If you were ever to put that thing on my shoulder

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Milachku:

Hey guys... well I'm proud of myself here because this pick up was done under interesting circumstances. Here goes..

I'm on MSN last Tuesday night when a girl whom I tried picking up (which didn't work out) contacted me at night. She wanted to go to Cafe Campus. I had made mistakes trying to seduce her so I decided to turn her into a pivot and friend. So I agree to join her.

We get inside and start people-watching together. I notice a cute girl with her friends and mention it to my pivot. She tells me "Go get her number! 'Was she serious or testing me? Who knows? But I still went and ran my standard opener.

Although there were about 4-5 people in that group, only 2 of the girls heard what I said so I engaged just those 2. This was a mistake as you will see.

As I'm running game on them, things are going quite smoothly when one of the girls who I hadn't talked to yet comes up to me and starts talking shit to me. I tried my best to diffuse it but it just turned into a pissing contest. In the end I shot her down pretty hard with some pretty good lines and walked off.

I'm feeling like crap cuz the reality is that I don't like confrontation like this. I like to make love, not war. So I'm upstairs leaning on the ledge just looking off onto the dance floor below when this petite girl with these full, perky, scrumptious tits (let's call her HBscrumptioustits) stands right next to me. In the past I would have been intimidated by a girl who is showing off her nice chest, but this time I had the game to handle it properly.

I have learned that if a woman is *comfortable* enough to come stand or sit next to you anywhere, especially if she is *alone* and it's *not crowded*, then just assume it's proximity. I just look at her to see what I can work with and notice her necklace that is of a big spider. Now I'm actually scared of spiders so I'm actually gonna go somewhere with the opener I decide to use…

So my opener here was "That's a very nice necklace." What's that? I used a... compliment opener??? Well from what I know, when a woman has herself standing next to a guy waiting to be opened, it's as if she is putting herself on the line. And if I don't open her then she will feel rejected. So I have to reward her good behaviour. Sure enough she tells me thanks with a big smile. Turns out it’s a one of a kind piece so my noticing won me points. I then tell her "I shouldn't be telling you this... but I don't like spiders. And so... if you were ever to put that thing on my shoulder just *before I woke up in the morning* then it would really scare me." She got the hint...

I'm now engaging her in a discussion and whatever she tells me I use that info and run my routines or patterns that would fit in to what she would tell me and mixing in some light C&F. I also ran those IN10SE techs I mentioned in a recent Cliff List email. I get her to tell me about actors she finds attractive, times when she is comfortable with friends and about her ideal romantic getaways. As she is talking about these things I pay attention to her gestures, etc. Then I would repeat back to her what she was saying as well as mirroring her gestures that she put emphasis on.

It gets a little sexual so I tell her that I would rather not talk about sex unless I know that I'm gonna share something with that person. I felt like she was trying to control me with sex here as opposed to genuinely trying to turn me on in order for something to happen - a test basically. She was a bit surprised and now tells me she really likes talking to me as usually she stops talking to people after about 2 - 3 minutes because most people end up boring or annoying her. I took it as a compliment and start initiating kino to which she was very receptive.

It's happened plenty of times where a girl and I will be teasing back and forth (I'm gonna have to spank you for that, etc.) but in the end it didn't go anywhere because the girl simply got her validation out of the sex talk and didn't need for it to escalate anymore. I've talked to Brad P at the last Cliff’s List Convention and he likes to use sexual talk early on in an interaction in order to screen out women, but yet he still maintains his power. So it's still a field where I need to work on...

I do my typical qualifying thing, SOI and comfort building stuff. For qualifying I now follow what Swinggcat says in that I will simply make comments about the things I like in life and in a woman. If she is into you she will agree and will describe herself in the same light. I run the Juggler SOI to make sure she realizes this ain't gonna be platonic. And the comfort stuff is more about easy going stories in my life.

As things are heating up... cue in my pivot! So I introduce my pivot to HBscrumptioustits and they got along. My pivot also whispers something in her ear which I later found out that she told HBscrumptioustits that I'm a great guy. The timing here couldn't have been better. Guys, get yourself a hot pivot or two and follow what Will said at the first Cliff's List Convention.

I ask her who she came with and she tells me she is with... 9 GUYS! A girl came with 9 guys here and I end up picking her up. LOL!

Anyway, at some point I just lean in and start kissing her. Going back and forth from kissing and talking to her. In general you should only go for a kiss in a club after you have done solid game in order to avoid the next day buyer's remorse. I feel that it should also be this way even if you see her BT is thru the roof and the chance for a full close that night is highly probable.

