DING-DING-DING we have a WiiiiiiNAAAAHHHH!!

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THIS IS CLIFF'S PRIVATE LIST, A F*R*E*E* E-MAIL RELATING TO SEDUCTION

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CLIFF'S LIST UPDATES:

The "Cliff's List Project" continues. Work is progressing on both sites and we expect to be able to offer the 2006 DVDs for sale relatively soon. The project has grown dramatically and the ideas just keep coming. Expect to see Cliff’s List developments that will surprise and excite you!

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David:

There's a review of neil strauss's book: fsturl.com/t

If the link doesn't work, the review is in myspace books.

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EVENT ANNOUNCEMENTS:

Savoy: ***Special Announcement*** The buzz for the Love Systems’ “Change Your Life” SuperConference is insane. Las Vegas February 22-24. It brings together the biggest names in the community like Sinn, Savoy, Captain Jack, Tenmagnet, Badboy Lifestyles, Brad P, Pickup 101, Carlos Xuma, and more. What makes this event so cool is that it’s two sessions going on, so you can make sure you are only focusing on the things that you actually need. You can see a full agenda (and sign up) here www.lovesystems.com/.../ . They have a mix of speakers, interactive exercises, panels, and mini-seminars for the teaching style that suits YOU best. In addition to covering the important tactical stuff like Opening, Attraction, Comfort, and so on, they have sessions on: online game, phone game, threesomes, dates, how to choose a venue, winging, body language, fashion, direct game (Badboy), day game (Sinn), strippers (Sinn), social anxiety (Brad P), relationship management (Savoy), and more. And if that’s not enough, Sinn is advertising that he’ll be teaching all new material he’s been working on for the 5+ hours he’ll be teaching. Savoy – one of the greatest if most private masters of the community and the author of Magic Bullets (www.lovesystems.com/.../) and the Love Systems Routines Manual (www.lovesystems.com/.../) – will be showing video for the first time of one of his pickups and how he did it. And more, and more, and more. I don’t send out stuff for things I don’t believe in, but this is an absolute can’t-miss event. The price is $950 for Silver Level and $3,750 for Gold (Gold includes two nights of workshop, private sessions with Sinn and Savoy, etc.) Sign up here (www.lovesystems.com/.../)!
P.S. The discount on hotel rooms at the seminar hotel expires in a couple of days, so make sure you sign now if you want a cheap room.

Frank B. Kermit (aka Brother Kermit):

Frank is holding Frank's First Official Seminar, THE INNER GAME SEMINAR which will be held in Toronto Friday March 28th through Sunday March 30th, and will feature over 30 hours of time with Frank B Kermit, Johnny Soporno, Michael The Dating Wizard, Christiano Jr, and Robert El Greco. Seats are limited to 60 people. For more information: please contact frank@franktalks.com

Nathan X:

LONDON SEXUAL MASTERY WORKSHOP: Date: 2nd - 3rd February 2008. Price: £950 (includes everything) Instructors: NathanX and Miss Sin Location: London, Richmond 3 places left www.masteryoursexlife.com/

FREE CDs AND DVDs: Anyone who signs up for this workshop will get Volume I of the audio and video Sexual Mastery for men course. Over 8 hours of free content! PLUS 50% off all future volumes!! If you already have Volume 1 then this workshop is your chance to learn the more advanced tactics and you'll also get a free copy of Volume 2. Available early 2008.

Maximum 5 Students; 1 Male Instructor; 1 or 2 Female Instructors; Duration 2 days (18-20 hours); Customized to each students needs before you arrive; Become a male sexual master; Improve your sexual confidence; Learn to make any woman multi-multi orgasmic; Learn to maintain an erection for as long as you need naturally;

Understand what women want sexually; Understand how to create the sort of sexual relations you want; Learn how to control your orgasm for as long as you need naturally

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Big G:
LR: My first Threesome

At last!!

I got into the game precisely three years ago and what a ride it's been. Had to battle through the worst oneitis in the history of mankind (STILL think of her to this day). Had to rewire some deep beliefs. Had to START going to bars dead sober and in my 40's.... I remember Doc telling me three years ago: "think twice about undertaking this journey...it's cold out there". There have been many, many nights of staying home and crying and feeling so devastatingly lonely.

And then there was last night!

I should mention, I have been stuck working in Vermont the last 5 weeks. Literally have not set foot in Montreal in all that time. Lonely, lonely weekends - one after another. In and out of depressions exacerbated by self-pity.

Last night I finally rallied, called some friends and went out with an FB of mine who I know is into anything.

So we were set to meet some old old gf's of mine from when I was a kid (thank you Facebook!) one of them was planning to introduce me to one of her friends.

So we get to this place called The Firm on the Waste Island and - depressing. Chodeville. I get introduced to their group and it is clear to see I have massive status. They clearly had been talking about me and anticipating my arrival. I immediately caveman them all - grab them, pick them up, toss them around, and walk away to dance.

I see that I have attraction from my target so I take 2 steps back. Made the mistake so many times of trying to amp up the attraction and turn them on in the club and really I only did that because in my insecurity I was looking for IOI's to continue. Now I assume the sale. Far more important than tactics last night though, was that the tactics, etc. are SOO internalized in me now. I flirt this way with old ladies now, for crying out loud. I have BECOME THAT GUY!!

I venue change the group.

At 3 am, as we're walking out, I lean in and make out with my target. The one who introduced us says to her "I'm going to kill you for this" and I was like "damn if you want me too here's your chance LOL!" But inside I'm thinking "Huh? You mean you are still like this in your late 30's?!?!? Grow up!"

As my date and the new girl are walking to our cars, I'm scanning my head for what to do. "So where's the after party?" say I. "I hear you have a nice big house to party in" I say to the new girl.

Me: "Let's go there"
Her: objections objections
Me: "Come on, let's go!"

Get to her house and again I'm conscious enough to take 2 steps back. I sit in the armchair, not the couch. I let the two girls take the couch and get to know one another (we met like 3 hours ago for God's sakes!). I barely talk. Eventually I move in between them on the couch. Nice and relaxed. Easy. Light. Fun. Kiss one, kiss the other. Stand up, take them both by the hand and move them upstairs to the bedroom and what ensued was absolutely the greatest most worthwhile culmination of my three years of pain and development as a PUA.

I now get to live in a world where this kid of shit happens FOR REAL !!!!

