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Justin:
Night of Pointless Wonder (cross-posted from SBB)
the_jacas calls me up Friday. I don't have to work, mostly because my chin is fucked up from the last weekend's drinking activities. I had finally learned what it meant to be "falling-down drunk." He tells me I sound like a WBAFC from the muttering that was coming out of my mouth. Finally, we agree to go to the mall. I've never really
done mall sarging. I hated the fact that I had a bandage across my chin and that I was gradually going to have to grow it back. We met up at my crib, then we hit up the mall.
We get there, and there are hardly any women in there. I swear to God. I saw a couple hotties, but as soon as I let the_jacas know about them, they had disappeared into a store. Later, I see a shop on the way down the escalator. It's a peacock shop! We went in and there were weird hats and boas everywhere. I'm totally never buying a boa. We go in and start bs'n with the clerk. She's somewhat of an UG with better clothing. the_jacas was telling her about my accident, I told her I got into a tricycling accident and that I'm an Olympic Gold Medalist. She had closed body language, where she had her arms crossed. I asked, "Are you cold?" She said no, and quickly became self-conscious of her body language. the_jacas busted on her for it about her not listening to us. I go into something about her ignoring us because she can't wait to get off work. We're wandering around the small shop picking up things, and she's like, "What are you guys DOING?" It was more like what the fuck are you guys plotting. I say I need to
find a top hat. She shows me and it's not a top hat. This was over, and so we headed out to go get some bandages.
We went to K-Mart, fucked around with a zillion bandages so that I could find some that would be smaller. We're busting out some stupid ass shit and it helps us get into the talkative state. We're then at the condom section talking about off-the-wall shit. It's time to leave.
We go to my crib, take shits, and get ready to go out. We get to Bogart's. My friend is working there, so I of course get drinks from him since top shelf stuff seems to be so cheap and plentiful when he's the bartender. My tab was .25 for two Sapphire & Tonics, and a Rum & Coke. I gave him .75 as a tip. We leave and go to Stool Pigeon's.
We're in line, and the beer girl is trying to get my attention once we're nearing the front of the line. I tell her to meet me halfway. There are racks in her way, and it's obvious she can't get over to me. She asks what I want, I get us beers. We're drinking before we're out of the line. Awesome! This bouncer was a complete cock, only because he had a title. Hmph.
I'm pacing the place, and the_jacas is on my ass about me approaching. I couldn't do it. We bounce. We go to The Office. On
the way when walking to The Office, a bum approaches us. I had earlier been reviewing my notes I took during one of my classes, but they weren't school notes. They were possible responses to several classic shit-tests. I wanted to be prepared for them and try some new responses. Anyways, the bum comes up to us and follows us as we're walking downtown. He's already asking for money and I bust out this random response, "Where'd you get that one, Cosmo or Seventeen"? He looks baffled. I was trying out my material on bums. We're walking to The Office shooting the shit with the bum. I tell him his jacket is awesome. I asked him where he got it. He's asking us for money again so he can get something to eat. I tell him, "Dude, you sound like you have a good education. I know you could find a job." He tells me he can or can't, I can't remember. I tell him he could be a dishwasher. He says something like he can't find one of those jobs. I tell him that's complete bullshit, because the Mexicans are always in those jobs
and the turnover rate is really high for dish washing positions. I get into something about how Mexicans can't come in to the United States and enjoy social benefits at the taxpayer's expense. He said, "Oh man, don't get me started." He asks for money again, and I tell him he could try selling drugs. He could totally ball then. He disagrees and we start talking to the bouncers. They let us in for free, and the bum is shouting how we need to come back and help him out. We're in the club and it sucks. Nobody is there and it is almost midnight. I ask a bartender why it's so dead and he tells me nobody in Raleigh goes out on Fridays. What? We leave and right before, we start asking the bouncers about where to go, and where Retail is. They give us maps of all the clubs and bars in the downtown area. Awesome! We leave and go to Aura. I say what's up to Pete the bouncer. I decide to upgrade the membership I hadn't received yet, even though I paid for it a month ago. I upgrade to VIP. IShe doesn't turn her phone on a
.ems t sucks though, because I can only get in free for myself and ahead of the lines. It was . It's a for a membership to get another person in free. The Office's VIP is , and you can get all of what you can get as a VIP at Aura, except you can bring in three guests and you get to hang out
in the cool VIP area. Well, that problem was solved later on in the night. We'll talk about that soon.
We go in and hit up the smoking area. We go to the corner and we start shooting the shit. I am standing with my back towards the group behind us. I look at the fatter girl, but she seemed to have a better than average face and a huge set of t*ts. I look over my shoulder and tell her she's trouble. She drops her jaw, then her friends are all looking at each other. It must have been a 4 or 5 set. She says she's not trouble. I tell her she looks like a total bad girl and that she just got out of jail. They're all girl-coding each other and laughing. the_jacas says something, then the girl asks me why I think she's trouble. I tell her she's a bad girl and she says she's a good girl. I ask her, "How are you a good girl?"
She's stuck, she looks at her friends, and they're all looking at each other trying to figure out an answer. Weird. Thanks
Conversationally Speaking! I turn my head back to its normal position (I hadn't even moved my feet towards them at all; I was facing the other direction the entire time). I look at the two girls in front of me that are sitting down.
the_jacas had left me. I look at one of them and say at a normal tone something about her shoes. I think I asked her if she goes to Meredith College. That's been a great opener for me in the past few months for some reason. It's like these Meredith girls will all wear these really pointy witch shoes that have heels. There are really LOOOONG toes on these shoes. It's weird. It's a trend, kind of like that stupid Von Dutch trend going on around due to Paris or Brittany wearing those stupid hats. I've even asked girls about those hats when they have them on, and they'll tell me they think the hat is
cute. BS. So I'm trying to open this girl and she keeps asking me, "What?" I stay with my same opener four times in a row, not moving towards her at all or going over to sit by her. I could tell there was something like that on her mind, like trying to get me to come over there while she did nothing at all. All I do is raise my voice and try to break sound waves with its tonality. I could hear her perfectly. She says again that she couldn't hear me. She looks at her girl, then tells her while rolling her eyes, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" She grabs her and they start making out. I start ignoring this and start looking towards the club area outside of the door of the smoking area. I am in my own world at this point, then I look over
where the girls are again and it looks like it was just a tactic to get me to go over and supplicate or fawn over them because they made out. Please. It was like a stripper mentality. I went off the deck inside the smoking area and shot the shit with this tall-assed, huge black guy bouncer. I say, "Dude, I would totally dunk on your ass!" He's laughing his ass off and jumping up and down. I'm playfully punching him in the chest. He is laughing hard. I tell him, "I would totally run shop on your ass on the court." He said, "I think you hit your chin pretty damned hard to think that. You must be crazy."
