I am NEVER wearing this stupid tie again

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THIS IS CLIFF'S PRIVATE LIST, A F*R*E*E* E-MAIL RELATING TO SEDUCTION

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CLIFF'S LIST UPDATES:

The "Cliff's List Project" continues. Work is progressing on both sites and we expect to be able to offer the 2006 DVDs for sale relatively soon. The project has grown dramatically and the ideas just keep coming. Expect to see Cliff’s List developments that will surprise and excite you!

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Konen:
See Style on Dave Navarro's Spread:
http://fsturl.com/l

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Claude:

Like a lot of guys, I have always found approaching hard but weirdly enough talking to what I call SITTING BIRDS doesn't appear so frightening...
why is that so? Waitresses, office girls, etc. are paid to be reasonably nice so unconsciously I don't have this fear of being rejected.

With regards to cold street approaches, I presently favor two techniques:
I go up to the milf and say 'you've dropped a 10 EURO NOTE...is it yours?"
SHE USUALLY SAYS NO. So I add, "What can we do with it...bla bla?" Then a little convo ensues and finally I say, "How about going to the local croissanterie and have coffee with me?

THE SECOND TECHNIQUE
"You got the time?"
"10 am"
"Thanks, how much do I owe you?"
"Sorry?"
"You've given me a service...how much?"
With a smile "200 EUROS? For less than that, I'll buy you a coffee."

I force myself to talk to three milfs each day. Otherwise, I am not allowed to go home and have another one of those mournful evenings as I find it unbearable to stare "at the wall of regrets."

No results, no dessert, no gratification, no reward. (Recalling SKINNER PREMACK BEHAVIORISM.)

I REALLY PARALLEL THE WHOLE PROCESS TO MY FEAR OF PUBLIC SPEAKING IN THE LATE SEVENTIES. I FINALLY CONQUERED MY ANXIETY BECAUSE I HAD TO. AS A TEACHER, NO TEACHING, NO BREAD ON THE TABLE!

PLEASE CHECK OUT "ANTAGONISTIC ANXIETY" by WOLPE (cognitive psychology)
http://fsturl.com/m

I am sure loads of our future PUA's would benefit from this article.

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pzn_player:

I went for the kiss, she moved away.
Her: I'm not letting you kiss me, we don't know where it will lead
Me: Hey, if you don't like my kiss, you can give it back to me!
Her: ...(no kiss) I'm not giving you sex.
Me: Giving? Sweetie...repeat after me, sex is not something you give or get, "sex is something you share"
Her: (she repeats it, smiling)

I didn't fuck her that night. But she sent me a Facebook message telling me she wants us to get together to do some things during Christmas.

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Ash:
STRANGERITIS (stran jer i tis) n., pl. -sitis. A social conditioning marked by fear and anxiety that prevent men from approaching attractive women

If strangeritis is left untreated, it can become a crippling disease so seek help immediately if you have any of these symptoms. Fear not bros, interesting fact is that the symptom is also a remedy. eg. if the symptom is 'I need to go pee' then you need to hurry and approach before you go pee, but don't pee on her. If that is my symptom, I will sit down instead of stand like a man to pee, if I don't approach before peeing. Here is a list of symptoms and if anybody has got any to add to this list, plz do:

1) Fear of talking to strangers (Strangersitis or Strangeritis)
2) Fear of rejection
3) Fear of saying something that may offend (I don't mean being rude )
4) Don't know what to say
5) She's out of my league/I don't have a chance
6) I'm in a hurry or she's in a hurry
7) I'm busy or she's busy
8) I'm with company or she's with company
9) I'm tired
10) I need to go pee (sometimes)
11) My leg is broken (she will help)
12) Fear of success
13) Fear of not knowing the person, or of the unknown
14) I look like crap
15) I'm not rich enough
16) She's on her cellphone (so wait til she gets off)
17) I already got sex this morning
18) I'm hungry/thirsty
19) I don't have my glasses
20) The bus/train is coming
21) I don't have enough game
22) I'm not good-looking enough
23) I'm not smart enough
24) I don't drive
25) My parents wouldn't approve of her
26) It's raining/snowing/hailing
27) I'll miss my favourite television show
28) She's attractive but not my type (so bed her not wed her, you may not be her type but it's just sex)
29) I need to post my number/email-close, day-2,3,... or lay-report
30) I have a headache
31) The music in this club/bar is too loud
32)... I don't have all night to post all the reasons why not to approach attractive women

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Gillette:

A Mature Man

I recently picked up a copy of Fire In the Belly by Sam Keen which is basically a book written for the liberation of men and for them to discover their masculinity. This subject has also been intensely discussed by David D in his On Being a Man product, but neither of these guys were lucky enough to have a set of Frank Kermit's emotional needs sitting around. So let's look at why a mature man has the needs that he does (and implicitly look at why not having these needs makes you immature/low-value).

1. Reputation - A mature man is one who knows that his life is one of purpose. He knows that his biological purpose is to survive and replicate. He knows that his social purpose is to attempt to make the world around him better. He knows that his spiritual or individual purpose is to fulfill the potential that he has been gifted with. Therefore, a mature man is only concerned with those things that are said about him which affect his ability to fulfill his purposes in life. He will not take insults to his attractiveness, his passion or his drive.

2. Recharge time - A mature man spends his days fighting to maintain control of the reality that he has built around him. He is always actively looking to find ways to fulfill his purposes in life and people who he may bring with him on his journey. This is why he places importance on the time he can use to recover and ready himself to set off on his journey once more. Not only this, but a mature man enjoys his time alone because he does not inherently need others since he is self-sufficient and therefore needs to withdraw from the chaos of life to center and remember that he is a man.

3. Minding the store - A mature man has spent his life building a reality around him that he is proud of and enjoys, thus, he looks for those to come into his life who can preserve his reality in times of crisis when he is unable to attend to it. He seeks those who have achieved a level of competence in living who will be able to ensure the safety of his reality in times when he unable to do so himself.

4. Compliance - A mature man is inherently a leader and thus looks for capable followers. He cannot lead if there is no one to follow and thus a mature man looks for those who will obey orders and help make decisions but who will always yield to his authority.

