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Clint "Arté" Arthur (www.newsensualpower.com): Field Report: Mystery's Mastery
On Friday night I had the honor of watching a true master at work. I was a guest at Mystery's Los Angeles ASF
workshop, and was privileged to benefit from observing him in action as both a teacher and a Man On The Town. The entire experience was truly EXTRAORDINARY and PROFOUND.
My night began with a private dinner in the lounge of the ultra-hip Standard Hotel on the Sunset Strip, where Mystery, his wing -man Style and I engaged in a lengthy discourse about the ASF community, sexual power, sex magic, my new book "9 Free Secrets of New Sensual Power," and the very nature of Energy.
Mystery is as intelligent, well-spoken, and charismatic as any man I've ever met, and at the conclusion of our dinner, when he proclaimed Desire to be the ultimate determinant of power, it was a true breakthrough moment of clarity and insight, I think, for all of us.
Style is quite the Renaissance Man himself. Educated, worldly, and articulate, he proved to be a skilled diplomat as well; when Mystery and I seemed to be at complete loggerheads over our respective brands of Sex Magic. You see, Mystery's sex magic seems to be about using actual "presto-change-o" kind of magic to get sex. My kind of Sex Magic is about implanting positive suggestions into one's subconscious during sex in order to make one's goals, ambitions and dreams come into reality. "For example," I said to Mystery. "What are you thinking about when you are getting a blowjob?"
He said, "I'm thinking about that great piece of ass between my legs."
I said, "See, I'm thinking about my book being #1 on Amazon.com"
"But you're wasting that great piece of ass!" he objected.
"And you're wasting that sexual energy that could be making your dreams come true," I responded.
We went back and forth on this for quite a while, neither of us making any headway with the other, until Style dissolved the spat with these few words: "Arté, are you talking about Napoleon Hill's concept of Sex Transmutation?" Suddenly Mystery and I were seeing eye to eye. (I was in my early 20's when I read Think and Grow Rich, and at the time, hadn't understood Sex Transmutation. With Style's help it all came clear.)
Shortly before the "Students" showed up for Mystery's workshop, a couple of blondes walked up and started hitting on Mystery. One was a 7.5+ and the other was a 5. He immediately started in on them with his charm and his sex-magic, and they soon sat down and ordered a couple glasses of champagne. Then we couldn't get rid of them.
As the workshop participants arrived our circle of seats kept growing until we all went out to the terrace overlooking the sparkling lights of West Hollywood for a more quiet atmosphere in which Mystery could give a brief "lecture" about his theories and the program for the evening. This was a brilliant half-hour under a brilliant full moon, sipping hot chocolates.
It was amazing to gain an understanding about the nature of Mystery's work. On the surface it would seem it's just about picking up chicks. But deep down it is extremely advanced and cutting edge self-help technology. The goal is not just to score babes, but rather, to become a more dynamic, charismatic, successful and sought-after person. Here, here!
Mystery's method springs from his theory that a true 10 cannot be approached directly. She will require a prospective suitor to achieve social validation and proof prior to admission to her exclusive and wonderful world. Thus, students are instructed to tackle two-sets and three sets around the ultimate target , to parlay the conquests and parade the pawns around the room as clear demonstrations of desirability and worth prior to putting any moves on Miss Magnificence herself.
According to Mystery, scoring a 10 the only type of babe Mystery plays for is a matter of making many chess-like moves on the high-stakes playing-field that the ignorant refer to as a bar, a party, or a club. He says any man can do it, but you gotta play the game to win.
The reasoning is truly genius. The scientific approach which ensues is total mastery, having been developed, obviously, over many years and with the participation of many naked HBs.
Topics covered that night included openers, routines, accessories, props, finding, meeting, targets , body posture, stance, how to smile, what to wear, patterns and patter, speech rhythms, timing, scoring, rating, time constraints, how to command attention of a set when you're not even paying attention to it, number closing, kiss closing, the binary rating system, image, and the concept of Peacock-ing.
I particularly loved it when Mystery explained the importance of the setting up a "forced time constraint" for yourself, using the example of the 2 dumb blondes who sat down with us earlier and how uncomfortable it was for us not to be able to get rid of them.
It was also great that Mystery and Style specifically instructed the Students not to neg any girls who were less than "babes" because "They've got it hard enough in life without getting negged." This type of compassion is truly indicative of how Mystery's work is really about making "better people."
I was inspired many times during the night. The overall readiness of the students to go out and dive into the various sets was amazing. These guys - who, were it not for their studies of ASF , look like they'd probably be very shy, non-world-beater fellows were fearless. They approached sets of three and four 8's and 9's like it was nothing. Mixed sets with guy cock-blocks were taken equally well in stride. And after each set, Mystery and Style were there with laser-precise comments of exactly what each student should do to improve on his next outing. It was obvious that Mystery and Style not only had great skill and knowledge of their material, but that they also truly care about the men they teach, and about the ASF community, which they honestly (and rightly) believe is making the world a better place, one set at a time.
The most impressive thing I saw all night was when Style went in on a 8 or 9-set at a corner table. It was a Mixed set with cool-looking guys and several HB9+s. A girl in a hat (note the accessory) was proclaimed by all to be the hottest chick at this Sunset Strip hotspot that night, and at Mystery's urging, Style proceeded to work that set like a true master.
His approach: utter casualness and grace. Within moments he had many of them laughing, high-fiving, and demonstrating his welcomeness in the group. He became part of their set almost instantly, and when he ejected (with a phone number) several minutes later, he knew their next scheduled stop on The Strip, and was primed to rejoin his "new friends" for further work softening up these hard Hollywood hotties.
My deep appreciation to Mystery, Style, and all the men of Friday night's workshop for helping to understand the true value to society that this community and this movement represents. When I left the Standard I felt like Mystery and his men were responsible for so much of the fun that was had by so many people that night. They truly made that environment a much better place. And they gave me a new appreciation of how, through the use of Mystery's Methods, I could become a better person.
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aa: > Mark B.: But I find that being direct or indirect really does not matter as long as you are able to either keep it light and deal with her shit tests. Telling a woman she is stunning is only a small part of the total interaction and I find really irrelevant to success or failure. It's the nature of your follow up conversation and style that tends to determine one's success.
aa aa: Well put, and I totally agree. Exactly what I am finding out. It doesn't matter how I open up anymore, it's the overall interaction that counts. Continuing the conversation and rapport is the key. I was getting gas at a gas station and I opened up a target getting gas at the pump next to me with, "Hey, do you know what time it is." Picture this said in a confident and nonchalant tone.
Now, I have a question. And perhaps, you (Cliff) can answer this directly. I'm wondering what type of results you or other people are getting out of street approaches. I am finding street approaches to produce very little results, perhaps because targets often cannot get over the fact that they met some guy on the street. Please no "limiting beliefs" speech, I know it's possible, I'm just observing that I get less apprehension and better results when I meet them in other situations apart from the street PU , like striking up conversations with people sitting next to me at lunch, in the train, shopping in stores. Even when I get a number, it's the street PUs that I get the most flakes.
Clifford: Street PU Here's something that I have some experience with having spent a good portion of my summers stopping only the hottest looking women on the busy streets of Montreal (and in the past in Chicago, L.A., NY, and....actually almost everywhere).