I'm telling him that I'm a karate champion and that I could totally be a bouncer in that place. I'm talking about karate chopping people in the balls. Don't ask where that came from. I leave him and go in the club area.
I go and talk up the bartenders. I'm beginning to become remembered by the bartenders now. I'd totally sex them. They even remember my drinks. Awesome! There is this dude beside me, I tell him he looks like he's either from NY or NJ. He laughs and tells me he's originally from NY. He said, "How would you know that?" I say, "People from those states have a certain facial structure." I say, "I bet you're Italian too." He concurs. He tells me his last name and it's Italian. I tell him Italians have a certain facial structure too. He asks my name and I tell him. I ask him what the scene is like when trying to pick chicks up in NY in the bars and clubs. He tells me it's pretty damn easy. I get my drinks, then I see a dude get grabbed by a random girl and he does nothing. She kept walking, and I say, "Dude, what are you doing? That girl was
totally into you. You're probably the most pea c*cked guy in this club. Why aren't you macking?" He goes into some shit, we shoot the shit, then I move on. I go back to the smoking area.
Man, I was beginning to realize that having a bandage on my chin that looked like an X for marking the spot where treasure is buried had no bearing on talking to people. I was completely making that excuse when it did not need to be there. I guess the same could be said about ugly guys, but I wouldn't know what it's like to be ugly. Haha! Eat my slime.
I go and smoke a cig by myself. I see a two set. I finish my cig and go up to them and grab the pack of cigarettes of one of the girls, but I just lead it up so that I'm looking at it and she's still holding onto it. She says, "Hey!" I look at the other girl and tell them I want to trade cigs. They ask what I'm smoking and I pull out my Marlboros. They cringe and say yuck and such. They both tell me I can just have one rather than trading. I look at both packs of their cigs, then say a yuck at the menthols and grab a Marlboro Light. We start chatting for about 15 seconds, then this girl comes out of
nowhere. She comes into the set, then asks the girls, "What is he doing?" They tell her I'm trading cigs. She looks at me, then gives me a brief lecture about how she thinks it's rude that I come and bum cigs from her friends when I have cigs of my own. I am totally unaffected by this. It's like I'm totally in control of my emotions. She asks, "Why are you bumming cigarettes from my friends when you have your own? Smoke your own." I look at her, then pause, then say, "Are you a player?" She pouts, her friends laugh hysterically. She goes in with the same question from earlier. I say, "Drama Queen." Her friend to the right tells me that she's not a drama queen. Her friend to the left of me says, "So what happened to your
chin?" I couldn't think of my pre-planned stories that were completely made-up. All I could muster up was, "Guess." She asks what happened again. I say again, "Guess." Her friend buts in again, and says, "Why are you bumming cigarettes from my friends when you have your own?" I think for a second, but I can't muster anything but logic to answer this shit-test since I couldn't pass with the "Are you a player?" response. I say, "I wanted a lighter cigarette." I failed. I was blown out. The girl looks at me condescendingly, then looks at her girls and says, "Let's go girls." She then drags them both over to another side of the room. I roll my eyes in a more enthusiastic fashion than SBB's "roll" emoticon. The blonde who asked about my chin saw this as she was being dragged off, and laughed hysterically. Here we go again. The icing that topped off this rejection was me rolling up to the girl that dragged them away a little later in the night. I saw her smoking a cig and said something about it. She said, "DON'T T
ALK TO ME!" She then did a backturn. Sweet! I have no clue why I walked up to get rejected again by her, but it sure was fun!
I go back into the club area after I finish my cig on against the railing. I go and see the NY guy again, chat, then get another drink. I get two Budweisers and begin double-fisting. I go and stand in a crowded area near the bar near the bathrooms. Girls are all in this area. I just plant myself. A girl starts shaking her ass to the music while I'm standing away from her facing the dance area. I just look in the dance area, drink my drinks, and grind my ass against hers as she does it on me. I haven't even paid attention to her or her group. When she stops, I stop. I still have my back faced
towards her. I had no idea what she looked like. The ass playing stops, then I see a girl trying to weasel her way around my viewing area. I knew it was her, and I turn my body away from her at 90 degree angles every time she tries getting a closer look. She goes back to where she was and I turn to face the dance area again. She goes and does the same scoping me again. I turn again and look towards the bar. I hear a "GOD!" from somewhere. I think I pissed her off. Oh well. I have no clue why I was doing that, but I had fun doing it.
I see the_jacas and he's telling me he's hit about every set in the place. We leave after closing. I go outside and we all shoot the shit with random people standing outside. Pete comes around and starts passing around clipboards with some weird membership applications. He tells us that they're opening up the upstairs area. I tell him I thought there was only one floor of the club. He tells me not anymore. Sweet! Only cool members will be able to get a premiere of the upstairs area, and it was completely free! I guess we were in the right place at the right time. Now I'm an ultra cool VIP with an additional pass to the ultra cool and hip upstairs area! YEAH!
We go get hot dogs across the street. I'm playing with the dog and telling the other people coming around that they should not fuck with this dog. I think I was drunk at this point. I consume two chili dogs and we leave.
I get home, the_jacas leaves. I call up HB8 Nerdy Nurple from Chapel Hill. I've called her twice in the past two weeks. Each call was placed on Friday. I spent 3 to 4 hours with this hottie, venue changed with her several places after meeting her at a bar, defused most of her c*ckblocking friends, kissed her a few times, went to her dorm, got c*ckblocked blatantly by her roommate, built comfort and rapport with her in her dorm lobby, rode a shuttle with her with my arm around her and while pulling and playing with her hair, and plenty of isolation. The first call was just a message about me not being able to make it to Chapel Hill. The second call was still voice mail. I left no message that day. But on this night, I called
drunk and said something along the lines of, "HB, YOU'RE in trouble. I've called you three times now and haven't gotten anything in return. I'm not going to waste any more of my time or blah blah..." I cut it off during mid-sentence on purpose. I seriously doubt she'll ever return my phone calls now. I tried, failed, and chucked her number in the trash can. Oh well. Life goes on. This was a night of pointless wonder.
Thundercat (www.thundercatseductionlair.com ):
“Slipping Through My Fingers A Tale of a Lost Lay”
Okay, so what I’m about to share with you guys is quite a heartbreaking account of an adventure I had a few weeks ago. It’s heartbreaking in the respect that it could very well have been a LAY REPORT. However instead it degenerated into more of a “learning experience.” Bad news for me, good news for you guys, because hopefully you can get something from it so you won’t repeat my mistakes.
Anyway, onto the story. So I’m told about a party that’s going on over the weekend, and it’s set to be held at the Key Club on Sunset Blvd. on Saturday, February 28th. So it seems like a fun event, and I call and reserve 4 tickets just in case the party sells out.