Most important element was the inner frame hands-down. One big change lately is a change of intention. From the beginning, I heard gurus say to just go out to have fun and be social. But last night I really had the firm intention to pick -up. I was literally prepared to ask girls flat out "What are the odds of you and I hooking up tonight?" because if the answer was "None" I would not spend a second longer in set. The other element was TWO STEPS BACK. This involves to ability to recognize that I am NOT merely assuming the sale, but seeing clearly that it is in fact ON and that therefore the thing to do is to ramp up attraction by pulling slightly AWAY - and having her chase. And when she came back to engage me, I knew it was time to move to rapport and comfort building and did that seamlessly with a simple "So what's your story?" And, finally, when I got to her house, the fact that I remained calm and acted like it was normal and made everyone comfortable by BEING comfortable with myself. But all that said, you know what's taken me forever to get? THE GIRLS WANT THIS TO HAPPEN - and all I've got to do is make the right moves in the right sequence and NOT F IT UP. lol!

I've been asked if I just said "come on let's go" and head to my car, assuming she would lead me in hers. But I wasn't even driving! Someone else asked when I knew it was on - it was at this moment when she agreed to have my FB and I come over. She had to know at that point that it was NOT just going to be a nightcap!

Did I get her verbal agreement or accompany her to her car? I did not - I felt it would be wrong to abandon the girl I came there with.

Did I feel there was some chance she would rethink the whole thing while she's driving alone in her car? I didn't question whether she would change her mind because I didn't assume she had made up her mind. I knew it would make or break once we got there and it would depend on my actions/energy once at her place. My big question was whether I should walk in the door and caveman right away or let it happen organically.

Did I have to manage the new girl's social circle beyond handling the catty comment from the friend? Do I think the girl was/will be judged, or does the fact that she left with a "couple" mitigate that (ie: it's not a common hook-u scenario/plausible deniability)? The circle did not know that we left together as we all said goodbye and it was only as we were leaving towards our respective cars that I had the bright idea to suggest it. She was VERY concerned that her friends not know - made us "pinkie swear" repeatedly that it would remain secret and wrote me an email the next day echoing her need for discretion.

I missed the "elusive obvious" elements that led to my threesome.

The biggest part really, obviously, like D'UH was having a pivot who was in and willing and who's independent energy and actions allowed me time and space and permission to seduce the new girl.

And, d'uh, that was made possible by the fact that I had established that frame with her. Now, this was less "tactical" than I can take credit for. Reality is I picked her up, had a lot of hot sex for a while and then I LJBF'd her. Then we became friends - this had her chasing - she is the girl who organized my b-day party this year for God's sakes - I mean, she went way out of her way. Real sweetie. And here I am taking it all for granted. Tsk-tsk. When she asked me what I wanted for my b-day, what do you PUA's all reckon I answered?! THREESOME.

(She even said to me on the way home "Happy birthday".....She forgot to add "Mr.President" but I let it slide that time ;-)

Final D'uh - she was in my life at all because I went out and classic PU'd her at fucking Cavalli's (very nearly coulda, woulda shoulda bathroom pulled her). Now two things: One, I'm about to give you my patented Big-G Threesome opener/ frame setter/and screener all in one, but first a back story. When I told my one-itis three years ago in full AFC form, that for my b-day I wanted a threesome....Ooof! She NEVER recovered! Felt betrayed; like she wasn't "enough" for me. She would bring it up as her trump card in arguments three years later and presumably till the end of time. She'd be like "Yeah ?! I sucked his dick, so what ?!? You sent me the FUCKING THREESOME LETTER, YOU BAAAAASTARD!!!!!!"

Ok, the threesome opener. Good story on how I came up with it. That was the most ON night I ever had (FR in archives here somewheres). The girl I later closed on a day 2 and who was BY FAR the best girl I have had in the last three years (blew it subsequently when I went all AFC on her. But wouldn't you know, a year later she just poked me on Facebook - Ha! She's the ex of one of Mtl's richest men (no exaggeration - a real legend and known ladies' man extraordinaire) she's looking to have that kind of lifestyle afforded her and screens for wealth. But who does she poke?)

So the opener: I walk up and I say "Hey I need your opinion - on a scale of 1 to 10, how wrong is it for a guy to ask his gf for a threesome on his b-day?"

This is an awesome opener cause like I said, you simultaneously have a juicy opinion opener, you are setting a frame immediately and you are screening for openness.

Her answer ?

"MINUS THREE!"

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I LITERALLY screamed out loud "DING-DING-DING we have a WiiiiiiNAAAAHHHH!!"

I then made her steal chocolate off the table and feed it to me and then I kissed her with "ever had a chocolate kiss?"

So, newbies, I guess it's true - it took me a lot of steps over three years to even BELIEVE that it was POSSIBLE (And I'm, for God's sakes, the guy who hosted the damned threesome panel for Cliff's DVD'S!!!)

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pzn_player:

LR: Toronto trip!

This LR is not nearly as exciting as all the other crazy things we did in Toronto, but I'm posting for one purpose...I learned a lot about LMR.

Lately, my mindset, as I was telling the guys on the trip is simply 2 things:

-being in the now (through meditative work, multiple points of attention [Steve P. stuff], reading books like "The Power of Now")

-Knowing that she really wants to fuck me, I just don't want to give sex to her too easily (sincerely believe this guys, women have desires like you do, maybe even more, please convince yourself that this is true, because it is)

-The corollary of the previous statement is: always accuse her of what I think she's accusing me of

All right before I go on, I'm a guy who loves the player lifestyle and all, but I don't want to lose that spiritual, inner-game, heart-connection part of interactions with women. So I'm never going to write a post only with inner-game because I know that when you start out with this stuff, you need to hear the outer game, the juice, in order to understand what the "skeleton" of pick-up looks like.

This isn't going to be a long post (the LR itself isn't....my comments are hopefully going to be useful to you guys, though), as I pretty much no longer care about validation or the ego boost I get from this. The purpose of this post, like I said is to try and transfer to you guys, what I learned.
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So this girl, last time I went to T.O. (a few months ago), I gamed at a house party. I actually didn't talk to her more than 1-2 minutes that night. I got her e-mail through my cousin. We stayed in touch on MSN, very casually and what I started doing lately (something inspired from my friend Len) was to make no excuses for my desires as a man and overtly speak about sex and how comfortable I am with it. As soon as I did this, it hooked, she was responding playfully, somewhat sexually to me on MSN.