I notice it's really heating up and now I'm worried about buyer's remorse. So I tell her "For some reason, I'm afraid I will never end up seeing you again after tonight. I mean it's like I think you are a really cool person and I can't believe we met at a club of all places! I would like to talk to you again. And don't you find it funny that although we are holding each other and kissing here tonight that the next time we meet we'll often be cold and aloof." She laughed and said she knew exactly what I was talking about. She also told me about her past relationship issues so I also take the time to elicit her values on relationships and reflect back stories from my life that echo what she said as well as repeating back her trance words. Damage control taken care of.

It's closing soon and I offered to take her home as I wanted to see her get home *safely*. I see my pivot also met a guy. So in front of my HB, I tell this guy "You gonna make sure she gets home safe, right?" said in a very serious voice. He stuttered and said yes. I find out later that he was too afraid to try anything on my pivot.. lol. Guess I scared him. I think this looked very alpha in front of my HB.

I bring her home in my car while running some more of my routines. We get to her place and start making out some more. Now the windows of the car are steaming up cuz it's getting so hot in here. And of course being the dog that I am I am trying to push it farther and she is telling me to slow down. I do 2 steps forward, one step back. Again I'm worried about the buyer's remorse and tell her about how I really wanna talk to her again. This is where she gives me one of her little pinky rings to keep until the next time we meet. That gave me alot of relief... We said goodbye and agreed to meet on Friday.

Day 2: She agrees to come over and watch me make dinner. I get her talking while I'm cooking. Eventually I get her to talk about what specifically in her past relationships got her very turned on by her man. I figured I could do this now as enough comfort was built. (Earlier I just asked her to describe her most romantic get-away that turned her on.) What ever she told me I would repeat back to her and while mirroring the specific gestures, head and eye movements. You'd think they'd catch on... but they don't! I would also repeat her trance words and self point. (After I laid her she said that this specific convo we had was one of her favorite times with me.)

We eat, drink and I show her vids on my computer again. The usual stuff I do at my house. I take her to my bed... and this time.. there was LMR... oh yes... there was LMR. Watch the Mystery Method DVDs near the end where he covers LMR tactics. Although I didn't do them perfectly, it still got me to third base but no lay. But the most important thing here was that I maintained my frame control in the end game.  Whatever you decide to do to handle LMR, it should still be congruent to who you are.

We get dressed and I take her to Newtown (a club in Montreal) where Carl Wiuff (Canadian singer coming out with a new album) was performing. There was a big ass line up... but one of the promoters is a best friend of mine so my girl and I got in pretty quick. Not only that, but we got into the VIP section with bottle service along with Carl Wiuff himself. Can you say.. D-H-V??? Lesson here: make friends with high status people like promoters.

I was just in the zone here going natural and not having to run my routines but I do remember one thing. My girl asks "When I'm with a guy, I'm like a nympho. I need sex everyday non stop..." I'm thinking to myself that this is a........ TEST! She's trying to see if A. She can control me and B. She is also worried that because I'm so high value now that she may not be able to keep me. I handled A. by telling her that my life is just too busy to see her everyday but I didn't handle B. properly here despite doing some vulnerability routines earlier. She did ask me how long will I wait to expect sex. I told simply by the third date. She was a bit shocked at that as I said it with a pretty straight and direct facial expression like I meant it.

After the club we go for a drive to the top of Mont-Royal (the mountain in the center of Montreal with a great view)... and AGAIN the LMR. This time she wanted me to finger her to get her off. So I tell her "if I'm gonna get you off with my fingers then you gotta get me off with your mouth.. and swallow." Before she told me she doesn't swallow.... but she did this time! Guys.... frame control! Then she tells me... "Well, I would normally think this was just our first date (implying that our first meet wasn't a date) but that now she might consider it our second thus making our next date our third...."  The next day I send her a message telling her “You rocked my world… and it was without sex. Ok, I'm impressed.” She replies telling me that we have both sexual and non-sexual chemistry.

We texted each other over the next few days. At one point she tells me that she is lingerie shopping and asks whether I want to consider our next date as our 2nd or 3rd. I figure she is trying to tease me here so I tell her that unless the lingerie she has is hot then I will consider it only as our 1st. She tells me that I shouldn't expect to see the lingerie at all the next time we meet. So now I KNOW she is trying to use a bit of sexuality to control me and is trying to see if I'm congruent with what I told her earlier…

I tell her that I already told her that I don't like to be teased that way and that it's the last time I'm gonna tell her this. She replied that she was only kidding around. I responded that it was just a misunderstanding cuz it's hard to know when someone is joking thru text or on messenger. Was I bit harsh? Maybe, but I told her earlier that I'm an emotional person... which means that there will never be boredom.

Before we meet next I reviewed Mystery's LMR tactics. The one I really decided to use was the "You hijacked my brain" routine. Now I don't like using other people's materials word for word but rather like to take the concepts and make something that comes from me, but this routine is very powerful as it really addresses her emotional need relating to her fear of abandonment, as Brother Kermit describes.

We meet and hang out at bar and start chatting a bit, then after we start drinking I ran the hijack routine and it worked like a charm. We bounce to a lounge and chatted some more. Then we just hop back into my car and head back to my place. To my surprise... there was no LMR and also.... she was really WET down there unlike the last 2-3 times I touched her. Hmmm... But this time... I made her BEG for the sex like the little slut that she is. Yeah.. it gets them hot, alright.

Wow... 3 in this month of February as compared to 3 in all the year of 2006. I feel like I'm improving here. And now I think I'm gonna make 2 of these girls (a girl I met in a parking lot and this HBscrumptioustits) as part of my first real MLTR. Better read up on some of that harem management...

p.s. Some of you may have noticed or wondered how was it that this girl actually felt comfortable standing next to me while I was giving off a bad vibe due to the bad interaction I had earlier when at club. So I asked her and she told me... that earlier that night some of those 9 guys she was with tried hitting on her and one tried to kiss her so she really got pissed off and left them. So she was pissed off as well when she came to stand next to me... Guess misery loves company! But, I also figure that despite feeling bad I still walked confidently with my head up, etc.

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Baddvantage:

TALKING TO EMOTIONS

I want to take this opportunity to talk about a concept that is widely overlooked when we talk about communicating with women.  We always are asking for good lines, conversation topics, body posture tips, where to meet women, and a host of other important things. 

But something that often gets forgotten about is something I call “talking to emotions”.  What this means is the particular way in which you develop sentences when talking to women that will make them feel a much more emotional reaction on the inside.  I don't mean WHAT you are talking about, because it could really be anything at all, but it's HOW you talk about it.  You can be talking to a woman, and describe the same event, or story, in a few different ways, and each different way will drastically change the way you make her feel as you are talking to her.

This idea that I am talking about is mostly used when talking to women on-line, because talking on-line gives you time to think about what you are going to say, and how to word it just right, and it also gives her the time to read, and re-read what you wrote at her own pace, letting each different word slowly sink in and pull on her emotional strings.  This concept, however, can and SHOULD be used ANYTIME that you are talking to a woman, whether it is by e-mail, phone, or in person…..even morse code, too.

What I am going to do is share a few excerpts from a story that a friend of mine wrote.  This friend is an excellent writer, not just because of the ideas for the stories, but for the ways they are presented.  I'm going to assume that most men DO NOT naturally speak in tongue in the same fashion that this story is written, so I am going to present a topic, and show you what most normal guys would say to describe it, and then show how my talented writing friend described the same event.

EXAMPLE 1:  “Amanda lay on the bed, sleeping.  Her hair was kinda messy, and it looked pretty hot.”

NOW TRY THIS:  “Amanda’s face looked soft and innocent; a dark strand of hair fell across her face, stark in contrast to her pale skin.”

Essentially, the same information was given in both statements, but I'm sure you can see the difference between the two.  One of them just told you the information, but the other one made it much easier to picture the setting in your mind.  The use of certain words like “soft”, and “dark strand” don't just come naturally to us as we are speaking, or typing (unless you’re a pretty good writer).  What exactly is a “soft face anyway?  Is there such a thing as a “hard face”?  It takes some thinking outside the box to be able to think of those things to say.  Here’s another one:

EXAMPLE 2:  “She had always kind of liked Lynn, anyway, but now that she had showered, put on some new clothes, and had her hair done up nice, she thought she looked great.”

NOW TRY THIS:  “She'd always thought Lynn had been good looking, but she looked even better now, clean and pretty.  Her dark hair shone under the fluorescent lights, making it look soft and shiny.  Amanda had to resist the urge to run her fingers through it.”

The second statement really makes you FEEL what’s going on.  You don't even know what the character looks like, but you can already see in your mind how pretty she looks.  The whole setting just breathes a good vibe….ESPECIALLY to women.  Saying things like “dark hair shone” and “soft and shiny” and “resist the urge to run her fingers through it”….those kinds of lines can make women feel a much higher emotional attachment to the situation, than if you just blandly and basically describe the situation directly.

LAST EXAMPLE:  “They went slow this time, and it was all kisses and moans and soft touches.  Amanda kissed a trail down Lynn’s neck, across her stomach, and then even lower.  Lynn gasped and tangled her fingers in Amanda’s dark brown hair, arching off the bed.  And then the older woman’s fingers were sliding along the inside of Amanda’s thigh, finding their goal and working purposefully.  Amanda groaned into the kiss, and Lynn pressed harder, pushed her fingers in deeper.  They moved together, twisting beneath the white, cotton sheets.”

Now, first of all, I'm not going to even bother TRYING to adapt that situation into how a normal guy would explain it.  I'm sure you can see for yourself WHY that paragraph would invoke a strong emotion inside a woman.  Hell, it invokes a strong emotional reaction out of ME. 

The thing you notice, is how every movement is described in a very sensual and physical manner.  Certain words simply make a story sexier.  “Sliding” is better than “moving”.  “Tangled” is better than “grabbed”.  “Kissed a trail down her neck” is better than “kissed along her neck”.  See what I'm getting at here?  This is the kind of thing you see in women’s romance novels.  Women like romance novels, and now you see why.  They read this kind of language and can actually SEE the women making love.  They can visualize the soft touches and the sliding fingers and the tangling of hair.  And just getting a clear picture of that stuff, while reading or listening to a soothing story, invokes an emotion that most men NEVER are able to get out of a women. 

Now of course, most men are not gifted writers.  And I don't expect every guy to instantly transform into Don Juan overnight.  But if you even thumb through a romance novel, just to see examples of this kind of writing, you will get a better idea of how to speak to women in a way that will spark her emotions.  This is a GREAT advantage to have, because you could be talking about something that does not involve you AT ALL, but if you are able to use words and describe things in a way that will make her imagine them in a deep, sensual way, she will have a great feeling while listening to you talk. 

Emotion is a drug, and like other drugs, it is addicting.  If you experience an emotion you enjoy, while you are doing something….you are going to do that something again, to experience the emotion again.  She will want to be in your presence now, more and more, if for no other reason than the fact that you sparked an awesome thing inside of her with your ability to tell a story.  Obviously you aren't going to meet a woman in a coffee shop and start talking about women making love on a bed (or maybe you will), but this concept can really be applied to ANYTHING you are talking about. 

Go ahead and read a few stories, just to get a grasp of the kinds of words to use.  There are also some PUA out there who specialize in this topic, primarily applying it to meeting women on the Internet.  Imagine a woman e-mails you and asks you what you do, and you reply by describing your job in a manner somewhat like the one I just showed you.  It is HIGHLY likely that she will want to meet you after she reads that.  First of all, most men don't know how to communicate in that sexually appetizing style.  And secondly, she is thinking that if you know how to TALK in a sensual, sexually attractive way, that you probably also know how to ACT in a sensual, sexually attractive way.

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Scot McKay, X & Y Communications (www.thechickwhisperer.com): 
HOW MEN AND WOMEN TRY TO TRICK EACH OTHER

What is the most infamous male stereotype when it comes to dating? Certainly the one about men trying every
trick in the book to get a woman to sleep with him has to head the list. No need to elaborate.

The truth is, however, that men don't necessarily have the market cornered when it comes to keeping their
intentions under the table. Women are quite capable of their fair share. My belief is that the most common
brand of dating trickery proffered by women tends to fly under the radar a bit easier, however, and therefore is
hardly ever (if at all) called out. Since women are a bit more subtle about all of this, I'm going to focus
the majority of this post on understanding their side of the equation. After all, male trickery is altogether
too obvious...which continues to amaze me at how often women fall for it.

So what about the women? What do I mean?

Here it is. Just like men try to trick women into sleeping with them as early as possible in the
relationship, women tend to try to trick men into exclusive commitment way to early.

It’s absolutely true.

And a woman has the ability to equip herself with a formidable set of tools when it comes to this stuff.
Just like a woman can find herself in a man’s bed and wonder how she got there, a man can very easily find
himself in an exclusive relationship he may not have been ready for--and with a woman who may not even have
been his first choice!

How does she do this? Here are some examples of the tactics involved:

1) The Ultimatum

This is the most objective approach. If a woman knows the man is interested, she will simply level an
ultimatum. This may happen as soon as the woman realizes the man wants her sexually. In this case, the
woman pulls every option off the table other than committing to her or walking away. This is unfair, of
course, because it plays on a man’s physical attraction in order to drive emotional involvement.

2) Extended Planning

She'll buy tickets for a concert that’s a month away. She'll invite him to join her for some killer party
that’s a few weeks (or months?) off. If she can get him to make some financial “buy in” (e.g. ticket price,
renting a tux, etc.) then he'll be more likely to stay around. In fact, the concept of commitment based on
financial involvement is a well-known marketing principle. Here, as in so many facets of dating, sales
tactics translate directly into relationship strategy. Watch for a future newsletter (or how about a podcast?)
on that one.

3) Common Secondary Commitments

This is something like “Extended Planning”, but with a subtle difference. Here we are talking about ongoing
partnerships rather than one-time events. She may sign them both up for six weeks of salsa lessons. They may
join a dinner party group with other couples knowing that it would be a major embarrassment to have to sever ties
in the event of a breakup. If she’s really astute, she'll buy them season tickets for his favorite team...
nice.

4) Marking Territory

As soon as a man invites a woman into his private domain, he opens himself up to the female ritual of “territory
marking”. If she’s hanging out at his house and riding in his car, bear in mind the possibility that she may be
interested in staking her claim to those places vis-à-vis other women in his life. Most of us know about the
“perfume on the pillow” trick, where a woman sprays her perfume on a guy’s pillow so he can “think of her” when
he’s sleeping. But that’s just one of a myriad of ways that a woman can make it improbable, if not impossible,
that another woman would feel comfortable in his home or car.

She can leave a change of clothes on his dresser, "just in case". She can change shoes in his car and “accidentally”
leave them behind the passenger’s seat in the back. She can smear makeup in places he may not notice but another woman
would be sure to. She can brush her hair in the bathroom, all but making sure strands of her hair land in places where
other women might notice. And my all time favorite - she might “forget” and leave her earrings on the end table in
the living room (or some other place you'll never see until the next time guests are over).

Whatever happens, you can be sure if it’s done right most guys will be potentially horrified to invite other women
over (although they shouldn't be, which is another topic in its own right).

5) Key Introductions

He is introduced to all of her friends. He may even meet her parents, feeling like he’s suffered whiplash given how
sudden it was. She may even--if she’s mastered the tactic--proactively seek to make friends with his friends. This is
a particularly powerful approach that, if successful, means she has all but inextricably woven herself into his life.
If he ever tries to break up with her, imagine the effect of his own friends calling him out telling him how wrong he
is. Any man who has his choice of great women to an advanced degree knows all too well what it's like to have his male
friends encourage him to "settle" for a woman whom most of them would have been happy with. This can get out of hand
all too quickly.

6) Gifts

She may buy the guy something nice. Depending upon the limits of her personal resources, we may be talking about
something really nice. Guys famously tend to use this tactic on women, thinking that they can buy their way into a woman’s
heart. Well, when a guy does something like this it generally backfires. Some women are creeped out by it, some women refuse
nice gifts seeing potential ulterior motives behind them, and others simply take the gifts and offer only a “thank you” in
return.

The interesting part, however, is that a woman who knows how men think with regard to this process can capitalize upon it to
drive commitment from a man. Think about it - a man attempts to barrage a woman with gifts because he thinks it will help earn
her affections. Why does he think like this? Simple. Because it makes sense to the male mind. If a woman realizes this, she
knows she has an angle with which she can get him to commit.

The problem is that although gift-giving works on a man, it’s not for the expected reason. Rather than driving a warm fuzzy
nesting reflex, it just flat-out makes him feel guilty if he dumps her after getting such cool stuff from her. Many of us
as men have been conditioned to be too "nice", and once again it comes back to bite us where it counts.

So what’s the common thread here? Not surprisingly, the end result is likely to be the same for tricksters of both the male
and female persuasion. In either case, if the end goal is reached it’s nothing more than an empty, Pyrrhic victory.

The moral to this story? Save the tricks, be up-front, take things at a mutually-acceptable pace...and have a symmetrical
relationship based on depth and respect rather than guilt or pressure.

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PROMOS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & REVIEWS SECTION
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LAIR SECTION
(Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women).  More Lair Listings can be found at dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at www.bristollair.com, as well as at www.seductionlair.com:

A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running.  You can also go to: groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/

LAIR GROUP
If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. www.LairList.com  Contact: LairList@LairList.com
Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers.  Join this group (lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (www.lairlist.com/).

HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Lair meetings are scheduled currently once a month on Sundays.  The next Lair meeting will be at 5:00 p.m. on Sunday, March 18th.  For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me.  Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. 

The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women.  If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones. 

Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):

MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.

NEW FRENCH MONTREAL LAIR FORMED
Good news! Montreal has now a FRENCH Lair! Oui!  Ever wanted to be part of a lair without having to learn another language?
- A lair which would offer you support
- A lair which would allow you to find new wingman
- A lair where you would be able to learn
- A lair where you would be able to share
- A lair which would offer occassions to sarge
- A lair where you would be able to conquer your fear
- A lair which would allow you to become a better PUA 100 times faster
And all that in FRENCH!  Now is your chance! We've just opened our forum located at www.seduire.ca , registration are free. You can also apply to become a Montreal VIP which will offer you the possibility to be part of the best French PUA Team in Montreal. We also have a section dedicated to people of Quebec City cause we love you :)   Note that the sooner you become part of our family, the sooner you'll be the person you want to become.
Many of our members are experts in specifics techniques such as Mystery Method, Juggler Method, direct/indirect techniques and know about their stuff. They are the people you want to hang with. As David DeAn gelo too often said: "You want to befriend those people who've got the talent you want to have so you can learnwith them and from them." The forum is located at www.seduire.ca.  We hope to see you there soon!

NEW LAIR IN TORONTO

Frank B Kermit's Toronto Seduction Lair
No Minors!  No Hazing Rituals!  No Membership Fees!  No Referral Link 'Click Fees'!  No Forced Paid Workshops to gain access!  No Organized Pirating of Copyright Materials!  No illegal activates nor criminal associations whatsoever!  Fully MODERATED to encourage a 100% RESPECTFUL learning environment!
An Advanced Section for Gurus and Top Guys who have mastered basic game!  Separate sections for Commercial announcements and seduction Discussions!
Seduction Gurus are WELCOMED directly into the Advanced Section!  An Active Free Newbie System designed to bring up skill levels FASTER!
Men's Only Group (confidentiality and privacy assured)!  A Seduction FOCUSED group, no distractions!  www.torontolair.ca/

THE TORONTO LAIR
The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.

Vancouver Social Board
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

NEW BRIGHTON LAIR
Darklight wrote to announce the new Lair which has just been set up in sunny Brighton on the south coast of England.  They are a small group of PUAs hitting up the bars, clubs, street and beaches of Brighton.  People are welcome to join, all styles and skill levels -- so long as they are active in field.  Contact them at uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/brightonpickup/  or at brightonpickup@googlemail.com

IRISH LAIR
The Irish Lair has 211 members and was started December, 2005.  Its Lair Leader is Stealth and their website is:            www.irishseduction.com/forum or you can contact:      stealth.waves@gmail.com or  xrockridgex@gmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE:
I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporatically for sarging and for schedualed meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com.

AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: www.austrianplayers.com  Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PORTLAND, MAINE
I'm starting a lair in Portland, Maine so we can truly be "the way life should be"!
Starting with a dozen AFCs & PUAs and looking to grow and share our skills.
Send email to magickman@maine.rr.com if you wish to join.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.

SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area.  If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
Stingray9001  stingray9001@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.

EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/

ISRAEL LAIR:
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to www.tironut69.com

DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:

An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com

TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at :  Julien72@bluewin.ch

NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group.  The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com  Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers.  Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas.  Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago

NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
Edmonton Men's Social Improvement Club, a Registered Non-Profit Organization can be reached at:
www.socialimprovementclub.org or by email: applicants@socialimprovementclub.org

SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California.  Contact activte@aol.com for more information.

PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques.  The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com

BELGIUM: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.

NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.

DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: wingman.meetup.com/6/ or www.DallasSeductionLair.com

DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum (www.dallaspua.com/forum), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to www.DallasPua.com

HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself:  "What is possible?  What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?"  Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night , 10PM in Norwich
City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.

VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/

NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ www.nyclair.com
Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.

SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.

BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"

SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining.  The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.

BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.

ARIZONA LAIR
Arizona Pick-Up Artist: This lair was started in July 2004 by Cramias and J-Dog. We initially wanted to build a PUA community in Arizona to; improve our skills, have training resources, and especially encourage people in Arizona to actually get involved and wing together. As of Jan'05 we have 33 Arizona memebers and almost 200 members worldwide. Thousands of archived posts and more training resources under way. There is a wing contact list for Verified Arizonan's only, and we have frequent lair meetings and many people now wing together.
Visit www.ArizonaPUA.com.  Contact jdog@arizonapua.com

ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit www.indialair.com

BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources.  Go to www.bristollair.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany.  For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at  o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome.  Contact Gaurang at 
gpatel1981@yahoo.com

NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK.  He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"

KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com
and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.

CONNECTICUT PLAYER'S LAIR:

CT Player's Lair now opens its membership to any PUA from the skill levels of RAFC to MPUA and lives in the CT, NY, NJ, RI, or Massachusetts area. We have our own private pick up knowledge base that all members may use as a resource to learn from and use in the field with us. Please register at: www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php. Registration is free until January 20th of Next Year!

NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/

NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area.  Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003.  Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest.  Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join/ so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.

ATLANTA LAIR:
Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.

NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities.  Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com

SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.

THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."

NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast.  He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com

NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM

SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.

SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.

DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com

HOUSTON:
www.houstonlair.com  Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
Turning KJs into Active PUA
Members meet twice weekly with approximately 200+ registered members. Currently run mini study groups on Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Juggler, SS. We usually meet out in the field and streets so there is plenty of field practice. Our Sarge-Fest is a great learning night for newbies where some of Australias best PUA coach you to improve your game. We also organize other activities such as Salsa dance nights for our members and we encourage our members to contribute back to the community to help it grow. The lair currently runs its own forum so come join this active lair.
Contact iceman at  melb.lair.autoreply@gmail.com.  See Melb-Lair.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network.  Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz

MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend. 

LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society www.thelss.com

AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.

PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who sarge regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!).  Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.

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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting.  Check it out here:  www.social-mastery.com/Game.html

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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out.  They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book.

Real Social Dynamics (realsocialdynamics.directtrack.com/ad/1/CD11):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...

Individualized Bootcamps   
Sign up and get more info here:  realsocialdynamics.directtrack.com/ad/1/CD11)

Real Social Dynamics has just launched its new website, forum communities, and Foundations DVD/CD set. This is the most comprehensive program they've delivered at a seminar and they were fortunate to have recorded it as well. Visitors can check out the new forum or get the new Foundations home study course at realsocialdynamics.directtrack.com/ad/1/CD11

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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS, DYD, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.

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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC! 
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal.  Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca.  Registrations available on the website.  The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50).  There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50.  You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has  3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches  beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.

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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed sets, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHVs while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOIs (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use Mystery's GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take MM seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, visit  www.themysterymethod.com/magicbullets.html

Tenmagnet is doing Mystery Method workshops in Toronto and Montreal. 

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DJ:
Upcoming 2 day inner game and storytelling programs:
This program focuses on how to take experiences from your life and convey them in an attractive, fun, and seductive way and incorporates everything from voice projection exercises to hypnotic language structures to deep inner work on who you are and what you want to convey. The first day is inner game intensive while the second day focuses on the mechanics of storytelling for a truly *complete* experience
I've received so many requests to build in some of the "old school" material on value elicitation and creating a rapport that invites her to open up to you, that I've decided to build it into this program. There will be a special section on moving from flash attraction to true connection. Please contact me for a flier with more details!
I’m offering special discounts for these programs so please email me for details at dj_seminar@yahoo.com...
I hope everyone is well and I look forward to hearing from you. Feel free to drop a line to say hello…

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DR. PAUL SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:

This is your first chance in the New Year to learn the bottom line in dating. You can bridge the gap between who you are and who you want to be. In an industry increasingly dominated by hype, I want to make a rare move and speak very plainly about what distinguishes the 7th Sense Seminar(TM) from other training in self help and social skills.
When you think about it, everything relevant to your love life simply breaks down into three areas of understanding and mastery: You, her, and the interaction between you. Here’s what you’ll learn:
You…
The core technology I’ve taught for years is known as MindOS. I called it the operating system of the human mind for a reason. If you start to dig into psychology you see patterns and predictable responses to life, a sort of biological machinery. People are often frustrated when they learn this and feel trapped in their own head as they struggle again and again with the same problems. What makes the difference, and what I teach as a board certified psychologist, is the connection and pattern that goes beyond the different theories of psychology.
This isn’t an arm chair notion. I’ve used my approach to the mind to produce profound change in patients for over a decade, refining it into a system that is easy to understand and use. It’s no surprise that what works for people with huge challenges in therapy works even better and faster for those who are already functional people looking for change.
You have the rare opportunity to truly work on your life from the “inside out” by mastering yourself, rather than looking at the surface behaviors. Many dating coaches are, in effect, teaching you to be an actor with a very specific role. Is that really what calls to you in life, or do you want more?
Her…
One of the criticisms you may have seen on T.V. when people respond to guru’s teaching about “seduction” is the claim that women are “objectified.” If you don’t look at people as individuals, you’re cheating yourself of a lot of the joy you can have. Do you know anybody who obsesses over every interaction they have with a girl? Has their view of dating become rigid and mechanical?
The bottom line is that individuality matters, and you can’t approach every woman with the same mindset. You can increase your success with women, your peace of mind and your mental health by learning more about others. At the 7th Sense Seminar(TM) you’ll learn a revolutionary system of understanding personality types known as KWML(TM). This stands for King, Warrior, Magician and Lover.
KWML™ has an advantage over other personality profiling systems because it can be used quickly, in the moment and out in the open. It doesn’t require lengthy questionnaires or tests like a traditional Myers-Briggs. You can learn to get a true sense of a person’s motivations and needs in an instant just by talking and keeping your eyes open. This lets you give people what they need at a deep level, and helps you predict the challenges and rewards of dating a particular girl from day one.
When you master this system of understanding personality, you’ll have the key that lets you look at yourself and others objectively. Understanding people will always be a puzzle to be solved, but you can learn to see how the pieces fit.
You and Her…
You’ve probably noticed that a lot of attention is given to the surface interactions in dating. Men’s advice has focused on things to say and ways to behave. Women’s advice has focused on how to look and “rules” for dating. With DatingOS, you have the chance to put it all together and understand the real connection that binds dating behavior to inner psychology. This is the model of human courtship.
Courtship covers all the elements of evolutionary psychology, biology, sociology and culture that bring a man and a woman from attraction and friendship to a possible long term or sexual connection. DatingOS is the premium model for understanding human sexuality.
What does it all mean? When you combine real skill at self mastery, deep insight into other people as individuals, and a solid grasp of the real science of human courtship, you will know all that you need to change your life, not only with women but in everything.
The 7th Sense Seminar (TM) also includes more time with live coaching than other social trainers, nearly a full 24 hours dedicated to practice, workshops and field work. This is in addition to all the seminar and classroom training.
Put it all together and you have more deep education and more practical applications than you can find anywhere else. To see the full sales description and checkout all the details, visit doctorpaul.net/products.htm. See you there

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The new technology (DatingOS) Dr. Paul is unleashing on the world completely explains what your hangups are, not only in "hooking up" or "approaching," but through the dating process and deep into relationships. This doesn't exist anywhere else, nor will it, because Dr Paul has gone through twenty years of both psychiatric clinical training, seen 15,000 patients with problems of both a "dating" nature, AND comprehensively solves deep problems that people have with sexual attraction, commitment, marriage, breakups, relationships, trauma, depression, anxiety disorders, ADD, OCD, career complications, cheating and betrayal.

If you want permanent RESULTS, you may need some real science, and the same fun time you have at other seminars of course, with more mastery of ALL psychology of dating—INNER GAME, OUTER GAME, and never before seen PROFILING of women for perfect fit to your personality.

So far, DatingOS has only been available in person, at seminars in the heart of the city of SINGLES, in summertime after a bitter winter has all females in a frenzy of cabin fever.  See doctorpaul.net/products.htm

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Herbal, one of the characters made famous by The Game, has finally released an ebook after taking some time away from the community. He also offers a free 10 Day E-Mail Bootcamp.. For more information, visit  www.makeherchaseyou.com/

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Brian has a network of sites at bogdock.com/ and in there he has launched a dating site, www.fullcontactdating.com/
which he generously has included a page for Cliff's List at:
www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/cliffs-list/
which you should visit!  As a reward for visiting Brian's site, you can get a F R E E copy of his new e-book which can be downloaded from:
www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/btp/

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Dear fellow PUAs,
Probably you've heard that this year's EuroSummit will be held in London. After last year's awesome success in Vienna, we decided to take it to the
next level. In London, the nerve centre of Europe, we are getting ready to rock the world.

If have some PU experience and ready to travel, come join us, and take part in our celebration of the fairer sex. During these 3 days and 3 nights of sarging, you can meet some of the best PUA