The 28th rolls around, and the infamous Roadking (archive on mASF), Swinggcat (of Real World Seduction fame), and I all meet up at the Rainbow Bar and Grill for dinner before the party. This is a pretty cool place to eat for all you LA people. While there we saw actors David Spade and Aaron Ekheart. There’s a pretty sleazy 80’s hair band vibe in the place, but the food is actually pretty good and the wait staff is cute and friendly. The three of us had a lot of fun playing with our waitress, and I think we even got checked out by a nearby two-set. I get a call from IN10SE, who’s coming into LA that night with some people and wants to meet up, and we tell him if the party sucks we’ll probably join him down at the Standard Lounge, a pretty trendy hotel/club off of Sunset.
Anyway, fast-forward, we get out of the Rainbow Bar and Grill and walk across the street to the Key Club where there is already a line forming. As we get in line, a pretty nice 3 set comes up behind us, with two rather conservative looking girls and an out-and-out slut who’s obviously looking for the hook-up. She’s wearing so little clothing, that she’s freezing outside. Swinggcat and I laugh at her and open the set. Pretty standard c*cky and funny stuff, but the girls are really easy to open and seem to be into it.
We make fun of them for being underage and trying to party with all their grown up friends they met on the Internet. Anyway, we get bored once they start talking about Sex and the City and the line starts moving.
Before we get inside, the three of us are kind-of worried that this party might be a bust. Most of the girls we were seeing in line were Asian, and none of us are really that into Asian chicks. Anyway, the incomparable Primoman (for those of you who don’t know him, check out part III of my interview with Swinggcat on my site to find out more) shows up and joins us for the 4th ticket, and we collect our stubs and head on inside.
Inside, the party is already going on. Instantly we see some really hot girls littering the place, a shitload of loser guys standing around with drinks in their hands, some kick-ass music, and a smoking hot dancer who’s already on stage with her top off. At this point, it’s only 8:30. Swinggcat and I look at each other and say “We’re not going anywhere else tonight!” (Sorry IN10SE. Love ya buddy!)
So the party gets kicking. I open a tab and decide to make it a special occasion and drink. I get my typical Malibu and Pineapple concoction which I like because it’s half booze, and it tastes good, so I am able to get plastered pretty fast. The party is Beta Central as well, so the competition was virtually nil.
You didn’t even need to use AMOG (Alpha Male Other Guy) tactics half the time, most of these losers you could physically push out of set and pick up where they left off. The funny thing was, it was the same for the girls! All the chicks there ranged from moderate to hot in the looks department, but all of them had a social deficiency of some sort where they had a REALLY hard time meeting people! For most of them, this was the first night they’d gotten out of the house in months! Not only that, but each and every one of them was looking to hook up. It was like a fucking meat market, with only a handful of carnivores to pick up the slack.
So the night’s a complete blur, but I do remember some memorable moments I’ll point out…
--I opened close to 50 sets that night. I shit you not. It was SO fucking easy to talk to people. I didn’t even use opinion openers, I just walked up to the girls and started talking.
--I got slapped for the first time! I was out on the smoking patio with Roadking doing a two set consisting of a battletoad (ugly chick, for you uninitiated) and her hot redhead friend. I do lots of c*cky/funny with the redhead, she’s into the playful banter, I’m making fun of her, she has a good comeback. So I go to high-five her for the great comeback she whipped out, but pull back my hand at the last minute to completely invalidate her (high-five neg). Her jaw drops open with surprise, I laugh at her, and she SLAPS me across the face! It wasn’t a hard slap, and everyone was so surprised when it happened we all started busting up laughing afterwards.
--Opened a pretty good two set (guy and girl). Did the logical questions AMOG with the dude and hardcore push-pull with the girl. Went over well. Got a pretty solid e-mail close off her.
--Tested out my “Wanna Fight” opener. Went up to a 6 set of girls. Looked one of them in the eye, shook my fist at her and growled “Wanna fight?” She started flexing and yelled “Bring it on!” I replied “Great. Then we can have make-up sex.” The whole set starts laughing. I smile at the girl and follow up with “Just kidding. We don’t need to fight to do that.” The girls laugh even harder. Looks like the opener works! =)
--Open a 4 set with my “gay cow” opener. Two of them are smoking hot (one’s quite obviously bi). I walk up as they’re dancing around near the bathrooms, say “What’s a gay cow eat?” The girls look at me funny, then say “I don’t know!” I smile, go all fay, twirl my finger around in the air like the fag of the year and say “Haaaaayyyyy!” The girls bust up (chick humor, go figure). Some other dude with an eyepatch (uber tight pea c*cking, yo) joins in the set and starts telling this long, drawn out joke. I start chatting up the hot blonde while he’s doing it. She’s into the convo, but I neg her a bit too hard by dubbing her “Sweaty girl.” Then the new Outkast song comes on (I kid you not) and she pulls her friends away to “DANCE!” I swear, TD is right, Andre 3000 is the devil. Anyway, I’m able to isolate one of the set. Not the hottest in the world, but cute, extremely low self esteem, oh, and did I mention she’s also an epileptic? Go figure. Pretty solid close on that one. We should be meeting up soon, as sad as
it sounds.
--Opened a two set where a hot blonde and her battletoad friend (there seemed to be a lot of these combos) were digging through a purse. I approach the battletoad and tell her it looks like she’s trying to steal a purse and I’m gonna have to kick her out of the club. The battletoad laughs and turns to some guy she seems into who’s close by, effectively isolating me with the blonde, who’s rather drunk. I ask her her name, she says “Christy.” I tell her I hate that name. She says “Ex-Girlfriend?” I go into Swinggcat mode (ie, you can find this routine in his book) and say “No. Actually, Christy was the name of this girl I hated in the first grade, and I hated her because she always used to beat me at hot hands.” So I tell the girl to hold out her hands, and we start playing hot hands. I slap her good a few times and smile, pulling her close. I say “See, now I really like you! Because you really, really SUCK at hot hands!” Then I push her away. She laughs and demands a rematch. I say I retire champion, but that
I’ll thumb wrestle her. So we start thumb wrestling, and I’m constantly cheating. She’s laughing having a great time, the set is on, and just when it’s getting good, her battletoad friend shows up to c*ckblock. So the battletoad starts dragging the blonde away, but to my surprise, the blonde PULLS her hand free, LEAPS onto me, and whispers her email in my ear, telling me not to forget it. Then she goes off with her friend. I’ve since been exchanging e-mails with her.
