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THIS IS CLIFF'S PRIVATE LIST, A F*R*E*E* E-MAIL RELATING TO SEDUCTION
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CLIFF'S LIST UPDATES:
The "Cliff's List Project" continues. Work is progressing on both sites and we expect to be able to offer the 2006 DVDs for sale relatively soon. The project has grown dramatically and the ideas just keep coming. Expect to see Cliff’s List developments that will surprise and excite you!
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EVENT ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Clifford: NEW DOUBLE YOUR DATING SEMINAR!! This event is already sold out! I will be attending, as will a number of very special guests including Steve P, Hypnotica, Rion Williams, Doc, and a number of other masters of teaching guys to be more successful with women. This will be David DeAngelo's only live training in 3 years. The dates for the event are April 7th to 11th, 5 days, and if you go to the site mentioned, you can try and get on the waiting list. http://www.mantransformationprogram.com/CD395
DJ: STORYTELLING: After a 2 year break to focus exclusively on creating content for the Stylelife Academy (http://www.stylelife.com), Cliff's List 2005 and 2006 featured speaker and former Mystery Method Instructor, DJ will be teaching his "Art of Personal Storytelling" Program in New York City March 29th and 30th. This unique “from the inside-out” program shows you how to use experiences from your own life to convey volumes about you to others and combines equal amounts of inner and outer work. You will leave with not only highly polished personal stories but a model that you can use time and time again to discover and polish your own life experiences. Featured guest speakers include Dr. Richard Sears, a clinical psychologist whose special presentation will lay the foundation for the weekend as well as Stephen Nash (PlayboyLA from “The Game.”) This program is strictly limited to 30 people to insure personal attention. For complete details please visit http://www.thesocialman.com/storytelling and for more information about DJ, please visit his blog at http://www.awakeningjourneys.blogspot.com
Johnny Wolf: Event: 2008 Global Pick Up Artists Summit
Date: May 24, 2008 @ 10:00 AM
Confirmed Speakers Include: AFC ADAM LYONS (London Seduction Society, UK’s Rules of the Game); DAVID WYGANT (Inspiration for the movie “Hitch”);
SAVOY (Love Systems, Mystery Method Corp.); ASIAN PLAYBOY (ABC of Attraction); BRADE AND JOEY (All the way from Australia); VINCE KELVIN (Hypno Sex Magic);
JOHNNY WOLF ( http://www.thesocialsecrets.com); & MeHow (Get the Girl, Mehow.tv)
Invited Speakers include: Brad P. (Underground Dating Seminar); Neil Strauss (Style); Mystery (Featured in “The Game”); Tyler Durden (Real Social Dynamics);
Badboy (Direct Game); Love Drop (Venusian Arts); & Matador (VH1’s Pick Up Artist)
For more information or to sign up, go to: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/96048283/
Dimitri The Lover: SPECIAL “TORONTO REAL MEN” MEETING ON MARCH 12, 2008
Women in certain parts of THE 905 AREA CODE which surrounds Toronto are much more receptive and therefore much easier to seduce. The theme of our next TORONTO REAL MEN meeting is “905 KEEPS YOUR COCK ALIVE”. It will feature Dimitri The Lover lecturing for 3 solid hours on how to seduce hot sluts in THE 905 AREA CODE. TORONTO REAL MEN meetings are held the 2nd Wednesday of each month, from 7-10 PM, at Rancho Relaxo, 300 College St, 2nd Floor. To register for this special seduction lair meeting, IMMEDIATELY go to http://www.TorontoRealMen.com. Dimitri The Lover is dedicated to teaching horny men how to find and seduce hot desperate sluts, and will answer all questions about dating, sex, & love. Cost per meeting is $29+GST paid on-line 24h in advance OR $40 Dimitrified cash at the door. More details available in the Promo section that follows the Lair listings at http://www.cliffslist.com.
Grant Adams: David Deida LIVE.
You've read his books, The Way of The Superior Man and Intimate Communion. You've heard David D, Grant Adams, AMP, Lance and every teacher seriously interested in deeply-rooted masculine core strength recommend his work. He blew away the Toronto Lair and came away praising the PUA
community for being SERIOUS about genuine change, whereas, as he said, most other people just yammer about transformation but do nothing and keep failing. Now, David Deida is leading two Weekend Intensives: 150 men and women together, face to face. Interactive, no b.s., balls-to-the-wall breakthrough workshops. One in San Francisco in April, one in Seattle in May. These workshops WILL sell out, as they always do. To learn more and get on the priority list, go to http://www.deidaevents.com/
Frank B. Kermit (aka Brother Kermit):
Frank is holding Frank's First Official Seminar, THE INNER GAME SEMINAR which will be held in Toronto Friday March 28th through Sunday March 30th, and will feature over 30 hours of time with Frank B Kermit, Johnny Soporno, Michael The Dating Wizard, Christiano Jr, and Robert El Greco. Seats are limited to 60 people. For more information: please contact frank@franktalks.com
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pzn_player:
She wants a threesome
So this neighbor in my building I slept with a while ago ...it was pretty much a ONS, but I don't do ONS so I persisted until finally last night, I got her to my place, fucked her for a few hours so that she gets nice and emotional, and then gamed the shit out of her...it was the Romeo part of me, not the badboy...she told me at the end of the night....I'm so sorry I didn't respond to your messages, I'm so glad you persisted, I'm so glad that you came into my life...etc., etc....girls falling in love with me...is something that happens on a daily basis but that I don't particularly enjoy...unless they are not needy.
She isn't, she is such an open-minded girl, not insecure, and extremely comfortable with her sexuality. So after we had sex we spent a few hours talking about each other...our lives and the difficult times we go through. She told me how she's always low energy (even though it doesn't seem like it during sex)...and that she drinks a lot of Red Bull and shit.
Having read a few books on sleep, energy, food, etc....I taught her a few things. She was still stressed (one of those girls who keeps looking at the clock)....so I decided to introduce her to meditation...God...what happened next was incredible...after meditating with her hand on my chest and mine on hers, and breathing at the same rhythm...I told her to open her eyes....and right away I felt the little girl in her, the sensitive princess. She kissed me and thanked me for offering her this experience.
Me: You know, I don't want anything from you, I don't even care what role you play in my life. Society puts people into categories...gf, fuck friends, open relationships, etc. I think all that is bullshit, you're in no category for me, you're my Mary. And all I care about is, I want you to be a more fulfilled person when I leave you off than when I picked you up.
She pretty much melted.
She later told me how she was planning to go and live in Thailand for 3-6 months in order to get away from all the city noise and routine. She told on a few occasions how she'd really want me to come and see her. I described to her all the things I'd share with her.
But it's so nice the feeling I have....for the first time in my life I feel I want to give all the love inside me but I want absolutely no love from her to be happy. All I have is gift-love. I no longer feel like a boy feels for his mommy. I am complete within my own self...but I want to add to someone's life! It's the first time I feel like love is not a needy thing =)
Anyway...a bit later, I brought up the threesome subject to which she was receptive (because I'm very comfortable talking about it and I know most girls are down for threesomes, if presented properly). She's a waitress at a Strip Club and she told me that she knows this girl (one of the strippers who works there) who offered to have a threesome with her and her man (if ever she has one).
I qualified the other girl through her, asking her if she's mature, if she's open minded, if she's comfortable with her sexuality. She told me yes, and she has a great personality. She also said that if I wanted, I can find a volunteer girl I myself like and present her to her to see what she thinks....and I find that's ok...if we're going to share this together we both gotta want the other girl.
In any case, I'm just posting this to see how you guys think things should be framed from here. Cliff suggested:
-act like it's something very normal (which I feel it really is, I've already had quite a few experiences out of the ordinary)
-don't be too much of a player about it.
Anything to add guys?
P.s Oh and she also mentioned at some point << i don't think I'd have a threesome with a girl hotter than me>> She's not the jealous type though and she's seen me go into my apartment countless times with other women.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to this, because she's the bomb in bed. I'll keep u guys posted. But I want some advice ... I mean I'm sure it's going to happen...but since I'm a bit impatient...I don't want to appear needy of a threesome LOL
Haha, we used to be needy towards women, now we're needy towards threesomes.
You know this isn't the first girl to bring up threesomes with me...I normally don't push for them though...it's more important for me to have multiple women with whom I have multiple connections than just having threesomes.
The thing is man, I just speak my mind, straight up. I'm very overtly sexual. And extremely non-judgmental...women notice that through the things I say...for example...I tell a joke...if her ASD pops-up:
Me: Hey wanna hear a funny ass joke? Once upon a time, in the old old days, there was a village and in that village they used to sacrifice virgins (they really did do that in the past). So one visitor went over to an elder in the village who was known to be the wise leader and asked...why do you sacrifice virgins? The elder looked at him somewhat perplexed and said...well we don't want to get rid of the sluts...
And she goes hahaha. What she doesn't know is what that conveys. I don't judge women for their sexuality, I respect them. I always tell girls I respect sluts more than virgins because a slut is no less than a girl who makes no apologies for her desire to fuck. For the natural gift she possesses.
In my heart, threesomes really ARE normal and bound to happen. Are they for you?
When women know you're into this, love it and respect them regardless of what they do sexually, they openly talk about these things themselves.
The girl I laid in Toronto calls me last night, after I laid the neighbor and she's like talking about all sorts of stuff (she had invited me to Kingston to be with her and her girlfriends...but I had too much shit to do here)...and suddenly she's like....I want to go make out with my girl...it's her bday...I'm like "you're so cute, that's sweet of you". Then she starts sending me pics of her grabbing other girls' tits telling me how funny it was.
The point being....I don't DO NO FUCKING ROUTINES...I'm just so comfortable with my sexuality that she is too. Women have strong senses, they know who they can trust and who not, they know who will judge and who will be too weak to hear the honesty.
The truth is women just want to have fun. Whether it's making out with us, with their girlfriends, getting drunk, playing hide and seek, eating out....they just want to have fun...ideally in a world where some idiots won't judge them.
It's funny because last night...I told my neighbor, while grabbing the back of her neck...you know one of these days...I'm going to take you and fuck you in the hallway so hard we'll break some walls and the cops will be cuffing me while I'm still inside of you....
she laughs...and she's like...I want you to fuck me in the park. I'm like, what you want me to freeze my fucking balls off? Fuck you!
Anyway...once again...the point being...there's really no limit of what you can say to a girl...if you're comfortable with it in YOUR reality.
A last example,
Me: Why the fuck didn't you answer when I knocked on your door? (said in a pretending-to-be-mad way)
Her: I didn't hear it, I swear!
Me: What, you think I'm stupid you fucking liar? You little slut (and I spank her)
Her: Ok ok slut yes, but not a liar
Me: Hahaha (I spank even harder...she loves getting spanked...I spank so hard it's my hand that hurts...is it supposed to be this way? LOL)
This whole community makes me realize. Don't go into some "good" girl's reality and try to transform her into some slut who fits your reality....some people are happy with the way things are...there's no point in making them suffer or unhappy (what I did with my ex...I tried changing all her values around to turn her into a bisexual...and some girls simply won't do it).
Pick them properly...I always tell the guys and they laugh at me...I like emotionally fucked up women...with major issues...because I feel I can help them get out of their issues...and that makes me feel so good inside...knowing I changed someone's life...
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Jeff Y:
I have a tip and some questions. First the tip. If a girl ever starts acting bratty do a scarface. In the movie there's a scene where Tony pisses his friend off and his friend storms off. Scarface yells at him sarcastically to come back and give him a kiss. I've found this to be a great way to handle girls (or even guys) who start acting bratty or get pissed off at you for not much of a reason. Just say to her "come over here! Give me a kiss!" Again this works for guys or girls who are just friends.
Ok first question is about guys hooking up with girls quickly. When I was a 18 (back when I had NO game) I had this friend who was half black, had no money or car and was able to get hot white girls to be his girlfriend within hours of meeting them. He started hanging out with me so I would drive him to this one girl's house. When her parents made her break up with him, I remember he had this even hotter girlfriend within a couple of days. He had met her and that same day she was his girlfriend. Now this girl looked to be a white trash type but she was really hot white trash.
Then when I was in the Navy and still had little game I was talking to this 17 year old Hispanic girl for a while who was just stringing me along. One day I drove around looking for her and saw her sitting on a guy's lap at the park. I tried calling her and the guy called me and said he was her boyfriend and that he just got out of jail a couple days ago and he made her his girlfriend that day which is when they met. I don't think this guy had a car either and this girl was really hot. Does anybody know how this happens? How can a guy pick a girl up off the street and convince her to be his girlfriend in the same day? Even after all the stuff I've read I have absolutely no clue on how you would do this.
Also I was just watching CBS Mysteries and they talked about this married guy who cheated on his wife who was killed. A lot of women said he propositioned them for sex and asked them to hook up for sex. It was obvious that he was successful with many of them. Again I have no clue as to how to do this. The same with getting friends with benefits. How do you ask a girl to hook up for sex or how do you ask a girl who's a friend to be a fuck buddy?
Recently I had an experience where I tried and failed miserably. There's this little high school girl at my job (who's 18 but just barely). Anyway every time she passes my desk she touches me and one day we were all eating cake she said she wanted me to get the icing off of her teeth. I figured this girl was giving a light of good signs but whenever I tried suggesting we go hang out she acted aloof. Then a few weeks ago she tells me she's breaking up with her borefriend. I ask her to go to the movies with me that day but she avoids the question. Then about a week later when Richard Donner's Superman 2 comes out I buy it and call her up and ask her if she'd like to come over and watch it with me and she screams at me in horror that she's not gonna do that. WTF!? She did say she had a new borefriend but I know she wouldn't be the first girl to cheat on her borefriend.
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Alex Allman (http://www.revolutionarysex.com/):
"How To Go For Anal Sex"
****QUESTION FROM A READER****
Hiya Alex,
Just a quick question but how do you make a girl feel confident enough to let you perform anal sex with her? And is there any particular way to do it, and can you do it wrong? This is something I have never tried so you could say that I'm as nervous as she is. I haven't been with that many girls, and even though 1 or 2 of them may have been gagging for me to slip it up trap 2, I just didn't have the confidence to ask them. For all I know it may have given them the wrong impression of me, or something worse I dunno. Any information you can give me on this rather delicate subject will be greatly appreciated.
-P
>>>> MY COMMENTS:
I've got some great information to share that relates directly to your question-- but before I get into it, I want to make two very important comments...
Personally I have played the field A LOT between relationships, and I've probably been with far too many women for my own emotional well being. In any case, I've been with enough women to know this: Relationships are better.
Right now I am in a relationship with a woman who is everything that I could ever dream of, and I very sincerely intend to do everything I can to make it last forever.
Intimacy beats novelty any day of the week, my friend. I'm not saying novelty isn't fun...
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being single or playing the field... it's an important step in your development. But I like to hope that every guy gets past that, matures emotionally, and, if he's lucky, meets the kind of woman that makes it worth investing the effort to stay monogamous.
When I give out my advice in these Newsletters for FREE...somewhere in the back of my head I'm always hoping that the guys who are really "getting" what I'm talking about and actually USING the information are in serious relationships and using my advice to increase the love and passion with their one special girl.
That's what "good karma" would be for me.
So now let's roll up our sleeves and see if I can answer your question.
I've actually gotten this question before, but I decided to answer YOUR email in particular because I really liked the way you said:
"How do you make a girl feel confident enough to let you perform anal sex with her?"
The way you phrased the question shows that you really have been paying attention to my Newsletters and that you really UNDERSTAND female sexuality in a deep way. Your girlfriend is very lucky... and I'll BET that she KNOWS it, and brags about you to her friends.
Because MOST guys wouldn't get that it is not an issue of how to "talk her into it"... and it's not an issue of "making her want it"... and it's not an issue of "getting her permission"...
It IS an issue of making her comfortable and CONFIDENT enough about herself, and about the TRUST she has in you and your sexual comfort with each other that is really the key here.
Let me start with a few very important basics:
1. BE CAREFUL The walls of the anus are much more delicate than the vagina. That means they can rip (gasp!) if you are too forceful, or if you don't use enough lube. Start gently, and be aware of her comfort level before you start going faster or harder. If she says it hurts-- stop, slow down, use more lube, don't go as deep until she is ready.
2. USE A CONDOM I know that a lot of guys have seen all kinds of things in pornography... PLEASE remember that porn is not a good example of what YOU should do or what is right. There are legions of potentially harmful bacteria up there. There is a reason that the body is getting rid of that crap! And you can get all kinds of disgusting, potentially dangerous...even potentially deadly diseases from anal sex. Often there is some bleeding, and that opens the door to a bunch of other potential diseases.
Use a condom. And use a water-soluble lube (the kind that says it's okay for use with condoms right on the package, like Astroglide or K-Y) to help ensure that the condom doesn't break.
3. DON'T PUT YOUR COCK ANYWHERE ELSE AFTERWARDS Again, forget what you might have seen in some super exploitive porn flick on the Internet...this is a real girl that we're talking about, and her safety is YOUR responsibility. Do not take your cock out of her ass and put it into her vagina or mouth or anywhere else.
EVEN IF SHE ASKS YOU TO.
Clear?
Remove the condom and wash the area first. Then do whatever else you like.
4. RESPECT HER WISHES In this Newsletter I'm going to tell you exactly how to talk about anal sex and exactly how to get MOST women to agree to trying it out. The fact is, there are plenty of women who LOVE anal sex and just can't get enough of it. But there are also some women who are just never going to agree to it. Usually this means that they have some issue that has nothing to do with you, and often nothing to do with sex at all that prevents them from going there.
If that's the case with the girl you're with, then don't continue to push her for it all the time or eventually you will damage the relationship.
Most of the time, a woman will come around when she feels comfortable enough. Most women are very eager to please their man, and many are curious themselves about the experience. So most of the time, if you follow the guidelines below you'll have no problems.
Okay, that's the basics. Now let's talk about how you actually get her to go for it.
Just as you said in your email: the key is getting HER confident enough to do it. So first let's ask ourselves, 'why would SHE need confidence to let me have anal sex with her?'
For starters, she may be afraid that it's going to hurt.
And she may be afraid that you will go too hard (she's probably afraid you will be just as aggressive as you are when you are really pounding her vaginally). And she may be afraid that once you start, if you are really excited, it may be difficult to get you to stop if she doesn't like it.
There's a lot of content in the above paragraph, and you just might want to read it again.
Here's a VERY IMPORTANT thing to remember about all sex you will ever have with a woman:
It is very different for her than it is for you... Because while you are naturally sexually attracted to soft, delicate, feminine women...SHE is naturally sexually attracted to someone who is MUCH stronger, and almost certainly bigger and more aggressive than she is.
Sex really IS dangerous for women. And men, at any time, might use their superior strength to make her do things she doesn't want to do.
And that, my friend, can be very scary for her. Of course, you are in a relationship, and she trusts you... but still, once you are really "into it" is she positive that she can get you to stop? Well, she might be, if, based on your sexual history with each other you've demonstrated time and again that you can be sexually TRUSTED.
This may sound crazy, but if she's "not in the mood" some night and you are kind of pushy, and then sort of angry with her afterwards if you don't get your way... guess what?
You have one strike against you in the game of getting into her ass.
Not a big deal... but things like that add up in the game of sexual trust.
So one thing you might want to do if you are talking to your woman about anal sex for the first time:
Reassure her BEFORE SHE BRINGS IT UP, that you will be very gentle, and that you will stop instantly if she asks you to.
By saying it BEFORE she brings it up you will get huge bonus points for understanding her feelings...
But also, she will not feel like "oh, he only said that because he'd say ANYTHING to get me to do it."
Reassure her that she, as a person, is much more important to you than anal sex.
Most of this reassurance will probably have to happen in your daily interactions with her, but it can't hurt to mention it when actually discussing anal sex.
Now obviously none of this is going to be a huge issue if she's done it before and enjoyed it.
But what else might she need "confidence" for when it comes to anal sex?
If you said, "embarrassment" or "the smell" you win the prize for figuring out the obvious.
Most normal women like being pretty, soft, and sweet smelling.
There is a world of ads and commercials, movies and romantic books all telling them that this is what being a woman is all about.
She has probably, from time to time, noticed that her ass is not always as sweet smelling as the rest of her body.
She might be afraid that when you pull your penis out of her, that something might be on the condom that will humiliate her to tears.
This is the biggest hurdle for most women when it comes to back door sex, and it's a hard one to get over.
So, how do you do it? Well, there are two issues here that must be dealt with-- the first is to reassure her that her ass turns you on, that it does not gross you out in any way. The second is to ENSURE that she knows and trusts that, no matter what, you are not going to humiliate her.
To deal with the first issue is fairly easy...
When you are having regular sex from behind, you should say to her how much her ass turns you on. You should even say, specifically, that her anus or ass-HOLE is the most perfect you've ever seen.
Yes, it will be weird to say.
Yes, it will be a little weird for her to hear. She may even laugh for a minute.
Then tell her how much it turns you on and let her feel your passion in your love making. Give her positive positive EMOTIONS and FEELINGS to go along with the words.
By the second time you do this, she will have a strong connection in her mind-- "my anus actually DOES turn him on."
She might even feel a bit of satisfaction or pride about it.
Next time try gently stroking it with your thumb and making an appreciative noise or telling her exactly how much it turns you on.
The good news here is that it is almost certain to really turn HER on too. It will feel VERY exciting to her.
And now her brain will have both emotional and physical connections between her ass and her erotic desires.
If she is really enjoying this stage, go ahead and try inserting a finger during sex. She might LOVE it. Either way, make sure she knows that it really turns YOU on.
Okay... now let's look at the second part of the issue-- Ensuring that she knows and trusts that, no matter what, you will not humiliate her.
This is more complex and more important than anything else in this Newsletter. And it is also one of the most important things to learn if you want to be an amazing lover that consistently rocks her world.
At the core of this is what I often refer to as "Sexual Trust" and it is something that you can establish very quickly...
But if you've already screwed up, it can take a very long time to win it back.
Sexual Trust is a complex issue that, all by itself, can make you the best lover she has ever been with-- and it can ruin everything for her even if you know all of the "techniques and tricks" in the world.
Guys always get confused when I talk about Sexual Trust and mix it up with being "nice."
Nice has nothing to do with it.
Imagine you are going in for dangerous brain surgery...
Which doctor do you trust to go inside your head with a knife?
The "nice" doctor?
Or the doctor who looks you in the eye and says, "I know what I'm doing. I was the top of my class, this procedure is easy for me and you will be fine, Mr. Smith."
...And the thing is... your name ISN'T Smith... he got your name wrong. And the guy seems like an arrogant prick... But you can feel that he is completely confident about his work.
So which guy do you go with? The nice guy who remembers your name? ...or the guy who really seems to know exactly what he's doing and can get the job done?
You set up Sexual Trust by being sexually confident, by knowing exactly what you want and what you like, and not being shy or tentative about it.
You set up Sexual Trust by always making her feel like whatever she does and whatever happens during love making, you are never judgmental about it, you never make her feel weird, you never let YOUR insecurities make HER feel awkward.
You set up Sexual Trust by knowing EXACTLY what you are doing in the bedroom. (In other words, keep reading these Newsletters).
Okay, now you have the IMPORTANT information, I'll go ahead and tell you exactly HOW you should go about having anal sex with her for the first time.
To begin with, and I hate to mention something kind of unpleasant... but make sure that she uses the bathroom first.
That's right. You don't want any strange surprises.
Second, a nice shower or bath might be a good idea.
As far as I'm concerned, this is a great way to begin for any kind of sex.
Once you have gotten her good and ready with foreplay, you're going to want to begin by using your finger.
Either during oral sex or during sex from behind (doggy position), squeeze some lube onto your finger and gently insert it.
The more gentle you are now, the more easily you will be able to convince her that you are going to be gentle later. Patience is key.
Then, when you are ready, make sure the condom is secure and not torn, use plenty of lube, and then TELL her that you are going to stay still, that you will NOT THRUST AT ALL...
And then have HER gently back herself onto your erection.
This is such a good tip that I can't believe I'm giving it away for free.
No matter how gentle you are-- if YOU are controlling the motion, she is going to clench up, which will make it hurt for her.
But when SHE controls the motion, it is so much easier for her to remain calm and not clench that you will be all the way in in no time.
REMEMBER: When you tell her that you are not going to thrust, you have to be good on your word.
You can help guide it in, but no thrusting at all, no matter how frustrated you might get. Let her do it at her own pace.
Once she's gotten all the way in and has experimented a bit with the in-and-out motion, you can then ASK HER if you can gently take over the motion.
And that's all there is to it.
Congratulations, you have just introduced a woman to the pleasures of anal sex in an expert and confident way that she will always remember.
There is, as always, more I'd like to share with you because there are some more advanced ideas relating to anal sex that could actually get her HOOKED on it...
Including a position that, for some reason, almost always makes women come so hard that they vaginally squirt (female ejaculation).
Also, there is the entire subject of Sexual Trust-- I glossed over it here because it is so important to this topic, but there is much more to it, and to really understand it is so crucial to learning the kind of sexual confidence that lets any woman know immediately that she is safe in your hands.
And that will allow her to have the most intense orgasms of her life.
This is also the key to bringing up any other sexual fantasies or fetishes that you want to try out, but that you are worried that she might think it's weird or "get the wrong idea."
When you know how to communicate sexually with a woman, none of those things are ever a problem....Unless you get off on something really freaky like watching women crush live animals beneath their heels (yes, there are guys that are into that)...
Other than that, chances are she is going to be very enthusiastic about whatever it is that turns you on if you understand Sexual Trust.
So, first of all, I hope that you will go out and actually try the things that I have talked about in this Newsletter.
They work. And they work well. But also I hope that you'll continue to grow and learn and that your success with the ideas in this Newsletter will get you interested in learning the more advanced material that will make you a master lover.
Last thing I'd like to mention is that anal sex is not for everyone. If you are not into it, do not feel weird or like you HAVE TO try it.
You should do only the things that you really enjoy when you are making love.
Don't worry that she might need something else to please her. She doesn't.
If you are doing what you really enjoy, and you do it right, I promise that she'll get off on it too.
Have fun, and play safe.
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Rus (Commenting on Mommy's Little Secret that appeared in the last Cliff's List):
And to think, all this time I've been disappointed that I look just like my father.
Good stuff.
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Joseph W. South, Real Modern Man (http://josephwentsouth.com):
WHAT TRUE INTIMACY MEANS FOR A WOMAN
Women almost universally say that they crave “Intimacy”. And the world is literally filled with propaganda as to what this means for a woman.
In my opinion, when it comes to sex and intimacy, most men have this completely ass backwards. I deduce this from two areas:
1. Watching the way society says intimacy should be sought, observing AFCs acting it out, and observing both AFCs and their female partners grow increasingly frustrated. To me this is an easily observable frame and I see it all the time with couples who are out having a supposedly “intimate” dinner together.
2. Feedback I get from the women I’ve been Intimate with. You’ll note that a lot of this feedback, by definition, is not the “sitting around the fire” type of chit chat. It is very verbal in the form of the SEX TALK I get and it is very EXPLICIT.
Attraction + Comfort + Logistics = Sex. When you hear a woman talk about “Intimacy”, consider that she means a real, deep connection with the man at every phase here.
Attraction. You are an attractive man and you know it. The same way a beautiful woman knows it; not the way a tryhard thinks he knows it. This means you are not phased by her looks; you can really adore her looks but you can “see past” her looks. She’s feminine. She’s vulnerable. Most men she interacts with haven’t even the capability of seeing past her looks.
