Mommy's little secret

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THIS IS CLIFF'S PRIVATE LIST, A F*R*E*E* E-MAIL RELATING TO SEDUCTION

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CLIFF'S LIST UPDATES:

The "Cliff's List Project" continues. Work is progressing on both sites and we expect to be able to offer the 2006 DVDs for sale relatively soon. The project has grown dramatically and the ideas just keep coming. Expect to see Cliff’s List developments that will surprise and excite you!

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EVENT ANNOUNCEMENTS:

Clifford: NEW DOUBLE YOUR DATING SEMINAR!!
Can you come with me to this? I just talked to David DeAngelo, and I'm going to do my best to be at his new live seminar in April. I wanted to let you know, and invite you to come along to the program with me, and go through David's only live training in 3 years. I realize that this is short notice, but David is opening up the registration for the program on Wednesday the 6th of February (CONFIRMED dates for the event are April 7th to 11th, 5 days). If you are interested in coming to the program, you should go and get on his email interest list as soon as possible. He has been telling his subscribers and customers about it, and already has 15,000 or so guys on the interest list - it looks like this program is going to sell out instantly (the last seminar he did almost no one knew about it because he sent a notice to a smaller list and it sold out right away). Here's the place you can get on his interest list and have a shot at registering for this once-in-a-lifetime program: www.mantransformationprogram.com/CD395 Sign up now, and come join many other special guests (probably me, too) at the event!

Dimitri The Lover:
SPECIAL TORONTO REAL MEN MEETING ON FEBRUARY 13, 2008!
Our next TORONTO REAL MEN meeting features Dimitri The Lover lecturing 3 solid hours on how to seduce women THE DAY AFTER VALENTINE'S DAY, using a SECRET METHOD. Don't try to pick up women ON Valentine's Day, since their expectations are WAY TOO HIGH. But every year from February 15th to 17th, Dimitri The Lover collects dozens of phone numbers. 2008 is especially significant in that those dates fall on a weekend! Dimitri The Lover will discuss WHERE to meet romantically shell-shocked sluts and HOW to approach them. The opportunity to seduce women this impressionable only comes up once a year. TORONTO REAL MEN meetings are held the second Wednesday of each month at 7PM (snacks/beverages served). Everyone joining TORONTO REAL MEN receives 10% off all of Dimitri The Lover's controversial courses, and is sent his complimentary newsletter, TORONTO SLUT ALERT. For details go to www.TorontoRealMen.com.

Savoy: ***Special Announcement*** The buzz for the Love Systems’ “Change Your Life” SuperConference is insane. Las Vegas February 22-24. It brings together the biggest names in the community like Sinn, Savoy, Captain Jack, Tenmagnet, Badboy Lifestyles, Brad P, Pickup 101, Carlos Xuma, ThunderCat, and more. What makes this event so cool is that it’s two sessions going on, so you can make sure you are only focusing on the things that you actually need. You can see a full agenda (and sign up) here www.lovesystems.com/.../. They have a mix of speakers, interactive exercises, panels, and mini-seminars for the teaching style that suits YOU best. In addition to covering the important tactical stuff like Opening, Attraction, Comfort, and so on, they have sessions on: online game, phone game, threesomes, dates, how to choose a venue, winging, body language, fashion, direct game (Badboy), day game (Sinn), strippers (Sinn), social anxiety (Brad P), relationship management (Savoy), and more. And if that’s not enough, Sinn is advertising that he’ll be teaching all new material he’s been working on for the 5+ hours he’ll be teaching. Savoy – one of the greatest if most private masters of the community and the author of Magic Bullets (www.lovesystems.com/.../) and the Love Systems Routines Manual (www.lovesystems.com/.../) – will be showing video for the first time of one of his pickups and how he did it. And more, and more, and more. I don’t send out stuff for things I don’t believe in, but this is an absolute can’t-miss event. The price is $950 for Silver Level and $3,750 for Gold (Gold includes two nights of workshop, private sessions with Sinn and Savoy, etc.) Sign up here (www.lovesystems.com/.../)!
P.S. The discount on hotel rooms at the seminar hotel expires in a couple of days, so make sure you sign now if you want a cheap room.
P.P.S. Love Systems instructor Cajun, who will be teaching at the SuperConference, went on Keys to the VIP…it’s not some promo show to make him look good; he actually had to compete with other guys and the judges were definitely not completely on his side! It’s live, hidden camera footage with a panel of judges comparing him to another contestant. A lot of really good pickup to be learned from it too.
Here’s the link to the video: video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2009352446961728591
Here’s Cajun’s post about it: www.theattractionforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58691&highlight=cajun

Frank B. Kermit (aka Brother Kermit):
Frank is holding Frank's First Official Seminar, THE INNER GAME SEMINAR which will be held in Toronto Friday March 28th through Sunday March 30th, and will feature over 30 hours of time with Frank B Kermit, Johnny Soporno, Michael The Dating Wizard, Christiano Jr, and Robert El Greco. Seats are limited to 60 people. For more information: please contact frank@franktalks.com

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Oliver Turner (www.captivatetoconnect.com/):

27 Lessons Learned From Meeting Women during the Day

I recently challenged myself to come up with a list of 26 lessons learned in the meeting women during the day. It wasn't easy, but I finally finished the list this morning.

I was always told, “Don’t tell ‘em what you did, tell ‘em what you learned.”

Therefore, here are 27 lessons I’ve learned from going out there, for years now and meeting thousands of girls in the process.

1. You become unique
2. It stands out in her eyes when you do it right
3. Confidence is key not boldness
4. The harder the situation, the more she’ll appreciate your effort
5. Women that are walking fast are approachable
6. The first 30 seconds to 3 minutes is the make or break deal
7. If you act like it’s normal then it becomes normal
8. “I have a boyfriend” means “If you’re a loser you will leave me alone”
9. You can pick up a girl in almost any situation
10. Don’t overdress
11. If you’re introduced to her you can get away with trying for rapport with her, in the first couple of minutes
12. You get the lines “It was nice meeting you” when you stall out or start to make things uncomfortable
13. You got to get her to a full stop when she’s moving
14. You got to get her to sit down if she’s stationary
15. You got to get her to walk with you if she’s sitting down
16. Hired guns are paid to be nice
17. Have your logistics planned out
18. Emotional Connection is the heart of day game
19. Bitchiness lasts less than a minute if you know what you’re doing
20. Timing is key
21. It takes an average of 3-15 minutes to get her comfortable enough to go on an instant date with you
22. If you see a guy with a girl, it’s highly likely they are friends
23. It’s not weird to call her up the same day that you get her number
24. Lower energy is appropriate most of the time
25. You can take it slow if you’ll see her again
26. If she’s still talking to you then you’re doing good

Let me ask you this…
What did you learn from going out there to meet women?