--Did another 4 set, this time with only 1 hot chick and 3 warpigs. The warpigs are of course all over me while the hot one is pining over some South African dude who banged her hard the night before. I end up running into this set a number of times throughout the night. End up helping them steal some signs from the club, and also chat them up once the club is closing. The fattest warpig of the bunch gets all drunk and starts flashing her titties. She has all these losers around her looking at her breasts which must weigh 100 lbs each. One of the bouncers walks over and signs them with his sharpie marker. I talk up one of the girls who ain’t bad looking, and she was into me. Pretty solid close with her. I got distracted by their hot blonde friend who I start gaming, then some AMOG comes over and distracts her. I’m about to blow him out when I get a phone call, which I’ll explain in a bit…
So anyway, those are the memorable sets of the night. But the main one ends up being a two-set that Swinggcat and I end up pulling from the club.
So at the start of the night, before the party sold out and filled to capacity, girls were getting up on stage and dancing and doing all sorts of wild stuff. While I was still upstairs in the Key Club and close to the dance floor, I see this girl catch one of the club’s free t-shirts that got thrown into the crowd. The hot dancer chick who was topless most of the night pulls this girl up on stage. The girl who caught the shirt is a really cute Latina girl. Big, big natural breasts, bronze skin, long dark hair, great bubble ass, nice curves. She was packing a little extra weight, but not too much. She was still able to give me BO-NAR!!! =)
So she gets pulled on stage, the topless dancer takes the girl’s shirt off, flashing the crowd. The girl then slips on the t-shirt and the dancer girl takes some scissors and begins ripping it up, turning it into a belly shirt that’s barely able to contain this girl’s breasts. Once that’s done, they both start dancing pretty freaky on stage. It’s a big show and everyone in the club is watching. I actually use the situation as an opener and approach sets saying things like “Show off.” It opened pretty good, actually.
Anyway, fast forward, I go downstairs at some point and start opening sets. I go to the bar area and see a girl there who’s somewhat cute, I’d give her a 7 on the looks scale. Anyway, she’s just standing there alone, looking around like a lost puppy dog. I instantly see the low self esteem swelling inside her and go in to open. I walk up to her, smile, say “Sucks to be you!” and then I wink at her. She opens EXTREMELY well with her saying “What! Why?” I just laugh and say it looks like she just lost her best friend. She smiles and we start talking. Then, her friend from the bar joins us, and to my surprise, it’s that Latina chick who was up on stage earlier, her boobs still barely contained by the cut-up shirt she’s wearing. So suddenly, I’m in a two set, but the dancer girl is very much into it as well.
So I’m gaming these two girls, and Swinggcat is walking by. I pull him in set with an accomplishment intro. Swinggcat takes one look, sees what’s going on, and within two minutes pulls the 7 away to isolate me with the dancer girl (good wingman rules. Whoever opens gets the hottest from the set). So I start gaming the dancer chick who’s all into my material, going along with the c*cky/funny ball-busting stuff. About 5 minutes into the isolation, I look over to the booth where Swingg pulled the other girl, and I shit you not, they are MAKING OUT! Within literally 7 minutes of meeting the girl, he’s got her tongue down his throat. I gotta hand it to Swingg, he really knows how to target those insecurities that get the girl into him FAST.
Anyway, my girl sees this too, but instead of walking over and breaking it up like most good c*ckblocking friends would, she looks at me and smiles, a definite sign that she’s into it. Now, the first thing that’s running through my head is “Oh shit. I should make out with this girl!” The second thing is “Okay, how do I do that?” The third thing is “I should be more drunk by now.” The fourth thing is “I gotta memorize the evolution kiss close damnit!!!” By the time the fifth thing gets to my head, the moment is gone. I’m thinking had I made my move at this point, it could have lead to a !close (horizontal hoopla session) later on in the night guaranteed. More on that later.
So anyway, I decide to run the cube on her and do the IN10SE thing about “You’re a physical type… so in what other ways are you physical?” And lead into the make-out that way. So I start running the cube on her, and she’s into it. But then I start my analysis and she gets all weird. Afterwards she starts talking about this ex-boyfriend who screwed her over, stole grand from her, and now she’s working 3 jobs to pay it off, can’t go to college like she wants, and this is the first time she’s been out in 3 months. So I’m going cross-eyed at the sob story and start to stall. She eventually excuses herself and makes her way back to the dance floor. (Her friend later told me that my cold read of her was so accurate it freaked her out).
Anyway, I go off, run a few more sets. Swinggcat is still with the 7, doing comfort building. He starts working the girl for a threesome, and she’s into it, suggesting pulling her friend the dancer into it. Anyway, Roadking joins us, I start talking to the 7 while Swingg chats with Roadking. I do some sexual talk with the 7, because I still have some hope for getting in with her friend. Roadking calls it a night and leaves around the same time Primoman does. But Swingg and I decide to stay since the set looks promising.
So the Latina shows up again, but now she’s brought trouble with her. I guess on the dance floor she met some guy. He’s Latino too, I guess they kind-of knew each other from somewhere before which is how he opened her. But he’s this really good looking guy, skinny, perfect hair, Enrique Eglesias-looking dude. So I see these two together and I reapproach. I talk to the Latina a bit, but she gives me the cold shoulder, so I ignore neg her and start pummeling the dude with logical questions. She ends up dragging him off again, and I go off and do a few more sets.
So after the “Hot Hands” set I mentioned earlier, I see that the Latina is back with her boy toy who’s following her around like a lost puppy, and they’re sliding into the booth where Swinggcat and her friend are sitting. Taking my opportunity, I run up, leap OVER the booth, and sit down right next to the Latina chick, cutting off the dude just as he’s about to sit down next to her. The guy looks at me wide eyed, like he can’t believe that just happened. I throw my arm over my target, and say “What’s up, dude?” I go to put my arm around him. He gets all weirded out and pulls away.
I say “What’s the matter, man? Don’t you love me anymore?” He says “I just don’t like guys touching me.” I say “Insecure with your masculinity? That’s cool. It’s a common problem in LA.”
I hear Swinggcat chuckle out of the periphery of my hearing. Later on he told me that’s where I turned the set around with my target. Apparently when I jumped over the booth, I completely tooled the guy. We dubbed the move the “Leapfrog AMOG.” I went on with a few more AMOG tactics to further beta the dude. First thing I did was have him take a picture of me and my target with my digital camera. It’s a horrible photo of me and the girl, so I talk about what a great photographer he is. Then I tell him that he and my target make such a great couple, he should marry her.
I tell him to propose right now! So like a moe he starts mock-proposing, slipping an imaginary ring on her finger. Then I say “Actually, you know what? You two look too much alike, almost like brother and sister. This is an incestuous union. How’s it feel to go against nature?”
Anyway, this goes on. Eventually, the guy gets up and leaves. I’m with my girl again, and we chat a bit. Swingg’s girl ends up pulling her away to “Go talk to her.” While they’re gone, Swingg tells me it’s on, and that his girl is gonna pull my girl along with us, so chances are I’m getting laid tonight. At that, I sober up a bit and get kind-of nervous. Nervous but excited. So at this point the club is closing, and I gotta go get my car from the valet before they shut down, so I make plans to meet with Swinggcat and the girls outside the club.
