That's why I don't eat shrimp

[summary]Oliver Turner reveals the deadly sins of day game, and Frank Kermit weighs in on the ethics of pursuing women with boyfriends.[/summary]

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EVENT ANNOUNCEMENTS:

Payton Kane:

Payton Kane Creates Playboy Mansion Type Parties!

Payton: "I got a mini mansion in the burbs - I call it the Seduce & Conquer Mansion! LOL. It’s 4200 Sq ft, 2 story, 3 floors with a massive swimming pool and waterfall. Now that’s not the big news… The big news is that I plan on throwing Playboy style parties at least once a month starting in July! I’m talking strippers, bartenders, waitresses, models and questionable babes from all over Toronto! LOL! And, I plan on turning it into one BIG seminar and party event. So it would be like a Playboy party, pick up training weekend where guys would come from all over (maximum of 20) They would get an in class seminar during the day, (in class meaning by the pool!) then a stripper or nightclub seminar Friday night followed by an in-class, how to work the party, seminar on Saturday and then the big party Saturday night! I hope to have at least 30 to 40 hot girls at the party so there would be at least one girl for every guy and 10 for you and me! LMAO. And, it would be Playboy Style with stripper poles outside, girls jumping in the pool, getting naked, the works! AND the best part is I would only charge a very reasonable amount for the entire weekend! … Brilliant baby! I think I will be the first and only coach to throw Playboy Style Parties, focusing on teaching guys how to approach women, and how to talk to women in order to pick up and score. It would be a tremendous learning experience and a hell of a lot of fun in the process. I think it’s a genius idea! And will allow us to play, enjoy and learn all at once. As you know I have always said that seduction and pick up training should be the most fun a person could have. I think this will be a huge hit even bigger than my Cancun and Dominican Seminars because its cheap and doesn’t take up much time. After all it’s only for a weekend."

For details on the next party (the first one is sold out!), which will be held the weekend of August 24-26, go to: http://www.seduceandconquer.com/guys/cliff1.html

Steve P:

Check out http://www.schoolofstevep.com/ to learn about Steve's new seminar that will be held in Germany July 25-26-27. Guest speakers include Cameron Teone, Johnny Soporno and Zan.

Fundraising Sargeathon in Toronto:

A special event is taking place on July 25th, 26th and 27th (full 3 days & nights) in downtown Toronto and will feature over a dozen speakers, including Adrian Biccum, Sean Messenger, Christiano, Yohan a.k.a. "Wolverine," Tung, Nala Hasan, Lucy Becker, and Maria "LaLaLa." The Toronto Community's best Instructors and close friends have gotten together and decided to raise funds for a special cause by doing what they do best - sharing their wisdom, experience, knowledge and hard-earned skills by putting on a one of a kind boot camp! Toronto community member Snow's mother has been diagnosed with late stage Liver Cancer and all funds collected will go toward her medical expenses. To register, or make a donation by Paypal, visit http://www.sargeathon.com/

DJ:

DJ: STORYTELLING: A community old-timer, you might know DJ from his days at Mystery Method, his current work at Stylelife, his special appearances at Cliff's List 2005 and 2006, and on Master the Vibe. DJ has decided to once again teach his Personal Storytelling Seminar, on June 28 & 29, in New York City. You will learn how to convey your identities and life experiences in a genuine, strong, and attractive way through storytelling in language that excites and captivates women. You will also learn how to let go of negative past experiences and fears which are holding you back so that you can allow your best self to shine brightly. This program is about how you tell your personal story. If you've been looking to take that next step and start truly connecting with women for who you are, you won't want to miss this. And there are some very special guest speakers planned. Learn more at: www.storytellingforguys.com

Real Social Dynamics:

RSD has a boot camp planned for Montreal, as well as others across Canada. They are planning to be in Montreal on August 15-17. For more details, go to http://realsocialdynamics.directtrack.com/ad/1/CD11

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Clifford:

I would like to introduce you to a unique voice in the seduction community. I've been in regular communication with Mike Patrick of Seduction Revolution now for about six months and what he has to say is quite unique next to what you're heard before. Mike has a deep and subtle understanding of women, which he communicates in a manner that most men wil be able to easily understand and apply. His insights and approach can powerfully shift the perception and core beliefs that you have, whether you're relatively inexperienced with women or an ardent studier of seduction strategies.

This isn't simply tricks and techniques to get women into bed; this is life-changing wisdom that can improve your romantic relationship with women in every area. Mike's results with women are outstanding and amongst the best in the game. He spent a lifetime coming to this knowledge and fifteen years studying and refining his approach so that it could be communicated to others in a format that is comprehensible, learnable and easy to implement. Most of the men who use Mike's material are getting almost instant improvement in results and learning how to manage women in a way they never dreamed was possible.

He's already been interviewed by David DeAngelo in David's "Interview with Dating Gurus" series and has had an overwhelmingly positive response to his psychological understanding of how women think and how to allow women to seduce you.

He will be in both Los Angeles and Montreal, Canada in the next few weeks. I strongly suggest you get your hands on his material as a core staple of your seduction methodologies and see him while he's in both these cities if at all possible.

You can see his schedule and seminar details at www.seductionrevolution.com/seminars.aspx

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Oliver Turner (http://link.cliffslist.com/Su)

3 Deadly Sins of Day Game

When it comes to Day Game, there are mistakes common to every unsuccessful guy out there. These are the DEADLIEST sins of day game. What I’m about to tell you took me YEARS to figure out. And the hardest part of the equation, after discovering it, was to stop my old habits and put the new ones in to action.

Here they are:

Bad Timing

Timing is very important when trying to meet women during the day. I know there’s this rule wherein you have to approach a girl within 3 second of seeing her. I agree with this, but just not all the time. There are situations where you should wait a little longer, and strike at the opportune moment. Doing this increases your chances of successfully meeting her by over 70%! Unbelievable right?!

Here are some pointers
- Stop and analyze the situation
- Ask yourself if you can talk to her for 5-15 minutes without being interrupted?
- Attack when you think you should

Here are some times when you should NOT approach her
- She’s ordering food
- She’s already near the cashier
- She’s counting something
- She’s with a customer

You have a better chance of succeeding when there are fewer interruptions. It’s possible to succeed even if there are tons of interruptions, but it takes a lot of effort and patience. I’m just giving you the path of least resistance.

There’s a gray area, too. If she’s walking down the street, she could be in a hurry, but not necessarily. Instead of wondering if you should approach her, just do it. It’s better just to start walking towards her.

Ignorance of Social Energy

The energy you bring to the interaction is one of the factors that determine how successful you are at Day Game.

There are 2 things you should keep in mind before you approach any girl.

1- What’s the overall energy of the environment?
2- What kind of energy is she projecting?