She started calling me and stuff (I obviously made her chase). The last phone conversation before I went to Toronto started turning into phone sex, but I quickly put an end to it because often phone sex has triggered ASD (anti-slut defense) for me. I told her "I'm not going to spend my time describing to you all the things I'm going to do to you when I know what you want is for me to just do them to you in the moment. I can only promise you one thing, I will take you higher than you've ever been before". The whole "I will take you higher than you've ever been before" is one of Zan's lines...it shows confidence and sexual skills. Even if I'm not the Steve P. of sexual techniques, it doesn't matter. That's beside the point. Even though I've learned many White-Tiger Tantra techniques, I'm not a pro...however, if I plant the idea in her head that the sex will be great, she probably won't be able to resist it.

I told her I was coming down to T.O. She didn't respond in an excited manner. That got me wondering...ok she's acting like she doesn't care? No one fucks with pzn_player...it should always be a pleasure for a girl to see me, if nothing more, it should be the most exciting day of her life.

So what I did is I send her a txt message saying "Fuck, my trip to T.O got canceled". She msg'd back with "Why?" I never responded.

Upon my arrival in T.O, I msg her with "I'm in yo city yo". She msgs back "Where?" I tell her "Backpackers' hostel, but I have a big business meeting tonight." (Business meeting = RSD seminar)...lol.

She calls me the same night acting super busy with an awful amount of background noise asking me if I'm going to come see her, I told her I don't know the city and I'm too busy to go around the city and I'm not ditching my friends.

She txts the next day with "where are u", I txt back with "at the hostel, Spadina/King Street". She msgs back with "why don't you come see me?" I don't respond. She calls me.

She asks me to come see her. I tell her "I think we both know that what you want is to come see me, how dare you ask a guest to come see you in a new city, you're supposed to come see me". She's like "But I'm at work". I'm like "Yes but I know you want to come see me after work, stop acting like an aloof female". She's like "Yes, I do want to see you". I say "I'm glad you're mature and honest enough to speak your mind".

She shows up at the hostel. I make her wait for 10-15 mins in the lobby. I get there, I put my hand on her neck, because I come from behind her. She gets goosebumps. She gets up, she's all sensual.

I tell her I have to drop something off upstairs and maybe we could shisha. She says ok. We get upstairs and she offers me some pot. I refuse. I've only smoked once in my life to experience the buzz. Yea, it's pretty chill the first 30 mins, but then it turns you into a useless human being.

She had brought me a mango juice (because I told her to get me something to greet me lol...). We sit on the bed. She keeps asking me to cuddle. I think to myself, this girl is not long-term material, I don't want to fall into the cuddly-boy trap. I cuddle a little, and go for the kiss. She moves away. She says "let me make something clear, I'm not having sex with you". I just say "I know you want to have sex with me, but even if you begged me to I wouldn't, I'm tired". That killed her game.

She keeps cuddling and shit. She asks me to talk about myself a bit. I realize there might be a lack of comfort. I talk and talk and talk. Eventually I go for the kiss again, I try grabbing some titties. Again, she moves my hand away, she's like "we're not having sex, I told you".

If there's one thing I did that turned the whole thing around, it was at this point.

I realized initially she was the chaser, but from the time we came to the room, I became the chaser. And, I never chase.

I said to her "You know, you keep bringing up sex, and I just felt like kissing you, but you know what, I'm not going to kiss you ever again, you don't seem mature enough."

COMPLETE FREEZE-OUT.

Her next line was "Why are you ignoring me?"

I said "I'm not ignoring you, I just won't share any more kisses with you"

I just lay down, meditating. She started kissing. I told her to stop because we had an agreement not to have sex.

She kisses me more.

(Yes guys, female psychology is REALLY something.)

The more she kisses my lips, the more I resist her kisses.

I eventually give into her advances and let her kiss me.

She doesn't like licking. She likes biting.

I let her lead to sex from this point on. She takes her top off. I undo her bra.

Oh yeah, one more thing I told her....and this one was a big one...but it may have fucked things up bad.

When she said "we're not having sex" the 3rd time, I told her in a seductive low masculine voice, "I know you keep bringing sex up because you want me to grab you and fuck your brains out as hard as possible, but I don't even think I have any condoms, so let's just enjoy the moment." Maybe the condom thing was too much but wtv, it was said in the moment.

So while I'm fingering her with Steve P. techniques, she's like "you really don't have a condom?"

I say "maybe it's your lucky day, maybe I do!"

She's like "then fucking go grab it!"

LOL.

By the way, I never came when I fucked her. David Deida suggests that in the "The Way of the Superior Man." Cumming only depletes a man's energy. So whenever I can, I don't come, because after sex you still feel powerful, you don't feel like sleeping.

Anyway, I fucked her as hard as I could and then I was completely dead. She told me she had promised her mommy to spend the evening with her. I said "well it's still not too late." I walked her to the cab, open the door for her, make sure she's inside, I give her 1 kiss on the cheek, and close the door.

I go back to the hostel. What happens next is a whole other adventure.
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There are 2 smoking hot girls in the lobby. Like two 9s or something. One of them is a blond-blue-eyed Australian girl. Pistolero wants her, so I'm like, ok wtv, let him have her, I just fucked this other chick and I'm too fucked anyway.

I tell Pistolero, let one person do the leading, I'll take care of it. I start telling them about shisha and they have wine, but no bottle opener (FUCK! Pistolero man, if we had a bottle opener, we woulda closed these chicks, we would have had an orgy for sure....and the bigger pissoff is we later found out Jaydee had one).

So I walk them to their room and tell them to come up to ours. They say, "Umm, we'll come join you in 10 mins." I felt flaky bullshit. So I said "Listen guys, can we count on you to be there in 10 mins, otherwise we're going to join the boys for some private party." They're like, sure we'll be there.

Pistolero and I go to the room. I tell him what my plan is. Light up the shisha. Put the mattress on the floor "spontaneously" when they arrive, sit next to each other, smoke shisha, hopefully drink some wine...and eventually just make out with the chicks.

They arrive, we talk for a bit. I fix the shisha.

This is where it fucked up. The mattress thing was a bad idea. Pistolero throws it on the floor and puts all the pillows on it. Fuck looking at it in retrospect, I understand why it fucked up, I'm never making this mistake again. Women are afraid of "THE BED."

Additionally, they didn't even have the wine. Because we had no opener. If we had drank, it would have been SO much easier. Damn!

Pistolero man, we owe ourselves a threesome soon, we'll pull them in Montreal, I promise. We were so fucking close.

As soon as the mattress got on the floor, they're like "we better go" etc. I'm like "let's smoke for at least 10 mins guys". Fuck I became AFC a bit, but the problem was the fucking mattress, damage was already done.

One of them even SAID to us "If we sit on the mattress, we probably won't be able to get up"....fuck this meant sex. But we just escalated too fast. And we had no wine.

So they left.

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I go back downstairs. There's this chick who's also Australian, blond 25/26 year old. I talk to her. I was giving off such a fucking sexual vibe after fucking that chick (remember, I never came when I fucked the chick).

I was so fucking tired, guys. I just tell her to follow me. I sit on the couch and start falling asleep. She doesn't shut the fuck up. She's gaming the shit out of me. I tell her, let's go upstairs, I gotta show you the cutest shisha in the world.

I really think my shisha is the biggest part of my game lol.

She's like "sure". She wanted to get fucked.

I brought her upstairs. Make-out super fast. She's into it.

I was so fucking TIRED, I didn't want to escalate to sex.

So I told her let's go back downstairs, "I'm so tired that even if you begged me for sex, I wouldn't have sex with you". She laughs.

Anyway, we traded numbers and she's coming to Mtl soon, she told me she'd call me for sure.
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There was also this lesbian chick who's like "I'm a lesbian"

I'm like "I believe the correct term is bi-sexual" HAHAHA...anyway, I'll write about that later.

P.S I also gotta thank my boys (Jaydee, Armada, Athan, Doni, Pistolero) for the tremendous help with logistics. They all left the room so I could spend 1-2 hours with her. That's what I call winging!

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Gogland (a moderator of the torontolair.CA):

I'm sure we've heard it before... a woman has two categories of friends. Those she would never fuck, and those that are already fucking her. But just where does this come from? As guys, I believe that anytime we find a woman worthy enough to be a friend... we also want to plow into them and make them scream daddy at the top of their lungs... okay maybe the daddy part is just reserved for the perverts like me. But what I'm getting at is that we're totally respecting the woman not just for her friendship, but also her sexuality as well, and that's completely manly and respectable.

However, women are not the same in their judgment. They have VERY close friends, that, OH MY GOODNESS, they have no respect for their sexuality. Honestly, it's always been something that has ANNOYED me to no end with a lot of women, and quite frankly I feel as though if a woman is unable to respect my sexuality, she is unable to respect me, thus friendship over. But I just never really got WHY they couldn't just spread open for their friend until now.

Gogland's Theory Number 47 (because I have no clue how many of these I will have, this one gets a random number.)

Women can only respond to men in two ways, either as a lover/father figure, or as a friend/child, and it makes perfect sense for them to do so. For the survival of the species, a human child has to be raised to a certain age before they can take care of themselves... and this is a task that takes a good many years. Naturally the one who would be saddled with this responsibility is a woman as she bears this offspring. Think of all the little motherly instincts built into a woman. I cannot think of anything more vicious than a woman defending her offspring. A woman is built in with natural mothering instincts, and it doesn't bode well for her child's survival if she were to think of her own child as a sexual being that could provide for her... a small babe has no ability to do any of this and needs all the protection in a cruel world to survive.

So, when a man had been given the, "Let's Just Be Friends" line... let us examine what has just happened.

1. The woman has determined that she does not want to sleep with the man.
2. Because she does not want to sleep with him, this means that NO ONE wants to sleep with him.
3. If NO ONE wants to sleep with him, he must not have any sexuality.
4. If he has no sexuality... he's a child.
5. And if he's a child, and he sorta cares for me because he buys me gifts and pays attention to me... that makes him like MY CHILD!

Yes my good friend. When a woman tells you, "let's just be friends" what she is really communicating is, "why don't you be my little child that I can work my mothering instincts on and get tons of practice for when I raise my own child!"

BUT WAIT! You will have none of this! YOU ARE A SEXUAL BEING! YOU ARE A MAN! YOU WILL NOT BE A WOMAN'S CHILD! So you up the sexuality and go for her anyway. Just what happens here?

1. This man is my child. My child could never be sexual... he's just a little baby!
2. Wait, my child is getting sexual with me! This doesn't make sense! He's my child!
3. If a child is getting sexual, that means he's growing up!
4. If my child is growing up that means HE'S LEAVING ME!
5. ICAN'THAVEMYCHILDLEAVEME! I'MSOLONELY! *pant pant* I REFUSE TO LET MY LITTLE BABY HAVE SEX! HE'S SIMPLY NOT READY FOR THAT! Plus I do not want to be left all alone with an empty nest!
6. I must destroy this man's sexuality so he can be my little boy again!

Basically your friend HAS to destroy your sexuality in response to you being sexual to ensure that you will still be her little boy. It's her mothering instincts at work, and since you weren't a real man for her, she has no choice but to assume you're her little boy. If you were suddenly to be sexual with her, or anyone else, she would immediately feel as though you were growing up and thus you were leaving her.

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So what can you take from this?

1. You really can't blame women for doing what they do. You can only blame yourself for getting that sort of response. A mature man WILL NEVER get that sort of response from a woman, and if he does, he quickly dismisses the woman and does not give her the chance to make him into a little baby. A mature man respects women so much, that he will ONLY give his friendship to those women willing to respect his sexuality, and thus his whole being. It is only a beta-supplicating male that needs more and more mothers to take care of him.

2. Your female friends will kill your game. Unless you're having sex with them or they're getting you laid, they will not allow you to become a sexual being. For them, that's like you growing up, and they're so afraid of being abandoned that they will sabotage you to ensure you stay with them.

3. So be a mature man, embrace your sexuality, and don't let ANYONE deny your existence as a sexual being. Because simply put...there's just not enough mature men in the world right now to really satisfy women in the way they need. So step up to the plate, and be a man instead of a boy. You only hurt women by trying to be a child and bring out loving sexual feelings from them. A real man fixes women by being that man they need oh-so desperately to sex up hardcore.