It’s at this point I’m outside and see the big black bouncer signs that fat chick’s t*tties. The Latina girl comes out because her friend told her to meet her outside. So I’m there waiting with her. She’s cold. I put my arm around her and start kinoing (excessive touching). The Enrique Dude shows back up, and he pulls her off to say goodbye. I know it’s no big deal because her friend drove, so she’s coming with me no matter what. But Swinggcat and his girl still aren’t outside. That’s when I start gaming that blonde chick and get distracted by the phone call.
It’s Swinggcat on his girl’s cell phone. He’s on his way out and tells me to get my car. So I do. I see Swingg’s girl pull my target away from the AMOG and get in their car. Swingg hops in my car and says “Quick, we gotta think of someplace to take them! Who’s closer, you’re place or mine?” Well, we both live outside of Hollywood, so either drive is a good 30-45 minutes. Swingg is like “F*ck, fuck, fuck, fuck… both are two far. Quick, think of a place we can take them!”
My first thought was the Project Hollywood Mansion, but I didn’t want to bring our girls to those vultures (sorry guys)! So my second thought was ROADKING!
Roadking only lives about 5 minutes away from the club off Sunset. So I give him a call and tell him we’re coming over with some girls. Roadking is up for it (thank God) and says he’ll have the place ready (Love ya, bro!).
So we’re driving to Roadking’s place, the girls are right behind us, and I’m laughing my ass off. It’s the kind of laugh a condemned man might make as he’s facing his fate, that kind of “I can’t believe this is happening” nervousness that can only manifest itself in the most ridiculous laughter imaginable. It’s at this point I realize “Shit! This is the first time I’ve ever pulled from a club!”
So we get to Roadking’s place and go up to his apartment. We all sit on the couch, make some small talk, whatever. My girl complains her feet hurt, so I tell her to give me her foot, and I start massaging her feet. As I’m doing this, I’m thinking “Dude, what the fuck am I doing? Why am I massaging this girl’s feet? This is so fucking lame! I should be fucking this girl!” I look at Swinggcat and I can tell he’s thinking the same thing about my situation. My girl starts talking about some stupid soap opera she watches called “Passions.” Swinggcat gets bored after about 3 minutes of listening to her prattle on and starts making out with his chick. So I look at mine and I’m thinking “F*ck. I gotta close this girl!”
At his point I stand up, take her by the hand, and say “Come here, I got something cool I wanna show you.” So she stands up and I lead her into Roadking’s bedroom. I tell her to lay down on the bed. She’s kind-of wary, but then I tell her I’m gonna give her a back massage.
She lays down on the bed and I start massaging her back. She’s into it, but still keeps talking about her stupid soap opera. It’s at this point I notice all the cat hair on Roadking’s bed. For those of you who know me, I’m deathly allergic to cats. I’m able to hang out at Roadking’s place because he’s got a million air purifiers that catch the hair in the air, but I realize my girl is laying on my equivalent to kryptonite. So I’m mildly freaking out, and just keep thinking “Ignore it! Power through! F*ck this girl!”
So I start working my way under the back of her shirt, and she’s into the massage. Then I hear the front door to Roadking’s apartment open, and another female voice. Roadking has a friend of his who’s an exotic dancer who stays at his place a lot. This girl is named Sam, and she’s a notorious c*ckblocker. One of these chicks who’s used to being the center of attention among the c*ckfarms. I get worried at this development, because I know that Sam’s gonna do something to try and screw this up for me. So I get on the bed and straddle my girl, working on massaging her shoulders. Sam walks in and goes into the bathroom. My girl looks over and says “Who was that?”
I tell her it’s this girl who’s friends with Roadking, and that she’s totally into me and gets really jealous when I bring other girls over, and to just ignore anything she says. And sure enough, once Sam gets out of the bathroom, she sees me on top of this girl on the bed and walks over, saying “She gets a back massage? All you ever gave me was a black eye!”
I smile at her and say “Ah, you’re just jealous!” Sam scowls at me, mutters something along the lines of “whatever,” and leaves. I go back to massaging my girl. At this point, I see Swinggcat pulling his girl into the bathroom. I turn just in time for him to wink at me before he closes the bathroom door. Before long, I hear the kind of fevered squeaking that can only come from fucking on a toilet.
My girl looks up and says “What’s that noise?” And I’m like “Nothing.” She says “It sounds like morse code.” I tell her I’m sure someone is signaling SOS. She starts complaining that the light is hurting her eyes. So reach over and turn the bedside light off.
It’s now dark, and we’re both laying on the bed. I’m thinking “This is it! Make your move, dumb a448!”
So I start kissing her neck. She’s laying there like a dead fish, letting me kiss her up and down. I’m about to roll her over when all of a sudden, the squeaking from the bathroom stops dead. The door FLINGS open, and Swinggcat’s girl comes out with this big, dumb grin on her face and says “Time to go!”
My girl gets up like nothing at all was going on between us and puts her jacket on. I’m on the bed and look at Swinggcat, who gives me a helpless shrug. The girls end up high-tailing it out of there, yet to be seen again.
Afterwards, Swinggcat and I unwind a bit with Roadking and Sam. I’m beating myself up for being a dumb-a448. Had I just cavemaned my girl, I probably could have closed the deal, but instead I got too wrapped up in looking for signs that she was into me or ready to “do it.” Swinggcat made some good points that the girl was a validation junkie and just needed a guy to take a strong lead with her and she’d go along. Looking back, it’s true. Whenever I told her to do something or lead her, she did it. I probably could have just taken off her clothes and fucked her once I had her in isolation on the bed, but I didn’t.
Regardless, it was a night of firsts for me in a lot of respects. It was the first time I ever pulled from a club, the first time I used AMOG destroyers, and the first time I’d ever gotten that far with a girl in a single night. All in all a good learning experience.
I still may be able to hook up with the Latina girl, but I get the feeling it may have been one of those deals where if I didn’t !close her the first night, it’s over. Oddly enough, Swinggcat’s girl has been emailing me, so I guess that avenue to my chick is still open.
I think the biggest thing I got out of the whole night was the concept of Frame Control, and how important it is to have a strong frame and lead others using it. Don't think too much about making a move, just do it. Let my instincts take over. Don't look for signs. If she's sticking around with me or kissing me, THAT is the sign. If she's in bed with me, THAT is the sign. Once I see the above signs, do whatever it takes to get my d*ck in her. If she is not going to fuck that night, she will let you know. Otherwise, seal the deal. But you'll never know unless you try. I guess that’s the moral of this long, drawn-out story.
