadawoman.php
- In The Game by Neil Strauss, "TwoTimer" is talked about as one of the top players. His more commonly known handle is IN10SE, and his "Octoberman Sequence" has been whispered about and become a LEGEND in the on-line Pickup artist community. It's rumored to give a woman ULTIMATE pleasure and you ULTIMATE control - in as little as 15 minutes! Only the BEST of the BEST know it. Check it out here: http://www.octoberman.com/
- PUAtraining.com offers training events in London, England and in Scandinavia. Our approach is quite different. We have a core system that we believe forms the basis of any pickup. It is simple enough to understand within 30 minutes. We then teach optional elements like NLP
, C&F, push-pull, etc. that can be added in based on your personality. Come to our website, http://www.puatraining.com for free advice, to see pics of our girls, and to check out what we have to offer.
- The founders of Fastseduction.com have co-produced a unique DVD set called "The Art of The Pickup". The DVD set is an A to Z product that uses interactive video & professional narration to teach men everything they need to know to be successful with women, starting from the initial approach, going through contact closing, email & phone follow-up, second dates, insta-dates, getting her alone, setting up your place, exactly how to seduce her once she is there, & more. Alternate scenes are included to show different techniques as well as how to deal with common types of resistance. Also included is a Foundation section which covers things like inner game, the secret psychology of women, basic hygiene and fashion advice & other essential information that every man must know. Bonus features include powerful affirmations tracks, audio samples from live pickup seminars, & interviews with experts such as dating coach Will H. & never before seen video interviews with the founders of Fastseduction.com. http://www.artofthepickup.com/
- Scot McKay of X & Y Communications has just announced his monthly audio series entitled "Power Sessions For Men". This series is dedicated to men who wish to dive deeper beyond basic approach and pickup--and even beyond the simple ability to get beautiful women--into the advanced world of attaining the "holy grail" of total control over one's dating life. Earning the right to be the man with the highest quality woman in the room anywhere and everywhere he goes is the end goal. Check out Scot's program at http://www.deservewhatyouwant.com/powersessions/4130
- Ron Louis & David Copeland have published a new book on how to get the women you desire to pursue you by being the "Hard to Get Man." Find out more at: http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/htg/index.html
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PickUp 101 in the media!
In the last few months PickUp 101 has been featured on
both a major TV network (CNBC) and had a front page
article in the Life Section of USA Today.
Here are the links to the on-line version of these stories:
CNBC:
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=c6714218-cb17-4f68-a5be-db40a8a2dd02&f=00&fg=
or
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=c6714218-cb17-4f68-a5be-db40a8a2dd02&f=00&fg=
USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2006-08-14-pick-up-school_x.htm
or
http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2006-08-14-pick-up-school_x.htm
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Joseph ( http://www.songsofseduction.com , http://www.myspace.com/songsofseduction):
I've been away from this list a long time because it worked! It was Cliff that first opened my eyes to the world of seduction, beyond Maxim pick-up tricks and "just be yourself for dummies" self help books. Cliff's List introduced me to the best in the business, the people who were taking the laws of attraction into their own hands and
making them WORK for THEM instead of playing a percentage game like the players and the mackers. From the selection of various gurus I chose the path of Speed Seduction (http://www.speedseduction.net/) and NLP, and though that style proved harder to master than some of the other styles who's techniques worked well for me (David DeAngelo http://doubleyourdating.com/ , I found that its versatility and power and fun-factor were ideal). It also led me on to studying NLP in other forms, and I took enough home study courses and went to enough seminars to earn a 2 year degree in persuasion and self-help. The most informative and worthwhile seminars happened to be from Tom Vizzini and Kim McFarland (http://www.essential-skills.com), but Ross Jeffries puts on a mean one too. As a result of these teachings, my financial and social stock soared. As Major Mark (http://www.trucor.com) had warned, it went from being able to seduce any woman I wanted, to not having to seduce any women, and finally to having to keep women at bay. The knowledge in NLP and marketing helped me to double my yearly income through the acquisition of jobs and the selling of my own products. I booked gigs for my band paying $250 an hour per man plus expenses for 18,000 people from Amsterdam to Atlanta. I wrote articles for international magazines and got paid to ride planes and go to jazz festivals.I earned commissions for $150,000 cabinet jobs in the booming real estate hot beds of South Carolina and Georgia.