You will come across as weird if you don’t match the energy of the interaction and the person. These must all be taken into consideration before you start talking to the girl. If you’re in a bar or club, you can get away with super high energy, touching her right off the bat and laying it on thick. If you’re in a library or a small lecture room, then you should tone it down.

It’s like manually tuning a radio station. In order to get the clearest signal, you should be in tune with the right station. If you’re over or below the desired radio frequency, even slightly, then it won’t be clear. The same goes for social interactions. You must be in tune with the energy of the environment and the person you’re talking to.

Overdressing

Social pressure is something we feel every time the spot light is on us. Have you ever been on stage before? How did it feel the very first time? Maybe it was a contest, speech, presentation, or play. Remember the feeling you had when you were talking or presenting something in front of a group of people? That feeling was social pressure.

So imagine you’re all dressed up. You put on some nice clothes, some unique shoes, and you stand out. Of course you draw attention to yourself. You might be used to this pressure, but most girls are not.

In order get good with girls, you have to understand how they operate: the things they think about, their concerns, values, etc. I’ve been fortunate to grow up with 4 little sisters. I had no choice but to be aware of their thought processes and mannerisms, and the reasons why they do what they do.

The moment you make her feel UNCOMFORTABLE, then she’ll try her best to alleviate that feeling by getting rid of you. So, if you draw attention to yourself and approach her, this might make her feel uncomfortable with the unexpected gush of emotions and attention she gets, and it will only get harder for you to continue that interaction.

Let me ask you this…

Are you guilty of the things I mentioned above?

Let me suggest this…

Make it a goal to improve on one of your weak points each week.

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Scot McKay (https://www.plimus.com/jsp/redirect.jsp?contractId=1709894&referrer=Clif...):
(Commenting on the article by Jason King that appeared in the last Cliff's List email.)

Quote: "she was probably 19, and I'm 32"

...or else she was really about 15 and *looked* 19...LOL. As Charles Barkley says on that T-Mobile commercial, "That's why I don't eat shrimp".

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Seduction Maestro:
(Commenting on the article by Jason King that appeared in the last Cliff's List email.)

> My guess was that the girl
> lost interest (and respect) when I didn't say something to her
> after we first locked eyes, and that my touching her as I walked by
> made her uncomfortable enough to mention it to her father.

Brushing up against girls instead of talking to them is not a good idea. I've never tried it, but I don't see how brushing up against her before you approach is going to help you when talking to her would do just fine. If you had talked to her instead, the worst that would have happened is her father/brother saying something like, "I know she looks 19, but she's actually 16. We're trying to watch the game, if you'll excuse us."

I'm not sure that many 19 year old girls are going to be watching a game with their fathers and brothers. If she was 19 or over, they probably wouldn't have had a problem with you talking to her. Staring at her on the way up, and brushing against her on the way down, is a different story.

(Commenting on the article by IceDragon that appeared in the last Cliff's List email.)

> However, if you take the time to analyze your results and you find routines are
> only working for you sporadically, then I suggest a more natural,
> balanced, and holistic approach to seduction.

People aren't pigeons, and girl's emotions aren't levers. Anything you do is a routine, whether you make it "natural" or canned. After all, I'm certain you're not advising rubbing up against a chick's leg like an australopithecine. The whole English language is "canned."

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Frank B Kermit (www.franktalks.com):

But What If She Has A Boyfriend?

This topic comes up a lot, so I decided to write a post devoted ONLY to this.

For the purposes of this post, I am not going to look at situations where a woman is engaged or married.

If the girl has a boyfriend, should you STILL go after her and try to get her?

I think the answer depends on the following circumstances.

1-What do you want her for? An ONS, an ongoing fling, or a potential life partner all come with different dynamics (see my inner game material for details.)

2-Who is the other guy? Is he someone you know? Is he someone that could have influence over a part of your life?

3-Are you prepared for the consequences? You can choose your actions, but not the consequences of those actions.

Now then,

What do you want her for? This is where you start the thinking process. You already know that you want her. Good start. But to what extent do you want her? Based on what you actually know (not what you think you know…is she worthy of having a One Night Stand with you? Hopefully the answer to that is yes. Otherwise she certainly would not qualify for any other type of relationship with you in the hierarchy of relationships.

This will be important to determine, because when we get to part 3 (the consequences) it will help you judge if it is worth it.

Usually, most guys don't know WHERE in their hierarchy a particular woman would stand. All they get distracted by is M.E.N. # 10a Notice how all the men's magazines cater to this 1/3 of an emotional need? Men really can be their own worst enemies.

When getting to know a woman, before you worry about her having a boyfriend, factor in what you want from her FIRST. This means getting to know her REGARDLESS of the relationship she is in. Get it?

So if you approach a woman that has a boyfriend, you still have an obligation to pursue getting to know her, even if she tells you that she intends to be faithful to him. This does not mean fucking her, or wrecking her relationship. You need to find out how she matches up to your criteria for the category of woman you are looking for to see if she is even worth it. If she is not worth it, then fucking her or wrecking her relationship is a waste of your time.

Who is the guy?

It is very rare to have solid friends in the world. Of everyone you know, intimately or not, how many of them would you consider solid trustworthy friends? My guess is not very many.

For this reason, I made it a rule NOT to pursue the women of men that have acted like good friends to me. For example, I was getting very close to this one woman and had the chance to be with her sexually. I turned it down. Her boyfriend was a good friend to me when my father passed away, and out of respect for that, I did not take a chance with her when I could. This is just a personal rule. You as a man must figure out to what extent you are willing to take it. In my view, I want to encourage other men to be good friends to me, thus I eliminate the reasons that would turn a good friend into an enemy.

If the girl is going out with a friend of yours, and he has either been a bad friend to you, or even an acquaintance but without solid friendship, this may completely change the dynamic. How do you as a man define a friend? How much does a man have to prove himself to you for you to consider him a friend or a potential friend? Is he someone that perhaps is not currently a friend YET that has the potential to be a very solid friend to you in the future? Those things factor in too. They must.

Now, if he is someone you don't know, do you have an obligation to leave his girlfriend alone? What about your obligation to yourself to pursue getting to know her? How can these balance? They do not. You both want the same thing: her (theoretically at least. You still have to figure out part 1 of this.) Unless they are in an open relationship of some sort, and even if they are, if you want the same level of relationship with her as he has (primary and above) you've got a problem.

My philosophy is that you still must get to know her to decide part 1, so this issue of not knowing him is moot UNTIL you decide what you want from her. Once you decide that, if you do not know him, then pursue.

Lastly, if the guy is someone that has a particular influence over your life, you really need to carry your thinking further. Is he your boss? Is he a violent criminal? Could your relationship with her affect you in ways that could threaten your life? I once had really great rapport with a woman I met in my old neighborhood. Things were progressing nicely, until I found out that the man she was trying to leave was associated with organized crime. She started to tell me how her husband would attack some of her lovers, but that she kept going back to him...thanks but no thanks. I am a seducer, not a sex addict, and I can find better than this.