You might need to use C&F or a neg or two to demonstrate this sometimes. But as for negs, view those as training wheels; they are mere demonstrations that you are not phased by her looks. The next level for you is to bypass “looks” as an issue that need any compensatory tactic at all. From experience, I can say that this happens automatically when the company of beautiful women becomes routine for you. As in, only with experience and time.
Comfort. Comfort is all about having her trust you. Trust that you can:
- Fuck her and fuck her well
- Not embarrass her socially in the process
- Not be looking to her for comfort.
That last point is important and underscores a key difference between men and women: A woman looks to a man to provide her with comfort. A man needs to be comfortable also before he can have sex , but he must get that comfort from within himself and never from the woman!
Incongruence is simply where your outer actions do not match your inner beliefs. Don’t believe you can fuck this woman properly? Then you probably won’t be doing so, other than in your mind at home jerking off. Don’t absolutely know she is safe in your hands, physically but equally important, socially? Then she won’t feel nearly comfortable enough with you to fuck you.
This is precisely why the AFC technique of dating can be effective but so massively inefficient. Only a after a long process of courting can she finally feel safe enough with you, that you are essentially “harmless”. But what has that done for the Attraction part in the meantime?
Logistics. Again, book knowledge can help a lot, but real experience is required. You can read all about logistics, but without experience, it will be tough to convince her that you can execute the logistics in a safe way for her.
INTIMACY
When a woman who is with a man that can execute all of the above in a confident way, she can say say she feels intimate with him. Why? Because he is relating to her as a woman, in a way that almost no other man does. She will get the feeling that she is with a man who finally understands her.
What Intimacy Is Not
- Intimacy for a woman is not when you pour out your heart to her. That’s you looking to her for comfort. It will repel her. As a heterosexual woman she will not feel sexually attracted towards a man who needs her to generate comfort. She might feel maternal only if she has enough affection towards you.
- Intimacy for a woman is not you being passive in bed. Again, it demonstrates a fear of her and putting her on a pedestal. This type of energy is the way little boys treat their mothers. Most mothers don’t have the urge to fuck their sons after they’ve wiped the snot off their noses.
- Sexual Intimacy for a woman is not when you act like her therapist, letting her use you like an emotional tampon. That type of intimacy is reserved for her girlfriends.
- Intimacy for a woman is not when you are an abusive hard ass that has no empathy. When I say Empathy I want you guys to feel understanding for the woman without becoming a woman. These types of “low-level” alpha males who have no empathy can generate a lot of sexual attraction in a woman, but not real intimacy.
How to Know When You Are Really Intimate with a Woman
Women love gentle teasing. When she wants you to kiss her more/fuck her harder/move faster, when she is supplicating to you as her man, she is opening herself up to you completely. You are in complete control of the interaction. You are leading her on a roller-coaster ride of highs and lows. If you are in complete charge + she is loving it = Intimacy for her.
Whether you are whispering things in her ear, commanding her to perform a certain action, telling her a story, escalating sexually, or otherwise leading, you will see that she is in a virtual hypnotic state. That means she is feeling Intimate with you.
When you have a Good Girl horny enough and comfortable enough with you to cry out “fuck my little pussy! PLEASE!” it means she is feeling very, very Intimate with you.
Think about it guys: When a woman says you make her feel wonderful, it means she feels close to you, she knows that you really understand her, her mind and her body. That’s Intimacy for a woman.
The problem with society is they paint male-female intimacy as either in a boy-mother light or a girlfriend-girlfriend light. When a woman talks about being Intimate with her male lover, those are not the two kinds of intimacy she is talking about. We are here to learn about a more masculine way to create Intimacy for the woman.
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MINI-ANNOUNCEMENTS (includes promos of new sites, podcasts, events, products, etc.)
See the on-line version of this email at http://www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for more details about many of the following - once on the "Letter" page on the website, scroll down to the Promo section where you will see the Maxi-Announcements.
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- Zan Perrion has just launched his new Natural Game forum at http://www.naturalgame.com. A quote from Zan on the philosophy of the new forum: "It is time for change. I truly believe there is a next level of interaction between men and women that wants to be created on this earth. A Seduction Community 2.0, in a sense. We have hit the boundaries of what it is possible to explore. Like the early adventurers, crafting rickety canoes and rafts with tenuous sails, we have ventured out into the unknown sea and gone as far as these early vessels could take us. To explore further, to discover new lands, to be true treasure hunters, we need faster and better ships... This is the essence of natural game..."
- Suzy Bauer will be finally opening the doors to the Threesome PUA Secret Society and she has done a really sensual video tour of the "virtual lodge" of the Secret Society and you really gotta see it! As the Secret Society is opening on Jan 31st, she's running an "Early Bird" special and by simply trying the Secret Society Membership for 30 days she's giving away a truck load of expensive gifts for free! http://www.suzybauer.com/
- Mark J. Ryan, The Seduction King, and John Overdurf are giving away one of their greatest products, Mind Power for Life. This is an amazing process that Mark has used very successfully while teaching and coaching men to overcome fear and attain their goals with women. It's a very simple process, easy to implement, and it will change your life overnight. It's completely FREE; they're not even asking for email addresses. Go to http://www.MindPowerforFree.com and empower yourself now! Here is a great audio that is an hour and 20 minutes long about the psychology of strippers. Specifically, this audio describes how strippers are brainwashed, how brainwashing is used to get girls to dance, and how they are taught to brainwash you into giving them all your money. One of the participants in this podcast has written and amazing book about how to make $100,000 a year as a strip club DJ. You won't want to miss this interview by The Seduction King, Mark Ryan. Check out his link: http://www.stripclubdj101.com/?
- Payton Kane has revised his new powerhouse website and has his spectacular new Home Study Course available: http://www.seduceandconquer.com/
- David Wygant has a number of products available, including his Men's Audio Mastery Series (a complete 8 volume set), his book for men, Date to Win, his Girls Tell All Audio Series, one on Pickups and one on Secrets of Sex, his book Meet Someone Today, his audio product What's Your Excuse, and his original signature book Always Talk to Strangers. More info at: http://www.davidwygant.com/
- Curly Toe: Would you like to test your pick-up skills online ? Find out how much you have really learned from the community. Discover your strength/weakness. The tests on CurlyToe's new website are educational and entertaining. Check it out at: http://www.pickuptest.com
- Captain Jack has a couple of new products out, check these out:
1) The Warrior-King Society: Freedom, Money, Sex and Power Crush Previous Income Levels, Recapture Lost Sexual Vigor and Health, Rediscover Your Innate Masculine Instincts and Drive So You Can Dominate Your World and Become King of Your Own Ideal Life --Like You were Destined To... Captain Jack's Warrior King Society: http://www.thewarriorkingsociety.com/
2) Captain Jack's Six Week eCoaching Program for Discovering How to Sexualize Your Game, Blast Through Sticking Points and Build a Social Circle in Just 42 Days http://www.betheseducer.com/
- The Pickup Podcast with AJ and Jordan continues to bring you the best free audio content in the community on a weekly basis and includes interviews with all the big names from Lance Mason to Ross Jeffries and even Neil Strauss. Check it out at pickuppodcast.com
- Scot McKay has just launched the VIRTUOSITY series, featuring over two-dozen of the most respected names in men's attraction and seduction advice. With six full sections, the amount of sheer value in Scot's new program challenges any advanced series ever produced. Best of all, Scot's character-based approach is very evident throughout. VIRTUOSITY deserves serious consideration by any man who is through with trickery and quick-fixes and is ready to deserve the highest echelon of women on Earth. Full coverage of online dating that rivals stand-alone products elsewhere is one of the many pluses, and even 1-on-1 time with Scot is included. This is a groundbreaking release which is sure to raise the bar. Check it out at: http://deservewhatyouwant.com/virtuosity/special/ You can also get his flagship ebook product Deserve What You Want here: http://deservewhatyouwant.com/ebook/
- Gabrielle Moore has prepared an eye-opening video about the G-Spot orgasm. Gabrielle is the author of the now-famous book "The Female Orgasm Revealed". And now Gabrielle decided to take her intimate advice to the next level. You´ll be impressed (just as I was!) To watch the video now, go to: http://www.thegspotcode.com/afvideo.html
- Jorj has some interesting products available including the "Attraction Magnet" (more details in the full Promo section which is below, only on the website) http://www.magicalmindpower.com/lovepower.htm
- Johnny Soporno (http://www.TheWorthyPlayboyInstitute.com), a major hit at the 2006 Cliff's List Convention, is now offering boot camps, his new book, and some extensive free downloads. For more details, check out the full promo below (if you are reading this in an email, it's on the online verstion of this at http://www.cliffslist.com).