I haven't read Cliff's List in a long while, because I think I just don't have the libido that some of these career PUAs have. After I'd sampled alot of different beautiful women and had my share of cultures on both sides of the Atlantic, I was more concerned with how to KEEP from seducing them than learning any more about HOW to seduce them.
Sometimes it makes me laugh to think that young students of seduction don't really know what they're getting into. You want IT so bad, but then when you get it.....it's a lot to handle. And then you start remembering that there are other things in life besides ultra-fine women. Like making money and writing books and recording music and playing MMORPGs(yep I'm a nerd too!) and fishing and boxing and a whole bunch of other things that you can't always do with women.
Now I'm in a wonderful relationship with a beautiful exotic personal trainer. Sure, sometimes I break into the David Shade (http://www.masterful-lover.com/ebook.html) moves or treat her to a night of play with NLP. But I'm no PUA anymore - there's something to be said for ease of living. I have books to write and songs to record while Mystery is out testing the latest technique in a bar or coffeehouse. My "set" is usually on the couch behind me and when I finish writing the current chapter or laying down the current track, I can fire off an anchor to get her in the mood or ask her to call up a girlfriend. Or I can be really lazy and just put in the CD with those NLP songs I recorded.
And here I come to the main reason I'm finally writing to Cliff again. The PUA community has gotten big and mean since this southern boy's been gone. There's alot of bickering going on. People who used to be friends accusing each other of being frauds, people competing for the Hollywood slot and the article in Hustler, people becoming
extremely protective of the markets in which they do business. You guys who are just learning, don't buy into it too much. it's just about money. David DeAngelo works. Ross Jeffries works. Tom and Kim's methods definitely work. Neil Strauss and Mystery probably work too. You can usually spot the frauds a thousand miles away if you're even a casual reader of Cliff's List.
The main thing is that you don't take it too seriously, or NOTHING will work. Don't be uptight. Have fun with the skills. Don't worry whether or not you fuck up. Don't worry whether or not you get this particular girl. And don't spend a year's salary or go into debt buying too many overpriced seduction methods or seminars. You don't
need to buy everything offered just to become successful with women. One good course or seminar, a couple of gimmicks, and a subscription to Cliff's List is all you need. And time. Time and practice.
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Ciaran 'Dr Jekyll' Healy:
Talking About A Revolution...
Think on this, if you will. Germaine Greer's famous feminist text The Female Eunuch crystallized and initiated something which had been brewing in the minds of women for a long time. That dissatisfaction that had boiled below the docile surface of female propriety for decades, even centuries, was unleashed and given form and focus by the work of that woman.
What she did was to kick off a revolution. A sexual revolution. It was a sexual revolution for women, where women suddenly were able to take control of contraception and thus pregnancy, and have sex as and when they chose, with whomever they wanted.
The effect on our society has been so profound, so total, that it has reached a saturation point. Women have become so free in terms of self-expression and sexual expression that there are whole industries of magazines which cater to the sexual and personal exploration of what it means to be a woman.
This effect is so vast in our society as to be part of its normal fabric. It is a victory so complete that we of this generation cannot conceive of a time when it was different. Always, in our memories, this battle was being fought, and always women were winning their sexual freedom. Their victory has been total. Female sexuality is something which is now celebrated, vaunted.
And yet the world is unbalanced.
Male sexuality is not celebrated. Far from it.
The problem is so extreme that the majority of men are basically unaware that women experience lust in the same way as they do. That, as men, they are all objects of female desire.
Millions of men, millions of highly educated, intelligent, healthy men in this society are basically unaware that they are sexually desirable.
The popularity of this community is to my mind held back only by the extent to which it can be caricatured as a group of Internet geeks-cum-sleazeballs. But that is not what we are. We are something else. Something very different.
The depth of intelligence of the men in this community is something which is awesome to behold. The depth of passion is more inspiring still. Yet greater than these things is the integrity, the courage and the decency with which many of us who are making this journey conduct ourselves. We have the humility to continue to learn. We have the integrity to listen to each other. To care about the men we teach. To seek to better ourselves in every way imaginable.