5. Nurture his social/personal environment - A mature man seeks those who will make his life easier. He knows that the battle to achieve his purposes in life is one against time and thus seeks those who will make the path to success smoother. He seeks a woman who will support him in his endeavors and seeks friends who can provide aid along the way.

6. Be the Secret Keeper - A mature man carries with him many secrets. He has knowledge of his flaws and weaknesses as well as information that could help him complete his journey. He needs to know that those in his life that he chooses to share this information with will keep this information to themselves. He needs to know that damaging information will not be disclosed and his plans for fulfillment will not be leaked.

7. Put Us First - A mature man requires loyalty. His inner circle comprises of his woman/women and close friends who he knows will put his interests above those of others, except perhaps themselves. A mature man has this need because he believes that he is the prize and thus is valuable. Those who would not ally themselves with something of value are clearly not worthy of being in his life.

8. SEX - A mature man is one who acknowledges that he is a biological animal and his driving biological need is one for sex. A mature man is one who has embraced his own sexuality and is unafraid to announce it.

9. Penis Identity - A mature man knows that that which defines him as a man is his penis. He accepts it into his identity and seeks a woman who understands this. This need is created in a man through a fundamental understanding that in order to achieve his goal of replication, he must accept the role of his penis in his life.

10. Femininity - A mature man who has embraced and enjoys his masculinity will need his woman to be feminine as contrast. She must exude femininity so that he can be masculine in comparison and so that he may never forget what it means to be a man.

Not possessing any one of these needs (i.e. not feeling like you have a need) is a failure to be a mature man and is probably indicative of an inner game issue.

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Metalhaze:
The essence of being Direct: on having no hidden agenda and letting go of the outcome

The first thing is to start by defining the word Agenda: "Something to be done, especially an item on a program or list."

For me I do NOT see "not having an agenda" to be synonymous for "not having a purpose" or "not taking action" or "being disinterested".

It could be semantics but having an agenda means that you expect something to be done and you expect something in return. Thus having an agenda turns you into being result-oriented or reaction-seeking.

When you have agenda, you tend to be disappointed when you do not obtain the results that you wanted. This is why to me, playing games and pretending to be something I'm not can make me reaction-based and result-driven i.e. her reactions to my "game" will determine my behaviour which in other words, displays a lack of self-confidence.

Some people say that charisma is the best aphrodisiac and I agree to that to a certain extent but to me, it's GENUINE confidence and being REAL i.e. being truly your self.

This can only be achieved by leading a life of self examination and self-knowledge. Overconfidence and arrogance are Ego-driven and thus displays neediness and insecurity. The Ego feeds on the approval and the validation of others. To put it differently, it feeds on attention.

This is why most girls get creeped out by "nice" guys since besides having lots of insecurities and neediness, these guys are not truly nice, they are using their niceness to get something in return… this is a subtle form of manipulation. "Nice" does not necessarily mean good. We all know that women are attracted to jerks because although they treat them badly, they are at least honest with themselves and most importantly they do NOT care about what others think about them. By getting rid of validation seeking, by handling our own insecurities and by accepting ourselves we stop becoming "needy" and this makes us attractive.

This is why "nice" guys sometimes turn bitter and start blaming women instead of blaming themselves.

"I wined her and dined her for 3 dates and then she said she only wants to be friends, now I'm pissed off!" Did he have a hidden agenda? Yes, he assumed that wining and dining her would imply casual sex. He can only blame himself for his reality.

Having no "hidden" agenda could be a better term and can clarify things more. Let's say the girl you are conversing with asks you bluntly and puts you on the spot: " So ...are you trying to hook up with me?!"

How would you reply? How would you handle it?

I would reply in a very calm and confident demeanor: "Definitely! I'm not gonna apologize for being attracted to beautiful, sexy and interesting women."

In my opinion this is what it means to "go after what we want and NOT apologize for being (heterosexual) men."

From then on, she can take it or leave it but I will still be myself since my state of being does NOT depend on her. This is what is called STRONG or DOMINANT behavior, i.e. not being easily influenced by other's reactions. If your friend gets into crime or drugs in some way or another and he influences you to get into it, then you do not have a strong sense of self.

Being dominant means conquering yourself and your ego first. When you detach yourself from the outcome and become honest with yourself & where you're coming from, you remove neediness and insecurities from the equation. Don't let your actions be dictated by your ego.

For me "not having an agenda" means being detached or indifferent from the outcome, so in other words NOT caring if I get what I want. Think of it as a "I want you but I don't need you" mindset.

This could sound selfish but it is not, this is called self-interest and there is a big difference. Being self-interested is putting your self first and is an honest behavior. You should kiss a girl or touch her because you like to taste her lips and not because you want to make her "feel" good.

Think about it, if you can't take care of yourself first, how can you take care of others?

This is why working and improving your self is attractive!

Selfish behavior is putting your self first at the "detriment" of others. In other words, playing games and manipulation is a kind of selfish game. Think about women who "trick" their bf's into marriage by "accidentally" getting pregnant or guys who trick women into believing that they want a long term serious relationship when all they wanted was a one night stand.

Actually NOT being selfish works to your self interest. You can't be a taker or a giver all the time. As Thomas Hobbes once said "if someone behaves selfishly towards society all the time he will live a life that is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." Being objective about your self and your needs & wants and seeking to understand other's needs and wants (empathy) is better than trying to please everyone and ending up miserable at the end.

So having no agenda for me does not mean not conveying your desires, interests and intentions and acting "not interested"; it means not being result driven and having no expectations whatsoever. So in other words you can be upfront, straightforward, and honest while being detached of the outcome.

How do you detach yourself from the outcome? by removing your Ego or fake-self from the equation and by putting your Real self out there "naked".

To do so it takes real balls! You can only invite her to follow you, but by trying to avoid rejection, you are only trying to force her into it. The more your force it, the more she will move away from you…let her chase you instead.

We are both choosers, I don't own her and she doesn't own me this is why I only focus on my behaviour. Her behaviour is beyond my control so I'm not here to please her, impress her, nor "chase" her. I can influence her behaviour to a certain extent but I should not do that by manipulation and it should be something she wants in the first place. Eg. helping her quit smoking IF she wants to do it for herself first. If she genuinely likes to smoke then let her be, take her or leave her but don't compromise your self if this is not what you are looking for.