Now, when you have decided what you want from her, and then you have dealt with who the guy is, if you are still ready to pursue her, comes the final stage of the thinking process to judge of it is worth it.

What are the consequences?

Here we look at all those things that are related to your personal belief systems, your emotional reactions, and all the pros and cons that can come of this decision.

If you do manage to steal her away, or just fuck her behind his back, what trust issues will you develop with her personally? What trust issues will you develop with women in general?

You must remember that not all women cheat, only the ones that you would get cheat. Think of it this way:

A PUA goes to a club and only hits on young hot looking drunk chicks whose ability to value keeping their word is low...but those are the ONLY girls he hits on. He will form the opinion that all women cheat, because of the type of women he targets.

In the same way...

An emotionally damaged woman seeks out relationships with men that are drug addicts and abusers. Thus she will assume that ALL men are like that too.

Here is where it gets fucked up:

A person will be attracted to the familiar over time (anchoring) which means that eventually, all the positive feelings from the sex, et al, will a make a person be attracted to those type of people. Like the woman that can only be attracted to an abuser, as she has been programmed to interpret those behaviors as addressing her ENs, so too will a PUA be attracted to the type of woman that cannot give him what he needs for a long term relationship.

This is why the categories of women are SO important for men.

Here is another angle....

Think of the roots of any prejudice against race. Usually, they come from either a person's upbringing, or a particular series of experiences. In the case of particular experiences, let's say a kid of one race/religion grew up in an area that was dominated by another race/religion. Now let's also say that the kid was treated badly and tortured by the larger group for being different. The kid will form a hatred (read: misogyny) for that entire group based on the actions of a subset of that group. The principle applies to specializing in women that cheat.

Statistics say that relationships that form from deception (of any grand length of time) end in break up/divorce twice as often as those relationships that start on more honest grounds. A big part of that is because relationships that start off as deceit carry the deceit as part of what made the dynamic address emotional needs (albeit temporarily.) Once the relationship comes into its own, and the deceit is removed, so are all the satisfied emotional needs that the deceit-infused part of the relationship addressed. Unless those emotional needs can remain satisfied in other means, the relationship will be doomed.

I should have been clearer. Let's say you JUST started to date her. She sees your value and dumps the other guy so as not to cheat on him. This means that she would not cheat on you, but instead would break up with you first IF she could find someone better. (If you are a master of Frank B. Kermit material, that is unlikely.) But, if she keeps it going (thus turning it into an affair) then she will repeat those patterns of behavior with you even if you get her to leave her boyfriend in the future.

In terms of you two being together, if you are together sexually while she is with him THEN that is a red flag. If you have to work to get her to give him up...it's a red flag for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

What are your moral issues with being with a girl who has a boyfriend? Do you believe in karma? Are you the type of person to feel guilt? How will this affect your ability to function in your relationship with her and in the rest of your life?

If you are looking for anything less than an exclusive girlfriend, her having a boyfriend might not be a tough a consideration for you, as the intention is not to wreck their relationship (although one of the consequences is that it could end their relationship, whether you intended it or not.)

If you are looking for something in the primary or marriage categories, then the morality factors will surely come in.

Could your involvement get you beat up or even killed? If she is a stripper and some biker's "property"...

SOCIAL CONSEQUENCES

Will you lose your social circles going after, getting, and keeping this girl?

Some social circles will not want you around if they assume that their own relationships are threatened by your behavior. It has nothing to do with who you are and aren't attracted to. It only has to do with what they perceive as your pattern of behavior. Would I let a guy hang out with me and my wife, when I know the guy likes to bang married women? No. Do I care that he does not find my wife attractive? No. Because I know that in time, part of what attracts a person that seeks out cheaters is not the other person, but the situation. These things include the forbidden, wanting something you cannot have, wanting something that someone else does not want you to have, etc...

All the women that I have ever met that would regularly seek out married men would lose interest in those men if and when those same men became available. The above explains why.

Be sure that your pursuit will not hurt your social circles, if your social circles are more important to you than sex or a relationship with the woman that has a boyfriend.

The Frank B Kermit H.O.P.s (How To Proceed) Of Wisdom

In conclusion, one of the ways to handle such a delicate, but common situation is to get to know her, and if things progress, wait to see if SHE leaves the boyfriend on her own accord without you pressuring her. THIS more than anything else, in my experience, is the telling sign.

Is she breaks it off with him to date you THEN you know that she will commit the same behavior with you. If she does not break it off with him, then you know that she would commit THAT same behavior of being unfaithful to you.

A relationship where both people are addressing each other's and their own emotional needs will not be broken. Those that you got to cheat were not in healthy relationships. There is nothing I can teach you to break up something that does not merit being broken. You can only break what already has cracks in its foundation. A healthy relationship is not something you are going to break even with the best seduction skills. If this is your lifestyle, you will have to focus on women in unhealthy relationships. However, the consequence is that over time, if this is your focus, those will be the only type of women you will master seducing. If you are comfortable with those consequences, then stick with it.

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E.:

I would like to ask you for some advice. For the last four months, I've been working at a female clothing store. I'm actually a supervisor. Now I developed my own routines with girls at my prior job that always seemed to work. But I tended to stay in my own head, which would screw things up later on. Long story short, I felt kind of fake. I would rather develop the lifestyle than become some weird creepy actor/scientist when it comes to women. Not that I have anything against trying stuff out in the field, but I like remembering that there's a person behind the hot face, tits, and ass.
Recently I've decided to become a social animal again. I think the key to my success lies there. Staying home sucks ass, and there's really nothing like being comfortable around men and women on top of being comfortable being you. I've been practicing body language, and ways to change my mental states when I'm feeling shitty. Since I work with 4 to 8 girls at a time (on top of 1 to 50 female customers,) I feel like I can REALLY improve my relationships and outlook on women.
In the past 4 months, I've realized that men and women are really the same! Aside from sex quirks and few emotional traits, I don't think there's much of a difference. What makes it so hard is that we want to fuck them. Throw in some life long drama and limiting beliefs and you've literally thrown in the towel before you really get started. If you or the other "pickup artists" have any advice for me, I would really love to hear it. NO MATTER WHAT, I'm gonna reach my goals, but perhaps your advice can help speed up the process, or sharpen the focus of where I want to go.
As a side note though, do looks matter if you're a good looking guy? I've been pretty insecure my whole life, and I just realized recently that people find me really attractive physically. It was kinda like, "Really? Are you sure?" Like sometimes at work, when I ask a girl if she needs help, it kinda looks like she's scared. I don't know if it's because I'm coming across as creepy, or if it's because she thinks I'm attractive.