My tried and true opener (what I also call my "default opener" for when I can't think of anything else) is to look at them with a quizzical look on my face and go "Excuse me, aren't you...you look exactly like..." and I drag this out for a couple of minutes. During this time I am making a decision on whether she has a sense of humour or not in this situation. If not, I continue with "I guess you aren't the person I thought you were, but you look like you might be worth getting to know in any event" or, again, something similar that just makes it an even, somewhat serious-toned transition to wanting to know more about her. If I feel she's got a sense of humour, I hit her with the punchline "You look exactly like....someone I should meet!"
When I first come up to them I make a point of walking around them - I don't come up to them and stay in one position, I keep moving around them so they have to follow me with their eyes at least. This is done relatively slowly while holding eye contact. It is interesting how this generates tremendous curiosity in them and you also create instant rapport. From here, I usually pace the ongoing reality and/or move into an intuitive cold reading about her - whatever it is that pops into my head about her I will say. An example might be that "...something tells me that while you don't usually meet someone in the middle of the street, you are enough of an individual to want to know more about someone who finds you attractive and lets you know this in a gentlemanly way."
Now I find street PU 's work best when you are at your sharpest (not that this should be any surprise). For example, I started up with this hot blonde in a mall hallway and she says to me "No, you don't know me, I am not from here." So I ask her where she's from and she says Germany, all the while leaning to keep walking away from me. Then I ask her "Are there intelligent women in Germany?" Now this really hooked her and we got into a spirited discussion for a few minutes, but she kept insisting that she's got a BF for the last 6 years (I told her it was time for a change) and I wasn't able to get past that. I have found that appealing to their intelligence both by saying something about her being intelligent (eg. saying she seems like an intelligent person) or by being completely straight forward with them, especially about what is happening between us at this very minute (treating them as a highly intelligent individual), is very compelling.
Back to openers for a moment. I still use a few canned openers, but I strongly prefer something that conveys direct interest based on what's happening at the moment (such as the opener above) versus an indirect approach (eg. Ricki Lake, asking an opinion, etc.). I will do those when they just spontaneously erupt from me, but as I am usually only approaching 9's & 10's, I am not that spontaneous - I try to read into what I am thinking about her but I might go with a compliment opener, usually about either her energy, the way she carries herself, or anything else that I specifically notice. But I have found that by being clear about my interest is much better for me than being indirect as I have found that they can get weirded out not knowing for sure what your intentions are. On the flip side, I get a good sense of relief from them when they know where you are coming from and, if you don't blow it, are much more open and receptive after.
The next and most important step is to move to a close. I suggest why don't we sit down and have a coffee? This is the most important step. If she's running somewhere, then you go for the phone number or an email address if you feel that there was enough interest. If not, I just toss them back and go after the next one. Once you've isolated them and are sitting with them, after such a high risk opening to your new relationship, I have found the closing ratio to be very high. It's getting them isolated that is the big step.
The following is a report of Juggler's workshop (www.seductionarts.com) in Vancouver (Stormwolf and myself were the participants) and a report of an airport PU --> !close which took place in Seattle immediately following the workshop.
There is so much to be said about this workshop that Stormwolf and I can't possibly cover all of the material, nor can we provide a full account of EVERYTHING that was said and done, so to deal with the length of this report I am going to cover the material that most helped me and give a few examples of situations we encountered in the field with regards to each point and subsequently give my overall thoughts on the workshop. There are some very interesting and funny things that happened that I have left out since the post is so friggin long as it is, but I will start other threads for them later (but not tonight, I am SOOOOO wiped after I finish this post, LOL). Stormwolf and I both went into the workshop with strong game by Juggler's estimation. It was a marathon day/night workshop and the venues included, bars, restaurants, clubs, streets, malls, clothing stores, bus stops, bookstores, coffee shops, and even the beach. I am fairly positive I interacted with upwards of 100 women in two days. It was tiring.
I got very little sleep all weekend, the least of the three of us. But that was primarily because I could feel my game literally metamorphosing during the entire workshop and I wanted to be awake for every second of it.
Juggler is a really cool guy. He is not only into seduction mentorship as a business but he is genuinely interested in the success of his students and many of his former students are now his close friends. We hit it off as soon as we started talking on the phone.
Seeing him IRL was great. It's so cool to see the most normal looking guy (Juggler looks about as Joe-Blow-average-dude as you can get) with such awesome game. Women are into him wherever he goes.
When I showed up at the Seattle airport, having driven from Portland, to pick up Juggler at the baggage claim, I had a sarge going and he jumped right in when he saw me sarging before we even formally met.
"You will NEVER guess what Juggler does for a living," I said at one point in the convo.
"What DO I do for a living, SexPDX?," asked Juggler, "THIS should be interesting."
"Juggler is a garbage man," I began, "AND he has ANOTHER job....where he teaches guys how to PU girls. In fact I have paid him to fly out here to teach me how. He is famous for the effect he has on women, WORLD RENOWNED in fact." Eventually I left to smoke a cigarette and Juggler continued talking to the chick for a while. He told me later that he thought she was on the edge of whether to believe us or not but he swayed her towards thinking it was a joke. If she ONLY KNEW how true it was! Hahaha! That interaction set a good tone for the weekend as we drove north to Vancouver where we would post up at Stormwolf's place. I had been sarging with Stormwolf on previous occasions.
Juggler's eye for interpersonal interaction is astonishing. He was able to observe many of my sarges and tell me exactly what the woman was thinking in such a way that I couldn't argue with.
When he explained it made perfect sense to the point where I often found myself wondering why the hell something he had observed in me was not a conclusion I had come to myself. His insight has added years to my life by saving time thinking "what if this? What if that?"
Juggler Method is a process that focuses on gaining deep rapport quickly by targeting wide ranges of expression. The goal is to move towards the feeling between you and the woman of being comfortable to freely express yourselves about anything and the feeling of mutual desire to be involved in each other's lives. If you can achieve these things, #closes, *closes, !closes, or whatever will happen naturally because they are inevitable.
The Juggler Method itself, in my interpretation, is not a series of instructions of what to say and do in order to achieve skill in the game because NO SUCH INSTRUCTIONS EXIST. The method is more of a combination of a set of body language techniques and a conversational framework, what is actually said comes from YOU. Relying on yourself rather than material coming from OUTSIDE yourself is the central philosophy of Juggler Method.
Juggler and I are in total agreement that viewing seduction as a battle to be won or approaching it competitively is not the best frame of mind. Seduction is a cooperative effort between you and the woman. The interactions are a dialogue not a monologue. It's something you and her do together, not something you do *to* her. And seduction should be something you do for your own enjoyment of it and not something you do to look cool to others. The competitive attitudes that have been cultivated among some guys in the seduction community do not help guys get started nor are they something that help guys who already have game advance their game and they are something that I would like to see abandoned.
For the record, I would like to at this time retract ANY criticism or chastising I have ever directed towards Mystery students for insisting that one has to see MM done IRL to get it because the same thing is true of Juggler Method. The body language and conversational style are a huge part of the method and it they don't come across completely on the internet.