All I know is, I won’t be making the same mistake again. ;-)
XANEUS:
FR: XANEUS Gets PU'd by a Stripper
I went to a strip club with my wing last night to work on our stripper game because if you can pull from there, IMO you can pull from anywhere as long as logistics don't fuck you up. I wore an extremely flashy hat as a prop to be absolutely sure we got opened. We planted ourselves at a table in a high traffic area and waited for the games to begin. Ideally, the strip club should have been dead which it DEFINITELY was not. This posed a problem, but in the end, not in insurmountable one.
For a few minutes as we talked amongst ourselves, it looked as though we might not get opened, but then one of the dancers (HBStripperFace 8.5) came over and told me someone was going to steal my hat, so it might as well be her. She asked if she could wear it, so I went into immediate qualification mode:
"You have to be very special to wear this hat"
"Maybe… if you pass my test"
"Ooh… I see, you just like me for my hat"
Unable to come up with adequate responses at this point, she fell back on her social 10 status with "would you like a dance?"
I busted her customer frame, and got her sitting to take my test. I ran the girlfriend test (which of course I would NEVER explicitly call by that name this early in a sarge), then threw a bunch of frames of her being dangerous and just out to take advantage of me and my friend. Weird thing was I didn't have to even throw hard negs. The hardest neg I did was when I gestured to give her my hat for a 30 second trial period, and then pulled it away since she was "getting all grabby" and made her re-earn it. Somehow the subject of childhood memories came up, so I went into the anchoring DHV routine which absolutely captivated her. Cue the IOIs.
After a few more minutes, she had to go on stage, but on her way to the stage, she turned and begged for the hat on stage. I walked over melodramatically and handed it to her where all the club could see with, "but you'd better give it back." Now she was locked in.
In her on stage interval, another stripper (HBSweet 8) came by and asked if we'd like a dance. We broke her customer frame as well, and made her sit with us and try to convince us that she was sweet and innocent deep down. It was fun and good social proof.
HBStripperface came over to return the hat and we blatantly ignored her while talking to the HBSweet. She then asked for the hat back so she could make more money… I told her she really needed to get some clothing of HER OWN, but in the end I relented because legitimately she went up to a 9 with the hat on.
After HBSweet had to go dance, HBStripperface came back and practically BEGGED me to tell her more about anchoring. It was a lucky topic for me to have stumbled upon.
This is where it gets WEIRD. She has one very negative childhood anchor, so when I told her how to set and change anchors, she literally started crying. She had to change the subject like 5 different times throughout the night because crying is bad for business.
She got super-effusive and would NOT shut up about how amazing I was and how I was a Godsend to her, and how she's been working on this problem and now I'm like an angel sent to her with the solution, etc.
Very freaky… like to the point where I felt like if I said anything not 100% nice I could blow her out at any moment. She was totally fragile.
I've gotten good, or even great reactions and legit IOIs from strippers before, but nothing like this. Still, the problem in these situations is trying to close. Most strippers (I believe) have a very strict personal policy about not seeing people who come into the club. There was no way I could close her, so I had to wait for her to close me.
At one point she started to realize just how far into state she was, and how sexually powerless I'd made her, so she started shit testing me about how without the hat she wouldn't notice me cause I'm so average looking, and how nothing about me stands out. I did a backturn, but she still kept going, so eventually, I turned around, looked her straight in the eyes like a disappointed parent, and said "glad I could be average for you."
She literally burst into tears and ran away into the back room.
So I was thinking to myself, "fuck, how the fuck did THAT blow her out?!" I was discussing it with my wing who assured me that I wasn't blown out.
About five minutes later, she came back over to our table and apologized for like five minutes and told me repeatedly about how I was SOO amazing and how she'd called her friend to tell her that she'd met the most amazing person who she could just talk to on a level like she'd never been able to with anyone before, etc. She kept dropping hints about how I'd be a part of her life forever, and how she wished we could talk so much more and get to know each other.
I played this down for the most part, but at one point I did say, "we should get together some other time"… which I think ALMOST blew me out again. At that point she said she had to "go make money" but that she'd be back. Again though, my wing assured me that it was still ON. Thanks dude. You may be semi-newbie, but you rock.
I KNEW she was literally IN LOVE with me, but I also knew I could not close, so what was I to do. I was wracking my brain. Fortunately I didn't have to worry about it. She came back, tried massively hard to qualify herself to me for like half an hour, and then number closed me. I resisted the close, and then finally acquiesced like the sixth time she hinted at it (by this time, the hints were pretty blatant). She started quizzing me about whether I had a girlfriend who would be jealous if we hung out sometime, or asking me what kinds of thinks I like to do, and telling me how much she liked each and every one as well, and how much she'd love to come see me play soccer, etc… So basically after getting the number, I listened to her compliment me for like 20 minutes straight and then we said our goodbyes. On the way out, she gave me the extensive treatise on when would be good times to call her and how I should keep calling if I didn't get through at first because she doesn't turn her phone on all the time, etc.
My wing assures me it's solid. Hey, he was right about everything else.
I don't know if I really want to follow through, though it would be phenomenal practice. In any case, I think it was a decent sarge even if it was a bit lucky.
One question though: This girl is like an 8.5. There's a girl in the same club who is a legitimate 10. I want the 10. Is there any way I could have had choice in this situation. I mean really, it was all just a matter of which girl came over to my table. Is there any way in future I can set it up I get the one I really wanted? Anyone who has experience with this?
RSD San Francisco Seminar/Workshop Review
TD and Papa were kind enough to invite me down to help instruct at their recent RSD workshop in San Francisco. I hope you find the following summary informative. I've excluded names, but any guys who I mention can feel free to chime in with further details.
Day 1
TD Lectured for a couple hours on the basics of opening and then we hit the field.
My group along with instructors Papa, Playboy, and Craig (SD) went to a club called Matrix, which had a good number of targets and reasonable volume.
Mainly I pushed guys into set rather than sarging myself, but I did have a few running sets through the course of the evening who I enlisted to ‘talk to my shy friend(s).’ For the most part I feel it’s better to have students open their own sets to get experience, but I was able to get a few students some later game practice this way. In fact, one of my ‘shy friends’ turned out to be un-shy enough to @ close an 8.5 in one of these sets! For the most part I worked with 2-3 guys at a time, pushing them into a set, discussing the set, then pushing them immediately into the next set. I am happy to say that by the end of the night all the students I’d worked with had had at least one decent long set. Apparently in the other group, one of the guys pulled, and TD had a really good set with two runway models.
Day 2
Seminar
In what has to be one of the more amazing feats of oratory I’ve seen recently TD lectured for something like 6 hours on game. Thankfully he’s an engaging speaker. I don’t remember the exact topic coverage, but I was definitely VERY impressed by the depth with which TD explained the practical side of the game in theoretical terms. To me, this is very important because I find that if I have an accurate theoretical model, the tactics come more quickly because they inherently make sense.