Clifford's Comments:

Firstly, lately there have been a few guys writing me asking for my advice. The emails seemed pretty interesting so I decided to ask the writers if they minded me posting the exchanges we had (we don't need to post any identifying information, like the city someone lives in, the girl's name, where something happened, etc. we only need the circumstances - in fact the details almost distract from focusing on the issues.) Now these are only my opinions and I don't teach pick up, seduction or relationship issues - I consider giving my opinions the same as anyone else you might ask for an opinion or advice, but it's not to be construed as professional counselling. What I really wanted to say here, though, is that anyone reading this who feels they have their own advice to give should feel free to email me with their thoughts so we can help those who are asking for it.

Here are my comments to E:

I am not really clear as to what advice you are asking for - it sounds like you have a pretty good handle on things. The big suggestion I can give you is to watch how you behave with your guy friends and do the exact same with women - like you say, because we want to fuck them we end up acting slightly different (if not a lot different) than we do with our guy friends. If you can be the same way you are with guys (who you'd never let take advantage of you or play you without a proper response, and who you talk to without only thinking about what fun you can have with them - I use fun instead of sex to give you the example of what you do differently with guys from women.)

Looks help you to convince yourself that you have value and should treat yourself that way. If you don't have the looks, you have to act like you do. But if you have them, then it's easier because you don't have to convince yourself that you are good looking. You should tell yourself all the time that 'she thinks I'm attractive' whether she does or doesn't. Keep telling yourself this and act like you believe it until you do believe it (but don't act egotistical about it) and women will believe it. One thing I learned from taking a few acting classes was that if you believe it, the audience will believe it - if you don't think you are the character you are playing in a play, no one will think you are a good actor. Here you are just trying to be yourself, but a self that is sure of yourself.

As for staying out of your own head, here's something I wrote recently commenting to someone else:

(Two guys made some comments that I quote below first, and then you see my comments)

"You can't 'always' stay positive...You've gotta feed your shadow dude..."

"...being positive is a good thing, but don't neglect your fears and inhibitions...confront them and address them."

While it is true that you can't always control your thoughts and be positive all the time, my experience is that you should take the attitude that you are positive all the time and push aside constantly all your fears and inhibitions. Just don't give those negative thoughts any permission to be there - do anything but make sure you skip over them or replace them with positive thoughts. The more you do this, the more the negative self talk will diminish over time because it isn't given the opportunity to manifest in your psyche. Consider it unrealistic if you want, but do it anyway. Just don't allow yourself to think negatively, no matter what. Be realistic and practical about what you have to do, but don't let your mind sit on any negativity. Keep pounding your thoughts with positive ideas and statements, go see a movie to change your mood. Just don't give in to those times when you are down - try and ignore them, skip past them, and soon you will see that the gaps between those moments when you are down and when you are thinking and feeling great will start to disappear, and your thinking will eventually be continually positive. The negative self-talk will eventually shrink (though it may take a long time, each person will have their own experience) and you will wonder how you ever thought such things before.

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Steve Taylor (a.k.a. Lifeguard):

Social Energy

Do you notice the guys at bars or parties who always seem to know everyone, who have little trouble networking and making friends?

This is someone with Social Energy.

Social Energy is a synergistic force that comes from using a myriad of social outlets to build comfort within yourself in all social environments, from an outgoing personality, and momentum to increase your social circles.

Men are typically more apt to possess a singular social mentality: having one best friend, going to the same bar week after week, pursuing one woman, or trying one social activity at a time.

Women, the "social butterflies," will have multiple best friends (male and female), and participate in a variety of social activities so they can "be seen." Women also like to organize social events, and be the ones to choose who attends and who gets left off the list.

This is not an article on men vs. women in the social department, but there is something to learn from a woman's Social Energy. Try adding or increasing frequency in the following areas to up your Social Energy Quotient (SEQ.) Add a point for each time you do the following. Add up your SEQ for that week:

1. Going out to a bar, club, party or any evening social activity (1 point for each night)

2. Going to a gym or health club (1 point for each day of the week you go)

3. Family gatherings

4. Dates

5. Having an online account with Myspace, Facebook etc

6. Belonging to a hobby club that meets regularly

7. Going out to lunch at a restaurant with friends or colleagues

8. Vacation or trips

9. Having a party

10. Going to sporting events

I think you get the idea. Feel free to add your own to the list. Each time to get yourself out of the house or apartment, and interact with people, not just women, you are increasing your Social Energy. Even working outside the home or doing your own shopping will help.

The more varied your social activities, the more it will help you to socialize with all different kinds of people. Some guys are so used to just hanging with their buddies and busting balls that they get into other social environments and feel awkward.

The key is to socialize and talk to people when you are at these activities. You have the excuse to be out of the house, now you need to engage people and talk to them. You don't need any fancy "openers;" try something situational. You already have something in common by virtue of being at the same place, and/or having common interests.

Anxiety is fear of the unknown. Social Energy is a great equalizer and destroyer of Social Anxiety. Increase your SEQ and you will gradually eradicate your social anxiety.

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IceDragon (www.alphainteractions.com)

IceDragon's Two Week Challenge

Balancing the game with your life means making the game an integral part of your day to day routine, and integrating it with the various parts which make up the individual you, so that there is no transition. Transition is not necessary, as you're totally accepting of and completely congruent with who and what you are.

I would strongly advise against being 'Saturday night gamers.' By that, I mean walking around with your head down during the week, and putting on your 'PUA' persona on the weekend. That is neither congruent nor natural. No wonder some guys have problems with gaming, and can't understand why.

I'm not advising guys to become social robots, or obsessive game freaks. Instead I'm going to suggest something that will make a big difference in your success rate, so that by the time the weekend comes, and it's time to go clubbing, you've already number-closed 10 girls that week (it will happen!) What I’m going to suggest goes way beyond gaming.

TWO THINGS TO DO BEFORE GOING TO BED AT NIGHT

1. Compile a list of 10 things you want to do by the end of the following day. If you do them, your sense of achievement the following night will astonish you.

2. Think of 10 affirmations relevant to you, and read them out loud.

TEN THINGS TO DO BEFORE LEAVING YOUR HOUSE IN THE MORNING

Ok, second step. Be sure you do the following 10 things every day.

1. Shower & shave
2. Brush & floss
3. Use deodorant and fragrance
4. Choose your clothes carefully. Don't just throw anything on.
5. Have breakfast (VERY important)
6. Do some diaphragmatic breathing exercises to focus your mind.
7. Do some vocal projection exercises.
8. Read your 10 affirmations aloud.
9. Stretch your body!
10. Read over the to do list you made last night

Leave your house earlier than you usually would to account for any delays en route. If you start your day in a calm, relaxing manner, the rest of the day will be fantastic, and that will spill over into the following day, and so forth.