*** JUGGLER AND "ALPHANESS" ***
Juggler's immediate observations of me were that I was "too alpha". By this he meant that I had a lot of energy which had times came off as being aggressive. When I started as a newbie a long time ago, I thought this was important. So I tried to be as alpha as I could. My friends back home who are natural PUA 's are all much MORE alpha than me and I thought I was FAR from being "too alpha" but Juggler thought otherwise. Since I don't even try to come across alpha at all anymore, this was something I did unconsciously probably as result of exposure to my very alpha friends. Juggler thought I needed to tone down the alphaness a little because since I am tall, have a deep voice, and have an expressive face with large eyes my alphaness was intimidating a lot of people. I never thought about it that way but he was right.
*** OPENING ***
The first real day of the workshop pretty much blew away any sticking point I had associated with opening. Prior to the workshop I could open fine MOST of the time but I tended to reuse canned openers a little too much and relied heavily on opinion openers (both of which I will still do occasionally).
What Juggler recommends is to enter a venue looking for openers rather than looking for targets . To look for creative pretenses to talk to anyone. Kids, UG 's, dudes, old people, families. Whoever. If you can get good enough at this, starting conversations with women who are actual targets you want to seduce will be easier. Also, it's good to demonstrate to potential targets by talking to non- targets in their vicinity that you are a confident person who is genuinely interested in people and who has no problem talking to a stranger.
During one exercise, Juggler had us enter a Starbucks with a smile and get into a good interaction with the first or second person we see. I talked to a paramedic about my dad who is a cop back home and about his job for a while and then over by the cream counter I managed to rally a semi-large group of people around a picture hanging above the cream counter trying to figure out what the picture was actually OF. Fun stuff.
Statements make the strongest openers. "I like..." for example is something he uses.
Questions can be good as long as you can follow up with some good value-stacking statements following the question. Something as simple as "Hi, how are you?" with immediate follow-up in the form of statements can be good, too.
As the workshop went on, I found myself becoming so interested in finding openers as a fun thing in itself that I would come up with openers and just HAVE to use them. I saw a girl in a club with white nail polish and I told her, "I like the way your nails glow under the black light." That opened really well, she was into me from the beginning.
Eavesdropping on conversations and jumping in with a relevant statement relating to the topic is good too.
Another way to create OPPORTUNITIES to open is to use what Juggler calls a "break". Both Stormwolf and I found this to be very effective. Breaks can be either verbal or physical. It is an action, physical or verbal that gets her attention but is not directed AT her.
A verbal break would be to start a conversation with someone on the OTHER SIDE of her from you and when she demonstrates attention to what is being said, involve her.
A physical break is to stand near her but look at something other than her and when you see that she perks up and looks at you, open her. It's very hard to explain all types of physical breaks without seeing it demonstrated IRL. You can get very effective with the KINDS of physical breaks you do.
Physical breaks are deadly effective opening tools. Particularly effective in the situation of two girls sitting at a table. Sometimes you have to get WAY close and actually try it a few times to actually get the break, but once you do get it and you open when it happens you are in a MUCH better position than if you had opened only by talking to them without having their attention as result of a physical break.
A simple example of an effective physical break would be those we did in our approaches of women on benches in the mall.
Imagine that you are walking forward down a hallway and there is a target ahead sitting on a bench on the left side. To do a physical break you would walk by her close enough that she notices you and you turn to the left TOWARDS HER as you sit on the other side of her. This will be very likely to get her to look at you RIGHT AWAY at which time you can go right into your opener. Although we did not field test this in the workshop, Juggler mentioned that he would sometimes just go up and introduce himself with his name as an opener. When I asked Juggler if he liked Gunwitch's idea of introducing yourself with your first and last name he agreed with Gunwitch that it would demonstrate a lot of confidence.
With static (stationary) as opposed to dynamic (moving) targets , there is not too much pressure to have to open with the first thing you say.
Sometimes you can drop statements out separated by some lull before you finally crack the nut and get her to open.
*** BODY LANGUAGE ***
It's funny that Juggler is such an expert on body language since his own posture is actually pretty bad.
Nonetheless it works well for him since the most important thing is to appear RELAXED. Perfect posture is not all that important. Besides, consciously second- guessing your posture looks bad if it comes across. Just be relaxed, when it's unconscious, it's genuine.
I never imagined there were so many body language mistakes there were in my game until Juggler saw me in action. I don't know HOW long it would have taken me to figure all this out.
I have a tendency to talk with my hands a lot. Since I am a pretty good sized dude HIGH arm movements can be intimidating. Juggler suggested that I talk with my hands all I want but to keep them at waist level and below. I did it and it seemed to work well.
On one occasion I was sarging a girl in a club with Juggler observing right behind me and I accidentally raised my left hand up high quickly and I slapped my left hand with my right while looking at Juggler and he cracked up laughing.
Hahaha!
He also noticed I had a bad habit of "hen pecking", which is when she wants to say to you something or you lean over to hear her better moving just your HEAD over to her without the rest of your body. Juggler said to close the distance whenever I have the opportunity. I did not interpret this advice correctly at first and in the same sarge as the hand-slap Juggler observed that she was really into me and liking my game but a little annoyed that I kept encroaching on her by moving myself closer to her while keeping myself square. This was another example of intimidating body language for a person my size. Instead, Juggler said that the more intimate position I should move towards is hip-to- hip. Juggler views physical closeness itself as actually more important than kino .
At one point, Juggler and Stormwolf watched me sarge a Japanese girl on a mall bench. She was into me but was a little embarrassed due to the language barrier. She spoke softly and I "hen pecked" to hear her instead of scooting my whole body towards her.
While sitting beside a woman you are sarging it's also good to be turned at an angle that is towards her rather than straight ahead.
Juggler advises to keep your body trunk still while you talk, whether or not you talk with your hands. If you do talk with your hands, make the hand movement match up with your speaking delivery and move your head towards the person who is talking whether it be your target , your wing , or someone in the group.
*** CONVERSATIONAL STRUCTURE ***
In my interpretation, the most important parts of Juggler's conversational structure are the following:
1) Generating Value by Making Statements
A statement provides value, a question asks the other person to provide value.
You want to make mostly statements. In fact, we went for a few hours of sarging and talking to people where we restrained ourselves from asking ANY questions to anyone.
Requests for information from others had to be phrased as a statement. Try doing this for a long time, it will change your perspective on the issue tremendously.
Ultimately you want the target to express herself and you will run into some situations where you do have to ask some questions to get that to happen but it's best to limit it. Juggler explains it more fully in this post... www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=6&mn=103917622022773
2) Management of Conversational Threads
Anything you talk about becomes a conversational thread. Conversational threads can spin off in different directions and give rise to new ones.
Juggler recommends to let her interrupt you. Never fight her for the floor. If you have to fight for the floor you don't deserve to have it at that point. If she is talking, that means she is expressing which is what you want her to do anyway. Also, the thread that is broken by the interruption is something you can come back to later.
It's best not to force it.
This is something you can practice all the time even when you are not sarging and it was something particularly helpful to me since Juggler mentioned the fact that I am naturally a long-threaded conversationalist as one of my SP 's. His feedback was that the things I have to say are very interesting but they come in long chunks that I tend to want to get across in their entirety and that interacting with me can be tiring because of that.