Workshop
We rode a bachelor/bachelorette party bus that went to three different clubs. This was nice because limited time in each club minimized the c*ck-farm effect. All of the clubs were fairly loud high stimulus environments, which made gaming tough… but in a sense, this is good for the guys because it requires them to be assertive and PLOW sets. At the first club I pushed guys into sets, while taking over a 5-set myself… which I then brought guys into by accomplishment intro-ing them. Towards the end, I started opening sets with students so they could see my game up-close. A student and I were running a pretty decent seated 3-set when it was time to switch clubs. The second club was a fairly loud dance club, but there was an area in the front and a smoking area where one could game effectively. I started a seated three-set which I handed over to a student, and then I ran a showy set with TD in the smoking room. The target kept trying to unzip the peacocky vest TD lent me for the night (thanks man). The set was rea
lly high energy. We were getting IOIs and probably could have worked it, but we felt it better to return to the students and get them into sets. Most of the students I found were already in set, so I’d enter briefly when things looked bad, pump the girls’ buying temperature for a few minutes and then leave the guy to continue the set. The time came to switch clubs, but nobody could find TD. I went back to look for him, and found him helping a student number close. Once they’d closed her effectively, we took a cab to the next club (she called the student the next day). The final club of the night was super-loud and super-big. I found a couple of students whose opening was sporadic and reviewed body language with them, giving them examples by opening sets personally… I even did a little trick where I open a few sets on body language alone without even using words in order to illustrate my point. I ran some quick party game to get huge reactions and blow up the students’ frames of what was possible, then I pushe
She doesn't turn her phone on a.ems d them into sets again. On the bus on the way back, my personal high point of the night came when I took a plastic dick from one of the bridesmaids and then busted on her for trying to touch my dick when she tried to get it back. I then ran punishment-reward on her by hugging her when she did something I liked, and rubbing the dick on her face when she didn’t. She tried to # close me as she got off the bus, but I told her it would never work out but that I’d remember her always as my plastic dick girl. We all met up at a diner at the end of the night for food and discussion. Bonuses for the night: I got to see Craig dance… and he is MONEY and Playboy went back and #closed the bus tour guide who was an 8.5 who acted like a 9.5.
Day 3
In addition to another stellar seminar instruction by TD with Papa coming in at times, each of the instructors gave a guest address to the group.
XANEUS: The stages of development in PU and personal story
PLAYBOY: A lot of stuff about attitude (very deep and well-delivered… I can’t do it justice)
PAPA: Experimenting in the game, and how he and TD got where they are
TwentySix: Personal Journey and some HILARIOUS TwentySix routines.
Craig: Greatest hits from his posts and some notes on phone game and general self improvement
Jlaix: The ‘Jeffy’ Method (including the classic “I want to lick it”)… what can I say… the guy’s even more fun in person than in his FRs.
TD also covered some later-game tactics like pulling, phone game, phase shifting, qualification, day 2, etc… which was great for me as a more advanced guy.
For the workshop portion, my group with TD, Jlaix, 26 and myself went to Aerobar where we found a decent crowd. I personally was getting NOWHERE with the girls there, so I focused mainly on pushing students into sets.
(Props to Jlaix who works this scene effectively… I regularly game hard Jappy 9s and 10s, but I kept getting weird vibes from the sets here… like they’d be talking, but I’d get NO IOIs… weird). Overall the students did fairly well, with one student nearly # closing the hottest girl in the place while TwentySix occupied the guy she was with. Unfortunately, the targets were running low so we shifted to another club. It was a gay club, but there were still a number of attractive girls there. By this point the numbers had dwindled and we had an instructor for every student. I took my student around, had him open sets and then came in and ran long sets once he’d started to stall out. We did three sets together each of which was probably 15-20 minutes. TD ran a few VERY impressive sets. Two near pulls… one of which told her gay friend “stop c*ckblocking me!” and another where his legs were entwined with the girls for like 20 minutes as he did rapport. He probably could have pulled one or both of these were he not a
ttending to students. Once the bar closed, we debriefed outside with TD and said our goodbyes.
I can say with assurance that it was an exciting an educational weekend for all the students and for at least one of the instructors. I can’t wait to hang out with all the guys again.
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Carlos Xuma Dating Dynamics ( datingdynamics.com ):
> Guru master: Being honest, emotionally open, being cute, being vulnerable, being sweet, being a gentleman ARE NECESSARY TRAIT'S for real PUA's, provided that's not ALL YOU DO. I wish we could sarge together to show you just how far I can take puppy dog routines and age-regression tactics. Has anyone on this board ever CRIED in front of a girl and had her fall MADLY in love with you? NAH... That would be "AFC"... never mind.
Carlos Xuma: No, you have a point there, local pick-up guru, but honestly, the majority of guys out there CANNOT sarge with deep emotional congruency to pull this off. Yes, it can be done in practice, and I use it, too, but on the whole, it doesn't really add significant value for me right now. That could change. I'm doing a little of this with my older HB8 that LOVES the fact that I take care of her and toss in an occasional emotional peekaboo. (Perhaps I came across as too militant in my article.) No one can be oblivious and not balance in a little emotional reality - that you're not a robot. Point taken, S, but I stand by the overall message that guys have to REALLY watch their programming, especially those just aspiring from AFC up into Player. Dangerous zone. Too easy to fall back into that "please approve of me" routine.
>> Carlos Xuma: It tells me that they're not really out there getting laid, and they're part of a conspiracy to rob all other guys of their chances of getting laid. Honesty is NOT the best policy when it comes to attracting women. (It comes into play later, when and IF you decide to have a relationship with her, but not now.) Show some integrity and honor, but don't reveal that you once stuck your pecker in the vacuum cleaner until much later. (If ever, Hoover-boy.)
> Guru master: I respectfully disagree. When did you become so jaded? "Honesty is NOT the best policy when it comes to attracting women." Lighten up. Look, I like David DeAngelo's stuff too, but ENOUGH already. C&F is one of the greatest 'frames' ever, and all that stuff about not being needy is great advice. GREAT ADVICE. But it's possible to take this stuff too far, which is my opinion of what you are doing here. You're taking all this seduction shit too far. I WISH I had gotten my c*ck stuck in the vacuum so that I could tell girls about it. They would laugh their ass off, and so would I. They would see my HUMAN SIDE. One of the tightest pieces of my game comes in the form of sharing embarrassing stories like this, as early as possible, and encouraging women to share some of theirs. It's, uh, cute.