The key division in the seduction community is between those who want to get beautiful women, and those who seek to deserve beautiful women.
For some, this community is the pursuit of sex. For others, it is the pursuit of personal excellence.
There are two ways to get an amazing woman. You can become an amazing manipulator, or you can become an amazing man.
Those that seek only sex, and power over women will get what they seek, at the cost of their hearts. Those who seek excellence though - they have a potential that is practically limitless.
And for those who seek excellence, a possibility exists.
Nowhere else in the Western World, to my knowledge, are such a group of men as we united and focused in the confrontation of fear and apathy in our own lives. We number in the thousands. Literally thousands. And counting.
I believe that the time has come for something to begin in earnest. I'm not talking about a community. I'm not talking about a new forum.
I'm not talking about a new lifestyle, nor am I talking about reversing any of the gains, the great and noble gains, that women have made for the cause of their personal and sexual freedom.
I am talking about a broad-based, society-wide sexual revolution. For men.
A sexual revolution that will fight to grant men freedom from shame. A revolution that will give all men everywhere possession of their sexual destinies. A sexual revolution that will allow men to once more take the lead in their lives, take strength again, take heart again. A sexual revolution that will give our weakened and embattled gender a sense once more of the time when it was the gender of warriors and heroes, and not of middle-managers and pen pushers.
A sexual revolution that will echo around this planet as a clarion call for man, for mankind, for courage, honour and excellence.
No longer will we be leaves in the hurricane.
We will be the hurricane, gentlemen. We will be the fucking hurricane.
I will fight for this goal. I will fight for this goal with all my heart, to put real and specific plans into order to make this a reality. To drive the seduction community into the light of day. To drive the ideas in it, about strength, personal power, self-discipline, courage, fortitude - to drive them all into the light that they may be seen by millions. And when that provokes a reaction, I will do everything I can to turn that reaction into a movement of change. Something big. Something really, really big.
And it can be so. Those of us who believe that this world needs changing but have always felt too weak to make real decisions can act together, as one. We can face the insecurities and weaknesses that hold us back, and defeat them. We can become excellent men.
Because within the hearts of many men lies a focused, burning desire and rage to achieve what is our right, what is our birthright as men. Excellence is our birthright as men. We should fight for it.
And frankly, what are you doing today that is more important?
This is a revolution which must come from within. It's a war of conquest that must be fought against fear itself, against cowardice, apathy and indecision. A personal war on a global scale. What is at stake is our worth, our value as human beings. Let's prove to ourselves, and to the world, that we're worth a damn.
We are what we are. But what we can be is limited only by our resolve, our strength and our vision of how great we each could be.
I wish you a Merry Christmas.
I leave your New Year's Resolutions to you.
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R.K.:
Review of the Seduction and Mastery CD set, by the Dating Wizard, Michael W. (http://www.thedatingwizard.com/)
Well over a year ago, I took a seminar through the Learning Annex in Toronto, with Michael W., also known as the "Dating Wizard."
I downloaded his e-book on dating and studied it very carefully. It had some great advice and was good for building a foundation for knowing how to approach and pick up women. I also attended his weekend seminar for personal instruction.
Then he recently released a set of CD's called "Seduction Mastery", and I obtained this and WOW! Meeting and dating women, took on a whole new life of its own. I went into high gear. Became a changed man when it came to women. I still can't believe it!
I want to share my experience with others, because I am sincerely appreciative of how my life has been changed by applying the principles and methods in the CD set. Guess what: When you get this stuff figured out, you realize how little competition there really is with other guys. You just have to be a little bit better at your game, that is all. There is so much stuff in the marketplace about Picking up women,and frankly, not all of it is good and I was fortunate to choose one that actually works. This guy knows of what he speaks, and the only way he could really know, is from field testing and hard research, in my humble opinion.
I should tell you something though that you will not likely want to hear: You actually have to go out and practice the methods. What is really amazing, is that they do work, if you will just try them. I know this, because believe me it took me a while to actually apply the techniques, even though I knew all the theory behind them. It takes guts to go up to a hot woman and stand your ground. Then it gets easier. Just treat it like a game…
Who gives a damn about the outcome….I really don't care! I just let it go where I choose it to go. Women will love you for it!