Make a point of smiling and making eye contact with everyone you see. Not only with HBs, but UGs, guys, everyone. This is crucial!

Walk with an upright posture and with your head up. Think of your favorite song as you’re walking down the street. According to Anthony Robbins, your posture and demeanor sets your mood.

Talk to as many people as you can. Tell them jokes, funny stories, ask them how they are. Whatever you can think of. Try to talk to 10 strangers a day. That’s not a lot.

Do not deliberately try to find HBs to game. They will find you, I promise. They will be attracted to your energy and what you put out into the world. The vibes you give out will be totally different from any other guy they will meet.

If you do these things for two weeks, you will see an amazing difference. Two weeks is the time it takes for any changes to take effect. Naturally, as the weeks and months progress, your results will begin to snowball and accumulate, and you won’t be able to recognize what things were like before. You will begin to attract nice things into your life: HBs, friends, success, happiness. Whatever you give out to the world, that’s what you attract.

Do this two week exercise and report back on the results!

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MINI-ANNOUNCEMENTS (includes promos of new sites, podcasts, events, products, etc.)

See the on-line version of this email at www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for more details about many of the following - once on the "Letter" page on the website, scroll down to the Promo section where you will see the Maxi-Announcements.

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NEW PROMOS:

Ross Jeffries’ Speed Seduction® Starter Kit

The Starter Kit is a collection of Ross Jeffries’ teachings and ideas, combined into a powerhouse download pack consisting of seven (7) audio CDs and six (6) PDFs action-packed with Speed Seduction wisdom. His teachings tend to attract guys who already have a life; they have worked hard, built a career (or are working hard toward it) and enjoyed some measure of success in life. But they just haven't been able to figure out how to succeed with women. They've thought to themselves, "There's got to be a better way!" And now there is!

These techniques can be used by any guy, regardless of his experience, time or budget, so forget about alleged "dating secrets" that require you to be good looking or lay out the cash. You’ll learn how to direct your language not only to get women hot and horny, but to communicate persuasively with folks in all walks of life. You can use your newfound knowledge to find ONE special girl, or get lots of amazing women. But best of all, it’s the only training backed solidly by an unconditional 90 day "3 women or you pay nothing" guarantee!

So take a moment and click on the link below to find out more about this incredible offer: http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/?af=555036&u=www.speedseduction.biz/pro...

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Joseph Matthews (http://cliffslist.secretfile.hop.clickbank.net):
Check out the Secret Seduction Files, and it's all about women teaching guys how to pick them up!
Joseph Matthews, the guy who runs the site, tracks down a new girl every month and picks her brain about all her experiences with men, love, dating, sex, you name it. Then, he breaks it down and explains to you what she REALLY means!
On the site, you'll learn things like:

* The real reason why women try and “block” you with their friends (answer: it’s not the reason you’d think!)
* The one thing all women consistently look for in a man that drives them wild with attraction (and it has nothing to do with how you look!)
* The real things that women pay attention to when you approach them, and how you can have COMPLETE control over it!
* The best places to meet women, and how – step by step – to go about meeting them there (this comes DIRECTLY from women too!).
* The “lines” women hear all the time and why you should avoid them like the plague!
* Insider knowledge of what to look for to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, if a girl is into you or not.
* The secrets of women who are “serial internet daters” and how to use online dating sites to get more chicks than you can handle.
* Hear the “horror stories” of men who’ve done the completely wrong thing to impress a woman, and how YOU can learn from their mistakes!
* The real reason why women “flake” on guys, why they give out fake numbers, and why they won’t call a guy back – even if they like him!
* The secrets of picking up women at bars and clubs, from party girls who love those venues.
* The key to long-lasting relationships – how to start them, and how to maintain them.
* How to impress a girl, right away, before you even talk to her.
* The real reason why women cheat on a guy, and how to avoid being the guy she cheats on!
* The shocking truth as to why women leave their boyfriends for other men.
* How to figure out what each girl is looking for in a guy she’s willing to sleep with, and then make it happen!
* And much, much more...

Seriously, you won't find information like this ANYWHERE else on the internet! And Joseph is updating the site every month with a new interview with a new girl.
In fact, if you go to this website right now: http://cliffslist.secretfile.hop.clickbank.net

You can download one of these interviews for FREE and see for yourself how amazing this information is.

Check it out right now, and learn the secrets of attraction women know that men don't!

Gun:

Gunwitch here I wanted to let you and your subscribers know that I have recently launched my new audio course Way Of Gun.
As many of you know I have been in the community a long time, been in Neils book, met up with known guys, and written a lot of articles and methods. This new course is 5 audio discs that lay out the collective sum of everything I personally use int he game in a format that makes it something you learn, rather than just listen to and can't use. While the methods themselves are the summit of over a decade in the game, the really powerful thing about the new course is the way it is put down in a real teaching format, so the game IS transferable to you step by step.
You can check it out at www.wayofgun.com. Complete with free audio samples and an email link to my old free original Gunwitch method from 2001, the one that started it all.

Zack:

I've been talking to a friend of mine who's literally the best guy I know for escalating from approaching to sex with a woman in a few hours.

He's also the guy who introduced "Natural Game" to the pickup community several years ago.

I'm telling you. If you haven't heard of Vin DiCarlo, this guy's a machine when it comes to meeting and attracting women.

You've probably seen guys who are successful with women using all kinds of different methods.

Vin discovered that almost any of these methods can work as long as you know how to THINK about attraction.

Anyway, he's put all his best ideas into a new book called The Attraction Code and I'm telling you - it's like NOTHING else out there.

He's only launching the book to a private list but because Vin's a friend of mine I was able to get access for you!

But there's one catch...

You need to register for this VIP interest list as soon as possible because I don't know how long the page will be up there for.

Take a moment and click on the link below to find out more about The Attraction Code: http://vindicarlo.infusionsoft.com/go/ac/Clifford

PS: Vin's giving away some free content to everyone who signs up on the list so if you're even THINKING about checking it out. Do it now.

Sebastian (www.1shoppingcart.com/app/?af=610359):

DEATH to the Notion of “Be Laid Back and Unattached”

Sebastian here. I taught practically nonstop for eight hours straight on Sunday. It was ridiculous, and wonderful. One thing I said was: “If there’s even a 10% chance that persisting will work, GO FOR IT.” Why? Because any girl that likes you and wants to see you will LOVE you persisting if you do it in a high value way.

I touch on this stuff in some upcoming Master the Vibe audio that’s coming out, that you can read a preview about here: www.1shoppingcart.com/app/?af=610359

People loved the presentation. I was thrilled. And I got this question via email:

“If you recognize the window of opportunity I think its great to push forwards, but don’t you risk not being viewed as laid back, unattached, and a guy with options? It also seems like you’re chasing which innately blocks her from chasing you. Finally, if she says no she’s setting up a tone for more "No" 's in the future, ruining any pattern of her being in complete agreement with you and that this rejection affects your value relative to hers.

