Sometimes they end up being a 5 or 6

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pzn_player:
FR: You're gonna like this one

I really feel like (for various different reasons), my understanding, if not to say level, of game has really changed. I'm not a guy who used to get laid or even date any chicks, I started out as a pure loser, overweight, no-social skills, put-everyone-down, kinda guy....now I'm the complete opposite, that proves that anyone can get good at this stuff.

I truly started from zero, so every improvement for me is a true gift that is no less than the result of my struggle and efforts in this game, and I find sharing it with everyone is good because I get to re-think my mindset and objectives, and hopefully some of you guys get something from this.

So yesterday, I leave my building, and there's this cute chick who's at the bus stop. I'm walking with over-alpha BL and I cross the street, she also crosses and I open with "Hey, you lost or what?"

Her: Do I look lost?
Me: Haha, that handbag you have, I think it would actually match with MY clothes better (it was red-white and I was wearing red-white). (I grab the handbag and walk away)
Her: Hahaha
Me: Look at you, you're like fine, take my handbag, it looks good on you!
Her: You're so charming! (is this an IOI????, lol, jokes)
Me: So what are you hiding in the bag? Guns or roses?
Her: Neither haha, my paintings, I'm moving (she was moving from my building [nice, another neighbor] to a place 2 streets away)
Me: Show me.
Her: (opens her bag, shows me her paintings)
Me: Wow, I find that so sexy in a woman...creativity
Her: Hehe
Me: Listen, I'm walking that way, let's go.
Her: (couldn't close her briefcase, I went over and fixed it for her)...it's so heavy (it really was, I don't like women carrying heavy shit)
Me: I'll carry it for you, where do you live?
Her: 2 streets away
Me: Ok, let's get going, I'm in a little rush
Her: You're such a sweet charming guy
Me: Yea wtv
Her: Heheh

So we walk to her house and in my mind I'm like...she's already attracted to me so no need to DHV the shit out of her (yet I still did a bit)...instead I ask her about herself, she keeps asking me about my name, my nationality, my age, questions that I all somehow diverted or told stories about.

I go to her place...turns out she's almost 30 (looks 23-24)...she tells me her lover died 7 months ago and she has 3 kids (very young).

I show her how very comfortable I am at her place, I further qualify, I continue light incidental kino (I had began with kino on the small of her back on the street and stuff).

At some point I touch her and she says "don't touch me, I haven't been touched by a man in 7 months", to which I responded with "It's going to be allright" and I held her in my arms, putting her head on my chest.

This is 10 minutes into the sarge.

She tells me she sings and I ask her to show me her music, she does...and I feel like kissing her....I turn her head towards mine, grab the back of her neck with the palm of my hand, and give her a light kiss, I could feel her breathing get so much deeper and her heartbeat get faster, and her pupils dilated...

Her: What are you doing?
Me: Just doing what feels right
Her: We don't know each other
Me: You're right I can't believe how spontaneously and naturally we were meant to meet
Her: I never thought I'd meet someone today
Me: Me neither (lol)

Her: You're not a maniac are you?
Me: Of course I am, I suggest you call the police, I'm a real maniac.
Her: Seriously though
Me: Me, ya seriously, I'm a maniac

So I stay at her place a bit and I can feel she's bit horny but I've had enough of the quick-lays where I don't ever hear from the girl again....so I tell her I need to get something and we go to Provigo and bounce back to my place with the excuse of me needing her opinion about something.

As we're walking to my place she's like,

Her: So you got a gf?
Me: Haha, lol, what's that question for?
Her: hehe, do you, you must have so many women in love with you
Me: You're such a funny girl!
Her: I'm not jealous or anything but imagine if some girl just surprises us at your apartment
Me: Well, we can have her join in the fun!
Her: Hehe

I get to my place (damn I love how I've set up my place), she's automatically drawn into the mood, setup (I always have dimmed lights and light music playing at my place when I walk in).

She tells me she's feeling so hot, not because it's hot but because I make her hot.
I go in for the kiss again, make out. I grab her hand, put it on the dick, she starts playing with it.

I keep going close to her lips and she wants to make out and as soon as she goes for the kiss, I move away, she's like breathing heavily.

This is like 25 minutes into the sarge.

Now, I move away because she starts saying that she really really has to drop something off somewhere and wants to be back in 30 minutes. In my mind I'm thinking, FUCK, she leaves she falls out of state but at the same time, 30 minutes is nowhere close to 7 hours and I DON'T WANT ANY MORE ONE NIGHT LAYS. If I go through the trouble of getting the lay once, I want it over and over again, so there needs to be comfort. I don't even like going to clubs anymore, and I certainly don't like going to clubs just to get useless make-outs....very useless.

So I tell her to go and ask her if I can count on her to be back in 30 minutes sharp, she agrees.

She doesn't come back, I make other plans instantly and I leave, she calls and says she has to finish up some office work and if we can catch up sometime, I say, ya, and I hang up on her.

Now, most of you will say, DUUUUUUUUUUDE she was so hot and horny for you....ya I know. But a lot of women have been, and I am also the master of attracting them quick and then creating mad buyer's remorse in them.

I thought to myself, comfort needs to be built, I don't want to dick her up and then feel like she regrets fucking me and disappearing.

Picking up a girl from the street has always been one of my dreams, and I've done it a few times but never with such quick sexual escalation, something tells me though, this is only the beginning of a journey where this type of thing will be happening a LOT.

It's all in the energy, all the techniques, all the routines, it's all secondary. ENERGY is the most important thing. You need to work on inner game, have a solid identity of yourself, be a real man, come into terms with who you are, always put a positive spin on thing, only focus on the good, the bad doesn't exist...

I don't care how DUMB this sounds but the most powerful thing as a man is IMHO, giving OFF that powerful positive vibe...the one women are magnetically attracted to....I'll just add a little something to finish this off...this whole issue is like another FR.

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Yesterday, I knocked on another one of the doors in my building, cause the janitor used to live there (turns out he moved and now the HOTTEST fucking Mulatto girl lives there). I started teasing her about living in that place and how she's weird and stuff....all the normal stuff the "techniques" would probably teach you, but with ONE fundamental difference, my energy was NOTHING like what it was a year ago when I STARTED applying these techniques...

So I'm telling this girl a story, and I'm like, omg, gotta show you something crazy, it's this video, so I take out my phone, and as I pull it out...she's like 514-123-4506....she GAVE me her fucking number! I didn't even ASK, I just took out my phone to show her a freaking video! How did I react might you ask?

Her: 514-123-4324
Me: Haha, what's that, your number?
Her: Ya, weren't you gonna ask me for it?
Me: Not really, I don't know you, but ok, if you really insist, what is it?
Her: (gives it again and I jot it down)

I've been also having women SMILE at me on the streets and at school...this is just a tremendous change in such a short time...I feel like I'm in another planet when it comes to my game sometimes, it's really improving day by day.

Part of this energy I'm talking about is developed with time (some of you will probably think, wtf is energy, it's so imprecise, what's it mean, it's such a dumb broad statement....yes it is). It's something you internalize, it's that whole congruent MIX of being positive, very sweet, yet not taking shit from anyone, being just slightly arrogant but loving everyone, wanting what's best for everyone because YOU KNOW you're not necessarily better than everyone, but you KNOW you're the BEST that you can be!

I've noticed a lot of women actually respond to me better when I don't actively game the shit out of them Mystery-style because despite the science in Mystery's game, I find sometimes that type of game is actually showing the person you're very eager, I find Mystery invests a WHOLE lot in the interaction way too early before she's even DESERVED that type of energy investment. But anyway, each person has their game, so r-e-s-p-e-c-t. I find when I lean back, i.e, I passively game them, they start gaming ME more, when they do, subconsciously they're becoming more and more interested and I just qualify them. It's more powerful than going in overly eager with 1001 cute techniques, routines and gimmicks.

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Sebastian Drake:
Founder of the Approach, Producer of Master the Vibe (www.masterthevibe.com)

Perspective... a man who dazzles, and sparkles in conversation. He can be seen across a bar chatting effortlessly, leading a discussion, or running a social circle. When he speaks with men, women, anyone - he has a theoretically infinitely large number of things to talk about.

He goes on for hours, and it's enchanting and a treat to hear him speak. Girls giggle as he speaks into their ear, men nod their heads in approval. He flows... his conversation flows... and time passes quickly when with him, as new and interesting things are thought and discussed.

There are many nuances of conversation, but one of the most important ones is being able to take material you're given and flush it out into full conversations. With the ability to "threadcut" you can flush out good conversations, navigate away from bad conversations, and talk about what you want to talk about, when you want to talk about it. It is, quite simply, mastery over conversation.

It Starts at Situational Relevance

Master conversationalists innately understand the concept of "Situational Relevance" - that's being relevant to the situation at hand. The easiest way to understand Situational Relevance is through what happens when a guy isn't SitRel when talking to a woman. She'll say something like:

"What?"
"Huh?"
"That was random..."
"Why are you asking me that?"

Situational Relevance is not an objectively judged characteristic. If something feels SitRel, it is SitRel. This is all about perception.

This can be used to your advantage.

How to Generate Infinite Conversation Material:

The easiest way to create the appearance of Situational Relevance is to take one word or phrase out of a sentence, and use that word or phrase in another, unrelated sentence. This in fact creates the appearance of Situational Relevance. The classical example is:

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

Isolate every meaningful word in the sentence. They are:

Cold
Snowy
Warm
Clothes
Went out
Built
Snowman
Inside
Hot chocolate

Any sentence using one of those words or phrases - with the meaning of the word unchanged - will sound relevant to the situation.

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "Yeah? I don't really like the cold... I love the seasons in New England, but I'm just about ready to move to Los Angeles so it's never cold."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "Oh really? I got caught in the record blizzard last year... it was funny, it was on a Wednesday I think, but I actually had the day off. So when I went outside, there were these huge piles of snow on either side of the road, but the roads and sidewalks were clear."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "Wow, I like getting and staying warm. I remember when I was a kid, I had the biggest, heaviest blanket - ever. It was a gigantic heavy blue blanket with a picture of a mean looking grizzly bear on it. Loved that thing..."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "That's cool... yeah, I actually messed up. I was cleaning out my closet and gave a lot of stuff to the Salvation Army, but I didn't realize just how much of my winter stuff I gave away. When it started getting cold, I actually had to use like Fall clothing and layer it a lot."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "Yeah, I really like nature, going out, having fun with friends..."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "It's always cool to see little things you build come to life... from a snowman to an igloo to a tree house, there's just something to it."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "Really? Wow that's cool. When I was a little kid, we actually had a big hill right beside our house, so we'd roll snowballs down it, then push them back up, and roll them back down until we created absolutely massive snowmen."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "That's nice to be able to come inside and get warmed up... I actually just moved to a new apartment with a fireplace, and it's, like, the greatest thing ever. I love coming home in the wintertime."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "Mmmm... you know which country has the best chocolate in the world? Amsterdam. I don't know what the Dutch do - I don't think they put drugs in it... but the hot chocolate is so good there."

How It Works

Threadcutting: You pull one word or phrase out of the conversation, then use the word or phrase to form your next sentence or set of sentences. If it's really out there, you use a few transition words like, "That reminds me...", "Oh really?", or "Yeah, I..." - this shows that you're acknowledging what they're saying, and then moving on to do more.

Using Overarching Themes to Generate Even More Conversation

In addition to the words and phrases used in conversation, you can also employ "overarching themes" - these are elements that aren't directly said, but are implied by the conversation.

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

Overarching themes:

Climate
Weather
Dress
Outdoors
Playing
Acting like a kid again
Creating things
Coming home
Indulging
Sweets
Hot drinks

Any of those could be used to create a new sentence as well, via the same threadcutting format.

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "Yeah, the weather here is crazy... I'm never sure what it's going to be one day to the next, but I love being able to make the best of it and go for a quick hike, or skiing, or building a snowman one random day."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "It's so much fun to act like a kid... just the other day, I was driving with my friend, and we saw this big, beautiful, green grassy hill, and we totally stopped, pulled over, ran up to the top, and rolled down it. Most fun I've had in a real long time."

"It was cold and snowy outside, so we got on warm clothes, went out, and built a snowman - then came inside and had hot chocolate."

-> "I absolutely love a great hot drink. My favorite is chai tea, with just tons and tons of cinnamon in it."

When and How to Use the Force

Use threadcutting when you're bored with or don't enjoy a conversational topic, something is going stale, or isn't conducive to a great interaction. If the topic becomes too serious, too sad, or too tense for your tastes, take one word or theme from the last sentence she said, and flip it into a new sentence via threadcutting. Don't worry about conversations logically flowing when you're first meeting new women: instead, focus on moving through a wide variety of fun topics and connecting on new and interesting things.

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Jason King (www.makeoutmastery.com/):

I've been reading a parable about wealth building called 'The Richest Man In Babylon'. It's supposed to be one of THE books to read in order to learn the secret laws of wealth, and I can now see why it's earned that reputation.

Here's a link to read about it on Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/0553102877/?tag=widgetsamazon-20

As I'm reading, I notice how similar the process of building wealth is to the process of becoming good with women. There's one quote in particular that grabbed me. One of the poor men in the story was crediting fate for making the richest man in Babylon so rich, while people like him to remain poor and live a lowly life (if you've ever felt jealous of a man who can attract beautiful women with ease, then this might be you):

The richest man in Babylon responded:

"Fickle Fate is a vicious Goddess who brings no permanent good to anyone. On the contrary, she brings ruin to every man upon whom she showers unearned gold. She makes wanton spenders, who soon dissipate all they receive and are left beset by overwhelming appetites and desires they have not the ability to gratify.

"Yet others whom she favors become misers and hoard their wealth, fearing to spend what they have, knowing that they do not possess the ability to replace it. They further are beset by fear of robbers and doom themselves to live a live of secret misery."

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HOW THIS RELATES TO US
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Have you ever known a PUA who, by some stroke of dumb luck, managed to score with the kind of woman he normally could never get? Did she stick around, or did he sabotage his success due to his inability to keep a woman like her interested in him?

How often do you find yourself lusting after that HB10 at the club, wishing that you knew the magic words to make her desire you? While it's great to have that end goal in mind, I've found that too many new PUA's get caught up in only wanting to date women that have always been out of their league.

Think of the person who is completely broke, living paycheck to paycheck, and who is spending all his money on expensive clothing, furniture, and a cool car... all in pursuit of living the lifestyle of someone wealthy. The difference between that person and someone who actually IS wealthy is also addressed in this book as well.

Here's a quote from the book when a poor person was talking about how tempted he would be to steal the richest man in Babylon's "fat purse full of money" if he'd met him in an alley.

"Nonsense. A man's wealth is not in the purse he carries. A fat purse quickly empties if there be no golden stream to refill it."

Think about the implications here. Think about the PUA's you've met who walk around constantly telling themselves things like:

I'm the prize.
I only date 10's.
A woman would should be grateful to be with me...and other egotistical, childish bullshit just like that.

Those are the words of a little boy, not a man who is universally attractive to beautiful women. A man who is skilled with women truly has no fear of losing his "fat purse full of money" (his attractive girlfriend), because he's got the ability to refill that purse with ease.

Pretending to be that kind of man does not make you one.

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I personally think it's better to start where you are, and move up the scale once the demand exceeds the supply. If you're currently dating 5's and 6's, then get to the point where you're good enough to date a handful of them at once. Get good enough to be able to consistently get the phone number AND START A RELATIONSHIP WITH a 5 or a 6.

If you have never dated above a 6 or 7, then don't be naive and claim that you will only date 9's and 10's from now on. That's like saying, "I've always been broke, and have lived in a small apartment, but from now on... I'm only going to live in an expensive condo in the center of downtown Boston."

It doesn't matter if that person can afford the down payment. If they don't have the 'golden stream' that allows them to easily pay their mortgage, they'll soon find themselves homeless (or in our case... single and alone once again).

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I used to take karate when I was younger. One thing I always noticed about new students is that they were eager to skip right past the basic moves, and go right into the jumping back roundhouse kick (like Jean Claude Van Damme used to do all the time).

That kick is really hard to do well, and even harder to use in a street fight. The moves that win a fight are the simple ones... the roundhouse kick, the sidekick, and the straight punch (or a knee to the nuts).

I've shifted my attention away from lusting after the higher end results, and have focused more on developing my ability to simply cause people to like me and want to form an active friendship with me.

I've also spending time attracting the kind of women I'm comfortable with, and to whom I'm attracted. Sometimes that means they're a 7. Sometimes they end up being a 5 or 6.

And while other PUA's walk around with their noses up in the air, I've got an open relationship with a great woman who is eager for me to find women for us to have threesomes with. I've also proven to myself that I can date (and sleep with) as many as five women simultaneously.

As I continue to learn more and improve my abilities (and sense of self-worth), my tastes in women also become more refined as well.

If you're reading this, and you've been sitting on your high horse... deciding that some women are worth getting to know, while others who are below their 'ranking' aren't... just know that there's another way to play this game. And it's a lot more fun.

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Carlos Espino:

I think the being yourself issue is not complicated or contradictory at all . In fact it is as simple as this: Are your words or actions oriented to getting a woman's approval? Then you are NOT being yourself. You are NOT centered, if that is the case . You are just a facade.

Your facade can take different forms:

Nice guy

"pick up artist" /entertainer

jerk/badboy

etc.

If you use any of the above strategies to get a woman's approval, then you are NOT being yourself. IF, on the other hand, you are any of the above WITHOUT CARING if the woman approves or disapproves of you, then You ARE being yourself.

Many people get to the community and they go from Super Nice Guys to the other extreme. From one facade to another facade.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with being nice as long as you don't do it to get women's approval. In fact, people who come across as nice, unattractive guys that happens to them because they are NOT AUTHENTICALLY nice, it is just a facade they use to manipulate women and get their approval.

If you are authentically nice, you can be attractive (of course, you WON'T OVERDO it because you are NOT using being nice as a tool to manipulate women).

(And you won't put up with their bs either, because you are nice as long as they are nice.)

When a woman says "Be Yourself," what she means is 'do what ever you want to do without trying to IMPRESS OTHERS or GET THE APPROVAL OF OTHERS.'

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MINI-ANNOUNCEMENTS (includes promos of new sites, podcasts, events, products, etc.)

See the on-line version of this email at www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for more details about many of the following - once on the "Letter" page on the website, scroll down to the Promo section where you will see the Maxi-Announcements.

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- Neil Strauss (Style) is about to release his latest PUA book following the huge success of The Game. The new book, Rules of The Game, can be pre-ordered here: www.amazon.com/dp/0061540455/?tag=widgetsamazon-20

- Zan Perrion has just launched his new Natural Game forum at www.naturalgame.com. A quote from Zan on the philosophy of the new forum: "It is time for change. I truly believe there is a next level of interaction between men and women that wants to be created on this earth. A Seduction Community 2.0, in a sense. We have hit the boundaries of what it is possible to explore. Like the early adventurers, crafting rickety canoes and rafts with tenuous sails, we have ventured out into the unknown sea and gone as far as these early vessels could take us. To explore further, to discover new lands, to be true treasure hunters, we need faster and better ships... This is the essence of natural game..."

- Temple Temptress a.k.a Suzy Bauer: The "Threesome PUA Secret Society" is ready to launch Dec. 20, 2007 after 3 years in the making. Suzy's developed a community for hedonists and she's looking for people who would like to take their erotic lives to the next level. If you consider yourself "open minded" or a hedonist or if you're or (would like to be) experienced on "The Lifestyle" you should check out the 90 second video Suzy has put together. By the way, If you're also interested in having a threesome, Suzy has claims that with her insights she's going to help 125 have a threesome before December 31st 2007! For further information: www.suzybauer.com/ The promotional video is tantalizing, throwing out the following names without more details implying that this is a joint project with these teachers: "Moore" (Laura Moore, who did a DYD interview?), Shade (must be David Shade who has appeared at both the Cliff's List Conventions www.masterful-lover.com/ebook.html), Bauer (which is Suzy Bauer who almost spoke at the Cliff's List Conventions www.stepbystepthreesome.com/), Mr. Z (www.ladiesrightnow.com/index.html), "King" (could this be Jason King (www.makeoutmastery.com/ whose article appears above?), and it hints about some limit to 125 only. More info on the Threesome PUA Secret Society at: www.suzybauer.com/

- Payton Kane has revised his new powerhouse website and has his spectacular new Home Study Course available: www.seduceandconquer.com/

- Scot McKay has just launched the VIRTUOSITY series, featuring over two-dozen of the most respected names in men's attraction and seduction advice. With six full sections, the amount of sheer value in Scot's new program challenges any advanced series ever produced. Best of all, Scot's character-based approach is very evident throughout. VIRTUOSITY deserves serious consideration by any man who is through with trickery and quick-fixes and is ready to deserve the highest echelon of women on Earth. Full coverage of online dating that rivals stand-alone products elsewhere is one of the many pluses, and even 1-on-1 time with Scot is included. This is a groundbreaking release which is sure to raise the bar. Check it out at: www.thechickwhisperer.com/exclusive/ You can also get his flagship ebook product Deserve What You Want here: deservewhatyouwant.com/ebook/

- Gabrielle Moore has prepared an eye-opening video about the G-Spot orgasm. Gabrielle is the author of the now-famous book "The Female Orgasm Revealed". And now Gabrielle decided to take her intimate advice to the next level. You´ll be impressed (just as I was!) To watch the video now, go to:
www.thegspotcode.com/afvideo.html

- Jorj has some interesting products available including the "Attraction Magnet" (more details in the full Promo section which is below, only on the website) www.magicalmindpower.com/lovepower.htm

- Carlos Xuma is preparing to release his latest DVD program - "Alpha Lifestyle: Triple-Threat." Ever wondered how to tie up all the elements of pickup into a COMPLETE lifestyle? The Triple-threat shows you. See the details here: www.thealpharules.com/meet-women-build-confidence/

- Magnus of Bristol Lair fame has written a book on Emotional Freedom Technique, with a PUA supplement on improving your Inner Game. The free videos on his site take you through how to use the techniques to reduce your approach anxiety and feel good in the field. There's also an hour-long seminar explaining how the technique works. www.innergametapping.com/

- Magnus: My buddy Sheriff is running a 30 day challenge for guys, with a $1,000 top prize. All you've got to do is keep an online journal, and go out every night. Free to enter, and should super-charge your game. www.growyourgame.com/

- We're all in this game for the simple fact that we love women, right? If you're like me, you probably like being able to please them in ways that no other man has. Though we all can't study at the feet of a sexual shaman like Steve P. or Hypnotica, we can still easily increase a woman's pleasure... go here to learn more about The Screaming O www.thescreamingo.com/

- Steve Taylor, a.k.a. Lifeguard, teaches guys how to become a cool, confident, fun and sexy guy that women love. You can sign up for a live workshop or Distance Coaching at www.confidentimage.com or visit his blog: datingskillsforrealmen.blogspot.com

- Any girl deserves a chance to be presented with a choice... and we sometimes need to forgive and forget the people who made us create negative assumptions about the new women we meet... www.NoNonSenseLife.com - It's written in both English and Spanish

- How to attract women Naturally! Check out Cameron Teone’s Building Attraction Secrets. What makes this book any different or unique to other books? The fact that it makes a perfect symbiosis between inner game and outer game on the one hand, and the theoretical and practical on the other hand as well as implementing the very important concepts of lifestyle and masculinity in a very practical manner that will change your life forever. Check it out at www.attractwomenanywhere.com/ebook.html

- ACE is a specialist in the art of charisma and teaches workshops. Email acepua@gmail.com to arrange a place.

- Jake Rockford: How to separate the men from the boys: Finally there is an "all-in-one" toolbox for ultimate success for today's Urban Renaissance Man. Whether you want natural And simple ways To meet, attract, and date The women Who Are Right For YOU, learn how to get a kick-butt, no-nonsense workout in as little as four minutes while saying 'Goodbye' to health club fees, or master ancient and powerful tantric secrets of multiple orgasm for both you AND her, "The Dangerous Book" has it all! All this plus a goldmine of games, puzzles, bar bets, and impromptu magic tricks for fun and fascination anywhere, anytime and time-tested tools to build focus, intention, and creativity... The Dangerous Book is here to help you be your absolute best! www.thedangerousbook.net/Check_it_out.html

- Lucas J. West : You can sign up for my email list at www.LucasWest.com. The second or third email you'll get gives you a direct link to everything I've put out over the past year. I recommend reading the Rapport Report and the Path of Least Resistance as your major starting points (they're both free). As for Demonic Confidence, that's at www.DemonicConfidence.com. Guys can contact Lucas if they already have decided they want a Skype hypnosis session with a reputable professional by sending him an email at lucas@lucaswest.com.

- New product release: "The Naturally Magnetic Male Conditioning System." Are you interested in developing a high level of charisma and personal magnetism that will help you in EVERY area of your life? The 15 clear cut steps use progressive conditioning, the best charisma techniques and traits of naturals to bring out the magnetic male already living within you. puahelpdesk.com/

- Lisa Lloyd offers "The Only Real Lesbian Seduction Guide For Men" which she claims will give you a head start on other men when dating. The guide reveals dating methods from a lesbian perspective, as "a fascinating insight into a woman's mind/body and she answers questions such as "Why can't women say no to other women?" www.lesbian-seduction-guide.com/

- Attract and Date has released the new Home Study Course: 10 students filmed on a Workshop where everyone had, at least, a date from the street. Great quality of picture and sound! Everyone is wired with audio and action is totally realistic. You get to see their shining successes and big failures also. See and HEAR for the first time students like a 40 year old scientist that never approached on the street with Sharks "I like you" and getting fantastic results! Go to www.AttractAndDate.com to see 50 screen shots from the DVD Course. Get inspired!

- Brother Kermit has just published I'm A Man, That's My Job: The Philosophy of a Seducer, A Complete Inner Game Workbook. Here is the link: www.lulu.com/content/875062 You can buy it for $49.95 US. It has all the lists, plus more. The rules of relationships The base life philosophies AND A description of the 10 stages of development from Loser to Seducer to Natural. This book also has charts to track your development.

- Most dating "gurus" talk about inner game, but fall far short in actually providing you with practical solutions for solving your inner game issues. With his Hypnotica's program, "Ultimate Inner Game", you can transform your mind and emotions in just days! www.ultimateinnergame.com/

- DiClassified DRILLS! Vin DiCarlo of DiCarlo DiClassified has released his new drill-based training, which boasts a total of 36+ real time drills specifically designed for pick-up training. Drills based-training develops your game in a way that is systematic, effective, personalized, natural and best of all, fun! The curriculum can be found at www.vindicarlo.com/drills

- Thundercat's Art of Approaching is available here: www.artofapproaching.com/

- Want to master your sex life? Male escort and liv e s ex performer NathanX leads a team of male and female s ex instructors in their intensive and popular workshop “Sexual Mastery for Men”.. They teach what 99.9% of guys do not know and will never know. Where PUA skills end, sexual mastery skills begin. PUA skills enable you to get the girl. Sexual and relationship management enables you to keep her in the sort of relationships you want. Workshops also include a live demonstration of techniques! What they teach at MYSL is the real deal. No one else in the world is teaching what they teach. Free videos, audios and blog. www.masteryoursexlife.com/

- Doc, a featured speaker at both the 2005 & 2006 Cliff's List Conventions, is holding seminars. For more info go to his new site at www.TrueLifeSkills.com.

- David Wygant has a number of products available, including his Men's Audio Mastery Series (a complete 8 volume set), his book for men, Date to Win, his Girls Tell All Audio Series, one on Pickups and one on Secrets of Sex, his book Meet Someone Today, his audio product What's Your Excuse, and his original signature book Always Talk to Strangers. More info at: www.davidwygant.com/

- Cardinal just wanted to let you know that he's going to release The Cardinal Flight Plan (CFP) Ebook soon. He's so confident that this book is going to be a hit, he's going to offer the first 25 people a free copy! Yup, the first 25 people to visit Seductiontech.com will get a free copy. He will send out a mass email once he officially releases the CFP... Go to Seductiontech.com and sign-up for his newsletter, and be sure to watch your email.

- In the Toronto area Christiano has been teaching men to work from their inner game to outer game in a way that is congruent to their identity. Most see results after being taught the skills in the workshop immediately. Find out more by visiting: bestnaturalgame.com.

- Ron Louis & David Copeland have put out a new ebook "How to be the Bad Boy Women Love." Find out more at howtosucceedwithwomen.com/htg/

- New Book/Audio release: "Park Bench Dating." Are you currently meeting women in the day time? Do you know how easy it is to get a quality number in a few minutes, just as you go through your day? Written by Art, an NYC dating coach, who came from PUA community and turned pure natural. Covered by The New York Times and ABC Television, his methods of meeting in the day time are so effective simply because they are so easy to use everyday. www.ParkBenchDating.com

- Uncle Ruckus has started a new YouTube show called "The Nice Guy Show" and he'd like for you to watch. You can also visit his home page at www.adviceonwomen.com. He plugs Cliff's List on a recent one, too!

- Society "Of Cool" - Description of Group: Simple: This place is for all of you dudes and chicks who are rad cool and want to step their game up in life with wealth building(money) and relationship building (women/men). Living a healthy lifestyle is considered "cool" as well.. This place is ONLY FOR COOL PEOPLE. If you are a beta male, chump, nerd, loser, you are getting your a$$ banned! Visit this Link: www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=1

- Here's a neat one, originally proposed to me by Johnny Soporno. Take one of these pills daily (male or female) and taste sweet: sweetsecretions.com/cgi-bin/ustorekeeper.pl

- Gigi has just launched a new website: www.puaratings.com PUA Ratings evolves around a rating system for PUA products, where you can rate and write your own reviews about your favorite (and not so favorite) seduction products or boot camps, and read what others have to say about them, before you make a purchase. The site also features a 'PUA Comparison Engine', a tool that will become more and more viable as more reviews enter the system. There's also a forum and a live chat where live events will be hosted. So make your opinion count - sharpen your keyboards and start writing reviews!

- Rion Williams has announced and released his pioneering 'Secret to Women' video, downloadable eBook and podcast. Something as ambitious as that just has to be seen for yourself. www.secretofwomen.com/resources.htm. Rion has also released the community/content site 'AboveTheGame.NET.' Its got articles, blogs, user profiles, an active forum, chat and more. You can even create your own blog and submit your own dating/seduction content or questions. The community is focused on how to be a 'natural' ladies man. www.abovethegame.net

- Herbal, one of the characters made famous by The Game, has finally released an ebook after taking some time away from the community. He also offers a free 10 Day E-Mail Boot camp." For more information, visit www.makeherchaseyou.com/

- Captain Jack has a couple of new products out, check these out:

1) The Warrior-King Society: Freedom, Money, Sex and Power Crush Previous Income Levels, Recapture Lost Sexual Vigor and Health, Rediscover Your Innate Masculine Instincts and Drive So You Can Dominate Your World and Become King of Your Own Ideal Life --Like You were Destined To... Captain Jack's Warrior King Society: www.thewarriorkingsociety.com/

2) Captain Jack's Six Week eCoaching Program for Discovering How to Sexualize Your Game, Blast Through Sticking Points and Build a Social Circle in Just 42 Days www.betheseducer.com/

- Cardinal (www.Seductiontech.com): Puanetwork.com Web 2.0 Live! I just wanted to let you know that the New Web2.0 Version of the Puanetwork is up and live. Since the show aired, the puanetwork has really picked up! Ignore my PUN =) Come join the fastest growing social networking site for the community!

- How to be an all-around cooler person - completely free, practical advice for guys on social skills, getting along with people, and getting your act together - all written by a recovered loser. Not everyone will need to read the material here, but take a look if you think you could benefit from improving your people skills before diving into the seduction game. Feel free to check it out at www.howtobecooler.com

- Jordan has a new podcast out about pickup. The content is, and will continue to be, 100% free and doesn't push any particular method or commercial product/workshop, etc. The website is www.pickuppodcast.com

- LayGuide was the original inspiration for Neil Strauss to write "The Game" and is still the most thorough and continually updated collection of the best dating, attraction and seduction tips in the world: www.layguide.com/

- In The Game by Neil Strauss, "TwoTimer" is talked about as one of the top players. His more commonly known handle is IN10SE, and his "Octoberman Sequence" has been whispered about and become a LEGEND in the on-line Pickup artist community. It's rumored to give a woman ULTIMATE pleasure and you ULTIMATE control - in as little as 15 minutes! Only the BEST of the BEST know it. Check it out here: www.octoberman.com/

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LAIR SECTION

(Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women).

More Lair Listings can be found at dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at www.bristollair.com, as well as at www.seductionlair.com:

A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:

If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/

LAIR GROUP

If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers. Join this group (lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (www.lairlist.com/).

HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:

- Lair meetings are scheduled currently once a month on Sundays. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. The Lair now has a magnificent new online discussion forum that was put together by Loveur.

The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.

Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):

MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!

Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.

NEW FRENCH MONTREAL LAIR FORMED

Good news! Montreal has now a FRENCH Lair! Oui! Ever wanted to be part of a lair without having to learn another language?
- A lair which would offer you support
- A lair which would allow you to find new wingman
- A lair where you would be able to learn
- A lair where you would be able to share
- A lair which would offer occasions to sarge
- A lair where you would be able to conquer your fear
- A lair which would allow you to become a better PUA 100 times faster
And all that in FRENCH! Now is your chance! We've just opened our forum located at www.seduire.ca , registration are free. You can also apply to become a Montreal VIP which will offer you the possibility to be part of the best French PUA Team in Montreal. We also have a section dedicated to people of Quebec City cause we love you :) Note that the sooner you become part of our family, the sooner you'll be the person you want to become.
Many of our members are experts in specifics techniques such as Mystery Method, Juggler Method, direct/indirect techniques and know about their stuff. They are the people you want to hang with. As David DeAngelo too often said: "You want to befriend those people who've got the talent you want to have so you can learnwith them and from them." The forum is located at www.seduire.ca. We hope to see you there soon!

NEW LAIR IN TORONTO

Frank B Kermit's Toronto Seduction Lair
No Minors! No Hazing Rituals! No Membership Fees! No Referral Link 'Click Fees'! No Forced Paid Workshops to gain access! No Organized Pirating of Copyright Materials! No illegal activates nor criminal associations whatsoever! Fully MODERATED to encourage a 100% RESPECTFUL learning environment!
An Advanced Section for Gurus and Top Guys who have mastered basic game! Separate sections for Commercial announcements and seduction Discussions!
Seduction Gurus are WELCOMED directly into the Advanced Section! An Active Free Newbie System designed to bring up skill levels FASTER!
Men's Only Group (confidentiality and privacy assured)! A Seduction FOCUSED group, no distractions! www.torontolair.ca/

THE TORONTO LAIR

The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.

MORE TORONTO

There are at least two other PUA groups in Toronto:
www.torontophoenixsociety.com
and
www.torontolair.org

VANCOUVER SOCIAL BOARD

A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Victoria Social society

This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Calgary Social Group

This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

NEW SOUTH AFRICAN SEDUCTION LAIR:

The South African Seduction Lair unites guys from all the major cities in Johannesburg, Cape Town, Port Elizabeth and Durban. We have a excellent cultural mix and therefore the women are very diverse and different strategies sometimes need to be applied to achieve results. We have very experienced members in Speed Seduction, NLP, Direct Approach, Cocky & Funny, etc. We will introduce you to a key wingman in your city. And on our Google Group you can download free resources from all over the Internet. Contact ramon@ramonthomas.com for more info. Join here: groups.google.com/group/sa-seduction-lair

NEW BRIGHTON LAIR

Darklight wrote to announce the new Lair which has just been set up in sunny Brighton on the south coast of England. They are a small group of PUAs hitting up the bars, clubs, street and beaches of Brighton. People are welcome to join, all styles and skill levels -- so long as they are active in field. Contact them at uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/brightonpickup/ or at brightonpickup@googlemail.com

IRISH LAIR

The Irish Lair has 211 members and was started December, 2005. Its Lair Leader is Stealth and their website is: www.irishseduction.com/forum or you can contact: stealth.waves@gmail.com or xrockridgex@gmail.com

New Lair in Grenoble

www.verselejus.com/pua/index.php?topic=1247.0

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE:

I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporadically for sarging and for scheduled meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com.

AUSTRIAN PLAYERS

Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com

Also, a new board has been started named AUSTRIAN SEDUCTION COMMUNITY (ASC) and the Lair URL for that is www.austrianseduction.com. Ben and Rey can be reached at info@6system.info. Described as the next generation of PU-Communities! ASC supports you with: - public/private photo albums; Event calender & Lair meeting System; PU-Lexicon; Video Blog; personal Notes System; & the best German-speaking PUAs including 2 females!

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:

The lair can be found at groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA

I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.

SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS

AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA

I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER

Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA

Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.

EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED

Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/

ISRAEL LAIR:

For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to www.tironut69.com

DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING

For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:

An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in pursuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com

TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:

We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com Also, go to www.toplair.com/ for more information about PUA Lair activity in Tampa.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA

We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighboring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch

NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO

Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago

NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON

Edmonton Men's Social Improvement Club, a Registered Non-Profit Organization can be reached at: www.socialimprovementclub.org or by email: applicants@socialimprovementclub.org

SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA

The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.

PARIS PICK UP CLUB

Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com

BELGIUM: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com

An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com

An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS

There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.

NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE

The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.

DALLAS LAIR

The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: wingman.meetup.com/6/ or www.DallasSeductionLair.com

DALLAS PUA

DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum (www.dallaspua.com/forum), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to www.DallasPua.com

HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING

Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:

Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rock stars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):

The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night , 10PM in Norwich City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

OHIO LAIR FORMED:

An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.

VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP

The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/

NEW YORK CITY LAIR:

New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.

SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:

With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.

THIRD NEW YORK CITY LAIR STARTED:

NYC Wingman. Here is the Link : wingman.meetup.com/31/?gj=sj2

BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:

The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR

Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's constantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"

SCOTLAND LAIR:

There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.

BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:

To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:

The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.

ARIZONA LAIR

Arizona Pick-Up Artist: This lair was started in July 2004 by Cramias and J-Dog. We initially wanted to build a PUA community in Arizona to; improve our skills, have training resources, and especially encourage people in Arizona to actually get involved and wing together. As of Jan'05 we have 33 Arizona members and almost 200 members worldwide. Thousands of archived posts and more training resources under way. There is a wing contact list for Verified Arizonans only, and we have frequent lair meetings and many people now wing together. Visit www.ArizonaPUA.com. Contact jdog@arizonapua.com

ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:

The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu at SouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

THE INDIA LAIR

We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit www.indialair.com

BRISTOL LAIR

These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to www.bristollair.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:

If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!

The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:

A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:

No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at gpatel1981@yahoo.com

NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!

Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:

Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA

Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:

We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com

KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:

Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:

Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.

CONNECTICUT PLAYER'S LAIR:

CT Player's Lair now opens its membership to any PUA from the skill levels of RAFC to MPUA and lives in the CT, NY, NJ, RI, or Massachusetts area. We have our own private pick up knowledge base that all members may use as a resource to learn from and use in the field with us. Please register at: www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php. Registration is free until January 20th of Next Year!

NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:

Ottawa Lair yahoo group created groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/

NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:

The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:

A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:

We've formed a LAIR in Poland groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated forum where You can exchange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:

Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:

Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join.. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hot babes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.

ATLANTA LAIR:

Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:

A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:

The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:

Showing those surfer girls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.

NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):

A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:

The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:

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