Here is one thing I found to be very important in the mindset : No woman is better than you, and you are no better than her. You are equal. Since that is the case, then why the problem in approaching her? Hope you get that, because it is key. And it does not matter how attractive she is…..she is just your equal! No more, no less.
I should mention here at this point, also that I am a regular guy, with average looks.
Here is what recently happened to me, and I still don't believe it. Why? Because prior to learning the information, this kind of stuff NEVER happened to me. And I do mean never! I was the nice, gentleman type guy. Take her out to dinner, buy gifts, expensive flowers. You know what that got me? A girlfriend that cheated on me. Yep, cos I was a boring and needy type of guy. I am almost embarrassed to admit this now, but it was true.
To further show how dumb I was, I tried to win her back, even after she did that to me…Can you believe that? (came to my senses after listening to the CD's over and over, and finally learned my lesson about staying away from low self-esteem women). So, now I was back in the dating game….but this time, I knew the rules for success!:
I walked into a club I have never been to before, and you know what it is like in a new environment. You have to get a feel for it. Bear in mind, I am not much of a club goer anyway, so if I did not like the vibe, I was going to split. Within 1 minute of entering the club, As I was walking toward the bar, a very attractive Blonde made eye contact with me and immediately said: "Hi!" Not me saying Hi, but HER! I said "Hello " back, and glanced and smiled and went and got my fave cocktail ordered at the Bar. I walk back after I got the drink and found her talking to some other Gentleman. I said Hello to her again, and hello to him as well, and she turned her body to face me and we all talked. The other guy, obviously annoyed that I had interrupted his banter, then made some remarks indirectly for me to get lost, and then to her quickly like:
"What do you like to do on a date?" (read: desperate) to her, hoping to grab her attention back. She basically ignored him and then asked ME if I would like to step outside with her as she wanted some fresh air. I put my drink down, with hers, and she asked the other guy to watch our drinks.
Boy, I could tell he was mad as heck with me. I did nothing but act calm and cool the whole time. To make a long story short, we spent the next 5 hours together! You got it. Danced, talked etc. She was in the top 5 attractive women in this club! Can you believe it? And with ME! And you know what; other women tried to hit on me that evening. That is right! I blew them off, cos I was with the best already. LOL.. I suggested we leave at about 1aam, I knew she had to get up for work at 6am!
(She had originally wanted to leave the club no later than 10 pm)
Now listen: I could see other guys in the club looking over, envious, and wondering what the heck does this guy have that I don't have. Believe it or not, a couple of guys even tried to chat her up, when I left to get drinks, etc.. and she brushed them right off. They just did not get it. Sadly, I observed most of them just leaning back against the wall like lost sheep, with no guts to even go ask a woman to dance. And there were many girls there that were sitting down, or talking in groups with friends. But what was really sad, was to see that they were doing this to themselves: they just did not have the knowledge: that is the only difference between them and me. I can say that, because without this knowledge, I would have been one of those guys!
May I also suggest being poorly dressed does not help! Do your best to look your best whatever your personal style may be.
Yes, I got her email, simply by asking for it and you can bet she wanted to make damn sure I had it! Called her up about a day later, (she had emailed me her phone number) we chatted, emailed, and then arranged a date with her. Note: I made all the decisions for pickup time, where and when, dining arrangements, etc..
We had an incredible date that lasted till the wee hours of the morning! Now, this is a classy woman, not some bimbo, so I respected her, and she appreciated that one quality woman is worth a hundred bimbo's in my books. And since then, I have met dozens of other attractive women, at the mall, in the bookstores, at clubs, coffee shops, and all with no pressure. This without any kind of pickup lines at all, just looking for an opportunity to comment on something. That is all.
So may I wish you all the greatest success. Remember, you must take action, all the reading and listening and watching books, CD's etc.. will not help otherwise.
And a special Thanks also to all the guys and gals in this community who have made information to us, and have walked the walk, and now are talking the talk.