I like what you said. I just need the holes plugged or more specific examples so I’m not misusing this and so I can identify what the signs of a 10% chance are.

The presentation was awesome. Heads and shoulders above (name withheld), the last presenter. I learned some drastically different views than I do in most same old rehashed seduction seminars. Thanks again.”

Well I do appreciate the kind words, and I’ve got to put something to bed right now.

A lot of guys who’ve never had a really rowdy, crazy successful social circle aren’t exactly sure how the highest status crews act. So they guess, and they think… well, guys that get lots of girls are probably super chilled out about it… they probably don’t get too pushy or persistent… if a girl says she’s not going to come to an afterparty, really cool guys probably don’t care after just inviting once…

WRONG! WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

See, I didn’t always have friends in the top 1% with girls, and I certainly wasn’t there when I started. So I didn’t get how the highest status guys act, and how women are used to being treated.

Elite guys are EXTREMELY persistent when they’ve got something good to offer a girl. If you’ve ever seen a crew of really cool guys and really attractive girls leave a nightclub to go to their cars, they’re BIG on saying “C’mon, let’s go, PARTY!” and they INSIST that everyone comes with them.

About her setting the tone for more “No’s” in the future… if she likes you, and you persist in a high status way, she’ll be flattered and your status actually goes UP. The time to back off is when she says, “No really, today is impossible, can we meet on xyz day instead?” When she’s suggesting legit options, you flush those out and go from there. Just beware of the worst possible word she can say to you…

“Sorry”

“Sorry” is the interaction slipping away from you.

Sorry is the worst thing you can hear from a woman.

Once she starts apologizing, you’re in BAD shape, so cut that off immediately.

My favorite: “Don’t say sorry – In fact, I’m sorry if you can’t make it. That’s terrible, we won’t get to enjoy ourselves, connect more… I’m really sorry, you’re not sorry.”

-> Then keep persisting. When a girl likes me and the reason she can’t continue an interaction isn’t a big deal (work in the morning, lame plans already made, etc) I push hard in a high status way, asking oftentimes 8-12 times.

I’ve seen plenty of interactions turn around between the 8th time I ask and 12th – and so have clients and friends. Maybe my favorite was when I met this beautiful recruiting executive on a train and I pushed, and pushed, and pushed for her to meet – but she kept saying she couldn’t, since she had coworkers and friends staying right next door to her in the hotel.

I kept persisting – and eventually she actually called one of her coworkers to ask if she thinks it’d be possible – to which the coworker IMMEDIATELY shut it down, of course.

So we part company, and I go out on the town with a friend, but it’s a dead night. Eventually, I get back at 2AM and I’ve got a flight home the next day. As I’m getting ready for bed, I’ve got images of this beautiful brunette recruiting girl in a deadly, sexy business suit in my head, and I pick up my cell and call her.

“Hey, it’s Sebastian,” I start, and continue, “… Are you feeling lonely?”

She says yes. I say I am too, and ask which room at the hotel she’s in. She tells me, and 30 minutes later I’m there. We both got no sleep and I was absolutely wrecked trying to get to the airport the next day – but man, was it worth it.

So I called her up, at 2AM, and asked in a high status way, “Are you lonely?” Do I seem laid back, unattached, like I have lots of options? Maybe not. But I got the girl.

Don’t worry about seeming like you don’t have options – women respect men who take what they want, and communicate what they like. Any girl that really likes you will be flattered that you’re being so persistent – and it’s going to work a hell of a lot of the time, too.

Sebastian Drake
Sebastian puts out live audio on meeting and dating the women of your dreams. Check out more information here: www.1shoppingcart.com/app/?af=610359

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MINI-ANNOUNCEMENTS (includes promos of new sites, podcasts, events, products, etc.)
See the on-line version of this email at http://www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for more details about many of the following - once on the "Letter" page on the website, scroll down to the Promo section where you will see the Maxi-Announcements.

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- Zan Perrion has just launched his new Natural Game forum at www.naturalgame.com. A quote from Zan on the philosophy of the new forum: "It is time for change. I truly believe there is a next level of interaction between men and women that wants to be created on this earth. A Seduction Community 2.0, in a sense. We have hit the boundaries of what it is possible to explore. Like the early adventurers, crafting rickety canoes and rafts with tenuous sails, we have ventured out into the unknown sea and gone as far as these early vessels could take us. To explore further, to discover new lands, to be true treasure hunters, we need faster and better ships... This is the essence of natural game..."

- Suzy Bauer will be finally opening the doors to the Threesome PUA Secret Society and she has done a really sensual video tour of the "virtual lodge" of the Secret Society and you really gotta see it! As the Secret Society is opening on Jan 31st, she's running an "Early Bird" special and by simply trying the Secret Society Membership for 30 days she's giving away a truck load of expensive gifts for free! www.suzybauer.com/

- Mark J. Ryan, The Seduction King, and John Overdurf are giving away one of their greatest products, Mind Power for Life. This is an amazing process that Mark has used very successfully while teaching and coaching men to overcome fear and attain their goals with women. It's a very simple process, easy to implement, and it will change your life overnight. It's completely FREE; they're not even asking for email addresses. Go to www.MindPowerforFree.com and empower yourself now! Here is a great audio that is an hour and 20 minutes long about the psychology of strippers. Specifically, this audio describes how strippers are brainwashed, how brainwashing is used to get girls to dance, and how they are taught to brainwash you into giving them all your money. One of the participants in this podcast has written and amazing book about how to make $100,000 a year as a strip club DJ. You won't want to miss this interview by The Seduction King, Mark Ryan. Check out his link: www.stripclubdj101.com/?