One problem with using patterns is that guys become attached to and they always want to finish them. Juggler encourages guys to give up those attachments. Being experienced in SS, I can say that I am sure there will be times in the future I will run some patterns for the hell of it if it fits the situation well but a lot of times the girls are just not trying to hear any of that stuff and you have to recognize that. Which brings me to my next point...
3) Noticing Her Reactions
Break up your stories. Give her a chance to react. Don't feel responsible for her reaction. You should never feel responsible for her reaction. There is really not many things that are really BAD reactions. In fact you should not even need a reaction at all. When you make a statement you are just expressing, she is free to react however, and you pay attention to her reaction and either lead the convo or let her express depending on what is happening.
Part of the problem with using scripts and routines is that guys are looking for some reactions they think they should get but they are not. They feel responsible for the girl's reaction. If one script doesn't give them the reaction they want, they'll run another and another. It is less like a dialogue and more like a monologue.
Some beginners who I have talked to say to me "Juggler's Method seems like it's just fluff." WRONG! Making strong statements about your observations and reactions to the world is VALUE, not fluff. The tendency to think in this way stems from a lack of experience and a belief on the part of some that anything that is not a packaged and prepared routine is fluff. Those ROUTINES are what is FLUFF!
Your observations and reactions to the world make you human and THAT is why they are value. Oh...and just so you know this, if you don't have observations of the world you trust enough to express you may want to consider the possibility you have serious self-esteem issues that are affecting your quality of life in an adverse way, but the GOOD THING...is that it's easily and quickly corrected.
Very important realization: THERE CAN BE LULLS IN CONVERSATION! It's okay. You don't have to fill it up with script, after script, after script HOPING she approves of something you run by her. You say what you say from a place of genuine deeply-held belief and you need nobody's approval for that which you choose to share or express. Lulls are fine, just make sure that what you DO say are value-stacking statements.
If you have a hard time coming up with strong statements at a particular time, think about what you like and declare "I like (whatever)...". Get her attention doing that and throw another statement down about it and watch her reaction.
4) Advancing Interactions at Conversational High-Points
Examples of Advancing Include:
- Introducing Yourself
- Closing Physical Distance
- kino
- SOI
You want to do these things at high-points of enthusiasm in the interaction such as laughter or enthusiastically agreeing on some point that was made, etc. Many guys will, for example, introduce themselves at a low point in the interaction or a lull in the conversation and that is a mistake. If you are in a lull, you need to stack some value with statements and get back up to a high point before you advance.
5) Positivity
You can talk about things that are a little bit negative but try to put a positive spin on it. Juggler caught me on this a few times. We'd be sarging and I'd mention "I live in Portland, it's really just a small town with big buildings."
"What's GOOD about that, SexPDX?", Juggler would mention noticing the negative connotation in my language.
"What's really cool about it is that you get the pleasant ambiance of a smaller town atmosphere with large amount of people and larger city type of things to do.", I would add.
6) Changing Topics
Really where you want to be is the feeling of being able to talk about ANYTHING. Instead of DEEP rapport (talking in depth on ONE thread) what you want is WIDE rapport (ability to talk about anything. You can test this by abruptly changing topics to something totally different.
I was in a situation once this weekend where the chick was on a thread that was hopelessly negative and I could not put a positive spin on it. I changed topics right from bus bombings in Israel to bears totally out of nowhere and I pulled it off.
*** LISTENING & PROVING YOU ARE LISTENING ***
To listen is not enough. You have to prove you are listening to her. A few ways to do this.
1) Listen with a blank, still look.
Don't react to what she is saying until she is done. React to what is said in the full context of the message.
Don't nod and go "Yeah, uh huh, I see" while she is talking because that comes across as blindly agreeing and also that you are not even listening.
2) Amplify Her Reactions
Whatever reaction she has to something repeat it back to her in a way that demonstrates an understanding of it. If it's a negative reaction, try to put a positive spin on it. I just typed out several examples of this and none of them are going to come across correctly in text, so I have give up.
That's a treat I guess will have to be left for the workshop.
*** AMOG SITUATIONS ***
Juggler was very good at confidently introducing himself to guys. Particularly befriending peacocking guys. However, how to handle a particular AMOG intrusion situation was he only major disagreement I had (and still have) with him all weekend.
Here is what happened...
Juggler opened who I thought was the hottest chick in the club and left me with her while he went to find Stormwolf. Whatever Juggler said to her generated a lot value quickly because I was IN when he left and he did so quickly. In clubs you have to open with strong statements. Everything in the beginning has to be nothing but VALUE, VALUE, VALUE or you will not get in and stay in.
Anyway, I talked to the HB for about ten minutes. Good interaction. I think she was mainly just happy to be talking to a genuine person somewhere she would not expect to.
After a while a guy slightly shorter than me but we built approached us and held a lime up to me. "Here he said," looking at the lime as though to suggest I take it from him. I just looked him in the eye and didn't say anything.
"You should have this," he said, "you are a limey guy."
"Come again.", I said.
At that point the HB came between us, leaned her back against me and tried to take the lime from him.
"I want the limey guy to have it," he insisted. I just smirked and looked at him while shaking my head slowly. He walked away. I talked to the HB some more and she introduced me to three of her friends so I had a 4-set going for a little bit. After a while the HB I was originally talking to left and I mentioned the lime situation to her friend who told me AMOG was her BF .
I talked to the HB for a while after the interaction with AMOG and she did NOT mention that he was her BF . I think it's because he acted like such an ass that she was embarrassed to admit it.
Juggler's take on this is that he would not have "fought" with the guy and probably would have TAKEN the lime from him. Sorry, Juggler, bad move IMO. If I had taken the lime from him he would have said, "There you go, buddy" and shoulder-blocked me out. He was testing me to see I would let him punk me out and I didn't stand for it. I would be really curious if there were a way to recreate the exact same situation with Juggler in it instead of me how it would have gone down but I have trouble seeing taking the lime from the AMOG as the right move.
*** WINGSMANSHIP ***
Juggler's position on wingsmanship matched up perfectly with what I have always done. wings have to be invited.
I slipped up once on an escalator while he was sarging a chick and I jumped in with a comment during a lull and Juggler reminded me to let him have his lulls. While sarging in groups at the club, Stormwolf and I would check up on each other and stand in the vicinity of the wing 's group making it clear that we are available to be invited IF we are wanted in the sarge at that time. If we are not invited, then we assumed it was not necessary or convenient to invite the wing at that time.
*** WORKSHOP REVIEW CONCLUSION ***
I was thinking of taking this workshop when I was much newer to seduction and I am actually happy to have held off until now. I went in with enough game to really get a lot out of it and I was able to seduce an HB in an airport immediately afterwards for a lay. I do however, know guys who went in to Juggler's workshop very new and it helped them a lot so no matter what your level it is probably helpful.
The workshop is, like seduction itself, a cooperative effort. The participants in the workshop have a lot to do with how it goes. Stormwolf and I knew each other before the workshop and each had good skills. Having a newer guy along would have made it a little different but it still would have been fun. If the group were a larger one with a diversity in levels of experience (as Juggler told me he has had in the past), I could imagine it would help a lot for some more experienced guys to help Juggler in coming up with missions and exercises for the newer guys to do. Also, Juggler himself is skilled enough to pretty much open for anybody and have them be in at least for a while, or perhaps smooth it out if needed.