Furthermore, women will then "test" you to see if you are for REAL and if you are GENUINE and have a BACKBONE or if you are just "pretending" to have all of the above.

Now if you apologize for your behaviour or what you said or believe in, then you have lost most of your power. Why? Because you were not consistent with yourself and you have allowed her reactions to dictate your behaviour. This implies that you can be easily manipulated and weak. Women do not respect men they can easily manipulate.

Never "chase" women...desire her instead. Chasing women means that your general happiness depends on her and puts a lot of value on her PUSSY. Her PUSSY is NOT scarce so its value is the same as your PENIS. A pussy is just a 25 cent size warm hole and that's it, it's not to be fawned upon. Do not fall into the pussy trap and believe that it's the last one on earth. Women like sex as much as you do and that's a REAL fact, keep that in mind.

Her looks and how much she "turns you on" should NOT dictate your behaviour, treat them all the same like you would treat any individual and know when to draw the line. Don't get me wrong here, women do not want to be treated as "cheap" or "sluts" and you shouldn't treat them as objects or blowup dolls. Make her genuinely feel special but do NOT make her PUSSY "holy". Know the difference.

By having NO EXCUSES for being yourself and accepting yourself with all your imperfections and weaknesses and becoming comfortable in your skin, you will remove most of your neediness and insecurities.

I will take a genuine "no" from a women with a smile on my face anytime over a "maybe". I don't like to waste my time on "maybe" people. Keep in mind that most girls are heavily conditioned by society to say No when they mean Yes and to be "uncomfortable" by the idea of casual sex so persist when she resists but leave her alone if she is truly disinterested and don't insist. Again, know the difference and remember that listening does NOT mean waiting your turn to talk...learn to listen with your eyes as well since body language is more important than words. Do not be too talkative, it's not sexy and it kills the mystery. Be a man of action not a man of words. Let her do the talking and qualify her by asking open-ended question to let her reveal her REAL self to you. Again, don't compromise what you believe in.

In conclusion, rejection is then irrelevant and is NOT personal. Remember: "no matter what her response, You are still you!" Don't try to avoid it as it can only work in your favour since it saves you from wasting your time & energy. I am only interested in women that are interested in the real me. Rejection helps me get there by weeding out women that are not interested in me. Furthermore, rejection is her being not interested; it does not mean that you are not enough. If you change your behaviour to please her then it means that you were not yourself in the first place.

Some women will like me and some won't; this is just a fact. I would rather be disliked for what I am than liked for what I am not. People have forgotten the word acquaintance and its meaning. Remember true friendship is earned and matures with time but a friendship based on non-reciprocated sexual tension we'll eventually become imbalanced. Don't fool your self.

If I am genuinely attracted to her then I let her know that she is my type of women. Women love attention and want to feel desired so give them genuine compliments but do not engage in excessive flattery.

Honesty hurts in the short run while lying and playing "games" only works in the short run. Women want a man who knows what he wants so focus on what you truly want and stop trying to control the outcome.

To me, The only real failure is failing to be yourself.

These are in general my thoughts.

PS: For further insight on being upfront and straightforward, please check out this interview Alan Roger Currie author of the book "MODEONE: let the women know what you're REALLY thinking" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKBlh4GzI4U

And be sure check out the LOST INTERVIEW with Bruce lee, who to me is a great philosophical inspiration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ0RF_QetSQ

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Scot McKay (http://www.thechickwhisperer.com/exclusive/):

BEING AN AVERAGE GUY WITH A HOTTIE

All too often in the world of dating advice we focus on how to fix what’s going wrong. As a change of pace this time around, let’s consider how life looks through the eyes of a guy who is doing something RIGHT.

If you are basically a rock star who looks like a GQ model, then this particular submission isn’t for you (or perhaps you can use this for the now-dreaded “entertainment purposes only”).

Whatever. Most of us aren’t that guy, so on with it.

Here’s the question du jour: Suppose you are a fairly average dude. How exactly do you know that you are in the company of a world-class hottie? Well, the obvious answer is, “Who cares? What’s important is that you like her.” And that’s all true, but it doesn’t make for a particularly interesting read.

So here below--cast to the wind with reckless abandon--is my personally-crafted list of a half-dozen distinct ways you can tell for sure the aforementioned phenomenon is going on:

1) FIRST CLASS TREATMENT

It’s like you woke up famous or something. But you didn’t. It’s not you, it’s her. Everywhere you go you are getting the freakin’ “red carpet” rolled out for you. People—men and women—are going out of their way to do special things for BOTH of you. This is pretty much the ultimate manifestation of social proof. Among the effects of this I’ve personally encountered are free drinks, front-row seats, airline upgrades, special discounts and “backstage passes”. Often, if this particular phenomenon doesn’t present itself it’s because the proverbial pendulum has swung the opposite way, and…

2) …PEOPLE YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW HATE YOU FOR NO REASON

Well, yeah…there actually is a reason. And—once again--it’s her. And others are just jealous, of course. You can expect the “FU” look from a lot of men. Don’t take it personally. They wish they were you, that’s all. Never mind that with an attitude like theirs they likely will NEVER BE “you”, that’s another topic altogether. Interestingly, when you are met with disgust by other women for no real reason, it’s often because THEY wish they were HER…which can be a nice feeling if you let it be. Then again, it’s equally as likely that they are as envious of her persona as they are of her male companionship. Nah…that can’t be, can it?

3) MEN LOOK--A LOT--EVEN WHEN THEY’RE WITH A WOMAN

Ever get the feeling you were being watched? She has…a lot. And you’re about to share the experience. Men are pretty much shameless, often blatantly snapping their heads around with an audible “Day-um”. Of course, some guys will even do this when they have a woman standing right next to them. It’s nuts. Other guys with highly evolved confidence levels of their own will acknowledge your good fortune either with a thumbs up or a “nice job, dude”. Usually, these are the same guys who do well with women themselves (and there’s a lesson there).