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Baddvantage:
Reading The Map BEFORE You Drive....
I think that many principles get forgotten about and overlooked when guys discuss improving their success with women and dating, but the most important of them is the idea of knowing what you want BEFORE you attempt to achieve it.
With so many message boards, seminars, various renowned pick-up artists, and DVD programs, we typically get so wrapped up in the newest techniques to pick-up women, conversation skills, inner game improvement, approaching pick-up lines, etc., that we never stop and think about what we really want from women, individually.
Is it a long-term relationship? Do we want one-night stands? Fuck-buddies? A simple large circle of female friends? Just a collection of phone numbers to prove to yourself that you can do it? Many men forget to ask themselves this, or if they do, then some of us forget our own answer as time goes on. Before you know it, you are out "sarging", talking to women, trying to get phone numbers and e-mails, but you don't even know what your going to do with them if you get them.
You would assume, of course, that you would contact the women who's information you get, but I have found that without really knowing what you want from women, you cannot communicate as smoothly with them while talking to them. It may still result in immediate success, like getting their phone number in a generally positive interaction, but more often than not, the woman can feel that you are not completely congruent within yourself.
If you want sex from a woman, and you know how to talk to her in a sexual way right from the start without being offensive, then she will clearly know your intentions, which is not a bad thing. If you want to just have a girl to party with, that will be conveyed in your approaches and body language.
The problem with NOT knowing ahead of time what you really want, is that you don't know exactly from what state you are approaching from. If you don't know what state you are approaching from, then she might think you are conveying a vibe of being a cool friend and nothing more, when in your mind, you're really looking for an LTR.
Knowing your own intentions, however, will allow you to implement them in your interactions with women, without just coming out and telling her. Of course, finding the right way to communicate depending on what your intentions are, is an entire process of its own. But you don't want to talk to a woman in a way that will make her want you sexually right away, if it is a long term relationship that you are after. You will not end up getting what you want, in the end.
I know, as well as you do, that nothing is 100% the same every time in anything. And if you are pretty good and experienced in this subject, you can do anything around women and have it mean whatever you want. But for the less experienced PUA, you have to have your own road map in mind first. You wouldn't get in your car and just drive, without knowing where you are going. And if you DID know you where you were going, you probably would still not start driving unless you were sure you knew HOW to get there. It's the same way in your interactions with people - know what it is you want to get out of it BEFORE you even begin.
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PROMOS & REVIEWS SECTION (there are NO paid ads in this list and never have been. The "commercial" section is distinguished by the "--------------" separators):
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LAIR SECTION (Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at http://dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at http://www.bristollair.com, as well as at http://www.seductionlair.com:
A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/
LAIR GROUP
If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. http://www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com
Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here http://lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers. Join this group (http://lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (http://www.lairlist.com/).
HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Lair meetings are scheduled for Sundays at 8 pm and the next Lair meeting will be Sunday January 21. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings.
The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.
Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):
MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.
THE TORONTO LAIR
The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at http://www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.
Vancouver Social Board
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE:
I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporatically for sarging and for schedualed meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com .
AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: http://www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PORTLAND, MAINE
I'm starting a lair in Portland, Maine so we can truly be "the way life should be"!
Starting with a dozen AFCs & PUAs and looking to grow and share our skills.
Send email to magickman@maine.rr.com if you wish to join.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.
SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.
EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/
ISRAEL LAIR:
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to http://www.tironut69.com/"> http://www.tironut69.com
DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is http://wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to SARGE regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at http://dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.dutchseduction.com/"> http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at http://dutchseduction.com/"> DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.dutchseduction.com/"> http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/ or http://www.dallasseductionlair.com/"> http://www.DallasSeductionLair.com
DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum ( http://www.dallaspua.com/forum"> http://www.dallaspua.com/forum ), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to http://www.dallaspua.com/"> http://www.DallasPua.com
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night , 10PM in Norwich
City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ http://www.nyclair.com/"> http://www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We SARGE regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com/"> http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com/"> http://www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & SARGE, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and SARGE 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
We have totally renovated our new lair for Connecticut, NY, and other Northeasterns. Please check out our new link:
http://www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=2
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
ATLANTA LAIR:
Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will SARGE from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous SARGE outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com
HOUSTON:
http://www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
Turning KJs into Active PUA
Members meet twice weekly with approximately 200+ registered members. Currently run mini study groups on Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Juggler, SS. We usually meet out in the field and streets so there is plenty of field practice. Our Sarge-Fest is a great learning night for newbies where some of Australias best PUA coach you to improve your game. We also organize other activities such as Salsa dance nights for our members and we encourage our members to contribute back to the community to help it grow. The lair currently runs its own forum so come join this active lair.