- Payton Kane has revised his new powerhouse website and has his spectacular new Home Study Course available: www.seduceandconquer.com/

- David Wygant has a number of products available, including his Men's Audio Mastery Series (a complete 8 volume set), his book for men, Date to Win, his Girls Tell All Audio Series, one on Pickups and one on Secrets of Sex, his book Meet Someone Today, his audio product What's Your Excuse, and his original signature book Always Talk to Strangers. More info at: www.davidwygant.com/

- Curly Toe: Would you like to test your pick-up skills online ? Find out how much you have really learned from the community. Discover your strength/weakness. The tests on CurlyToe's new website are educational and entertaining. Check it out at: www.pickuptest.com

- Captain Jack has a couple of new products out, check these out:
1) The Warrior-King Society: Freedom, Money, Sex and Power Crush Previous Income Levels, Recapture Lost Sexual Vigor and Health, Rediscover Your Innate Masculine Instincts and Drive So You Can Dominate Your World and Become King of Your Own Ideal Life --Like You were Destined To... Captain Jack's Warrior King Society: www.thewarriorkingsociety.com/
2) Captain Jack's Six Week eCoaching Program for Discovering How to Sexualize Your Game, Blast Through Sticking Points and Build a Social Circle in Just 42 Days www.betheseducer.com/

- The Pickup Podcast with AJ and Jordan continues to bring you the best free audio content in the community on a weekly basis and includes interviews with all the big names from Lance Mason to Ross Jeffries and even Neil Strauss. Check it out at pickuppodcast.com

- Scot McKay has just launched the VIRTUOSITY series, featuring over two-dozen of the most respected names in men's attraction and seduction advice. With six full sections, the amount of sheer value in Scot's new program challenges any advanced series ever produced. Best of all, Scot's character-based approach is very evident throughout. VIRTUOSITY deserves serious consideration by any man who is through with trickery and quick-fixes and is ready to deserve the highest echelon of women on Earth. Full coverage of online dating that rivals stand-alone products elsewhere is one of the many pluses, and even 1-on-1 time with Scot is included. This is a groundbreaking release which is sure to raise the bar. Check it out at: deservewhatyouwant.com/virtuosity/special/ You can also get his flagship ebook product Deserve What You Want here: http://deservewhatyouwant.com/ebook/

- Gabrielle Moore has prepared an eye-opening video about the G-Spot orgasm. Gabrielle is the author of the now-famous book "The Female Orgasm Revealed". And now Gabrielle decided to take her intimate advice to the next level. You´ll be impressed (just as I was!) To watch the video now, go to: www.thegspotcode.com/afvideo.html

- Jorj has some interesting products available including the "Attraction Magnet" (more details in the full Promo section which is below, only on the website) www.magicalmindpower.com/lovepower.htm

- Johnny Soporno (www.TheWorthyPlayboyInstitute.com), a major hit at the 2006 Cliff's List Convention, is now offering boot camps, his new book, and some extensive free downloads. For more details, check out the full promo below (if you are reading this in an email, it's on the online verstion of this at http://www.cliffslist.com).

- Carlos Xuma has just released a very unique and special new program: Power Social Skills: Social Dynamics. This CD set will give you "X-ray" vision - to see past the surface of any social interaction and instantly know what each person is doing. You'll learn how to spot the games people play and defuse them - AND you'll be able to get to deeper connection with people. Go read his special report here: www.powersocialskills.com/

- PUATraining have a video showing a 2 minute day-time KISS CLOSE. It's an unbelievable video. They have that and 25 more in the free to access PUATrainingvault (www.puatraining.com/). To help others gain that unbreakable confidence, they have recently released an instant MP3 download called Approaching Confidence. Check it out here (www.puatraining.com/confidence).

- Magnus of Bristol Lair fame has written a book on Emotional Freedom Technique, with a PUA supplement on improving your Inner Game. The free videos on his site take you through how to use the techniques to reduce your approach anxiety and feel good in the field. There's also an hour-long seminar explaining how the technique works. www.innergametapping.com/

- Magnus: My buddy Sheriff is running a 30 day challenge for guys, with a $1,000 top prize. All you've got to do is keep an online journal, and go out every night. Free to enter, and should super-charge your game. www.growyourgame.com/

- Would you know if she was FAKING IT? Learn to blow her mind every time and set yourself apart from any other guy she has ever been with before. Subscribe to Alex Allman's FREE Newsletter and get hundreds of FREE tips and techniques that will have her bragging to her friends about your skills. www.revolutionarysex.com/

- The Joseph W. South Show! Relationship Mastery. Joseph's Rant on Love, Sex, Relationships... and the Business of Life! josephwentsouth.com

- Prof's Seduction Blog is all about Attraction and Pick Up, The life and learnings of a pick up artist. Seduction, dating, and the art of attraction. Meet women of exceptional beauty. www.seduction-blog.com

- Marius Panzarella: This link goes to a special page with the download link for a free ebook and also a discount offer that is only available to readers of Cliff's List. www.datebeautifulwomen.com/ezine.html

- Savoy: www.lovesystems.com/blogs has my blog, Sinn’s blog, Captain Jack’s blog, Tenmagnet’s blog, etc…a lot of talent. And www.lovesystems.com/publications has a free publications library.

- Any girl deserves a chance to be presented with a choice... and we sometimes need to forgive and forget the people who made us create negative assumptions about the new women we meet...www.NoNonSenseLife.com - It's written in both English and Spanish

- How to attract women Naturally! Check out Cameron Teone’s Building Attraction Secrets. What makes this book any different or unique to other books? The fact that it makes a perfect symbiosis between inner game and outer game on the one hand, and the theoretical and practical on the other hand as well as implementing the very important concepts of lifestyle and masculinity in a very practical manner that will change your life forever. Check it out at www.attractwomenanywhere.com/ebook.html

- ACE is a specialist in the art of charisma and teaches workshops. Email acepua@gmail.com to arrange a place.

- Jake Rockford: How to separate the men from the boys: Finally there is an "all-in-one" toolbox for ultimate success for today's Urban Renaissance Man. Whether you want natural And simple ways To meet, attract, and date The women Who Are Right For YOU, learn how to get a kick-butt, no-nonsense workout in as little as four minutes while saying 'Goodbye' to health club fees, or master ancient and powerful tantric secrets of multiple orgasm for both you AND her, "The Dangerous Book" has it all! All this plus a goldmine of games, puzzles, bar bets, and impromptu magic tricks for fun and fascination anywhere, anytime and time-tested tools to build focus, intention, and creativity... The Dangerous Book is here to help you be your absolute best! www.thedangerousbook.net/Check_it_out.html

- Lucas J. West : You can sign up for my email list at www.LucasWest.com. The second or third email you'll get gives you a direct link to everything I've put out over the past year. I recommend reading the Rapport Report and the Path of Least Resistance as your major starting points (they're both free). As for Demonic Confidence, that's at www.DemonicConfidence.com. Guys can contact Lucas if they already have decided they want a Skype hypnosis session with a reputable professional by sending him an email at lucas@lucaswest.com.

- New product release: "The Naturally Magnetic Male Conditioning System." Are you interested in developing a high level of charisma and personal magnetism that will help you in EVERY area of your life? The 15 clear cut steps use progressive conditioning, the best charisma techniques and traits of naturals to bring out the magnetic male already living within you. http://puahelpdesk.com/

- Lisa Lloyd offers "The Only Real Lesbian Seduction Guide For Men" which she claims will give you a head start on other men when dating. The guide reveals dating methods from a lesbian perspective, as "a fascinating insight into a woman's mind/body and she answers questions such as "Why can't women say no to other women?" www.lesbian-seduction-guide.com/

- Attract and Date has released the new Home Study Course: 10 students filmed on a Workshop where everyone had, at least, a date from the street. Great quality of picture and sound! Everyone is wired with audio and action is totally realistic. You get to see their shining successes and big failures also. See and HEAR for the first time students like a 40 year old scientist that never approached on the street with Sharks "I like you" and getting fantastic results! Go to www.AttractAndDate.com to see 50 screen shots from the DVD Course. Get inspired!