4) PEOPLE CHALLENGE WHY SHE’S WITH YOU

They could be complete strangers. Then again, they could be your “friends”. Whoever “they” are, they will come right out and ask the woman you are with why she’s with a guy like you. The direct version of this gambit plays out with questions like, “What do you see in this guy?” or “What’s a woman like YOU doing with a guy like HIM?” Indirect iterations would include, “So how did YOU TWO ever meet each other?” or “So how do you know each other?…I’m assuming you aren’t dating.”

5) GUYS HIT ON HER AS SOON AS YOU STEP AWAY FOR A MINUTE

All you did was excuse yourself to the men’s room. But when you come back, some guy is chatting her up. Get used to it, that’s the law of the jungle. Always be gracious in these situations. Don’t be jealous or lose your cool…remember she’s with you and it will likely stay that way as long as you can continue to be a man and separate yourself from the likes of men who do needy, tasteless stuff like, oh…hit on other dude’s women as soon as they excuse themselves to the restroom. But heads up—it’s not just the guys who are interested because…

6) …EVEN OTHER WOMEN FLIRT WITH HER

This is the wildest thing to witness I can think of, and by far the most stunning dynamic of the six I listed. You can be in a bar, a club, a restaurant or even an airport for that matter. Other women will behave in a decidedly flirtatious manner towards the woman you are with. The first few times this happens, you’ll be in a state of suspended disbelief. But there’s no doubt. Typically, she’s getting flirted with by women more than YOU get flirted with by women. The crazy part about that last part is that women are likely flirting with you TEN TIMES as much as usual simply because you are with her…and this bullet point is STILL true. And I almost forgot…you’ll actually get hit on by “lifestyle” couples quite a bit also—especially if the two of you are affectionate. The woman in such a couple will almost invariably initiate those situations, I’ve learned.

You may experience a scenario like unto one of the examples above, or all six. Moreover, stuff like this could happen once or twice on occasion or practically constantly. Even if one such event occurs, you probably have all the evidence you need that you are in fact an average guy with a super hottie. And if you find that ALL OF THE ABOVE happen with some regularity, then feel free to calibrate the truth of the matter accordingly. Whether it all is rather enjoyable to you or irritating to no end is a personal decision. Choose wisely.

Got stories of your own? Additions to the list? Think I’ve got it all wrong? E-mail your thoughts to scot@datetoorder.com

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Dragonkid of torontolair.ca:

I've Perfected Pickup with THE TIE

I like clothes. Always have. Dress is an opportunity to express myself that I really enjoy.

If I go out and buy some new stuff, it totally pumps my state for when I hit the streets.

This, incidentally, is why chicks love to shop. It's a short cut to positive emotions and confidence.

I've noticed an interesting phenomenon that I'd like to share.

Let's say I get a new tie. One that I'm sure will fit perfectly into my supremely stylish and tasteful collection. I try a shirt combo and I like the match. I know I look good in this outfit because, let's face it, I'm the shit and I just look good. Can I get an amen?

Now I'm in the club strutting it. For the whole night, when chicks approach me at least half of them comment on how much they like my tie. They touch it, stroke it and want to know more about it/me.

Damn, I say to myself. I'm gonna wear me this tie a WHOLE lot more often. This little beauty is going into my A rotation. Fuck that. I'm never taking it off. I'll wear the sumbitch swimming!

A few nights later it's that time again. Naturally, I decide to break out my secret weapon - The Tie. A tie that I notice is slightly wrinkled from spending the night on some HBs bedroom floor. No problem. I give it a quick ironing. There. Good as new and ready for battle.

This is gonna be so easy. With this thing on I'm James Fucking Bond, beotch. They don't stand a chance. Yup. I'm gonna enjoy this.

I hit the club ready to sit back and watch as the magnetic seduction force field known only as The Tie works its magic.

And guess what?

I get nothing. Nada. Fuck all.

No one even notices it. Or me, for that matter! What could be wrong? Did I tie the knot too big/small? Is it too long/short? Maybe it's a little too loose. But no matter how much I adjust it, it simply won't co-operate and pick up chicks for me.

Fucking tie. This is all your fault. Do something, you silken piece of Euro shit!

Again nothing happens. And the longer nothing happens, the longer nothing happens.

Next stop? Choooooodeville.

On my way home in the cab, alone goddammit, I make a solemn vow. I am NEVER wearing this stupid tie again. It ruined my night and made me the laughing stock of the club. My own accessory cockblocked me. Unbelievable.

I know what you're thinking. Oh that Dragonkid. So melodramatic. So emotional. So long-winded.

I'll try to get to the point.

No one element is ever gonna do it. Not a tie, or a drink, or a wing, or a routine, or anything else.

Don't believe me? Scoff at my logic? Swear by going out with your best pal (who's, of course, a "natural") or your lucky banana hammock?

Well, I got a newsflash for you, Walter Cronkite.

It's about having the attitude that you not only deserve to have cool friends and hot girls, you expect it. Cause that's the way you roll.

If someone's not cool, you split. You've got standards, and you're not afraid to let people know it.

Hell, your body language oooooooozes it.

I don't care if you think you're a putz. I don't care if you feel like you don't know what to say. I don't care if you forgot your inhaler.

You've got to stop those limiting beliefs RIGHT NOW.

Get in state, calibrate, escalate, vibe, be dominant, close. You've read about this stuff here and on other forums. If you're smart, you come out to Lair meetings. You know what to do.

Get out in the field. Have fun. Smile. Be non-needy. If a set doesn't work out, no problem. There's 2.5 million chicks in this town. That's why we don't live in the fucking Yukon!

Seriously. When was the last time you opened a girl with a compliment about her clothes and really meant it? I'm sure you thought her boots were cool, but were you really so impressed that you just HAD to tell her immediately?

It works the same in reverse. The Tie (or whatever) has nothing to do with it. It's all YOU. They approach with that shit as an excuse to get to know you. YOU'RE what they're attracted to. Not the car. Not the suit. Not the cool job. YOU.

Accept it. You're a cool dude.

OK. Rant's over.

Now go out and close some HBs, bro.

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MINI-ANNOUNCEMENTS (includes promos of new sites, podcasts, events, products, etc.)
See the on-line version of this email at http://www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for more details about many of the following - once on the "Letter" page on the website, scroll down to the Promo section where you will see the Maxi-Announcements.

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- Neil Strauss (Style) is about to release his latest PUA book following the huge success of The Game. The new book, Rules of The Game, can be pre-ordered here:
http://fsturl.com/n

- Zan Perrion has just launched his new Natural Game forum at http://www.naturalgame.com. A quote from Zan on the philosophy of the new forum: "It is time for change. I truly believe there is a next level of interaction between men and women that wants to be created on this earth. A Seduction Community 2.0, in a sense. We have hit the boundaries of what it is possible to explore. Like the early adventurers, crafting rickety canoes and rafts with tenuous sails, we have ventured out into the unknown sea and gone as far as these early vessels could take us. To explore further, to discover new lands, to be true treasure hunters, we need faster and better ships... This is the essence of natural game..."

- Temple Temptress a.k.a Suzy Bauer: The "Threesome PUA Secret Society" has been launched after 3 years in the making. Suzy's developed a community for hedonists and she's looking for people who would like to take their erotic lives to the next level. If you consider yourself "open minded" or a hedonist or if you're or (would like to be) experienced on "The Lifestyle" you should check out the 90 second video Suzy has put together. By the way, If you're also interested in having a threesome, Suzy has claims that with her insights she's going to help 125 have a threesome before December 31st 2007! For further information: http://www.suzybauer.com/ The promotional video is tantalizing, throwing out the following names without more details implying that this is a joint project with these teachers: "Moore" (Laura Moore, who did a DYD interview?), Shade (must be David Shade who has appeared at both the Cliff's List Conventions http://www.masterful-lover.com/ebook.html), Bauer (which is Suzy Bauer who almost spoke at the Cliff's List Conventions http://www.stepbystepthreesome.com/), Mr. Z (http://www.ladiesrightnow.com/index.html), "King" (could this be Jason King (http://www.makeoutmastery.com/ whose article appears above?), and it hints about some limit to 125 only. More info on the Threesome PUA Secret Society at: http://www.suzybauer.com/

- Payton Kane has revised his new powerhouse website and has his spectacular new Home Study Course available: http://www.seduceandconquer.com/

- The Pickup Podcast with AJ and Jordan continues to bring you the best free audio content in the community on a weekly basis and includes interviews with all the big names from Lance Mason to Ross Jeffries and even Neil Strauss. Check it out at pickuppodcast.com

- Scot McKay has just launched the VIRTUOSITY series, featuring over two-dozen of the most respected names in men's attraction and seduction advice. With six full sections, the amount of sheer value in Scot's new program challenges any advanced series ever produced. Best of all, Scot's character-based approach is very evident throughout. VIRTUOSITY deserves serious consideration by any man who is through with trickery and quick-fixes and is ready to deserve the highest echelon of women on Earth. Full coverage of online dating that rivals stand-alone products elsewhere is one of the many plusses, and even 1-on-1 time with Scot is included. This is a groundbreaking release which is sure to raise the bar. Check it out at: http://www.thechickwhisperer.com/exclusive/ You can also get his flagship ebook product Deserve What You Want here: http://deservewhatyouwant.com/ebook/

- Gabrielle Moore has prepared an eye-opening video about the G-Spot orgasm. Gabrielle is the author of the now-famous book "The Female Orgasm Revealed". And now Gabrielle decided to take her intimate advice to the next level. You´ll be impressed (just as I was!) To watch the video now, go to: http://www.thegspotcode.com/afvideo.html

- Jorj has some interesting products available including the "Attraction Magnet" (more details in the full Promo section which is below, only on the website) http://www.magicalmindpower.com/lovepower.htm

- Johnny Soporno (http://www.TheWorthyPlayboyInstitute.com), a major hit at the 2006 Cliff's List Convention, is now offering bootcamps, his new book, and some extensive free downloads. For more details, check out the full promo below (if you are reading this in an email, it's on the online verstion of this at http://www.cliffslist.com).

- Carlos Xuma is preparing to release his latest DVD program - "Alpha Lifestyle: Triple-Threat." Ever wondered how to tie up all the elements of pickup into a COMPLETE lifestyle? The Triple-threat shows you. See the details here: http://www.thealpharules.com/meet-women-build-confidence/

- Magnus of Bristol Lair fame has written a book on Emotional Freedom Technique, with a PUA supplement on improving your Inner Game. The free videos on his site take you through how to use the techniques to reduce your approach anxiety and feel good in the field. There's also an hour-long seminar explaining how the technique works. http://www.innergametapping.com/

- Magnus: My buddy Sheriff is running a 30 day challenge for guys, with a $1,000 top prize. All you've got to do is keep an online journal, and go out every night. Free to enter, and should super-charge your game. http://www.growyourgame.com/

- Would you know if she was FAKING IT? Learn to blow her mind every time and set yourself apart from any other guy she has ever been with before. Subscribe to Alex Allman's FREE Newsletter and get hundreds of FREE tips and techniques that will have her bragging to her friends about your skills. http://www.revolutionarysex.com/

- For a limited time, save $28 on Magic Bullets By Savoy at this review page: http://www.squidoo.com/magicbulletsbook

- Prof's Seduction Blog is all about Attraction and Pick Up, The life and learnings of a pick up artist. Seduction, dating, and the art of attraction. Meet women of exceptional beauty. http://www.seduction-blog.com

- We're all in this game for the simple fact that we love women, right? If you're like me, you probably like being able to please them in ways that no other man has. Though we all can't study at the feet of a sexual shaman like Steve P. or Hypnotica, we can still easily increase a woman's pleasure... go here to learn more about The Screaming O http://www.thescreamingo.com/

- Go Here To Download The Seduction Community Toolbar by Diabolik - http://www.diabolikseduction.com/the-seduction-community-toolbar-by-diabolik/

- Marius Panzarella: This link goes to a special page with the download link for a free ebook and also a discount offer that is only available to readers of Cliff's List. http://www.datebeautifulwomen.com/ezine.html

- Steve Taylor, a.k.a. Lifeguard, teaches guys how to become a cool, confident, fun and sexy guy that women love. You can sign up for a live workshop or Distance Coaching at http://www.confidentimage.com or visit his blog: http://datingskillsforrealmen.blogspot.com

- Any girl deserves a chance to be presented with a choice... and we sometimes need to forgive and forget the people who made us create negative assumptions about the new women we meet... http://www.NoNonSenseLife.com - It's written in both English and Spanish

- How to attract women Naturally! Check out Cameron Teone’s Building Attraction Secrets. What makes this book any different or unique to other books? The fact that it makes a perfect symbiosis between inner game and outer game on the one hand, and the theoretical and practical on the other hand as well as implementing the very important concepts of lifestyle and masculinity in a very practical manner that will change your life forever. Check it out at http://www.attractwomenanywhere.com/ebook.html

- ACE is a specialist in the art of charisma and teaches workshops. Email acepua@gmail.com to arrange a place.