If you can’t answer…you should be out there, RIGHT NOW, finding out the answer to my question

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pzn_player:
Quick but nice MSN #-close

This is what I call a nice MSN number close. I got this chick straight off Facebook. I randomly added her and asked for her MSN. Her MSN nickname said she was in Miami, so I decided to bust on that.

Here's the MSN chat. Enjoy, any of you can mimic what I do and easily pull the number from a girl you just met.

Me: listen
Me: we need to talk
Her: ahah ok
Me: i wanna break up with you
Me: I’m sorry I have to do this over MSN..
Her: :(
Her: why?
Me: it’s obvious...u went to Miami and didn't take me with you!
Her: lollll
Her: I left before we got to know each other
Me: you can't fool me...I know you still like me but this is too much...I don’t think any boyfriend likes being left in the cold while his selfish girlfriend is getting tanned on the beach
Her: stopppp I didn't abandon you
Me: maybe I’ll give you another chance when you're back in Mtl, but you will have to take me out and be a sweetheart
Her: I'll be
Me: and you know what else?
Her: noo
Me: I deleted your phone number from my cell 2, because I was soooo mad you left without me
Her: loll
Me: so give it to me again, I’ll call u in a few days, and give you one last chance to make this up to me
Her: aight
Her: ahahahaha
Her: 514 *** - ****
Me: I don’t even wanna take it down anymore, I’m so mad at you
Me: better bring me back a little souvenir from there, ok?
Her: lolll
Me: stop Lolling my ass and bring me my souvenir!
Me: btw, I had the absolute sickest trip to Toronto
Me: u wouldn’t believe
Her: it was nice?
Me: you know when you're with the right ppl and every moment is unforgettable?

She didn't respond in the next 3 minutes and I went off in her face. I usually tell them if they take more than 2-3 minutes to respond, they will be blocked until the next time I'm bored.

As you can see, I role-played. That's all I did. And the whole time the subtle frame I presented was "she wants me a lot more than I want her, she wants to sleep with me, but I won't let her sleep with me too easily"

I'm getting massive success these days by just repeatedly telling her how much she wants me but how badly she's afraid to admit it.

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Sim:
My success story...

I've always been a confident person, but with a lot of things I loved to take a back seat and observe, and a lot of other things I was always the first to do. I never had approach anxiety until I read the game, which I found very odd, not sure if any others had the same issue.. I have an awful lot of friends, and I never really appreciated them for how good to me they were. I was content; from learning "pick up" I lost a number of "friends", because I was trying to better myself, and change, but gained new ones, and learned which of my original mates were truly mates. But I was still content. I wasn't happy, I wasn't sad, and getting excited seemed to be a rare occasion, and I lost the ability to become emotionally connected to anybody. But disaster and what I see now as luck were around the corner...

I was stabbed on the early hours of the 7th of December. Mistaken identity, and to spare the gory details I was 1/2 an inch from death. For me it was just a kick in the arse that reminded me of the point of life. If you want to be happy, and want to be confident, or you never wish to be bored, you have to seize the moment. When I think about it, now I'm actually grateful they attacked me, because it showed me just how many people cared and loved me. I was in hospital for 5 days, every single day I had a minimum of 20 visitors. My friends; some were local, some came from 50 miles away, some even traveled the length of the UK to come and see me, to make sure I was ok. I had friends, colleagues, family (from across UK and France) all came to visit and make sure I was ok. It clicked, I'd touched people’s lives and I didn't know it. I was loved and cared about, and didn't know it. I'd taken everybody in my life for granted, and didn't realize. I'm some what of a poet in my spare time, and I wrote a poem to summarize my feelings at the time.

Twenty years
It's been twenty years since my world was born,
Everyday my old memories become worn.
I have witnessed utopia, and death,
We are limited in life; we loose some in every breath.
I've felt so alone, deserted and left out,
But I have friends and respect, of that I have no doubt.

A lot of my life I've looked at as an unholy sadness shower,
But now I see we can all shimmer with power.
From feeling the bitter cold of losing a friend,
I've seen the light of life; which we can only spend.
Things in this world never stay the same,
But now I understand, there is nothing to blame!

From a shy and sad young boy,
I became a confused teenager, with a self-imploding attitude,
As a young man I became loveless and a sex toy,
As the man I've become, I observe my life with gratitude.

The vibrations of happiness come from within,
The power inside is uncontrollable, used for good or for sin.
The devil inside is but a metaphor,
The opinions don't matter; they're a bore.

Twenty years of love and death,
Twenty years of 'life in every breath'.

Please note, this poem is copywrited to simrisks since 2007.

Since my recovery, I've devoted more time to those who care. If I'm bored and have nothing to do, I don't watch TV, or play computer games, I either log onto the Internet, check my emails, and then log into MSN, I pick a random friend, find out if they’re available, and go and make their day. If there is something happening for work, or local charity event, I'll attend. I do more charity work now, (my latest adventure was walking through central London dressed as Iron Man, collecting for cancer research.) If there is nothing like that going on, I will drive to a random town, and check out what's there. I aim to make at least 3 new friends in every town I visit. As of September, I plan on traveling the world, and working my way around. Between my friend dying at 17, and my recent incident, I've come to realize, Death is waiting on us all, so why wait for him. Material possessions mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, but memories can live for an eternity.

I'm not suggesting giving up your lives to travel the world, but try to do one new thing a day, and try to bring a smile to a stranger’s face at least once a day, and you'll begin to be grateful for the most glorious gift you can have in life: life itself. Master this, and you'll become a magnet, for success, happiness, and the opposite sex, as long as you don't think about things too much, you'll be fine.

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Cesare Cardinali:

From the Globe and Mail, By CAROLYN ABRAHAM, Saturday, December 14, 2002 – Print Edition, Page F1: fsturl.com/18

Mommy's little secret

As we gather to mark the festive season, here's one juicy morsel mom won't be dishing up: that guy you call your dad may not be. DNA testing has revolutionized medical science, CAROLYN ABRAHAM reports, but it also has uncovered the myth of female monogamy. Now doctors are wondering how to break the news to men

They came to the hospital together, a husband, a wife and the little daughter they feared had been cursed by inheritance. Since birth, she had struggled to breathe, and all the signs pointed to cystic fibrosis.

If the girl truly had the incurable disease that clogs the lungs, she had to have received two copies of a CF gene, one from each parent. Tests at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto confirmed the family's worst fears -- and then some.

The girl was indeed afflicted. Her mom carried one of the culprit genes. But her dad, the doctors discovered, was quite a different story. His DNA showed no sign of a CF gene, which means he is not a carrier and he is not her dad.

Hospital staff have felt bound to keep the secret from him. But when they told the mom, it came as no surprise; it rarely does. "It is probably true in a lot of families, that daddy is not who you think it is," says Steve Scherer, a senior scientist in department of genetics at the Hospital for Sick Children.

As families gather this festive season, here is a spicy fact that mothers might be loath to dish out at the holiday table: It's now widely accepted among those who work in genetics that roughly 10 per cent of us are not fathered by the man we believe to be dad. Geneticists have stumbled upon this phenomenon in the course of conducting large population studies and hunting for genes that cause diseases such as cystic fibrosis. They find full siblings to be half-siblings, fathers who are genetic strangers to more than one of their children and uncles who are much closer to their nieces and nephews than anyone might guess. Lumped under the heading of "pedigree errors," these so-called mis-paternities, false paternities and non-paternities are all science jargon for the unwitting number of us who are chips off someone else's block.

The proverbial postman seems to be ringing twice in everyone's neighbourhood. Non-paternity is believed to cut across all socio-economic classes and many cultures. Factor it into genealogical attempts to trace ancestry and it can snap entire branches from a family tree. Considered in light of long-held views about sexual behaviour, it exposes the myth of female monogamy and utterly shakes the assumption that women are biologically driven to single-mate bliss.

The widespread use of DNA analysis has presented science and society with all sorts of new ethical problems, and now it's pulling this naked truth out of the closet and into the courtroom. Men who call themselves "Duped Dads" are looking for legal redress to protect themselves against paternity fraud, raising questions about the definition of fatherhood. Several U.S. states are considering legislation that could exempt non-biological fathers from having to pay child support.

Even the most learned among us are grappling with the implications. Last month, the 10-per-cent non-paternity rate was cited during a science seminar for judges in Halifax.

"The judges were just shocked; they really couldn't get over how many people this would affect," Dr. Scherer said. "They kept saying things about all those poor people who might be misled -- never realizing that one of them might actually be among them!"

The notion of a woman carrying the child of someone other than her partner is older than the Christmas story itself. No geneticist believes non-paternity to be purely the product of modern immorality; they have been tripping over the infidelities of earlier generations for decades. Cheryl Shuman, director of genetic counseling at the Hospital for Sick Children, said that 15 years ago, when genetic tests were less powerful, researchers had to draw blood from a child, his or her parents and both sets of grandparents. "Sometimes we'd get a call from the grandmother, and she'd say, 'Listen, my son, or my daughter, doesn't know that their father is not their real father. . . .'" In the interests of maintaining family peace, Ms. Shuman said, the tests would be dismissed as "uninformative."

Over the years, the hospital has relied on the advice of lawyers and ethicists to develop policies for handling the situation. For example, its consent form now warns what a genetic test can reveal. Parents "will sometimes giggle in the waiting room when they read the paragraph about non-paternity," Ms. Shuman said. "But then we get the phone call later, forewarning us as to what we might find." When a test disqualifies a father, "most women do express some surprise, but then there is a resignation, or an acceptance that they were kind of half anticipating this was going to happen. But then all this is followed very quickly by panic and questions as to whether or not we will betray their confidentiality."

If the case involves an expectant mother, Ms. Shuman explained, the hospital's legal obligation is clear: The developing baby is considered part of the mother and the results of the tests therefore belong to her.

After birth, the course of action is less clear, she said, but lawyers advise that the child is to be considered the patient, whose needs trump those of the parents. Since telling the father could trigger a breakup and leave the child without proper support, the hospital keeps the secret. Sometimes it can be a whopper.

In one family with four daughters, the DNA analysis was so surprising that counselors asked the mother to explain. "It turned out that the daughters had three different fathers," said Peter Ray, a scientist at the hospital. "We cannot make any conclusions based on the family structures as they are presented to us."

In the research world, when scientists come across a father in a mismatched family, they toss the sample. If pedigree errors are not caught, Dr. Scherer said, they can wreak statistical havoc with a study: "People have made careers designing software to catch these kinds of things."

Sample mix-ups can skew results, as can an extremely rare condition discovered in 1989 in which a child inherits two copies of the same chromosome from one parent, obscuring the contribution of the other. But as the number of gene hunts and diagnostic tests has grown and grown, the leading cause of these anomalies has proved to be mistaken fatherhood. Some peg the range at 5 to 10 per cent; others, such as Jeanette Papp of the University of California at Los Angeles, feel that 15 per cent is reasonable for the Western world, even if there is no hard evidence. "It's hard to do studies on these things for ethical reasons," says Dr. Papp, director of genotyping and sequencing in UCLA's department of human genetics. "I mean, how do you tell people what you're really looking for?"

A British survey conducted between 1988 and 1996 by Robin Baker, a former professor at the University of Manchester, confirmed the 10-per-cent figure. That seems high to skeptics such as Dalhousie University geneticist Paul Neumann, although even he admitted that "my colleague, who's a woman, tells me women have no trouble believing it. . It's the men who can't."

Bernard Dickens, a specialist in health law and policy at the University of Toronto, said that in another British example, the non-paternity rate was three times that.

In the early 1970s, a school teacher in southern England assigned a class science project in which his students were to find out the blood types of their parents. The students were then to use this information to deduce their own blood types (because a gene from each parent determines your blood type, in most instances only a certain number of combinations are possible). Instead, 30 per cent of the students discovered their dads were not their biological fathers.

"The classroom was, of course, not the ideal place to find out this information," said Prof. Dickens, who is often consulted on ethical issues by geneticists at the Hospital for Sick Children.

He feels, as do many researchers, that culture can determine whether false paternity is very high or very low. For example, in Muslim Egypt, the integrity of lineage is so important that neither sperm or egg donation nor adoption is permitted, let alone sexual indiscretion. But false paternity causes obvious problems for anyone who values a clear pedigree and makes it a statistical impossibility to trace the true identity of our ancestors back more than a few generations.

Robert Moyzis, a molecular geneticist at the University of California at Irvine, recently had to break this news to a friend who had spent considerable energy and resources compiling a family history that stretched back 1,000 years. "I had to plug the numbers into a computer model and prove it to him. The chances that he was related to the ancestor he thought were zero."

Logistically, it may seem that only men are naturally programmed for multiple partners. After all, they can produce sperm by the thousands 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and do it well into their retirement years. Women, on the other hand, are limited to the eggs they were born with, maturing one a month and not much past their fourth decade of life. The precious few shots that women have at reproduction may drive them to seek the best mate for prospective offspring -- though the decision might be wholly unconscious.

This notion is bolstered by the "sperm wars" theory, in which Britain's Dr. Baker has noted that sperm of two different men can effectively battle over the spoils of fertilizing the egg in a woman's reproductive tract.