The workshop rocks. Juggler is THAT good, delivers the goods, yadda, yadda, yackidy shmackidy, whatever else you want to say....Hahaha!
Seriously, this is arguably the best $300 I have ever spent in my life. My game was good before I got there but it is much more polished now.
I barely got back to Portland in time for class and walking around campus and the way girls respond to me already is just a LITTLE different.
Also....dammit, Juggler! Now I can't even go to the friggin burrito hut down the street without getting into some long drawn out conversation where people are really interested in me. Geez, what have you done to me, man?!
:-)
*** LAY REPORT ***
The problem with Juggler Method LR's I can already see I am going to have is that I have quite a bit of trouble actually remembering what was said at what time. The reason for this is that it's a dialogue and not a monologue. The chronological order of events becomes muddied in your memory when working to recall an interaction where you were you had wide rapport and were in a state of free-flow expression.
Nonetheless, I will do my best.
Juggler and I drove from Vancouver to Seattle where he would catch a flight home at 11:30 pm. On the way down we talked to our mutual friend, PiQL about the workshop and we talked with Wham while waiting to go through the border. Having some time to kill in Seattle, we met up with my friend, Opus briefly. I drove Juggler to the airport at about 8:30. I still had a hour drive ahead of me and I was visibly exhausted from the intensity of the weekend.
I decided to chill with Juggler for a while inside before starting the drive down. While Juggler was at the ticket counter I was walking back and forth by people in a complete tired daze but still doing physical breaks, opening people, etc. It was like I was running on pure muscle memory after a weekend of non-stop sarging .
Juggler and I sat down at the coffee shop and talked for a while before I decided to go outside to smoke a cigarette. I invited Juggler to come with me but he declined.
Standing outside Sea-Tac Airport on the curb of the baggage claim pull-in area I saw HB SeaTac. The thing is, I didn't even approach her because she was hot. She only looked like a 7 at first in her scarf and long coat but she was a 9 when her clothes came off later! I approached her because I am now in the habit of looking for openings rather than targets and I saw an opportunity for a cool opener.
"I like the way you wear your scarf, vertically around the head like that....My friend Juggler was in France recently and he told me that's they way the wear it there....are you from France?"
We talked about travel and our experiences on our respective trips. She lived in Seattle, just got back from the East Coast and had a friend who was supposed to pick her up who she was having problems getting a hold of. At one point I mentioned that I would think it would be cool to train sales people, not because I like the WORK of sales but because I found the interpersonal interactions aspect of it fascinating.
"You would be really good at that! Look how easily you can just walk up and talk to strangers like me.", she said.
"REALLY? You think so? Thanks a lot?"
I find it works well to respond really enthusiastically to her sincere compliments. When you compliment someone you kind of put yourself out there. I personally like it when *MY* compliments are well-received and I know it. Let her know she is making you feel good. It's almost like you are going DDB on HER. At a high point in the interaction (laughter, I think) I SOI 'd her with "I like you". She started asking me a lot of questions about how often I come to Seattle, etc. It was pretty clear she was into me. On top of that, knowing that she was in need of a ride home, a !close seemed like a very likely outcome here. I went to go find Juggler and tell him what was going on, but #closed her before I left in case her friend came by and scooped her up while I was inside.
Upon finding Juggler, I gave him a run-down on the situation and he agreed that she was into me. Juggler came down, and met her and talked very briefly before bidding me goodbye to go catch his plane.
She went back to talking about her friend who she hadn't gotten a hold of in 2 hours.
"You must feel so stranded," I said as I closed distance hip to hip and started kino , "but the good thing is that these situations get taken care of you can feel comfortable knowing that it doesn't last and that it will be okay."
"So are you going to be my savior?"
"To tell you the truth I am very hard-pressed ever to play the role of a knight in shinning armor but I will give it a shot this time."
On the way there she asked how Juggler and I knew each other and I told her the story Juggler and I had been using the whole workshop which was Juggler's dad used to date my mom.
I was so tired that it took me a really long time to remember where I parked my truck. On the way out of the parking garage she kept saying she didn't know what she would have done if it weren't for me. To which I responded C&Fishly, "I hear that a lot, what would everyone do without SexPDX?"
She expressed concerns for my safety in driving back to Portland which I was GENUINELY concerned about myself. I was making up my own lanes on I-5 on the way to her house! She offered to let me sleep over at her place. I was quick to set up a sort of poetic saving each other frame to by saying...
"Looks like you are saving me now."
"We are saving each other."
A few minutes after that I skipped the Delbert McClinton CD ahead to that song that goes...
He keeps sending me angels
Here they come a flyin'
He keeps sending me angels
To keep me from cryin'
He keeps sending me angels
Sweet and true
He keeps sending me angels
Just like...you
This whole "saviors of one another" frame complimented our matching state of being tired from travel quite well.
We talked about just about everything on the way back. Family, spirituality, past relationships, favorite movies, dogs, etc.
BTW, Juggler, I didn't actually ASK about her relationship situation but she brought it up for me which helped.
Everything was going really well except for the fact that she was nervous because the person who was supposed to give her a ride who she had not heard from also had her kids. (She has a 6 YO and a 3 YO).
When we got back to her place she put on some tea for me and started setting up the futon but I could tell she was nervous still. It was hard to tell if I was going to be able to get her to relaxed to be sexual.
She went to take a shower and while she was in there I called Stormwolf and got Juggler's cell phone number. I had hoped to catch Juggler while she was in the shower and get some quick advice but he had evidently turned it off.
When she came out of the shower I saw just how hot her body was (which had been obscured by a long coat and otherwise thick layered clothing before. Yummy!!! All the sudden we hear a knock on the door and it's her friend dropping her kids off. Turns out her phone had some problems or something so she didn't get HB SeaTac's message.
Anyway, everyone was happy to know each other was okay and the kids and HB SeaTac were happy to see each other.
The friend chatted with us briefly and left.
It was strange because normally the kids being home isn't considered a GOOD thing as far as !closing goes but here it definitely was!
I got in really good with her kids. They loved me. That never hurts.
At one point she pulled out some photos to look at and sat down next to me and after several sarges where I was corrected on it, I am completely broken of the hen pecking habit, I moved right in hip-to-hip.
Later on she went to put the kids to bed and that she would come out and talk to me.
She didn't come out after a few minutes so I assumed she fell asleep. At that time I was too tired to give a rip.
However, I woke up at 6:am Monday morning and just reveled in the satisfaction of having had my first night of sleep that wasn't on a floor and lasted for more than 4 hours in days. HB SeaTac comes out and gets under the covers with me and we have sex.
During pillow-talk/afterplay I said...
"I have something to tell you. I have been truthful with you about everything so far...except for one thing. Juggler actually does have another job I didn't tell you about. He teaches seduction."
I proceeded to tell her about the workshop, ASF , why I got into all this, the whole nine yards. She found it interesting and was blown away by my honesty. But said, "You didn't seduce me, I seduced you."
"You are right," I said, "You did. That was the idea."