Contact iceman at melb.lair.autoreply@gmail.com. See http://Melb-Lair.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who SARGE regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/)
Real Social Dynamics has just launched its new website, forum communities, and Foundations DVD/CD set. This is the most comprehensive program they've delivered at a seminar and they were fortunate to have recorded it as well. Visitors can check out the new forum or get the new Foundations home study course at http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is http://www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://affiliates.mysterymethod.com/z/28/CD32 and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
http://affiliates.mysterymethod.com/z/28/CD32
Tenmagnet is doing Mystery Method workshops in Toronto and Montreal.
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DJ: Upcoming 2 day inner game and storytelling programs:
This program focuses on how to take experiences from your life and convey them in an attractive, fun, and seductive way and incorporates everything from voice projection exercises to hypnotic language structures to deep inner work on who you are and what you want to convey. The first day is inner game intensive while the second day focuses on the mechanics of storytelling for a truly *complete* experience I've received so many requests to build in some of the "old school" material on value elicitation and creating a rapport that invites her to open up to you, that I've decided to build it into this program. There will be a special section on moving from flash attraction to true connection. Please contact me for a flier with more details!
I’m offering special discounts for these programs so please email me for details at dj_seminar@yahoo.com ...
I hope everyone is well and I look forward to hearing from you. Feel free to drop a line to say hello…
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DR. PAUL SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
All of you reading this are familiar with the notion of "pickup" and the
idea of a "boot camp." You might wonder why the work I do takes a different
angle. As a board certified psychiatrist and long time men's counselor I
think it's great for people to take a hands-on approach to their dating
life. When I started giving seminars based on my books and ideas I made
sure to include an innovative live coaching format that takes the best of
real science and combines it with a street smart team.
Two of the things you may have encountered from me are MindOST and
DatingOST. The "OS" stands for Operating System. These teach you the
reality underneath human courtship and character strength. If you want to
learn the method-behind-the-method (why different things work for different
people), and see exactly how your personality fits into this mix, then stop
paying guys to learn what amounts to "what works for them."
There is way too much to say about how the REAL you inside effects your
ability to attract great women. You can learn much more than a "skill set."
When you develop your natural character you have what I call Seventh SenseT.
Everything about your maturity, emotional energy and self esteem are
reflected in all aspects of courtship. I'll try not to dork out on you too
much, but you have to get this to understand what I do:
Do you want to see in CONCRETE terms the exact fundamental quality of male
attraction? Find out the secret that made one student call my program "The
Armageddon Of Seminars!"
What would you do with an easy to use system of personality profiling? When
you can assess compatibility in seconds, you know exactly how to connect
with women. The format you can learn for this is called called King,
Warrior, Magician, Lover (KWML). I've trained a team of coaches who are not
only great with the ladies, but are also clear examples of these archetypes.
They'll help you discover your own fit and also show you how to spot a girls
profile from a mile away.
There is a lot of talk about CHARACTER floating around these days. Good.
Even some trainers with bad reputations are coming around, and even that
benefits men more than nothing at all. I applaud this. Yet if you want more
than vague notions of what character means, then you need MindOS. It is
your access to the only patented technology of character building, even
within my professional field.
It's not enough to have lists of qualities like confidence, maturity,
courage, etc, such as my MD colleagues in the "Positive Psychology
Movement," "Human Potential Movement," "systems theorists" and others use.
You need to see how the parts of our mind fit together as a SYSTEM to form
your identity. You only have a few choices on how to tackle this: a.) Let
a layman less well-read than you repeat stuff from books you've already
read, back at you, b.) take a decade or more of schooling and professional
training, or c.) have a medical professional guide you. The choice is
yours.