Carlos Xuma: Nah, I'm really not that jaded, dude. : ) I was pissed at those authors that gave that lame fuckin advice. Again, I contend that what you say is so much more the exception than the rule that I don't want to cloud the understanding of the rule with a bunch of "except when ... Except when... " You get my point. A bulk of this was in response to the overwhelming male urge to CONFESS to women to earn their trust. And I think you have to weigh the presentation of it. Most guys don't REVEAL, they CONFESS, neediness steps in, and therein it knocks them WAY off the goal. It's pretty evident that you can't sarge without showing yourself, but it's a PLANNED reveal. (By the way, it's not too late to do that vacuum thing if you really want to add that one to your game. : )
> Guru master: Good sound advice, but not always. Romantic gestures can, uh, get the woman to like, um, notice you. But not always. In retro, I'm suggesting a BALANCE between the sweet romantic shit and the C&F shit. Neither will work all the time by themselves.
Carlos Xuma: Now here I agree with you completely. (Face it, we could play this back and forth for days with the "except when... "s : ) It has to be calculated and VERY sharp romantic gesture, though. Example: My HB8 went to Europe for V-day. No sweat for me, but I wanted to lock in my game for her return. I put a couple of sticky notes around her place as a scavenger hunt, ending in some chocolates and a pointer to a web page where I (jokingly) broke it off because she wouldn't sacrifice her trip to find out what a GREAT time I had planned for her. She called me and emailed me no less than 4 times to tell me how that was the coolest (God help me she even said "the most romantic" ) thing anyone had ever done for her. SCHA-wing. bag of chocolate and some stickies for some mojo reunion fun. So, yes, there is a use, but again, the rule is not invalidated by the exceptions, merely clarified and deepened. Thanks for deepening it, S! Good points.
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Please send them to him at david-relentless.com. I would recommend you copy me as well (cliff-relentless.com) so I will make sure they get answered.
All subscribers of these emails will be given a free subscription and, as here, you can unsubscribe at any time. I know that you will find his comments and advice to be pretty unique and very useful. We are also making progress on the long awaited book which we hope will be ready relatively soon now.
The tapes of the David Seminar are now available and are being shipped upon receipt of your order, but please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. You can visit the website at www.be-relentless.com and orders should be made through paypal (go to www.paypal.com and send money to sales-relentless.com) if you need some other way to make payment, inquire at info-relentless.com. This product comes on two DVD discs for a total of approximately 6 1/2 hours of playing time. The price is USD + USD for the DVD which covers shipping and handling anywhere in the world. Inquire about shipping by overnight courier. These tapes are now available in a sound only version also.
Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available. David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual problems with certain women. You can get on the phone, answer his questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on how to succeed in your particular mission.
PLEASE NOTE: This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of www.doubleyourdating.com (who has posted some great stuff here under the name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of www.davidshade.com).
Doc gives a class titled "How to Pick Up Women: Learn to Be Irresistible to Them!" in Toronto.
He also gives a "Power Dating" speed dating event there as well. This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.
Real Social Dynamics (realsocialdynamics.directtrack.com/ad/1/CD11):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Classroom Seminars ( deposit required for signup)
Saturday/Sunday 11:00am - 9:00pm
Sydney Seminar - - March 13-14, 2004
New York Seminar - - April 24-25, 2004
Los Angeles Seminar - - May 29-30, 2004
Amsterdam Seminar - - July 3-4, 2004
Montreal Seminar - - July 10-11, 2004
London Seminar - - August 21-22, 2004
In-Field Workshops ( deposit required for signup)
Friday/Saturday/Sunday 9:00pm - 2:30am
Sydney Workshop - - March 12-14, 2004
New York - Workshop - - April 23-April 25, 2004
Los Angeles Workshop - - May 28-30, 2004
Amsterdam Workshop - - July 2-4, 2004
Montreal Workshop - - July 2-4, 2004
London Workshop - - August 20-22, 2004
Individualized Boot-Camps ( deposit required for signup)
Friday/Saturday/Sunday 1:00pm - 2:30am
· Individualized Boot-Camp - - Schedule Date/Location with Papa
Go to realsocialdynamics.directtrack.com/ad/1/CD11 to signup for the next events on their schedule as they are launching a new program.
Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Here is the 2004 schedule:
Speed Seduction Seminars:
April 30-May 2 NYC
Sept 3,4,5 London England
Unstoppable Personal Influence Mastery (women encouraged to attend!)
May 7-9 NYC
Sept 10, 11, 12 London England
At the heart of every effective Change technology -- like organized religion, psychology and magick -- we find a common set of states and effects that allow you to truly experience and subsequently Believe. Join us in South Beach as we explore the hypnotic elements of Ritual and Magick. Sun, surf, sultry nights and amazing sights as we create our own body of powerful personal rituals for self-exploration, self-development, and the quest for Power and Influence in this world as well! Come for the toolbox of techniques that maximize influence within ritual behaviors, or just come to step through the looking-glass and begin living
*Beyond Seduction In Montreal -- July 16-18
Cliff's Comment: MONTREAL!!!!
*Introduction To Hypnosis -- The New Curriculum -- Las Vegas September 20-24
This year we were asked by a national hypnosis group to develop a New Curriculum for the training of hypnotists -- one which would reflect the absolute best of what has always worked while incorporating our own cutting-edge discoveries. We wanted a curriculum that was so comprehensive in explication and exercise that the graduates could walk into an internship anywhere in the world, secure that they were the best-trained hypnotists in the place. The result is being rolled out over five days in Las Vegas. This is your chance to immerse yourself in the most comprehensive approach to powerful, positive, permanent change ever presented!
Send mail to Cassi.com with questions or comments about these seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus" such as Ben (), David X, and many others.
NEW SEMINAR IN SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA!! Saturday, March 6th & Sunday, March 7th
2004 Tentative Seminar Schedule:
Los Angeles at the end of April or beginning of May. This will be a one time, 4 day program, all new material.
London, England, July.
New York September.
Las Vegas beginning of December.
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is a respected poster in Mystery's lounge and he has held workshops together with TylerDurden and Papa.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0 into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
BADBOY COMES TO THE U.S.!!
Workshop dates for 2004 are:
San Diego (March 4-5-6) 8 seats available
LA March (ask for dates on email)
Hawaii workshop, to be announced
For more info, email Badboy at badboy.net. See Badboy's new website: www.playboylifestyle.net
Thundercat's Seduction Lair
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today!
www.thundercatseductionlair.com
and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
of Tarot Cards that he his going to be launching soon. Find out more at his website.
P.S. Try magic words 'ben' 'rap' and 'nlp'.
Mike Pilinski is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).
Swinggcat: www.realworldseduction.com
Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com
LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
To find out more about "Freedom with Women", contact
davidc.com
This is going to be a special seminar where Smooth, the President of the Toronto Lair, will enrich the seminar as a guest speaker. Smooth will lend his rich experience and expertise in several areas, including TONS of experience in real seductions of hotties that are met online.
To learn more about this special seminar, go to:
And follow the "Seminars" link.
And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.
This book is meant for today's situation with women in the Western world. I give you step-by-step details on how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't even have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!
Download it now at:
And follow the link to "About The Dating Wizard"
FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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