I stopped by the local tavern to have a libation while waiting for traffic to calm down. This was "Lobster Bisque" night and that sounded fine to me. As I was finishing the last spoonful of the bisque... sopping up the last drops with the awesome bread... this cute older blonde sat down next to me. She reminded me of the "Hot Lips Houlihan" actor from M*A*S*H. Somewhat older but she is still young and with an awesome set of double D's and baby got back (she brought out the Sir Mix A Lot in me). So, I started out as she perused the bar menu...
Anyway, the conversation continued with the same cat and mouse... thrust and parry... and it became clear it was time to either make my move or forever hold my piece. So... I give her an intense, "I want to rip your clothes off and take you right here on the bar" look, which she returns in kind... but then she says (an obvious shite test):
So now, I'm wondering... next move.
Since she did tell me where she works I am thinking of calling... wondering if I should go strait for arousal... punani... or if a different approach would be in order.
Ideas?
About a month ago (which is about 5 months after getting the number), I notice this cell number. Since the choice is to toss it or try it, I call it. Anyway, I speak with the one who I wasn't interested in and have a good conversation, during which she tells me where the other one works. I dropped in there and found her. At first she was a bit hesitant, but when I told her where I met her and about her friend, she started talking. A lot. She talked for about 45 minutes until her break. I notice no bs in our conversation, very straight forward and down to earth which was a little unexpected given her hotness level. As she's leaving she tells me to call her friend and get her number from her. I ask if she has email and she gives me an email address.
I send an email and get no response. A week or two later, I decide to drop in to the bar that the other one works at. The target girl told me she hadn't spoken to the other one for a few months as the other one needed a break due to some personal issues (I gathered they had some fight). But she had told me that they had been close friends for 10 years and that she missed her and that I should tell her to call her. So I have a reason to go to the bar, to do a good deed.
I arrive, and she immediately recognizes me and is very nice to me. It turns out that they had spoken, and, by total coincidence, the target girl was coming over that night to see her. Anyway, when she arrives, I go and talk with her. Again, she does most of the talking, giving me great eye contact and a warm smile (she mentions that she hadn't opened her email in a long time and hadn't seen what I sent her). I decide not to overstay my unplanned welcome and tell her I have to leave after somewhere between a half hour and 45 minutes. She asks if I really have to go and I say yes, and leave. But this time she gives me her cell number and tells me that she's working for the next 10 days and to call her after and we'll get together.
Anyway, after 8 days I call her and she tells me about this disaster with her home (she owns her own home and she's working long hours to pay it off faster) where it has to be torn down and rebuilt and no one wants to take responsibility so she's going to get a lawyer. So she's really not in a great mood and the conversation reflected that. Before she told me all this, I told her something which was a bit more personal in tone than anything we had up until then actually said to each other - I said that I had been thinking about her. That I was thinking about the way she looked at me when she talked to me, and the way she smiled at me. I thought I heard her thank me for these comments but I have been wondering if my timing was bad.
She made some reference to having my number and said something to the effect that she'll call me when things straighten out. Anyway I call her up a couple days later and she lets the cell phone ring, sees the number on the caller id and disconnects. This happens twice and I haven't called back.
Of course I haven't heard from her (it's been two weeks now) so I was thinking of sending this email. Not sure it's a good idea, but I thought I would run it by you:
Hi,
It's a funny thing about cell phones. If you call when they are shut off, you get a recorded message instantly without hearing any ringing. So if it rings, you know that it is actually on.
I know this because the first time I called your cell phone, it was off and I got a recorded message right away. The next time I called (from my home phone, which is unlisted so it appears as "blocked number" on your caller I.D.), it rang for awhile and then went dead. So I figured that you are screening your calls and hanging up on the ones you don't take, and I realized that you are not accepting calls from blocked numbers.
The next time I called you, I used my cell phone so that you would see a number appear and you answered. I was sorry to hear that you are having problems with your house and this has obviously not been a good time for you.
I thought about that and wanted to speak to you again so I called you back on my cell phone a couple of days later. As you know, you let that ring, then disconnected. I called back, and the same thing happened - so now I understand that my cell phone number is on your list of calls that you aren't taking.
We don't know each other very well but I am not the kind of man that makes calls that are unwelcome - so you won't have to be watching your phone for my calls as I won't be calling you again.
If you give some thought to the few moments we did spend together and want to call me when your life gets back to normal, I would welcome your call. I personally did enjoy those moments.
If I don't hear from you, good luck and wish my best to (your friend),
Doc: Funny thing about girls: one of the reasons we can't figure out what they want is because they can't figure out what they want. So here is this chick who meets an interesting, warm, guy: maybe even a "nice" guy who helped her patch things up with her friend. So a part of her is saying "Here is a nice guy that I could really like", and the other part is saying "I don't know what to do in this situation, I'm not attracted to nice guys even though I know I should be."
She's hot, so the usual paradigm she lives in is "Guys chase me." That's her reality. She is not in control with a guy who walks out on her - she may have never even experienced this before. You may even have hurt her feelings because she felt rejected. So she has to get you chasing her again, to prove to herself that she can, and she succeeds. So now you're playing her game again.
The e-mail draft is accusatory and will make her defensive. She will think "This guy is a jerk, who does he think he is, I choose who I talk to blah blah". But that is her rationalization. She created this reality. You were a nice guy before she misbehaved but now she has to rationalize to herself that you were a jerk all along and that she did the right thing to flush you from her life. Do not play into this little drama she is creating. All these feelings she is creating in you are her way of taking back control. She is making you behave in a way that is congruent with her reality not yours. Don't do it.
What carrot can you dangle in front of her? What do you offer that she wants??
How can you take control of this situation again?
What if you fuck her friend? It's powerful punishment. What if you tell her you have a great friend that she should meet? She's not really your type but you thought she would make a good friend. And to show her you are sincere, you are willing to introduce her to your friends because she doesn't really qualify for you.
How can you be different? Right now you are totally in her paradigm and are not even registering on her radar. She will brush off this e-mail because its totally expected. She hurt you and now you want to hurt her back by scolding her.
Chew on it. It's much clearer with a little distance.
Roll up on her, make funny faces, smile and hit her, and wrap your arm around her .. "you are CUTE.. I think that you'll make a NICE new GIRLFRIEND.. hahaha, hey WAIT.. I need a girl who can cook.. you can't?? OK, we're broken up.. actually wait, you DO smell good.. very alluring.. actually WAIT!! Do you eat SOAP??? Oh man, we are BROKEN UP.. no no, definitely broken up.. you are BAD.. hahaha, for sure!!.. are you adventurous?? cause I can't even hang with you unless you're adventurous.. mmm,. that does sound adventurous.. alright we can hang, but I can't take you to my COOL places because you might just be PG-13 adventurous, not R-rated adventurous.. really, you did X-ACTIVITY?? hmm.. OK maybe you're cool.. oh man, imagine if we ran away and did X-ADVENTURE (make up a 1-2 minute Bonnie & Clyde type adventure) together.. and we could STEAL this X-STUFF (whatever is in front of you) and SELL IT.. No?? OK I'm taking THIS then! (grab HER shit, and she'll WRESTLE you for it).. haha, OK fine, I won't do that.. I h
ave a better plan.. I need a RICH girl.. are YOU?? no?? do you have cable though?? SWEET, I can watch daytime SOAPS.. NICE!! OOOOOH MAN, we are getting MARRIED RIGHT NOW.. Will you MARRY ME??? OMG I am SO SERIOUS, we'll get married RIGHT NOW.. (then have a person in the room pretend to MARRY the two of you, and you exchange items together like rings or something, and kiss AT LEAST on the cheek)... OK AWESOME, now that we're married I can DIVORCE you and live in your house and watch DAYTIME TV..