In 1999, a questionnaire in Britain found that most women tended to be unfaithful to their long-term partners around the time they were most fertile. That same year, researchers at St. Andrew's University in Scotland concluded that women seem to desire different types of men at different times of the month. When they are most likely to conceive, they are attracted to men who have very masculine features, preferring more feminine men when they are not ovulating.

The researchers suggested that women may subconsciously feel that beefy men may make a better biological contribution to a baby, but softer features may signal a better father.

And strangers may have a biological advantage. "There is actually data from Britain," said sexual-behaviour expert Judith Lipton, "that suggests a woman may be more likely to conceive with a fresh partner because a woman can essentially develop antibodies against her regular partner's sperm, so that she may be more likely to be impregnated by fresh sperm."

Between 30 and 50 per cent of women cheat on their partners, compared with 50 to 80 per cent of men, said Dr. Lipton, a psychiatrist with the Swedish Medical Center in Washington who last year co-wrote The Myth of Monogamy with her husband, David Barash.

"This jibes with the idea that as many as 10 per cent of these relations may result in pregnancy," she said, explaining that women may cheat as an escape from a bad marriage, for revenge on a cheating partner, to find a better provider, or just for fun. All this messing around might have been predicted by animal behaviour, but it has been only recently that researchers learned just how hard faithful females are to find in any species.

Dr. Barash, a zoologist and professor of psychology at the University of Washington, explained that while it was generally known that most mammals are rarely monogamous, certain species were held up as paragons of virtue. Scientists believed, for example, fidelity was definitely for the birds. "But not even the swans are monogamous, and they were the poster children for monogamy. Despite their waterfront property, they still sneak around with the neighbours."

With the 1980s advent of DNA fingerprinting, a quick molecular test that, among other things, tells scientists whether two creatures are genetically related, researchers have realized social monogamy has little bearing on sexual monogamy in the animal kingdom. "A lot of hanky-panky goes on even if two creatures set up house together," Dr. Barash said.

Despite thousands of hours of observation, birds managed to fool not only their mates into thinking they were faithful, but their observers. Yet DNA tests show that 10 to 50 per cent of birds are fathered by a male other than the one sharing the nest.

"We always knew the possibility was there for males to be available and receptive to EPC -- extra-pair copulation -- but what was not known was that the mated females would do the same thing," Dr. Barash said.

In part, researchers figured females would be deterred from cheating since they had more to lose than a male by fooling around -- their mate might stop foraging to feed the hungry offspring, cutting off the animal equivalent of child support, or worse, turn violent. Yet this, he said, seems only to have inspired females to perfect the art of secrecy and deception: They persistently sneak off in search of stronger genes, better feeding grounds, good providers and protectors.

These trysts may have been overlooked, said Frances Burton, an anthropologist at the University of Toronto, because the researchers were often male. "There is a weird double feedback thing that goes on when it comes to observing animals, particularly non-human primates. We impose upon the observations human prejudices . . . it can obfuscate whatever truth there is."

Even the fact that female animals actually derive enjoyment from copulation wasn't fully accepted until 1971, when Prof. Burton showed that female monkeys stimulated with an electric toothbrush did in fact reach orgasm. "Though they rarely did with male monkeys," she added, "because the males did not engage them for long enough periods."

Now the hope that fidelity is compatible with wildlife has all but vanished. DNA testing is crossing one species after another off the list. Of 4,000 mammalian species, only 3 per cent are still considered candidates. Birds, bees, snails, snakes, fish, frogs . . . not even mites are monogamous. You have slide well down the food chain before Dr. Barash will put his money on a contender: Diplozoon paradoxum,a parasitic flatworm found in the gills of freshwater fish. The first time two worms mate, their bodies are fused together for life.

None of this should imply that humans are incapable of monogamy, he added. "Saying something is natural is often used to justify unacceptable behaviour. It's natural to poop on the floor, but we spend a lot of time becoming house broken."

His wife, however, said the moral transgression of infidelity cannot compare with the deception of lying about paternity. She thinks paternity fraud should be considered a crime of the highest order.

"Reproductive deception is morally similar to rape," Dr. Lipton said. "If you trick someone into raising a baby not his own, and he puts 20 years of his life into an endeavor based on a falsehood, that is appalling. "If I were the queen of the world, birth control, of any form, would be available to any woman who wants it and DNA testing would be available for all the men so that they would know who their babies are."

There are certainly those -- the "Duped Dads" among them -- who would agree with her.

Morgan Wise remembers how in 1999 the doctor rose from his chair, walked around the desk and sat down in front of him. Mr. Wise's youngest son had been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis years earlier, but a medical test showed Mr. Wise did not carry a CF gene. "My first thought was that they must have misdiagnosed my son," the 40-year-old railway engineer from Big Spring, Tex., said in an interview this week. But then the doctor looked him squarely in the eye and said: "Morgan, do you have any reason to think this boy might not be yours?"

The possibility seemed outlandish. He had been married to the same woman for 13 years and they had had three boys and a girl before they broke up in 1996. But for peace of mind, he decided to go ahead with paternity tests. In March, 1999, the results arrived by mail -- a creased piece of paper telling him that not one of the three boys was his.

"I felt anger toward [my first wife] and sadness, and I felt so sorry for my kids," Mr. Wise recalled. "I told my boys, 'I love you all, you'll always be my sons, the only difference is now I'm not your birth father.' " Despite this revelation, a district court judge ruled that Mr. Wise had to continue paying child support for the three boys. Based on a 500-year-old common law, most states operate on the presumption that a husband is the father of any child born to his wife during a marriage.

Mr. Wise took his case to the media, hoping to generate political support and contact other men in a similar situation. Instead, he angered the judge, who revoked his visitation rights to the children but left him responsible for $1,100 (U.S.) in monthly support. "This," Mr. Wise warned, "could happen to anyone."

The Wise verdict has become a flash-point for men who discover that their children are not their own. Many are actually eager to find out, ordering paternity kits over the Internet. (The American Association of Blood Banks reports that 30 per cent of men who suspect they are not biological fathers are right.)

Men have set up support groups and begun to lobby to change what they see as archaic laws. Three states have bills pending that would take paternity fraud into account and at least three others have already passed similar legislation.

The Wise case also has focused legal minds and ethicists on the definition of fatherhood, and the prevailing view appears to be that dad is the man who reads you bedtime stories, not necessarily the man who shares your DNA.

In Canada, there has been no case in point. But Prof. Dickens at U of T said a recent ruling suggests that Canadian courts would discount DNA evidence over the best interests of the child. A few years ago, he said, a man tried to win visitation rights for a child he believed he had fathered with a woman who had since married someone else.

The court ruled that the former boyfriend's biological contribution did not outweigh the risks of compromising the bond the child had forged with the mother's husband. "If you have acted in a father-like way toward a child, then you are the father," Prof. Dickens said. "Fatherhood is a social reality, not a genetic reality."

He firmly believes that people who undergo genetic tests to find out about paternity are entitled to such information. But those being tested for a genetic ailment or some other inherited trait cannot expect the same: "It's not for geneticists to spring this information upon them. The point is, when you are testing for a particular trait, it's either there or it's not there, and there is no need to say why it is or why it isn't."

Some fathers, of course, feel differently. Stacy Robb, founder and president of the support group DADS Canada, said that "it's unfair because the doctors come across this information and they don't tell the man listed as the father on the birth certificate. It's a disregarding of men's rights. The point is mothers and fathers are not treated equally."

And as the staff at Hospital for Sick Children are learning, keeping secrets can backfire. In one case, a father who tested negative for a gene that his sick child had inherited wrongly believes himself to be both a carrier of a genetic disorder and the child's natural father. Ms. Shuman said counselors have never told him otherwise, even after his marriage broke up. But recently, he contacted the hospital again to say he has a new partner and wants to come in for further testing. He assumes that any child produced in his new relationship also may be at risk.

Telling him there is no risk would reveal the truth about his first child. Going ahead with the test denies him the truth about his own DNA. Prof. Dickens suggests testing the new partner. If she turns out to be a non-carrier, there is no need of further discussion. But Ms. Shuman said that also may leave counselors with some unwanted "moral residue."

"He hasn't come back in yet," she added, "but we may have to reveal the results . . . It all gets messier than you might think. Welcome to my ethically charged world."

Carolyn Abraham is The Globe and Mail's medical reporter.

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El Greco (of the TorontoLair.ca):

How to create the 'El Greco' Kiss Necklace;

This is a tool used during a kiss gambit to change the frame to a more playful one; "I'm not going to kiss you! I'm going to GIVE you SOMETHING EVEN BETTER."

Her; "?"
"Have you ever had a 'kiss necklace'?"
Her; "??"
"well let me show you..."

Act like a mime pulling an invisible 'kiss string' or 'string of kisses' out of your mouth. Pretend to tie it in a knot and place it around her neck. (Really put on a show! practice first in a mirror if needed.) be sure to smile. "There. You look so beautiful...that's much better."

Her; "!!!"

Come back later if needed and pretend to 'adjust' the necklace.

Congratulations, you've just created an invisible anchor to wrap your energy around her!

Since it's an invention, the kiss necklace has never not worked for me. I rarely use it, and it is in good need of a comeback tour. I trust you guys will put it to good use.

Feel free to add it to your routine stack. Try it out in the field and report back to me. Enjoy.

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MINI-ANNOUNCEMENTS (includes promos of new sites, podcasts, events, products, etc.)
See the on-line version of this email at www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for more details about many of the following - once on the "Letter" page on the website, scroll down to the Promo section where you will see the Maxi-Announcements.

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- Zan Perrion has just launched his new Natural Game forum at www.naturalgame.com. A quote from Zan on the philosophy of the new forum: "It is time for change. I truly believe there is a next level of interaction between men and women that wants to be created on this earth. A Seduction Community 2.0, in a sense. We have hit the boundaries of what it is possible to explore. Like the early adventurers, crafting rickety canoes and rafts with tenuous sails, we have ventured out into the unknown sea and gone as far as these early vessels could take us. To explore further, to discover new lands, to be true treasure hunters, we need faster and better ships... This is the essence of natural game..."

- Suzy Bauer finally opened the doors to the Threesome PUA Secret Society and she has done a really sensual video tour of the "virtual lodge" of the Secret Society and you really gotta see it! As the Secret Society is open, she's running an "Early Bird" special and by simply trying the Secret Society Membership for 30 days she's giving away a truck load of expensive gifts for free! www.suzybauer.com/

- Mark J. Ryan, The Seduction King, and John Overdurf are giving away one of their greatest products, Mind Power for Life. This is an amazing process that Mark has used very successfully while teaching and coaching men to overcome fear and attain their goals with women. It's a very simple process, easy to implement, and it will change your life overnight. It's completely FREE; they're not even asking for email addresses. Go to www.MindPowerforFree.com and empower yourself now!

- Here is a great audio that is an hour and 20 minutes long about the psychology of strippers. Specifically, this audio describes how strippers are brainwashed, how brainwashing is used to get girls to dance, and how they are taught to brainwash you into giving them all your money. One of the participants in this podcast has written and amazing book about how to make $100,000 a year as a strip club DJ. You won't want to miss this interview by The Seduction King, Mark Ryan. Check out his link: www.stripclubdj101.com/?

- Payton Kane has revised his new powerhouse website and has his spectacular new Home Study Course available: www.seduceandconquer.com/

- David Wygant has a number of products available, including his Men's Audio Mastery Series (a complete 8 volume set), his book for men, Date to Win, his Girls Tell All Audio Series, one on Pickups and one on Secrets of Sex, his book Meet Someone Today, his audio product What's Your Excuse, and his original signature book Always Talk to Strangers. More info at: www.davidwygant.com/

- Miso: If you are in Toronto area or nearby for Valentine's Day, consider the intensive Valentine's Weekend bootcamp by Natural Seducers on February 14-17th. They have teamed up with a master hypnotist, speed seducer and sexual demi-God and are offering one-of-a-kind, one time only, 2-for-1 workshop for all guys who ended up single on V-day, as well as all guys looking to expand their circle of girlfriends immensely and in the shortest amount of time! Main focus is working inside-out - getting rid of your anxieties, limiting beliefs and all things negative holding you back from all the success you should be having with women in your life, and arming you with highly contagious, natural skills and confidence that will stay with you for life and will allow you to seduce women you lay your eyes on in seconds... and they're not kidding (they'll put their money where their mouth is)! Time needed to run any sort of direct game, natural game or speed seduction has been trimmed off any excess fat and will be taught to you by some of the most effective seducers around!" naturalseducers.com/

- Captain Jack has a couple of new products out, check these out:
1) The Warrior-King Society: Freedom, Money, Sex and Power Crush Previous Income Levels, Recapture Lost Sexual Vigor and Health, Rediscover Your Innate Masculine Instincts and Drive So You Can Dominate Your World and Become King of Your Own Ideal Life --Like You were Destined To... Captain Jack's Warrior King Society: www.thewarriorkingsociety.com/
2) Captain Jack's Six Week eCoaching Program for Discovering How to Sexualize Your Game, Blast Through Sticking Points and Build a Social Circle in Just 42 Days www.betheseducer.com/

- The Pickup Podcast with AJ and Jordan continues to bring you the best free audio content in the community on a weekly basis and includes interviews with all the big names from Lance Mason to Ross Jeffries and even Neil Strauss. Check it out at pickuppodcast.com