- Carlos Xuma has just released a very unique and special new program: Power Social Skills: Social Dynamics. This CD set will give you "X-ray" vision - to see past the surface of any social interaction and instantly know what each person is doing. You'll learn how to spot the games people play and defuse them - AND you'll be able to get to deeper connection with people. Go read his special report here: http://www.powersocialskills.com/
- PUATraining have a video showing a 2 minute day-time KISS CLOSE. It's an unbelievable video. They have that and 25 more in the free to access PUATrainingvault (http://www.puatraining.com/). To help others gain that unbreakable confidence, they have recently released an instant MP3 download called Approaching Confidence. Check it out here (http://www.puatraining.com/confidence).
- Magnus of Bristol Lair fame has written a book on Emotional Freedom Technique, with a PUA supplement on improving your Inner Game. The free videos on his site take you through how to use the techniques to reduce your approach anxiety and feel good in the field. There's also an hour-long seminar explaining how the technique works. http://www.innergametapping.com/
- Magnus: My buddy Sheriff is running a 30 day challenge for guys, with a $1,000 top prize. All you've got to do is keep an online journal, and go out every night. Free to enter, and should super-charge your game. http://www.growyourgame.com/
- Would you know if she was FAKING IT? Learn to blow her mind every time and set yourself apart from any other guy she has ever been with before. Subscribe to Alex Allman's FREE Newsletter and get hundreds of FREE tips and techniques that will have her bragging to her friends about your skills. http://www.revolutionarysex.com/
- The Joseph W. South Show! Relationship Mastery. Joseph's Rant on Love, Sex, Relationships... and the Business of Life! http://josephwentsouth.com
- For a limited time, save $28 on Magic Bullets By Savoy at this review page: http://www.squidoo.com/magicbulletsbook. Go Here To Download The Seduction Community Toolbar by Diabolik - http://www.diabolikseduction.com/the-seduction-community-toolbar-by-diabolik/
- Prof's Seduction Blog is all about Attraction and Pick Up, The life and learnings of a pick up artist. Seduction, dating, and the art of attraction. Meet women of exceptional beauty. http://www.seduction-blog.com
- Marius Panzarella: This link goes to a special page with the download link for a free ebook and also a discount offer that is only available to readers of Cliff's List. http://www.datebeautifulwomen.com/ezine.html
- Savoy: http://www.lovesystems.com/blogs has my blog, Sinn’s blog, Captain Jack’s blog, Tenmagnet’s blog, etc…a lot of talent. And http://www.lovesystems.com/publications has a free publications library.
- Steve Taylor, a.k.a. Lifeguard, teaches guys how to become a cool, confident, fun and sexy guy that women love. You can sign up for a live workshop or Distance Coaching at http://www.confidentimage.com or visit his blog: http://datingskillsforrealmen.blogspot.com
- Any girl deserves a chance to be presented with a choice... and we sometimes need to forgive and forget the people who made us create negative assumptions about the new women we meet...www.NoNonSenseLife.com - It's written in both English and Spanish
- How to attract women Naturally! Check out Cameron Teone’s Building Attraction Secrets. What makes this book any different or unique to other books? The fact that it makes a perfect symbiosis between inner game and outer game on the one hand, and the theoretical and practical on the other hand as well as implementing the very important concepts of lifestyle and masculinity in a very practical manner that will change your life forever. Check it out at http://www.attractwomenanywhere.com/ebook.html
- ACE is a specialist in the art of charisma and teaches workshops. Email acepua@gmail.com to arrange a place.
- Jake Rockford: How to separate the men from the boys: Finally there is an "all-in-one" toolbox for ultimate success for today's Urban Renaissance Man. Whether you want natural And simple ways To meet, attract, and date The women Who Are Right For YOU, learn how to get a kick-butt, no-nonsense workout in as little as four minutes while saying 'Goodbye' to health club fees, or master ancient and powerful tantric secrets of multiple orgasm for both you AND her, "The Dangerous Book" has it all! All this plus a goldmine of games, puzzles, bar bets, and impromptu magic tricks for fun and fascination anywhere, anytime and time-tested tools to build focus, intention, and creativity... The Dangerous Book is here to help you be your absolute best! http://www.thedangerousbook.net/Check_it_out.html
- Lucas J. West : You can sign up for my email list at http://www.LucasWest.com. The second or third email you'll get gives you a direct link to everything I've put out over the past year. I recommend reading the Rapport Report and the Path of Least Resistance as your major starting points (they're both free). As for Demonic Confidence, that's at http://www.DemonicConfidence.com. Guys can contact Lucas if they already have decided they want a Skype hypnosis session with a reputable professional by sending him an email at lucas@lucaswest.com.
- New product release: "The Naturally Magnetic Male Conditioning System." Are you interested in developing a high level of charisma and personal magnetism that will help you in EVERY area of your life? The 15 clear cut steps use progressive conditioning, the best charisma techniques and traits of naturals to bring out the magnetic male already living within you. http://puahelpdesk.com/
- Lisa Lloyd offers "The Only Real Lesbian Seduction Guide For Men" which she claims will give you a head start on other men when dating. The guide reveals dating methods from a lesbian perspective, as "a fascinating insight into a woman's mind/body and she answers questions such as "Why can't women say no to other women?" http://www.lesbian-seduction-guide.com/
- Attract and Date has released the new Home Study Course: 10 students filmed on a Workshop where everyone had, at least, a date from the street. Great quality of picture and sound! Everyone is wired with audio and action is totally realistic. You get to see their shining successes and big failures also. See and HEAR for the first time students like a 40 year old scientist that never approached on the street with Sharks "I like you" and getting fantastic results! Go to http://www.AttractAndDate.com to see 50 screen shots from the DVD Course. Get inspired!