What this does is ENGAGES her sexually, and then DISENGAGES her sexually, over and over and over. It's not like if you say "you're my new girlfriend.. let's make plans to go out.. let's make plans to be together.. let's be together", which would be PULL, PULL, PULL, PULL. She would RESIST that strategy 9 times out of 10. By doing PUSH PULL, her limbic brain is ENGAGED, but then DISENGAGED before she has a chance to RESIST. The result will be like a FISH, who you reel in, let fight and let out slack, reel in more, let fight more, reel in more, etc., etc., etc., etc..
Some basic strategies, on how to RE-ASSERT the hook-up/non-date frame: WHEN YOU SEE HER, INITIATE PLAYFUL kino IMMEDIATELY:
-run up and spin-hug her (credit no9)
-roll up, take her right hand with your right hand, her left hand with your left hand (so your hands are x-crossed), and TWIRL her around
-roll up, and shake hands, but pull your hand UP and TWIST your wrist, so she has to spin (credit Craig)
-sneak up, and tap her wrong shoulder so she looks around for you.. then sort of bump her when she sees you
-steal something from her and make her wrestle you for it
-flick something at her so she attacks you
-mercy fight
TRY TO TAKE HER TO AN EXCITING PLACE, THAT IS COST FREE.. NOT EVEN ONE CENT:
-find a strip with sexy/outrageous clothes, and try them on and tease each other and play-wrestle
-meet her at a park, where you can play frisbee or rollerblade or ice skate, and you can tackle her
-teach her one basic-simplistic mentalism illusion, go around FOOLING people with it
-have a funny adventure together.. go around asking where you can find a cheap hotel as a joke (credit Dreamweaver I never actually tried this yet, but think it would be good for chicks with a CERTAIN type of outgoing personality)
NEVER LET THE DATE GO " LJBF "-FEEL. IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE CHARGED IN SOME WAY. MINIMIZE QUIET-TIME:
-try to avoid long drives before you've had sex, unless you're good at macking while driving
-try to have her meet you somewhere, where you can start gaming her IMMEDIATELY
-if you're just meeting her at a club, and she agrees to go home with you, don't let her get away from you or disengage her emotional states.. She will go back to her friends, be dissuaded, and flake.
-if you pick her up at her house, attempt the "NEWSPAPER INK CLOSE", explained later in this post.
-the SECOND you see the interaction going QUIET or STALLING, tickle her, steal something, do ANYTHING to keep it charged at ALL COSTS. Stick your tongue out at her, -whatever-.. do SOMETHING
-a GREAT strategy for when you STALL, is to use the "awkward pause" as a time to PHASE SHIFT. Just look DEEP into her eyes. She'll say "what... whaaaaaat..", and you just look at her al confident and knowingly, then either project sexual state Gunwitch style, or run a phase shift ROUTINE.
-as an absolute LAST RESORT, have some gimmicks prepared. AVOID THIS, but if its massively stalling, it can provide FODDER to neg her and tease her with, when she discloses certain things about herself throughout the course of the exercise.
-**do things that CONFUSE her, such as saying she can't have you, and kissing her. Saying she's a "DORK" or "DWEEB", and tickling her.
USE FRACTIONATION TECHNIQUES:
-when you drop a mega-bomb pattern on her, step back and let the experience SOAK IN.. don't push her over the edge and make yourself come across INGENUINE
-constantly go BACK and FORTH. be a STATE MANIPULATION MASTER.. a fucking PUPPET MASTER.. push her through states like a fucking PRO.. OBSERVE when she's at a boiling point, and do SOMETHING ELSE.. go back and forth, back and forth.. keep her on her toes.. don't be predictable and run a 2 hour patterning session, or 2 hours of C&F.. don't let yourself into a RUT of fluff talk.. go back and forth, left and right, up and down.. have STRATEGIES on how to do that..
-if absolutely necessary use stuff, like CPowles shit about "all my relationships start passionately" to REFRAME the traditional-dating mentality. Make it clear that you want things "NATURAL", and that you don't appreciate "society dictating your actions, and that you go in with NO AGENDA, and just let whatever happens happen.. does SHE have an agenda??? :)" Follow this with tickling and such, to keep her IN STATE. Still, this is to be avoided, since it is PREFERABLE just to seem MYSTERIOUS and that you don't JUSTIFY yourself. It's actually better to just have a knowing look, and NOT REACT to her bullshit. Still, this doesn't always work, so fall back on these strategies.
You should always be doing SOMETHING to bring yourself closer to your goal. Teasing, touching, subtly demonstrating your excellence, connecting deeply in rapport, projecting a sexual state, leading, playing hard to get, confusing, playfighting, conspiring together, stimulating, pausing awkwardly to show your absolute comfort in your own reality, having fun, etc., etc., etc.. SOMETHING that is moving you to the goal. Eventually, when you're GOOD, you'll do these things NATURALLY, without much thought. I'm PART WAY there, so I still have to do them CONSCIOUSLY oftentimes. But a lot of them I just do NATURALLY now.
behaviour strictly on its own.
Maximillian Hell: But isn't kino essential? Doesn't Alphahot say " kino early and often?" It seems an important part of Gunwitch's style, for instance, and in the style of virtually everyone else.
I think you may be right about smiling. My PUA mentor suggests that what might be hurting my game the most is that I seem too eager. I am puzzled by this and could only conclude that while I am overall pretty cool acting, I tend to smile too much. I tend to smile a lot in all circumstances with lots of people.
I find it hard to suppress my enthusiasm for a woman, even though it may be hurting my game, that is why I am interested in Gunwitch's supersexual aggressive game, although it is not particularly practical right now (I have to spend almost all my time on campus these days--don't shit where you eat). In opposition to David, who says you should jack off before PUing, so that you will not seem too eager, Gunwitch says to avoid jacking off, so that you will give off an even more aggressive sexual vibe. Upon my very hurried perusal of his article on fastseduction, I have the tendency to think that he is mostly doing a form of the numbers game these days, not that there is anything wrong with that.
Next, she starts giving my bi girl a lap dance-- and the next thing I know, the two girls are making out. They want to do a threesome but I am not down for two reasons: One is that I sense the dom could cause problems; and two, is that Rick told me that it is dangerous to do a threesome with girls you have not already fucked solo. Rick told me that this is a good way to get excluded from the threesome. When I get home, there are messages from her saying that her and her bi dom fem friend want to come over. But I do not call her back. I need to fuck her solo first.
Christos: What happened to all the adventurousness and spontaneity that you constantly screen for? Does it not count for you? Don't you practice what you preach?
> Swinggcat: Next, we decide to go to the Standard Lounge (this is a very trendy, difficult to get into Hollywood lounge). Surprisingly, they let us right in. So we walk inside and it is fucking unbelievable: Hef is there with all his girlfriends and there are more 10s per square inch than any club or lounge I have been to in a long time.