Can you give up the idea of a quick fix? Many trainers stop at "getting
laid." In reality, that's only the beginning. You can learn not only how
to meet and attract women, but also develop real friendship and durable
connection over time. Instead of learning to cheat the system, you can
actually grow and WIN for yourself. BE the system. When you do this it
touches every aspect of your life, including not only dating but also your
career, family life and social circle.
Don't aspire to being an oversexed train-wreck of a man! Aim higher at
www. http://http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/?af=531857/"> http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm ."
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The new technology (DatingOS) Dr. Paul is unleashing on the world completely explains what your hangups are, not only in "hooking up" or "approaching," but through the dating process and deep into relationships. This doesn't exist anywhere else, nor will it, because Dr Paul has gone through twenty years of both psychiatric clinical training, seen 15,000 patients with problems of both a "dating" nature, AND comprehensively solves deep problems that people have with sexual attraction, commitment, marriage, breakups, relationships, trauma, depression, anxiety disorders, ADD, OCD, career complications, cheating and betrayal.
If you want permanent RESULTS, you may need some real science, and the same fun time you have at other seminars of course, with more mastery of ALL psychology of dating—INNER GAME, OUTER GAME, and never before seen PROFILING of women for perfect fit to your personality.
So far, DatingOS has only been available in person, at seminars in the heart of the city of SINGLES, in summertime after a bitter winter has all females in a frenzy of cabin fever. See http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm
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Herbal has started a new web site called "Tynan's Angels" where three of his beautiful female friends dispense pickup, dating, and sex advice every day. For more information, visit the site at http://www.tynansangels.com/"> http://www.tynansangels.com
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Brian has a network of sites at http://bogdock.com/ and in there he has launched a dating site, http://www.fullcontactdating.com/
which he generously has included a page for Cliff's List at:
http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/cliffs-list/
which you should visit! As a reward for visiting Brian's site, you can get a F R E E copy of his new e-book which can be downloaded from:
http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/btp/
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Dear fellow PUAs,
Probably you've heard that this year's EuroSummit will be held in London. After last year's awesome success in Vienna, we decided to take it to the
next level. In London, the nerve centre of Europe, we are getting ready to rock the world.
If have some PU experience and ready to travel, come join us, and take part in our celebration of the fairer sex. During these 3 days and 3 nights of sarging, you can meet some of the best PUAs and most beautiful girls in Europe, and you can also hold your speech if you'd like to.
Please write us that you'd like to join us in London provided all the people come you'd want to see.
It's a survey until we finish the site. You by NO MEANS will have an obligation to us, nor will your name be displayed on the EuroSummit site.
For advanced PUAs:
Please also tell us if you'd like to hold a speech, and of which topic. We'll schedule it then, but the final schedule will depend on the other speakers, too.
And after you send a pre-application, we'll send you the list of people who already signed up.
Please send your email to redpriest_hu@yahoo.com , with the subject "Euro Summit"
Thank you,
RedPriest
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Derek Vitalio:
Seduction Science Live In-Field Workshops!
The fact is, only by MODELING the very best can you achieve the very best. In a Seduction Science workshop, you'll meet and train with master coach McMaax who will take you to unique hot spots all over a particular city for meeting the most attractive, beautiful women. Your coach will demonstrate their skills and explain, teach, and show you how to interact with women at a club and on the street.
With a coach, you'll find an immediate shift in your skills and understanding with women as you see what it takes demoed live and right in front of you. And there's no reason to take the long and hard path or reinvent the wheel. After making hundreds of approaches, we've learned what works and what doesn't. We'll show you exactly how it's done and save you months, if not years of time.
You'll never have to go back to feeling lonely or lost and live passionately once again. Reserve your place as soon as possible (placing is limited!) so that you're guaranteed a spot.
For more information on the full workshop schedule visit: http://www.seductionscience.com/
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at http://www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (http://www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!
Look for more details soon, or call Dr. Yates at 903-482-1034. Price is $1,195. This seminar is ONLY open to those who own a Speed Seduction Home Study Course so you better hop on line and buy one now if you don't already have one and plan on attending.