- Scot McKay has just launched the VIRTUOSITY series, featuring over two-dozen of the most respected names in men's attraction and seduction advice. With six full sections, the amount of sheer value in Scot's new program challenges any advanced series ever produced. Best of all, Scot's character-based approach is very evident throughout. VIRTUOSITY deserves serious consideration by any man who is through with trickery and quick-fixes and is ready to deserve the highest echelon of women on Earth. Full coverage of online dating that rivals stand-alone products elsewhere is one of the many plusses, and even 1-on-1 time with Scot is included. This is a groundbreaking release which is sure to raise the bar. Check it out at: deservewhatyouwant.com/virtuosity/special/ You can also get his flagship ebook product Deserve What You Want here: deservewhatyouwant.com/ebook/

- Gabrielle Moore has prepared an eye-opening video about the G-Spot orgasm. Gabrielle is the author of the now-famous book "The Female Orgasm Revealed". And now Gabrielle decided to take her intimate advice to the next level. You´ll be impressed (just as I was!) To watch the video now, go to: www.thegspotcode.com/afvideo.html

Jorj has some interesting products available including the "Attraction Magnet" (more details in the full Promo section which is below, only on the website) www.magicalmindpower.com/lovepower.htm

- DJ: STORYTELLING: After a 2 year break, DJ will be teaching his "Art of Personal Storytelling" Program in New York City March 29th and 30th. This is a unique program unlike any other and combines equal amounts of inner and outer work. Unlike so many programs that leave you simply feeling good about your experience, this program will give you a model that you can use time and time again to discover and polish your own life experiences. Email DJ at DJ_Seminar@yahoo.com for complete details and to learn more about DJ, visit his blog at www.awakeningjourneys.blogspot.com

- Johnny Soporno (www.TheWorthyPlayboyInstitute.com), a major hit at the 2006 Cliff's List Convention, is now offering bootcamps, his new book, and some extensive free downloads. For more details, check out the full promo below (if you are reading this in an email, it's on the online version of this at www.cliffslist.com).

- Carlos Xuma has just released a very unique and special new program: Power Social Skills: Social Dynamics. This CD set will give you "X-ray" vision - to see past the surface of any social interaction and instantly know what each person is doing. You'll learn how to spot the games people play and defuse them - AND you'll be able to get to deeper connection with people. Go read his special report here: www.powersocialskills.com/

- PUATraining have a video showing a 2 minute day-time KISS CLOSE. It's an unbelievable video. They have that and 25 more in the free to access PUATrainingvault (www.puatraining.com/). To help others gain that unbreakable confidence, they have recently released an instant MP3 download called Approaching Confidence. Check it out here (www.puatraining.com/confidence).

- Magnus of Bristol Lair fame has written a book on Emotional Freedom Technique, with a PUA supplement on improving your Inner Game. The free videos on his site take you through how to use the techniques to reduce your approach anxiety and feel good in the field. There's also an hour-long seminar explaining how the technique works.
www.innergametapping.com/

- Magnus: My buddy Sheriff is running a 30 day challenge for guys, with a $1,000 top prize. All you've got to do is keep an online journal, and go out every night. Free to enter, and should super-charge your game. www.growyourgame.com/

- Would you know if she was FAKING IT? Learn to blow her mind every time and set yourself apart from any other guy she has ever been with before. Subscribe to Alex Allman's FREE Newsletter and get hundreds of FREE tips and techniques that will have her bragging to her friends about your skills. www.revolutionarysex.com/

- The Joseph W. South Show! Relationship Mastery. Joseph's Rant on Love, Sex, Relationships... and the Business of Life! josephwentsouth.com

- For a limited time, save $28 on Magic Bullets By Savoy at this review page: www.squidoo.com/magicbulletsbook. Go Here To Download The Seduction Community Toolbar by Diabolik - www.diabolikseduction.com/the-seduction-community-toolbar-by-diabolik/

- Prof's Seduction Blog is all about Attraction and Pick Up, The life and learnings of a pick up artist. Seduction, dating, and the art of attraction. Meet women of exceptional beauty. www.seduction-blog.com

- Marius Panzarella: This link goes to a special page with the download link for a free ebook and also a discount offer that is only available to readers of Cliff's List. www.datebeautifulwomen.com/ezine.html

- Savoy: www.lovesystems.com/blogs has my blog, Sinn’s blog, Captain Jack’s blog, Tenmagnet’s blog, etc…a lot of talent. And www.lovesystems.com/publications has a free publications library.

- Steve Taylor, a.k.a. Lifeguard, teaches guys how to become a cool, confident, fun and sexy guy that women love. You can sign up for a live workshop or Distance Coaching at www.confidentimage.com or visit his blog: datingskillsforrealmen.blogspot.com

- Any girl deserves a chance to be presented with a choice... and we sometimes need to forgive and forget the people who made us create negative assumptions about the new women we meet... www.NoNonSenseLife.com - It's written in both English and Spanish

- How to attract women Naturally! Check out Cameron Teone’s Building Attraction Secrets. What makes this book any different or unique to other books? The fact that it makes a perfect symbiosis between inner game and outer game on the one hand, and the theoretical and practical on the other hand as well as implementing the very important concepts of lifestyle and masculinity in a very practical manner that will change your life forever. Check it out at www.attractwomenanywhere.com/ebook.html

- ACE is a specialist in the art of charisma and teaches workshops. Email acepua@gmail.com to arrange a place.

- Jake Rockford: How to separate the men from the boys: Finally there is an "all-in-one" toolbox for ultimate success for today's Urban Renaissance Man. Whether you want natural And simple ways To meet, attract, and date The women Who Are Right For YOU, learn how to get a kick-butt, no-nonsense workout in as little as four minutes while saying 'Goodbye' to health club fees, or master ancient and powerful tantric secrets of multiple orgasm for both you AND her, "The Dangerous Book" has it all! All this plus a goldmine of games, puzzles, bar bets, and impromptu magic tricks for fun and fascination anywhere, anytime and time-tested tools to build focus, intention, and creativity... The Dangerous Book is here to help you be your absolute best! www.thedangerousbook.net/Check_it_out.html

- Lucas J. West : You can sign up for my email list at www.LucasWest.com. The second or third email you'll get gives you a direct link to everything I've put out over the past year. I recommend reading the Rapport Report and the Path of Least Resistance as your major starting points (they're both free). As for Demonic Confidence, that's at www.DemonicConfidence.com. Guys can contact Lucas if they already have decided they want a Skype hypnosis session with a reputable professional by sending him an email at lucas@lucaswest.com.