Christos: Sounds a bit like shooting fish in a barrel really. I reckon that any enthusiastic newbie could do well in a situation like this.
> Swinggcat: Some friends of mine invite me to go to Las Palmasa trendy LA nightclub. I decide to meet them at the club. I show up to the club solo. Since I am there after ten, the line to get in is horrendous. And to make matters worse, they are only letting girls in.
Christos: Fuck!?! Why can't I find clubs like this? Over here the national male to female ratio is already 117 to 100, (try doing the math on a population of more than a billion!) and all the clubs and bars are way above this.
> Swinggcat: At this point she starts kissing me passionately. It was getting late, and I hadn't seen Caliboy, Morpheus, or Rick (and his driver) in hours. So, I said, "Wait here" and I left her to go find the boys (huge mistake). I come back a half hour later and she is gone, so, I leave the club.
Christos: Why should we take any of the earlier advice seriously when Swinggcat goes and does stupid stuff like this? > Swingccat: Boys, this is how the game is really played.
Christos: Well it might be if you go clubbing on Sunset Strip and have your own jacuzzi but things are actually quite different in the real world. Here is something that might be a bit more useful if you don't happen to go clubbing in Hollywood.
I have always been a big one for toys, anything from novelty lighters to practical joke type gags. Anything that lightens up the atmosphere and attracts plenty of attention always helps in pick up situations. Recently, I got a digital camera and it has to be the best pick-up toy ever. Once you start taking pictures, even a simple night out becomes a major celebration. Grab a couple of HBs , have the bartender do his flashiest Lamborghini and immediately you are the center of attention, a perfect launchpad for any Mystery type routine that you fancy.
I chose a Panasonic, partly because I like the non-geeky design and partly because I got a free life-size Ayumi Hamasaki as part of the deal, but since then I have seen an even better model in the hands of a fellow PUA . Not sure what brand but it has a reversible lens so that you can take pictures of yourself, and your target (s) while still being able to see the image screen. If you can get a couple of girls to kiss each other in a club then just wait until you see what they will do when there is a camera around. Expect flashing and lap dancing just for starters. Please post here the details of whatever depravities you can persuade random females to perform for the camera.
Jeff: Chatting with HB and Wicca question
I've been meaning to buy a pentagram because I heard it wards off evil spirits. Yesterday, I went out looking for this store that sells them but couldn't find it (I only knew the cross streets). Well my luck has been going so bad lately, especially with women, (I can't even get laid when the girl wants to fuck me) that I drew a pentagram on my chest when I was not able to buy one. So I come to school to use the computer expecting good things to happen. Well for the first time in five years I kind of get caught downloading porn on the computers here. I was watching milfhunter.com and one of the lab workers comes up to me and says "what ever your doing turn it down because we can hear it at the desk." I couldn't believe this because I was of course wearing headphones and the desk is like 30 ft away. And then later this crazy chick who I almost went out with comes in. This is the chick who wanted to fuck but I chose not to when she started acting nuts. So those are some bad stuff that happened while I had the pe
ntagram on me but then something pretty cool happened. I was in a chat room and this girl asked the room if any guys wanted to chat. I IMd her even though she didn't have a pic. This is the chat......
. Once an HB 's brother did this to me and last night some guy who came in with a girl (maybe they were dating} "gave me the back". I noticed that when other guys spoke with her that this dude did not resort to this beahvior.
I also let a guy smother a woman I really liked with kino this summer, and he eventually got the girl at my expense. Me and this guy (very much a wolf in sheep's clothing) are on the same sports team, so next time I have to deal with him even though I resent him. This one really hurt because the HB was showing me IOI's. Another time I was talking to an HB and a guy who she was friends with started patting her on the ass which disrupted me getting in my opener. This is happening with frequency whenever I get IOI's, and it's starting to upset me and get me pissed off. Part of it though, is that with me paying more attention to people' subtle reactions I am noticing these little things to block me from conversing with women
I am an engaging talker (patterns, stories help) and when women show a look of interest on there faces, the male cb's come out of the woodwork. Also, I am good looking so that immediately puts guys on alert. I notice that if I just ignore the guys they just seem to respond with more rudeness.
I have tried befriending the male, but it hasn't worked. As a recent example, I was talking to a female who I wasn't even interested in. Before speaking to her, I had talked to her husband for a while, and he seemed cool. I spoke to her and the husband became a jerk after awhile. I firmly confronted him, but I think everyone around me could sense my inner state of anger. I know Gamemaster probably doesn't mind confronting people, but I had this lingering anger for a few days which screws up your state.
I have a right to talk to whomever I please. I won't be talking to married women anymore, but the problem is now I am getting gun shy about approaching anytime I see a dude around and in a way it seems to be affecting my overall esteem.. I thought about just politely calling guys on their behavior, but I don't know. You would think women would find this possessiveness annoying, but it's almost like they want to be controlled. Anyone who has any thought on this, let me know... I am sick of being brushed aside.
from the get go. He sarged every chick that was within range of him throughout the entire date. His date playfully bitched about it, but it was obvious that she loved it. The chick's assessment after the date (there was kissing) was that she wanted to go out with him again so she could find out if she liked him or hated him. Trust me...she liked him.
Interesting...leave the chick baffled and confused and she NEEDS to come back for more. Amazing.
The other 3 dates were interesting too. Only one other guy used some of "the stuff" (some mild sexual references) "what turns you on" "I like receiving and inflicting some pain during sex...", but nothing special otherwise...he smiled a lot, and exuded confidence, and talked a hell of a lot about himself. He got a number close and IOI for a second date. I should also mention that he burped a lot in public and bragged about it, and had really big goofy looking teeth. Confidence, the right attitude, and an outcome orientation sure go a long way. The third guy went out with a swimsuit model who had game and attitude and he wussed on her. He had big muscles, washboard abs and perfect hair, teeth, clothes, and good manners. In the pre-interview he said that he was basically waiting for the right girl to come along and whined about why couldn't a chick do the work for once and ask him out and pursue him. If he spent 10% of his gym time learning about what works,and what definitely doesn't, maybe he'd have a clue. T
hey even got naked together in the sauna after taking a hot tub together. Guess what.... she basically called him a pretty boy to his face, and he did nothing to prove her wrong. he wussed......he pretended that he was not interested in her....no close....
The last guy was destroyed by his date. He also had nice clothes, a good body, a good job, money and manners. In his pre-interview, he explained that he had a dark brooding side in addition to his "bad boy" side (yeah, right), and he whined that he hates playing games.
"Hates playing games"...just what species did he think he was going out on a date with? A carp? I call him "Borezilla". He played out the poor me loner type moody serious dude.... she crushed him like a bug....fun stuff. she admitted after the date that she deliberately tried to push his buttons because he was a bore.
It was interesting that 3 of the 4 chicks were blatantly sexual and 2 of the guys were total wusses. The sex was there waiting for them only to be taken away.
What I saw with my own eyes.... absolute physical PROOF that looks, manners, clothes, money, straight teeth, and a respectable" job, don't count for much without a confident, outgoing playful/fun attitude. Add some techniques to the mix and you're sure to be a successful PUA .
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