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Eric:
Chemistry or Death - Birth of a Method

You gotta love conjuring up that memory of the first time you badly struck out with a girl in a public place. I remember going up to the most beautiful girl in the room and saying "Hi, I'm Eric" with my shoulders tense and hand in the "hand shake" position. Looking back I am grateful that she was drunk enough to have the courage to look me in the eyes and say "I think you need to talk to someone else." Man did I feel like shit. Daniel Goleman in his books Emotional Intelligence and Social Intelligence gives the explanation for my physiological response to such a psychological blow. Fortunately I had my friend Vodka in a cup and the other drunk Staten Island boys to cheer me up by calling her a skank. Boy o' boy did I learn from that girl and my friends. I wanted to be different from all the guys at that party with perfectly gelled hair, heavy Staten Island accent, Cool Water cologne and Armani shirt. It wasn't in my nature to chase girls with hopes of blowjobs from a skank in the back of my boy's Lexus. So I watched chick flicks. I studied the guys in the movies that girls want over the Alpha-Male.

My favorite PUA was Marlon Brando as "Sky Masterson" in Guys and Dolls (the movie of the musical). He has a line (yes in a song) "yeah, Chemistry" that really influenced my life. The line in context of the song speaks about how we'll know when that special someone comes along. Now Sky Masterson was in no way a one gal kinda guy but he had this chemistry theory that applied to his entire life. Reminiscent of Don Corleone in the Godfather, Brando flexed his social muscle seemingly effortlessly. People are drawn to them. Even the audience saw such dirty and low characters to be so undeniably addictive. What power these characters had. I found something all my goomba friends with all the skanks they could handle didn't have. To finish this paragraph in proper fashion, I have to dedicate one sentence to Chazz Palminteri and A Bronx Tale. The difference between Sonny LoSpeccio, the mob boss, and Lorenzo Anello, the bus driver, shows the true dichotomy of my friends and I. "Is it better to be Loved or Feared?" The age old Machiavellian question. Sonny (Chazz) is feared, Lorenzo (DeNiro) is loved. While people look up to Sonny, he is respected because of fear. No one really knows him or even feels an appreciation for him. Lorenzo, the civil servant, is low on the social totem pole but he has a family and the love and respect of all people in his neighborhood. The same love and respect given to Sky and Don Corleone for the same reason. Chemistry.

Why chemistry? Getting back to Daniel Goleman and his summation of social psychology, every emotion that we receive from another person can be defined as an empathetic response. Scientifically empathy can been seen as a psychological and physiological response to another person's physiology or psychological state. The word's Greek roots translated as empatheia, meaning "physical affection, partiality" - wikipedia. It has been found that even the Ph balance of people's skin will start to match when they are in a state of empathy. There is great power in "Chemistry".

I have modeled my life and molded my interpretation of the "Venusian Arts" with Chemistry. Future submissions will outline my theories, thoughts, trials, failures, successes, adaptation and development of Chemistry or Death.

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MINI-ANNOUNCEMENTS (includes promos of new sites, podcasts, events, products, etc.)

See the on-line version of this email at www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for more details about many of the following - once on the "Letter" page on the website, scroll down to the Promo section where you will see the Maxi-Announcements.

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- Neil Strauss (Style) has released his latest PUA book following the huge success of The Game. The new book, Rules of The Game, can be pre-ordered here: fsturl.com/u

- Zan Perrion has just launched his new Natural Game forum at www.naturalgame.com. A quote from Zan on the philosophy of the new forum: "It is time for change. I truly believe there is a next level of interaction between men and women that wants to be created on this earth. A Seduction Community 2.0, in a sense. We have hit the boundaries of what it is possible to explore. Like the early adventurers, crafting rickety canoes and rafts with tenuous sails, we have ventured out into the unknown sea and gone as far as these early vessels could take us. To explore further, to discover new lands, to be true treasure hunters, we need faster and better ships... This is the essence of natural game..."

- Suzy Bauer will be finally opening the doors to the Threesome PUA Secret Society and she has done a really sensual video tour of the "virtual lodge" of the Secret Society and you really gotta see it! As the Secret Society is opening on Jan 31st, she's running an "Early Bird" special and by simply trying the Secret Society Membership for 30 days she's giving away a truck load of expensive gifts for free! www.suzybauer.com/

- Mark J. Ryan, The Seduction King, and John Overdurf are giving away one of their greatest products, Mind Power for Life. This is an amazing process that Mark has used very successfully while teaching and coaching men to overcome fear and attain their goals with women. It's a very simple process, easy to implement, and it will change your life overnight. It's completely FREE; they're not even asking for email addresses. Go to www.MindPowerforFree.com and empower yourself now!

- Here is a great audio that is an hour and 20 minutes long about the psychology of strippers. Specifically, this audio describes how strippers are brainwashed, how brainwashing is used to get girls to dance, and how they are taught to brainwash you into giving them all your money. One of the participants in this podcast has written and amazing book about how to make $100,000 a year as a strip club DJ. You won't want to miss this interview by The Seduction King, Mark Ryan. Check out his link: www.stripclubdj101.com/?

- Payton Kane has revised his new powerhouse website and has his spectacular new Home Study Course available: www.seduceandconquer.com/

- The Pickup Podcast with AJ and Jordan continues to bring you the best free audio content in the community on a weekly basis and includes interviews with all the big names from Lance Mason to Ross Jeffries and even Neil Strauss. Check it out at pickuppodcast.com

- Scot McKay has just launched the VIRTUOSITY series, featuring over two-dozen of the most respected names in men's attraction and seduction advice. With six full sections, the amount of sheer value in Scot's new program challenges any advanced series ever produced. Best of all, Scot's character-based approach is very evident throughout. VIRTUOSITY deserves serious consideration by any man who is through with trickery and quick-fixes and is ready to deserve the highest echelon of women on Earth. Full coverage of online dating that rivals stand-alone products elsewhere is one of the many pluses, and even 1-on-1 time with Scot is included. This is a groundbreaking release which is sure to raise the bar. Check it out at: deservewhatyouwant.com/virtuosity/special/ You can also get his flagship ebook product Deserve What You Want here: deservewhatyouwant.com/ebook/

- Gabrielle Moore has prepared an eye-opening video about the G-Spot orgasm. Gabrielle is the author of the now-famous book "The Female Orgasm Revealed". And now Gabrielle decided to take her intimate advice to the next level. You´ll be impressed (just as I was!) To watch the video now, go to: www.thegspotcode.com/afvideo.html

- Jorj has some interesting products available including the "Attraction Magnet" (more details in the full Promo section which is below, only on the website) www.magicalmindpower.com/lovepower.htm

- Johnny Soporno (www.TheWorthyPlayboyInstitute.com), a major hit at the 2006 Cliff's List Convention, is now offering boot camps, his new book, and some extensive free downloads. For more details, check out the full promo below (if you are reading this in an email, it's on the online version of this at www.cliffslist.com).

- Carlos Xuma has just released a very unique and special new program: Power Social Skills: Social Dynamics. This CD set will give you "X-ray" vision - to see past the surface of any social interaction and instantly know what each person is doing. You'll learn how to spot the games people play and defuse them - AND you'll be able to get to deeper connection with people. Go read his special report here: www.powersocialskills.com/

- PUATraining have a video showing a 2 minute day-time KISS CLOSE. It's an unbelievable video. They have that and 25 more in the free to access PUATrainingvault (www.puatraining.com/). To help others gain that unbreakable confidence, they have recently released an instant MP3 download called Approaching Confidence. Check it out here (www.puatraining.com/confidence).

- Magnus of Bristol Lair fame has written a book on Emotional Freedom Technique, with a PUA supplement on improving your Inner Game. The free videos on his site take you through how to use the techniques to reduce your approach anxiety and feel good in the field. There's also an hour-long seminar explaining how the technique works. www.innergametapping.com/

- Magnus: My buddy Sheriff is running a 30 day challenge for guys, with a $1,000 top prize. All you've got to do is keep an online journal, and go out every night. Free to enter, and should super-charge your game. www.growyourgame.com/

- Would you know if she was FAKING IT? Learn to blow her mind every time and set yourself apart from any other guy she has ever been with before. Subscribe to Alex Allman's FREE Newsletter and get hundreds of FREE tips and techniques that will have her bragging to her friends about your skills. www.revolutionarysex.com/

- The Joseph W. South Show! Relationship Mastery. Joseph's Rant on Love, Sex, Relationships... and the Business of Life! josephwentsouth.com

- For a limited time, save $28 on Magic Bullets By Savoy at this review page: www.squidoo.com/magicbulletsbook

- Prof's Seduction Blog is all about Attraction and Pick Up, The life and learnings of a pick up artist. Seduction, dating, and the art of attraction. Meet women of exceptional beauty. www.seduction-blog.com

- Go Here To Download The Seduction Community Toolbar by Diabolik - www.diabolikseduction.com/the-seduction-community-toolbar-by-diabolik/

- Marius Panzarella: This link goes to a special page with the download link for a free ebook and also a discount offer that is only available to readers of Cliff's List. www.datebeautifulwomen.com/ezine.html

- Savoy: www.lovesystems.com/blogs has my blog, Sinn’s blog, Captain Jack’s blog, Tenmagnet’s blog, etc…a lot of talent. And www.lovesystems.com/publications has a free publications library.

- Steve Taylor, a.k.a. Lifeguard, teaches guys how to become a cool, confident, fun and sexy guy that women love. You can sign up for a live workshop or Distance Coaching at www.confidentimage.com or visit his blog: datingskillsforrealmen.blogspot.com

- Any girl deserves a chance to be presented with a choice... and we sometimes need to forgive and forget the people who made us create negative assumptions about the new women we meet... www.NoNonSenseLife.com - It's written in both English and Spanish

- How to attract women Naturally! Check out Cameron Teone’s Building Attraction Secrets. What makes this book any different or unique to other books? The fact that it makes a perfect symbiosis between inner game and outer game on the one hand, and the theoretical and practical on the other hand as well as implementing the very important concepts of lifestyle and masculinity in a very practical manner that will change your life forever. Check it out at www.attractwomenanywhere.com/ebook.html

- ACE is a specialist in the art of charisma and teaches workshops. Email acepua@gmail.com to arrange a place.

- Jake Rockford: How to separate the men from the boys: Finally there is an "all-in-one" toolbox for utimate success for today's Urban Renaissance Man. Whether you want natural And simple ways To meet, attract, and date The women Who Are Right For YOU, learn how to get a kick-butt, no-nonsense workout in as little as four minutes while saying 'Goodbye' to health club fees, or master ancient and powerful tantric secrets of multiple orgasm for both you AND her, "The Dangerous Book" has it all! All this plus a goldmine of games, puzzles, bar bets, and impromptu magic tricks for fun and fascination anywhere, anytime and time-tested tools to build focus, intention, and creativity... The Dangerous Book is here to help you be your absolute best! www.thedangerousbook.net/Check_it_out.html

- Lucas J. West : You can sign up for my email list at www.LucasWest.com. The second or third email you'll get gives you a direct link to everything I've put out over the past year. I recommend reading the Rapport Report and the Path of Least Resistance as your major starting points (they're both free). As for Demonic Confidence, that's at www.DemonicConfidence.com. Guys can contact Lucas if they already have decided they want a skype hypnosis session with a reputable professional by sending him an email at lucas@lucaswest.com.

- New product release: "The Naturally Magnetic Male Conditioning System." Are you interested in developing a high level of charisma and personal magnetism that will help you in EVERY area of your life? The 15 clear cut steps use progressive conditioning, the best charisma techniques and traits of naturals to bring out the magnetic male already living within you. puahelpdesk.com/
- Lisa Lloyd offers "The Only Real Lesbian Seduction Guide For Men" which she claims will give you a head start on other men when dating. The guide reveals dating methods from a lesbian perspective, as "a fascinating insight into a woman's mind/body and she answers questions such as "Why can't women say no to other women?" www.lesbian-seduction-guide.com/

- Attract and Date has released the new Home Study Course: 10 students filmed on a Workshop where everyone had, at least, a date from the street. Great quality of picture and sound! Everyone is wired with audio and action is totally realistic. You get to see their shining successes and big failures also. See and HEAR for the first time students like a 40 year old scientist that never approached on the street with Sharks "I like you" and getting fantastic results! Go to www.AttractAndDate.com to see 50 screen shots from the DVD Course. Get inspired!

- Frank B Kermit (www.lulu.com/content/1585762): Brother Kermit has just published I'm A Man, That's My Job: The Philosophy of a Seducer, A Complete Inner Game Workbook. Here is the link: www.lulu.com/content/875062 You can buy it for $49.95 US. It has all the lists, plus more. The rules of relationships The base life philosophies AND A description of the 10 stages of development from Loser to Seducer to Natural. This book also has charts to track your development. Are you curious as to what goes on at lair meetings? Well, we can not tell you the details, but I can share this with you: We do Emotional Needs Analysis as a group. What is an ENA (Emotional Needs Analysis)? You are given a situation, based on a real experience, and then do an analysis of that situation applying Frank B Kermit's 10 emotional needs of women theories. It was developed as part of the Bring Up the Skill Levels of All Newbies Program. If you were banned from a lair, or if you want to learn seduction, but do not want to be identified by other students of the art, you can still get the lair experience. Just check out this 120+ preview: www.lulu.com/browse/preview.php?fCID=1585762 Go through it. Check it out. See if you got the understanding of men-women dynamics to figure out the answer. I hope you learn something.

- Art, the well know day game master, has been with Pickup community since 2002 and has just started Pick Up Future, a site that will hold predictions about the future of the pickup community, and which direction community is heading. Did you know that Pickup is becoming an industry? Did you know that Style Life training was ahead of Mystery Method in visitors? Do you know what will happen in 2008 for pickup community? If you would like to know answers to this and many more other question, and see what future holds for pick up artists, then go to www.PickUpFuture.com. He also has just launched his new site, centered around educating men on seduction in 1on1 carefully individualized coaching packages. Available only in NYC: www.NewYorkDatingCoach.com

- Most dating "gurus" talk about inner game, but fall far short in actually providing you with practical solutions for solving your inner game issues. With his Hypnotica's program, "Ultimate Inner Game", you can transform your mind and emotions in just days! www.ultimateinnergame.com/

- DiClassified DRILLS! Vin DiCarlo of DiCarlo DiClassified has released his new drill-based training, which boasts a total of 36+ real time drills specifically designed for pick-up training. Drills based-training develops your game in a way that is systematic, effective, personalized, natural and best of all, fun! The curriculum can be found at www.vindicarlo.com/drills

- Thundercat's Art of Approaching is available here: www.artofapproaching.com/

- Want to master your sex life? Male escort and liv e s ex performer NathanX leads a team of male and female s ex instructors in their intensive and popular workshop “Sexual Mastery for Men”. They teach what 99.9% of guys do not know and will never know. Where PUA skills end, sexual mastery skills begin. PUA skills enable you to get the girl. Sexual and relationship management enables you to keep her in the sort of relationships you want. Workshops also include a live demonstration of techniques! What they teach at MYSL is the real deal. No one else in the world is teaching what they teach. Free videos, audios and blog. www.masteryoursexlife.com/products/volume1/

- Doc, a featured speaker at both the 2005 & 2006 Cliff's List Conventions, is holding seminars. For more info go to his new site at www.TrueLifeSkills.com.

- David Wygant has a number of products available, including his Men's Audio Mastery Series (a complete 8 volume set), his book for men, Date to Win, his Girls Tell All Audio Series, one on Pickups and one on Secrets of Sex, his book Meet Someone Today, his audio product What's Your Excuse, and his original signature book Always Talk to Strangers. More info at: www.davidwygant.com/

- Cardinal just wanted to let you know that he's going to release The Cardinal Flight Plan (CFP) Ebook soon. He's so confident that this book is going to be a hit, he's going to offer the first 25 people a free copy! Yup, the first 25 people to visit Seductiontech.com will get a free copy. He will send out a mass email once he officially releases the CFP... Go to Seductiontech.com and sign-up for his newsletter, and be sure to watch your email.

- In the Toronto area Christiano has been teaching men to work from their inner game to outer game in a way that is congruent to their identity. Most see results after being taught the skills in the workshop immediately. Find out more by visiting: bestnaturalgame.com.

- Ron Louis & David Copeland have put out a new ebook "How to be the Bad Boy Women Love." Find out more at howtosucceedwithwomen.com/htg/

- New Book/Audio release: "Park Bench Dating." Are you currently meeting women in the day time? Do you know how easy it is to get a quality number in a few minutes, just as you go through your day? Written by Art, an NYC dating coach, who came from PUA community and turned pure natural. Covered by The New York Times and ABC Television, his methods of meeting in the day time are so effective simply because they are so easy to use everyday. www.ParkBenchDating.com

- Uncle Ruckus has started a new youtube show called "The Nice Guy Show" and he'd like for you to watch. You can also visit his home page at www.adviceonwomen.com. He plugs Cliff's List on a recent one, too!

- Society "Of Cool" - Description of Group: Simple: This place is for all of you dudes and chicks who are rad cool and want to step their game up in life with wealth building(money) and relationship building (women/men). Living a healthy lifestyle is considered "cool" as well.. This place is ONLY FOR COOL PEOPLE. If you are a beta male, chump, nerd, loser, you are getting your a$$ banned! Visit this Link: www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=1

- Here's a neat one, originally proposed to me by Johnny Soporno. Take one of these pills daily (male or female) and taste sweet: sweetsecretions.com/cgi-bin/ustorekeeper.pl
- Gigi has just launched a new website: www.puaratings.com PUA Ratings evolves around a rating system for PUA products, where you can rate and write your own reviews about your favorite (and not so favorite) seduction products or boot camps, and read what others have to say about them, before you make a purchase. The site also features a 'PUA Comparison Engine', a tool that will become more and more viable as more reviews enter the system. There's also a forum and a live chat where live events will be hosted. So make your opinion count - sharpen your keyboards and start writing reviews!

- Rion Williams has announced and released his pioneering 'Secret to Women' video, downloadable eBook and podcast. Something as ambitious as that just has to be seen for yourself. www.secretofwomen.com/resources.htm. Rion has also released the community/content site 'AboveTheGame.NET.' Its got articles, blogs, user profiles, an active forum, chat and more. You can even create your own blog and submit your own dating/seduction content or questions. The community is focused on how to be a 'natural' ladies man. www.abovethegame.net

- Herbal, one of the characters made famous by The Game, has finally released an ebook after taking some time away from the community. He also offers a free 10 Day E-Mail Bootcamp." For more information, visit www.makeherchaseyou.com/

Captain Jack has a couple of new products out, check these out:

1) The Warrior-King Society: Freedom, Money, Sex and Power Crush Previous Income Levels, Recapture Lost Sexual Vigor and Health, Rediscover Your Innate Masculine Instincts and Drive So You Can Dominate Your World and Become King of Your Own Ideal Life --Like You were Destined To... Captain Jack's Warrior King Society: www.thewarriorkingsociety.com/
2) Captain Jack's Six Week eCoaching Program for Discovering How to Sexualize Your Game, Blast Through Sticking Points and Build a Social Circle in Just 42 Days www.betheseducer.com/

- Cardinal (www.Seductiontech.com): Puanetwork.com Web 2.0 Live! I just wanted to let you know that the New Web2.0 Version of the Puanetwork is up and live. Since the show aired, the puanetwork has really picked up! Ignore my PUN =) Come join the fastest growing social networking site for the community!

- How to be an all-around cooler person - completely free, practical advice for guys on social skills, getting along with people, and getting your act together - all written by a recovered loser. Not everyone will need to read the material here, but take a look if you think you could benefit from improving your people skills before diving into the seduction game. Feel free to check it out at www.howtobecooler.com

- LayGuide was the original inspiration for Neil Strauss to write "The Game" and is still the most thorough and continually updated collection of the best dating, attraction and seduction tips in the world: www.layguide.com/

- In The Game by Neil Strauss, "TwoTimer" is talked about as one of the top players. His more commonly known handle is IN10SE, and his "Octoberman Sequence" has been whispered about and become a LEGEND in the on-line Pickup artist community. It's rumored to give a woman ULTIMATE pleasure and you ULTIMATE control - in as little as 15 minutes! Only the BEST of the BEST know it. Check it out here: www.octoberman.com/

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PROMOS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & REVIEWS SECTION
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LAIR SECTION
(Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women). More Lair Listings can be found at dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at www.bristollair.com, as well as at www.seductionlair.com:

Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women.

More Lair Listings can be found at dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at www.bristollair.com, as well as at www.seductionlair.com:

A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/

LAIR GROUP
If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com
Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers. Join this group (lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (www.lairlist.com/).

HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Lair meetings are scheduled currently once a month on Sundays. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. The Lair now has a magnificent new online discussion forum that was put together by Loveur.

The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.

Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):

MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.

NEW FRENCH MONTREAL LAIR FORMED
Good news! Montreal has now a FRENCH Lair! Oui! Ever wanted to be part of a lair without having to learn another language?
- A lair which would offer you support
- A lair which would allow you to find new wingman
- A lair where you would be able to learn
- A lair where you would be able to share
- A lair which would offer occasions to sarge
- A lair where you would be able to conquer your fear
- A lair which would allow you to become a better PUA 100 times faster
And all that in FRENCH! Now is your chance! We've just opened our forum located at www.seduire.ca , registration are free. You can also apply to become a Montreal VIP which will offer you the possibility to be part of the best French PUA Team in Montreal. We also have a section dedicated to people of Quebec City cause we love you :) Note that the sooner you become part of our family, the sooner you'll be the person you want to become.
Many of our members are experts in specifics techniques such as Mystery Method, Juggler Method, direct/indirect techniques and know about their stuff. They are the people you want to hang with. As David DeAngelo too often said: "You want to befriend those people who've got the talent you want to have so you can learn with them and from them." The forum is located at www.seduire.ca. We hope to see you there soon!

NEW LAIR IN TORONTO
Frank B Kermit's Toronto Seduction Lair
No Minors! No Hazing Rituals! No Membership Fees! No Referral Link 'Click Fees'! No Forced Paid Workshops to gain access! No Organized Pirating of Copyright Materials! No illegal activates nor criminal associations whatsoever! Fully MODERATED to encourage a 100% RESPECTFUL learning environment!
An Advanced Section for Gurus and Top Guys who have mastered basic game! Separate sections for Commercial announcements and seduction Discussions!
Seduction Gurus are WELCOMED directly into the Advanced Section! An Active Free Newbie System designed to bring up skill levels FASTER!
Men's Only Group (confidentiality and privacy assured)! A Seduction FOCUSED group, no distractions! www.torontolair.ca/

THE TORONTO LAIR
The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.

MORE TORONTO
There are at least two other PUA groups in Toronto:
www.torontophoenixsociety.com
and
www.torontolair.org

VANCOUVER SOCIAL BOARD
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

NEW SOUTH AFRICAN SEDUCTION LAIR:
The South African Seduction Lair unites guys from all the major cities in Johannesburg, Cape Town, Port Elizabeth and Durban. We have a excellent cultural mix and therefore the women are very diverse and different strategies sometimes need to be applied to achieve results. We have very experienced members in Speed Seduction, NLP, Direct Approach, Cocky & Funny, etc. We will introduce you to a key wingman in your city. And on our Google Group you can download free resources from all over the Internet. Contact ramon@ramonthomas.com for more info. Join here: groups.google.com/group/sa-seduction-lair

NEW BRIGHTON LAIR
Darklight wrote to announce the new Lair which has just been set up in sunny Brighton on the south coast of England. They are a small group of PUAs hitting up the bars, clubs, street and beaches of Brighton. People are welcome to join, all styles and skill levels -- so long as they are active in field. Contact them at uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/brightonpickup/ or at brightonpickup@googlemail.com

IRISH LAIR
The Irish Lair has 211 members and was started December, 2005. Its Lair Leader is Stealth and their website is: www.irishseduction.com/forum or you can contact: stealth.waves@gmail.com or xrockridgex@gmail.com

New Lair in Grenoble
grenoblelair.free.fr/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE:
I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporadically for sarging and for scheduled meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com.

AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com
Also, a new board has been started named AUSTRIAN SEDUCTON COMMUNITY (ASC) and the Lair URL for that is www.austrianseduction.com. Ben and Rey can be reached at info@6system.info. Described as the next generation of PU-Communities! ASC supports you with: - public/private photo albums; Event calender & Lair meeting System; PU-Lexicon; Video Blog; personal Notes System; & the best German-speaking PUAs including 2 females!

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.

SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire! Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks, Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.

EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here: http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/

ISRAEL LAIR
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to www.tironut69.com

DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in pursuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com

TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com Also, go to www.toplair.com/ for more information about PUA Lair activity in Tampa.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at: Julien72@bluewin.ch

NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago

NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
Edmonton Men's Social Improvement Club, a Registered Non-Profit Organization can be reached at: www.socialimprovementclub.org or by email: applicants@socialimprovementclub.org

SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.

PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com

BELGIUM: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info: groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.

NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.

DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: wingman.meetup.com/6/ or www.DallasSeductionLair.com

DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum (www.dallaspua.com/forum), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to www.DallasPua.com

HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rock stars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night, 10PM in Norwich City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.

VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/

NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.

SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.

THIRD NEW YORK CITY LAIR STARTED:
NYC Wingman. Here is the Link : wingman.meetup.com/31/?gj=sj2

BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's constantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com

SCOTLAND LAIR
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.

BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wing