- Frank B Kermit (www.lulu.com/content/1585762): Brother Kermit has just published I'm A Man, That's My Job: The Philosophy of a Seducer, A Complete Inner Game Workbook. Here is the link: www.lulu.com/content/875062 You can buy it for $49.95 US. It has all the lists, plus more. The rules of relationships The base life philosophies AND A description of the 10 stages of development from Loser to Seducer to Natural. This book also has charts to track your development. Are you curious as to what goes on at lair meetings? Well, we can not tell you the details, but I can share this with you: We do Emotional Needs Analysis as a group. What is an ENA (Emotional Needs Analysis)? You are given a situation, based on a real experience, and then do an analysis of that situation applying Frank B Kermit's 10 emotional needs of women theories. It was developed as part of the Bring Up the Skill Levels of All Newbies Program. If you were banned from a lair, or if you want to learn seduction, but do not want to be identified by other students of the art, you can still get the lair experience. Just check out this 120+ preview: www.lulu.com/browse/preview.php?fCID=1585762 Go through it. Check it out. See if you got the understanding of men-women dynamics to figure out the answer. I hope you learn something.

- Art, the well know day game master, has been with Pickup community since 2002 and has just started Pick Up Future, a site that will hold predictions about the future of the pickup community, and which direction community is heading. Did you know that Pickup is becoming an industry? Did you know that Style Life training was ahead of Mystery Method in visitors? Do you know what will happen in 2008 for pickup community? If you would like to know answers to this and many more other question, and see what future holds for pick up artists, then go to www.PickUpFuture.com. He also has just launched his new site, centered around educating men on seduction in 1on1 carefully individualized coaching packages. Available only in NYC: www.NewYorkDatingCoach.com

- Most dating "gurus" talk about inner game, but fall far short in actually providing you with practical solutions for solving your inner game issues. With his Hypnotica's program, "Ultimate Inner Game", you can transform your mind and emotions in just days! www.ultimateinnergame.com/

- DiClassified DRILLS! Vin DiCarlo of DiCarlo DiClassified has released his new drill-based training, which boasts a total of 36+ real time drills specifically designed for pick-up training. Drills based-training develops your game in a way that is systematic, effective, personalized, natural and best of all, fun! The curriculum can be found at www.vindicarlo.com/drills

- Thundercat's Art of Approaching is available here: www.artofapproaching.com/

- Want to master your sex life? Male escort and liv e s ex performer NathanX leads a team of male and female s ex instructors in their intensive and popular workshop "Sexual Mastery for Men". They teach what 99.9% of guys do not know and will never know. Where PUA skills end, sexual mastery skills begin. PUA skills enable you to get the girl. Sexual and relationship management enables you to keep her in the sort of relationships you want. Workshops also include a live demonstration of techniques! What they teach at MYSL is the real deal. No one else in the world is teaching what they teach. Free videos, audios and blog. www.masteryoursexlife.com/products/volume1/

- Doc, a featured speaker at both the 2005 & 2006 Cliff's List Conventions, is holding seminars. For more info go to his new site at www.TrueLifeSkills.com.

- Cardinal has released The Cardinal Flight Plan (CFP) Ebook soon. Go to Seductiontech.com and sign-up for his newsletter, and be sure to watch your email.

- In the Toronto area Christiano has been teaching men to work from their inner game to outer game in a way that is congruent to their identity. Most see results after being taught the skills in the workshop immediately. Find out more by visiting: bestnaturalgame.com.

- Ron Louis & David Copeland have put out a new ebook "How to be the Bad Boy Women Love." Find out more at howtosucceedwithwomen.com/htg/

- New Book/Audio release: "Park Bench Dating." Are you currently meeting women in the day time? Do you know how easy it is to get a quality number in a few minutes, just as you go through your day? Written by Art, an NYC dating coach, who came from PUA community and turned pure natural. Covered by The New York Times and ABC Television, his methods of meeting in the day time are so effective simply because they are so easy to use everyday. www.ParkBenchDating.com

- Uncle Ruckus has started a new YouTube show called "The Nice Guy Show" and he'd like for you to watch. You can also visit his home page at www.adviceonwomen.com. He plugs Cliff's List on a recent one, too!

- Society "Of Cool" - Description of Group: Simple: This place is for all of you dudes and chicks who are rad cool and want to step their game up in life with wealth building(money) and relationship building (women/men). Living a healthy lifestyle is considered "cool" as well.. This place is ONLY FOR COOL PEOPLE. If you are a beta male, chump, nerd, loser, you are getting your a$$ banned! Visit this Link: www.spiritual-seduction.com/phpBB2/index.php?c=1

- Gigi has just launched a new website: www.puaratings.com PUA Ratings evolves around a rating system for PUA products, where you can rate and write your own reviews about your favorite (and not so favorite) seduction products or boot camps, and read what others have to say about them, before you make a purchase. The site also features a 'PUA Comparison Engine', a tool that will become more and more viable as more reviews enter the system. There's also a forum and a live chat where live events will be hosted. So make your opinion count - sharpen your keyboards and start writing reviews!

- Rion Williams: Join my brand new 'Natural Game Dating' mailing list and newsletter at www.naturalgamedating.com There's no cost and it's now my primary mailing list. It's got the most relevant and advanced behavioral science based on experience and results so that you can become much more of a true natural and a powerful, confident man with women.

- Herbal, one of the characters made famous by The Game, has finally released an ebook after taking some time away from the community. He also offers a free 10 Day E-Mail Bootcamp." For more information, visit www.makeherchaseyou.com/

- How to be an all-around cooler person - completely free, practical advice for guys on social skills, getting along with people, and getting your act together - all written by a recovered loser. Not everyone will need to read the material here, but take a look if you think you could benefit from improving your people skills before diving into the seduction game. Feel free to check it out at www.howtobecooler.com

- LayGuide was the original inspiration for Neil Strauss to write "The Game" and is still the most thorough and continually updated collection of the best dating, attraction and seduction tips in the world: www.layguide.com/

- In The Game by Neil Strauss, "TwoTimer" is talked about as one of the top players. His more commonly known handle is IN10SE, and his "Octoberman Sequence" has been whispered about and become a LEGEND in the on-line Pickup artist community. It's rumored to give a woman ULTIMATE pleasure and you ULTIMATE control - in as little as 15 minutes! Only the BEST of the BEST know it. Check it out here: www.octoberman.com/