- Frank B Kermit (http://www.lulu.com/content/1585762): Brother Kermit has just published I'm A Man, That's My Job: The Philosophy of a Seducer, A Complete Inner Game Workbook. Here is the link: http://www.lulu.com/content/875062 You can buy it for $49.95 US. It has all the lists, plus more. The rules of relationships The base life philosophies AND A description of the 10 stages of development from Loser to Seducer to Natural. This book also has charts to track your development. Are you curious as to what goes on at lair meetings? Well, we can not tell you the details, but I can share this with you: We do Emotional Needs Analysis as a group. What is an ENA (Emotional Needs Analysis)? You are given a situation, based on a real experience, and then do an analysis of that situation applying Frank B Kermit's 10 emotional needs of women theories. It was developed as part of the Bring Up the Skill Levels of All Newbies Program. If you were banned from a lair, or if you want to learn seduction, but do not want to be identified by other students of the art, you can still get the lair experience. Just check out this 120+ preview: http://www.lulu.com/browse/preview.php?fCID=1585762 Go through it. Check it out. See if you got the understanding of men-women dynamics to figure out the answer. I hope you learn something.
- Art, the well know day game master, has been with Pickup community since 2002 and has just started Pick Up Future, a site that will hold predictions about the future of the pickup community, and which direction community is heading. Did you know that Pickup is becoming an industry? Did you know that Style Life training was ahead of Mystery Method in visitors? Do you know what will happen in 2008 for pickup community? If you would like to know answers to this and many more other question, and see what future holds for pick up artists, then go to http://www.PickUpFuture.com. He also has just launched his new site, centered around educating men on seduction in 1on1 carefully individualized coaching packages. Available only in NYC: http://www.NewYorkDatingCoach.com
- Most dating "gurus" talk about inner game, but fall far short in actually providing you with practical solutions for solving your inner game issues. With his Hypnotica's program, "Ultimate Inner Game", you can transform your mind and emotions in just days! http://www.ultimateinnergame.com/
- DiClassified DRILLS! Vin DiCarlo of DiCarlo DiClassified has released his new drill-based training, which boasts a total of 36+ real time drills specifically designed for pick-up training. Drills based-training develops your game in a way that is systematic, effective, personalized, natural and best of all, fun! The curriculum can be found at http://www.vindicarlo.com/drills
- Thundercat's Art of Approaching is available here: http://www.artofapproaching.com/
- Want to master your sex life? Male escort and liv e s ex performer NathanX leads a team of male and female s ex instructors in their intensive and popular workshop "Sexual Mastery for Men". They teach what 99.9% of guys do not know and will never know. Where PUA skills end, sexual mastery skills begin. PUA skills enable you to get the girl. Sexual and relationship management enables you to keep her in the sort of relationships you want. Workshops also include a live demonstration of techniques! What they teach at MYSL is the real deal. No one else in the world is teaching what they teach. Free videos, audios and blog. http://www.masteryoursexlife.com/products/volume1/
- Doc, a featured speaker at both the 2005 & 2006 Cliff's List Conventions, is holding seminars. For more info go to his new site at http://www.TrueLifeSkills.com.
- Cardinal has released The Cardinal Flight Plan (CFP) Ebook soon. Go to Seductiontech.com and sign-up for his newsletter, and be sure to watch your email.
- In the Toronto area Christiano has been teaching men to work from their inner game to outer game in a way that is congruent to their identity. Most see results after being taught the skills in the workshop immediately. Find out more by visiting: http://bestnaturalgame.com.
- Ron Louis & David Copeland have put out a new ebook "How to be the Bad Boy Women Love." Find out more at http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/htg/
- New Book/Audio release: "Park Bench Dating." Are you currently meeting women in the day time? Do you know how easy it is to get a quality number in a few minutes, just as you go through your day? Written by Art, an NYC dating coach, who came from PUA community and turned pure natural. Covered by The New York Times and ABC Television, his methods of meeting in the day time are so effective simply because they are so easy to use everyday. http://www.ParkBenchDating.com
- Uncle Ruckus has started a new youtube show called "The Nice Guy Show" and he'd like for you to watch. You can also visit his home page at http://www.adviceonwomen.com. He plugs Cliff's List on a recent one, too!
- Society "Of Cool" - Description of Group: Simple: This place is for all of you dudes and chicks who are rad cool and want to step their game up in life with wealth building(money) and relationship building (women/men). Living a healthy lifestyle is considered "cool" as well.. This place is ONLY FOR COOL PEOPLE. If you are a beta male, chump, nerd, loser, you are getting your a$$ banned! Visit this Link: http://www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=1
- Gigi has just launched a new website: http://www.puaratings.com PUA Ratings evolves around a rating system for PUA products, where you can rate and write your own reviews about your favorite (and not so favorite) seduction products or boot camps, and read what others have to say about them, before you make a purchase. The site also features a 'PUA Comparison Engine', a tool that will become more and more viable as more reviews enter the system. There's also a forum and a live chat where live events will be hosted. So make your opinion count - sharpen your keyboards and start writing reviews!
- Rion Williams: Join my brand new 'Natural Game Dating' mailing list and newsletter at http://www.naturalgamedating.com There's no cost and it's now my primary mailing list. It's got the most relevant and advanced behavioral science based on experience and results so that you can become much more of a true natural and a powerful, confident man with women.
- Herbal, one of the characters made famous by The Game, has finally released an ebook after taking some time away from the community. He also offers a free 10 Day E-Mail Bootcamp." For more information, visit http://www.makeherchaseyou.com/
- How to be an all-around cooler person - completely free, practical advice for guys on social skills, getting along with people, and getting your act together - all written by a recovered loser. Not everyone will need to read the material here, but take a look if you think you could benefit from improving your people skills before diving into the seduction game. Feel free to check it out at http://www.howtobecooler.com
- LayGuide was the original inspiration for Neil Strauss to write "The Game" and is still the most thorough and continually updated collection of the best dating, attraction and seduction tips in the world: http://www.layguide.com/
- In The Game by Neil Strauss, "TwoTimer" is talked about as one of the top players. His more commonly known handle is IN10SE, and his "Octoberman Sequence" has been whispered about and become a LEGEND in the on-line Pickup artist community. It's rumored to give a woman ULTIMATE pleasure and you ULTIMATE control - in as little as 15 minutes! Only the BEST of the BEST know it. Check it out here: http://www.octoberman.com/
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PROMOS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & REVIEWS SECTION
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LAIR SECTION
Lairs are gatherings of PUA's of differing levels and talents that meet in different cities to discuss their experiences and to work together to improve their success with women.
More Lair Listings can be found at http://dutchseduction.blogspot.com/ and at http://www.bristollair.com, as well as at http://www.seductionlair.com:
A YAHOO GROUP FOR THOSE RUNNING LAIRS:
If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a Yahoo Group for organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different, this group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics are discussed, just organization ideas. To join please email RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who you are and what Lair you are running. You can also go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningaPUAgroup/
LAIR GROUP
If you run a lair or are considering starting one, join this group to exchange ideas with the rest of the community and keep informed of community activities. http://www.LairList.com Contact: LairList@LairList.com
Lair List is an official directory of lairs worldwide. The Lair List Foundation is an international nonprofit cooperation of lair owners. LairList.com is completely nonprofit. LairList.com is 100% non-commercial. If you run a lair or are considering starting one, register your lair here http://lairlist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers. Join this group (http://lounge.lairlist.com/) to exchange ideas with the international lair community. Get the latest seduction news from around the world (http://www.lairlist.com/).
HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Lair meetings are scheduled currently once a month on Sundays. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. The Lair now has a magnificent new online discussion forum that was put together by Loveur.
The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.
Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):
MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.
NEW FRENCH MONTREAL LAIR FORMED
Good news! Montreal has now a FRENCH Lair! Oui! Ever wanted to be part of a lair without having to learn another language?
- A lair which would offer you support
- A lair which would allow you to find new wingman
- A lair where you would be able to learn
- A lair where you would be able to share
- A lair which would offer occasions to sarge
- A lair where you would be able to conquer your fear
- A lair which would allow you to become a better PUA 100 times faster
And all that in FRENCH! Now is your chance! We've just opened our forum located at http://www.seduire.ca , registration are free. You can also apply to become a Montreal VIP which will offer you the possibility to be part of the best French PUA Team in Montreal. We also have a section dedicated to people of Quebec City cause we love you :) Note that the sooner you become part of our family, the sooner you'll be the person you want to become.
Many of our members are experts in specifics techniques such as Mystery Method, Juggler Method, direct/indirect techniques and know about their stuff. They are the people you want to hang with. As David DeAngelo too often said: "You want to befriend those people who've got the talent you want to have so you can learn with them and from them." The forum is located at http://www.seduire.ca. We hope to see you there soon!
NEW LAIR IN TORONTO
Frank B Kermit's Toronto Seduction Lair
No Minors! No Hazing Rituals! No Membership Fees! No Referral Link 'Click Fees'! No Forced Paid Workshops to gain access! No Organized Pirating of Copyright Materials! No illegal activates nor criminal associations whatsoever! Fully MODERATED to encourage a 100% RESPECTFUL learning environment!
An Advanced Section for Gurus and Top Guys who have mastered basic game! Separate sections for Commercial announcements and seduction Discussions!
Seduction Gurus are WELCOMED directly into the Advanced Section! An Active Free Newbie System designed to bring up skill levels FASTER!
Men's Only Group (confidentiality and privacy assured)! A Seduction FOCUSED group, no distractions! http://www.torontolair.ca/
THE TORONTO LAIR
The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at http://www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.
MORE TORONTO
There are at least two other PUA groups in Toronto:
http://www.torontophoenixsociety.com
and
http://www.torontolair.org
VANCOUVER SOCIAL BOARD
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU and go sarging in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
NEW SOUTH AFRICAN SEDUCTION LAIR:
The South African Seduction Lair unites guys from all the major cities in Johannesburg, Cape Town, Port Elizabeth and Durban. We have a excellent cultural mix and therefore the women are very diverse and different strategies sometimes need to be applied to achieve results. We have very experienced members in Speed Seduction, NLP, Direct Approach, Cocky & Funny, etc. We will introduce you to a key wingman in your city. And on our Google Group you can download free resources from all over the Internet. Contact ramon@ramonthomas.com for more info. Join here: http://groups.google.com/group/sa-seduction-lair
NEW BRIGHTON LAIR
Darklight wrote to announce the new Lair which has just been set up in sunny Brighton on the south coast of England. They are a small group of PUAs hitting up the bars, clubs, street and beaches of Brighton. People are welcome to join, all styles and skill levels -- so long as they are active in field. Contact them at http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/brightonpickup/ or at brightonpickup@googlemail.com
IRISH LAIR
The Irish Lair has 211 members and was started December, 2005. Its Lair Leader is Stealth and their website is: http://www.irishseduction.com/forum or you can contact: stealth.waves@gmail.com or xrockridgex@gmail.com
New Lair in Grenoble
http://www.verselejus.com/pua/index.php?topic=1247.0
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE:
I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporadically for sarging and for scheduled meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com.
AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: http://www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com
Also, a new board has been started named AUSTRIAN SEDUCTON COMMUNITY (ASC) and the Lair URL for that is http://www.austrianseduction.com. Ben and Rey can be reached at info@6system.info. Described as the next generation of PU-Communities! ASC supports you with: - public/private photo albums; Event calender & Lair meeting System; PU-Lexicon; Video Blog; personal Notes System; & the best German-speaking PUAs including 2 females!
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.
SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUAs. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire! Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks, Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to Wing, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.
EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here: http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/
ISRAEL LAIR
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to http://www.tironut69.com
DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in pursuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can Wing with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com Also, go to http://www.toplair.com/ for more information about PUA Lair activity in Tampa.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at: Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is http://wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
Edmonton Men's Social Improvement Club, a Registered Non-Profit Organization can be reached at: http://www.socialimprovementclub.org or by email: applicants@socialimprovementclub.org
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, Wing with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to sarge regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at DutchSeduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to nllounge@dutchseduction.com. Visit our Website: http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/ or http://www.DallasSeductionLair.com
DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum (http://www.dallaspua.com/forum), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to http://www.DallasPua.com
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM, SS, RSD, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rock stars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night, 10PM in Norwich City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with Wings in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ http://www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
THIRD NEW YORK CITY LAIR STARTED:
NYC Wingman. Here is the Link : http://wingman.meetup.com/31/?gj=sj2
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make new friends, and meet up with Wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's constantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We sarge regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com
SCOTLAND LAIR
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SSs.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUAs can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet Wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
ARIZONA LAIR
Arizona Pick-Up Artist: This lair was started in July 2004 by Cramias and J-Dog. We initially wanted to build a PUA community in Arizona to; improve our skills, have training resources, and especially encourage people in Arizona to actually get involved and Wing together. As of Jan'05 we have 33 Arizona members and almost 200 members worldwide. Thousands of archived posts and more training resources under way. There is a Wing contact list for Verified Arizonans only, and we have frequent lair meetings and many people now Wing together. Visit http://www.ArizonaPUA.com. Contact jdog@arizonapua.com
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field. All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It?s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at gpatel1981@yahoo.com
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & sarge, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and sarge 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFCs who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
CONNECTICUT PLAYER'S LAIR:
CT Player's Lair now opens its membership to any PUA from the skill levels of RAFC to MPUA and lives in the CT, NY, NJ, RI, or Massachusetts area. We have our own private pick up knowledge base that all members may use as a resource to learn from and use in the field with us. Please register at: http://www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php. Registration is free until January 20th of Next Year!
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated forum where You can exchange your views on the game and meet with Wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUAs, sharing the best techniques for Italian hot babes, sarging together, sarging trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
ATLANTA LAIR:
Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will sarge from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfer girls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_cai