Speed Seduction Seminars
Schedule 2006
Finished for 2006
Speed Life Seminars
Finished for 2006
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Finished for 2006
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Major Mark (http://www.trucor.com):
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to http://www.trucor.com
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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: http://doubleyourdating.com/
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Spirit (Founder of The National Player's Lair):
Attract and Seduce Women by being 'who you are' and join The National Player's Lair for FREE! The lair is now OPEN to anyone interested in getting beautiful women to your front doorstep in an instant! Act soon because we WILL be closing our open invitation very soon and only allowing a select few to join with us! Look forward to meeting you! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theplayerslair/
Spiritual Seduction Forums - Get your dream girl now. Awaken your inner seductive powers here.
http://www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=1
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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality
A home study course by David Shade http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out at http://www.masterful-lover.com/ebook.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at http://www.masterful-lover.com/ebook.html. Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
http://www.masterful-lover.com/ebook.html
"The Seduction End-Game"
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Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer (http://www.seduceandconquer.com/seducewomen) CD disks present Payton's unique, dynamic style of meeting and seducing women. His methods are very natural and are the epitome of the original advice you get - tease and take away, play hard to get, etc. Definitely worth checking out, but not for everyone.
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Allow me to Re-Introduce Myself......
It looks like the buzz has begun. People are starting to
ask questions.
Check this post I found on fast seduction:
On 6/23/06 1:05:00 AM, T wrote:
>I've been getting some e-mails
>by will from DYD. I was
>wondering if anyone knows his
>style of game or if anyone has
>had coaching from him.
To clarify, I think you mean Will H. from the many
DYD programs, though he doesnt actually work for
DYD.
Anyway, having met and hung out with Will many
times in person, he is one of the coolest, most laid
back and funny people I have ever met.
He is also one of the top guys for approaching that
I have ever seen. I have only seen him get a bad
reaction once, and he was going for that on purpose
so that he could turn it around later (which he did
and number closed the girl).
He came to Boston last summer for an event called
the 'Supermodel Tour' and between him and me,
we number closed all the finalists, even though
there was competition there from New England
Patriot football players :-)
Formhandle and I also hung out with him in
Montreal, and to this day keep recalling some of
the cool approaches he did on the street there.
I dont know if he is still doing private bootcamps,
but a friend of ours here in Boston took one, and
met a girl during the bootcamp that he is still dating
now almost a year later, so the results there speak
for themselves.
Other major strengths he has is club game (setting
up the club, etc.), managing multiple women (he
probably has at least 10 going himself at any one
time) and critiquing your overall style and wardrobe.
TokyoPUA
Thanks TokyoPUA.
It's nice to hear guys saying such positive things about
you and the work you do.
(My clients love me even more. :)
Between 'Managing' my VERY active social life, and
trying to put some stuff together for you, I have to tell
you I'm SLAMMED.
(I might have to 'cut loose' some of my ladies)
Seriously, I barely have enough time to watch TV
anymore. Not that I'm complaining because It's really
cool to get emails from my subscribers.
(this is ALL new to me)
I've been getting a LOT of emails from guys interested
in learning more, thing is, I don't have anything to sell
you!
However, If enough of you are interested, then I'd
consider doing a group phone coaching thing, or even
a BOOTCAMP.
If you missed the other email with the download link
to the Mp3 file of my interview, you can get the recording
here. no strings attached:
http://www.youaresoinmyway.com/will_interview.html
Dave M. gave me a heavy arm twisting and made me
spill the beans about some of my newest dating tricks
and tips.
(The tip about the TEXT message is a Will Daddy CLASSIC!)
NOTE: I may be taking the call down shortly because
I'm a bit nervous about guys knowing these dating tips
and secrets - so this is not a made-up scarcity motivator) :)
Good stuff, no charge. Here it is:
http://www.youaresoinmyway.com/will_interview.html
Now go meet some women!
Will
P.S. I'll be taking this one down in a day or so. It's
best to go ahead and watch it now.
P.P.S. GOT DATING QUESTIONS?
I've got answers. Send em' to me at:
will@youaresoinmyway.com
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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out http://www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on SARGEs, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA