Do I tell her I had an itch up there?

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THIS IS CLIFF'S PRIVATE LIST, A F*R*E*E* E-MAIL RELATING TO SEDUCTION

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CLIFF'S LIST UPDATES:

Within two weeks you should see a revised version of the www.cliffslist.com website up. The design will be pretty basic and there won't be much difference in the content from what is up currently, but the backend of this site (in other words, all the technical wizardry) will be the underlying foundation of the major revision that we have been working on. There are programming items that overlap from the cliffslist.com site and the cliffslistconvention.com site and this is one of the reasons that things are still not up. I am as anxious as any of you to get the 2006 DVDs out, but without a way to take, keep track of and process orders it doesn't make sense to put out the disks.

There are also changes planned for this email newsletter and some pretty great ideas for the next Convention. You will read about everything here first.

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Quick Clips:

Garrison shared a new clip from Authentic Man: youtube.com/watch?v=OvwK1o_4CXQ

Mystery on VH1!! www.venusianarts.com/pt/blog/default.aspx?id=17&t=VH1-teaser-ads-for-The-Pickup-Artist

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BigG:

Review of Tyler's "Blueprint" Super Conference in NYC

"Attraction, authenticity and deep identity level change"

I just returned from an awesome weekend in NYC attending Tyler's Blueprint Super Conference and what is most motivating me to write this review is how utterly impressed I was by the presence, charisma and profound transformation that I witnessed in Tyler. I have got to give the man all the credit in the world and he has earned it all the way.

I remember in the past listening to Tyler and sensing his profound understanding of the game. But often his ideas were disconnected and hard to link together. No more. Clearly, the massive amount of work he has done to write his book has resulted in an ability to communicate his ideas with astounding coherence.

Obviously, I cannot hope to recreate 24 hours of material in a short review. Indeed to sum up the core message, it sounds almost trite, hackneyed but nevertheless true: it's all in our heads and no amount of external fluff is going to fix the needy, greedy holes in our souls.

Tyler managed to put a few recurring myths to rest once and for all. For example, can we all finally get that LOOKS DO NOT MATTER ??? the pernicious belief that looks, money, prestige, etc., are in and of themselves the key to attractiveness must be presently smashed and for good. What works is the deep, powerful core self-validation and confidence that Steve P's and others have been drilling into us for years.

Social Conditioning, the media and our own fucked up heads have reduced our natural, God-given self-esteem to rubbles.

Men respond to VISUAL cues - we see the hottie and that's all she wrote. We MISTAKENLY PROJECT onto women that they respond the same way. They don't. Women respond to BEHAVIORAL cues. A man who walks with ease through the world, who takes what he wants and whose inner turmoils (to borrow Toecutter's phrase) have been resolved. For that man, the words "let's go" are virtually all he needs. Humour, DHV's connection, rapport, the right thing to say, etc., etc., are all effortless byproducts of this state!

Furthermore, while women draw state from their environment (why they love clubs), men draw it internally. We must learn to self-generate state! Because a woman's state is (generally) dependent or at least greatly influenced by external stimuli, she is prone to the roller coaster emotionalism that so often defines her. That is why she is so attracted to the "rock" of a man's internal self validation and consistency.

But what is a shattered, frightened, insecure newbie to do? What if you don't have that confidence? Tyler's brilliant suggestion was to not try to have confidence but rather to develop the INDIFFERENCE that comes from being blown out enough to find it amusing. To get to the point of realizing that it really doesn't matter what she thinks. Remember Brent's famous insight? "... the difference that makes a difference is indifference" and it is achieved by frying the circuits from going out and approaching. (Anybody care to wing with Big G let me know!)

For me, a big part of my journey has also been to come to believe that all of this is possible. That ONS are possible. That five minute pulls are possible. (Over the weekend I was astounded at how the universe was sending me a message to this effect: in every bar or club I entered, there on every single door was written in big bold letters "PULL"!)

(See the offer from Real Social Dynamics below for free workshops
for subscribers of Cliff's List)

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Carlos Xuma (www.alphaconfidence.com/):

"Tell me about your last relationship..."

Those six words can strike fear into the heart of just about any man.

The truth is that women LOVE to ask this question, and men HATE to answer it.

Why? What's the big deal?

Well, I believe that both sides know what's going on here, but only the woman usually knows how to handle it, while the guy simply reacts in the worst way possible...

(And REACTING is always the worst response to any situation.)

Let's peek in on a couple whose conversation was going well until...

HER: "Tell me about your last relationship..."

HIM: "Oh, uh, my last relationship. Yeah. Uh, it was ... okay. She was nice and all, but she and I just didn't get along so great at the end. We met right here, as a matter of fact. We went out for drinks, we dated for about a year. She started getting weird in the last few weeks. She would call me late at night when I was out, and ask me where I was. She could be a real bitch, too. *&%$# unbelievable. Man, I'm so glad I'm out of THAT situation. Sooo.... Want another drink?"

Okay, let's break this down...

Why did she ask him this question?

Primarily to find out all those delicious things he gave away in that totally jaw-dropping reply. Yes, it was a 'test,' but it was one that she knew would yield her some high-octane results in terms of inside information.

Let's see what kind of "hidden intel" she got from his response:

1) Conflicting stories. He tries to put a nice spin on it, but ends up falling victim to his own emotions when he starts reliving it in his head as he explains it to her. He goes from saying she was nice, to how they didn't get along so well at the end, to how she was weird, to how she was a bitch.

This kind of changing story signals her that not only are there issues here, there is a definite lack of truth-telling. i.e., trust is vaporizing.

2) As a result of the previous slide down angry hill, she decides that he is definitely not "over" his ex. Notice how he gave a timeline there? "Last few weeks..." In her mind, this woman has already started to eliminate him.

Remember that attractive women are actively LOOKING for reasons to count you out of their lives. (And by this same reason, only DESPERATE women are looking for reasons to pull you into their lives. Beware!) You must avoid giving her any reasons to eliminate you before you've been able to make an emotional impact.

3) His emotional reaction at the end of the story ("*&%$# unbelievable. Man, I'm so glad I'm out of THAT situation...") says that he's got some ANGER to manage.

By the same token that women want what other women want, the LAST thing a woman wants is what another woman has thrown away. Declaring your anger like this makes you more unattractive than Billy Bob Thornton in a speedo.

4) When a woman calls a man late at night asking where he is, the odds are (unless she's a stalker or psycho) that there were some real trust issues in that relationship. Another red flag goes up.

5) He OVER answered. He went into WAY more detail than was required by the situation. Over-explanation seems patently false and hinky, and usually smells like a lie.

So how do you answer her question the right way...?

First of all, make sure you've laid to rest all your emotional baggage regarding any ex-girlfriends of yours. All it takes is a few beers and the wrong question, and you're chasing her as she's running out the door.

LET IT GO.

Move on.

If you find yourself caught up in obsessively angry thoughts about your ex, seek a little help, and definitely don't start dating yet. We've got enough loose cannons out there, thankyouverymuch.

Next step: Take a few minutes to PREPARE in your mind right now how you will answer this if asked. (The percentage of guys who actually do this is appallingly low.)

A good, generic response to her might be something like this:

"You know, it was really great while it lasted. We had a lot of fun times, but in the end, we discovered we just weren't right for each other. I still care about her, she's a great person, but now I'm looking for someone who has the right stuff for me."

You don't want to duck the question, or give a half-answer like, "Oh it was fine." A woman will sense that you're hiding something there, too.

Just be up-front, clear, and positive about the message and you'll handle this particular test question easily.

Then move on to a new topic. Do NOT let her dwell here and play therapist with you. Tell her, and then get on with more positive conversation about the possibilities that could be happening right now.

Here's a nugget of gold that most guys will pass over... One thing I do when talking to a woman is find a way to tease her about the question while letting her know I know what's going on. After I've answered with the response above, I'll also say:

"So if you're trying to figure out if I've got issues, or I'm the kind of guy that can commit, I could tell you about my two year relationship with...Uhhh, on second thought, you're not going to get my secrets that easy. I need to know some more about YOU."

That sneaks in the right amount of qualification (because I REALLY do want to know more about her). And it allows me to casually mention a long-term relationship. AND it allows me to call her a little on her question.

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Byzantine:

Review of my I'm A Man, That's My Job book (Frank's site is at
www.franktalks.com but you can buy his book here:
www.lulu.com/content/875062):

I have bought all of Frank Kermit's books on pre-order... and I have found them all useful. This book, while slightly different in scope and character to his previous two, did not disappoint.

"I'm a Man, That's My Job: The Philosophy of a Seducer" is structured as part workbook, part coming- of-age story, part textbook. Although a lot of the material is familiar to someone who is a student of dating and relationships, there are nuggets of gold which make this book more than worth the price of admission. In my reading, the book deals with two core
areas: theories of inner game and the process of self-change.

Kermit's Ten Rules of Relationships and his theories of dominance are spot-on with what I've observed as, I myself have gone through the process he outlines in his book. In particular, reading his list of the Ten Emotional Needs of Men was like removing the veil from the elusive obvious. I read the list and kept saying, "yes, that's true...yes, and that one too."

When he releases his book devoted solely to this topic, I'll read it the moment it arrives.... and lend a second copy to the girl(s) that I'm with at the time. I could continue, but you'll just have to read the book for yourself.

The second topic, that of self-change, gives important advice that I haven't seen covered by anyone else. His theory of development from Loser to "Learned Natural" explained a lot of things for me. As a "Learned Seducer in Training" on his way to "Seducer", I always wondered why many men who started off on the journey stopped halfway through this path of ultimate riches. Now I know.

It was his section on "Beware Your Mentors", however, that gave me a truly great epiphany. I often found that advice from the various gurus would work, but then a sticking point that I never had before would arise. Kermit's theory explains what you must do and what you must avoid.

As I've continued to develop myself out of recognition from my pre-change persona, I've found Kermit's books to be of immense value. "I'm a Man, That's My Job" is no exception.

Keep up the good work, Frank... and keep writing!

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Dane (from the Kansas City Lair forum groups.google.com/group/kc-lair):

I really like this board but at times it's almost way too serious, maybe a little dry. In an attempt to lighten it up a little, let's hear your most embarrassing pickup / relationship / sex related moments. I have three stories that come to mind right away. I'll share one and then post the other two after a couple of other people post.

I'll try not to get too long-winded here...

I met HBA, a solid 9.5 with a face that reminded me of a hot beach girl and a body that remains to be the nicest I've ever violated. Seeing this girl on top of me was really a moment of enlightenment, it's when I realized that I had truly broken through, away from the drab land of the reforming AFC and into the amazing world of the PUA, where the pussy flows like wine. Yes, her body looked that good, but I'm getting a little ahead of myself...

Just a week after number closing her I met another girl that I escalated with quickly and ended up in a committed relationship with. I still studied and did some basic field work - basically gaming to a number close and ejecting. But I made sure to make occasional contact with HBA, mainly through text messaging.

A year later my relationship was over, and I wasted no time proceeding with HBA. I sent her a text using my little text technique, found here:

"Danes Magic Text technique, copied from the KC Forum I haven't shared as much as I probably should on here, so I'm gonna throw out one of my favorite little things to do.

I've used this MANY times with great success. I've tested sending different types of messages and found that the ones I'm about to use have worked the best. Do this to a woman that you want thinking about you sexually or to one you haven't talked to for a while, but it's best to only use it on girls that you've got at least some comfort with, I wouldn't try it on a new target that you number closed with and haven't really contacted otherwise.

Another cool thing about this is that it works well on girls that you are friends with and you want to take things to the next level.

What I do is I write 2 text messages. The first one says something along the lines of: "Haha - oops! That was meant for someone else. Sorry!" After you write this don't send it but instead save it.

Now write another text message with whatever you want the girl thinking. I've noticed that it's good to go sexual here, but you also want it a soft sexual, nothing dirty or very explicit. Here's exactly what I use - I read a variation of it somewhere (Juggler maybe?) - credit where it's due...anyways:

"You know, I've been thinking about you, about how I'd like to slowly kiss you over your entire body, and how much you would love it...."

Now send this text, or something similar, to your target. Immediately afterwards, go back to your "apology" draft and send that. You wanna send the draft text before she sends a response to the first, so make it pretty quick.

The first text does multiple things - it shows preselection and that you have options, plus it makes her aware that you are a sexual person - if she wasn't thinking about sex with you before then it ran through her mind when she got your first text, and the take-away just put her over the top. Once you "take back" the dirty text she'll begin to realize how bad she did want it to be meant for her...Game on..."

She responded positively, and we started to hang out a bit, but for some reason I failed to escalate the kino like I should have, so I came up with this:

"kino Escalation for the not-so-receptive, by Dane (Copied from the KC Forum)

As you all know, most of the time kino should be a progression, a natural escalation from an innocent first touch all the way through sex. So what do you do when you come across that rare HB that is non-receptive to your touch early on?

I've only had this happen twice, I attempt to escalate and she goes cold, so I stop. I step back and drop all kino and start again, but again am stopped at the same point. Both girls ended up being fairly shy and needed lots of comfort before I could escalate to sex, but I used the same method to get both of them used to touching and being touched...

When you're out, just casually bend over and untie her shoe. Give a sly smile and just proceed with what you were doing. A little bit later, 20-30 mins, do it again. Wait until you've got her isolated, your house or her house or at least away from a crowd to do it a third time - this time she will likely go for yours.

This is where the little struggle begins. You can do this little game spontaneously throughout the day and turn it into a full-blown wrestling match if you want...and there you go. You took her from unresponsive physically to rolling on the ground and breathing heavy with you just by acting like a little 3rd grader....

If anyone else has similar methods for those rare less-then-receptive females let's hear 'em..."

And it worked like a charm.

Skip ahead a few days. I am invited over to watch a movie. We go to her den and she sits at one end of the couch. I decide to go ahead and take care of this little problem by helping myself to the bed upstairs, where I grabbed a blanket and two pillows. I went back downstairs and laid on the floor, placing the extra pillow next to me and saying nothing to her. She caught on shortly and came down to the floor. I immediately began escalating.

Skip ahead a little bit - all clothes are off and I'm kissing her inner thighs. I lightly brush my lips across her wet little treasure box as I go back and forth from one thigh to the other, finally working my way to the middle.

Now, at this point, as I work to make her back arch and her legs shake, I usually take my opportunity to open and don a rubber, it's here that I can do it without interrupting the seduction process - stealthy, ninja-like. Well, most of the time. I have a plastic condom case that holds two. I'd grabbed it from my pants pocket earlier and slid it onto the floor by her legs - I wanted it within reach when I was down there.

This is where my first problem came up. I had unknowingly slid the case under the couch. I felt around for it for a few minutes before I thought to check under there, so I pulled away from her slowly and ran my hands down her legs as I sat up, eyeing her up and down. Under the guise of checking out her body I swept my hand under the edge of the couch and hit pay dirt.

Problem averted.

So I go back down and attempt to open the condom case only to find the lid snuggly in place. DAMMIT. I rock the little lid back and forth as I start to pull hard, thinking "you piece of shit you're going in the trash when I'm done" when POP! The lid comes off almost violently. I still hear moaning and notice her eyes closed, she must not have noticed, thankfully.

Here's where the real trouble begins. The frustration (and logical problem solving) of the moment has taken its toll. That's right. My little buddy has withdrawn from his hard-enough-to-break-concrete state, now hanging much like a wet noodle.

Anyone who's been in this situation knows what happens here - it snowballs. You start to focus on what happened and why you aren't quite up to the task, while simultaneously screaming "FIX! FIX!! YOU BASTARD!" in your head. All this does is make it worse. The more I start to try to "will" it up the more reclusive it becomes.

Through all of this I continue my oral until she gets off. Seeing HBA's artistic display of orgasmic beauty seems to help a little. Soon after, she sits halfway up and grabs my head. She's ready for it. It's not ready for her. She notices and reaches down, begins caressing. Wow, she's pretty good at this, but I'm totally out of it now. My mood is pretty much shot. I'm telling myself "you've got a smoking hot girl here that you've been waiting a year to fuck - do what you can. Fashion a splint with duct tape and a popsicle stick if you have to, just don't let it end like this".

Eventually, EVENTUALLY, I get my "chi" back and the little guy comes out of his shell, but by this time it's just awkward for both of us. She lies down and we begin to go at it but it's just not really happening for either of us. We're both just kinda doing it because the opportunity is there. The mood has dissipated. I eventually just stop. I don't get off, she doesn't get off again.

There was a silence.

It probably lasted 30 seconds, but it seemed like 30 years.
I, in my everlasting quest to be alpha in all situations, show no signs of being bothered by it. Not on the outside. On the inside, however, I was already seeing myself diving off
the edge of a tall cliff. How can it get any worse? Oh but it can...

She broke the silence and asked if I'd like something to drink, then she went upstairs as I started to get dressed. I stood in her den trying to think about what to do here. Do I bring it up? Do I act like nothing at all happened? Do I hand in my man card?

As I stare off in an erectile dysfunction-induced dreaming session I begin to get a wicked itch just inside of my right nostril. I rub the outside with the back of my hand but to no avail. One more attempt but no cigar. It really itches by now and I can't take it, I've got to do it - I have to go in after it. I quickly place the tip of my finger a mere quarter-inch inside my nostril and gently rub, turning my body at the same time to face the steps - and the girl.

Holy shit.

I said nothing. Nothing at all. What do I say? Do I keep quiet? Then she'll think I was picking my nose. Do I tell her I had an itch up there? Yeah right, she would then laugh and think that not only was I picking my nose but I was lying about it too. Looking back I should have pulled out my finger and casually wiped it down her arm. If anyone field test's that let me know...

Maybe it was just a bad night. I've been blessed so far in that most seductions have gone slick and smooth, almost flawless really. Maybe even blessed to the point that I can handle an occasional night of having condom problems, not staying hard, and getting busted "picking my nose" all in one session. Then again...

HBA became a good fuckbuddy for about 3 months, until she started getting too attached. What's even funnier is that my second most embarrassing moment not only happened with the same girl but it occurred the very next time we hooked up. We'll get into that one later....

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Matthew:

There are some issues I'm having with the craft. My two biggest sticking points are "shit tests" and learning how to develop new routines. The most pressing issue, I feel, is the "shit test". I have a hard time with being an ass (years of experience to the contrary is hard to break i guess) I just can't think quick enough to come back to some stuff she comes up with. Secondly, it would be nice to be able to come up with some new routines. I mean, I don't want to be a bot forever, I want to do my own shit. Anyway, if you have any ideas on how to deal with these issues, it sure would be appreciated.

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Rezachkata:
Investing in the Home Study Course by Attract&Date (www.attractanddate.com/) was definitely a step forward in my learning curve.

Before the HSC I was approaching like a machine, sometimes even 8 hours a day and getting tons of (hard) rejections, 1-3 dates (Day 2s) a week and a few instant dates.

What I get now is almost the same, but in a lot less time. I'm usually going out for less than 2 hours and every single time I get instant dates, sometimes up to 5 in one day.

Now is my fourth week since getting the HSC and I'm constantly feeling happy and progressing on a daily basis. Last week I laid a co-worker of mine.

I'd also sometimes approach during my daily activities (not when I went out to sarge) and still get instant dates. My rejection rate is very low, and girls are at least smiling when I approach them.

What I learned from the home study course was that I have to concentrate on the positive reactions that I get and immediately forget the bad ones – to celebrate every victory no matter how little it is;

How to properly stop girls on the street (this one was so enlightening after having thousands of rejections), and approach them in any possible situation; words almost don't matter if you have your non-verbal channels subcommunicating the right things, thus stopping girls with any non-sense and still hooking their attention, attracting and engaging them in conversation;

How to keep the obstacles interested enough to not pull away your target girl; how to deliver a 100% congruent compliment and what to talk about with girls - both skills build massive amounts of attraction, just like high octane routines do but the difference is that a routine can build the attraction once and by talking about her emotions you can keep her interested for a long time.

Besides that, I got an idea how the rhythm of a conversation on an instant date is flowing – it's a very important thing and you can understand it only when you see it.

Also, Attract & Date's support is great – my first half hour session lasted almost 1 hour because Ranko truly wanted me to get a thorough understanding of his teachings, after that we kept in touch via email and he was also very supportive and encouraging!

Even though the HSC is not a magic pill and Ranko & Co can teach you and they do it very good.

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MINI-ANNOUNCEMENTS (includes promos of new sites, podcasts, events, products, etc.)
See the on-line version of this email at www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for more details about many of the
following - once on the "Letter" page on the website, scroll down to the Promo section where you will see the Maxi-Announcements.

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- Real Social Dynamics will be conducting a series of free workshops for subscribers of the RSD E-Course newsletters and to Cliff's List.
To claim your FREE workshop tickets before they're all
gone, find the city nearest you from the list below and visit the
links below for full details:
ROME - August 11, 2007
www.realsocialdynamics.com/free-workshop-rome2007.asp
LONDON - August 30, 2007
www.realsocialdynamics.com/free-workshop-london2007.asp
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www.realsocialdynamics.com/free-workshop-la2007.asp

- THE GLOBAL 2007 PUA'S SEDUCTION SUMMIT AND FIRST EVER PICKUP AWARDS Hollywood "Babeland" U.S.A., Legendary Roosevelt Celebrity Hotel Cinegrill Theatre. August 25th and 26th 2007, over 18 of the world's top pickup artists and trainers including... Vince Kelvin (V-Model of Enticement) Asian Playboy (APB Group) Brad P. (Underground Dating Seminar) Johnny Wolf (Founder of the SoCalLair) Thundercat (Thundercat's Lair) Daniel Rose (Spiritfingers/SexGod) Plus hot female fashion makeover team, hair stylist RADA, and surprise female performers, and exotic dancers and porn start Ricky Lixxx! More info at: www.seductioncoaching.com/2007%20summit.htm or contact: Vince@SeductionCoaching.com

- ACE is a specialist in the art of charisma and teaches workshops. Between August 13th & 17th he's having a special promotion for Cliff's List readers. Come and do a 1-day Charisma workshop with him for only £99 in London! This workshop is specifically tailored by him to show you how to be a man with a magical charm and wit. Never run out of things to say - never, ever again!! Workshops are limited to just 2 participants a day! First come first served. Email acepua@gmail.com to arrange a place.

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- We're all in this game for the simple fact that we love women, right? If you're like me, you probably like being able to please them in ways that no other man has. Though we all can't study at the feet of a sexual shaman like Steve P. or Hypnotica, we can still easily increase a woman's pleasure... go here to learn more about The Screaming O www.thescreamingo.com/

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- Brother Kermit has just published I'm A Man, That's My Job: The Philosophy of a Seducer, A Complete Inner Game Workbook. Here is the link: www.lulu.com/content/875062 You can buy it until May 31st for 15$US, As of June 1st, the price goes up to 49,95$ US. It has all the lists, plus more. The rules of relationships The base life philosophies AND A description of the 10 stages of development from Loser to Seducer to Natural. This book also has charts to track your development. Until May 31st, you all can get a FULL FREE PREVIEW!!! He has put the ENTIRE book up for a FREE preview. All 278 pages.

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- Doc, a featured speaker at both the 2005 & 2006 Cliff's List Conventions, is holding seminars. For more info go to his new site at www.TrueLifeSkills.com.

- Cardinal just wanted to let you know that he's going to release The Cardinal Flight Plan (CFP) Ebook soon. He's so confident that this book is going to be a hit, he's going to offer the first 25 people a free copy! Yup, the first 25 people to visit www.Seductiontech.com will get a free copy. He will send out a mass email once he officially releases the CFP... Go to www.Seductiontech.com and sign-up for his newsletter, and be sure to watch your email.

- Magnus, of Bristol Lair fame, has released his e-book on improving your Inner Game using Emotional Freedom Technique. Every problem you have with women can be boiled down to negative feelings and beliefs. You can use EFT to eliminate these until you have none left. Magnus has an online seminar, and free tutorial videos on his site: www.InnerGameTapping.com/

- In the Toronto area Christiano has been teaching men to work from their inner game to outer game in a way that is congruent to their identity. Most see results after being taught the skills in the workshop immediately. Find out more by visiting: bestnaturalgame.com.

- Ron Louis & David Copeland have put out a new ebook "How to be the Bad Boy Women Love." Find out more at howtosucceedwithwomen.com/htg/

- New Book/Audio release: "Park Bench Dating." Are you currently meeting women in the day time? Do you know how easy it is to get a quality number in a few minutes, just as you go through your day? Written by Art, an NYC dating coach, who came from PUA community and turned pure natural. Covered by The New York Times and ABC Television, his methods of meeting in the day time are so effective simply because they are so easy to use everyday. www.ParkBenchDating.com

- Uncle Ruckus has started a new youtube show called "The Nice Guy Show" and he'd like for you to watch. You can also visit his home page at www.adviceonwomen.com. He plugs Cliff's List on a recent one, too!

- Society "Of Cool" - Description of Group: Simple: This place is for all of you dudes and chicks who are rad cool and want to step their game up in life with wealth building(money) and relationship building (women/men). Living a healthy lifestyle is considered "cool" as well.. This place is ONLY FOR COOL PEOPLE. If you are a beta male, chump, nerd, loser, you are getting your a$$ banned! Visit this Link: www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=1

- Here's a neat one, originally proposed to me by Johnny Soporno. Take one of these pills daily (male or female) and taste sweet: sweetsecretions.com/cgi-bin/ustorekeeper.pl

- The Mystery Method has come out with a new book, Magic Bullets. Find out more at: www.themysterymethod.com/magicbullets.html

- Rion Williams has announced and released his pioneering 'Secret to Women' video, downloadable eBook and podcast. Something as ambitious as that just has to be seen for yourself. www.secretofwomen.com/resources.htm. Rion has also released the community/content site 'AboveTheGame.NET.' Its got articles, blogs, user profiles, an active forum, chat and more. You can even create your own blog and submit your own dating/seduction content or questions. The community is focused on how to be a 'natural' ladies man. www.abovethegame.net

- Herbal, one of the characters made famous by The Game, has finally released an ebook after taking some time away from the community. He also offers a free 10 Day E-Mail Bootcamp." For more information, visit www.makeherchaseyou.com/

- Carlos Xuma is releasing a new program entitled "Alpha Man Conversation & Persuasion," which covers all areas of communication. From talking to women, to using NLP, to creating REAL attraction and rapport, to handling the guys that try to tool you - you'll find what you need in this 14 CD program. Carlos is also giving away a free one-on-one phone coaching session to one of the first 500 guys who get the program. Visit: www.alphaconfidence.com/conversation-persuasion/. Also check out new program to teach you to live the alpha lifestyle: www.alphaconfidence.com/

- How to be an all-around cooler person - completely free, practical advice for guys on social skills, getting along with people, and getting your act together - all written by a recovered loser. Not everyone will need to read the material here, but take a look if you think you could benefit from improving your people skills before diving into the seduction game. Feel free to check it out at www.howtobecooler.com

- Jordan has a new podcast out about pickup. The content is, and will continue to be, 100% free and doesn't push any particular method or commercial product/workshop, etc. The website is www.pickuppodcast.com

- LayGuide was the original inspiration for Neil Strauss to write "The Game" and is still the most thorough and continually updated collection of the best dating, attraction and seduction tips in the world: www.layguide.com/

- In The Game by Neil Strauss, "TwoTimer" is talked about as one of the top players. His more commonly known handle is IN10SE, and his "Octoberman Sequence" has been whispered about and become a LEGEND in the on-line Pickup artist community. It's rumored to give a woman ULTIMATE pleasure and you ULTIMATE control - in as little as 15 minutes! Only the BEST of the BEST know it. Check it out here: www.octoberman.com/

- Which PUA would you like to hear answer YOUR most pressing questions about Pick-Up? Captain Jack (of www.betheseducer.com) is planning to interview the PUA you most want to hear from in a totally FREE 70-90 Minute Teleseminar. To nominate your favorite PUA and get more info on the event just go to: www.askdatabase.com/gt/askfast.php?a=28521

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LAIR SECTION
(Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at www.bristollair.com, as well as at www.seductionlair.com:

A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/

LAIR GROUP
If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com
Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers. Join this group (lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (www.lairlist.com/).

HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Lair meetings are scheduled currently once a month on Sundays. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. The Lair now has a magnificent new online discussion forum that was put together by Loveur.

The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.

Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):

MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.

NEW FRENCH MONTREAL LAIR FORMED
Good news! Montreal has now a FRENCH Lair! Oui! Ever wanted to be part of a lair without having to learn another language?
- A lair which would offer you support
- A lair which would allow you to find new wingman
- A lair where you would be able to learn
- A lair where you would be able to share
- A lair which would offer occassions to sarge
- A lair where you would be able to conquer your fear
- A lair which would allow you to become a better PUA 100 times faster
And all that in FRENCH! Now is your chance! We've just opened our forum located at www.seduire.ca , registration are free. You can also apply to become a Montreal VIP which will offer you the possibility to be part of the best French PUA Team in Montreal. We also have a section dedicated to people of Quebec City cause we love you :) Note that the sooner you become part of our family, the sooner you'll be the person you want to become.
Many of our members are experts in specifics techniques such as Mystery Method, Juggler Method, direct/indirect techniques and know about their stuff. They are the people you want to hang with. As David DeAn gelo too often said: "You want to befriend those people who've got the talent you want to have so you can learnwith them and from them." The forum is located at www.seduire.ca. We hope to see you there soon!

NEW LAIR IN TORONTO

Frank B Kermit's Toronto Seduction Lair
No Minors! No Hazing Rituals! No Membership Fees! No Referral Link 'Click Fees'! No Forced Paid Workshops to gain access! No Organized Pirating of Copyright Materials! No illegal activates nor criminal associations whatsoever! Fully MODERATED to encourage a 100% RESPECTFUL learning environment!
An Advanced Section for Gurus and Top Guys who have mastered basic game! Separate sections for Commercial announcements and seduction Discussions!
Seduction Gurus are WELCOMED directly into the Advanced Section! An Active Free Newbie System designed to bring up skill levels FASTER!
Men's Only Group (confidentiality and privacy assured)! A Seduction FOCUSED group, no distractions! www.torontolair.ca/

THE TORONTO LAIR
The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.

MORE TORONTO
There are at least two other PUA groups in Toronto:
www.torontophoenixsociety.com
and
www.torontolair.org

VANCOUVER SOCIAL BOARD
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

NEW BRIGHTON LAIR
Darklight wrote to announce the new Lair which has just been set up in sunny Brighton on the south coast of England. They are a small group of PUAs hitting up the bars, clubs, street and beaches of Brighton. People are welcome to join, all styles and skill levels -- so long as they are active in field. Contact them at uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/brightonpickup/ or at brightonpickup@googlemail.com

IRISH LAIR
The Irish Lair has 211 members and was started December, 2005. Its Lair Leader is Stealth and their website is: www.irishseduction.com/forum or you can contact: stealth.waves@gmail.com or xrockridgex@gmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE:
I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporatically for sarging and for schedualed meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com.

AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com

Also, a new board has been started named AUSTRIAN SEDUCTON COMMUNITY (ASC) and the Lair URL for that is www.austrianseduction.com. Ben and Rey can be reached at info@6system.info. Described as the next generation of PU-Communities! ASC supports you with: - public/private photo albums; Event calender & Lair meeting System; PU-Lexicon; Video Blog; personal Notes System; & the best german-speaking PUAs including 2 females!

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PORTLAND, MAINE
I'm starting a lair in Portland, Maine so we can truly be "the way life should be"!
Starting with a dozen AFCs & PUAs and looking to grow and share our skills.
Send email to magickman@maine.rr.com if you wish to join.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.

SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.

EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/

ISRAEL LAIR:
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to www.tironut69.com

DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:

An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com

TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
Also, go to www.toplair.com/ for more information about PUA Lair activity in Tampa.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch

NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago

NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
Edmonton Men's Social Improvement Club, a Registered Non-Profit Organization can be reached at:
www.socialimprovementclub.org or by email: applicants@socialimprovementclub.org

SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.

PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com

BELGIUM: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.

NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.

DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: wingman.meetup.com/6/ or www.DallasSeductionLair.com

DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum (www.dallaspua.com/forum), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to www.DallasPua.com

HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night , 10PM in Norwich
City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.

VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/

NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ www.nyclair.com
Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.

SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.

BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"

SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.

BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.

ARIZONA LAIR
Arizona Pick-Up Artist: This lair was started in July 2004 by Cramias and J-Dog. We initially wanted to build a PUA community in Arizona to; improve our skills, have training resources, and especially encourage people in Arizona to actually get involved and wing together. As of Jan'05 we have 33 Arizona memebers and almost 200 members worldwide. Thousands of archived posts and more training resources under way. There is a wing contact list for Verified Arizonan's only, and we have frequent lair meetings and many people now wing together.
Visit www.ArizonaPUA.com. Contact jdog@arizonapua.com

ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit www.indialair.com

BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to www.bristollair.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
gpatel1981@yahoo.com

NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"

KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com
and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.

CONNECTICUT PLAYER'S LAIR:

CT Player's Lair now opens its membership to any PUA from the skill levels of RAFC to MPUA and lives in the CT, NY, NJ, RI, or Massachusetts area. We have our own private pick up knowledge base that all members may use as a resource to learn from and use in the field with us. Please register at: www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php. Registration is free until January 20th of Next Year!

NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/

NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.

ATLANTA LAIR:
Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.

NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA LAIR
The Hollywood Seduction Lair. Monthly pickup mastery seminars at The Roosevelt Celebrity hotel and pussy patrol on Hollywood Blvd. To attend: www.seductioncoaching.com/hollywood.htm To join list: groups.yahoo.com/group/Self-Empowermentgroup/ Contact: Vince@SeductionCoaching.com

WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com

SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.

THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."

NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com

NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM

SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.

SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.

DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com

HOUSTON:
www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
Turning KJs into Active PUA
Members meet twice weekly with approximately 200+ registered members. Currently run mini study groups on Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Juggler, SS. We usually meet out in the field and streets so there is plenty of field practice. Our Sarge-Fest is a great learning night for newbies where some of Australias best PUA coach you to improve your game. We also organize other activities such as Salsa dance nights for our members and we encourage our members to contribute back to the community to help it grow. The lair currently runs its own forum so come join this active lair.
Contact iceman at melb.lair.autoreply@gmail.com. See Melb-Lair.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz

MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.

LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society www.thelss.com

AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership poli