- New product release: "The Naturally Magnetic Male Conditioning System." Are you interested in developing a high level of charisma and personal magnetism that will help you in EVERY area of your life? The 15 clear cut steps use progressive conditioning, the best charisma techniques and traits of naturals to bring out the magnetic male already living within you. puahelpdesk.com/

- Lisa Lloyd offers "The Only Real Lesbian Seduction Guide For Men" which she claims will give you a head start on other men when dating. The guide reveals dating methods from a lesbian perspective, as "a fascinating insight into a woman's mind/body and she answers questions such as "Why can't women say no to other women?" www.lesbian-seduction-guide.com/

- Attract and Date has released the new Home Study Course: 10 students filmed on a Workshop where everyone had, at least, a date from the street. Great quality of picture and sound! Everyone is wired with audio and action is totally realistic. You get to see their shining successes and big failures also. See and HEAR for the first time students like a 40 year old scientist that never approached on the street with Sharks "I like you" and getting fantastic results! Go to www.AttractAndDate.com to see 50 screen shots from the DVD Course. Get inspired!

- Frank B Kermit (www.lulu.com/content/1585762): Brother Kermit has just published I'm A Man, That's My Job: The Philosophy of a Seducer, A Complete Inner Game Workbook. Here is the link: www.lulu.com/content/875062 You can buy it for $49.95 US. It has all the lists, plus more. The rules of relationships The base life philosophies AND A description of the 10 stages of development from Loser to Seducer to Natural. This book also has charts to track your development. Are you curious as to what goes on at lair meetings? Well, we can not tell you the details, but I can share this with you: We do Emotional Needs Analysis as a group. What is an ENA (Emotional Needs Analysis)? You are given a situation, based on a real experience, and then do an analysis of that situation applying Frank B Kermit's 10 emotional needs of women theories. It was developed as part of the Bring Up the Skill Levels of All Newbies Program. If you were banned from a lair, or if you want to learn seduction, but do not want to be identified by other students of the art, you can still get the lair experience. Just check out this 120+ preview: www.lulu.com/browse/preview.php?fCID=1585762 Go through it. Check it out. See if you got the understanding of men-women dynamics to figure out the answer. I hope you learn something.

- Art, the well know day game master, has been with Pickup community since 2002 and has just started Pick Up Future, a site that will hold predictions about the future of the pickup community, and which direction community is heading. Did you know that Pickup is becoming an industry? Did you know that Style Life training was ahead of Mystery Method in visitors? Do you know what will happen in 2008 for pickup community? If you would like to know answers to this and many more other question, and see what future holds for pick up artists, then go to www.PickUpFuture.com. He also has just launched his new site, centered around educating men on seduction in 1on1 carefully individualized coaching packages. Available only in NYC: www.NewYorkDatingCoach.com

- Most dating "gurus" talk about inner game, but fall far short in actually providing you with practical solutions for solving your inner game issues. With his Hypnotica's program, "Ultimate Inner Game", you can transform your mind and emotions in just days! www.ultimateinnergame.com/

- DiClassified DRILLS! Vin DiCarlo of DiCarlo DiClassified has released his new drill-based training, which boasts a total of 36+ real time drills specifically designed for pick-up training. Drills based-training develops your game in a way that is systematic, effective, personalized, natural and best of all, fun! The curriculum can be found at www.vindicarlo.com/drills

- Thundercat's Art of Approaching is available here: www.artofapproaching.com/

- Want to master your sex life? Male escort and liv e s ex performer NathanX leads a team of male and female s ex instructors in their intensive and popular workshop “Sexual Mastery for Men”. They teach what 99.9% of guys do not know and will never know. Where PUA skills end, sexual mastery skills begin. PUA skills enable you to get the girl. Sexual and relationship management enables you to keep her in the sort of relationships you want. Workshops also include a live demonstration of techniques! What they teach at MYSL is the real deal. No one else in the world is teaching what they teach. Free videos, audios and blog. www.masteryoursexlife.com/products/volume1/

- Doc, a featured speaker at both the 2005 & 2006 Cliff's List Conventions, is holding seminars. For more info go to his new site at www.TrueLifeSkills.com.

- Cardinal just wanted to let you know that he's going to release The Cardinal Flight Plan (CFP) Ebook soon. He's so confident that this book is going to be a hit, he's going to offer the first 25 people a free copy! Yup, the first 25 people to visit Seductiontech.com will get a free copy. He will send out a mass email once he officially releases the CFP... Go to Seductiontech.com and sign-up for his newsletter, and be sure to watch your email.

- In the Toronto area Christiano has been teaching men to work from their inner game to outer game in a way that is congruent to their identity. Most see results after being taught the skills in the workshop immediately. Find out more by visiting: bestnaturalgame.com.

- Ron Louis & David Copeland have put out a new ebook "How to be the Bad Boy Women Love." Find out more at howtosucceedwithwomen.com/htg/

- New Book/Audio release: "Park Bench Dating." Are you currently meeting women in the day time? Do you know how easy it is to get a quality number in a few minutes, just as you go through your day? Written by Art, an NYC dating coach, who came from PUA community and turned pure natural. Covered by The New York Times and ABC Television, his methods of meeting in the day time are so effective simply because they are so easy to use everyday. www.ParkBenchDating.com

- Uncle Ruckus has started a new YouTube show called "The Nice Guy Show" and he'd like for you to watch. You can also visit his home page at www.adviceonwomen.com. He plugs Cliff's List on a recent one, too!

- Society "Of Cool" - Description of Group: Simple: This place is for all of you dudes and chicks who are rad cool and want to step their game up in life with wealth building(money) and relationship building (women/men). Living a healthy lifestyle is considered "cool" as well.. This place is ONLY FOR COOL PEOPLE. If you are a beta male, chump, nerd, loser, you are getting your a$$ banned! Visit this Link: www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=1

- Gigi has just launched a new website: www.puaratings.com PUA Ratings evolves around a rating system for PUA products, where you can rate and write your own reviews about your favorite (and not so favorite) seduction products or bootcamps, and read what others have to say about them, before you make a purchase. The site also features a 'PUA Comparison Engine', a tool that will become more and more viable as more reviews enter the system. There's also a forum and a live chat where live events will be hosted. So make your opinion count - sharpen your keyboards and start writing reviews!

- Rion Williams has announced and released his pioneering 'Secret to Women' video, downloadable eBook and podcast. Something as ambitious as that just has to be seen for yourself. www.secretofwomen.com/resources.htm. Rion has also released the community/content site 'AboveTheGame.NET.' Its got articles, blogs, user profiles, an active forum, chat and more. You can even create your own blog and submit your own dating/seduction content or questions. The community is focused on how to be a 'natural' ladies man. www.abovethegame.net

- Herbal, one of the characters made famous by The Game, has finally released an ebook after taking some time away from the community. He also offers a free 10 Day E-Mail Bootcamp." For more information, visit www.makeherchaseyou.com/

- Cardinal (www.Seductiontech.com): Puanetwork.com Web 2.0 Live! I just wanted to let you know that the New Web2.0 Version of the Puanetwork is up and live. Since the show aired, the puanetwork has really picked up! Ignore my PUN =) Come join the fastest growing social networking site for the community!