- Jake Rockford: How to separate the men from the boys: Finally there is an "all-in-one" toolbox for utimate success for today's Urban Renaissance Man. Whether you want natural And simple ways To meet, attract, and date The women Who Are Right For YOU, learn how to get a kick-butt, no-nonsense workout in as little as four minutes while saying 'Goodbye' to health club fees, or master ancient and powerful tantric secrets of multiple orgasm for both you AND her, "The Dangerous Book" has it all! All this plus a goldmine of games, puzzles, bar bets, and impromptu magic tricks for fun and fascination anywhere, anytime and time-tested tools to build focus, intention, and creativity... The Dangerous Book is here to help you be your absolute best! http://www.thedangerousbook.net/Check_it_out.html

- Lucas J. West : You can sign up for my email list at http://www.LucasWest.com. The second or third email you'll get gives you a direct link to everything I've put out over the past year. I recommend reading the Rapport Report and the Path of Least Resistance as your major starting points (they're both free). As for Demonic Confidence, that's at http://www.DemonicConfidence.com. Guys can contact Lucas if they already have decided they want a skype hypnosis session with a reputable professional by sending him an email at lucas@lucaswest.com.

- New product release: "The Naturally Magnetic Male Conditioning System." Are you interested in developing a high level of charisma and personal magnetism that will help you in EVERY area of your life? The 15 clear cut steps use progressive conditioning, the best charisma techniques and traits of naturals to bring out the magnetic male already living within you. http://puahelpdesk.com/

- Lisa Lloyd offers "The Only Real Lesbian Seduction Guide For Men" which she claims will give you a head start on other men when dating. The guide reveals dating methods from a lesbian perspective, as "a fascinating insight into a woman's mind/body and she answers questions such as "Why can't women say no to other women?" http://www.lesbian-seduction-guide.com/

- Attract and Date has released the new Home Study Course: 10 students filmed on a Workshop where everyone had, at least, a date from the street. Great quality of picture and sound! Everyone is wired with audio and action is totally realistic. You get to see their shining successes and big failures also. See and HEAR for the first time students like a 40 year old scientist that never approached on the street with Sharks "I like you" and getting fantastic results! Go to http://www.AttractAndDate.com to see 50 screen shots from the DVD Course. Get inspired!

- Brother Kermit has just published I'm A Man, That's My Job: The Philosophy of a Seducer, A Complete Inner Game Workbook. Here is the link: http://www.lulu.com/content/875062 You can buy it for $49.95 US. It has all the lists, plus more. The rules of relationships The base life philosophies AND A description of the 10 stages of development from Loser to Seducer to Natural. This book also has charts to track your development.

- Frank B Kermit (http://www.lulu.com/content/1585762): Are you curious as to what goes on at lair meetings? Well, we can not tell you the details, but I can share this with you: We do Emotional Needs Analysis as a group. What is an ENA (Emotional Needs Analysis)? You are given a situation, based on a real experience, and then do an analysis of that situation applying Frank B Kermit's 10 emotional needs of women theories. It was developed as part of the Bring Up the Skill Levels of All Newbies Program. If you were banned from a lair, or if you want to learn seduction, but do not want to be identified by other students of the art, you can still get the lair experience. Just check out this 120+ preview: http://www.lulu.com/browse/preview.php?fCID=1585762 G through it. Check it out. See if you got the understanding of men-women dynamics to figure out the answer. I hope you learn something.

- Most dating "gurus" talk about inner game, but fall far short in actually providing you with practical solutions for solving your inner game issues. With his Hypnotica's program, "Ultimate Inner Game", you can transform your mind and emotions in just days! http://www.ultimateinnergame.com/

- DiClassified DRILLS! Vin DiCarlo of DiCarlo DiClassified has released his new drill-based training, which boasts a total of 36+ real time drills specifically designed for pick-up training. Drills based-training develops your game in a way that is systematic, effective, personalized, natural and best of all, fun! The curriculum can be found at http://www.vindicarlo.com/drills

- Thundercat's Art of Approaching is available here: http://www.artofapproaching.com/

- Want to master your sex life? Male escort and liv e s ex performer NathanX leads a team of male and female s ex instructors in their intensive and popular workshop “Sexual Mastery for Men”. They teach what 99.9% of guys do not know and will never know. Where PUA skills end, sexual mastery skills begin. PUA skills enable you to get the girl. Sexual and relationship management enables you to keep her in the sort of relationships you want. Workshops also include a live demonstration of techniques! What they teach at MYSL is the real deal. No one else in the world is teaching what they teach. Free videos, audios and blog. http://www.masteryoursexlife.com/products/volume1/

- Doc, a featured speaker at both the 2005 & 2006 Cliff's List Conventions, is holding seminars. For more info go to his new site at http://www.TrueLifeSkills.com.

- David Wygant has a number of products available, including his Men's Audio Mastery Series (a complete 8 volume set), his book for men, Date to Win, his Girls Tell All Audio Series, one on Pickups and one on Secrets of Sex, his book Meet Someone Today, his audio product What's Your Excuse, and his original signature book Always Talk to Strangers. More info at: http://www.davidwygant.com/

- Cardinal just wanted to let you know that he's going to release The Cardinal Flight Plan (CFP) Ebook soon. He's so confident that this book is going to be a hit, he's going to offer the first 25 people a free copy! Yup, the first 25 people to visit Seductiontech.com will get a free copy. He will send out a mass email once he officially releases the CFP... Go to Seductiontech.com and sign-up for his newsletter, and be sure to watch your email.

- In the Toronto area Christiano has been teaching men to work from their inner game to outer game in a way that is congruent to their identity. Most see results after being taught the skills in the workshop immediately. Find out more by visiting: http://bestnaturalgame.com.

- Ron Louis & David Copeland have put out a new ebook "How to be the Bad Boy Women Love." Find out more at
http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/htg/

- New Book/Audio release: "Park Bench Dating." Are you currently meeting women in the day time? Do you know how easy it is to get a quality number in a few minutes, just as you go through your day? Written by Art, an NYC dating coach, who came from PUA community and turned pure natural. Covered by The New York Times and ABC Television, his methods of meeting in the day time are so effective simply because they are so easy to use everyday. http://www.ParkBenchDating.com

- Uncle Ruckus has started a new youtube show called "The Nice Guy Show" and he'd like for you to watch. You can also visit his home page at http://www.adviceonwomen.com. He plugs Cliff's List on a recent one, too!

- Society "Of Cool" - Description of Group: Simple: This place is for all of you dudes and chicks who are rad cool and want to step their game up in life with wealth building(money) and relationship building (women/men). Living a healthy lifestyle is considered "cool" as well.. This place is ONLY FOR COOL PEOPLE. If you are a beta male, chump, nerd, loser, you are getting your a$$ banned! Visit this Link: http://www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=1

- Here's a neat one, originally proposed to me by Johnny Soporno. Take one of these pills daily (male or female) and taste sweet: http://sweetsecretions.com/cgi-bin/ustorekeeper.pl

- Gigi has just launched a new website: http://www.puaratings.com PUA Ratings evolves around a rating system for PUA products, where you can rate and write your own reviews about your favorite (and not so favorite) seduction products or bootcamps, and read what others have to say about them, before you make a purchase. The site also features a 'PUA Comparison Engine', a tool that will become more and more viable as more reviews enter the system. There's also a forum and a live chat where live events will be hosted. So make your opinion count - sharpen your keyboards and start writing reviews!

- Rion Williams has announced and released his pioneering 'Secret to Women' video, downloadable eBook and podcast. Something as ambitious as that just has to be seen for yourself. http://www.secretofwomen.com/resources.htm. Rion has also released the community/content site 'AboveTheGame.NET.' Its got articles, blogs, user profiles, an active forum, chat and more. You can even create your own blog and submit your own dating/seduction content or questions. The community is focused on how to be a 'natural' ladies man. http://www.abovethegame.net

- Herbal, one of the characters made famous by The Game, has finally released an ebook after taking some time away from the community. He also offers a free 10 Day E-Mail Bootcamp." For more information, visit http://www.makeherchaseyou.com/

- Captain Jack has a couple of new products out, check these out:
1) The Warrior-King Society: Freedom, Money, Sex and Power Crush Previous Income Levels, Recapture Lost Sexual Vigor and Health, Rediscover Your Innate Masculine Instincts and Drive So You CanDominate Your World and Become King of Your Own Ideal Life --Like You were Destined To... Captain Jack's Warrior King Society: http://www.thewarriorkingsociety.com/
2) Captain Jack's Six Week eCoaching Program for Discovering How to Sexualize Your Game, Blast Through Sticking Points and Build a Social Circle in Just 42 Days http://www.betheseducer.com/

- Cardinal (http://www.Seductiontech.com): Puanetwork.com Web 2.0 Live! I just wanted to let you know that the New Web2.0 Version of the Puanetwork is up and live. Since the show aired, the Puanetwork has really picked up! Ignore my PUN =) Come join the fastest growing social networking site for the community!

- How to be an all-around cooler person - completely free, practical advice for guys on social skills, getting along with people, and getting your act together - all written by a recovered loser. Not everyone will need to read the material here, but take a look if you think you could benefit from improving your people skills before diving into the seduction game. Feel free to check it out at http://www.howtobecooler.com

- LayGuide was the original inspiration for Neil Strauss to write "The Game" and is still the most thorough and continually updated collection of the best dating, attraction and seduction tips in the world: http://www.layguide.com/

- In The Game by Neil Strauss, "TwoTimer" is talked about as one of the top players. His more commonly known handle is IN10SE, and his "Octoberman Sequence" has been whispered about and become a LEGEND in the on-line Pickup artist community. It's rumored to give a woman ULTIMATE pleasure and you ULTIMATE control - in as little as 15 minutes! Only the BEST of the BEST know it. Check it out here: http://www.octoberman.com/

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LAIR SECTION
(Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at http://dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at http://www.bristollair.com, as well as at http://www.seductionlair.com:

A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/

LAIR GROUP
If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. http://www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com
Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here http://lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers. Join this group (http://lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (http://www.lairlist.com/).

HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Lair meetings are scheduled currently once a month on Sundays. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. The Lair now has a magnificent new online discussion forum that was put together by Loveur.

The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.

Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):

MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.

NEW FRENCH MONTREAL LAIR FORMED
Good news! Montreal has now a FRENCH Lair! Oui! Ever wanted to be part of a lair without having to learn another language?
- A lair which would offer you support
- A lair which would allow you to find new wingman
- A lair where you would be able to learn
- A lair where you would be able to share
- A lair which would offer occasions to sarge
- A lair where you would be able to conquer your fear
- A lair which would allow you to become a better PUA 100 times faster
And all that in FRENCH! Now is your chance! We've just opened our forum located at http://www.seduire.ca , registration are free. You can also apply to become a Montreal VIP which will offer you the possibility to be part of the best French PUA Team in Montreal. We also have a section dedicated to people of Quebec City cause we love you :) Note that the sooner you become part of our family, the sooner you'll be the person you want to become.
Many of our members are experts in specifics techniques such as Mystery Method, Juggler Method, direct/indirect techniques and know about their stuff. They are the people you want to hang with. As David DeAngelo too often said: "You want to befriend those people who've got the talent you want to have so you can learn with them and from them." The forum is located at http://www.seduire.ca. We hope to see you there soon!

NEW LAIR IN TORONTO
Frank B Kermit's Toronto Seduction Lair
No Minors! No Hazing Rituals! No Membership Fees! No Referral Link 'Click Fees'! No Forced Paid Workshops to gain access! No Organized Pirating of Copyright Materials! No illegal activates nor criminal associations whatsoever! Fully MODERATED to encourage a 100% RESPECTFUL learning environment!
An Advanced Section for Gurus and Top Guys who have mastered basic game! Separate sections for Commercial announcements and seduction Discussions!
Seduction Gurus are WELCOMED directly into the Advanced Section! An Active Free Newbie System designed to bring up skill levels FASTER!
Men's Only Group (confidentiality and privacy assured)! A Seduction FOCUSED group, no distractions! http://www.torontolair.ca/

THE TORONTO LAIR
The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at http://www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.

MORE TORONTO
There are at least two other PUA groups in Toronto:
http://www.torontophoenixsociety.com
and
http://www.torontolair.org

VANCOUVER SOCIAL BOARD
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

NEW SOUTH AFRICAN SEDUCTION LAIR:
The South African Seduction Lair unites guys from all the major cities in Johannesburg, Cape Town, Port Elizabeth and Durban. We have a excellent cultural mix and therefore the women are very diverse and different strategies sometimes need to be applied to achieve results. We have very experienced members in Speed Seduction, NLP, Direct Approach, Cocky & Funny, etc. We will introduce you to a key wingman in your city. And on our Google Group you can download free resources from all over the Internet. Contact ramon@ramonthomas.com for more info. Join here: http://groups.google.com/group/sa-seduction-lair

NEW BRIGHTON LAIR
Darklight wrote to announce the new Lair which has just been set up in sunny Brighton on the south coast of England. They are a small group of PUAs hitting up the bars, clubs, street and beaches of Brighton. People are welcome to join, all styles and skill levels -- so long as they are active in field. Contact them at http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/brightonpickup/ or at brightonpickup@googlemail.com

IRISH LAIR
The Irish Lair has 211 members and was started December, 2005. Its Lair Leader is Stealth and their website is: http://www.irishseduction.com/forum or you can contact: stealth.waves@gmail.com or xrockridgex@gmail.com

New Lair in Grenoble
http://www.verselejus.com/pua/index.php?topic=1247.0

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE:
I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporadically for sarging and for scheduled meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com.

AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: http://www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com
Also, a new board has been started named AUSTRIAN SEDUCTON COMMUNITY (ASC) and the Lair URL for that is http://www.austrianseduction.com. Ben and Rey can be reached at info@6system.info. Described as the next generation of PU-Communities! ASC supports you with: - public/private photo albums; Event calender & Lair meeting System; PU-Lexicon; Video Blog; personal Notes System; & the best German-speaking PUAs including 2 females!

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.

SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire! Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks, Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.

EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here: http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/

ISRAEL LAIR
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to http://www.tironut69.com

DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in pursuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com

TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com Also, go to http://www.toplair.com/ for more information about PUA Lair activity in Tampa.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at: Julien72@bluewin.ch

NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is http://wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago

NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
Edmonton Men's Social Improvement Club, a Registered Non-Profit Organization can be reached at: http://www.socialimprovementclub.org or by email: applicants@socialimprovementclub.org

SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.

PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com

BELGIUM: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: http://www.DutchSeduction.com

NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: http://www.DutchSeduction.com

NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.

NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.

DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/ or http://www.DallasSeductionLair.com

DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum (http://www.dallaspua.com/forum), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to http://www.DallasPua.com

HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rock stars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night, 10PM in Norwich City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.

VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/

NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ http://www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.

SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.

THIRD NEW YORK CITY LAIR STARTED:
NYC Wingman. Here is the Link : http://wingman.meetup.com/31/?gj=sj2

BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's constantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com

SCOTLAND LAIR
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.

BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.

ARIZONA LAIR
Arizona Pick-Up Artist: This lair was started in July 2004 by Cramias and J-Dog. We initially wanted to build a PUA community in Arizona to; improve our skills, have training resources, and especially encourage people in Arizona to actually get involved and wing together. As of Jan'05 we have 33 Arizona members and almost 200 members worldwide. Thousands of archived posts and more training resources under way. There is a wing contact list for Verified Arizonans only, and we have frequent lair meetings and many people now wing together. Visit http://www.ArizonaPUA.com. Contact jdog@arizonapua.com

ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field. All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com

BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at gpatel1981@yahoo.com

NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com

KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.

CONNECTICUT PLAYER'S LAIR:
CT Player's Lair now opens its membership to any PUA from the skill levels of RAFC to MPUA and lives in the CT, NY, NJ, RI, or Massachusetts area. We have our own private pick up knowledge base that all members may use as a resource to learn from and use in the field with us. Please register at: http://www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php. Registration is free until January 20th of Next Year!

NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/

NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated forum where You can exchange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hot babes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.

ATLANTA LAIR:
Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfer girls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.

NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join

NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA LAIR
The Hollywood Seduction Lair. Monthly pickup mastery seminars at The Roosevelt Celebrity hotel and pussy patrol on Hollywood Blvd. To attend: http://www.seductioncoaching.com/hollywood.htm To join list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Self-Empowermentgroup/ Contact: Vince@SeductionCoaching.com

WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com

SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.

THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."

NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of like-minded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com

NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM

SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.

SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous sarge outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.

DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com

HOUSTON:
http://www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
Turning KJs into Active PUA - Members meet twice weekly with approximately 200+ registered members. Currently run mini study groups on Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Juggler, SS. We usually meet out in the field and streets so there is plenty of field practice. Our Sarge-Fest is a great learning night for newbies where some of Australias best PUA coach you to improve your game. We also organize other activities such as Salsa dance nights for our members and we encourage our members to contribute back to the community to help it grow. The lair currently runs its own forum so come join this active lair. Contact iceman at melb.lair.autoreply@gmail.com. See http://Melb-Lair.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz

MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.

LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com

AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/ The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.

PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who sarge regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.

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