- How to be an all-around cooler person - completely free, practical advice for guys on social skills, getting along with people, and getting your act together - all written by a recovered loser. Not everyone will need to read the material here, but take a look if you think you could benefit from improving your people skills before diving into the seduction game. Feel free to check it out at www.howtobecooler.com

- LayGuide was the original inspiration for Neil Strauss to write "The Game" and is still the most thorough and continually updated collection of the best dating, attraction and seduction tips in the world: www.layguide.com/

- In The Game by Neil Strauss, "TwoTimer" is talked about as one of the top players. His more commonly known handle is IN10SE, and his "Octoberman Sequence" has been whispered about and become a LEGEND in the on-line Pickup artist community. It's rumored to give a woman ULTIMATE pleasure and you ULTIMATE control - in as little as 15 minutes! Only the BEST of the BEST know it. Check it out here: www.octoberman.com/

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PROMOS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & REVIEWS SECTION
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LAIR SECTION

Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women.

More Lair Listings can be found at dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at www.bristollair.com, as well as at www.seductionlair.com:

A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/

LAIR GROUP
If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com
Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers. Join this group (lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (www.lairlist.com/).

HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Lair meetings are scheduled currently once a month on Sundays. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. The Lair now has a magnificent new online discussion forum that was put together by Loveur.

The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.

Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):

MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.

NEW FRENCH MONTREAL LAIR FORMED
Good news! Montreal has now a FRENCH Lair! Oui! Ever wanted to be part of a lair without having to learn another language?
- A lair which would offer you support
- A lair which would allow you to find new wingman
- A lair where you would be able to learn
- A lair where you would be able to share
- A lair which would offer occasions to sarge
- A lair where you would be able to conquer your fear
- A lair which would allow you to become a better PUA 100 times faster
And all that in FRENCH! Now is your chance! We've just opened our forum located at www.seduire.ca , registration are free. You can also apply to become a Montreal VIP which will offer you the possibility to be part of the best French PUA Team in Montreal. We also have a section dedicated to people of Quebec City cause we love you :) Note that the sooner you become part of our family, the sooner you'll be the person you want to become.
Many of our members are experts in specifics techniques such as Mystery Method, Juggler Method, direct/indirect techniques and know about their stuff. They are the people you want to hang with. As David DeAngelo too often said: "You want to befriend those people who've got the talent you want to have so you can learn with them and from them." The forum is located at www.seduire.ca. We hope to see you there soon!

NEW LAIR IN TORONTO
Frank B Kermit's Toronto Seduction Lair
No Minors! No Hazing Rituals! No Membership Fees! No Referral Link 'Click Fees'! No Forced Paid Workshops to gain access! No Organized Pirating of Copyright Materials! No illegal activates nor criminal associations whatsoever! Fully MODERATED to encourage a 100% RESPECTFUL learning environment!
An Advanced Section for Gurus and Top Guys who have mastered basic game! Separate sections for Commercial announcements and seduction Discussions!
Seduction Gurus are WELCOMED directly into the Advanced Section! An Active Free Newbie System designed to bring up skill levels FASTER!
Men's Only Group (confidentiality and privacy assured)! A Seduction FOCUSED group, no distractions! www.torontolair.ca/

THE TORONTO LAIR
The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.

MORE TORONTO
There are at least two other PUA groups in Toronto:
www.torontophoenixsociety.com
and
www.torontolair.org

VANCOUVER SOCIAL BOARD
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)

NEW SOUTH AFRICAN SEDUCTION LAIR:
The South African Seduction Lair unites guys from all the major cities in Johannesburg, Cape Town, Port Elizabeth and Durban. We have a excellent cultural mix and therefore the women are very diverse and different strategies sometimes need to be applied to achieve results. We have very experienced members in Speed Seduction, NLP, Direct Approach, Cocky & Funny, etc. We will introduce you to a key wingman in your city. And on our Google Group you can download free resources from all over the Internet. Contact ramon@ramonthomas.com for more info. Join here: groups.google.com/group/sa-seduction-lair

NEW BRIGHTON LAIR
Darklight wrote to announce the new Lair which has just been set up in sunny Brighton on the south coast of England. They are a small group of PUAs hitting up the bars, clubs, street and beaches of Brighton. People are welcome to join, all styles and skill levels -- so long as they are active in field. Contact them at uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/brightonpickup/ or at brightonpickup@googlemail.com

IRISH LAIR
The Irish Lair has 211 members and was started December, 2005. Its Lair Leader is Stealth and their website is: www.irishseduction.com/forum or you can contact: stealth.waves@gmail.com or xrockridgex@gmail.com

New Lair in Grenoble
www.verselejus.com/pua/index.php?topic=1247.0

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE:
I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporadically for sarging and for scheduled meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com.

AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com
Also, a new board has been started named AUSTRIAN SEDUCTON COMMUNITY (ASC) and the Lair URL for that is www.austrianseduction.com. Ben and Rey can be reached at info@6system.info. Described as the next generation of PU-Communities! ASC supports you with: - public/private photo albums; Event calender & Lair meeting System; PU-Lexicon; Video Blog; personal Notes System; & the best German-speaking PUAs including 2 females!

NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.

SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire! Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks, Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com

NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/

NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.

EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here: http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/

ISRAEL LAIR
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to www.tironut69.com

DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in pursuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com

TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com Also, go to www.toplair.com/ for more information about PUA Lair activity in Tampa.

NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at: Julien72@bluewin.ch

NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago

NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
Edmonton Men's Social Improvement Club, a Registered Non-Profit Organization can be reached at: www.socialimprovementclub.org or by email: applicants@socialimprovementclub.org

SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.

PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com

BELGIUM: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: www.DutchSeduction.com

NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info: groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.

NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.

DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: wingman.meetup.com/6/ or www.DallasSeductionLair.com

DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum (www.dallaspua.com/forum), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to www.DallasPua.com

HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"

NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rock stars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night, 10PM in Norwich City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.

VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/

NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.

SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.

THIRD NEW YORK CITY LAIR STARTED:
NYC Wingman. Here is the Link : wingman.meetup.com/31/?gj=sj2

BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's constantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com

SCOTLAND LAIR
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.

BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.

ARIZONA LAIR
Arizona Pick-Up Artist: This lair was started in July 2004 by Cramias and J-Dog. We init